If I Were President.

[Perianne]

If I were the President I would take a similar stance to what Trump has said.

1. I would rescind Obama's executive orders concerning illegal immigrants.
2. I would follow the law and send all the illegals out of the country.
3. If they came back, I would jail them.
4. I would order all federal funds shut off to sanctuary cities.
5. Any mayor, city council, law enforcement, or any other persons of authority who ignores federal law would be prosecuted by Attorney General Trey Gowdy.
6. Any illegal that uses false identification would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Perianne would go down as the president who saved America from the hordes of illegals.

[Kathianne]

I like that you put that out there.

[Perianne]

I like that you put that out there.

You are very welcome. But why do you like it?

[Kathianne]

You are very welcome. But why do you like it?
You picked an issue and elaborated upon it, not just nonsense. That to me anyways, it what a discussion, much less 'debate' board is supposed to be about.

[gabosaurus]

If I were the President I would take a similar stance to what Trump has said.

1. I would rescind Obama's executive orders concerning illegal immigrants.
2. I would follow the law and send all the illegals out of the country.
3. If they came back, I would jail them.
4. I would order all federal funds shut off to sanctuary cities.
5. Any mayor, city council, law enforcement, or any other persons of authority who ignores federal law would be prosecuted by Attorney General Trey Gowdy.
6. Any illegal that uses false identification would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Perianne would go down as the president who saved America from the hordes of illegals.

Like every other person on the board, you refuse to deal with the real problem. Which is -- if there were no jobs, there would be no reason for illegals to cross the board.
All of your "actions" penalize the people who cross the border. Yet you list no sanctions or other legal actions against companies that hire illegals.

Let me break it down for you. Suppose you have a wife and two kids to support. A job in Mexico (or Latin America) pays you $1 an hour. A job in the U.S. pays you $10 an hour. Where would you go?
There are companies in the U.S. that make it clear that they will hire any illegal that comes in the door. They can set your pay, send you to jobs that no American will do and not have to pay benefit. Many pay in cash so nothing is traceable.
Places like Arizona and Texas won't go after companies because they don't want to fight the legal system. So they just deport the illegals and blame it on them.

If you see a giant anthill, is it easier to collect all the individual ants or just knock down the hill? Considering the anthill can take you to court and the ants can't.

[Gunny]

If I were the President I would take a similar stance to what Trump has said.

1. I would rescind Obama's executive orders concerning illegal immigrants.
2. I would follow the law and send all the illegals out of the country.
3. If they came back, I would jail them.
4. I would order all federal funds shut off to sanctuary cities.
5. Any mayor, city council, law enforcement, or any other persons of authority who ignores federal law would be prosecuted by Attorney General Trey Gowdy.
6. Any illegal that uses false identification would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Perianne would go down as the president who saved America from the hordes of illegals.

I'd just go on vacation. Isn't that a job requirement for a US President?

[Black Diamond]

I'd just go on vacation. Isn't that a job requirement for a US President?

That and take up golf.

[Drummond]

Like every other person on the board, you refuse to deal with the real problem. Which is -- if there were no jobs, there would be no reason for illegals to cross the board.
All of your "actions" penalize the people who cross the border. Yet you list no sanctions or other legal actions against companies that hire illegals.

Let me break it down for you. Suppose you have a wife and two kids to support. A job in Mexico (or Latin America) pays you $1 an hour. A job in the U.S. pays you $10 an hour. Where would you go?
There are companies in the U.S. that make it clear that they will hire any illegal that comes in the door. They can set your pay, send you to jobs that no American will do and not have to pay benefit. Many pay in cash so nothing is traceable.
Places like Arizona and Texas won't go after companies because they don't want to fight the legal system. So they just deport the illegals and blame it on them.

If you see a giant anthill, is it easier to collect all the individual ants or just knock down the hill? Considering the anthill can take you to court and the ants can't.

Well, if the UK has any viable comparison to offer ... here, illegals are present - and many, many more are trying to cross from France to England, probably even as I type .. because they're looking for State handouts ! Granted, some will work, if they get the chance. If not, they'll claim anything they can get their hands on (something Cameron is tightening up on, by the way).

Can you tell me why any American companies have the smallest freedom to hire illegals ? Why any loopholes ? They are, after all, ILLEGALS ...

