~ "Megyn Kelly, Fox News under fire on social media with allegations of bias" ~

[LongTermGuy]

Kelly was slammed on her Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/MegynKelly?fref=ts) page by visitors unhappy with her performance. "You were rude, biased, unprofessional and nasty last night," one person said Friday. "I will never watch your show again."
"You looked small tonight Megyn," another person added. "Your top rated just took a major hit by virtue of your classless, and biased, gotcha of Trump."
The Gateway Pundit's Jim Hoft observed (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/08/biggest-debate-losers-by-unanimous-vote-biased-foxnews-cranks/) that the "New York Times" praised the Fox moderators for their debate performance. "Shame on you, FOX," he wrote.

http://www.examiner.com/article/megyn-kelly-fox-news-under-fire-on-social-media-with-allegations-of-bias

[Kathianne]

Indeed, Trump is very angry. :coffee: Lindsay Graham came to his defense. :laugh:
No mention though of the litany of Bush's misspeaks, Carson's lack of foreign affairs knowledge, Cruz's statements on GOP leadership...

The questions were hard on all, the focus though was on the person in front...

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/trump-goes-to-war-with-fox-news-gop-debate


August 07, 2015, 11:53 am Trump goes to war with Fox News


By Jordain Carney

Donald Trump is going to war with Fox News after receiving a series of pointed, at times aggressive, questions during Thursday night’s presidential debate.

The businessman and 2016 candidate is throwing rhetorical bombs in the wake of the debate,taking to Twitter (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/250560-trump-hits-critics-in-late-night-twitter-rant) and television to fire back at the conservative news network and Megyn Kelly, who was one of the debate moderators.

“I really enjoyed the debate tonight even though the @FoxNews trio, especially @megynkelly, was not very good or professional!,” Trump, currently leading the packed Republican field in the polls, said on Twitter early Friday morning, as part of a roughly two-hour rant against the network. The tweets come after Trump was grilled during the debate. He faced a series of tough questions from the moderators on his business history, his tendency to make outlandish comments and previous support for liberal positions, including a single-payer healthcare system.

But it was an aggressive back-and-forth with Kelly on his comments about women that caught the most attention.

Asked about calling women "fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals," Trump fired back, “If you don’t like it, I’m sorry. I’ve been very nice to you, although I could probably maybe not be, based on the way you have treated me. But I wouldn’t do that.”

He later added on Twitter, “@FrankLuntz is a low class slob who came to my office looking for consulting work and I had zero interest. Now he picks anti-Trump panels!”

On Fox News, Luntz led a focus group of Republican voters after the debate who gave deeply negative feedback on Trump, who dominated the other nine candidates in terms of speaking time. One focus group participant said Trump “just crashed and burned. He was mean, he was angry, he had no specifics, he was bombastic.”

Michael Cohen, an adviser for Trump, said the focus group was “a total setup” aimed at knocking Trump down in the polls.
Later, Cohen went further, saying that the network or Republican National Committee may have been part of a "coordinated" effort to slow down Trump's momentum.

"I don't know if it was the RNC, or Fox, or whoever, but it certainly appeared to look like an organized attack," Cohen told Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-campaign-fox-news-debate-attack-megyn-kelly-2015-8).

"Obviously, somebody, you know, doesn't want him to continue to rise in the polls. They need to figure out how to stop this movement," Cohen added, claiming someone wanted to promote a "negative narrative" about Trump.

Despite taking a few hits during the debate, the verbal sparring played to Trump’s base and sparked a firestorm of criticism for Kelly, Luntz and Fox News among Trump’s supporters on Twitter.

Never one to shy away from controversy, Trump appeared eager to ride that backlash, retweeting a string of negative comments including one that accused Kelly of an “attempted hatchet job” against Trump, and another that called her a “bimbo (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/250552-trump-endorses-tweet-calling-megyn-kelly-a-bimbo).”

The rhetorical battling — both on the debate stage and off — marked a sharp schism between the 2016 candidate and the conservative network.

Kelly has so far refused to fire back on Twitter, but Trump continued to beat the drum on Friday, suggesting that the debate moderators singled him out and went easier on the other nine presidential candidates.

"I'm very surprised at Fox News that they would do that because, you know, I would say it's pretty unprofessional," he said during an interview with MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

Trump got support from an unlikely ally on Friday: Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who is also running for president.

The two Republicans have been in their own bitter war of words after Trump questioned Sen. John McCain’s war record. Graham retaliated by calling the businessman a “jackass” and Trump fired back by giving out Graham’s cell phone number.

But the South Carolina Republican told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that the debate, which he didn’t participate in, “was more of an inquisition than it was a debate.”

“At the end of the day, ask the man a question that explains his position and his solutions rather than a 10-minute question that describes him as the biggest bastard on the planet,” Graham added.

[Drummond]

Indeed, Trump is very angry. :coffee: Lindsay Graham came to his defense. :laugh:
No mention though of the litany of Bush's misspeaks, Carson's lack of foreign affairs knowledge, Cruz's statements on GOP leadership...

The questions were hard on all, the focus though was on the person in front...

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/trump-goes-to-war-with-fox-news-gop-debate

I have a funny feeling that the BBC's whole approach will change in the coming weeks.

So far, their coverage has been more low-key than usual (and one broadcast concentrated on the Dems for most of it, even though they were MEANT to be doing the opposite ..). But the more outspoken and unwilling to give ground Trump will prove himself to be, the more they'll start to paint him as a maverick / extremist, and by inference, the GOP as an unbalanced and unfit political force in America.

I know how the BBC operates. I'd bet I am absolutely right, and that we won't have long to wait before proof starts appearing in nightly 'news' coverages. Probably the Andrew Marr show (every Sunday morning, 9AM our time, BBC-1) will find a way of 'intellectually' putting the boot in ... not him personally, but the guests he'll invite on the show ....

Andrew Marr took over that slot from David Frost, when Frost defected to Al Jazeera. I wonder if Frost, if he were alive today, would feel kindly towards his successor.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Indeed, Trump is very angry. :coffee: Lindsay Graham came to his defense. :laugh:
No mention though of the litany of Bush's misspeaks, Carson's lack of foreign affairs knowledge, Cruz's statements on GOP leadership...

The questions were hard on all, the focus though was on the person in front...

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/trump-goes-to-war-with-fox-news-gop-debate
Righteous anger is a strong weapon and well respected by decent people! Lets hope America still has enough such people to survive as I now have grave doubts on that myself! -Tyr

[Kathianne]

Righteous anger is a strong weapon and well respected by decent people! Lets hope America still has enough such people to survive as I now have grave doubts on that myself! -Tyr

I'm pretty sure that Kelly isn't a Republican. As I said I think to Abbey, she seems to me the ultimate mean girl. With that said, her anger about Trump using misogynist language towards women? Yes, he seems a lot like Tailfins.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'm pretty sure that Kelly isn't a Republican. As I said I think to Abbey, she seems to me the ultimate mean girl. With that said, her anger about Trump using misogynist language towards women? Yes, he seems a lot like Tailfins.

No way. He is not like TF.
AND HIS CALLING THAT FAT PIG, A FAT PIG , WAS RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT I'D SAY MYSELF ABOUT.
A very apt description if you ask me ...
Honesty and accuracy are highly prized attributes my friend, at least in my book they are.....
By the way, I am pretty damn sure myself, that I am not a misogynist..
If speaking honestly , even though it may be rudely, qualifies me as ONE, I'LL WEAR IT PROUDLY MY FRIEND. TYR

[LongTermGuy]

Meanwhile...Back in La La Land....:laugh:https://s1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/WEvNwy8D5LSUfy11i6knmQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTU0MDtpbD1wbGFuZTtweW 9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/gma/us.abcnews.gma.com/HT_Kim_Kardashian_Hillary_Clinton_bc_150807_16x9_9 92.jpg

`During the debate, Kardashian tweeted she was “excited to be meeting our next President tonight!! Maybe she’ll take a selfie with me.”

Excited to be meeting our next President tonight!! Maybe she'll take a selfie with me!pic.twitter.com/y0fZtvlmQK (http://t.co/y0fZtvlmQK)

— Kim Kardashian West (@KimKardashian) August 7, 2015 (https://twitter.com/KimKardashian/status/629463311688470528)
Kardashian, it turns out, was on her way to a fundraiser for Clinton, hosted by Scooter Braun -– the music manager of Justin Bieber (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/entertainment/music/justin-bieber.htm) and Ariana Grande (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/entertainment/actresses/ariana-grande.htm).

A few hours later, she did indeed get her selfie. Kanye, included.`


*Hillary's Quote of the Year......

`When asked of her accomplishments as Sec. of State, Hillary replied:

“My accomplishments as Secretary of State? Well, I'm glad you asked! My proudest accomplishment in which I take the most pride, mostly because of the opposition it faced early on, you know… the remnants of prior situations and mindsets that were too narrowly focused in a manner whereby they may have overlooked the bigger picture and we didn’t do that and I’m proud of that. Very proud. I would say that’s a major accomplishment.”

- Hillary Clinton 11 March 2014 `


https://gma.yahoo.com/kim-kardashian-gets-selfie-hillary-clinton-044235608--abc-news-celebrities.html

[Kathianne]

No way. He is not like TF.
AND HIS CALLING THAT FAT PIG, A FAT PIG , WAS RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT I'D SAY MYSELF ABOUT.
A very apt description if you ask me ...
Honesty and accuracy are highly prized attributes my friend, at least in my book they are.....
By the way, I am pretty damn sure myself, that I am not a misogynist..
If speaking honestly , even though it may be rudely, qualifies me as ONE, I'LL WEAR IT PROUDLY MY FRIEND. TYR

The truth is you don't go on about women being such. You don't have a history of not liking women. When women are portrayed the way Trump and Tailfins have, they've earned the moniker.

Kelley realized women do want to know the candidates, especially the front runner. He has a history and it isn't just about Rosie O'Donnell and people do know that. Just to underscore where The Donald is on the maturity scale, he did just what Kelley said he'd do, got on Twitter and called her a bimbo.

Mean girl might be on mark, Bimbo isn't.

Actually Tyr, from everything I've seen about you, you'd more likely try to deck The Donald if you heard him talking about women like he does, if you were around.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Meanwhile...Back in La La Land....:laugh:https://s1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/WEvNwy8D5LSUfy11i6knmQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTU0MDtpbD1wbGFuZTtweW 9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/gma/us.abcnews.gma.com/HT_Kim_Kardashian_Hillary_Clinton_bc_150807_16x9_9 92.jpg

`During the debate, Kardashian tweeted she was “excited to be meeting our next President tonight!! Maybe she’ll take a selfie with me.”

Excited to be meeting our next President tonight!! Maybe she'll take a selfie with me!pic.twitter.com/y0fZtvlmQK (http://t.co/y0fZtvlmQK)

— Kim Kardashian West (@KimKardashian) August 7, 2015 (https://twitter.com/KimKardashian/status/629463311688470528)
Kardashian, it turns out, was on her way to a fundraiser for Clinton, hosted by Scooter Braun -– the music manager of Justin Bieber (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/entertainment/music/justin-bieber.htm) and Ariana Grande (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/entertainment/actresses/ariana-grande.htm).

A few hours later, she did indeed get her selfie. Kanye, included.`


*Hillary's Quote of the Year......

`When asked of her accomplishments as Sec. of State, Hillary replied:

“My accomplishments as Secretary of State? Well, I'm glad you asked! My proudest accomplishment in which I take the most pride, mostly because of the opposition it faced early on, you know… the remnants of prior situations and mindsets that were too narrowly focused in a manner whereby they may have overlooked the bigger picture and we didn’t do that and I’m proud of that. Very proud. I would say that’s a major accomplishment.”

- Hillary Clinton 11 March 2014 `


https://gma.yahoo.com/kim-kardashian-gets-selfie-hillary-clinton-044235608--abc-news-celebrities.html




Scum love scum. Whats new on that?
Both women scum and kanye is a piece of shit .-Tyr

[Black Diamond]

The truth is you don't go on about women being such. You don't have a history of not liking women. When women are portrayed the way Trump and Tailfins have, they've earned the moniker.

Kelley realized women do want to know the candidates, especially the front runner. He has a history and it isn't just about Rosie O'Donnell and people do know that. Just to underscore where The Donald is on the maturity scale, he did just what Kelley said he'd do, got on Twitter and called her a bimbo.

Mean girl might be on mark, Bimbo isn't.

Actually Tyr, from everything I've seen about you, you'd more likely try to deck The Donald if you heard him talking about women like he does, if you were around.
He went after Frank Luntz on twitter too.

[Black Diamond]

Scum love scum. Whats new on that?
Both women scum and kanye is a piece of shit .-Tyr

I thought that ass clown was leaving the United States

[Abbey Marie]

While it was most flagrantly directed at Trump, I thought Kelly was doing gotcha questions all night.

How's about we get to just learn about the candidates' positions and experience, this early in the campaign season?

Bimbo is silly and uncalled-for, but Kelly deserves a lot of criticism for her poor handling of the debate.

[Kathianne]

He went after Frank Luntz on twitter too.

I know. That's like going after the people that responded to him. LOL!

[Black Diamond]

While it was most flagrantly directed at Trump, I thought Kelly was doing gotcha questions all night.

How's about we get to just learn about the candidates' positions and experience this early in the campaign season?

Bimbo is silly and uncalled-for, but Kelly deserves a lot of criticism for her poor handling of the debate.

her show's ratings will skyrocket now. Or she will get a bigger show. Everyone knows who she is.

[Abbey Marie]

her show's ratings will skyrocket now. Or she will get a bigger show. Everyone knows who she is.


I don't know. Republicans are pretty ticked at her all over social media, and libs will never watch Fox News.

[Kathianne]

While it was most flagrantly directed at Trump, I thought Kelly was doing gotcha questions all night.

How's about we get to just learn about the candidates' positions and experience this early in the campaign season?

Bimbo is silly and uncalled-for, but Kelly deserves a lot of criticism for her poor handling of the debate.

Having read the transcript and seen much more of the debate, there's no doubt in my mind that they had decided to keep the responses off script as much as possible. I can't say I think that is a bad thing. It would be really good if the ratings lesson was learned by those that will be hosting the Democratic debates. This was good tv, good news reporting, and gave a much needed look at the candidates.

[LongTermGuy]

He went after Frank Luntz on twitter too.



And Deservingly so....Fat Boy is just mad at Trump:laugh:

.@FrankLuntz (https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz) is a low class slob who came to my office looking for consulting work and I had zero interest. Now he picks anti-Trump panels!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)August 7, 2015 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/629554738766479360)

“@FrankLuntz, your so-called ‘focus groups’ are a total joke. Don't come to my office looking for business again. You are a clown!” Trump tweeted (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/629558921779412992).
:dance: Look at that Face....

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2317813.1438936404!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/article-luntz-0806.jpg?enlarged

[Abbey Marie]

Having read the transcript and seen much more of the debate, there's no doubt in my mind that they had decided to keep the responses off script as much as possible. I can't say I think that is a bad thing. It would be really good if the ratings lesson was learned by those that will be hosting the Democratic debates. This was good tv, good news reporting, and gave a much needed look at the candidates.

I will agree that it gave me a look at how they will handle later attacks from the Dem nominee. But actual useful info? Not so much.

[Kathianne]

I will agree that it gave me a look at how they will handle later attacks from the Dem nominee. But actual useful info? Not so much.

Well I respectfully disagree. I learned more about Cruz and Rubio from their responses to the questions they couldn't have anticipated. I really think the whole debate took all of the candidates off their practice answers, with the exception of Trump, who I believe probably didn't practice at all. I do think he anticipated being asked about 3rd party, but not in that way.

[Black Diamond]

I don't know. Republicans are pretty ticked at her all over social media, and libs will never watch Fox News.

How long before she's one of the hosts on The View?

[LongTermGuy]

"Mostly" All the other Candidates are "broke" Choir boys looking for jobs compared to Trump and depend on "other peoples" money (donations) and influence...They can say this and that...but money talks and they are bonded to their contributors ....(if they take...they better be) Trump as a Business man has donated and controlled many puppets...*The cool thing is Trump doesn't have to do this...He see`s the country is falling apart...and must....

Trump is needed and `tough enough` to deal with the vile nasty...Deceitful cancer of Liberalism and the other viruses throughout the world...

[LongTermGuy]

[QUOTE=Abbey;754310]I don't know. Republicans are pretty ticked at her all over social media, and libs will never watch Fox News.[/QUO


` Abby....They will watch Fox news....But at-least the Fox News Brass knows whats going on now..

