God said "Thou shalt not kill"

[gabosaurus]

Part of the 10 Commandments. "Thou shalt not commit murder. Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment."

If I am a county official, can I deny operating permits to gun shows and businesses who sell firearms based on my religious beliefs?

[Jeff]

Part of the 10 Commandments. "Thou shalt not commit murder. Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment."

If I am a county official, can I deny operating permits to gun shows and businesses who sell firearms based on my religious beliefs?

NO, again guns don't kill, I have a cabinet full that just sit there minding there own business. :rolleyes:

[Perianne]

Guns prevent killing.

[Jeff]

Guns prevent killing.

Liberals will find that out one day, then they will be looking for protection from those of us that realized it, personally I am going to enjoy watching them explain to the terrorist that is about to cut off there head, rape them or do some other vile trash that they are on there side, and hell then they can also explain that they should put there guns down because Obama said they are bad.

[Abbey Marie]

Part of the 10 Commandments. "Thou shalt not commit murder. Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment."

If I am a county official, can I deny operating permits to gun shows and businesses who sell firearms based on my religious beliefs?

Did you know that giving out gun permits would be part of your job?

[gabosaurus]

Guns are manufactured and sold for one purpose, which is to be fired. Therefore, they are weapons of destruction. If I am a pacifist and abhor violence, my religious beliefs dictate that weapons are against the will of God.

[Perianne]

Guns are manufactured and sold for one purpose, which is to be fired. Therefore, they are weapons of destruction. If I am a pacifist and abhor violence, my religious beliefs dictate that weapons are against the will of God.

Again, guns prevent killing.

[gabosaurus]

Did you know that giving out gun permits would be part of your job?

That didn't matter to Kim Davis. Why would it matter to me? The Davis decision has set the precedent.

[Abbey Marie]

That didn't matter to Kim Davis. Why would it matter to me? The Davis decision has set the precedent.
Actually, that was the problem. The "law" changed after she worked there. Hence my question. It matters.

[Jeff]

Guns are manufactured and sold for one purpose, which is to be fired. Therefore, they are weapons of destruction. If I am a pacifist and abhor violence, my religious beliefs dictate that weapons are against the will of God.

Being fired doesn't make them a weapons of destruction, unless of course you are worried about that paper targets being shot up at gun ranges.

[gabosaurus]

Actually, that was the problem. The "law" changed after she worked there. Hence my question. It matters.

My answer is the same. I know it is part of my job. But if another employee can break a law by stating her religious beliefs, that establishes new precedent and gives me a chance to do the same.

[gabosaurus]

Being fired doesn't make them a weapons of destruction, unless of course you are worried about that paper targets being shot up at gun ranges.

My religious beliefs oppose the sale and possession of all weapons. Because they lead to death.

[Jeff]

My religious beliefs oppose the sale and possession of all weapons. Because they lead to death.

OK that must be one of those new religions out in Liberal land, I shoot with a few preachers, never heard of your religion.

[Jeff]

My religious beliefs oppose the sale and possession of all weapons. Because they lead to death.

Does your religion also oppose butter knives, cars, screw drivers, bats... and the list goes on of things that could be used to kill with.

[gabosaurus]

OK that must be one of those new religions out in Liberal land, I shoot with a few preachers, never heard of your religion.

You have never heard anyone advocate non-violence? You are unaware of the Ten Commandments?
Perhaps the notion of non-violence doesn't exist in them thar hills.

[Jeff]

You have never heard anyone advocate non-violence? You are unaware of the Ten Commandments?
Perhaps the notion of non-violence doesn't exist in them thar hills.

You are comparing apples and oranges, God gave us tools, how one decides to use them is his/her choice, just because someone uses a box cutter to slash someones throat doesn't make it a weapon.


And I have had enough of this game, your just playing that Ol silly Liberal game. :rolleyes:

Carry on :carryon:

[Little-Acorn]

Did you know that giving out gun permits would be part of your job?

BTW, the Constitution says that since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, the right of ordinary people to own and carry guns and other such weapons cannot be taken away or restricted.

Which means that if you DON'T give a permit, you are guilty of violating the Constitution.