[Kathianne]

Well, if the UK has any viable comparison to offer ... here, illegals are present - and many, many more are trying to cross from France to England, probably even as I type .. because they're looking for State handouts ! Granted, some will work, if they get the chance. If not, they'll claim anything they can get their hands on (something Cameron is tightening up on, by the way).

Can you tell me why any American companies have the smallest freedom to hire illegals ? Why any loopholes ? They are, after all, ILLEGALS ...

It's against the law in most, if not all states. Not enforced for the most part. Then there are those working as day workers-pick up what they can.

The issue of what to do with those that are already here-whether Chinese, ME, Mexicans or South/Central Americans is they are hard workers for the most part. Yes, there are those criminals too, just like in our 'legal' communities.

However, before any decisions of what to do, the borders-all including ports and airports, must be regulated. Most didn't cross any border or get here illegally, they've stayed here illegally when visa expired. They just stay.

[Perianne]

However, before any decisions of what to do, the borders-all including ports and airports, must be regulated. Most didn't cross any border or get here illegally, they've stayed here illegally when visa expired. They just stay.

Kathianne, do you have any stats on that? I have heard that very thing before.

What I see around here is Mexican, Mexican, and more Mexicans.

[Kathianne]

Kathianne, do you have any stats on that? I have heard that very thing before.

What I see around here is Mexican, Mexican, and more Mexicans.

May not be 'most' but 40% is significant:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/reality-check/presidential/2015/03/21/fact-check-jeb-bush-immigration/25148383/

[Kathianne]

I think the Mexicans stand out because of the language issues. Those overstaying visas are more likely to be bi-lingual and better educated. Certainly true of Chinese.

[Perianne]

May not be 'most' but 40% is significant:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/reality-check/presidential/2015/03/21/fact-check-jeb-bush-immigration/25148383/

I wasn't arguing about it. Just curious.

Either way, a Perianne presidency would remove everyone here illegally.

[Gunny]

I think the Mexicans stand out because of the language issues. Those overstaying visas are more likely to be bi-lingual and better educated. Certainly true of Chinese.

I think you may be a tad wrong, but since I'm on everyone's "grace list" right now ....

They live like roaches. Simple as that. Want a better life? Don't bring your sorry one over here with you. 20 people in a 2 bedroom apartment? Are you kidding?

[Kathianne]

I think you may be a tad wrong, but since I'm on everyone's "grace list" right now ....

They live like roaches. Simple as that. Want a better life? Don't bring your sorry one over here with you. 20 people in a 2 bedroom apartment? Are you kidding?

Depends on where they are. Lots of Italians and Irish were living in the same type of tenements when they came over.

The Irish had a bit of a leg up with language and generally more educated-especially Irish women.

[gabosaurus]

That and take up golf.

http://static.bangordailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Bushfather-600x549.jpg

[gabosaurus]

Well, if the UK has any viable comparison to offer ... here, illegals are present - and many, many more are trying to cross from France to England, probably even as I type .. because they're looking for State handouts ! Granted, some will work, if they get the chance. If not, they'll claim anything they can get their hands on (something Cameron is tightening up on, by the way).

Can you tell me why any American companies have the smallest freedom to hire illegals ? Why any loopholes ? They are, after all, ILLEGALS ...

Because no one enforces the law against it.
Politicians can get much more mileage out of demanding an end to illegal immigration than they can demanding the shutdown of companies that hire illegals. Like I said before, the illegals can't hire corporate lawyers to defend them.
When the feds busted a Donut company in Texas a few years back, it was found to employ thousands of illegals throughout the state. Same with a poultry company. Both fought sanctions in court and settled for laughably small fines. And probably still employ illegals.

In England (and many parts of Europe), illegals are running from war zones that have destroyed much of their homelands.
Most Mexican immigrants don't face that. They face serious unemployment and one of the most corrupt governments in the world.
Mexican immigrants come here for jobs. The majority don't want to live in the U.S. It is too expensive. If there were no jobs, they wouldn't come here.

Politicians know why Mexican immigrants come here. That is why they avoid the issue. How many U.S. presidential candidates have promised solutions and then reneged when they won? Perhaps all of them?
What does Scott Walker know about immigration problems? He lives in freaking WISCONSIN! A Cheesehead is not going to know squat about this. Neither does Trump.