TRUST ME...Its just Kelly (who feels untouchable (self promoting) and maybe one other...They will just hold their noses for now...Maybe Hannity can spank her:laugh:....

[Thunderknuckles]

Actually Tyr, from everything I've seen about you, you'd more likely try to deck The Donald if you heard him talking about women like he does, if you were around.
The exception seems to be any woman with the temerity to question one's temperament for leadership based on past comments.

You know, saying stuff like a woman is a "piece of shit", "sold out scum", and deserving of a "fine ass stomping".
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?50971-Limbaugh-rips-Fox-News-for-war-on-women-question

[Kathianne]

[QUOTE=Abbey;754310]I don't know. Republicans are pretty ticked at her all over social media, and libs will never watch Fox News.[/QUO


` Abby....They will watch Fox news....But at-least the Fox News Brass knows whats going on now..

TRUST ME...Its just Kelly (who feels untouchable (self promoting) and maybe one other...They will just hold their noses for now...Maybe Hannity can spank her:laugh:....

Good luck with that:

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/21/roger-ailes-on-megyn-kelly-she-may-be-bigger-than-anybody-one-day/

[Max R.]

Kelly was slammed on her Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/MegynKelly?fref=ts) page by visitors unhappy with her performance. "You were rude, biased, unprofessional and nasty last night," one person said Friday. "I will never watch your show again."
"You looked small tonight Megyn," another person added. "Your top rated just took a major hit by virtue of your classless, and biased, gotcha of Trump."
The Gateway Pundit's Jim Hoft observed (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/08/biggest-debate-losers-by-unanimous-vote-biased-foxnews-cranks/) that the "New York Times" praised the Fox moderators for their debate performance. "Shame on you, FOX," he wrote.

http://www.examiner.com/article/megyn-kelly-fox-news-under-fire-on-social-media-with-allegations-of-bias

I'm guessing all the comments came for Trump fans. ;)

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

He went after Frank Luntz on twitter too.
yea, how dare he actually speak out and have any anger as all other candidates were
torpedoed same as he was! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:--Tyr

[Kathianne]

yea, how dare he actually speak out and have any anger as all other candidates were
torpedoed same as he was! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes:--Tyr
If you like Piers Morgan, you're in good company.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3189458/PIERS-MORGAN-Yes-Donald-Trump-vicious-arrogant-obnoxious-little-bit-evil-exactly-lot-people-think-make-bloody-good-President.html


PIERS MORGAN: Yes, Donald Trump can be vicious, arrogant, obnoxious and even a little bit evil - which is exactly why a lot of people think he will make a bloody good PresidentBy PIERS MORGAN FOR MAILONLINE (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/columnist-1096452/Piers-Morgan-for-MailOnline.html)
PUBLISHED: 09:57 EST, 7 August 2015 | UPDATED: 00:57 EST, 8 August 2015


...

[Kathianne]

I agree more with Gregg:

https://twitter.com/greggutfeld/status/629840244876165120


GregGutfeldVerified account‏@greggutfeld (https://twitter.com/greggutfeld)

we've now conflated the very worst of behavior that the PC movement aimed to eradicate, with a sound rebellion against the PC movement. sad

[Drummond]

"Mostly" All the other Candidates are "broke" Choir boys looking for jobs compared to Trump and depend on "other peoples" money (donations) and influence...They can say this and that...but money talks and they are bonded to their contributors ....(if they take...they better be) Trump as a Business man has donated and controlled many puppets...*The cool thing is Trump doesn't have to do this...He see`s the country is falling apart...and must....

Trump is needed and `tough enough` to deal with the vile nasty...Deceitful cancer of Liberalism and the other viruses throughout the world...:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Oh, I wish I could vote in your next election !!!

[Drummond]

If you like Piers Morgan, you're in good company.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3189458/PIERS-MORGAN-Yes-Donald-Trump-vicious-arrogant-obnoxious-little-bit-evil-exactly-lot-people-think-make-bloody-good-President.html

Piers Morgan has his LEFTIE agenda, which of course he's following, albeit sneakily, as befits a Leftie.

Formerly editor of the UK Daily Mirror, sacked because he refused to publicly admit he was wrong to run stories which disparagingly LIED about British troops' conduct ... then he went to America, and used airtime to attack some of your American values (e.g the gun-owning culture you have).

Now, he's back on sneaky form, trying to disparage a candidate who's probably about as opposite to him as you could possibly get.

So far as I'm concerned, polar opposites to Morgan are totally welcome and deserving of unstinting support.

Oh, and as a late edit: reading the link, you could be forgiven for thinking that Morgan's praise for a hardline Conservative is sincere. But, I for one know that Morgan is dedicated to beliefs very different from Trump's. He WILL find a way of opposing them. And since Morgan has his sneaky streak, he'll indulge it.

Hidden in all his prose, is this wording ... check it out ...


But I also loathe those who seek to make cheap noisy capital out of inadvertent comments.
Trump himself has been offending almost everyone in the last few weeks, from Mexicans to John McCain.

So, does he 'loathe' Trump ?

With sneaky little Lefties, you have to pick out the truth from the deception. They're experts at such games.

Happily, Trump is nothing like that.

[NightTrain]

Bleh.

Anyone getting an Attaboy from Piers Morgan is probably regarding it as the Kiss of Death.

[tailfins]

No way. He is not like TF.
AND HIS CALLING THAT FAT PIG, A FAT PIG , WAS RIGHT IN LINE WITH WHAT I'D SAY MYSELF ABOUT.
A very apt description if you ask me ...
Honesty and accuracy are highly prized attributes my friend, at least in my book they are.....
By the way, I am pretty damn sure myself, that I am not a misogynist..
If speaking honestly , even though it may be rudely, qualifies me as ONE, I'LL WEAR IT PROUDLY MY FRIEND. TYR

You've discovered a powerful defense against being marginalized by the left. Cuban anti-communists wear the label "Gusano" with pride. It means worm and was coined by Fidel Castro himself. Derogatory terms can be stood on their head.

[gabosaurus]

I don't see why Kelly is "under fire." She asked the tough questions that moderators are supposed to ask. She confronted Trump on his many issues.
Republicans are used to Fox News sucking up to them and tossing them softball questions.
Besides, Trump is the only GOP candidate that doesn't need the support of Fox News or the conservative radio talking heads to run his campaign. Of course they are going to attack him.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/08/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-republican-debate

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I will agree that it gave me a look at how they will handle later attacks from the Dem nominee. But actual useful info? Not so much.
Really important questions were omitted in order to get in the torpedoes directed at Trump.
Had there been more fairness and less focused attack on one single candidate the debate would have been much better. Targeting Trump was unjust, uncalled for , and downright dirty as hell. Fox lost me and that Kelly scum is nothing but an opportunist piece of self-serving scum -totally unprofessional what she did. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I don't see why Kelly is "under fire." She asked the tough questions that moderators are supposed to ask. She confronted Trump on his many issues.
Republicans are used to Fox News sucking up to them and tossing them softball questions.
Besides, Trump is the only GOP candidate that doesn't need the support of Fox News or the conservative radio talking heads to run his campaign. Of course they are going to attack him.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/08/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-republican-debate

Bullshit, she attacked Trump with a vengeance and did so in a personal and most unprofessional way.. -Tyr

[tailfins]

Really important questions were omitted in order to get in the torpedoes directed at Trump.
Had there been more fairness and less focused attack on one single candidate the debate would have been much better. Targeting Trump was unjust, uncalled for , and downright dirty as hell. Fox lost me and that Kelly scum is nothing but an opportunist piece of self-serving scum -totally unprofessional what she did. -Tyr

Anyone who is not running for public office could even refer to her as a media whore.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The exception seems to be any woman with the temerity to question one's temperament for leadership based on past comments.

You know, saying stuff like a woman is a "piece of shit", "sold out scum", and deserving of a "fine ass stomping".
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?50971-Limbaugh-rips-Fox-News-for-war-on-women-question
Yet I speak my mind honestly and as to my comment that somebody stomping her ass, I qualified it be done by a woman.
I did not judge her based upon her gender as you now seem to imply. I judge based upon her actions only--as is evidenced by my comments about Erickson in which stated, " I would slap him myself if given half the chance. HE BEING MALE, I VOLUNTEERED TO DO SO MYSELF...
Do not try to put words in my mouth hoss.
I have not yet met any man that has ever been man enough to do that , Fact..
And trust me many have tried face to face ,they all got the same reply. -Tyr
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?50973-Trump-Disinvited-To-Red-State-Gathering&p=754432#post754432



You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to NightTrain again.
If given half a chance, Id slap hell out of ERICKSON.
His action just confirmed that the dem's false "war on women" accusation against our candidates is true.
He just found Trump guilty and perhaps is too stupid to see how that will be played by the dems.
Yes sir. I'd love to have the chance to slap him on his ass . Not joking..-Tyr


http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?50973-Trump-Disinvited-To-Red-State-Gathering&p=754432#post754432

[Abbey Marie]

The exception seems to be any woman with the temerity to question one's temperament for leadership based on past comments.

You know, saying stuff like a woman is a "piece of shit", "sold out scum", and deserving of a "fine ass stomping".
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?50971-Limbaugh-rips-Fox-News-for-war-on-women-question

Opinions about Trump as a fairly un-Presidential Presidential candidate aside, I am not sure that all women deserve better, more sensitive treatment, than men these days. Yes, there are still many individual women who deserve to be treated very respectfully (and men, too). But if we are going to be foul-mouthed, dress like hookers, participate in cage fights, or full-on attack TV debaters, we are no longer delicate flowers in need of cosseting. Basic human respect, yes. But anything special, no. And frankly, that is the way feminists should want it in order to not be hypocritical.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I am not sure that all women deserve better, more sensitive treatment, than men these days. Yes, there are still many individual women who deserve to be treated very respectfully (and men, too). But if we are going to be foul-mouthed, dress like hookers, participate in cage fights, or full-on attack TV debaters, we are no longer delicate flowers in need of cosseting. Basic human respect, yes. But anything special, no. And frankly, that is the way feminists should want it in order to not be hypocritical.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Abbey again.

[tailfins]

Yet I speak my mind honestly and as to my comment that somebody stomping her ass, I qualified it be done by a woman.
I did not judge her based upon her gender as you now seem to imply. I judge based upon her actions only--as is evidenced by my comments about Erickson in which stated, " I would slap him myself if given half the chance. HE BEING MALE, I VOLUNTEERED TO DO SO MYSELF...
Do not try to put words in my mouth hoss.
I have not yet met any man that has ever been man enough to do that , Fact..
And trust me many have tried face to face ,they all got the same reply. -Tyr
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?50973-Trump-Disinvited-To-Red-State-Gathering&p=754432#post754432

I understand your sentiment. The LEGAL way to kick the s**t out of a woman is called character assassination. Also if you look at a list of things that embarrass people, then do the things on that list, that works pretty good too. There is no need to understand what embarrassment is. All you need is a list of things that embarrass people.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Anyone who is not running for public office could even refer to her as a media whore.
I do not call women whores. Reason why is a great many men are whores themselves but never get called that.
I try my very best to give equal treatment and not flip flop on doing so. Fact...-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Piers Morgan has his LEFTIE agenda, which of course he's following, albeit sneakily, as befits a Leftie.

Formerly editor of the UK Daily Mirror, sacked because he refused to publicly admit he was wrong to run stories which disparagingly LIED about British troops' conduct ... then he went to America, and used airtime to attack some of your American values (e.g the gun-owning culture you have).

Now, he's back on sneaky form, trying to disparage a candidate who's probably about as opposite to him as you could possibly get.

So far as I'm concerned, polar opposites to Morgan are totally welcome and deserving of unstinting support.

Oh, and as a late edit: reading the link, you could be forgiven for thinking that Morgan's praise for a hardline Conservative is sincere. But, I for one know that Morgan is dedicated to beliefs very different from Trump's. He WILL find a way of opposing them. And since Morgan has his sneaky streak, he'll indulge it.

Hidden in all his prose, is this wording ... check it out ...



So, does he 'loathe' Trump ?

With sneaky little Lefties, you have to pick out the truth from the deception. They're experts at such games.

Happily, Trump is nothing like that.
Morgan is crap. And yes he knows his so-called endorsement will turn many away from Trump because they despise the living hell out of him. It is a devious and planned reverse trap he lays.
As a leftist and sorry piece of trash he knows and plays such tricks/games.
All stops are being pulled out to destroy Trump--by both side!!!!!!
That should raise alarms but seems not to do so--yet America by and large is damn tired of what both sides have been doing the last 7 years!
The status quo is what they want to keep and Trump now eighty and strongly challenges.
They don't own him so both ides want him destroyed!
Too many people miss that in their zeal to try to advance the candidate that they prefer. ... -Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

I don't see why Kelly is "under fire." She asked the tough questions that moderators are supposed to ask. She confronted Trump on his many issues.
Republicans are used to Fox News sucking up to them and tossing them softball questions.
Besides, Trump is the only GOP candidate that doesn't need the support of Fox News or the conservative radio talking heads to run his campaign. Of course they are going to attack him.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/08/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-republican-debate

Actually Republicans are used to all the other networks giving them gotcha questions. I at least, was looking to Fox for respect and the chance to hear the candidates discuss their platforms without having to be on the defensive for once.

I guess the eternal quest for ratings, and the desire to appear non-Conservative and "tough", won the day.

[gabosaurus]

Like I mentioned before, Fox News has an agenda. They don't like Trump because he doesn't need them. Trump doesn't throw money at Fox News. Nor does he kowtow to their agenda.
Fox knew in advance that people tuning in to the GOP debate wanted to see Trump go off. So they baited him. Trump responded like Fox knew he would.
Financially, Fox needs an open and extended Republican campaign. They need a dozen or more candidates willing to spend big money on ads and open to appearing on the network as often as possible.

Trump has zero respect for women. He has displayed this for many years. His business is a Big Boys Clubhouse and women are not invited.
That attitude might be acceptable for business, but not for political campaigns in the 21st Century.

Trump has enough money to run a campaign until November of 2016. Whether as GOP or independent candidate.
But he has zero chance to winning. None. The modern electorate is too enlightened to vote for a racist and misogynist elitist.

[Drummond]

I don't see why Kelly is "under fire." She asked the tough questions that moderators are supposed to ask. She confronted Trump on his many issues.
Republicans are used to Fox News sucking up to them and tossing them softball questions.
Besides, Trump is the only GOP candidate that doesn't need the support of Fox News or the conservative radio talking heads to run his campaign. Of course they are going to attack him.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/08/donald-trump-megyn-kelly-republican-debate

Thanks, by the way, for using a British LEFTIE paper, complete with Leftie agenda, as part of the basis for your post.

Very 'fair' and 'open-minded' of you.

This was the same - BRITISH - newspaper that did its best to get its readers to cold-call residents of Clark County, during the election 'hustings' just preceding GW Bush's second victory. They wanted to get that 'swing State' to veer towards favouring the Dems, so encouraged Brits to cold-call with their arguments.

[LongTermGuy]

I'm guessing all the comments came for Trump fans. ;)


*Im guessing that's the way it works for all Candidates...also "guessing" the one with the most fans wins....:coffee:

[Drummond]

Like I mentioned before, Fox News has an agenda. They don't like Trump because he doesn't need them. Trump doesn't throw money at Fox News. Nor does he kowtow to their agenda.
Fox knew in advance that people tuning in to the GOP debate wanted to see Trump go off. So they baited him. Trump responded like Fox knew he would.
Financially, Fox needs an open and extended Republican campaign. They need a dozen or more candidates willing to spend big money on ads and open to appearing on the network as often as possible.

Trump has zero respect for women. He has displayed this for many years. His business is a Big Boys Clubhouse and women are not invited.
That attitude might be acceptable for business, but not for political campaigns in the 21st Century.

Trump has enough money to run a campaign until November of 2016. Whether as GOP or independent candidate.
But he has zero chance to winning. None. The modern electorate is too enlightened to vote for a racist and misogynist elitist.

You complain about 'agendas', but you have one of your own, Gabby. And as you've just shown, you're happy to push propaganda on to us from an organisation which has its own, hostile, agenda to pursue. An agenda it's been extremely active with in the past .. namely, DIRECT INTERFERENCE IN A FOREIGN POWER'S ELECTION.

But perhaps, since this favours the Left, you're conveniently 'blind' to such interference. Do you, as a Leftie, support having attempts to engineer a democratic election made by a foreign organisation in THEIR favour, as opposed to in the favour of DEMOCRATIC FREE THINKING, AMERICAN CHOICE ?

