".......Think the debate knocked Donald Trump out of first place? Ha! "

[LongTermGuy]

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/_49i9Kzg6s2u_gMH4OPuDgqGFBE=/0x0:3000x2000/1280x720/filters:format(webp)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/46933256/GettyImages-483201940.0.0.jpg

"Yet four new polls have come out since the debate, and all of them show Trump remaining at the front of the GOP pack."

"A Reuters/Ipsos poll (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/10/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKCN0QF1WL20150810?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter) found Trump's support unchanged from the week prior to the debate, at 24 percent, with his nearest rival being Jeb Bush, at 12 percent. A poll from Morning Consult (http://morningconsult.com/2015/08/trumps-lead-grows-after-debate-controversy/) actually found Trump's support increasing 7 points after the debate, to 32 percent (with Bush in second, at 11 percent). And an NBC/Survey Monkey poll (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/NBC-SM%20Post%20Debate%20Poll%208%2009%2015.pdf)found Trump at 23 percent, with his closest competitor Ted Cruz, at 13 percent."
All of these polls were conducted via internet, not by phone. But poll analysts have argued that sophisticated internet polling is worth taking seriously, with SurveyMonkey's operation (run by Jon Cohen (https://www.surveymonkey.com/blog/2014/01/06/welcome-jon-cohen/), the former head of polling at the Washington Post) coming in for particular praise:
Context for new NBC poll - Cohen is serious & quality online polls now easily rival phone on accuracy. Don't dismisshttps://t.co/igZ43FC8Aq

A fourth post-debate poll from Public Policy Polling (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_IA_81015.pdf) surveyed Iowa Republicans and found Trump remaining in first place there, too. This is a phone robo-poll run by a Democratic-aligned firm, and it found Trump leading at 19 percent, and Ben Carson and Scott Walker tied for second with 12 percent each."

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/10/9127907/donald-trump-debate-polls


`Get This Party Started `


:coffee:

http://www.swingtimegolfusa.com/swingtime/images/donaldtrump-helicopter.jpg

"I Depend On No One"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bud743iJMsQ

[Gunny]

https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/_49i9Kzg6s2u_gMH4OPuDgqGFBE=/0x0:3000x2000/1280x720/filters:format(webp)/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/46933256/GettyImages-483201940.0.0.jpg

"Yet four new polls have come out since the debate, and all of them show Trump remaining at the front of the GOP pack."

"A Reuters/Ipsos poll (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/10/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKCN0QF1WL20150810?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter) found Trump's support unchanged from the week prior to the debate, at 24 percent, with his nearest rival being Jeb Bush, at 12 percent. A poll from Morning Consult (http://morningconsult.com/2015/08/trumps-lead-grows-after-debate-controversy/) actually found Trump's support increasing 7 points after the debate, to 32 percent (with Bush in second, at 11 percent). And an NBC/Survey Monkey poll (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/NBC-SM%20Post%20Debate%20Poll%208%2009%2015.pdf)found Trump at 23 percent, with his closest competitor Ted Cruz, at 13 percent."
All of these polls were conducted via internet, not by phone. But poll analysts have argued that sophisticated internet polling is worth taking seriously, with SurveyMonkey's operation (run by Jon Cohen (https://www.surveymonkey.com/blog/2014/01/06/welcome-jon-cohen/), the former head of polling at the Washington Post) coming in for particular praise:
Context for new NBC poll - Cohen is serious & quality online polls now easily rival phone on accuracy. Don't dismisshttps://t.co/igZ43FC8Aq

A fourth post-debate poll from Public Policy Polling (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_IA_81015.pdf) surveyed Iowa Republicans and found Trump remaining in first place there, too. This is a phone robo-poll run by a Democratic-aligned firm, and it found Trump leading at 19 percent, and Ben Carson and Scott Walker tied for second with 12 percent each."

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/10/9127907/donald-trump-debate-polls


`Get This Party Started `


:coffee:

http://www.swingtimegolfusa.com/swingtime/images/donaldtrump-helicopter.jpg

"I Depend On No One"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bud743iJMsQ


His money can only buy him so far. Unless you're for sale.