[Kathianne]

Because no one enforces the law against it.
Politicians can get much more mileage out of demanding an end to illegal immigration than they can demanding the shutdown of companies that hire illegals. Like I said before, the illegals can't hire corporate lawyers to defend them.
When the feds busted a Donut company in Texas a few years back, it was found to employ thousands of illegals throughout the state. Same with a poultry company. Both fought sanctions in court and settled for laughably small fines. And probably still employ illegals.

In England (and many parts of Europe), illegals are running from war zones that have destroyed much of their homelands.
Most Mexican immigrants don't face that. They face serious unemployment and one of the most corrupt governments in the world.
Mexican immigrants come here for jobs. The majority don't want to live in the U.S. It is too expensive. If there were no jobs, they wouldn't come here.

Politicians know why Mexican immigrants come here. That is why they avoid the issue. How many U.S. presidential candidates have promised solutions and then reneged when they won? Perhaps all of them?
What does Scott Walker know about immigration problems? He lives in freaking WISCONSIN! A Cheesehead is not going to know squat about this. Neither does Trump.
Gabby, you're ignorance is showing once again.

Every state in the Union has issues with unrestrained illegal immigration. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2013/02/map_illegal_immigrant_population_by_state.html

Those like WI, have spillover from those with more such as IL. BTW Gabby, nice name calling for the state of WI coming from someone choosing to live in the nutters state.

[Balu]

Gabby, you're ignorance is showing once again. ...


Please, DO be polite with those to whom you are writing. You are not a 'honey gunny' at least.
Sorry for my remark. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/blush2.gif

[Gunny]

Please, DO be polite with those to whom you are writing. You are not a 'honey gunny' at least.
Sorry for my remark. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/blush2.gif

Fuck you commie jerk off. How's THAT work?

[Jeff]

Fuck you commie jerk off. How's THAT work?

If I where president I would make Gunny my right hand man because he has such a way with words. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[red state]

If I were the President I would take a similar stance to what Trump has said.

1. I would rescind Obama's executive orders concerning illegal immigrants.
2. I would follow the law and send all the illegals out of the country.
3. If they came back, I would jail them.
4. I would order all federal funds shut off to sanctuary cities.
5. Any mayor, city council, law enforcement, or any other persons of authority who ignores federal law would be prosecuted by Attorney General Trey Gowdy.
6. Any illegal that uses false identification would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Perianne would go down as the president who saved America from the hordes of illegals.


To simplify things...I'd UNDO EVERYTHING B.O. has done and I'd call every "Republican" in my office for a good ole fashioned CHEWING out if they didn't MAN UP and follow my lead!!!

1. I would follow the Constitution (EXCLUSIVELY) and enforce it FIRMLY.
2. My 4 - 8 years would involve CLOSING the border (as well as LEGAL imagration) till jobs were THERE and OUR current citizens were employed.
3. An aggressive campaing to limit gov. (TSA, IRS and obamacare-less) and/or do away with un-needed, abusive programs/agencies.
4. The military would be strengthened....improved and un-desirables CULLED.
5. ISIS, iran and others would see a totally different, FIRMLY aggressive attitude (instead of the lenient one they've been getting.

These are the top FIVE but I would go back to basics and follow Washington's and Reagan's policies as best I could by surrounding myself with quality folks (from the military). By the way, I try my best to do something that I've preached about for years....even though I've never served; I'd try my best to change the presidential requirements (even if it prevented me from running a second term) because under this new requirement, ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY SERVED AND SERVED HONORABLY IN OUR MILITARY COULD HOLD THE OFFICE OF CIC!!!

[red state]

If I where president I would make Gunny my right hand man because he has such a way with words. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Exactly.....as stated above, I'd have OLD SALT, Gunny, North & WEST be my right hand man in charge of the VA, Navy, strategies and border security with each man having their own dept. Gunny, you'd be over the border (with troop stations every 10 miles of our border, Old Salt over the VA / technology or NAVY and North as a foreign policy and strategist. WEST would be my spokesperson and advisor. SIMPLE SUCCESS making my job easier cuz I'd abide by what yall thought was best and I'd not second guess or trump what you guys decided to do. I trust each of these men to make the RIGHT decisions for our troops and for AMERICA.