[Jeff]

BTW, the Constitution says that since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, the right of ordinary people to own and carry guns and other such weapons cannot be taken away or restricted.

Which means that if you DON'T give a permit, you are guilty of violating the Constitution.

OOOppps you just ruined the silly liberal games we where playing. :laugh::laugh:

[Black Diamond]

Again, the definition of marriage in Kentucky was changed by the Supreme Coirt. The Constitution in Kentucky defined marriage as "one man one woman". Supreme Court nullified that definition.

I am sure if the Supreme Court rules that all states, including the Soviet Socialist State of California were required to issue permits for assault weapons, grenade launchers, and flamethrowers, Gaby would gladly cooperate as a clerk in doing her job and grant those permits. And she would condemn any clerk who didn't issue said permits. Wouldn't you, Gaby?

[Abbey Marie]

I would hope that those same conscientious objectors to killing, would protest government funding of abortion. Yeah, sure they will. They'll just blame the medical instruments.

[Russ]

Guns are used every day by police, military, and law-abiding citizens to prevent killings. How about that story posted by LongTermGuy a couple of weeks ago about the British sniper that used his long range rifle to prevent ISIS from beheading 20 to 30 people? How would it have turned out if instead he'd just yelled out to the ISIS killers "Yoo-hoo! Please don't behead all those people."
I think that's the difference between liberals and conservatives - liberals think acting nice makes bad guys act nice, conservatives think that shooting bad guys makes them act nice.

[SassyLady]

Guns are manufactured and sold for one purpose, which is to be fired. Therefore, they are weapons of destruction. If I am a pacifist and abhor violence, my religious beliefs dictate that weapons are against the will of God.

If you are a pacifist and abhor violence, then you probably should not have interviewed and accepted a position that would require you to hand out gun permits.

You probably shouldn't work at the DMV either. Driver's licenses can lead to people using the vehicles as weapons of destruction.

Oh, and you probably shouldn't work at large box stores that sell knives .... or wait, you can't even work in a store that sells matches.

Gabs .. just about anything can be used as a weapon so I guess you should stick to teaching.


That didn't matter to Kim Davis. Why would it matter to me? The Davis decision has set the precedent.

When she accepted the job issuing marriages licenses to gay couples was not required.


Part of the 10 Commandments. "Thou shalt not commit murder. Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment."

If I am a county official, can I deny operating permits to gun shows and businesses who sell firearms based on my religious beliefs?

As the county official will you deny a business license for Planned Parenthood based on your belief "thou shall not commit murder"?

[Truth Detector]

Part of the 10 Commandments. "Thou shalt not commit murder. Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment."

If I am a county official, can I deny operating permits to gun shows and businesses who sell firearms based on my religious beliefs?

How does one get "thou shalt not kill "out of "thou shall not commit murder?"

Are liberals really that illiterate and dense?

[Gunny]

NO, again guns don't kill, I have a cabinet full that just sit there minding there own business. :rolleyes:

This thread is called "I'm so desperate I can't get an argument." :laugh:

I can drive a screwdriver through a 2x4. Guess we ought outlaw 8" Klein screwdrivers since I can put one through someone's head. Last I checked, my gun hasn't shot anyone. It doesn't hop out of box and run around on it own when it thinks I'm not around.

[Gunny]

How does one get "thou shalt not kill "out of "thou shall not commit murder?"

Are liberals really that illiterate and dense?

They have their own Bible that says what they want to hear? I don't know you, but I know Gabs, so here's a few pointers:

Cut to the chase and have her define "murder". Money says you'll get 10 different answers that just skirt the word, and they'll all be based on her politics, not any real sense of the word.

The intent of the Commandment is correct. It's about committing murder. Otherwise, God's got some esplaining to do, Lucy. :laugh: I don't think Moses, Saul, Joshua and David are poster children for that Commandment.

[indago]

BTW, the Constitution says that since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, the right of ordinary people to own and carry guns and other such weapons cannot be taken away or restricted.

Which means that if you DON'T give a permit, you are guilty of violating the Constitution.

Then why should anyone ask for permission?