[gabosaurus]

You complain about 'agendas', but you have one of your own, Gabby. And as you've just shown, you're happy to push propaganda on to us from an organisation which has its own, hostile, agenda to pursue. An agenda it's been extremely active with in the past .. namely, DIRECT INTERFERENCE IN A FOREIGN POWER'S ELECTION.

But perhaps, since this favours the Left, you're conveniently 'blind' to such interference. Do you, as a Leftie, support having attempts to engineer a democratic election made by a foreign organisation in THEIR favour, as opposed to in the favour of DEMOCRATIC FREE THINKING, AMERICAN CHOICE ?

Both the U.S. and England have spent centuries interfering in elections of foreign powers. England even held many as colonies.

You don't believe in democratic free thinking and you know it. You only favor agendas, methods and policies that support conservative candidates and policies. You don't think Americans should have a democratic choice. Nor England or any other country.
Drummond, you would be a great radical Muslim. Because you only see one side of the issue and want it to be law.

[Max R.]

*Im guessing that's the way it works for all Candidates...also "guessing" the one with the most fans wins....:coffee:
Yup!

http://oi60.tinypic.com/zoh7o.jpg

[Kathianne]

Opinions about Trump as a fairly un-Presidential Presidential candidate aside, I am not sure that all women deserve better, more sensitive treatment, than men these days. Yes, there are still many individual women who deserve to be treated very respectfully (and men, too). But if we are going to be foul-mouthed, dress like hookers, participate in cage fights, or full-on attack TV debaters, we are no longer delicate flowers in need of cosseting. Basic human respect, yes. But anything special, no. And frankly, that is the way feminists should want it in order to not be hypocritical.
Abbey, I'm not going to disagree with you as I don't in fact. The question in this case is are you assuming that anyone that asked him tough questions deserves what he dishes out?

I don't think her questions to Trump were any more pointed than those to Bush, Christie, or even Walker. The only one I saw always treated with deference was Carson. No, I don't think it's because he's black, it is because he doesn't have a record as such and he comports himself well. Even so, they did bring up his misspeaks on foreign policy.

[Kathianne]

I do not call women whores. Reason why is a great many men are whores themselves but never get called that.
I try my very best to give equal treatment and not flip flop on doing so. Fact...-Tyr
That's because you're not a misogynist. Simple.

[Kathianne]

Actually Republicans are used to all the other networks giving them gotcha questions. I at least, was looking to Fox for respect and the chance to hear the candidates discuss their platforms without having to be on the defensive for once.

I guess the eternal quest for ratings, and the desire to appear non-Conservative and "tough", won the day.

This I do disagree with. With the number of candidates and keeping Trump under control, the formula of one question going to all wouldn't work.

So they zeroed in on the big issues with each candidate, giving them a chance to clarify, correct, expand. They were able to get their resumes out there, but not ad nauseam.

I learned much about one candidate I'd basically wrote off, now looking closer. Two I really didn't know much about. I think that's a lot for less than 2 hours and 10 candidates.

[LongTermGuy]

Yup!

http://oi60.tinypic.com/zoh7o.jpg


Copy that Friend!


http://www.silentpix.com/galleries/2010/sexy-patty-cake-god-bless-america/sexy-patty-cake-god-bless-america-003.jpg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yup!

http://oi60.tinypic.com/zoh7o.jpg

Nobody would kick her out of bed for eating crackers. ;)
Red bloodied American males see a sexy lady like that and hormones start kicking in.
Genetic programming.
However, not me-- my wife deprogrammed me. :laugh: --Tyr

[tailfins]

Nobody would kick her out of bed for eating crackers. ;)
Red bloodied American males see a sexy lady like that and hormones start kicking in.
Genetic programming.
However, not me-- my wife deprogrammed me. :laugh: --Tyr

How many crackers do you suppose she's eaten?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

How many crackers do you suppose she's eaten?


Surely not enough to have ever made anybody mad.... ;)--Tyr

[Drummond]

Both the U.S. and England have spent centuries interfering in elections of foreign powers. England even held many as colonies.

This is laughably pathetic, even by your standards. Going back to England's old Colonial days involves, at absolute 'best', looking back into the better part of an entire CENTURY'S past. All that so-called 'glory' is long dead, has been for a number of generations.


You don't believe in democratic free thinking and you know it. You only favor agendas, methods and policies that support conservative candidates and policies. You don't think Americans should have a democratic choice. Nor England or any other country.
Drummond, you would be a great radical Muslim. Because you only see one side of the issue and want it to be law.

Outrageous stuff.

What makes me different, certainly to you, is that I have a firm grounding in realism, decency, love of freedom and liberty, and I'm opposed to tyranny as an obvious consequence. Were you to be telling the truth, none of that would be true.

I favour politics, and politicians, grounded in those same values. I see no reason NOT to support candidates with obvious integrity.

It's called ... NOT being a LEFTIE.

Try it sometime. Trust me, you'll find it a liberating experience.

[LongTermGuy]

`FROM I AM CAITLIN TO I AM MEGYN HOW FOX NEWS WENT OVER TO THE DEMS`


"Megyn Kelly's looks may have not changed to herself in her Cinderella mirror backstage," said Savage. "The cameras that we all watch is the portrait that I'm referring to. The portrait of Dorian Kelly is quite revealing. You watch her face change. You'll see it change over the coming months now that she is drunk on her own power. You'll see what I see.....He complained that her "nostrils have become almost porcine" while she "snorts her insults at America."

But while Fox was playing it "unfair," Kelly's show exceeds other "reality shows," like "I am Caitlyn." Her show should be called "I am Mayhem," suggested Savage.

"So you've got to see that going to the gutter and attacking candidates who could save America makes money," said Savage. "That's exactly why Facebook makes so much money. That's why Facebook was the co-sponsor of the new reality show 'I Am Mayhem.'"

"When have you ever heard of a man in favor of cheapening American wages and flooding America with illegal aliens buying a network during the opposition's debate?" Savage said of Zuckerberg. "Well you just heard of it. What do you think the F stood for? Mark Zuckerberg joined forces with Fox News to undermine one Donald Trump and that was for one reason only: Zuckerberg is the greediest man in the history of the world. Zuckerberg doesn't care who gets hurt, he just wants them in this country."





https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=171&v=4zTNiNDy3gc

[tailfins]

Surely not enough to have ever made anybody mad.... ;)--Tyr

Snoop Dogg (or Snoop Lion as he calls himself these days) might feel left out if she only eats crackers.

[gabosaurus]

What makes me different, certainly to you, is that I have a firm grounding in realism, decency, love of freedom and liberty, and I'm opposed to tyranny as an obvious consequence. Were you to be telling the truth, none of that would be true.


Your delusions of grandeur are quite exceptional. :rolleyes:

[SassyLady]

Righteous anger is a strong weapon and well respected by decent people! Lets hope America still has enough such people to survive as I now have grave doubts on that myself! -Tyr

Why is it OK for Trump to have righteous anger and yet women who are offended by Trump's attitude toward women not allowed to express it? I, for one, am OK with the hardball questions. Why do you think the liberal democrats won't do a debate hosted by Fox News? Because they know they will not get softball questions.

Also, why would anyone think these moderators wouldn't approach the debate with the same fervor as they do when interviewing people on their shows? I think America needs to know why a candidate does and says the things they do. Trump is getting questioned about his "racism and bigoted" remarks about immigrants, so why not questions on his degrading language toward women?

[SassyLady]

Really important questions were omitted in order to get in the torpedoes directed at Trump.
Had there been more fairness and less focused attack on one single candidate the debate would have been much better. Targeting Trump was unjust, uncalled for , and downright dirty as hell. Fox lost me and that Kelly scum is nothing but an opportunist piece of self-serving scum -totally unprofessional what she did. -Tyr

Sorry Tyr, I will have to disagree with your characterization of Megan. If you want to talk about scum, let's talk about Trump and his attitude towards anyone, male or female, that disagrees with him or questions his motives. We need a President that doesn't play the victim so much.

[Gunny]

Righteous anger is a strong weapon and well respected by decent people! Lets hope America still has enough such people to survive as I now have grave doubts on that myself! -Tyr

I must have missed the righteous part. Donald Trump has proven he can't stand being told no, he's wrong, or having anyone otherwise question him. We already have THAT in the White House.

"I have a plan" is about as effective a strategy for him with me as Hillary's "I have a plan".

[Kathianne]

Why is it OK for Trump to have righteous anger and yet women who are offended by Trump's attitude toward women not allowed to express it? I, for one, am OK with the hardball questions. Why do you think the liberal democrats won't do a debate hosted by Fox News? Because they know they will not get softball questions.

Also, why would anyone think these moderators wouldn't approach the debate with the same fervor as they do when interviewing people on their shows? I think America needs to know why a candidate does and says the things they do. Trump is getting questioned about his "racism and bigoted" remarks about immigrants, so why not questions on his degrading language toward women?

What I don't get is his appeal to decent guys that seem to care about their country and fellow citizens. That want a solid defense in place.

I got the justified reaction to his remarks about illegals and the on-the-heels the tragic shooting of the young woman in CA and sanctuary city. Her broken father. I got that and agreed with the sentiments and desire to have something/anything done to correct.

It's at that point though, that one must look at who's speaking. It was when Kate was killed and O'Reilly started with Kate's Law and FOX was featuring Donald on every program. O'Reilly, as much as he can rub me wrong, immediately wanted to address what he felt would be a step, however small in change. Trump? He kept bellowing. From what's been said, they are long time friends. O'Reilly used his program, other programs, his phone, to push the law. (That's actually what influence is, which is how things get done, when they get done.)

Others started looking at Trump, given his amazing rise in the polls. What was found from his many switches in parties; his support for even partial-birth abortion; his heavily skewed giving to liberals; his comments over years about women; his support for Kelo decision; etc., etc. was enough to give pause to many.

But not some. Indeed they look at his 'change now' as evidence that he's brilliant. He'll say anything, just like they would. Except they usually don't. Because they not only have 'filters' they do care about others. They aren't misogynists, they aren't out-of-control prejudiced, they aren't narcissists or megalomaniacs. They are angry and fed up with Obama and taxes and the economy and regulations that hurt them-but not illegals. They are angry that hardworking people are falling further and further in the hole. They are angry at the treatment of vets and police and themselves.

All of that is understandable, indeed it's shared.

The problem isn't going to be solved though by someone that is a raging megalomaniac/narcissist/misogynist.

Sassy, you probably remember when I first was enamored with Ron Paul, then did some research on him and became very anti-RP? Reminds me a lot of what's going on here. What he said, resonated with me. Then I had to find what he'd said and done in the past. Those things made it a case of 'saying what I was hungry to hear vs. much more I couldn't condone.' What first I agreed with, I still do. But he was the wrong person to back.

[Gunny]

What I don't get is his appeal to decent guys that seem to care about their country and fellow citizens. That want a solid defense in place.

I got the justified reaction to his remarks about illegals and the on-the-heels the tragic shooting of the young woman in CA and sanctuary city. Her broken father. I got that and agreed with the sentiments and desire to have something/anything done to correct.

It's at that point though, that one must look at who's speaking. It was when Kate was killed and O'Reilly started with Kate's Law and FOX was featuring Donald on every program. O'Reilly, as much as he can rub me wrong, immediately wanted to address what he felt would be a step, however small in change. Trump? He kept bellowing. From what's been said, they are long time friends. O'Reilly used his program, other programs, his phone, to push the law. (That's actually what influence is, which is how things get done, when they get done.)

Others started looking at Trump, given his amazing rise in the polls. What was found from his many switches in parties; his support for even partial-birth abortion; his heavily skewed giving to liberals; his comments over years about women; his support for Kelo decision; etc., etc. was enough to give pause to many.

But not some. Indeed they look at his 'change now' as evidence that he's brilliant. He'll say anything, just like they would. Except they usually don't. Because they not only have 'filters' they do care about others. They aren't misogynists, they aren't out-of-control prejudiced, they aren't narcissists or megalomaniacs. They are angry and fed up with Obama and taxes and the economy and regulations that hurt them-but not illegals. They are angry that hardworking people are falling further and further in the hole. They are angry at the treatment of vets and police and themselves.

All of that is understandable, indeed it's shared.

The problem isn't going to be solved though by someone that is a raging megalomaniac/narcissist/misogynist.

Sassy, you probably remember when I first was enamored with Ron Paul, then did some research on him and became very anti-RP? Reminds me a lot of what's going on here. What he said, resonated with me. Then I had to find what he'd said and done in the past. Those things made it a case of 'saying what I was hungry to hear vs. much more I couldn't condone.' What first I agreed with, I still do. But he was the wrong person to back.

Nice post. Where to start?

Kate's Law is pointless bellowing and overreacting, IMO. Why not enforce the laws we already have? Other than posturing and appealing to emotion, what's one more law the Federal and state governments aren't going to enforce? Exercise in futility, IMO.

I do agree Fox is as much responsible for Donald Trump as anything else. They've collectively pimped him on every show they can get him on.

What I don't want to see is 1992 Part Deux, and it's already working. In case a few are two young (or just blocked it from their memories) Ross Perot gave us 8 years of Bill Clinton and his sin tax, not to mention decreasing military manpower while increasing our OpTempo (workload). He ran us ragged, and was VERY instrumental in my retiring before I had to.

I don't want 8 more years of a Clinton. I don't think we'll survive as a nation since she's trying to appeal to loser progressives.

[Max R.]

Nice post. Where to start?

Kate's Law is pointless bellowing and overreacting, IMO. Why not enforce the laws we already have? Other than posturing and appealing to emotion, what's one more law the Federal and state governments aren't going to enforce? Exercise in futility, IMO.

I do agree Fox is as much responsible for Donald Trump as anything else. They've collectively pimped him on every show they can get him on.

What I don't want to see is 1992 Part Deux, and it's already working. In case a few are two young (or just blocked it from their memories) Ross Perot gave us 8 years of Bill Clinton and his sin tax, not to mention decreasing military manpower while increasing our OpTempo (workload). He ran us ragged, and was VERY instrumental in my retiring before I had to.

I don't want 8 more years of a Clinton. I don't think we'll survive as a nation since she's trying to appeal to loser progressives.
You've made three good points, Gunny and I'll respond to each:

1. While I strongly agree about enforcing the laws we have, there is merit in Kate's Law. OTOH, if it's unenforced, it's a waste of tax payer money to push through the legislative process.

Add to this my strongest conviction that the best way to curb illegal immigration is to arrest, convict and imprison, even if only for 3-6 months, anyone who knowingly and willfully helps, harbors, rents to, sells to or employs illegal immigrants. Most illegals come to the US for jobs. Deny them that incentive and they'll stop coming.

2. Fox News, like all media, is a for-profit business. They'd pimp their own grandmothers if it increased revenue. We don't have real journalism in the mainstream media anymore like Walter Cronkite used to provide. Now we have infotainment. Donald Trump is almost pure infotainment so it's no wonder he gets a lot of coverage.

3. Agreed about the dangers of a repeat of 1992. I voted for Perot myself and, while I liked his ideas and what he was pushing, regret that, under our current voting system, my vote for him ended up electing Bill Clinton. I liked GHW Bush a lot too, but didn't like what was happening with the RNC then nor now. That said, if the choices for President are a RWNJ and a LWL, I'll vote for the Libertarian candidate and let things fall as they may.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Why is it OK for Trump to have righteous anger and yet women who are offended by Trump's attitude toward women not allowed to express it? I, for one, am OK with the hardball questions. Why do you think the liberal democrats won't do a debate hosted by Fox News? Because they know they will not get softball questions.

Also, why would anyone think these moderators wouldn't approach the debate with the same fervor as they do when interviewing people on their shows? I think America needs to know why a candidate does and says the things they do. Trump is getting questioned about his "racism and bigoted" remarks about immigrants, so why not questions on his degrading language toward women?


Why is it OK for Trump to have righteous anger and yet women who are offended by Trump's attitude toward women not allowed to express it?