[Balu]

You are funny, Americans.
See to the end the clip you are feeding all the time - Liberals or Conservatives.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztstTo3dVp4

You are enjoining this pottage? - Nobody will care. You deserve it. And NO need to growl about YOUR Obama and pederasts. :laugh:

[Perianne]

You are funny, Americans.
See to the end the clip you are feeding all the time - Liberals or Conservatives.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztstTo3dVp4

You are enjoining this pottage? - Nobody will care. You deserve it. And NO need to growl about YOUR Obama and pederasts. :laugh:

Hahahahaha!

[LongTermGuy]

His money can only buy him so far. Unless you're for sale.


better than being a Broke Dependent WEAK DICK.....

His mind-set and "Independence" will get him farther .....

[LongTermGuy]

You are funny, Americans.
See to the end the clip you are feeding all the time - Liberals or Conservatives.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztstTo3dVp4

You are enjoining this pottage? - Nobody will care. You deserve it. And NO need to growl about YOUR Obama and pederasts. :laugh:


Better than Killing each other you little Commie bastard you!:laugh:

[gabosaurus]

Trump reminds me of a Japanese soldier. They thought they were winning the war. Right up until they lost.
Because no one bothered to tell them otherwise. :cool:

[Gunny]

better than being a Broke Dependent WEAK DICK.....

His mind-set and "Independence" will get him farther .....

You think he's going to change that? What about his mindset as a pro-choice democrat? Conveniently left out?

I think I'd rather be broke than depend on his loud-mouthed sorry ass. He's a liar and the fools around this country are buying it.

[LongTermGuy]

You think he's going to change that? What about his mindset as a pro-choice democrat? Conveniently left out?

I think I'd rather be broke than depend on his loud-mouthed sorry ass. He's a liar and the fools around this country are buying it.

....Your way behind ...Everybody changes in This life and we all Evolve and Learn....I used to be a

DUMBFOCK Democrat stinKin (Liberal) ME! Of all people!....But I learned..as things change and the Times change.....Just the way it is...people learn...No one starts out perfect not you me or anybody...


Trump dont depend on anyone.....and doesn't have to do this....but he chooses too...I don give a fuck how many names ignorant jealous...stupid broke dicks who caint find a life Call him....it wont make a difference...and nothing they can do about it....so Piss on `em all...:dance:most people like him...

Nobody comes even close....Maybe broke Cruz....he can be VP.....:cool:

[gabosaurus]

Two important things for GOP voters to consider:

1 -- Until five years ago, most of Trump's political contributions went to Democrats.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/07/28/426888268/donald-trumps-flipping-political-donations

2. Trump has flip-flopped his political support often and can easily do it again.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/trump-a-republican-for-now-908431

[LongTermGuy]

Two important things for GOP voters to consider:

1 -- Until five years ago, most of Trump's political contributions went to Democrats.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/07/28/426888268/donald-trumps-flipping-political-donations

2. Trump has flip-flopped his political support often and can easily do it again.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/trump-a-republican-for-now-908431


They huff and the Puff trying to Blow the Trump house down...with fool and old Leftist talking points...Times change Life changes....bet you shit in your pants once...but it dont make you a bad person...and moved on..BTW...Hillary is a deceitful loser ...

The 10 Biggest Media Lies About Donald Trump


http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/trump-biggest-media-lies/2015/07/25/id/658877/

[Gunny]

They huff and the Puff trying to Blow the Trump house down...with fool and old Leftist talking points...Times change Life changes....bet you shit in your pants once...but it dont make you a bad person...and moved on..BTW...Hillary is a deceitful loser ...

The 10 Biggest Media Lies About Donald Trump


http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/trump-biggest-media-lies/2015/07/25/id/658877/

I go by what comes out of his mouth.

[Jeff]

Trump reminds me of a Japanese soldier. They thought they were winning the war. Right up until they lost.
Because no one bothered to tell them otherwise. :cool:

Problem is, the polls say he is winning it's not his doings or imagination.

