Shtf

[Perianne]

Is anyone here into preparing for SHTF and would like to discuss topics related to it?

[aboutime]

Perianne. Actually...the SHTF the day Obama was elected by the Perpetually Dumb, Stupid, and Easily Led.

[Abbey Marie]

I'm not a prepper, but I do have some small stores of water and food in case of power outages, for whatever reason. Hurricane, earthquake, man-made disaster, anything.
I do want to get a gun before Delaware says we can't.

Is the fan getting hit soon? I am WAGing (wild-*ss guessing) within the next 5 years. Anyone old enough to watch the towers fall, is probably going to understand.

[Gunny]

I'm not a prepper, but I do have some small stores of water and food in case of power outages, for whatever reason. Hurricane, earthquake, man-made disaster, anything.
I do want to get a gun before Delaware says we can't.

Is the fan getting hit soon? I am WAGing (wild-*ss guessing) within the next 5 years. Anyone old enough to watch the towers fall, is probably going to understand.

I'm taking mine from the enemy. :gunner4:

[Abbey Marie]

I'm taking mine from the enemy. :gunner4:


Hey, don't forget, you, Nightrain, Sassy, and Kathianne and I are going to hunker down together to fight the good fight, right?

I have NO idea what I can contribute, but take me anyway, k?

[Gunny]

Hey, don't forget, you, Nightrain, Sassy, and Kathianne and I are going to hunker down together to fight the good fight, right?

I have NO idea what I can contribute, but take me anyway, k?

Of course I'll bring you along, Abs. Just don't get in the way. Everybody's good at something and my bite is cold-blooded ruthless compared to my bark. Won't be any prisoners.

[LongTermGuy]

​I feel many of us have been Prepared for awhile now...Thinking ahead type deal... :)

(water...food...."energy"...ammo....medical...and many of the needful little things)

[gabosaurus]

What the heck is shtf?
I have always had the same plans for imminent nuclear destruction survival. My first plan is to take my family and move to New Zealand. If that is not feasible, then it is time for search and destroy. Meaning search for someone with a well built and stocked shelter and destroy them.

[LongTermGuy]

What the heck is shtf?
I have always had the same plans for imminent nuclear destruction survival. My first plan is to take my family and move to New Zealand. If that is not feasible, then it is time for search and destroy. Meaning search for someone with a well built and stocked shelter and destroy them.

http://prepforshtf.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Beginner-Prepper-Tips.jpg

http://globalresearchreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/5-Ways-To-Keep-People-Off-Your-Doorstep-When-SHTF.jpg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

​I feel many of us have been Prepared for awhile now...Thinking ahead type deal... :)

(water...food...."energy"...ammo....medical...and many of the needful little things)

Got mine primed.
Lets see- Guns, more guns, knives, Ammo, water , ammo, food, more ammo, medical supplies ,lots more ammo
energy bars and flour, sugar and reloading supplies, and more ammo!
Yep fairly well set. Ok, this weekend, buying some more ammo. ;)-Tyr

[NightTrain]

We'll be headed up to the cabin in a bad situation... got lots of guns, ammo & food already there.


Something everyone should have is this 6-gallon bucket of freeze dried food, 330 meals. Shelf life of 20 years! $150 on Amazon.

http://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B005A15YUU/ref=smi_ge_sr_btnr1_setch?auiDebug=0&ie=UTF8&isAUI=1&keywords=freeze%20dried%20food%20bucket&pageType=Detail&path=%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2FB005A15YUU&qid=1445310135&queryParams=keywords%3Dfreeze%2520dried%2520food%2 520bucket%26qid%3D1445310135%26ref_%3Dsr_1_2%26sr% 3D8-2&redirect=true&referrer=&sr=8-2&subPageType=Glance&x=39&y=8&pldnNewCustomer=1

[NightTrain]

Got mine primed.
Lets see- Guns, more guns, knives, Ammo, water , ammo, food, more ammo, medical supplies ,lots more ammo
energy bars and flour, sugar and reloading supplies, and more ammo!
Yep fairly well set. Ok, this weekend, buying some more ammo. ;)-Tyr


Stop fooling around and buy some ammo.