I'll tell you one reason why. His comments on women good or bad have almost nothing to do with how he would be as a President. This nation has some very grave and catastrophic problems facing it that have nothing to do with sex or gender issues. That question came directly from the Dem play book--so why did Fox feel it should blast it? Is it not a known fact that the dems are using a false attack accusing Republicans of waging a War on Women? Sure it is known and that question was sent to verify that as being a legitimate accusation which it is not!
Now Erickson(Redstate) further legitimized it as a valid accusation by his dis-inviting Trump..
This is our side stabbing its own instead of letting we the voters decide and I am sick of it myself.
The nation destroying issues are more important than some single issue.
Women's rights and equality will not mean a damn thing if this nation falls my friend. SHOULD IT FALL ISLAM WILL RULE THIS NATION!
IF THAT HAPPENS EVERY FEMALE HERE WILL BECOME WORTH BARELY MORE THAN DIRT.
I HAVE A MOTHER, A WIFE , A DAUGHTER AND AND GRANDCHILDREN THAT ARE FEMALE.
I'LL BE DAMN IF I WILL LET THAT HAPPEN WHILE I STILL BREATHE.
BEFORE I ALLOW THAT I'LL WASTE EVERY MUSLIM ALIVE THAT I CAN... A SOLID GOLD FACT. -Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Sorry Tyr, I will have to disagree with your characterization of Megan. If you want to talk about scum, let's talk about Trump and his attitude towards anyone, male or female, that disagrees with him or questions his motives. We need a President that doesn't play the victim so much.

We disagree only in this part. How important is Trump's bad attitude towards women and how important that is given the nation destroying issues fast overcoming this nation.
I'll not defend him on his bad attitude towards women but will overlook it -if- HE CAN AND WOULD SAVE THIS NATION!
Its not like as Prez he'd start a war on women my friend. Clinton was worse in regards as to respecting women and hardly anybody complained .
I always greatly admire You and Kat as strong and very intelligent women, but think you both missing the boat on the really important issue--national survival.
Both sides want Trump destroyed because he wants to stop what both sides are doing!
He may be a cad but he is a capitalist and a patriot.
Time will tell and we shall see ..
Remember this none of of the others will if elected race as hard to reverse the obama destruction as Trump would have IMHO.
I'd support a space alien if it would save this nation. My family and grand children survival depends on that issue while so many are overlooking and side tracked onto war on women issues .-Tyr

[Max R.]

We disagree only in this part. How important is Trump's bad attitude towards women and how important that is given the nation destroying issues fast overcoming this nation.
I'll not defend him on his bad attitude towards women but will overlook it -if- HE CAN AND WOULD SAVE THIS NATION!
Its not like as Prez he'd start a war on women my friend. Clinton was worse in regards as to respecting women and hardly anybody complained .
I always greatly admire You and Kat as strong and very intelligent women, but think you both missing the boat on the really important issue--national survival.
Both sides want Trump destroyed because he wants to stop what both sides are doing!
He may be a cad but he is a capitalist and a patriot.
Time will tell and we shall see ..
Remember this none of of the others will if elected race as hard to reverse the obama destruction as Trump would have IMHO.
I'd support a space alien if it would save this nation. My family and grand children survival depends on that issue while so many are overlooking and side tracked onto war on women issues .-Tyr

A big "if" and I strongly doubt he's anymore of a savior than Barack Obama. Let's not forget the biggest problem with our nation's government is Congress, not who sits in the White House.

[SassyLady]

I'll tell you one reason why. His comments on women good or bad have almost nothing to do with how he would be as a President. This nation has some very grave and catastrophic problems facing it that have nothing to do with sex or gender issues. That question came directly from the Dem play book--so why did Fox feel it should blast it? Is it not a known fact that the dems are using a false attack accusing Republicans of waging a War on Women? Sure it is known and that question was sent to verify that as being a legitimate accusation which it is not!
Now Erickson(Redstate) further legitimized it as a valid accusation by his dis-inviting Trump..
This is our side stabbing its own instead of letting we the voters decide and I am sick of it myself.
The nation destroying issues are more important than some single issue.
Women's rights and equality will not mean a damn thing if this nation falls my friend. SHOULD IT FALL ISLAM WILL RULE THIS NATION!
IF THAT HAPPENS EVERY FEMALE HERE WILL BECOME WORTH BARELY MORE THAN DIRT.
I HAVE A MOTHER, A WIFE , A DAUGHTER AND AND GRANDCHILDREN THAT ARE FEMALE.
I'LL BE DAMN IF I WILL LET THAT HAPPEN WHILE I STILL BREATHE.
BEFORE I ALLOW THAT I'LL WASTE EVERY MUSLIM ALIVE THAT I CAN... A SOLID GOLD FACT. -Tyr


Ok. I respectfully disagree with the highlighted statement. Character is character and doesn't change just because one becomes President. Trust me ... if the man talked about military vets the way he does women, you'd be after his head.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Ok. I respectfully disagree with the highlighted statement. Character is character and doesn't change just because one becomes President. Trust me ... if the man talked about military vets the way he does women, you'd be after his head.

Nailed me with that one!!! Ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. .....
Damn , you guys are just too good. ;)
Tis why I cite the women on this forum as tops! And would put them up against the best women on any other political forum in the world.

In my defense , I actually like three/four other candidates more than Trump but think none of them would try to eradicate the obama agenda like Trump would.
Economy must be fixed, obama agenda must be stopped, Iran must be stopped, and the muslims must be correctly opposed here and worldwide ...
I believe Trump would tackle all those (correctly too)--which other candidate would and do so with real intent instead of just lip service?

Three musketeers , Abbey, Kat and Sassy --rightly to be feared
I must watch my P's and Q'S
Blink a second I will lose
Each of three blades brings quick blood
leaving me crying in the damn mud..
Remind me so I not forget
They haven't even showed their all yet. --Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

Nailed me with that one!!! Ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. .....
Damn , you guys are just too good. ;)
Tis why I cite the women on this forum as tops! And would put them up against the best women on any other political forum in the world.

In my defense , I actually like three/four other candidates more than Trump but think none of them would try to eradicate the obama agenda like Trump would.
Economy must be fixed, obama agenda must be stopped, Iran must be stopped, and the muslims must be correctly opposed here and worldwide ...
I believe Trump would tackle all those (correctly too)--which other candidate would and do so with real intent instead of just lip service? --Tyr

Tyr, one of the men, it might have been Ted Cruz, said on day one, he would undo Obama's executive actions. I don't know how that is done, but he seems sincere about it.

[Abbey Marie]

Nailed me with that one!!! Ouchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.. .....
Damn , you guys are just too good. ;)
Tis why I cite the women on this forum as tops! And would put them up against the best women on any other political forum in the world.

In my defense , I actually like three/four other candidates more than Trump but think none of them would try to eradicate the obama agenda like Trump would.
Economy must be fixed, obama agenda must be stopped, Iran must be stopped, and the muslims must be correctly opposed here and worldwide ...
I believe Trump would tackle all those (correctly too)--which other candidate would and do so with real intent instead of just lip service?

Three musketeers , Abbey, Kat and Sassy --rightly to be feared
I must watch my P's and Q'S
Blink a second I will lose
Each of three blades brings quick blood
leaving me crying in the damn mud..
Remind me so I not forget
They haven't even showed their all yet. --Tyr

I am in good company :salute:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

A big "if" and I strongly doubt he's anymore of a savior than Barack Obama. Let's not forget the biggest problem with our nation's government is Congress, not who sits in the White House.

On that I disagree, he is all American and a patriot--A very greedy patriot but nevertheless a patriot all the same!
obama is none of those and hates this nation. A fact. Well proven by his actions and his words. --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Try, one of the men, it might have been Ted Cruz, said on day one, he would undo Obama's executive actions. I don't know how that is done, but he seems sincere about it.
Yes, but my question is on that how dedicated is he to truly doing it. I like Cruz myself... -Tyr

[Max R.]

On that I disagree, he is all American and a patriot--A very greedy patriot but nevertheless a patriot all the same!
obama is none of those and hates this nation. A fact. Well proven by his actions and his words. --Tyr
If he was a patriot, he would have served his nation. He dodged it for greed.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I am in good company :salute:

I have to agree with that solid gold fact.. :beer: :beer:
I can not remember the last time that I was outdrawn and shot so fast as that!
Some blood still oozing .. :o-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If he was a patriot, he would have served his nation. He dodged it for greed.

I am greedy, never served and a solid patriot . You are correct that he is not a fine upright and solid honest citizen--too much of a capitalist in him for that. How many politicians are for that matter?
And which of his opposition are? Ones that could win?--Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

Yes, but my question is on that how dedicated is he to truly doing it. I like Cruz myself... -Tyr


I don't see any reason to doubt his sincerity, certainly no more than Trump's.
For one big thing, I don't think he has changed his stance like Mr.Trump has for example, on so many important issues.

[Max R.]

I am greedy, never served and a solid patriot . You are correct that he is not a fine upright and solid honest citizen--too much of a capitalist in him for that. How many politicians are for that matter?
And which of his opposition are? Ones that could win?--Tyr

Yes, I'm correct. There are 17 candidates so far. I'm looking for reasons not to vote for them. The one you just mentioned is enough for me.

You can do as you please; be greedy, never do what patriots do yet wrap yourself in a flag anyway. That's all fine. You're not running for President. He is. The actions you do as a citizen are your right, but I don't have to vote for you even if you were running for dog catcher. Trump is running for office and voters have a right to scrutinize him even if he doesn't like it.

[Abbey Marie]

https://exposingmodernmugwumps.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/skank.jpg?w=475&h=336

[Drummond]

Your delusions of grandeur are quite exceptional. :rolleyes:

I suppose it comes from being surrounded by so many Lefties every day, as so many people are, in the UK, today ...

[gabosaurus]

I suppose it comes from being surrounded by so many Lefties every day, as so many people are, in the UK, today ...

If they aren't with you, they're against you. :rolleyes:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yes, I'm correct. There are 17 candidates so far. I'm looking for reasons not to vote for them. The one you just mentioned is enough for me.

You can do as you please; be greedy, never do what patriots do yet wrap yourself in a flag anyway. That's all fine. You're not running for President. He is. The actions you do as a citizen are your right, but I don't have to vote for you even if you were running for dog catcher. Trump is running for office and voters have a right to scrutinize him even if he doesn't like it.

be greedy, never do what patriots do yet wrap yourself in a flag anyway.


but I don't have to vote for you even if you were running for dog catcher



Clever insults ill serve the one giving not the one receiving my friend. Any time you want to verify if I am a man of my word feel free to set it up.
My pm box is always opened and I give my information out quite freely. Just ask... see how quick I give it .
Just remember who started with the personal insults..
I've walked this road well over a hundred times in my long life..
I never ignore insults.. never..
I never vary in my reply, my offer and my backing my word to the hilt . --Tyr

[Abbey Marie]

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[SassyLady]

I have to agree with that solid gold fact.. :beer: :beer:
I can not remember the last time that I was outdrawn and shot so fast as that!
Some blood still oozing .. :o-Tyr

:omg:

This is why I love you Mr. Tyr .... because you are a smart man and know when to quit beating your head on the wall.

:bang3:

Sending this your way for now and future use. Something tells me you are going to need it.

Jeesh ... didn't know it would be so big!
http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7562&stc=1

[Abbey Marie]

:omg:

This is why I love you Mr. Tyr .... because you are a smart man and know when to quit beating your head on the wall.

:bang3:

Sending this your way for now and future use. Something tells me you are going to need it.


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:clap: Tyr is good people!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Jeesh ... didn't know it would be so big!
http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7562&stc=1

I 've heard that line too many times. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

And some fine women sure do know how to flatter a man . ;) :happy0203:--Tyr

[SassyLady]

Laughing so hard I think I might pee my pants. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I really walked into that one didn't I?

[Drummond]

If they aren't with you, they're against you. :rolleyes:

... Could be true, you know ...:eek:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Laughing so hard I think I might pee my pants. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I really walked into that one didn't I?

Well, easy to see why. Perhaps you were distracted by cleaning my splattered , red blood off your blade!
My scabbard was was rusted shut when I read your lightning reply/cut..... ouchhhhhyy..... :laugh:-Tyr

[Russ]

Actually Republicans are used to all the other networks giving them gotcha questions. I at least, was looking to Fox for respect and the chance to hear the candidates discuss their platforms without having to be on the defensive for once.

I guess the eternal quest for ratings, and the desire to appear non-Conservative and "tough", won the day.

I could not agree more. I thought that FoxNews would be a good venue for a Republican debate and it would be a good chance for Republican candidates to explain their positions on the important issues, without having to worry about gotcha questions that would leave them with unfriendly and out-of-context sound bites on the news the next day. Instead, there was all kinds of gotcha questions, and occasionally tone.

I think gotcha questions are a disservice to the candidates, and even more so are a disservice to the viewers. I, as a viewer and a voter, DO NOT CARE if a moderator can get a candidate to fall for one of those questions and unwittingly serve up a bad sounding sound bite for tomorrow's news. It means nothing. All I care about is the candidate's positions on the issues and if they know how to make a good decision. That is it.

I also didn't care for the circus atmosphere with which FoxNews started out the debate. There was 15 minutes of hootin' and hollerin' about "wow, what a night we have here!" and "look at this crowd!" before the debate. I don't care. Just ask the questions - the night is supposed to be about the candidates, not the moderators or FoxNews.

And Megyn Kelly was the worst of the moderators in this respect. She was leading the league in unnecessary, time-wasting, self-promotional remarks before the candidates even got to talk, and it took her 10 or 15 minutes before she could even get her tough face on. She kept smiling, joking, and posing for the camera so much that I started to think of her as unprofessional. And I actually had a fairly good opinion of her before the debate.

C'mon FoxNews, treat the Republican candidates decently and ask non-gotcha questions. Leave the other crap to Rachel Maddow and MSNBC, since they're going to do it anyway.

[Max R.]

Clever insults ill serve the one giving not the one receiving my friend......
A lesson Donald Trump should learn....but who's going to tell him?

[tailfins]

And Megyn Kelly was the worst of the moderators in this respect. She was leading the league in unnecessary, time-wasting, self-promotional remarks before the candidates even got to talk, and it took her 10 or 15 minutes before she could even get her tough face on. She kept smiling, joking, and posing for the camera so much that I started to think of her as unprofessional. And I actually had a fairly good opinion of her before the debate.

C'mon FoxNews, treat the Republican candidates decently and ask non-gotcha questions. Leave the other crap to Rachel Maddow and MSNBC, since they're going to do it anyway.

I just watched a video on why she did this. If her intent is for candidates not to get blindsided in the general election debates, it's a reasonable course of action.

[Russ]

A lesson Donald Trump should learn....but who's going to tell him?

:laugh: My guess would be no one.

Regarding Donald Trump, even though he is not my choice (nor is he even in my top 5), I have to give him credit for coming up with a campaign strategy that is possibly viable, even though I don't think anyone has ever tried it before.

This new strategy I would describe as: make statements without even worrying about sound bites, don't apologize later, and don't work off cards or a script when being interviewed or even being in a debate.

Guaranteed to get a lot of people loving you and a lot a people hating you.

[Russ]

I just watched a video on why she did this. If her intent is for candidates not to get blindsided in the general election debates, it's a reasonable course of action.

That sounds logical, but I would counter by saying that there is plenty of time for all the other networks to attack them, including during the second debate. I would have liked it if the first debate was focused on letting them stake out their positions, before we proceed to the next stage where those positions get attacked. Maybe that's just me.

[SassyLady]

Sometimes the moderators don't remember that the majority of Americans are not current on what a candidate's positions are. I think they assume everyone is on the same page and already know the positions and just want to see how the candidates will handle the tough questions. Prepare them for future queries and get them ready for the type of debate that Christie and Paul participated in.

I like this format because the moderators knew the candidates positions and they focused on giving the specific candidate an opportunity to justify their positions. With 10 candidates ... if we waited for each one to give their position on each and every issue my eyes would have rolled back in my head and I would probably have checked out.

I can remember the interview Katie Couric did with Sarah Palin ... someone referred to Megan Kelley as a "mean girl" .... guess she falls into the same category as Katie.

[Kathianne]

Sometimes the moderators don't remember that the majority of Americans are not current on what a candidate's positions are. I think they assume everyone is on the same page and already know the positions and just want to see how the candidates will handle the tough questions. Prepare them for future queries and get them ready for the type of debate that Christie and Paul participated in.

I like this format because the moderators knew the candidates positions and they focused on giving the specific candidate an opportunity to justify their positions. With 10 candidates ... if we waited for each one to give their position on each and every issue my eyes would have rolled back in my head and I would probably have checked out.

I can remember the interview Katie Couric did with Sarah Palin ... someone referred to Megan Kelley as a "mean girl" .... guess she falls into the same category as Katie.