Trump is quickly turning into everyone's worst fears, the Dems hate him because they have no one that can beat him, that is exactly why Slick Willy is in the Bush camp ( yea the Clinton's feel like they can beat him ) and the Republicans dislike him because he is blowing all the other candidates out of the water. Then you have folks like myself that feel he isn't serious, that he will never see it through, but if he does I personally like the don't "F" with me attitude, it is what this country needs, and yes he is slowly starting to look like a serious contender to me.

As for him being a liar, what politician isn't ?

And as for his way with woman, well Obama is a Muslim and hopefully by now we all know how the Muslims feels about and treat woman, and OL slick Willy, yea y'all remember him, a real class act to all woman I would say.

[gabosaurus]

Trump supporters are delusional if they believe he can win a general election. There is no way Trump can take more than 20 percent of the vote.
As it stands now, Trump would lose 80 percent of the female vote and 90 percent of the minority vote. No candidate can win an election like that.
Trump's only stronghold is the far right. I don't see the age 45 and over white male voting block swinging any future elections.

GOP voters need to consider electability. Only a moderate Republican has a chance to beat anyone the Dems put up.

[Balu]

Hahahahaha!
Thank you for your understanding WHO YOU ARE with YOUR 2 Party election system where YOUR PARTICULAR voice means NOTHING! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/he_and_she/give_rose.gif

[Balu]

Better than Killing each other you little Commie bastard you!:laugh:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

Take off your blinders, American. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif

[indago]

Thank you for your understanding WHO YOU ARE with YOUR 2 Party election system where YOUR PARTICULAR voice means NOTHING! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/he_and_she/give_rose.gif

Much like "YOUR PARTICULAR voice means NOTHING" where you are...

[Balu]

ME, YOU did Dresden and NAGASAKI. The same WE ARE ABLE to do with YOU, Americans -I will not care of you and others but my Friend Robert. He will be the only I'll yearn, looking to a Sun Set at the lake.

[namvet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ztstTo3dVp4

Balu trying to screw his boyfriend

[namvet]

ME, YOU did Dresden and NAGASAKI. The same WE ARE ABLE to do with YOU, Americans -I will not care of you and others but my Friend Robert. He will be the only I'll yearn, looking to a Sun Set at the lake.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgm3lb9JUU0&feature=youtu.be

[namvet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE

Take off your blinders, American. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif

Stalin: 14 million. worse that Hitler. leave you blinders on ape

[Abbey Marie]

ME, YOU did Dresden and NAGASAKI. The same WE ARE ABLE to do with YOU, Americans -I will not care of you and others but my Friend Robert. He will be the only I'll yearn, looking to a Sun Set at the lake.
The gloves appear to be off.

[Kathianne]

The gloves appear to be off.

It's a new war, but little coverage. :laugh2:

[Perianne]

Balu appears to be a different person now.

[Abbey Marie]

Balu appears to be a different person now.

I was thinking the same thing

[Balu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgm3lb9JUU0&feature=youtu.be

TRUE.
I hate pederasts. And NEVER let them be on the streets with heir 'parades' not to influence their so-called 'Culture' to MY grand children. The diseases to be treated but not distributed.

[Drummond]

Balu appears to be a different person now.

To be fair .. it's refreshing, in its way. With just the one exception seemingly apparent .. we see that the imperatives in play are hostile ones. I'm all for seeing truth revealed.

[Balu]

Balu appears to be a different person now.

I am as I am. Once I've told about corpuscle wave-particle duality, if your know what I am speaking about. This is the 9-th course of a Soviet secondary school, for YOUR information.
P.S.
Unfortunately, I've not received yet YOUR impression and estimation of a film I gave you a link to.

[Drummond]

Much like "YOUR PARTICULAR voice means NOTHING" where you are...

America, and Americans, have a history of valuing freedom. They've fought wars in the service of this, and (WWII was a particular example, certainly in Europe) have known great losses, fighting an ally's cause ... when they COULD have walked away.