[Gunny]

What the heck is shtf?
I have always had the same plans for imminent nuclear destruction survival. My first plan is to take my family and move to New Zealand. If that is not feasible, then it is time for search and destroy. Meaning search for someone with a well built and stocked shelter and destroy them.

If your ability to survive is in any way related to your mouth, you might as well just play France and surrender immediately.

Your idea of "search and destroy" and mine have WAY different meanings. What you lefties refuse to realize is us rednecks negotiate with hardware. The hardware y'all want to take from us. You don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[LongTermGuy]

Got mine primed.
Lets see- Guns, more guns, knives, Ammo, water , ammo, food, more ammo, medical supplies ,lots more ammo
energy bars and flour, sugar and reloading supplies, and more ammo!
Yep fairly well set. Ok, this weekend, buying some more ammo. ;)-Tyr


​Its coming...In One form or ...another....

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[Gunny]

​Its coming...In One form or ...another....

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He forgot to put TP on the list. You got girls around, they can waste that crap faster than the rate of fire from a crew-served weapon.:laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Stop fooling around and buy some ammo.

GONNA DO MY FRIEND.
To truly fight one needs bullets and lots of 'em...
Nothing says "drop dead" like hot pieces of lead cruising along at hyper-sonic speed. :beer: :beer:

Gun , no ammo = fancy club... -Tyr

[Drummond]

​Its coming...In One form or ...another....

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https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/16/b5/d9/16b5d90f7a1462ec71cfc59202e76a25.jpg

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Interesting that most of these pictures have a British origin ... Harry Potter, of course, and then there's the man searching a skip somewhere in London (it has to be London, as that's an Inner London telephone number on the side of it ... & AJ Pain is a skip hire firm, located in Bermondsey, SE15 ..).

Anyway, I don't think the Brits would have the 'luxury' of any sort of post-'SHTF' preparations. If a nuclear war broke out, and even one moderately-sized nuke was detonated anywhere in Britain .. we'd probably all be dead within days from the fallout, as the UK is so small compared to the US.

If it was a social disorder breakdown .. well, almost all of us don't have guns ! Also, we'd never survive without importing food in large quantities, so much of the population would have to die just from starvation. We're also more clustered in cities than you are (I think) .. so disease would spread rapidly. Food, water, would run out quickly if transportations of it (or piped supplies) stopped. Add to that the emergence of the true Muslim nature, and any terrorism they might all 'revert' to.

No, serious breakdown in social order would probably kill nearly all of us. A nuclear war definitely would. No useful plans could be drawn up of the 'survivalist' brand .. at all.

[revelarts]

I suppose people are more concerned about an economic collapse, and the after math.
That's definitely a real option at this point. But The S---- been Hitting The Fan in dribs and drabs for over decades years now concerning our liberties.

there was a time just a few years ago when people thought that the gov't spying on everyone was LAUGHABLE.
But now people say, "well of course they are spying on everyone we all knew that" http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/images/smilies/rolleye0011.gif yeah right.
there was time when we thought that the president couldn't detain people without due process.
that day is gone.
there was time hen people thought the president couldn't kill people without due process
that day is gone.
there was time when a president had to get permission to use troops... then past a certain date.
that day is gone.
there was a time when the national guard was under the direct command of the governors not the President.
that day is gone.
there was time when people weren't forced to marry or help celebrate a homosexual marriage or suffer loss of your biz/job or fines or jail.
that day is gone.
there was a time where you could travel by air, train, bus and car without police and pseudo-police searching your luggage, your vehicle, your person, and asking you your destination and for "your papers" /ID.
that day is gone.
and there's more i haven't mentioned and more of the same on the way it seems.

the founders saw gov't actions like the above as tyrannical and thought that the S had HTF and it was time for more drastic measures. (after they had petitioned, remonstrated, demonstrated, protested etc)
the Quakers thought the same earlier in Europe and many hopped a boat to get out of the country.

today we're like the frogs in the pot slowing getting cooked waiting for some point where it SUDDENLY gets too hot, then it's time to jump. But some folks even defend or demand the rise in temperature because they think it's OK for OTHERS to be cooked and imagine it's for their safety and not for them too.