[Drummond]

My religious beliefs oppose the sale and possession of all weapons. Because they lead to death.

All weapons kill ?

You're saying that every weapon that has ever existed, or ever could exist, has or will 'lead to death' ?

Weapons are inanimate objects. They can only kill if the person 'animating' them, by holding then using them, do so in a way that kills.

A knife is a weapon. Who am I killing if I make myself a peanut butter sandwich with one ?

A gun is a weapon. Who am I killing if I were to fire one at a paper target ?

Should WWII never have been fought, because firing a gun might've killed a German ? Or a Japanese soldier ? Would you never fire one at a terrorist (silly question !) .. ?

Gabby, I really think you're shooting yourself in the foot with this one. What's more ... it won't have killed you .. !! :laugh:

[Gunny]

All weapons kill ?

You're saying that every weapon that has ever existed, or ever could exist, has or will 'lead to death' ?

Weapons are inanimate objects. They can only kill if the person 'animating' them, by holding then using them, do so in a way that kills.

A knife is a weapon. Who am I killing if I make myself a peanut butter sandwich with one ?

A gun is a weapon. Who am I killing if I were to fire one at a paper target ?

Should WWII never have been fought, because firing a gun might've killed a German ? Or a Japanese soldier ? Would you never fire one at a terrorist (silly question !) .. ?

Gabby, I really think you're shooting yourself in the foot with this one. What's more ... it won't have killed you .. !! :laugh:

Where do you want to go with this? You going to designate my hands lethal weapons? If you take this down to basics, lefwingers always blame something. We're not allowed to think. We aren't allowed to do anything. BUT, they are the ones that still bitch about slavery that we haven't had since 1865.

Well, guess what? I'll kill you with two fingers. I don't need a gun. All these leftwingers have all these dumbass rules? Here's a fair fight to me: You're dead I won. You could only wish I had a gun. It'd be a lot more painless.

[darin]

God also said "Thou shall not be a liberal" when he wrote "honor your father and mother" and when he wrote "have no other gods ahead of me" and when he wrote "do not lie" and God wrote about ME in the bible...Really did - God was referencing ME when he wrote "...whose genitals (is) like those of donkeys and whose emission (is) like that of horses".

Gabby, you're a retard. Yes I know you were trying to make a stupid point without any basis in reality...Got it. You're trolling.

Anyone who tries to take ANY verse or commandment out of context and creates for themselves a false moral high ground does NOT know God.

God help our society. Talk about could God have prevented 911? I know terrorists have harmed our nation, but a close second in terms of harm to our society are todays socially-destructive "progressive" policies and viewpoints.

[indago]

Where do you want to go with this? You going to designate my hands lethal weapons? If you take this down to basics, lefwingers always blame something. We're not allowed to think. We aren't allowed to do anything. BUT, they are the ones that still bitch about slavery that we haven't had since 1865.

Well, guess what? I'll kill you with two fingers. I don't need a gun. All these leftwingers have all these dumbass rules? Here's a fair fight to me: You're dead I won. You could only wish I had a gun. It'd be a lot more painless.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2717AbGPoMw

[Gunny]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2717AbGPoMw

I'll put to you this way .. I've got a black belt in Hung-Gar kung fu, Tae Guek, and American karate. I'm most proud of the one I earned in Matsubayshi Shorin ryu. Y'all think that movie crap is a joke but I scrubbed his floors for 3 weeks before he would even talk to me. Then he kicked my ass so I knew exactly what I didn't know. If I got a hero, THAT is him. That dude put me in my place quicker than you can spit.

I was a dumbass arrogant jarhead who thought he knew everything. Sensei beat my ass in less than a minute. So that didn't work out so good.:laugh: What he told was this: "You got the power, you got the skills, you need to learn how to NOT use them."

And Sreven Seagall is a punk. He knows aiki and how to operate a .45. Yea.

I think just so you know, I'd much rather discuss this than the boring pissing contest that I don't even remember going on before.

[revelarts]

Part of the 10 Commandments. "Thou shalt not commit murder. Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment."

If I am a county official, can I deny operating permits to gun shows and businesses who sell firearms based on my religious beliefs?