I was the one who said Kelly seems to be 'mean girl.' However, I did say that she did her job and I too liked the format. If it was one question to each of the 10, I would not have learned a thing. Nope, the moderators really spent time phrasing their questions, giving each time to answer and disagree if they so chose.

I learned quite a bit from this debate, more than any other I've watched.

[Perianne]

I can remember the interview Katie Couric did with Sarah Palin ... someone referred to Megan Kelley as a "mean girl" .... guess she falls into the same category as Katie.

Some call Megyn Kelly a "mean girl". At work we call that type of woman a "bitch".

[gabosaurus]

Some call Megyn Kelly a "mean girl". At work we call that type of woman a "bitch".

What did Megyn Kelly ask that any other member of the media wouldn't? I think debate moderators should ask tough, incisive questions. How else do we get to see what lurks under a candidate's polished and prepared exterior?
If Donald Trump gets flustered this easily, how is he going to survive a long campaign? Previous candidates have been undermined by less.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/18/opinion/zelizer-campaign-mistakes/

[Max R.]

That sounds logical, but I would counter by saying that there is plenty of time for all the other networks to attack them, including during the second debate. I would have liked it if the first debate was focused on letting them stake out their positions, before we proceed to the next stage where those positions get attacked. Maybe that's just me.

IMO, it's better to winnow the herd down to the top 3-5 as quickly as possible. This debate format did a good job of moving in that direction.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/07/jeb-rand-fiorina-fox-debate-column/31278581/
Jeb dead. Rand wounded. Fiorina shines. Folks fuming at Fox

[Perianne]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7561&stc=1


What did Megyn Kelly ask that any other member of the media wouldn't? I think debate moderators should ask tough, incisive questions. How else do we get to see what lurks under a candidate's polished and prepared exterior?
If Donald Trump gets flustered this easily, how is he going to survive a long campaign? Previous candidates have been undermined by less.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/18/opinion/zelizer-campaign-mistakes/

See above. THAT is what annoyed me. Regardless, "gotcha" questions are childish journalism regardless of who asks.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I could not agree more. I thought that FoxNews would be a good venue for a Republican debate and it would be a good chance for Republican candidates to explain their positions on the important issues, without having to worry about gotcha questions that would leave them with unfriendly and out-of-context sound bites on the news the next day. Instead, there was all kinds of gotcha questions, and occasionally tone.

I think gotcha questions are a disservice to the candidates, and even more so are a disservice to the viewers. I, as a viewer and a voter, DO NOT CARE if a moderator can get a candidate to fall for one of those questions and unwittingly serve up a bad sounding sound bite for tomorrow's news. It means nothing. All I care about is the candidate's positions on the issues and if they know how to make a good decision. That is it.

I also didn't care for the circus atmosphere with which FoxNews started out the debate. There was 15 minutes of hootin' and hollerin' about "wow, what a night we have here!" and "look at this crowd!" before the debate. I don't care. Just ask the questions - the night is supposed to be about the candidates, not the moderators or FoxNews.

And Megyn Kelly was the worst of the moderators in this respect. She was leading the league in unnecessary, time-wasting, self-promotional remarks before the candidates even got to talk, and it took her 10 or 15 minutes before she could even get her tough face on. She kept smiling, joking, and posing for the camera so much that I started to think of her as unprofessional. And I actually had a fairly good opinion of her before the debate.

C'mon FoxNews, treat the Republican candidates decently and ask non-gotcha questions. Leave the other crap to Rachel Maddow and MSNBC, since they're going to do it anyway.


Great post-could not agree more...
Helping the dems wage a false charge of Republican war on women strategy against our candidates ill served the party , the people and the candidates.
Fox showed its true colors and Kelly did hers too IMHO..
I dropped Fox after this debate... Found other information sources. --Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What did Megyn Kelly ask that any other member of the media wouldn't? I think debate moderators should ask tough, incisive questions. How else do we get to see what lurks under a candidate's polished and prepared exterior?
If Donald Trump gets flustered this easily, how is he going to survive a long campaign? Previous candidates have been undermined by less.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/18/opinion/zelizer-campaign-mistakes/

Lets hear that same chorus from you when and if ever Hillary gets drilled. --Tyr

[gabosaurus]

I have to wonder how Donald Trump would react if someone called his daughter a "bimbo."

http://rumorfix.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/sd.jpg

[Drummond]

Sometimes the moderators don't remember that the majority of Americans are not current on what a candidate's positions are. I think they assume everyone is on the same page and already know the positions and just want to see how the candidates will handle the tough questions. Prepare them for future queries and get them ready for the type of debate that Christie and Paul participated in.

I like this format because the moderators knew the candidates positions and they focused on giving the specific candidate an opportunity to justify their positions. With 10 candidates ... if we waited for each one to give their position on each and every issue my eyes would have rolled back in my head and I would probably have checked out.

I can remember the interview Katie Couric did with Sarah Palin ... someone referred to Megyn Kelley as a "mean girl" .... guess she falls into the same category as Katie.

The Katie Couric interview (.. I THINK we're talking about the same thing ?) was played over here, too.

US Republican figures get merciless criticism over here in the UK, and our media (especially the BBC) will seize upon any excuse to 'rubbish' any American Conservative they can, to the fullest extent. So it was that the Couric interview got its - repeated - airing here.

Sarah Palin is generally regarded here as an extremist idiot. Where GW Bush is concerned, the media have tried their best to paint him as mentally subnormal, prone to so many gaffes that his competence to hold a responsible job 'had to be' called into question. And of course, our Leftie media hated his Iraq invasion, and made sure Tony Blair was tainted by his association with Bush over that.

Now, we have the Donald Trump business. NOTHING of the debate has been screened by the BBC, but plenty against Trump has been reported. Why ? The real reason is he's a Conservative, he's opinionated, he's a straight talker (regardless of whether you like all he has to say) .. AND, he dares to go against political correctness. This, our Lefties just cannot abide.

The BBC's 'take' on the controversy about Trump adds up to:

1. He made remarks proving misogyny, which no decent person should ever tolerate

2. He has a duty to issue a public apology, and even a delay in doing so is inexcusable

3. Since he is so much of a loose cannon, he cannot possibly be fit for high Office, so ..

4. We should all be deeply alarmed at the prospect. Also ...

5. What does it say about American Conservatism, if any such candidate can even EXIST ?

So you see, taking any of this on board only plays into the hands of the Left. For myself, I view the mixture of obviously biased reporting, along with a complete failure to transmit so much as one minutes' worth of the debate on our domestic channels, as deeply disturbing, not to mention highly suspicious. My belief .. if we all DID see the broadcast, we'd get impressions from it, nuances that have gone unreported and unrepresented, that'd change our perspective, and worse still, remove the iron propagandist control over the proceedings which our Left are determined to maintain. At minimum, people would debate their impressions, as they do here, and in doing so, 'muddy the waters' for the propagandists.

... Which is something that our broadcasters cannot tolerate. So, for most of the UK, at least, we're fed a diet of what we're TOLD is true, rather than what we can SEE to be true.

I believe that we shouldn't be playing the Left's game .. and, I for one absolutely refuse to.

[Rat]

I watch last night and no see anything wrong with performance. I think she do good job, ask tough questions, and professional.

[Drummond]

I watch last night and no see anything wrong with performance. I think she do good job, ask tough questions, and professional.

Professional ? You really think so ?

A professional interviewer is, yes, one not afraid to ask tough and penetrating questions - this is only to be expected. But some degree of even-handedness should also be evident. Do you really think that this is what Trump had ?

I have a copy of the debate's transcript on screen. This is Kelly's first question to Trump ...


"Mr. Trump, one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and you don’t use a politician’s filter. However, that is not without its downsides, in particular, when it comes to women.

You’ve called women you don’t like “fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals.”

If you can view this as evidence of even-handedness, you're a better man than I am !!

No, what this was, was a hatchet-job, pure & simple. A translation of her specific intention was to go after him on the basis of his plain-speaking being a liability to him, maybe even enough of one to make him an unfit candidate .. and to alienate 50% of his potential supporters at a stroke.

The attempt was one of trying to demonise him. It's not even as if she led into this through a handful of questions, through any discussion .. no, she just went 'for the jugular', wasting no time at all to launch a highly personalised, character-assassinating attack.

This is not 'professionalism' at work. It's an agenda-driven attack. And it's one which makes Kelly, in my view, unfit to do her job.

[Max R.]

Lets hear that same chorus from you when and if ever Hillary gets drilled. --Tyr
Let's hope CNN plays hardball with Hillary in the first Democrat debate like Fox did with the first Republican debate.

Again, I have no problem with the job Fox did on this debate; it pointed out the weaknesses of the candidates and allowed them to rise and shine or trip over their own dicks. Fiorina shined. As did Christie, Rubio, Kasich and others in various ways (see review below). Some were lackluster or hurt themselves. Much, much better than a more traditional and boring format of "How would you handle Iran's nuclear research" in 2 minutes or less.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422227/debate-republican-primary-presidential-cleveland

[Drummond]

Let's hope CNN plays hardball with Hillary in the first Democrat debate like Fox did with the first Republican debate.

Again, I have no problem with the job Fox did on this debate; it pointed out the weaknesses of the candidates and allowed them to rise and shine or trip over their own dicks. Fiorina shined. As did Christie, Rubio, Kasich and others in various ways (see review below). Some were lackluster or hurt themselves. Much, much better than a more traditional and boring format of "How would you handle Iran's nuclear research" in 2 minutes or less.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422227/debate-republican-primary-presidential-cleveland

Well - as for "How would you handle Iran's nuclear research" - I'd call that a vital question to ask !!

What's more important ? Something done as a cheap attack, for its sheer entertainment value (to say nothing of trying to ruin a candidate's credibility through demonisation, as a sought-after objective !) .. or, getting to know where a candidate stands on policy issues, what they'll pledge to do if they get the top job ?

[Kathianne]

Well - as for "How would you handle Iran's nuclear research" - I'd call that a vital question to ask !!

What's more important ? Something done as a cheap attack, for its sheer entertainment value (to say nothing of trying to ruin a candidate's credibility through demonisation, as a sought-after objective !) .. or, getting to know where a candidate stands on policy issues, what they'll pledge to do if they get the top job ?

There are many people that were not born when Russ Perot elected Clinton. There are many that were watching the debate that hadn't a clue to Trump's blackmail threats on 3rd party. There were some that watched the whole thing that still didn't know he'd moved the goal posts regarding that blackmail threat bringing it to, 'I'll be the nominee or I will run 3rd party.'

[jimnyc]

Let's hope CNN plays hardball with Hillary in the first Democrat debate like Fox did with the first Republican debate.

I'd like to see ANY station ask questions that are going for the jugular. But damn, it seems like every question asked of Hillary are pre-approved and she has answers ready in the waiting (which she still fails at). I think they should demand answers in front of the entire country about Benghazi, her emails and all of the other crap that are "scandals". Why do I think she deserves harsher treatment than other candidates? She's been in office and ducking questions since forever, or it feels like that. No more "what does it matter now".

[Kathianne]

I'd like to see ANY station ask questions that are going for the jugular. But damn, it seems like every question asked of Hillary are pre-approved and she has answers ready in the waiting (which she still fails at). I think they should demand answers in front of the entire country about Benghazi, her emails and all of the other crap that are "scandals". Why do I think she deserves harsher treatment than other candidates? She's been in office and ducking questions since forever, or it feels like that. No more "what does it matter now".
I agree with that.

The controversy here though will put the microscope on those that follow. We'll see.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Let's hope CNN plays hardball with Hillary in the first Democrat debate like Fox did with the first Republican debate.

Again, I have no problem with the job Fox did on this debate; it pointed out the weaknesses of the candidates and allowed them to rise and shine or trip over their own dicks. Fiorina shined. As did Christie, Rubio, Kasich and others in various ways (see review below). Some were lackluster or hurt themselves. Much, much better than a more traditional and boring format of "How would you handle Iran's nuclear research" in 2 minutes or less.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422227/debate-republican-primary-presidential-cleveland

Really? No major media entity has ever played hardball with her to date.
Any reason you are putting something into such a hopeless hope now?
Did any of them play any hardball with the obama when he was running either time?
Dem Party backed democrat candidates do not get hardball questions by any of the major media entities.
They are protected, mainstream media is the third arm of th dem party.
Surprises me that you appear not to know this commonly known fact.---Tyr

edit- example post below,


Quote Originally Posted by jimnyc View Post
I'd like to see ANY station ask questions that are going for the jugular. But damn, it seems like every question asked of Hillary are pre-approved and she has answers ready in the waiting (which she still fails at). I think they should demand answers in front of the entire country about Benghazi, her emails and all of the other crap that are "scandals". Why do I think she deserves harsher treatment than other candidates? She's been in office and ducking questions since forever, or it feels like that. No more "what does it matter now".

[Drummond]

There are many people that were not born when Russ Perot elected Clinton. There are many that were watching the debate that hadn't a clue to Trump's blackmail threats on 3rd party. There were some that watched the whole thing that still didn't know he'd moved the goal posts regarding that blackmail threat bringing it to, 'I'll be the nominee or I will run 3rd party.'

OK, now stack all that stuff up in a comparison between that and questions, for example, about Iran's nuclear research !

What's more important .. style or intent of off-the-cuff rhetoric from Trump, or, whether Israel stands a chance of being covered in radioactive craters in the next few years ??

Me .. I'd rather have a President installed who's likely to be tough with aggressors like Iran, rather than one representing a Party all too willing to do shady deals with Iran !!

[Kathianne]

OK, now stack all that stuff up in a comparison between that and questions, for example, about Iran's nuclear research !

What's more important .. style or intent of off-the-cuff rhetoric from Trump, or, whether Israel stands a chance of being covered in radioactive craters in the next few years ??

Me .. I'd rather have a President installed who's likely to be tough with aggressors like Iran, rather than one representing a Party all too willing to do shady deals with Iran !!

What is Trump's stands on Iran's nuclear reactor?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

OK, now stack all that stuff up in a comparison between that and questions, for example, about Iran's nuclear research !

What's more important .. style or intent of off-the-cuff rhetoric from Trump, or, whether Israel stands a chance of being covered in radioactive craters in the next few years ??

Me .. I'd rather have a President installed who's likely to be tough with aggressors like Iran, rather than one representing a Party all too willing to do shady deals with Iran !!

EEEEEXXXXXactly............. The one candidate that would put fear into our enemies as did Reagan is Trump.
The others while having great attributes all fail in that critically important National Security strength.
With the others they know they'd get diplomacy out the ass , while keep on doing their crap.
With Trump they know they'd not get diplomacy out the ass but rather a swift boot .
This nation needs him to be President, its too important now to have a career politician in there making the normal moves and doing the normal ass kissing IMHO.

OUR ENEMIES PLAY HARDBALL, WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT PLAYS IT BETTER KICKING THEM BACK.
Reagan did and they all feared him! They fear TRUMP now and he hasn't even been elected yet!! -Tyr

[Kathianne]

What is Trump's stands on Iran's nuclear reactor?
bump.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

bump.





http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-trump-just-summed-up-obamas-iran-nuke-deal-in-3-dire-words-of-warning/



NEWS VIDEOS

Watch: Trump Just Summed Up Obama’s Iran Nuke Deal In 3 Dire Words Of Warning

Following up on his blunt criticism of Illegal immigration...

Norvell Rose July 15, 2015 at 10:47am


After an event at his winery in Charlottesville, Va., today, Donald Trump conducted a round of media interviews in which he did what most other GOP candidates for president have done — he blasted the Obama administration’s “terrible” deal supposedly designed to stop Iran’s nuclear weapons program.

The outspoken billionaire businessman, who has shaken up the presidential race with his fiery and highly controversial rhetoric on illegal immigration, was predictably negative when describing the Obama-promoted Iran agreement. Likening the just-announced deal to Obama’s trade of the Taliban Five for accused deserter Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, Trump told CNN that “they’re laughing at us back in Tehran.”


By clicking on the video above, you can see for yourself how Donald Trump also fired off stinging criticism of the administration for not being able to free American prisoners held in Iran as part of the deal.

Other Western Journalism coverage of the nuke deal and reaction to it can be found here and here.
He nails obama on it...-Tyr

[Drummond]

What is Trump's stands on Iran's nuclear reactor?

I understand your difficulty. It's not as though Megyn Kelly thought this to be a 'priority' question.

However, he does have a stand on Iran, and Fox is well aware of it (it's just that their presenter couldn't really care less about such things).

See ...