[red state]

Oh...and Dr. Ben Carson would be my Surgeon General!!! Tyr, you'd be my VP......they don't do anything anyway. HA!!!!

[Drummond]

Fuck you commie jerk off. How's THAT work?:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

[Drummond]

Because no one enforces the law against it.
Politicians can get much more mileage out of demanding an end to illegal immigration than they can demanding the shutdown of companies that hire illegals. Like I said before, the illegals can't hire corporate lawyers to defend them.
When the feds busted a Donut company in Texas a few years back, it was found to employ thousands of illegals throughout the state. Same with a poultry company. Both fought sanctions in court and settled for laughably small fines. And probably still employ illegals.

In England (and many parts of Europe), illegals are running from war zones that have destroyed much of their homelands.
Most Mexican immigrants don't face that. They face serious unemployment and one of the most corrupt governments in the world.
Mexican immigrants come here for jobs. The majority don't want to live in the U.S. It is too expensive. If there were no jobs, they wouldn't come here.

Politicians know why Mexican immigrants come here. That is why they avoid the issue. How many U.S. presidential candidates have promised solutions and then reneged when they won? Perhaps all of them?
What does Scott Walker know about immigration problems? He lives in freaking WISCONSIN! A Cheesehead is not going to know squat about this. Neither does Trump.

High time they DID enforce it, then !!! Is Obama encouraging that laxity (probably a very stupid question) ?

And laws should be amended requiring a 'guilty' verdict to carry a mandatory VERY stiff fine as a minimum requirement. 'Laughably small fines' is ridiculous, and needs remedying.

Over here, Labour (your Party of choice, Gabby, for the UK ?) encouraged laxity .. their old 'you are being racist if you don't defer to them' argument was in full force. Now that the Conservatives have shaken off their LibDem 'partners' and are free of Coalition Government, we are now BEGINNING to move in the right direction !!!!

See ...

http://www.cityam.com/216181/pm-firms-must-crack-down-illegal-migrants


Prime Minister David Cameron took his hardest line yet on illegal immigration this morning, when he introduced sweeping legislation cracking down not only on foreign workers, but on the landlords, banks and employers that help them as well.

In a speech today in Westminster, Cameron said the Queen’s Speech will include an immigration bill intended to control and reduce the number of people moving to Britain.

“We will put an end to houses packed full of illegal workers; stop illegal migrants stalling deportation; give British people the skills to do the jobs Britain needs,” Cameron said, adding, “We are for working people. For them, we will control and reduce immigration.”

The immigration bill is expected to include new powers for councils to penalise landlords housing illegal migrants, as well as new requirements for banks to check all bank accounts against databases of undocumented foreign workers. The legislation is also expected to make it an offence for businesses and recruitment agencies to recruit abroad without advertising in the UK, and create a labour market enforcement agency to address labour market exploitation.

Perhaps most dramatically, the immigration bill is understood to redefine “illegal working” to include penalties for both workers and the people who pay them.

“We’ll make illegal working a criminal offence in its own right,” the Prime Minister said.

... yes. This is NOW being tackled !! You can see how far we have yet to go on this. Thanks to previous SOCIALIST 'crawling' to immigrants, a crawling that failed all too often to even try to differentiate between 'legals' and 'illegals' in ways that mattered.

Here's the opposite end of the spectrum. Gordon Brown, Labour's PM, who was caught denigrating a lady he'd spoken to in the street, during the 2010 election 'hustings'.

Get a load of this lot ... it gets better, the more you watch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTr8IVWBuPE

... one VERY disillusioned voter !!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-Ixqw85_P0

BBC links sometimes don't play outside the UK. Hopefully that one will.

Any chance of Obama being caught in an equivalent episode, I wonder ? I'd love it .. can anyone arrange it ? :laugh::laugh:

[Perianne]

Oh my gosh! Did he ever get caught! lol

BTW, when did British people start talking the way they do? I can barely understand them.

[Drummond]

Oh my gosh! Did he ever get caught! lol

BTW, when did British people start talking the way they do? I can barely understand them.

Great stuff, isn't it ?