Compare that, Balu, with your history. Soviet empire-building, turning countries into satellite 'drones' of that empire, with 'Mother Russia' dominant. The Berlin Wall. Hungary, 1956. Czechoslovakia, 1968. Afghanistan, 1980. Your history speaks to CRUSHING the voices of freedom, as and where you can. Currently ... we have Ukraine, yearning to be free of Russia .. and Russia going in for land grabs and fomenting resistance to freedom, autonomy-centred, opposition to them. Russia has known sanctions to be applied to it because of its behaviour.

So when it comes to freedoms being voiced, America has a proud tradition of fighting FOR this. Your country has a seemingly 'proud' tradition of fighting AGAINST them.

And still, you won't learn. Your anti-Ukrainian thinking proves it, something you take pride in. Well .. thanks to Stalin, Ukraine, in its history, knew a form of 'holocaust' which actually killed more people than THE Holocaust we all know about, arranged by Hitler and his regime.

[Balu]

To be fair .. it's refreshing, in its way. With just the one exception seemingly apparent .. we see that the imperatives in play are hostile ones. I'm all for seeing truth revealed.

Make no mistakes and be frank as I am. You've never been friends of Russia Allies - yes. - But only when it was profitable to you

[Kathianne]

Make no mistakes and be frank as I am. You've never been friends of Russia Allies - yes. - But only when it was profitable to you
and vice versa. As it should be.

Countries decisions should be in their own self-interest. Diplomacy is the means to persuade them whatever, is in their best interests.

[Balu]

Stalin: 14 million. worse that Hitler. leave you blinders on ape
YOU counted, American?
Do Never suffer about your diarrhea when you drink from an unknown source. Your pants are dirty, American. You'd better take a shower.

[Balu]

and vice versa. As it should be.

Countries decisions should be in their own self-interest. Diplomacy is the means to persuade them whatever, is in their best interests.
True! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/he_and_she/give_rose.gif

[Drummond]

Make no mistakes and be frank as I am. You've never been friends of Russia Allies - yes. - But only when it was profitable to you

I'll be frank, certainly.

Russia's long history of despotism and unrestrained, unashamed empire-building doesn't exactly make it an easy task to think of you as friends !! Take the Berlin Wall, for example. We in the West 'greeted' it with shock, when it happened. It proved what mentality was dominant within the Soviet Union .. one of isolationism, and done in a hostile way. One where the East Germans were caught on the 'wrong' side of that fence, friends, even families, torn apart to satisfy a despotic whim of - ultimately - the Kremlin.

Your siting of missiles in Cuba wasn't something designed to encourage friendship from Americans, so far as I can see ... :rolleyes:

Balu, the answer's really simple, but it's one you and your country will never go for. Just GIVE UP all this imperialist expansionist thinking, give up trying to make your versions of threatening power grabs, and all the belligerence generally !! Give us reason to place some actual TRUST in you.

And, yes. I really think the seven million death toll in Ukraine should NOT be added to, by a single more death.

Let them have their freedom. No more land grabs. No more covert military presences there, no more fomenting rebel actions. Show us respect for freedom and an abandonment of belligerence. In such a climate, trust can grow.

In its absence, Balu, trust is throttled before it has any chance. With it, any loosening of long-standing enmities.

It's up to you and your fellow Russians (.. Putin permitting, of course !). Change your attitudes and behaviours. Show us that you can earn our trust.

[Perianne]

I am as I am. Once I've told about corpuscle wave-particle duality, if your know what I am speaking about. This is the 9-th course of a Soviet secondary school, for YOUR information.
P.S.
Unfortunately, I've not received yet YOUR impression and estimation of a film I gave you a link to.

I watched the first 15 minutes or so, but have yet to return to it. It looks like a reasonably enjoyable movie.

[NightTrain]

Make no mistakes and be frank as I am. You've never been friends of Russia Allies - yes. - But only when it was profitable to you


Not true, Balu.

Take a look at this list of what we gave Russia during WWII.

