How NOT to land an SU-35

[NightTrain]

This happened at an airshow... I'm thinking the pilot is probably scrubbing potatoes in Siberia right now.

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[Voted4Reagan]

wow..... if it had been a Carrier he'd have killed himself and sunk the ship...

[Balu]

This happened at an airshow... I'm thinking the pilot is probably scrubbing potatoes in Siberia right now.

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Yes. It happened in 2014 when the pilot tried to do the following, but a gust of crosswind ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJql1Wy32eE

[Balu]

Sometimes it happens so...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzH3zBau-cI

[jimnyc]

I landed an SU-35 once.

[Balu]

I landed an SU-35 once.

Flight simulator may give a good joy! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEr0ZCA9_ok#t=45

[NightTrain]

I landed an SU-35 once.

True story.

I was there and saw the whole thing.

[Gunny]

wow..... if it had been a Carrier he'd have killed himself and sunk the ship...

Nah. He'd have ran off the deck. Might have screwed up the foc'sle when the boat ran over his ass.:laugh:

[Gunny]

I landed an SU-35 once.

Was that before or after you took off?:laugh:

[NightTrain]

Sometimes it happens so...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzH3zBau-cI


LOL

I hope everyone present, and especially the pilot, were wearing their brown uniforms that day. Thrust vectoring saved his ass there.

[NightTrain]

I landed an SU-35 once.


This was my reaction when Jim rolled in for the landing.

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[Gunny]

This was my reaction when Jim rolled in for the landing.

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'm just diving off the starboard side.:laugh:

[Max R.]

This happened at an airshow... I'm thinking the pilot is probably scrubbing potatoes in Siberia right now.

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Nice recovery on his part. From 0:12 to 0:24 the wind sock is dancing around a bit but indicates a light tailwind, which doesn't explain the sudden wing drop. His approach and landing appeared normal until the right wing suddenly lifted.

http://www.winddirection.com/wp-content/uploads/windtracker-811chart-250.gif

[NightTrain]

Nice recovery on his part. From 0:12 to 0:24 the wind sock is dancing around a bit but indicates a light tailwind, which doesn't explain the sudden wing drop. His approach and landing appeared normal until the right wing suddenly lifted.

http://www.winddirection.com/wp-content/uploads/windtracker-811chart-250.gif

It looked to me like his left wing stalled and the computers really kicked in gangbusters to get things shipshape again. Still, that wingtip hit the runway and that could have been a catastrophic landing.

[Max R.]

It looked to me like his left wing stalled and the computers really kicked in gangbusters to get things shipshape again. Still, that wingtip hit the runway and that could have been a catastrophic landing.
Since both wings were level just before the wing drop/wing lift (depending on your perspective) it doesn't make sense for one wing to stall and the other not to do so unless there was an asymmetrical malfunction of the flaps and/or slats.

Depending on the cause of the problem, dragging a wingtip is mostly a maintenance repair issue. The jet is so massive, that dragging an aluminum and composite wingtip isn't going to stop it or significantly change its direction. The tip will just shear off.

Still, the cause of the "bobble" is interesting. It could be pilot error, but I think something else was going on. Either an odd wind gust or a mechanical issue.

[NightTrain]

Since both wings were level just before the wing drop/wing lift (depending on your perspective) it doesn't make sense for one wing to stall and the other not to do so unless there was an asymmetrical malfunction of the flaps and/or slats.

Depending on the cause of the problem, dragging a wingtip is mostly a maintenance repair issue. The jet is so massive, that dragging an aluminum and composite wingtip isn't going to stop it or significantly change its direction. The tip will just shear off.

Still, the cause of the "bobble" is interesting. It could be pilot error, but I think something else was going on. Either an odd wind gust or a mechanical issue.

Yeah, I assumed it was a gust of wind that hit the plane as he bounced combined with a low airspeed.

Also, you can see the nose pitch up slightly, maybe overcorrections on his part when he realized his descent was too great?

[Gunny]

Yeah, I assumed it was a gust of wind that hit the plane as he bounced combined with a low airspeed.

Also, you can see the nose pitch up slightly, maybe overcorrections on his part when he realized his descent was too great?

If Jim's flying I'm donning SCUBA gear. I know how to make that crap work.:laugh:

[fj1200]

Since both wings were level just before the wing drop/wing lift (depending on your perspective) it doesn't make sense for one wing to stall and the other not to do so unless there was an asymmetrical malfunction of the flaps and/or slats.

Depending on the cause of the problem, dragging a wingtip is mostly a maintenance repair issue. The jet is so massive, that dragging an aluminum and composite wingtip isn't going to stop it or significantly change its direction. The tip will just shear off.

Still, the cause of the "bobble" is interesting. It could be pilot error, but I think something else was going on. Either an odd wind gust or a mechanical issue.

I don't think he was level when first trying to land. The wheels hit at different times and it looks like he bounced off the landing gear.

[Max R.]

Yeah, I assumed it was a gust of wind that hit the plane as he bounced combined with a low airspeed.

Also, you can see the nose pitch up slightly, maybe overcorrections on his part when he realized his descent was too great?
It wouldn't be the first time a pilot overcorrected when surprised. A good possibility.

[Max R.]

I don't think he was level when first trying to land. The wheels hit at different times and it looks like he bounced off the landing gear.
He was off a bit, but "wing down, top rudder" landings off result in one wheel touching first. It's what happened afterwards that resulted in an even bigger "bobble" that is odd.