[CSM]

I suppose people are more concerned about an economic collapse, and the after math.
That's definitely a real option at this point. But The S---- been Hitting The Fan in dribs and drabs for over decades years now concerning our liberties.

there was a time just a few years ago when people thought that the gov't spying on everyone was LAUGHABLE.
But now people say, "well of course they are spying on everyone we all knew that" http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/images/smilies/rolleye0011.gif yeah right.
there was time when we thought that the president couldn't detain people without due process.
that day is gone.
there was time hen people thought the president couldn't kill people without due process
that day is gone.
there was time when a president had to get permission to use troops... then past a certain date.
that day is gone.
there was a time when the national guard was under the direct command of the governors not the President.
that day is gone.
there was time when people weren't forced to marry or help celebrate a homosexual marriage or suffer loss of your biz/job or fines or jail.
that day is gone.
there was a time where you could travel by air, train, bus and car without police and pseudo-police searching your luggage, your vehicle, your person, and asking you your destination and for "your papers" /ID.
that day is gone.
and there's more i haven't mentioned and more of the same on the way it seems.

the founders saw gov't actions like the above as tyrannical and thought that the S had HTF and it was time for more drastic measures. (after they had petitioned, remonstrated, demonstrated, protested etc)
the Quakers thought the same earlier in Europe and many hopped a boat to get out of the country.

today we're like the frogs in the pot slowing getting cooked waiting for some point where it SUDDENLY gets too hot, then it's time to jump. But some folks even defend or demand the rise in temperature because they think it's OK for OTHERS to be cooked and imagine it's for their safety and not for them too.

Yep. Now we have presidential candidates and other politicians declaring that among their serious enemies are members of an opposing political party, veterans, and just plain folks who oppose their personal views. When those who govern consider the governed their enemies, that nation is in serious trouble.

[DLT]

Is anyone here into preparing for SHTF and would like to discuss topics related to it?

It's real simple. Keep, at the very minimum, a 3-month stock of food and supplies on hand for a natural disaster.....which should cover even an unnatural disaster.

My biggest fear (currently) is the EMP hype. It would only (supposedly) take one nuke set off at the correct altitude to (supposedly) knock out all of the grid nation-wide. Now, I find that hard to believe....but nevertheless, I try to stay stocked up on pet food and people food, water, etc., to provide for about three months....in case of an electric grid failure due to whatever.

A suitcase bomb nuked city where I live is another fear. I've seen the dismal movies and I don't think I would want to survive that. But the problem exists that people DO survive such disasters, whether they want to or not. So where do you go from there?

The most probable scenario at this point in our deliberate destruction....is that the economy will finally and completely collapse (it can't go on this way forever, after all). How do you prepare for that? You stock up on food the same way, keep cash and coin on hand, keep guns & ammo on hand and ready...because other people that did NOT make any preparations WILL try to take anything you have away from you....and pray. Pray a lot!

This generation (my generation) has had it too damned easy for far too long now. Our 'day' is coming. Our trials have yet to begin. But when it does come, I am betting it will be a doozy.

[DLT]

I'm not a prepper, but I do have some small stores of water and food in case of power outages, for whatever reason. Hurricane, earthquake, man-made disaster, anything.
I do want to get a gun before Delaware says we can't.

Is the fan getting hit soon? I am WAGing (wild-*ss guessing) within the next 5 years. Anyone old enough to watch the towers fall, is probably going to understand.


Our economy is being propped up by the Feds currently. If and when they finally decide that they just can't do that any more...or that it just isn't working....(which will, of course, be as soon as any Republican gets into the WH)....our actual misery will then begin. Oh sure, the current ''real" Misery Index is already dismal, but once the Feds raise interest rates up to where they should have been all along....our collective, national misery will be off the scale.