Some of these amounts are staggering : over $103 million dollars worth of butter was sent to you. Keep in mind that these prices were in WWII dollars.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/lend.html

[Drummond]

YOU counted, American?
Do Never suffer about your diarrhea when you drink from an unknown source. Your pants are dirty, American. You'd better take a shower.

Very 'friendly', I'm 'sure ... :rolleyes:

I think the post I've just placed on this thread gets to the nub of the matter, Balu. What drives each side are totally different motivations and goals. Putin - it's obvious to us all - yearns for something akin to the old Soviet Empire days, and his current target of choice is Ukraine. We in the West suspect he'll not stop there, given the chance.

Even our LEFTIE publications happily carry warnings about it ... for example ..

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/20/russia-existential-threat-british-nato-general


Russian expansionist ambitions could quickly become “an obvious existential threat to our whole being”, the most senior British military officer in Nato has said in a strongly worded speech.

General Sir Adrian Bradshaw, appointed last year as Nato’s deputy commander of forces in Europe, said the alliance needed to develop both fast-reacting conventional forces and capacities to counter Russian efforts at coercion and propaganda, as seen in Ukraine.


Talking of “an era of constant competition with Russia”, Bradshaw told an audience at the Royal United Services Institute that Nato had to maintain a cohesive system of deterrence on its eastern borders, something that would require help from the EU.

He said Nato was pushing ahead with plans for a very high readiness joint taskforce, “in order to convince Russia, or any other state adversary, that any attack on one Nato member will inevitably lead them into a conflict with the whole alliance”.


David Cameron has warned Vladimir Putin of “more consequences” if a ceasefire in Ukraine does not hold. Speaking on a visit to Govan shipyard in Glasgow on Friday, the prime minister said the responsibility for what had happened in Ukraine “lies absolutely squarely with Vladimir Putin and Russia”, and a strong response was needed.


Cameron said: “In terms of what Britain has done, we were the first country to say that Russia should be thrown out of the G8, and Russia was thrown out of the G8. We have been the strongest adherent that we need strong sanctions in Europe and we’ve pushed for those, achieved those and held on to those at every single occasion.


“What we need to do now is to deliver the strongest possible message to Putin and to Russia that what has happened is unacceptable, that the ceasefires need to hold and if they don’t there will be more consequences, more sanctions, more measures.”


In his speech, Bradshaw described Russia’s tactics as a “hybrid combination”, using fast-generated conventional military forces as well as “subversion by a number of means, both military and non-military”.

Your people are creating all of this. You COULD stop. You're choosing not to.

We have a right to see dangers as they evolve, and react as we must.

[Drummond]

Not true, Balu.

Take a look at this list of what we gave Russia during WWII.

Some of these amounts are staggering : over $103 million dollars worth of butter was sent to you. Keep in mind that these prices were in WWII dollars.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/lend.html:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Balu]

Not true, Balu.

Take a look at this list of what we gave Russia during WWII.

Some of these amounts are staggering : over $103 million dollars worth of butter was sent to you. Keep in mind that these prices were in WWII dollars.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/pearl/www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/lend.html
We PAID for it by GOLD to you, American, and by the blood for OUR independence fighting ALONE against prefiguration of the present EU.
I have 2 volumes of correspondence exchange between Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill of that time on the subject of opening a 'Second front'. Do you know what our soldiers called a 'Second front', American? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif
So..., read again my signature. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif

[Balu]

I watched the first 15 minutes or so, but have yet to return to it. It looks like a reasonably enjoyable movie.
Thank you! Hope you'll enjoy it. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/he_and_she/give_rose.gif

[Kathianne]

We PAID for it by GOLD to you, American, and by the blood for OUR independence fighting ALONE against prefiguration of the present EU.
I have 2 volumes of correspondence exchange between Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill of that time on the subject of opening a 'Second front'. Do you know what our soldiers called a 'Second front', American? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif
So..., read again my signature. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif

At first with Lend-Lease, that was true. Didn't last long.

http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/article/2010/05/20100518114619zjsredna0.3529736.html#axzz3igSOvnjc


...