I 'apologise' for the accent .. that one from Gillian Duffy was a fairly typical Northern one. There are several variations. The broadest Cornish accent is hard for even me to understand. I'd describe a broad 'Geordie' accent (Northumberland, Newcastle ..) as ... at its worst, 'impenetrable' .. !!

An idea my office had of a joke was to put a Geordie on telephone duty, answering queries from the general public. He did improve his clarity .. after a few months ... :laugh2:

I've no real answer for you as to 'when' British people started talking as they do (I'd imagine we're talking 'centuries', though). Although .. I once read an article suggesting that the American accent(s) were once as WE spoke, with the accent somehow not evolving as ours are supposed to have done.

I wonder, if we ever met, whether you'd understand me ?? My accent has a soft Cockney influence in it. It's broad amongst East-enders of London, getting even more so the further east you go, into Essex. Me, I originally hailed from north London, where the Cockney 'twang' is softer.

[Perianne]

Great stuff, isn't it ?

I 'apologise' for the accent .. that one from Gillian Duffy was a fairly typical Northern one. There are several variations. The broadest Cornish accent is hard for even me to understand. I'd describe a broad 'Geordie' accent (Northumberland, Newcastle ..) as ... at its worst, 'impenetrable' .. !!

An idea my office had of a joke was to put a Geordie on telephone duty, answering queries from the general public. He did improve his clarity .. after a few months ... :laugh2:

I've no real answer for you as to 'when' British people started talking as they do (I'd imagine we're talking 'centuries', though). Although .. I once read an article suggesting that the American accent(s) were once as WE spoke, with the accent somehow not evolving as ours are supposed to have done.

I wonder, if we ever met, whether you'd understand me ?? My accent has a soft Cockney influence in it. It's broad amongst East-enders of London, getting even more so the further east you go, into Essex. Me, I originally hailed from north London, where the Cockney 'twang' is softer.

No need to apologize, sir.

I speak very clear English, but there are people around here, mostly from Appalachia, who I cannot converse with. They can understand me, but I cannot understand them. And of course we have ebonics. Again, they can understand me, but I cannot understand them.

[Drummond]

No need to apologize, sir.

I speak very clear English, but there are people around here, mostly from Appalachia, who I cannot converse with. They can understand me, but I cannot understand them. And of course we have ebonics. Again, they can understand me, but I cannot understand them.

From our point of view, you have an advantage. Most American accents are easily understood by the British.

Have you ever watched the Jeremy Kyle show ? He's a Brit who took his successful British show across to New York, and ran (maybe he still does ?) the same format there. It's a sort of 'Jerry Springer' type of show, but with the important difference that Kyle sets out to HELP the people who appear on it with their problems, not just feed off the sensationalist aspect of them, as Springer does.

I always enjoy 'The Jeremy Kyle Show USA' version of them ... more than the British equivalent. Often, Americans are easier for me to follow than my own people !!

[Perianne]

From our point of view, you have an advantage. Most American accents are easily understood by the British.

Have you ever watched the Jeremy Kyle show ? He's a Brit who took his successful British show across to New York, and ran (maybe he still does ?) the same format there. It's a sort of 'Jerry Springer' type of show, but with the important difference that Kyle sets out to HELP the people who appear on it with their problems, not just feed off the sensationalist aspect of them, as Springer does.

I always enjoy 'The Jeremy Kyle Show USA' version of them ... more than the British equivalent. Often, Americans are easier for me to follow than my own people !!

I have never heard of Jeremy Kyle, so no, I have never watched his show.

[Gunny]

Exactly.....as stated above, I'd have OLD SALT, Gunny, North & WEST be my right hand man in charge of the VA, Navy, strategies and border security with each man having their own dept. Gunny, you'd be over the border (with troop stations every 10 miles of our border, Old Salt over the VA / technology or NAVY and North as a foreign policy and strategist. WEST would be my spokesperson and advisor. SIMPLE SUCCESS making my job easier cuz I'd abide by what yall thought was best and I'd not second guess or trump what you guys decided to do. I trust each of these men to make the RIGHT decisions for our troops and for AMERICA.

You don't want ME in charge of the VA. That clean sweep would be via shovel, not broom. Ran into a couple of vets in the grocery store just yesterday. We all have the same story, it seems. We can't get the medication we need. Punk-ass teenagers can get painkillers for the asking and all we ever get is what we DON'T ask for. Got a good dose of that when some genius put me on Paxil. I don't even remember that two weeks of my life. Except the trip to jail.