...When a strong man fully armed guards his home, his possessions are safe....
Jesus
Like 11:21

[Jeff]

God also said "Thou shall not be a liberal" when he wrote "honor your father and mother" and when he wrote "have no other gods ahead of me" and when he wrote "do not lie" and God wrote about ME in the bible...Really did - God was referencing ME when he wrote "...whose genitals (is) like those of donkeys and whose emission (is) like that of horses".

Gabby, you're a retard. Yes I know you were trying to make a stupid point without any basis in reality...Got it. You're trolling.

Anyone who tries to take ANY verse or commandment out of context and creates for themselves a false moral high ground does NOT know God.

God help our society. Talk about could God have prevented 911? I know terrorists have harmed our nation, but a close second in terms of harm to our society are todays socially-destructive "progressive" policies and viewpoints.

OK that wins funny statement of the week :laugh::laugh:

Whether you like Gabby love her or hate her that is just funny, dam made me shoot dam coffee out my nose. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[fj1200]

Part of the 10 Commandments. "Thou shalt not commit murder. Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment."

If I am a county official, can I deny operating permits to gun shows and businesses who sell firearms based on my religious beliefs?

Are you going with "kill" or with "murder"? Most translations are "thou shalt not commit murder" where "murder" has a specific definition:


the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

You've based your premise on a fallacy.

[Black Diamond]

Are you going with "kill" or with "murder"? Most translations are "thou shalt not commit murder" where "murder" has a specific definition:



You've based your premise on a fallacy.

Interesting. I will look those up.

[Black Diamond]

Dupe

[Black Diamond]

Are you going with "kill" or with "murder"? Most translations are "thou shalt not commit murder" where "murder" has a specific definition:



You've based your premise on a fallacy.

King James says thou shalt not kill. All the other translations say "murder".
http://biblehub.com/exodus/20-13.htm

[Nonnie]

There are some 30+ Bible translations.

Word for word Bibles are more accurate and state, "Thou shalt not kill".

[fj1200]

There are some 30+ Bible translations.

Word for word Bibles are more accurate and state, "Thou shalt not kill".

I'm not so sure about that.


Thou shalt not kill (LXX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXX); οὐ φονεύσεις), You shall not murder (Hebrew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew) לֹא תִּרְצָח (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%A8%D7%A6%D7%97) lo tirṣaḥ) or You shall not kill (KJV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KJV)), is a moral imperative included as one of the Ten Commandments (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments) in the Torah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah),[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill#cite_note-1) specifically Exodus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Exodus) 20:13 and Deuteronomy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuteronomy) 5:17.
The imperative is against unlawful killing resulting in bloodguilt (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bloodguilt).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill#cite_note-2) The Hebrew Bible (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible) contains numerous prohibitions against unlawful killing, but also allows for justified killing in the context of warfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warfare), capital punishment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment), and self-defense (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-defense).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill

Given all the "killing" in the bible I would think "murder" would be the more correct translation.

[Nonnie]

I'm not so sure about that.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill

Given all the "killing" in the bible I would think "murder" would be the more correct translation.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7654&stc=1

You could be right. In the Word for Word Interlinear Bible (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/exo20.pdf), it states murder but kill in the notes 13.

NASB is murder but that's an American Bible for you ;), and the Kings James and Darby Bible's state kill.

[fj1200]

You could be right. In the Word for Word Interlinear Bible (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/exo20.pdf), it states murder but kill in the notes 13.

NASB is murder but that's an American Bible for you ;), and the Kings James and Darby Bible's state kill.

But what is correct?


Verse 13: "You shall not murder."

This command is straightforward and perfectly plain on the face of it, unless you want to dispute the meaning of the word 'murder', or the word so translated.

The King James Version reads, "Thou shalt not kill."
The New King James reads, "You shall not murder."
The New American Bible reads, "You shall not murder."
The American Standard Bible reads, "You shall not kill."
The Amplified Bible reads, "You shall not commit murder."