Aid to the Soviet Union

At the time the Lend-Lease Act was debated in Congress, the sympathies of America were with Great Britain, which almost singlehandedly resisted the German offensive. Communist Russia, on the other hand, was looked upon with much distrust. After the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact in 1939, Russia was perceived by many as a collaborator and potential ally of Germany. But President Roosevelt believed Germany would sooner or later turn against Soviet Russia and sought language in the Lend-Lease Act that would to allow him to extend the program to other countries, including the Soviet Union. Shipments to Russia — at first paid for with Russian gold — started shortly after the German invasion in June 1941. By late 1941 there was a visible surge of support in America for the Soviet war effort and a growing respect for the sacrifice and determination of the Soviet people. The country was formally added to the Lend-Lease list in November 1941 and became the second largest recipient (after the British Commonwealth) of munitions and other materials valued at $11.3 billion. About a quarter of this aid was in the form of munitions and 75 percent consisted of industrial equipment, raw materials and food.

...

Reverse lend-lease


The United States was not only a donor but also a recipient of foreign aid during World War II. The system of “reverse lend-lease” was established to partly offset the costs of American deliveries. The reciprocal assistance usually took the form of supplies and services for U.S. troops stationed throughout the world, as well as repair and maintenance of their equipment. During the war the United States received from its allies services and products valued at over $ 5.6 billion. Most of this cash-less reciprocal aid came from the countries of the British Commonwealth. Since few American soldiers were stationed in the Soviet Union, there was little occasion for this kind of repayment, but the Soviet Union repaired U.S. merchant ships, provided access to some military air fields, and temporarily hosted a number of American pilots and mariners. The total value of reverse lend-lease provided by the U.S.S.R. has been valued at about $2,140,000.

...


Repayment


The Lend-Lease Act made it clear that U.S. aid was a “lease,” not a gift. It was supposed to cease with the end of the war and some form of repayment was expected. The mode of repayment, however, was deliberately left unspecified, and the president could negotiate it separately with each recipient country. Part of the U.S. expenditures was covered through reverse lend-lease. Equipment lost or destroyed in battle was considered a common loss. After the termination of the program, large quantities of lend-lease goods were sold to Great Britain at about 10 cents on the dollar, to be paid off over 60 years at 2 percent interest. The last British payment on the loan was made on December 29, 2006. In 1972 the United States accepted an offer by the Soviet Union to pay $722 million in installments to settle its indebtedness. In general, a large portion of the U.S. Lend-Lease aid was simply written off. Both Roosevelt and his successor Truman considered the fighting and sacrifice of the Allied soldiers to be sufficient repayment.

...

[Balu]

At first with Lend-Lease, that was true. Didn't last long.

http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/article/2010/05/20100518114619zjsredna0.3529736.html#axzz3igSOvnjc
There were different TERMS and CONDITIONS between your and British aid.
Your are not a card player for sure. But in Russia there is a stable term when playing card game preference - 'an American aid'.
An American aid has become a household name in Russia.

[Gunny]

There were different TERMS and CONDITIONS between your and British aid.
Your are not a card player for sure. But in Russia there is a stable term when playing card game preference - 'an American aid'.
An American aid has become a household name in Russia.

You want to play lend-lease with me and Kat? Bring it commie. You'll be running from THIS history lesson.

The fact is, your boy Stalin whined his ass off about support from us. That was after his great deal with Hitler fell through.

[Drummond]

I believe you respect candid language ? Blunt expression ? OK, I've something to offer you which you can show some respect for.

Balu, I'm sure you won't choose to remember, or acknowledge, this truth. But the TRUTH is that the Soviet Union was allied to Hitler's Germany at the outset. This arrangement only changed because Hitler reneged on it. Stalin, by his own choice, DID NOT.

Indeed, he was reported as being shocked by Hitler's turnaround. At first, he even refused to believe it.

Stalin changed sides, Balu, because he had no realistic choice in the matter. Now, in consideration of this, Balu, do you really not think that the Americans showed you a truly remarkably extent of generosity ??

