Marco Rubio on immigration

[jimnyc]

My front runner, thus far, and I don't like his stance here. I recall reading awhile back his lengthy path to citizenship. Not sure if any specifics have changed since. Don't have anything to post here regarding his position, but wanted to start a thread anyway. Hopefully I/we can add more as known. Those were "my" 3 candidates thus far, so I posted them - Rubio, Trump and Cruz.

[Perianne]

Never forget that if we lose the immigration battle we lose everything. There are not enough Republicans to overcome the hordes of illegal immigrants coming here to support Democrats.


In 2013, Rubio was the face of the Senate’s “Gang of Eight” comprehensive amnesty bill. The Congressional Budget Office determined that Rubio’s legislation, which would give nearly every illegal immigrant in America a pathway to citizenship while massively increasing legal immigration to unprecedented levels, would lower the wages of American workers. After championing the Gang of Eight bill that passed the Senate, Rubio’s poll numbers plummeted.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/14/reports-amnesty-marco-rubios-top-liability/

[fj1200]

Never forget that if we lose the immigration battle we lose everything.

Your opinion. We (Republicans) will lose everything if we sell out for one issue. Besides, we've had immigration for our entire history.

[jimnyc]

Your opinion. We (Republicans) will lose everything if we sell out for one issue. Besides, we've had immigration for our entire history.

MOSTLY agree with you. We have had immigration our entire history, and it helped make our country great, but we're talking illegal immigration. And yes, I know we've always had that too, but it's hitting new highs. And laws are not being enforced. And folks that have already broken laws are more or less then being awarded for breaking those laws. And then folks in our country are suffering in various ways as a result. I think as more and more of this one issue is fixed, the negative results will then obviously diminish more and more. And even if someone says "amnesty for all" and problem is solved. We would still need a fix as the problem isn't just going to go away. And the easier, and more lax things become, it will grow.

[Perianne]

Never forget that if we lose the immigration battle we lose everything. There are not enough Republicans to overcome the hordes of illegal immigrants coming here to support Democrats.




Your opinion. We (Republicans) will lose everything if we sell out for one issue. Besides, we've had immigration for our entire history.

You quoted me on the first part. The second part explains why. I cannot imagine how anyone can think otherwise.

And don't tell me about immigrants. I am one. But I have a different mentality from our present immigrants.

Please, fj1200, explain to me how the conservative/Republican agenda is going to pass if we allow tens of millions new Democratic voters to join the ranks?

[Abbey Marie]

Make it less attractive economically to come here than to stay home, and most will stay away.

Except for those in cruel regimes. Freedom will always be enticing to those folks.

[fj1200]

MOSTLY agree with you. We have had immigration our entire history, and it helped make our country great, but we're talking illegal immigration. And yes, I know we've always had that too, but it's hitting new highs. And laws are not being enforced. And folks that have already broken laws are more or less then being awarded for breaking those laws. And then folks in our country are suffering in various ways as a result. I think as more and more of this one issue is fixed, the negative results will then obviously diminish more and more. And even if someone says "amnesty for all" and problem is solved. We would still need a fix as the problem isn't just going to go away. And the easier, and more lax things become, it will grow.

I completely agree that it needs to be fixed but I disagree with the fire and brimstone proclamations. Our problems are not because people want to come here to work.

[fj1200]

You quoted me on the first part. The second part explains why. I cannot imagine how anyone can think otherwise.

And don't tell me about immigrants. I am one. But I have a different mentality from our present immigrants.

Please, fj1200, explain to me how the conservative/Republican agenda is going to pass if we allow tens of millions new Democratic voters to join the ranks?

^Strawman. You think that your immigration opinion exists in a vacuum. Please show me what the mentality is of present immigrants.

[tailfins]

Make it less attractive economically to come here than to stay home, and most will stay away.

Except for those in cruel regimes. Freedom will always be enticing to those folks.

And do it in a way that "sells". Support immigrants; oppose human trafficking. Paying less that the prevailing wage constitutes human trafficking. Can you hear me now, VERIZON?

[Drummond]

My front runner, thus far, and I don't like his stance here. I recall reading awhile back his lengthy path to citizenship. Not sure if any specifics have changed since. Don't have anything to post here regarding his position, but wanted to start a thread anyway. Hopefully I/we can add more as known. Those were "my" 3 candidates thus far, so I posted them - Rubio, Trump and Cruz.

I've dug this out, Jim. Scores of 10 are the most Conservative ... 1, least Conservative ...

From ...

http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/l/50/Marco-Rubio

RUBIO ...


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Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens - Opposes



Ideology Score

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AZ anti-immigrant law demands papers like "police state" Favors immigration reform

AZ law may unreasonably single out some citizens Favors immigration reform

Don't count illegal immigrants in the 2010 census Opposes immigration reform

Give kids of illegal immigrants in-state tuition rates Favors immigration reform

GOP DREAM Act: visas for going to college or military Favors immigration reform

Green cards after 10 years; secure border; & e-Verify Favors immigration reform

Human trafficking law & deferred action caused border crisis Opposes immigration reform

Legal status, but not citizenship, to migrant's children Opposes immigration reform

No amnesty in any form, not even back-of-the-line Strongly opposes immigration reform

Oppose amnesty in any reform Strongly opposes immigration reform

Opposes granting amnesty to illegal immigrants Opposes immigration reform

Supports full implementation of current border security laws Strongly opposes immigration reform


I like Rick Santorum as a candidate. Here's where he stands ...

http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/l/58/Rick-Santorum



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Pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens - Strongly Opposes



Ideology Score

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Amnesty to unskilled illegals makes worker wages stagnate Opposes immigration reform

Focus on skilled immigrants; now most are unskilled Opposes immigration reform

No benefits for illegal immigrants Strongly opposes immigration reform

NO on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security Strongly opposes immigration reform

NO on establishing a Guest Worker program Opposes immigration reform

NO on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship Strongly opposes immigration reform

No promises & no government benefits to immigrants Strongly opposes immigration reform

YES on allowing more foreign workers into the US for farm work Favors immigration reform

YES on building a fence along the Mexican border Strongly opposes immigration reform

YES on limit welfare for immigrants Strongly opposes immigration reform

YES on visas for skilled workers Favors immigration reform

[tailfins]

YES on visas for skilled workers Favors immigration reform

This one is a real GOTCHA: The H1B Visa is corrupt. It borders on indentured servitude. It's rigged so that the recipient can't change jobs, resulting in below market wages and an oppressive working environment. There are numerous cases where laid-off US workers were required to train their H1B replacement to receive their severance payment.