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/28/donald-trump-slams-obama-john-kerry-iran-nuclear-deal-maybe-theyre-not-bright


Donald Trump went "On The Record" tonight, telling Greta Van Susteren that the nuclear agreement with Iran is disastrous for the U.S., Israel and the world.

Trump explained that the terrible, incompetent deal will allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon, which will lead to nuclear proliferation in the Middle East.

"Let's not play games," Trump said. "You cannot let them have a nuclear weapon."

Why do you think President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry like the deal? Greta asked.

"Maybe they're not bright," Trump said. "There's something wrong with them."

He blasted the 24-day notice before international inspectors can see Iran's nuclear sites, saying that he wouldn't even give them 24 hours.

"Everyone knows Iran is going to cheat," Trump stated.

Megyn Kelly had an agenda to follow, however, and not one that rated this as 'important' enough to prioritise ...

... perhaps she thinks a future President shouldn't think so, either ?

[Drummond]

He nails obama on it...-Tyr :clap::clap:

You beat me to it !!!

[Abbey Marie]

Sometimes the moderators don't remember that the majority of Americans are not current on what a candidate's positions are. I think they assume everyone is on the same page and already know the positions and just want to see how the candidates will handle the tough questions. Prepare them for future queries and get them ready for the type of debate that Christie and Paul participated in.

I like this format because the moderators knew the candidates positions and they focused on giving the specific candidate an opportunity to justify their positions. With 10 candidates ... if we waited for each one to give their position on each and every issue my eyes would have rolled back in my head and I would probably have checked out.

I can remember the interview Katie Couric did with Sarah Palin ... someone referred to Megan Kelley as a "mean girl" .... guess she falls into the same category as Katie.

Sassy, I would say that if these moderators are not even capable of gauging or remembering what the majority of Americans need to hear, they are in the wrong business and should be replaced.

[Drummond]

EEEEEXXXXXactly............. The one candidate that would put fear into our enemies as did Reagan is Trump.
The others while having great attributes all fail in that critically important National Security strength.
With the others they know they'd get diplomacy out the ass , while keep on doing their crap.
With Trump they know they'd not get diplomacy out the ass but rather a swift boot .
This nation needs him to be President, its too important now to have a career politician in there making the normal moves and doing the normal ass kissing IMHO.

OUR ENEMIES PLAY HARDBALL, WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT PLAYS IT BETTER KICKING THEM BACK.
Reagan did and they all feared him! They fear TRUMP now and he hasn't even been elected yet!! -Tyr:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Max R.]

Well - as for "How would you handle Iran's nuclear research" - I'd call that a vital question to ask !!

What's more important ? Something done as a cheap attack, for its sheer entertainment value (to say nothing of trying to ruin a candidate's credibility through demonisation, as a sought-after objective !) .. or, getting to know where a candidate stands on policy issues, what they'll pledge to do if they get the top job ?
Agreed, but common sense says the answer will be pandering to the group. You know, like Obama promising to close GITMO and end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There's a huge f*cking difference between campaign promises and reality. In that sense, asking such a question is guaranteed to provide PC answers, not truth. Asking a candidate how they would handle Iran is as certain to produce the same BS answer as asking a beauty contestant what she would want if she could have anything - "World peace".

I'd rather see how a person reacts to pressure. Whether or not they can maintain their cool, think on their feet. How they conduct themselves when thrown curve balls. THAT'S the best way, IMHO, to determine a candidate's character.

Right now Trump's "people" are spinning on what he meant with "wherever" like "nose" or that he really said "whatever". The problem with determining who is the best candidate is, in part, because they have a lot of advisors, Spin Doctors and other people providing "buffers". However, on a stage, when confronted with hard, direct questions, it's only them. We see their personality naked. The real person. That said, anyone can have a bad day. Which is why we'll see ten more Republican debates.

[namvet]

http://i59.tinypic.com/23vxifc.jpg

her and Wallace both made ass's of themselves. and i am no longer much a fan of her if this is the way she's going act and treat people

[Kathianne]

I understand your difficulty. It's not as though Megyn Kelly thought this to be a 'priority' question.

However, he does have a stand on Iran, and Fox is well aware of it (it's just that their presenter couldn't really care less about such things).

See ...

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/28/donald-trump-slams-obama-john-kerry-iran-nuclear-deal-maybe-theyre-not-bright



Megyn Kelly had an agenda to follow, however, and not one that rated this as 'important' enough to prioritise ...

... perhaps she thinks a future President shouldn't think so, either ?

I'll ask again, what is his position? Meaning how is he going to deal with it? Check out Cruz, Rubio, Fioriana, all have said some of the things they would do. They have all had less time on cameras than Trump.

[Max R.]

http://blog.seattlepi.com/davidhorsey/files/2011/04/Trump-4-21-11-color-640x473.jpg

[Kathianne]

He nails obama on it...-Tyr

Actually not. Assuming the Congress can't overcome the veto, whomever is president is going to have to do more than throw zingers. One would hope they have an idea or two.

Obama was very good at bad mouthing Bush, still is. Still hasn't done one positive thing for the US or world in general. Do you really want another term or two of the same? Can the world wait that out?

[Max R.]

https://dekerivers.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/a1.jpg?w=600&h=425

[Max R.]

http://api.theweek.com/sites/default/files/0624MichaelRamirez_Creators.jpg

[Kathianne]

Narcissists and megalomaniacs Unite!

[Max R.]

This matches my opinion perfectly:

http://media.townhall.com/townhall/car/b/sk061815dAPC20150618074523.jpg

[Max R.]

Actually not. Assuming the Congress can't overcome the veto, whomever is president is going to have to do more than throw zingers. One would hope they have an idea or two.

Obama was very good at bad mouthing Bush, still is. Still hasn't done one positive thing for the US or world in general. Do you really want another term or two of the same? Can the world wait that out?Agreed 100%. Which is why I want a person of good character sitting in the Oval Office, not just someone spouting popular sound bites.

[namvet]

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11880549_10207365613761688_6612384421033095127_n.j pg?oh=c3ad45fdca7e7f86735dc93107b7708a&oe=564839E5

[Kathianne]

Agreed 100%. Which is why I want a person of good character sitting in the Oval Office, not just someone spouting popular sound bites.
Yep, 1984 or 2016, character still will matter. Many of those sitting in the Oval Office have not been the best husbands, fathers, etc. But for the most part, they kept the country in mind. Someone who truthfully threatens to blackmail the party he's running in, with a independent run if he loses, is not showing good character. Character in fact that's just the opposite.

[Abbey Marie]

I have said many times here how much I disliked Kelly's moderating. But I don't dislike her any differently than I would dislike a man who headed up that panel and acted the same.

No offense to anyone, but I'm not going with mean girl or bitch, and I don't feel comfortable with her being portrayed badly for being assertive or even aggressive. It was the content of her questions, and her smug and unprofessional behavior I did not like.

IMO, of course.

[Max R.]

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11880549_10207365613761688_6612384421033095127_n.j pg?oh=c3ad45fdca7e7f86735dc93107b7708a&oe=564839E5
LOL. Yes, it's going to be a long campaign. We're still talking about last week's debate and there a TEN more to go. The Republican Convention isn't until mid-July eleven months from now.

[Max R.]

Yep, 1984 or 2016, character still will matter. Many of those sitting in the Oval Office have not been the best husbands, fathers, etc. But for the most part, they kept the country in mind. Someone who truthfully threatens to blackmail the party he's running in, with a independent run if he loses, is not showing good character. Character in fact that's just the opposite.
Agreed. Nobody is perfect, but for President we need the most perfect person we can find to sit at that desk.

Trump ain't it.

[Kathianne]

Agreed. Nobody is perfect, but for President we need the most perfect person we can find to sit at that desk.

Trump ain't it.
Yep, few saints run. Then again, has there ever been a humble person in that office as occupant?

[LongTermGuy]

Check it out....:coffee:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP6S3KE2DaI



` Lynnette Hardaway and Rochelle Richardson share their thoughts on the debate`
:cool:

~ “Well, listen, we have our own minds and we can no longer be spoon-fed. We can pick up our own forks and eat for ourselves. We have our own minds to think for ourselves." ~


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4u8NavimBI

[namvet]

Yep, 1984 or 2016, character still will matter. Many of those sitting in the Oval Office have not been the best husbands, fathers, etc. But for the most part, they kept the country in mind. Someone who truthfully threatens to blackmail the party he's running in, with a independent run if he loses, is not showing good character. Character in fact that's just the opposite.

he said no independent. that's out

[Kathianne]

he said no independent. that's out

Where? Something breaking in the last hour? At the debate he said just the opposite.

[Max R.]

Yep, few saints run. Then again, has their ever been a humble person in that office as occupant?
Agreed. A social wallflower isn't going to run for office. However, anyone who runs should be smart enough to realize their entire life will be picked apart. If they can't handle that, how can they handle the stresses of being President?

[namvet]

Check it out....:coffee:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP6S3KE2DaI



` Lynnette Hardaway and Rochelle Richardson share their thoughts on the debate`
:cool:

~ “Well, listen, we have our own minds and we can no longer be spoon-fed. We can pick up our own forks and eat for ourselves. We have our own minds to think for ourselves." ~


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4u8NavimBI

its just won't go away. but when you stick your finger up your ass like she did on national TV you deserve it

[namvet]

Where? Something breaking in the last hour? At the debate he said just the opposite.

per GMA TV this morning. I didn't think he would anyway

[Kathianne]

per GMA TV this morning. I didn't think he would anyway

Well that's not exactly what he said, but thank you for a place to start!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-taking-pledge-run-party/story?id=32987615


Donald Trump Considering Taking Pledge Not to Run as Third-Party Candidate

Aug 10, 2015, 8:35 AM ET


BY JON KARL via GOOD MORNING AMERICA (http://abcnews.go.com/gma)

Donald Trump (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/donald-trump.htm) may soon do what Republican leaders have been asking the billionaire candidate to do -- pledge not to run as an independent candidate for president, a senior Trump adviser told ABC News.

Trump refused to take that pledge at the start of Thursday's GOP debate (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/elections/republican-debates.htm) but is now seriously considering promising not to run as an independent if he does not win the Republican nomination, the adviser said.

Trump has repeatedly said he wants to run as a Republican and expects to win the GOP nomination, but he has also insisted that if he is not treated well by party leaders and does not get the nomination he may run as an independent.

Republican National Committee (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/republican-national-committee.htm) Chairman Reince Priebus (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/reince-priebus.htm) has directly called on all candidates to pledge not to make a third-party run. The Republican Party (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/republican-party.htm) has leverage here: senior GOP officials say it is possible that future debates could be limited to candidates who have pledged support for the party -- a move that could leave Trump out of debates if he is still leaving open the possibility of running as an independent.

The RNC has already made it clear that it will withhold valuable party data on Republican voters from any candidate unwilling to pledge support to the party.

[Perianne]

I have said many times here how much I disliked Kelly's moderating. But I don't dislike her any differently than I would dislike a man who headed up that panel and acted the same.

No offense to anyone, but I'm not going with mean girl or bitch, and I don't feel comfortable with her being portrayed badly for being assertive or even aggressive. It was the content of her questions, and her smug and unprofessional behavior I did not like.

IMO, of course.

Uh, that's what we call a bitch around here. Maybe it's a regional thing.

[Abbey Marie]

From Kath's link. Be still my heart!


Republican National Committee (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/republican-national-committee.htm) Chairman Reince Priebus (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/reince-priebus.htm) has directly called on all candidates to pledge not to make a third-party run. TheRepublican Party (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/us/republican-party.htm) has leverage here: senior GOP officials say it is possible that future debates could be limited to candidates who have pledged support for the party -- a move that could leave Trump out of debates if he is still leaving open the possibility of running as an independent.

The RNC has already made it clear that it will withhold valuable party data on Republican voters from any candidate unwilling to pledge support to the party.

[Abbey Marie]

Of course, the above might make him much more likely to make a 3rd party run.

Hey Trump supporters, are you aware of this possibility, and don't care what it will do to electing a Republican?

Or do you really think he can win going 3rd party?

[Kathianne]

Of course, the above might make him much more likely to make a 3rd party run.

Hey Trump supporters, are you aware of this possibility, and don't care what it will do to electing a Republican?

Or do you really think he can win going 3rd party?

Yep, seems he's going to have to make a choice, if the RNC hold firms. I'm pretty sure that the possibility of denying him debate access without the pledge is possibility they'd rather not use. Most definitely would enrage his already head exploding supporters.

[jimnyc]

Of course, the above might make him much more likely to make a 3rd party run.

Hey Trump supporters, are you aware of this possibility, and don't care what it will do to electing a Republican?

Or do you really think he can win going 3rd party?

Allow me to try and answer this without my "head exploding", even though I see the anger from different places. I'm fine with every candidate in the GOP field thus far and have no reason to be angry with any of them, nor angry with anyone that dares express support for another one of them.

I said from day one that I don't see him running as independent and see no reason to believe otherwise. If put to the test on national TV, I wouldn't make a 100% commitment on the spot either. All options available. And I too believe it might be from a position of the lead. But if he does decide to do so in the long run, he won't get my vote.

[Gunny]

Allow me to try and answer this without my "head exploding", even though I see the anger from different places. I'm fine with every candidate in the GOP field thus far and have no reason to be angry with any of them, nor angry with anyone that dares express support for another one of them.

I said from day one that I don't see him running as independent and see no reason to believe otherwise. If put to the test on national TV, I wouldn't make a 100% commitment on the spot either. All options available. And I too believe it might be from a position of the lead. But if he does decide to do so in the long run, he won't get my vote.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I respect that. I have a problem with a couple. Trump being Numero Uno. There's nothing conservative nor Republican about him. At all. ANd he talks to people like they're dumber than he is. He's answered NO questions.

Also rans: Christie needs to just go back to Jersey and Rand Paul needs to give it up.

Trump has one chance with me. If he is actually the GOP nominee because I WILL vote against Hitlery. But then, I held my nose and voted against Obama two elections in a row for unqualified GOP candidates. Not lie he should consider himself special.

[Max R.]

Of course, the above might make him much more likely to make a 3rd party run.

Hey Trump supporters, are you aware of this possibility, and don't care what it will do to electing a Republican?

Or do you really think he can win going 3rd party?
It's clear proof Trump only cares about Trump. People like him because he's bold, but it's those same kind of people who elected a certain Chancellor to Germany in 1933. Elected.

[jimnyc]

It's clear proof Trump only cares about Trump. People like him because he's bold, but it's those same kind of people who elected a certain Chancellor to Germany in 1933. Elected.

Is that supposed to be yet another insult towards the folks who disagree with you and like a different candidate? Right away that makes them comparable to anything you feel like labeling them as? And YOU are spending more time bashing someone and less time supporting someone. THAT kind of action is what will ruin the party, quite frankly.

I suppose those who disagree should now come up with things "about those kind of people" who disagree?

I suppose that's why several questions remain unanswered. Some folks are brave enough to point fingers and label others, but either too stupid or too intellectually dishonest to answer questions of their own.

[Gunny]

It's clear proof Trump only cares about Trump. People like him because he's bold, but it's those same kind of people who elected a certain Chancellor to Germany in 1933. Elected.

Exactly. What's he actually done? Made himself rich and gotten a bunch of media attention because he can afford it. He's got a big mouth he needs introduced to a combat boot.

[Gunny]

Is that supposed to be yet another insult towards the folks who disagree with you and like a different candidate? Right away that makes them comparable to anything you feel like labeling them as? And YOU are spending more time bashing someone and less time supporting someone. THAT kind of action is what will ruin the party, quite frankly.

I suppose those who disagree should now come up with things "about those kind of people" who disagree?

I suppose that's why several questions remain unanswered. Some folks are brave enough to point fingers and label others, but either too stupid or too intellectually dishonest to answer questions of their own.

I don't think that's it. So WHO is taking it personally? Having a different opinion and tellit the truth like it is is an attack on people who think differently? I think his response was spot on, and he's expressing his opinion.

If you want to get personal, you KNOW I'll go there. I think Trump's an egomaniacal dickhead who's out for his own glory every bit as the deluded John Kerry is, and Trump is more akin to a Democrat than any real conservative I know. He's arrogant and has no manners and he got rich off our backs.

He's nothing but a divider. He's divided conservatives because true conservatives can see right through his big mouth.

[jimnyc]

Exactly. What's he actually done? Made himself rich and gotten a bunch of media attention because he can afford it. He's got a big mouth he needs introduced to a combat boot.

Might be wise to stick with going after the candidate though, as opposed to his potential supporters as if they have done something wrong.