How did you repay that generosity, Balu ? By creating Cold War conditions, that's how !! By hiving off the Soviet Union, erecting your barrier(s) to the West, and building a nuclear arsenal intended either to equal or be better than the one the Americans were forced to have, to DEFEND against you !!

And then there was Cuba. The siting of nuclear missiles so close to American territory that any attack couldn't, by the technologies existing in that age, have been reacted to in any useful time at all. Russia created FIRST STRIKE conditions, obviously intending the worst extreme of belligerence possible.

We in the West saw, and were appalled by, the ruthless Russian moves not only to create its Empire, not only to convert whole countries and economies into effectively 'slave drones' serving Mother Russia's interests, but how you moved to crush dissent. I've cited examples: Hungary, 1956; Czechoslovakia, 1968; and your Empire's new addition, Afghanistan, in 1980. Twelve year gaps, then you became belligerent, almost as though according to a preset expansionist, consolidating agenda.

Americans believe in freedom. You believe in crushing it, and ruthlessly. Little wonder that Ronald Reagan dubbed you the 'Evil Empire' !!

So, Balu -- drop the 'We have a right to be offended and to expect better from the West' routine .. it doesn't wash. Your country shuns true friendship, and your chance at that, by maintaining a level of belligerence that civilised and decent conduct can never call for.

You COULD change all of that, if you invest time and effort to do so. You CHOOSE not to.

It's up to you, on your side, to show us once and for all that you can really, genuinely, be a trusted friend. Proof of that would win you friendship. But lack of it cannot help but earn you its very opposite.

Your country has done much to create these conditions. It seems no less than reasonable to expect it to do much to reverse them.

Showing Ukraine that you'll respect her freedoms and leave her alone would be a definite start.

What do you think, Balu ? Are my words falling on deaf ears ??

[namvet]

YOU counted, American?
Do Never suffer about your diarrhea when you drink from an unknown source. Your pants are dirty, American. You'd better take a shower.

Patton was right. we should have backed the Nazi and exterminated you mongoloid Russian bastards

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here mongoloid. your food is ready

[Drummond]

Patton was right. we should have backed the Nazi and exterminated you mongoloid Russian bastards

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here mongoloid. your food is ready

I get where you're coming from.

Even so, being on the Nazi side .. quite apart from, if it had ever happened, its making you enemies of the British, and friends of those who'd mercilessly bombed London .. would have inevitably involved your backing the 'people' who arranged the Holocaustal slaughter of six million Jews. Not the best of allegiances, I'd have thought.

I don't think siding with Japan's allies would've been a great move, either, come to think of it ...

[namvet]

I get where you're coming from.

Even so, being on the Nazi side .. quite apart from, if it had ever happened, its making you enemies of the British, and friends of those who'd mercilessly bombed London .. would have inevitably involved your backing the 'people' who arranged the Holocaustal slaughter of six million Jews. Not the best of allegiances, I'd have thought.

I don't think siding with Japan's allies would've been a great move, either, come to think of it ...

your right. it was far better to fight a cold war for years as well as globally and allow communism to spread.

[Gunny]

I believe you respect candid language ? Blunt expression ? OK, I've something to offer you which you can show some respect for.

Balu, I'm sure you won't choose to remember, or acknowledge, this truth. But the TRUTH is that the Soviet Union was allied to Hitler's Germany at the outset. This arrangement only changed because Hitler reneged on it. Stalin, by his own choice, DID NOT.

Indeed, he was reported as being shocked by Hitler's turnaround. At first, he even refused to believe it.

Stalin changed sides, Balu, because he had no realistic choice in the matter. Now, in consideration of this, Balu, do you really not think that the Americans showed you a truly remarkably extent of generosity ??

How did you repay that generosity, Balu ? By creating Cold War conditions, that's how !! By hiving off the Soviet Union, erecting your barrier(s) to the West, and building a nuclear arsenal intended either to equal or be better than the one the Americans were forced to have, to DEFEND against you !!

And then there was Cuba. The siting of nuclear missiles so close to American territory that any attack couldn't, by the technologies existing in that age, have been reacted to in any useful time at all. Russia created FIRST STRIKE conditions, obviously intending the worst extreme of belligerence possible.