The current Misery Index (http://www.miseryindex.us/)is based upon the regular unemployment rate (ie not the U6 figure, which is calculated figuring in the millions (94?) of Americans not working or that have given up even looking for a job in the Obamanation) and the BS inflation rate (http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2010/12/16/government-inflation-numbers-are-bogus/)...

http://dailyreckoning.com/files/2010/12/DRUS12-15-10-3.gif

(which somehow never seems to include the skyrocketing cost of food or fuel...or anything else that is going up and up...since supposedly there IS no inflation). Bogus as hell, IOW.

[DLT]

What the heck is shtf?
I have always had the same plans for imminent nuclear destruction survival. My first plan is to take my family and move to New Zealand. If that is not feasible, then it is time for search and destroy. Meaning search for someone with a well built and stocked shelter and destroy them.

Wait....if you're a typical anti-gun-ownership leftie....what are you gonna use to destroy them with? Grand intentions? Harsh language??? :laugh:

True story....my ex-bf asked his son (now 32) in Houston, TX what plans, if any, that he had for himself, his wife and his 8-yr old son, should TSHTF. Now keep in mind that this "kid" doesn't own a car because he's afraid to drive (his Hispanic mother wussed him out at an early age even making him too afraid to ride a damned bicycle). And same with his wife re: not driving, and he owns no weapons of any kind. His reply was "We're going to Canada". Seriously, you can't make this shit up! LOL!!!

The delusional left amazes and astounds me, even now.

[Gunny]

Wait....if you're a typical anti-gun-ownership leftie....what are you gonna use to destroy them with? Grand intentions? Harsh language??? :laugh:

True story....my ex-bf asked his son (now 32) in Houston, TX what plans, if any, that he had for himself, his wife and his 8-yr old son, should TSHTF. Now keep in mind that this "kid" doesn't own a car because he's afraid to drive (his Hispanic mother wussed him out at an early age even making him too afraid to ride a damned bicycle). And same with his wife re: not driving, and he owns no weapons of any kind. His reply was "We're going to Canada". Seriously, you can't make this shit up! LOL!!!

The delusional left amazes and astounds me, even now.

Pretty much covers their gameplan.

[DLT]

http://prepforshtf.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Beginner-Prepper-Tips.jpg

http://globalresearchreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/5-Ways-To-Keep-People-Off-Your-Doorstep-When-SHTF.jpg

LOL! That's a graphic I haven't seen previously. Drag the body in....hehe.

Or, like in Fargo, take em to your butchershop where you work (conveeenient) and grind em up!

[DLT]

Pretty much covers their gameplan.

Reality never sinks in to the left, does it. No gun, no car/transporation....but they "think" they will somehow make it, unscathed, all the way to Canada....and that, after a natural disaster, nuclear attack or any other major fubar....Canadian border would be wide open (as it has never been before) to all of the US (and Mexican, and Central American, and South American, etc.) refugees. Riiiight!

My ex's son needs to get an adult-size clue. He needs to put on his big boy pants and start acting and planning like a grownup.

[DLT]

He forgot to put TP on the list. You got girls around, they can waste that crap faster than the rate of fire from a crew-served weapon.:laugh:

Assuming the water is cut off due to a disaster and that you have to use a DIY latrine, you could always stock up on newspaper and use that. Of course, everyone will end up with black asses. Small price to pay for cheap TP...lol.

[DLT]

Interesting that most of these pictures have a British origin ... Harry Potter, of course, and then there's the man searching a skip somewhere in London (it has to be London, as that's an Inner London telephone number on the side of it ... & AJ Pain is a skip hire firm, located in Bermondsey, SE15 ..).

Anyway, I don't think the Brits would have the 'luxury' of any sort of post-'SHTF' preparations. If a nuclear war broke out, and even one moderately-sized nuke was detonated anywhere in Britain .. we'd probably all be dead within days from the fallout, as the UK is so small compared to the US.

If it was a social disorder breakdown .. well, almost all of us don't have guns ! Also, we'd never survive without importing food in large quantities, so much of the population would have to die just from starvation. We're also more clustered in cities than you are (I think) .. so disease would spread rapidly. Food, water, would run out quickly if transportations of it (or piped supplies) stopped. Add to that the emergence of the true Muslim nature, and any terrorism they might all 'revert' to.