[red state]

You don't want ME in charge of the VA. That clean sweep would be via shovel, not broom. Ran into a couple of vets in the grocery store just yesterday. We all have the same story, it seems. We can't get the medication we need. Punk-ass teenagers can get painkillers for the asking and all we ever get is what we DON'T ask for. Got a good dose of that when some genius put me on Paxil. I don't even remember that two weeks of my life. Except the trip to jail.

Gunny, I believe I had you supervising the border (ALL BORDERS) and Old Salt controlling the VA but since you explained what you'd do.....I'm giving VA duties to you cuz that racket most definitely needs a shovel (or a boot in the @$$). My grandfather was so un-important there and NO soldier should feel un-important or expendable!!! Like so many, those SOB's & that SOW in our White House, practically killed or helped kill our dear friend we lost last year (in my humble opinion). Yep, with your plan of what needs to be done.....the VA is now your JOB!!! I'll have you and Ben Carson working closely together to get that racket cleaned up. Old Salt can then focus on tech issues.

:salute:

[NightTrain]

BBC links sometimes don't play outside the UK. Hopefully that one will.

Any chance of Obama being caught in an equivalent episode, I wonder ? I'd love it .. can anyone arrange it ? :laugh::laugh:


Well... I'm pretty sure she won't be voting for ol' Gordy anytime soon! :laugh:

Sue is in deep kimchee. Gotta love the candid moments when the politicians forget about those wireless microphones.


You've probably seen this one, it's pretty infamous... but in case you missed it here's Bambam unaware that a microphone is hot while talking to the Russians :


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Obama : "On all these issues, but particularly missile defence, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space."
Medvedev : "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you …"
Obama : "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."
Medvedev : "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir [Putin]."

[Gunny]

Gunny, I believe I had you supervising the border (ALL BORDERS) and Old Salt controlling the VA but since you explained what you'd do.....I'm giving VA duties to you cuz that racket most definitely needs a shovel (or a boot in the @$$). My grandfather was so un-important there and NO soldier should feel un-important or expendable!!! Like so many, those SOB's & that SOW in our White House, practically killed or helped kill our dear friend we lost last year (in my humble opinion). Yep, with your plan of what needs to be done.....the VA is now your JOB!!! I'll have you and Ben Carson working closely together to get that racket cleaned up. Old Salt can then focus on tech issues.

:salute:

Mexico just voted "no" for you. :laugh: I'd arm our border like we were at war.

[gabosaurus]

I would love to send Gunny, Nightrain and RedState down to negotiate with the drug cartels. That would be bad ass.

[red state]

Mexico just voted "no" for you. :laugh: I'd arm our border like we were at war.

OK....you got your old offer back. HA! I've said for YEARS that the border should be looked upon as a war zone. If you & I trespass on certain gov. grounds.....we are likely to be SHOT and ask questions later. I feel that what is good for the goose is good for the Hispanic Gander. Why are we stripped searched (without a warrant) in airports YET illegal border invaders travel freely (often times with illegal driver's licenses)?! Yep, put up signs in Spanish, French and/or likely offender's languages, UNIVERSAL graphics (AFTER putting up a high voltage breech sensitive fence) and SHOOT on site those destroying American property.

IF we can't do it by any other means.......put DC, the White House and ALL other gov. business on the borders and see if it goes unprotected. HA!!!

Gunny, I've even said that war "practice" should be conducted on the borders in FULL SCALE & GLORY to combat illegal drugs and human trafficking.

I had a client in CA. (les blinkhorn) who was a member of a civilian border patrol group and, for the life of me, I don't know why the big ranchers (especially in TX) can't form a "cattleman association" rule/law/advisory where they protect each other's property. Some will be arrested but if we ALL pitch in and participate.....THEY can't arrest all of us!!!!!!! THEY would probably come down hard on US and kill US as they should be doing to the illegal border invaders (who, for a larger number of them, come to rape, rob and plunder).

Yep, you got the job......if ever I'm president. I'd be an Andrew Jackson (only toward those here illegally).

[Perianne]

In lawsuits, the loser pays all costs to both litigants.