We in the West saw, and were appalled by, the ruthless Russian moves not only to create its Empire, not only to convert whole countries and economies into effectively 'slave drones' serving Mother Russia's interests, but how you moved to crush dissent. I've cited examples: Hungary, 1956; Czechoslovakia, 1968; and your Empire's new addition, Afghanistan, in 1980. Twelve year gaps, then you became belligerent, almost as though according to a preset expansionist, consolidating agenda.

Americans believe in freedom. You believe in crushing it, and ruthlessly. Little wonder that Ronald Reagan dubbed you the 'Evil Empire' !!

So, Balu -- drop the 'We have a right to be offended and to expect better from the West' routine .. it doesn't wash. Your country shuns true friendship, and your chance at that, by maintaining a level of belligerence that civilised and decent conduct can never call for.

You COULD change all of that, if you invest time and effort to do so. You CHOOSE not to.

It's up to you, on your side, to show us once and for all that you can really, genuinely, be a trusted friend. Proof of that would win you friendship. But lack of it cannot help but earn you its very opposite.

Your country has done much to create these conditions. It seems no less than reasonable to expect it to do much to reverse them.

Showing Ukraine that you'll respect her freedoms and leave her alone would be a definite start.

What do you think, Balu ? Are my words falling on deaf ears ??

NO one was more surprised than Stalin. He thought he and Hitler were going to divide Europe. They even DID divide Poland and the Latvian states.

[Gunny]

Patton was right. we should have backed the Nazi and exterminated you mongoloid Russian bastards

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here mongoloid. your food is ready

Dude, you sound like me when I fall off the wagon. It's not worth it. Let it go.

[Drummond]

your right. it was far better to fight a cold war for years as well as globally and allow communism to spread.

So, you think that allying yourself to Britain's enemies would've been preferable ?

What about Hitler's concentration camps ? What about Auschwitz ? You'd ally yourself to a power that ran extermination camps, and think that to be acceptable ?

Here's a thought .... let's say you'd aided Hitler's forces, in exactly the way you suggest. The effect on Germany's position would've been to free up some of Hitler's resources, make it easier for him to devote less to the effort of fighting Russia.

So, what do you think he'd have done with those extra freed-up resources ?

Increased efforts to exterminate Jews, perhaps ? Would your intervention on his side have meant history recording not SIX million dead Jews, but, say, EIGHT MILLION ? NINE MILLION ? MORE ?

Would you have been content to see history record the United States of America as being a country that helped facilitate racially-motivated genocide ?

That's just one scenario. Others can be imagined. With his newly-available resources, what if he'd decided to launch another attack elsewhere ? Say, against Britain, succeeding in overrunning us, and expanding his hold on European territory. He already had the Channel Islands. Why not move westwards, instead of concentrating everything he had eastwards ?

[Perhaps, had your preference become historic fact, I'd be communicating with you today in broken English, with German as my first, 'natural', language ?]

.. and, here's a thought for you ... with more victories, and more territory taken thanks to your helpful input, he'd have gained more resources, expanded his power base. HE'D ALREADY BETRAYED RUSSIA. WHY NOT, WHEN YOUR USEFULNESS WAS ENDED, BETRAY YOU ... MAYBE, EVEN ATTACK YOU, WITH THE HELP OF HIS OTHER ALLIES, YOUR ENEMIES, THE JAPANESE ??

Stalin learned not to trust Hitler. Why would YOU choose to, with that lesson to be learned ?

LATE EDIT .. AN AFTERTHOUGHT.

History records that Hitler's scientists had looked into the possibility of creating their own nuclear bomb. Unless I'm much mistaken, didn't they have their own heavy-water producing facilities ? What if some of the effect of your making things easier for Hitler had been to help his Third Reich get its own atomic bombs ?

Would Nazis with A-bombs have been something GOOD for the world ? Or not ? What if, years hence, with a smashed Russia, the nuclear Superpowers had become America and the expanded Nazi Empire ?