No, serious breakdown in social order would probably kill nearly all of us. A nuclear war definitely would. No useful plans could be drawn up of the 'survivalist' brand .. at all.

If it was just an EMP attack, destroying the electric grid, you would still have to have some effective weapon at your disposal to keep others from stealing what you have and killing you for S&Gs in the process.

If I lived in the UK, I would have a gun (or three) and plenty of ammo at my disposal just for such emergencies. I would also have enough food stored for a few months, at least. Laws that are enacted that put you or your family in more danger during national emergencies are tyrannical, and should be opposed, if not completely ignored. Nobody has the right to put you in danger that they cannot protect you from. But that's just me.

[Gunny]

Assuming the water is cut off due to a disaster and that you have to use a DIY latrine, you could always stock up on newspaper and use that. Of course, everyone will end up with black asses. Small price to pay for cheap TP...lol.

We're getting too far into THIS. :laugh: People (at least Southerners) used to use corn shucks. As a Marine, I'm pretty adept at a DIY latrine. Give me cammies, a K-bar and a poncho liner and I'll survive. Oh yeah, I already have those. :laugh:

[Drummond]

If it was just an EMP attack, destroying the electric grid, you would still have to have some effective weapon at your disposal to keep others from stealing what you have and killing you for S&Gs in the process.

If I lived in the UK, I would have a gun (or three) and plenty of ammo at my disposal just for such emergencies. I would also have enough food stored for a few months, at least. Laws that are enacted that put you or your family in more danger during national emergencies are tyrannical, and should be opposed, if not completely ignored. Nobody has the right to put you in danger that they cannot protect you from. But that's just me.

I think it was Channel 4, about a year ago, who dreamed up what they call a 'mockumentary' (a mock-up of a documentary) of what would happen in the case of a cyber-attack against our National Grid system. The proposal was that our electricity supplies would cease for just one week. In that time, we were shown, on a day-by-day basis, how society would utterly collapse in that time .. supermarkets raided for food, people becoming increasingly savage as the reality of their situation slowly sunk in.

It ended with the power coming back on, just after a desperate father and husband had killed someone holed up in one of those supermarkets, just so that he could get access to a couple of tins of food ... this after one home, equipped with its own emergency generator, had been attacked by the entire neighbourhood ...

If you were in the UK and had a gun (or three), you'd have most probably obtained them illegally, from crooks (not an easy thing to do, especially undetected). You'd have had no other way of obtaining them .. as you'd have had no way of justifying to our authorities any 'need' to be armed with them, and of course, if you were suspected of owning them, you'd be subject to possible arrest. If you had stores of food, and anyone suspected you of having that, you'd be attacked immediately, and with precious little way of defending yourself other than with kitchen knives ...

My guess is that law and order would be nonexistent in the UK. In a society where ALL control comes from the State, this would place extreme pressure on our authorities to maintain order. I think any national emergency would quickly overwhelm them, and the only way to exercise any would be to go to draconian extremes. Quite possibly the biggest single threat to people WOULD be our authorities .. !!

[Gunny]

I think it was Channel 4, about a year ago, who dreamed up what they call a 'mockumentary' (a mock-up of a documentary) of what would happen in the case of a cyber-attack against our National Grid system. The proposal was that our electricity supplies would cease for just one week. In that time, we were shown, on a day-by-day basis, how society would utterly collapse in that time .. supermarkets raided for food, people becoming increasingly savage as the reality of their situation slowly sunk in.

It ended with the power coming back on, just after a desperate father and husband had killed someone holed up in one of those supermarkets, just so that he could get access to a couple of tins of food ... this after one home, equipped with its own emergency generator, had been attacked by the entire neighbourhood ...

If you were in the UK and had a gun (or three), you'd have most probably obtained them illegally, from crooks (not an easy thing to do, especially undetected). You'd have had no other way of obtaining them .. as you'd have had no way of justifying to our authorities any 'need' to be armed with them, and of course, if you were suspected of owning them, you'd be subject to possible arrest. If you had stores of food, and anyone suspected you of having that, you'd be attacked immediately, and with precious little way of defending yourself other than with kitchen knives ...

My guess is that law and order would be nonexistent in the UK. In a society where ALL control comes from the State, this would place extreme pressure on our authorities to maintain order. I think any national emergency would quickly overwhelm them, and the only way to exercise any would be to go to draconian extremes. Quite possibly the biggest single threat to people WOULD be our authorities .. !!

Two-pronged attack. Hit the energy grid AND the water source.

[Drummond]

Two-pronged attack. Hit the energy grid AND the water source.

... aaarrghhhh !!!!

[Drummond]

Two-pronged attack. Hit the energy grid AND the water source.

Three pronged attack. Do all that, AND keep the BBC on the air ..... ! :uhoh::uhoh:

[Gunny]

... aaarrghhhh !!!!

Everybody's good at something. I'm a machine when it comes to strategy and tactics and I don't half-ass at anything. I think it's weird but I finally just got over it. I see everything like a computer screen. I can over-analyze a cat peeing in the littler box.

I trust no one, don't let them get within arm's distance of me, and watch them like a hawk and I'm always calculating who and what anyone around me is capable of. As I said, I just gave up trying to figure it out. It's who I am.

[CSM]

Everybody's good at something. I'm a machine when it comes to strategy and tactics and I don't half-ass at anything. I think it's weird but I finally just got over it. I see everything like a computer screen. I can over-analyze a cat peeing in the littler box.

I trust no one, don't let them get within arm's distance of me, and watch them like a hawk and I'm always calculating who and what anyone around me is capable of. As I said, I just gave up trying to figure it out. It's who I am.

Gunny, I have no doubt that in such circumstances being described herein, some of us old sheepdogs just might be able to survive. Military experience gathered while sitting behind a desk in the rear is NOT the same as field and combat experience. Some of us can make do just fine with just a poncho liner, good knife and cammies. Add a firearm of any type and a bit of ammo and some of us would end up as the local grand pubba!

[Gunny]

Gunny, I have no doubt that in such circumstances being described herein, some of us old sheepdogs just might be able to survive. Military experience gathered while sitting behind a desk in the rear is NOT the same as field and combat experience. Some of us can make do just fine with just a poncho liner, good knife and cammies. Add a firearm of any type and a bit of ammo and some of us would end up as the local grand pubba!

I keep saying they should let us old NCO's run these goofy wars, SgtMaj. They'd already be over.

[gabosaurus]

Not being up on the "end of times" vernacular, my daughter had to tell me that shtf stands for "shit hits the fan.":tinfoil:

My primary concern for shtf would be shelter. How would you make your shelter safe from intruders? Would it be above ground or below? If your shelter was below ground, how would you handle ventilation and air filtration?
Once in a shelter, I would be concerned with the effects of extreme isolation and having to co-exist with the same people 24/7. With not much to do and nowhere to go, tempers would grow extremely thin. Disputes would become increasingly more difficult to resolve.
Your food and water might last for years. How long could you last?

[Abbey Marie]

Not being up on the "end of times" vernacular, my daughter had to tell me that shtf stands for "shit hits the fan.":tinfoil:

My primary concern for shtf would be shelter. How would you make your shelter safe from intruders? Would it be above ground or below? If your shelter was below ground, how would you handle ventilation and air filtration?
Once in a shelter, I would be concerned with the effects of extreme isolation and having to co-exist with the same people 24/7. With not much to do and nowhere to go, tempers would grow extremely thin. Disputes would become increasingly more difficult to resolve.
Your food and water might last for years. How long could you last?


I expect at some point, women would become a commodity. Kinda like they are in the ME right now.

