Tamir Rice - Tough Sh*t

[Gunny]

You go waving a gun at cops, you get what you get. You take that red muzzle tab off that identifies the weapon as an airsoft, you get shot.

[Motown]

I saw the video of this shooting and I don't think the cops did the right thing here. The video isn't great but it seems to show one of the cops shooting the kid before the car even stopped. That's not right.

[jimnyc]

I think it will be found to be a good shooting. Read an article just a little while ago where 2 outside folks stated he was in the OK, as the call came in as a guy with a gun being waved around and folks in danger. I think it's a tragedy, but tragedies happen when kids do dumb things. Fake guns ain't no joke these days, especially if you go into a public setting.

[Gunny]

I saw the video of this shooting and I don't think the cops did the right thing here. The video isn't great but it seems to show one of the cops shooting the kid before the car even stopped. That's not right.

Those cops want to go home at the end of the day.

[Motown]

Here's a video of the shooting. It's not great but it's about the best quality I could find. The actual video starts at 1:01 and goes for a few seconds. The rest of it is some guy talking about the video, I recommend skipping that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoVRZBdivDc

That happened way too fast for my liking.

[indago]

You go waving a gun at cops, you get what you get. You take that red muzzle tab off that identifies the weapon as an airsoft, you get shot.

Point out where it is declared that Tamir Rice was "waving a gun at cops".

[Perianne]

You go waving a gun at cops, you get what you get. You take that red muzzle tab off that identifies the weapon as an airsoft, you get shot.

I wonder why he took the red muzzle off the gun?

[Gunny]

Point out where it is declared that Tamir Rice was "waving a gun at cops".

Trick question? A threat is a threat. I heard this story in Iraq. Marine shot a guy moving his hand under a blanket and everyone went apeshit. Tough shit. I got an M-4 aimed at your head you best not be acting stupid. I had two little girls at home I wanted to see again.

I don't need a declaration. Try getting off your mouth-running ass and put yourself in the position. You're extremely judgmental of first responders. Ever been one? I can answer THAT for you ... NO. You wouldn't talk the shit you do. You're a Monday morning quarterback. Want to judge everyone after the fact.

Get your lame ass out and do something THEN get back to me. Otherwise, you're just a little mouth-breathing bitch to me.

You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. When I was a kid, toy guns looked like toys. You want all this realistic looking crap? You're taking your chances. I ain't waiting to see if you got a toy or are going to blow a hole through my chest. SO who do you blame here? YOUR over-indulgent whiny ass society that gives kids this crap? Or the person that just wants to go home at night?

[Perianne]

I had two little girls at home I wanted to see again.


Those little girls have stolen your heart, you big bad man!!! I think it is sweet.

[Gunny]

Those little girls have stolen your heart, you big bad man!!! I think it is sweet.

Republican Guard didn't have enough people to keep me from getting home. My youngest learned to walk and talk without me.

[indago]

Gunny: "You go waving a gun at cops, you get what you get."

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by indago http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=769672#post769672)
Point out where it is declared that Tamir Rice was "waving a gun at cops".


Trick question? A threat is a threat... (and other and sundry aberrations, ramifications, fixations, lamentations, hallucinations, and incantations)

So, what you are saying is you can't find anywhere "that Tamir Rice was "waving a gun at cops"." Why am I not surprised? You come out with all this sheer http://mockforums.net/images/smilies/26oct2011/bullshit.gif, and when challenged you go into a hallucinatory rant.

What are we to think of you?

I am expecting another hallucinatory rant in response...



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[Gunny]

Gunny: "You go waving a gun at cops, you get what you get."

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by indago http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=769672#post769672)
Point out where it is declared that Tamir Rice was "waving a gun at cops".



So, what you are saying is you can't find anywhere "that Tamir Rice was "waving a gun at cops"." Why am I not surprised? You come out with all this sheer http://mockforums.net/images/smilies/26oct2011/bullshit.gif, and when challenged you go into a hallucinatory rant.

What are we to think of you?

I am expecting another hallucinatory rant in response...



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Tamir Rice was waving a gun. PERIOD. You get shot. Tough shit. I ain't waiting to call in for more intel. Your whole point is a non-point. Wave a firearm around ME. I'm taking you out. End of story.

Like I said, you're a Monday morning quarterback. You're not there in the moment.

What if those firefighters on 9-11 had decided to discuss the issue instead of acting?

We're trained to ACT, not play your little political bullshit games after we and who knows how many others have been killed. You in Obama's hip-pocket, or what? Inaction seems to be the name of y'all's game.

[Gunny]

You know how long a firefight lasts, buttwipe? 10-20 seconds. And you got about a tenth of a second to decide to engage or not.

Know how long a firefight lasts? HOURS. I'd rather be me than a firefighter. Those dudes got 'nads.