[jimnyc]

I don't think that's it. So WHO is taking it personally? Having a different opinion and tellit the truth like it is is an attack on people who think differently? I think his response was spot on, and he's expressing his opinion.

If you want to get personal, you KNOW I'll go there. I think Trump's an egomaniacal dickhead who's out for his own glory every bit as the deluded John Kerry is, and Trump is more akin to a Democrat than any real conservative I know. He's arrogant and has no manners and he got rich off our backs.

He's nothing but a divider. He's divided conservatives because true conservatives can see right through his big mouth.

Oh, and YOU can verify that I can go there too. I'm not going to stand for ANY asshole to sit here and condemn me in ANY way because they don't like who I support. At least they can have the balls and answer questions you ask of them while they make veiled jabs at you.

[Gunny]

Might be wise to stick with going after the candidate though, as opposed to his potential supporters as if they have done something wrong.

Maybe. There's a fine line between trying to explain to hard-headed people why and what they refuse to see and being accused of attacking someone. We ALL cross it all the time.

I respect others rights to have an opinion. Doesn't mean I have to respect the opinion itself. That's what sets me apart from Hitlery, Obama and Trump. They have ZERO respect for anyone's opinions but their own.

[jimnyc]

Maybe. There's a fine line between trying to explain to hard-headed people why and what they refuse to see and being accused of attacking someone. We ALL cross it all the time.

I respect others rights to have an opinion. Doesn't mean I have to respect the opinion itself. That's what sets me apart from Hitlery, Obama and Trump. They have ZERO respect for anyone's opinions but their own.

Anything I have stated about the Trump situation has been about Turmp or Kelly or about the politicians. I have not once, until this afternoon with a few hints, gone remotely personal with anyone, not even in the same universe. Next thing you know, out comes hints of the C word, one claiming I said Trump was being PC or polite, when nothing of the sort was said, and all kinds of attacks on anyone directly who supported trump and a little less on trump himself. It's saddening when that happens, but whatever. At least some know me for a long time, and have earned the ability to "go back and forth" with me. Others just have little clue on how to debate and can only throw out large brushes, rhetoric and clapping of others words. I've never been shy about telling those "clappers" that they are assholes.

[jimnyc]

I felt the negativity burning through me more and more when I made ANY post about Trump. I had almost decided to just remain out of the subject, for not wanting to deal with the personal stuff that it brings to the table. Of course I continued, which I know was my mistake. I'm out of the back and forth and relegating myself to the sidelines. If this is how it is after one month and one debate, I don't need the headaches, accusations and other crap that comes with one voicing their opinion. Not at this point anyway. My bad for making the decision to enter any debates, my bad for any negative comments I made, and my bad if my bailing now leaves any questions lingering. I just really don't want to be a part of this.

[Perianne]

Trump has tapped the one issue that is most important to me: iillegal immigration. I think it is the only issue that matters. Planned Parenthood can be defunded. Abortion can be overridden by the Supreme Court. Welfare giveaways can be overturned. But if we stock our country with Democrat-voting foreigners, none of the above can happen. If Trump can convince me he is going to stop illegal immigration, then I will vote for him. Same thing for any other candidate.

Other people have different priorities for voting and I respect that. To me it is all about immigration.

[Gunny]

Anything I have stated about the Trump situation has been about Turmp or Kelly or about the politicians. I have not once, until this afternoon with a few hints, gone remotely personal with anyone, not even in the same universe. Next thing you know, out comes hints of the C word, one claiming I said Trump was being PC or polite, when nothing of the sort was said, and all kinds of attacks on anyone directly who supported trump and a little less on trump himself. It's saddening when that happens, but whatever. At least some know me for a long time, and have earned the ability to "go back and forth" with me. Others just have little clue on how to debate and can only throw out large brushes, rhetoric and clapping of others words. I've never been shy about telling those "clappers" that they are assholes.

Well, you know someone's going to push it. And how many years have we done this? This crap revs up the year before every election. PC and polite are NOT the same things. Throwing a tantrum on Twitter is not just letting something trivial go. He got bent out of shape because he felt he was unfairly targeted. So where's the Huckabee twitters on being nailed on abortion? Or Christie being nailed for thinking he's going to enforce a Federal marijuhauna law that's been a joke since the 60s?

So what happens if he's CinC and feels unfairly targeted by a political slight? Global thermonuclear war over one man's ego? And no offense, but maybe you have to be military to get that. WE man the front line. Not y'all. Y'all sit home and Monday morning QB. All the lefties think we are warmongers when we are the LAST people that want war. We TRAIN for it. It's the last place we want to be.

A global thermonulcear winter means we ALL die. There's no sunlight, no oxygen, just ash. If you're lucky you die of radiation poisoning right off the bat. So, while you might want to choose Max as a target, he and I sound almost exactly alike. We know the deal. Y'all know what you see on TV. He's just another Marine. You me and everyone here has gone at it at one time or another.

Another thing I can tell you is that usually the most gung ho, loudest and bullyingest wimp in the company usually wilts when the shit hits the fan. All talk.

Redirection: how many things about Trump and Obama are alike and how many are different? And I thought we fought a revolution to get rid of a totalitarian king.

Oh, and blood's thicker than water. ALL Marines bleed green.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Actually not. Assuming the Congress can't overcome the veto, whomever is president is going to have to do more than throw zingers. One would hope they have an idea or two.

Obama was very good at bad mouthing Bush, still is. Still hasn't done one positive thing for the US or world in general. Do you really want another term or two of the same? Can the world wait that out?

My friend Trump holds no political office so zingers are all he can throw. Perhaps if the moderators had asked him you'd know but instead they played gotcha--which many here say was fine. Problem with that is they didn't ask important question such as you just noted. Had they asked him--maybe we'd both know some details..
Yet the ones saying the moderators did a fine job shouldnt be asking such questions now in my opinion since those--great moderators -- never saw fit to ask and they praised them on how well they conducted the debate.. hmmm--Tyr

[Gunny]

My friend Trump holds no political office so zingers are all he can throw. Perhaps if the moderators had asked him you'd know but instead they played gotcha--which many here say was fine. Problem with that is they didn't ask important question such as you just noted. Had they asked him--maybe we'd both know some details..
Yet the ones saying the moderators did a fine job shouldnt be asking such questions now in my opinion since those--great moderators -- never saw fit to ask and they praised them on how well they conducted the debate.. hmmm--Tyr

They were supposed to be nice to him? Are you kidding? How about you get nailed where it hurts and we see how you react? He came off like a spoiled punk he thinks doesn't dare be questioned.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

They were supposed to be nice to him? Are you kidding? How about you get nailed where it hurts and we see how you react? He came off like a spoiled punk he thinks doesn't dare be questioned.

No, they were supposed to treat him just like the others but they instead targeted him.
I said nothing about being nice, I noted that they should have asked important questions. Try reading my comment.

This is my last post top board on this Trump saga.
I have already started a thread in the cage for any that hate Trump so bad as to act the way they have.
Nobody paying me to fight for who I will vote for.......
Besides , not really into this right now since I have a major problem with a serious medical issue in my family....

But hey, you guys have fun,ok.... --Tyr

[Gunny]

No, they were supposed to treat him just like the others but they instead targeted him.

This is my last post top board on this Trump saga.
I have already started a thread in the cage for any that hate Trump so bad as to act the way they have.
Nobody paying me to fight for who I will vote for.......
Besides , not really into this right now since I have a major problem with a serious medical issue in my family....

But hey, you guys have fun,ok.... --Tyr

Here's the deal. What I don't want to see is another Democrat in office. THAT is first as foremost. I don't know what you see in the guy, but knock yourself out.

Second, he's nothing he's pretending to be and he's got conservatives at each others' throats. THAT is a threat to #!, I don't want a Democrat in office.

Last time it was all the whiners that were for Santorum and refused to vote because he lost.

Don't let you eye get off the prize. If by some miracle Trump comes up the winner, I'm STILL voting against the (D). Although he would make a better Obama than any conservative.

So I guess the question is, how do YOU define conservative?

[gabosaurus]

No, they were supposed to treat him just like the others but they instead targeted him.
I said nothing about being nice, I noted that they should have asked important questions. Try reading my comment.


Tyr, do not give up. I actually enjoy reading your comments defending Trump. Someone has to, don't they.

If you look at past campaigns, the front runner has always been targeted. Remember the pitfalls that sidelined Howard Dean, John Edwards and Gary Hart. In a modern political campaign, nothing is out of bounds.

[Kathianne]

Is that supposed to be yet another insult towards the folks who disagree with you and like a different candidate? Right away that makes them comparable to anything you feel like labeling them as? And YOU are spending more time bashing someone and less time supporting someone. THAT kind of action is what will ruin the party, quite frankly.

I suppose those who disagree should now come up with things "about those kind of people" who disagree?

I suppose that's why several questions remain unanswered. Some folks are brave enough to point fingers and label others, but either too stupid or too intellectually dishonest to answer questions of their own.

Jim, the Trump supporters have no problem calling those that disagree with them all sorts of names. Responding to their hurrahs for boorish behaviors isn't off limits, is it? Responding to their 'polls' off of Drudge isn't not responding, not at all.

[Kathianne]

Might be wise to stick with going after the candidate though, as opposed to his potential supporters as if they have done something wrong.

Then his supporters should not be calling all who disagree un-Americans and worse. When someone posts on another candidate, they have time and again explained WHY the man with no positions is the answers, all others are S*its.

[LongTermGuy]

Then his supporters should not be calling all who disagree un-Americans and worse. When someone posts on another candidate, they have time and again explained WHY the man with no positions is the answers, all others are S*its.



Trump 2016!.....

*Stronger military....More Jobs (even for anti-Trump) fools......keep the Illegal Parasites out....Give the bird to > muslim terrorists...Take care of our veterans....send the little bitch leftist back to hiding....Ending the cancer of "PC"....More energy for our country....

:2up:

[Kathianne]

Trump has tapped the one issue that is most important to me: iillegal immigration. I think it is the only issue that matters. Planned Parenthood can be defunded. Abortion can be overridden by the Supreme Court. Welfare giveaways can be overturned. But if we stock our country with Democrat-voting foreigners, none of the above can happen. If Trump can convince me he is going to stop illegal immigration, then I will vote for him. Same thing for any other candidate.

Other people have different priorities for voting and I respect that. To me it is all about immigration.

I think we all agreed with his bringing amnesty up, I know I did. The way he did? Not so much. Perhaps more of interest is what he's said since, (keeping in mind he has yet to develop a full blown political team to watch for these problems. So far, it didn't appear he needed to, with his numbers. But as time goes on, he'll be left to deal with this.):

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/07/donald_trump_hints_at_merit_system_for_undocumente .html


Donald Trump suggests 'merit system' for undocumented immigrants By Brent Johnson (http://connect.nj.com/staff/bdjohnson/posts.html)
...

During Friday's interview, Trump said the U.S. should take a two-step approach to the 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the country.

"Well, the first thing we do is take the bad ones — of which there are, unfortunately, quite a few," said Trump, who owns three New Jersey golf courses and once owned three Atlantic City casinos. "We take the bad ones and get 'em the hell out. We get 'em out."


But he said the country should take a different approach with "the other ones" — i.e., undocumented immigrants who have "done a good job" since arriving in the U.S.


"I'm a very big believer in the merit system," Trump said. "I have to tell you: Some of these people have been here, they've done a good job. You know, in some cases, sadly, they've been living under the shadows. ... If somebody's been outstanding, we try and work something out.


"But before we do anything, we have to secure the border because the border is like having no border," he added.

...





I'm not disagreeing with him, but that is amnesty my friends.

[Gunny]

I think we all agreed with his bringing amnesty up, I know I did. The way he did? Not so much. Perhaps more of interest is what he's said since, (keeping in mind he has yet to develop a full blown political team to watch for these problems. So far, it didn't appear he needed to, with his numbers. But as time goes on, he'll be left to deal with this.):

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/07/donald_trump_hints_at_merit_system_for_undocumente .html



I'm not disagreeing with him, but that is amnesty my friends.

I think that's what's being lost sight of. It's more important than you think though. When you have conservatives supporting an Obama clone, you got a problem.

[Kathianne]

Ok, I left here mere minutes ago being a tad upset from posts today from three of my favorite posters. Guys, I can't help myself I am a political geek. I know I hide it well, but alas it comes out-ask any Ron Paul fans from years ago. Sigh.

So to calm myself down and the first thing I run across is. Just earlier I admitted to being the caller of Kelly as a mean girl:


http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/212269/

AUGUST 10, 2015

MILO YIANNOPOULOS: Mean Girls: Why the Only People Women Should Fear Online Are Other Women. (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/10/mean-girls-why-the-only-people-women-should-fear-online-are-other-women/) “Women are alarmingly quick to grab for the proverbial weave, and just like a real-world catfight, dirty tactics are the norm – as is foul, sexualised and degrading language. Research from the Demos think tank has found that women are just as likely, if not more so, to use words like ‘slut’ and ‘whore’ as terms of abuse directed at women. Yet the media continues to present these stories as male-on-female cruelty, when the situation is, to say the least, more complicated than that. Why pass up on the chance to play another round of pin the tail on the patriarchy? . . . As usual, the truth resists political correctness. Women are more likely to be internet harassers than men. And they have been calling each other all manner of horrible things for millennia. They’ve even come up with a name for it: ‘trashing.’ It’s often a way for high-status women to bully and ridicule poorer or less attractive girls; as ever, it’s all about social status and attracting the best quality husband.”



Read the whole thing. “Mariah Carey’s favourite movie Mean Girls was, if anything, a low-key version of the truth: research from evolutionary psychologist David Buss has found that women are hardwired to detect flaws in the appearance and character of fellow women. As the world’s preeminent hag specialist, your correspondent must agree. There’s a reason Tina Fey’s character in that movie says: ‘You all have got to stop calling each other sluts and whores. It just makes it ok for guys to call you sluts and whores.’ Where do you think bros get the idea that it’s an effective put-down in the first place, ladies? Yep,you!”

[Russ]

No, they were supposed to treat him just like the others but they instead targeted him.
I said nothing about being nice, I noted that they should have asked important questions. Try reading my comment.

This is my last post top board on this Trump saga.
I have already started a thread in the cage for any that hate Trump so bad as to act the way they have.
Nobody paying me to fight for who I will vote for.......
Besides , not really into this right now since I have a major problem with a serious medical issue in my family....

But hey, you guys have fun,ok.... --Tyr

Tyr-Ziu,
I will miss your posts if you are going to drop out of this thread. Donald Trump really is a great conversation piece.
I've already stated that he isn't in my top five, but I'd still be happy if I knew he were going to be the next Prez. I think it would usher in a new era on non-political-correctness and that would be like a breath of fresh air. I also give Trump credit for being the first "politician" to learn something that I've thought was obvious for years - never apologize in politics. The habit of accepting apologies disappeared decades ago, so apologizing (in politics) has turned into nothing more than admitting guilt and justifying everyone attacks on you.

[Max R.]

Is that supposed to be yet another insult towards the folks who disagree with you and like a different candidate? Right away that makes them comparable to anything you feel like labeling them as? And YOU are spending more time bashing someone and less time supporting someone. THAT kind of action is what will ruin the party, quite frankly.

I suppose those who disagree should now come up with things "about those kind of people" who disagree?

I suppose that's why several questions remain unanswered. Some folks are brave enough to point fingers and label others, but either too stupid or too intellectually dishonest to answer questions of their own.
No. Truth, history and facts are never insulting. Trump's history have never shown him to sincerely care about others nor this country. Everything Trump does serves Trump, not anyone else.

However, I'd be happy to read any evidence to the contrary you have to present.

[Max R.]

Ninnies and cowards like you guys put folks like Obama in office. I'll stay away from the pussies and look larger. Truth, history and facts and all.
Disagreed. It's ninnies and cowards who hide their comments from public view instead of bringing them out in the open.

Now ban me, delete this post or otherwise act like a coward if you like.

[jimnyc]

Disagreed. It's ninnies and cowards who hide their comments from public view instead of bringing them out in the open.

Now ban me, delete this post or otherwise act like a coward if you like.

Yep, I sent it. Now try reading the rules, uneducated dickhead. And you think I'm a coward? LOL Check your PM's in a minute, and while you wait, see if you can read and actually comprehend the rules, weak marine with ZERO honor.

[jimnyc]

Disagreed. It's ninnies and cowards who hide their comments from public view instead of bringing them out in the open.

Now ban me, delete this post or otherwise act like a coward if you like.

There, message sent, and I can post it here if you like too. I had stated I was bailing out of these threads. You came back with your insults again, I took my insult to PM. You took a little fruity pussy tizzy and brought it back to share with others. That's what dishonorable folks do.

Now act like a coward if you like. You don't frighten me, marines don't frighten me. Marines can get LOTS of honor, and scumbags can give it up and/or lose it just as quickly.

[Max R.]

Yep, I sent it. Now try reading the rules, uneducated dickhead. And you think I'm a coward? LOL Check your PM's in a minute, and while you wait, see if you can read and actually comprehend the rules, weak marine with ZERO honor.

Your PM and my response:

So fruity marine, you think I'm a coward? Marines and Navy give someone honor, but assholes can just as easily give it up when they leave. Being one of them means shit to me, and doesn't scare me. I have no fear, and no doubt that it would be a large mistake on your part.

But simply say the word and my # and full address comes your way. But you can be an online tough guy and a real life tough guy if you choose.

Now take your gay marine papers and shove them up your dishonorable ass.



So fruity marine, you think I'm a coward? ....Yes, I do. It's an underhanded, cowardly cheap shot to do something under the table and not have the guts to do it in public.

[Kathianne]

Might be wise to stick with going after the candidate though, as opposed to his potential supporters as if they have done something wrong.

I have been trying to do just that with my posts. My responses are to what others have posted, that is what the debate is about. One person gives their perceived explanation or understanding, another responds. I've truly tried to avoid name calling, though several of those supporting Mr. T have repeatedly not returned the favor.

[jimnyc]

Your PM and my response:

Since you can't follow rules, and are a marine with little to zero honor, let's keep it public then. 3x now I have offered to take this private and between us, and now you seek to keep things in "public" so you have support for your sorry ass.

I'll make a thread in the cage so others need not have to deal with this.

[Kathianne]

I felt the negativity burning through me more and more when I made ANY post about Trump. I had almost decided to just remain out of the subject, for not wanting to deal with the personal stuff that it brings to the table. Of course I continued, which I know was my mistake. I'm out of the back and forth and relegating myself to the sidelines. If this is how it is after one month and one debate, I don't need the headaches, accusations and other crap that comes with one voicing their opinion. Not at this point anyway. My bad for making the decision to enter any debates, my bad for any negative comments I made, and my bad if my bailing now leaves any questions lingering. I just really don't want to be a part of this.
For my part, sorry if the discussions have seemed too personal. The good point here, it's not boring and post counts should be ticking up? ;)

[jimnyc]

Bring it in here then if you don't want to take things private and save the threads - http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?51028-Dishonorable-Marine-Max

My address is included in there, since I'm such a coward. Now we'll find out who is the coward, and who is a fake marine.

[jimnyc]

Everyone on this board knows that divulging of PM's and Reps are against the rules. Hell, it's not like it's not IN WRITING. Anyway, MAx was removed JUST FROM THIS THREAD for doing so, as opposed to the usual board ban for doing so. Now HE is acting the whiney coward for doing so. This ban lasted LESS than 3-5 minutes, and I'm now UNbanning him from this thread. I don't care about this thread, but I think he is using the excuse to be a coward and run from the board, run from the cage thread. He acted the tough guy and putting folks down, then when pushed, he plays the coward card, then pushed further and wants to backtrack on the coward part. I guess some don't like getting it in return, and RUN as fast as hell instead. AND apparently are too fucking stupid to read the board rules, and then whine yet again when they are too fucking stupid and break them.

[tailfins]

Everyone on this board knows that divulging of PM's and Reps are against the rules. Hell, it's not like it's not IN WRITING.

That may be, but it's nice to see a reminder now and then.

[jimnyc]

Ok, then here's a reminder, to those incapable of reading the rules that have been around forever.

Private Messages - Any communication between members and/or staff via the private message system will remain private. Discussing of PM's on the forum without explicit permission will result in disciplinary action. The PM system should also not be used to harass other members. Although we do not read PM's, members can forward them to staff if they feel they are being harassed. Staff does not have the ability to directly read PM's, nor will they ever.

Reputation System - Should not be used as a means to harass someone. Please avoid vulgarity, threats or over the top comments. Staff can view comments and have the ability to delete comments. Additionally, reputation comments should be treated as private, and therefore comments left should not be discussed on the board.

[Gunny]

Oh, and YOU can verify that I can go there too. I'm not going to stand for ANY asshole to sit here and condemn me in ANY way because they don't like who I support. At least they can have the balls and answer questions you ask of them while they make veiled jabs at you.

Sure I can. We've had more than one pissing contest. Usually over something "important" like what color the air is.:laugh: I wouldn't vote for either of us to be President. Give you a pot of coffee and me a bottle of Wild Turkey and IT's ON.:laugh:

I think not only should people be more careful with the questions they ask, but those that are a little thin-skinned might want to back off a bit on the emotional, knee-jerk responses. We're still over a year out from election. We've survived them since 04.

And maybe I'm getting old. Elections come and go and we get the same, usual suspects.

Oh, and "bleeding green" means once a Marine ALWAYS a Marine. We aren't allowed to be political at all. We accomplish the mission. Whether Reagan is President or Clinton. We look at what's going on and make our decisions and NOBODY talks politics in the Corps. We just mostly make fun of them. Max comes from that POV. SO do I. And he can defend himself, I don't need to. My point is simply this: I've had it out with most everyone on this board over the years, and most of the civilians I've worked with because "we" don't speak like y'all.

Give the guy a break. He speaks jarhead. I understand everything he says. One of the biggest things I had to learn once I retired is civilians don't walk around threatening to kill each other and/or destroy their neighborhoods. Y'all take that crap seriously when it's just how we talk to each other. You have no idea what our world is like. And most of us wonder why we sacrificed so much of our lives to protect your right to be goofballs.

Try looking at what he says in a different light. Y'all think Trump is so cool for running off at the mouth, but you NEVER have to guess what a Marine is thinking. We'll let you know all about the shit.

[tailfins]

Ok, then here's a reminder, to those incapable of reading the rules that have been around forever.

It's not a matter of being incapable of reading the rules, it could be difficulty multi-tasking. It pays to re-read all the rules every now and then to keep one's focus on them.

[jimnyc]

Sure I can. We've had more than one pissing contest. Usually over something "important" like what color the air is.:laugh: I wouldn't vote for either of us to be President. Give you a pot of coffee and me a bottle of Wild Turkey and IT's ON.:laugh:

I think not only should people be more careful with the questions they ask, but those that are a little thin-skinned might want to back off a bit on the emotional, knee-jerk responses. We're still over a year out from election. We've survived them since 04.

And maybe I'm getting old. Elections come and go and we get the same, usual suspects.

Oh, and "bleeding green" means once a Marine ALWAYS a Marine. We aren't allowed to be political at all. We accomplish the mission. Whether Reagan is President or Clinton. We look at what's going on and make our decisions and NOBODY talks politics in the Corps. We just mostly make fun of them. Max comes from that POV. SO do I. And he can defend himself, I don't need to. My point is simply this: I've had it out with most everyone on this board over the years, and most of the civilians I've worked with because "we" don't speak like y'all.

Give the guy a break. He speaks jarhead. I understand everything he says. One of the biggest things I had to learn once I retired is civilians don't walk around threatening to kill each other and/or destroy their neighborhoods. Y'all take that crap seriously when it's just how we talk to each other. You have no idea what our world is like. And most of us wonder why we sacrificed so much of our lives to protect your right to be goofballs.

Try looking at what he says in a different light. Y'all think Trump is so cool for running off at the mouth, but you NEVER have to guess what a Marine is thinking. We'll let you know all about the shit.

Sorry, he gets ZERO breaks because he is a marine. In fact, I would expect a little more from him. But running to paste my rep here, then running to copy my PM here. Then running to put something in his signature, and then in his profile stating "he was banned for disagreeing with admin" - which was NOT the case even remotely. Then changing his avatar to reflect the same. He goaded and pushed me and broke rules and called me out as a coward. Then he acts like a little girl for a timeout for breaking the written rules, and even then it was a thread ban, which lasted a few moments. He pushed and pushed and pushed. And then when I pushed back, he acted like a little girl, and then started altering his profile like the little ninnie liberals have in the past when they didn't get their way. It was a COWARD response for me pointing out he broke the rules, and for me pointing out that I didn't care for his bullshit. And now he runs, claims he has been banned and such. But don't worry, I guarantee you that this will be the last time this happens with me and some weak asshole that comes here.

[tailfins]

Sorry, he gets ZERO breaks because he is a marine. In fact, I would expect a little more from him. But running to paste my rep here, then running to copy my PM here. Then running to put something in his signature, and then in his profile stating "he was banned for disagreeing with admin" - which was NOT the case even remotely. Then changing his avatar to reflect the same. He goaded and pushed me and broke rules and called me out as a coward. Then he acts like a little girl for a timeout for breaking the written rules, and even then it was a thread ban, which lasted a few moments. He pushed and pushed and pushed. And then when I pushed back, he acted like a little girl, and then started altering his profile like the little ninnie liberals have in the past when they didn't get their way. It was a COWARD response for me pointing out he broke the rules, and for me pointing out that I didn't care for his bullshit. And now he runs, claims he has been banned and such. But don't worry, I guarantee you that this will be the last time this happens with me and some weak asshole that comes here.

Everybody can have a bad day.

[Gunny]

No, they were supposed to treat him just like the others but they instead targeted him.
I said nothing about being nice, I noted that they should have asked important questions. Try reading my comment.

This is my last post top board on this Trump saga.
I have already started a thread in the cage for any that hate Trump so bad as to act the way they have.
Nobody paying me to fight for who I will vote for.......
Besides , not really into this right now since I have a major problem with a serious medical issue in my family....

But hey, you guys have fun,ok.... --Tyr

No they didn't. He got treated like the front-runner. He's not special. They hit him where it hurts and he reacted my like my 3 years old granddaughter. THAT is the whole point.

If he can't take incoming from conservatives, what the Hell's he going to do when the left decides he's a threat and goes after every breath?

I'm sorry about the medical issue and hope everything works out. Take some time out and take care of your business. I doubt anyone here will hold it against you. Real life is more important than a message board.

[Perianne]

Sure I can. We've had more than one pissing contest. Usually over something "important" like what color the air is.:laugh:

Kinda off the subject....

My dog farted last night. It was so terrible I swear you could see the air. It had a greenish tent. Terrible, terrible flatus.

[Gunny]

Kinda off the subject....

My dog farted last night. It was so terrible I swear you could see the air. It had a greenish tent. Terrible, terrible flatus.

The point is, Jim and I will argue about anything. We're still around. It's like having a little brother. I can kick the crap out of him and pull every mean trick in the book on him. Don't you though. That's exclusive property.

I should point out Jim has banned John and Jeff more times than he has me. :laugh:

[tailfins]

Kinda off the subject....

My dog farted last night. It was so terrible I swear you could see the air. It had a greenish tent. Terrible, terrible flatus.

You should stop feeding that three bean salad your guests won't eat to your dog.

[Perianne]

The point is, Jim and I will argue about anything. We're still around. It's like having a little brother. I can kick the crap out of him and pull every mean trick in the book on him. Don't you though. That's exclusive property.

I should point out Jim has banned John and Jeff more times than he has me. :laugh:

I hope you don't treat your friend Snyder that way!

[Gunny]

You should stop feeding that three bean salad your guests won't eat to your dog.

Okay, that's gross. Funny, but gross. :laugh:

[Perianne]

You should stop feeding that three bean salad your guests won't eat to your dog.


Okay, that's gross. Funny, but gross. :laugh:

Is "three bean salad" something vulgar that I don't know about?

[Gunny]

Opinions about Trump as a fairly un-Presidential Presidential candidate aside, I am not sure that all women deserve better, more sensitive treatment, than men these days. Yes, there are still many individual women who deserve to be treated very respectfully (and men, too). But if we are going to be foul-mouthed, dress like hookers, participate in cage fights, or full-on attack TV debaters, we are no longer delicate flowers in need of cosseting. Basic human respect, yes. But anything special, no. And frankly, that is the way feminists should want it in order to not be hypocritical.

I kind of agree. What I noticed about living in both North and South and being from the South, we -- especially people of my generation -- still hold doors open and seat the little lady at the table and other stuff like that -- we're different people. No one wants to accept that. For instance, I had an acquaintance on this board for years ...

She used to mow the lawn, snowblow the driveway and (egads) even cook on the grill. They'd line up in the South to kick your ass for watching a woman do ANY of that crap. ANY man in South that lets a woman on the BBQ is replacement worthy. And you better be working 18 hour days if she's on the lawn mower. :laugh:

Not sure about the "delicate flower" thing but you're still women. Another difference people with an agenda don't want to recognize.

[Kathianne]

From Kath's link. Be still my heart!

It seems Trump is now 'this close' to rule out 3rd party run-for now, from what he told GOP. Then he went on to 'hedge':

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/26/report-trump-tells-gop-leaders-he-wont-run-as-an-independent/


Report: Trump tells GOP leaders he won’t run as an independentPOSTED AT 8:01 PM ON AUGUST 26, 2015 BY ALLAHPUNDIT
Finally, some Trump-related news that fans and critics can each celebrate. If you’re a fan, a third-party run was always going to be an exercise in narcissism destined to fail. If you’re a critic, you’re far better off trying to stop Trump in the primaries and accepting the small risk of him winning the nomination than you are having him go indie and creating a huge risk that he’ll torpedo the GOP nominee’s chances in the general. No one wins with Trump going third-party — not Trump, not populists, not the establishment. The only winner is Clinton 2.0.


If you believe HuffPo (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-telling-gop-brass-he-will-forego-a-third-party-run-sources_55de06eae4b04ae4970577d3?oypn9udi), the man’s made his choice. We can trust Donald Trump to be true to his word, can’t we?

...

Roger Ailes thought he had a deal with Trump too, noted one GOP operative, until he turned around and started attacking Megyn Kelly again. Like I said yesterday (http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/25/gops-new-idea-to-stop-trump-make-candidates-pledge-to-support-the-nominee-in-order-to-qualify-for-the-ballot/), the silver lining for critics in Trump’s soaring polls is that the more convinced he is that he has a legit chance at the GOP nomination, the less reason he has to leave the party and play impish spoiler...


Then again, unless he really does win the nomination, we’re destined for several “What destructive form will Trump’s anguish over his ego-smashing impending defeat take?” news cycles regardless. That’s why I keep thinking that unless he’s way ahead in one or more of the early states come New Year’s, he’ll find an excuse to drop out and spend the rest of the campaign sniping at the GOP field from the sidelines, assuring everyone that he would have won if only he’d hung around. The Trump brand can’t absorb the risk of humiliating public defeat to someone from a group of people he’s already dismissed as losers and phonies.

...

Update: Hugh Hewitt asked Trump about the HuffPo story this afternoon. He agreed that the GOP’s been treating him fairly and says he’ll fully commit to the party “at some point.” Hmmm.

[Perianne]

It seems Trump is now 'this close' to rule out 3rd party run-for now, from what he told GOP. Then he went on to 'hedge':

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/26/report-trump-tells-gop-leaders-he-wont-run-as-an-independent/

They don't get it. Hit pieces that this ^ make people pull for Trump even harder.

[Kathianne]

They don't get it. Hit pieces that this ^ make people pull for Trump even harder.

Anything that isn't pro-Trump is a hit piece?

[Perianne]

Anything that isn't pro-Trump is a hit piece?

The link refers to a failed Trump attempt to gain the nomination as "impish spoiler", "embittered clown", "sniping".... Yes, it was a hit piece.

[Kathianne]

The link refers to a failed Trump attempt to gain the nomination as "impish spoiler", "embittered clown", "sniping".... Yes, it was a hit piece.

Read it how you will, I notice you didn't answer how long is 'too long?'

A few ill chosen words define hit piece for you, yet extensive use of hyperbole doesn't bother you much from what you've posted of late. I suppose we all do hear what we want to, to some extent at least.

[Perianne]

Read it how you will, I notice you didn't answer how long is 'too long?'

A few ill chosen words define hit piece for you, yet extensive use of hyperbole doesn't bother you much from what you've posted of late. I suppose we all do hear what we want to, to some extent at least.

It's all yours. I will not respond to nor post any further Trump-related links or data.

[gabosaurus]

Anything that isn't pro-Trump is a hit piece?

Did you think otherwise? Usually anything that isn't pro-conservative is a "hit piece."