[Gunny]

Not being up on the "end of times" vernacular, my daughter had to tell me that shtf stands for "shit hits the fan.":tinfoil:

My primary concern for shtf would be shelter. How would you make your shelter safe from intruders? Would it be above ground or below? If your shelter was below ground, how would you handle ventilation and air filtration?
Once in a shelter, I would be concerned with the effects of extreme isolation and having to co-exist with the same people 24/7. With not much to do and nowhere to go, tempers would grow extremely thin. Disputes would become increasingly more difficult to resolve.
Your food and water might last for years. How long could you last?

See? You got wrong already, Ms Lefty. Your primary concern is food. THEN shelter. You're worried about crap that doesn't matter in survival mode. You work together as a team to survive or you don't survive.

Problem is, people like YOU. I can survive off the land for however long I have left. Drag along dumb civilian leftwingers waiting on you to do everything is what gets you killed. You lefties take a lot for granted but it wasn't YOUR weak butts that built this country.

[aboutime]

See? You got wrong already, Ms Lefty. Your primary concern is food. THEN shelter. You're worried about crap that doesn't matter in survival mode. You work together as a team to survive or you don't survive.

Problem is, people like YOU. I can survive off the land for however long I have left. Drag along dumb civilian leftwingers waiting on you to do everything is what gets you killed. You lefties take a lot for granted but it wasn't YOUR weak butts that built this country.


Gunny. What will all of the lefty Government Dependents do when the checks stop, the stamps no longer work, and the FREE stuff everyone else has been paying for....STOPS?

When that happens. The YOU KNOW WHAT WILL HIT THE WESTINGHOUSE (so to speak) AKA "S.H.T.F.":laugh:

That day can't be far off, and most of us will be laughing while defending ourselves from the IDIOTS.

[Gunny]

Gunny. What will all of the lefty Government Dependents do when the checks stop, the stamps no longer work, and the FREE stuff everyone else has been paying for....STOPS?

When that happens. The YOU KNOW WHAT WILL HIT THE WESTINGHOUSE (so to speak) AKA "S.H.T.F.":laugh:

That day can't be far off, and most of us will be laughing while defending ourselves from the IDIOTS.

They'll die. Or get someone that CAN survive killed.

[Gunny]

GONNA DO MY FRIEND.
To truly fight one needs bullets and lots of 'em...
Nothing says "drop dead" like hot pieces of lead cruising along at hyper-sonic speed. :beer: :beer:

Gun , no ammo = fancy club... -Tyr

Y'all ain't thinking this through. Gun=noise. Attracts attention. Depends on WHO your enemy is. A blade or a bow are better weapons. They don't make noise. Cover and concealment are your best weapons. And using that thing between your ears.

If it's an enemy from without, you take HIS weapon and HIS ammo. Then you can start collecting from his buddies. The gun store isn't going to be open for you to replenish your supply of American rounds.

[LongTermGuy]

GONNA DO MY FRIEND.
To truly fight one needs bullets and lots of 'em...
Nothing says "drop dead" like hot pieces of lead cruising along at hyper-sonic speed. :beer: :beer:

Gun , no ammo = fancy club... -Tyr



Understand your drift...Guns and ammo are good....but then there are "other" situations..where one wants more Stealth....(But I know what you mean brother and you understand what I mean):laugh:

[gabosaurus]

See? You got wrong already, Ms Lefty. Your primary concern is food. THEN shelter. You're worried about crap that doesn't matter in survival mode. You work together as a team to survive or you don't survive.

Problem is, people like YOU. I can survive off the land for however long I have left. Drag along dumb civilian leftwingers waiting on you to do everything is what gets you killed. You lefties take a lot for granted but it wasn't YOUR weak butts that built this country.

Sorry, dear, but you misunderstood me. My shtf would involve a nuclear holocaust or some form of invasion. "Living off the land" would not be an option. There would be very little land to live off of. If your shelter contains food, then that covers both needs.
Still looking for someone to intelligently answer my inquiry. If that is possible on this board.

[Gunny]

Sorry, dear, but you misunderstood me. My shtf would involve a nuclear holocaust or some form of invasion. "Living off the land" would not be an option. There would be very little land to live off of. If your shelter contains food, then that covers both needs.
Still looking for someone to intelligently answer my inquiry. If that is possible on this board.

I don't misunderstand a thing and you should stick to topics you already don't know about. NOW. let's play Marine.

I get incinerated in a nuclear hit I guess I'm dead.

An invasion on the other hand? I can live off the land and I can make invaders "go away".

What you're looking for ins't an intelligent answer. You're looking for the answer you want. Well I got news for you, the Leftwingnut God from Hell ain't swooping in to save you. You won't have food. You won't have running water. You won't have shelter. Sheeple like YOU will either be dead or in a concentration camp.

I'm heading for the hills and most rednecks I know will too. Come get us.

The true fact is we will implode from within because of people like YOU before anyone will EVER take this country. So maybe you ought to readjust your lack of intelligence looking for someone to give you a losing answer.

[revelarts]

I keep saying they should let us old NCO's run these goofy wars, SgtMaj. They'd already be over.

You talk as if you think the leaders meant for the wars to be won.

[NightTrain]

Meaning search for someone with a well built and stocked shelter and destroy them.


Hahahaha! Somehow missed this before.

So, as a rabid anti-gun liberal who relies on the Gubbermint to provide you solutions to all of life's hardships, how do you intend to invade and take a shelter from someone who obviously is well armed, prepared and waiting for you? The family/group with the shelter has clearly given the entire scenario a great deal of thought and rehearsed & refined plans of action. One of the first orders of business is defense when selecting a shelter.

Do you intend on engaging in singing Kumbaya with some swaying until they surrender? Maybe read a couple of rebuttals prepared by a "high school student" on your behalf?

While I admit that reading your "student's" rebuttal was painful on an intellectual level, it sure as hell would not prompt anyone to abandon a defensible shelter! :laugh:

[Gunny]

You talk as if you think the leaders meant for the wars to be won.

And you speak out your backside. NCO's don't do politics. We accomplish missions. And we lead to win and bring everyone home. Why do think WE are the most frustrated of all over this Middle East crap? And all this Monday morning QB-ing what we do crap?

There are leaders, and your rulers.

[aboutime]

Hahahaha! Somehow missed this before.

So, as a rabid anti-gun liberal who relies on the Gubbermint to provide you solutions to all of life's hardships, how do you intend to invade and take a shelter from someone who obviously is well armed, prepared and waiting for you? The family/group with the shelter has clearly given the entire scenario a great deal of thought and rehearsed & refined plans of action. One of the first orders of business is defense when selecting a shelter.

Do you intend on engaging in singing Kumbaya with some swaying until they surrender? Maybe read a couple of rebuttals prepared by a "high school student" on your behalf?

While I admit that reading your "student's" rebuttal was painful on an intellectual level, it sure as hell would not prompt anyone to abandon a defensible shelter! :laugh:



NT. Gabby will never learn how her money, fame, and lack of knowledge will eventually bring her demise.
The so-called Elite's, and Rich who brag about how much they have..finally will end up with NOTHING in the end. Then wonder how being so smart made them SO DUMB.:laugh:

[gabosaurus]

An invasion on the other hand? I can live off the land and I can make invaders "go away".

What you're looking for ins't an intelligent answer. You're looking for the answer you want. Well I got news for you, the Leftwingnut God from Hell ain't swooping in to save you. You won't have food. You won't have running water. You won't have shelter. Sheeple like YOU will either be dead or in a concentration camp.


You vastly overestimate your elderly self. You are far from your glory days. Your powers of thought and concentration have vastly diminished. Your quick temper could cause you to make a potentially fatal mistake.
Marine veteran Gunny could live off the land and I can make invaders "go away". Former Marine Gunny is much more vulnerable.

[gabosaurus]

So, as a rabid anti-gun liberal who relies on the Gubbermint to provide you solutions to all of life's hardships, how do you intend to invade and take a shelter from someone who obviously is well armed, prepared and waiting for you? The family/group with the shelter has clearly given the entire scenario a great deal of thought and rehearsed & refined plans of action. One of the first orders of business is defense when selecting a shelter.

This is why I asked about the location of your shelter and your ventilation system. If I can find and compromise your air supply system, what chance will you have?