You know what a cop's got to decide with junk like you? WTF you're going to do. YOU would just run your mouth. Now if you, Mr Judgmental, think you can identify a real firearm from a replica at 20 feet I want to know who TF you are and want you in my platoon. Otherwise, STFU. Stick to whatever it is you do best and let the warriors do your killing. Then you can whine about it next day having never gotten off your sofa.

[tailfins]

You know how long a firefight lasts, buttwipe? 10-20 seconds. And you got about a tenth of a second to decide to engage or not.

Know how long a firefight lasts? HOURS. I'd rather be me than a firefighter. Those dudes got 'nads.

You know what a cop's got to decide with junk like you? WTF you're going to do. YOU would just run your mouth. Now if you, Mr Judgmental, think you can identify a real firearm from a replica at 20 feet I want to know who TF you are and want you in my platoon. Otherwise, STFU. Stick to whatever it is you do best and let the warriors do your killing. Then you can whine about it next day having never gotten off your sofa.

You crack me up. Even when you dress somebody down, you give good actionable advice. Congratulations on not telling him to go eat :shitfan:

[Motown]

I don't love or hate cops but I know their job can be dangerous so I'm not in the habit of second guessing someone who has to shoot. In this case though I can't support that cop in any way. There wasn't enough time for him to feel threatened.

[indago]

Gunny: "You go waving a gun at cops, you get what you get."

http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by indago http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=769672#post769672)
Point out where it is declared that Tamir Rice was "waving a gun at cops".


http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Gunny http://www.debatepolicy.com/images/debate_policy/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?p=769736#post769736)
Trick question? A threat is a threat... (and other and sundry aberrations, ramifications, fixations, lamentations, hallucinations, and incantations)



So, what you are saying is you can't find anywhere "that Tamir Rice was "waving a gun at cops"." Why am I not surprised? You come out with all this sheer http://mockforums.net/images/smilies/26oct2011/bullshit.gif, and when challenged you go into a hallucinatory rant.

What are we to think of you?

I am expecting another hallucinatory rant in response...
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Well, you didn't disappoint...


Tamir Rice was waving a gun. PERIOD. (and other and sundry aberrations, ramifications, fixations, lamentations, hallucinations, and incantations)

But not at the cops. And concerning all your other http://mockforums.net/images/smilies/26oct2011/bullshit.gif, it has no relevancy here.

[hjmick]

Oh yeah... That wannabe hood rat from Cleveland... I forgot his name... When I first saw the OP title I thought another NFL-er was in trouble again...

[LongTermGuy]

I wonder why he took the red muzzle off the gun?

​Kids will be kids....a look of realism...?

[Gunny]

I don't love or hate cops but I know their job can be dangerous so I'm not in the habit of second guessing someone who has to shoot. In this case though I can't support that cop in any way. There wasn't enough time for him to feel threatened.

Problem is he was a rookie dumbshit. You can't stop stupid. But overall, if you take that red tab off the gun, I'm shooting. They put that thing on there for a reason - to identify the weapon.

And you missed my point. You don't have time to identify a weapon. Going to wait to get a round through the chest to figure out "oh, it's real"?

[Motown]

Problem is he was a rookie dumbshit. You can't stop stupid. But overall, if you take that red tab off the gun, I'm shooting. They put that thing on there for a reason - to identify the weapon.

And you missed my point. You don't have time to identify a weapon. Going to wait to get a round through the chest to figure out "oh, it's real"?

I know what you're saying but are you surprised? Boys will be boys, I played with realistic looking toys too when I was a kid. So did all of my friends. Rookie cop or not, harmless child or coked out bank robber, I don't want cops to pull up on the scene and immediately gut shoot someone. What I saw on the video was murder, not caution.

I know two experts have just cleared the cop but I haven't been able to read their detailed findings yet. If they make a good case then maybe I'll change my mind but they're going to have to make the most out-fucking-standing case of all cases ever made anywhere or anytime for me to believe that that cop shouldn't be thrown in the pokey for a very long time and that's assuming that gut shooting that SOB isn't an option.

[Gunny]

I know what you're saying but are you surprised? Boys will be boys, I played with realistic looking toys too when I was a kid. So did all of my friends. Rookie cop or not, harmless child or coked out bank robber, I don't want cops to pull up on the scene and immediately gut shoot someone. What I saw on the video was murder, not caution.

I know two experts have just cleared the cop but I haven't been able to read their detailed findings yet. If they make a good case then maybe I'll change my mind but they're going to have to make the most out-fucking-standing case of all cases ever made anywhere or anytime for me to believe that that cop shouldn't be thrown in the pokey for a very long time and that's assuming that gut shooting that SOB isn't an option.

Dude, I'm a Marine. What was that dirty word you used? "Caution"? F*ck THAT noise. I don't even know why that's a word. :laugh:

I ain't waiting to see.