From this sample, we have 60% murder, and 40% kill. Which is it?
In the Interlinear Scripture Analyzer, the AV (Authorized Version) reads in English "Thous shalt not kill", while the transliteral Hebrew reads 'la thrtzch' and is rendered in English as "not you-shall murder". Whereas the Hebrew clearly reads murder, you have to wonder why so many translators chose 'kill'. Could it be bias ... men know better than God what He means ?

In Leviticus God orders the penalty of death for numerous offenses. Execution is not regarded by God as murder, but justice.

Perhaps you have already noticed that the use of 'kill' is in the old translations, while 'murder' appears in modern translations. Only the very blind or foolish are holding on to translations made centuries ago from then extant scriptures. Since the days of the 1611 King James translation, much archaeological research has transpired. The more recent translations are based on older documents, and performed with greater knowledge of the common usage of the that day. Hence, they more accurately reflect the original meanings.
http://www.himandus.net/Theology/theology_011_decalogue.html

I believe "murder" is correct.

[revelarts]

Part of what we have to do is look at the whole Biblical context and the other commands of God.

The same as if a mom tells her kids to" go to bed".
If every other time she'd said that she's made it clear that she meant for them to go to sleep by coming in and telling them to close their eye's and taking their phones and unplugging the TV.
At that point do you really NEED to make sure you perfectly translate the words "GO" then "TO" then "BED"?
Only a kid that's looking for an excuse does that because it's perfectly obvious what Mom's meaning is.

the EXACT same goes for the command 'you shalt not kill'.
In the full context God also gives specific commands for capital punishment for murder but also says people are not to suffer any punishment for killing others by accident. And there's more contextual evidence throughout scripture on how it's understood and applied. it clearly means murder.

So it's not really a hard question to answer at all ... unless someone just wants to make a political point about gun control or something.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7654&stc=1

You could be right. In the Word for Word Interlinear Bible (http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/exo20.pdf), it states murder but kill in the notes 13.

NASB is murder but that's an American Bible for you ;), and the Kings James and Darby Bible's state kill.

In the Old Testament God commands the Israelites to kill all of certain enemies they faced, sparing none.
Look it up if it is unknown to you.
God would not be commanding the Israelites to break his own word.
The command is thou shall not murder.
Old testament reveals that God helped the Israelites kill their enemies!
Do you think God broke his own word?-Tyr

[DLT]

Part of the 10 Commandments. "Thou shalt not commit murder. Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment."

If I am a county official, can I deny operating permits to gun shows and businesses who sell firearms based on my religious beliefs?

No. Cause....that would be stupid.

[DLT]

Are you going with "kill" or with "murder"? Most translations are "thou shalt not commit murder" where "murder" has a specific definition:



You've based your premise on a fallacy.

Don't they (lefties) always? :laugh:

[fj1200]

Don't they (lefties) always? :laugh:

Generally. ;)

[Gunny]

Did Hillary start this thread? Or Bill? Sounds like an exercise in defining what "is" is. Here's a quickie on interpreting God's word ...

why was Moses not allowed into the Holy Land? Because he murdered an Egyptian guard. The word "murder" did not exist at the time 10 Commandments were written. It's an English word from the Middle Ages. So, "kill" would have been appropriate.

[Black Diamond]

Did Hillary start this thread? Or Bill?

Chelsea.

[Black Diamond]

I grew up on "Thou shalt not kill" and I knew it meant commit murder. I knew David wasn't sinning when he killed Goliath, for example.

[jimnyc]

Thou shall not kill. Thou shall not murder. Either way, lots of despicable folks (mostly on the left) are going to have lots of explaining to do about killing God's children. But hey, let's not fret over endless millions of abortions when we can discuss guns and whine about killing or murder, even if the numbers are minuscule in comparison.

[Black Diamond]

Thou shall not kill. Thou shall not murder. Either way, lots of despicable folks (mostly on the left) are going to have lots of explaining to do about killing God's children. But hey, let's not fret over endless millions of abortions when we can discuss guns and whine about killing or murder, even if the numbers are minuscule in comparison.
Future generations will look back at America and cringe. Is murdering out of convenience any better than murdering out of hatred?

[Gunny]

Chelsea.

I'm starting to re-think my ideas about killing people if you're going to throw dirty words at me.:laugh: