Thank to everybody, who worried.

[Balu]

First of all my Heart Thanks to you, my American neighbors (two excluded) by the Globe.
I returned today morning back home to Moscow (Russia) with my Grandson fm Europe.
You must have remembered about my initial purpose of my appearing here - to 'refresh' my English prior to my going with him and to SHOW him the Europe.
Tomorrow morning I'll kiss him good-bye to Irkutsk for two weeks. He will be able to see the Baikal Lake - a tour around this Lake on Jeeps (see the map), being supervised by my and his native relatives 10-15 years older than him.
Sorry, but all the details a bit later. I really need to have some rest to be tomorrow morning in form.
For your information have a glance of what he'll see.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GO9_imbB1Y *(1)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_-JqTqASDg

(*)
There are some friends of mine from St. Petersburg "Sang Young" Club. They covered over 2,500 to see this Beaty and returned back. Those, whom my Grandson join, are of the same Nature.
P.S.
"Funny gunny", ready to cover such distances on your belly? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/laugh1.gif

[NightTrain]

I thought you might be on a trip of some kind!

What is a 'Beaty'? Rock-n-Roll music group?

[jimnyc]

lad to see you back and alive. I thought maybe Putin sent you off to Siberia. :)

[Balu]

Tomorrow morning, waving good-bye to my Grandson's taking off jet, me, directly from MOW airport "Domodedovo", I'll drive my C-class car to my Nizhiy Novgorod residence for summer and fall, and hope to be home somewhere at 2 p.m., having covered at about 700 km. So, wish me "good luck", neighbors. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

[NightTrain]

Safe travels, Balu.

[Balu]

lad to see you back and alive.(1) I thought maybe Putin sent you off to Siberia.(2) :)

1. You really thought, that after my landing in Berlin I'll take my AK-47 from my trousers and will start shooting down all the Germans around me for the memory of MY Father Fate, and after 30-45 victims I would be shot down?
You'd better have a talk with my watchbear. He'll explain you for sure, that I am fluffy, and that I have a result 49 of 50 from 25 m. with "Makarov" means nothing.
2. No objections!
The best climate, natural products and the best ecology - all these may prolong my still healthy life. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/friends.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv-XrmS0te0

I drank in the spring woods birch sap,
With the beloved singer in a haystack slept,
I loved - lost that was not saved,
I was brave and lucky, but luck did not know.

And bore me like an autumn leaf.
I changed names, I changed the city.
I inhaled the dust Overseas roads
Where not smell the flowers without a moon.

And I butts thrown overboard into the ocean,
Cursed the beauty of the islands and seas
And the Brazilian malarial swamp fog,
And the wine taverns, melancholy camps.

Inapplicable to life but from the beginning to start,
Fly to his beloved songbird.
Yes, that's only to find out whether the motherland
One of the missing sons?

I drank in the spring woods birch sap,
With the beloved singer in a haystack slept,
I loved - lost that had - not saved,
I was brave and lucky, but luck did not know.

[tailfins]

First of all my Heart Thanks to you, my American neighbors (two excluded) by the Globe.
I returned today morning back home to Moscow (Russia) with my Grandson fm Europe.
You must have remembered about my initial purpose of my appearing here - to 'refresh' my English prior to my going with him and to SHOW him the Europe.
Tomorrow morning I'll kiss him good-bye to Irkutsk for two weeks. He will be able to see the Baikal Lake - a tour around this Lake on Jeeps (see the map), being supervised by my and his native relatives 10-15 years older than him.
Sorry, but all the details a bit later. I really need to have some rest to be tomorrow morning in form.
For your information have a glance of what he'll see.

(*)
There are some friends of mine from St. Petersburg "Sang Young" Club. They covered over 2,500 to see this Beaty and returned back. Those, whom my Grandson join, are of the same Nature.
P.S.
"Funny gunny", ready to cover such distances on your belly? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/laugh1.gif

I'm glad you made that clear. When you insult someone for being a lifelong anti-Communist, you will make an enemy. Stop the put-downs and we will get along just fine. If you want a reference where my point of view comes, read about the John Birch Society. The Soviets made one of our leaders, Congressman Larry McDonald, the only Congressman killed by the Soviets.


Put simply, John Birch was a devoted Christian missionary who heroically served in World War II and was killed by Chinese Communists 10 days after the end of the war, when he was only 27. Communists that were supposedly WWII allies with the U.S.


Robert Welch explained at the founding meeting of The John Birch Society why he had chosen John as the namesake for the organization. He said, " …the young man I admire most of all those America has produced was a fundamentalist Baptist missionary named John Birch. My own obsession with this fight against the increasing forces of evil in the world, which … has caused me to give up business career and income and any prospect of ever having any peace or leisure again during my lifetime, is due in large part to my admiration for John Birch; to my feeling that I simply had to pick up and carry, to the utmost of my ability and energy, the torch of a humane righteousness which he was carrying so well and so faithfully when the Communists struck him down."

http://www.jbs.org/about-jbs/core-principles

Try studying the ideology of Individualism.

http://freedomkeys.com/collectivism.htm (http://www.slideshare.net/uncstaff/individualism-collectivism-high-and-low-context)


"Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and the smallest minority on earth is the individual)." -- Ayn Rand (http://freedomkeys.com/rights.htm)


"This right to life, this right to liberty, and this right to pursue one’s happiness is unabashedly individualistic, without in the slightest denying at the same time our thoroughly social nature. It’s only that our social relations, while vital to us all, must be chosen -* that is what makes the crucial difference." -- Prof. Tibor R. Machan, HERE (http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/machan/machan31.html) and HERE (http://snipurl.com/hvrl)


"Individualism is a concept which the advocates of most political systems try desperately to avoid. They'd prefer that political contests, debates and symposia were limited to answering loaded questions such as, 'WHICH type of powerful government should we have?', 'WHICH type of dictatorship do you tend to prefer?", 'WHAT KINDS of intrusiveness should government engage in?' and,'WHICH type of control freaks are best suited to run your life for you?'... They often get upset, even hysterical, if you point out that socialism, fascism (http://www.lawrence.edu/sorg/objectivism/socfasc.html), communism and mixed-economy welfare-states have a lot in common.1 They carry on and on as if non-essentials such as style(!) or WHAT anybody sacrifices individual rights in the name of (the master race, the proletariat, the society, the common good, the majority, the country, the fatherland, the motherland the brother-in-law-land, the revered leader or savior or god or whatever) is a big freakin' deal, especially as only in their particular fantasies do they imagine everyone, the enforcers and even their victims, acting forever polite and cooperative in the sacrifice-extracting rituals (as have many fledgling and would-be dictators, including the incredibly bloody Pol Pot (http://freedomkeys.com/paradox.htm#pol) at first)." -- Rick Gaber (http://freedomkeys.com/kneejerk2.htm#newsflash)
"Freedom is an intellectual achievement which requires disavowal of collectivism and embrace of individualism." -- Onkar Ghate
"The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedom." -- U.S. Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
"They conferred, as against the Government (http://freedomkeys.com/gummint.htm), the right to be let alone--the most prehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men." -- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis (Olmstead v. U.S.)
"The right to be let alone is the underlying principle of the Constitution's Bill of Rights." -- Erwin N. Griswold
"You have to ask yourself, 'Who owns me? Do I own myself or am I just another piece of government property?' " -- Neal Boortz

[Balu]

The last accord for today, my neighbors. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j4-OV4XHgk


Spotlight fumbles gently on the hillock
And on this night seems darker
Month that I did not take off shirt
Which month is not unbutton belts
I have in my left pocket of the shell
In his pouch embroidered fragrant home-grown tobacco
Soldier of surplus property is not necessary
You - me, me - to you, without looking like they say on the front.

A soldier keeps in his coat pocket faded
A letter from the mother, but a handful of native land
We for Victory did not regret
We even heart as "NC" are not cherished
What do you wish to fight today
After all, we are in the fire and the smoke does not go to awards
Let's switch fate with you
You - me, me - to you, without looking like they say on the front.

We have learned under fire not walk hunched
With housing casual leave not grieving
That's because what we, the native Guards Corps
One hundred grams of a trailer have a drink for you
As long as the clouds above the ground more closely
For us there is no peace and there is no way back
So what you and I share my farewell
You - me, me - to you, without looking like they say on the front.

[Balu]

Try studying the ideology of Individualism.


Once, when I were too young, one of a clever persons, whom a plenty of (I am lucky) I met in my "Life road", said - "Mind! Where YOU are being taught, I AM delivering Lectures". The hint got, I hope? You are NOT a "funny-gunny"? Do TRUST me, my vocabulary is rather rich to find OTHER so-sonic words to "gunny". Please DO think it over WHY I am not doing this. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/friends.gif

[Balu]

The last accord for today, my neighbors. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j4-OV4XHgk


Spotlight fumbles gently on the hillock
And on this night seems darker
Month that I did not take off shirt
Which month is not unbutton belts
I have in my left pocket of the shell
In his pouch embroidered fragrant home-grown tobacco
Soldier of surplus property is not necessary
You - me, me - to you, without looking like they say on the front.

A soldier keeps in his coat pocket faded
A letter from the mother, but a handful of native land
We for Victory did not regret
We even heart as "NC" are not cherished
What do you wish to fight today
After all, we are in the fire and the smoke does not go to awards
Let's switch fate with you
You - me, me - to you, without looking like they say on the front.

We have learned under fire not walk hunched
With housing casual leave not grieving
That's because what we, the native Guards Corps
One hundred grams of a trailer have a drink for you
As long as the clouds above the ground more closely
For us there is no peace and there is no way back
So what you and I share my farewell
You - me, me - to you, without looking like they say on the front.


For "funny-gunnies" to see the clip above.

P.S.
I really respect you Gunny! No Jokes! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/personal/hi.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqLteKrNuhU

[LongTermGuy]

Balu is back!!!:cool:

Good to see you back Balu...:thumb:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Balu is back!!!:cool:

Good to see you back Balu...:thumb:
Glad to see that he was traveling and visiting his family. And returned safely home..--Tyr

[Jeff]

Welcome back my little commie Buddy, I knew you wouldn't leave without a goodbye.

Hope you had a good time with the grand child, glad all is safe.

[Balu]

Well, my 2 friends and the other neighbors. (a joke)
Thous of you, who are attentive and curious, must have noticed that there are NO morning flights from MOW to Irkutsk. But...
My Grandson flew with a crew of Military Aviation and enjoyed his being in a cock.
He spent 2 hours less to get to Irkutsk. (see the map)
He phoned me back and he is All Right in the warmest arms of MY relatives.
See, Americans, I am doing a start of MY Grandson life?
What should you say?
P.S.
The opinion of Gunny will be especially appreciated.

[Jeff]

Well, my 2 friends and the other neighbors. (a joke)
Thous of you, who are attentive and curious, must have noticed that there are NO morning flights from MOW to Irkutsk. But...
My Grandson flew with a crew of Military Aviation and enjoyed his being in a cock.
He spent 2 hours less to get to Irkutsk. (see the map)
He phoned me back and he is All Right in the warmest arms of MY relatives.
See, Americans, I am doing a start of MY Grandson life?
What should you say?
P.S.
The opinion of Gunny will be especially appreciated.

Yes I would also appreciate Gunny's statement on this, I do believe it would be rather colorful. :laugh:

[Balu]

Yes I would also appreciate Gunny's statement on this, I do believe it would be rather colorful. :laugh:

Do NOT touch Gunny. He is MINE.
I really respect him AS a serviceman. I was taught to RESPECT enemies.
But... a strong MAN is NEVER is so noisy and clangorous.
This is one of tricks to hide or shelter own weakness.
A Strong person, feeling his Strength and seeing and feeling it as a part of OWN Nature will NEVER behave this way.
But Gunny served to YOUR country, and he is a person to be respected.
And I really RESPECT him.
Germans as Soldiers. They ARE fighters. Not you, Americans. THEY ARE (WERE).
I respect ALL those, who serve their OWN country, OWN Families and Folks.
Have objections to a "Commie", Americans?

[Balu]

I thought you might be on a trip of some kind!

What is a 'Beauty'? Rock-n-Roll music group?
Beauty is ALL around you and you are feeling yourself as a small but integrated particular of this NATURE.

[Balu]

Well, my 2 friends and the other neighbors. (a joke)
Thous of you, who are attentive and curious, must have noticed that there are NO morning flights from MOW to Irkutsk. But...
My Grandson flew with a crew of Military Aviation and enjoyed his being in a cock.
He spent 2 hours less to get to Irkutsk. (see the map)
He phoned me back and he is All Right in the warmest arms of MY relatives.
See, Americans, I am doing a start of MY Grandson life?
What should you say?
P.S.
The opinion of Gunny will be especially appreciated.
Hi, Americans!
Have anybody noticed what I've said?
My Grandson landed 2 hours earlier than being in REGULAR commercial flight?
What it means, Americans?

[aboutime]

Hi, Americans!
Have anybody noticed what I've said?
My Grandson landed 2 hours earlier than being in REGULAR commercial flight?
What it means, Americans?



He was pretending to be D.B. Cooper?????

[jimnyc]

He was pretending to be D.B. Cooper?????

That's rough, but I admit to laughing out loud, but still a little rough! :laugh:

[jimnyc]

Hi, Americans!
Have anybody noticed what I've said?
My Grandson landed 2 hours earlier than being in REGULAR commercial flight?
What it means, Americans?

He flew in fighter jet?

[Balu]

He flew in fighter jet?

You almost hitted the target, Jim! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good.gif
Do not forget, that my Grandson is not an orphan. Besides his Grandpa he also have his Father and an uncle, who both are in service.
And now a puzzle for you, Jim. Can you identify an aircraft, which delivered him to Irkutsk? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7498&stc=1

Here in Russia she has a Name - "White Swan".
Can you imaging the feelings of a teenager boy in a cockpit of this 'bird', surrounded by a friendly crew? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif
Do answer frankly, Jim! Personally YOU, would you like to be in his shoes in the same ages? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

[Jeff]

You almost hitted the target, Jim! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good.gif
Do not forget, that my Grandson is not an orphan. Besides his Grandpa he also have his Father and an uncle, who both are in service.
And now a puzzle for you, Jim. Can you identify an aircraft, which delivered him to Irkutsk? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7498&stc=1

Here in Russia she has a Name - "White Swan".
Can you imaging the feelings of a teenager boy in a cockpit of this 'bird', surrounded by a friendly crew? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif
Do answer frankly, Jim! Personally YOU, would you like to be in his shoes in the same ages? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

As a American I can identify it, it's target practice. :laugh::laugh::laugh:


Naa seriously, well more seriously :laugh: I bet your Grandson was thrilled.

[Voted4Reagan]

You almost hitted the target, Jim! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good.gif
Do not forget, that my Grandson is not an orphan. Besides his Grandpa he also have his Father and an uncle, who both are in service.
And now a puzzle for you, Jim. Can you identify an aircraft, which delivered him to Irkutsk? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7498&stc=1

Here in Russia she has a Name - "White Swan".
Can you imaging the feelings of a teenager boy in a cockpit of this 'bird', surrounded by a friendly crew? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif
Do answer frankly, Jim! Personally YOU, would you like to be in his shoes in the same ages? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

Balu...I call bullshit.

Thats a TU-160M Strategic Bomber.

There are only 13 of them in operational condition in the entire Russian Air Force.

there were ever only 30 of them ever made. It only seats 4 people. A Pilot, Co-pilot, Bombardier and Navigator.

I doubt that for security reasons they would allow a child in the cockpit of a top secret bomber for even the security reasons. Also, since it has a top speed of over Mach 2 the idea of a Child being able to bail out should a problem occur makes it even more unlikely.

Sorry.... but your story is a bold face pile of crap.

lets talk Military Hardware Balu..... come on....

[Gunny]

Balu...I call bullshit.

Thats a TU-160M Strategic Bomber.

There are only 13 of them in operational condition in the entire Russian Air Force.

there were ever only 30 of them ever made. It only seats 4 people. A Pilot, Co-pilot, Bombardier and Navigator.

I doubt that for security reasons they would allow a child in the cockpit of a top secret bomber for even the security reasons. Also, since it has a top speed of over Mach 2 the idea of a Child being able to bail out should a problem occur makes it even more unlikely.

Sorry.... but your story is a bold face pile of crap.

lets talk Military Hardware Balu..... come on....

Okee doke. Someone just dropped the hammer on the commie. :laugh:

[Jeff]

Do NOT touch Gunny. He is MINE.
I really respect him AS a serviceman. I was taught to RESPECT enemies.
But... a strong MAN is NEVER is so noisy and clangorous.
This is one of tricks to hide or shelter own weakness.
A Strong person, feeling his Strength and seeing and feeling it as a part of OWN Nature will NEVER behave this way.
But Gunny served to YOUR country, and he is a person to be respected.
And I really RESPECT him.
Germans as Soldiers. They ARE fighters. Not you, Americans. THEY ARE (WERE).
I respect ALL those, who serve their OWN country, OWN Families and Folks.
Have objections to a "Commie", Americans?


Okee doke. Someone just dropped the hammer on the commie. :laugh:

But , But the commie says he owns you. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::salute::laugh::laugh: :laugh::laugh:

[Gunny]

But , But the commie says he owns you. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::salute::laugh::laugh: :laugh::laugh:

In his dreams maybe. He don't own shit around here and will get hurt trying to take it, I guarantee you that.

I've figured out though why Jim gets mad at you. You just like to instigate shit, then sit back and laugh while everyone else gets in trouble. :laugh:

I guess that's better than he gets mad at me because I wake up in the morning, :laugh2:

[Jeff]

In his dreams maybe. He don't own shit around here and will get hurt trying to take it, I guarantee you that.

I've figured out though why Jim gets mad at you. You just like to instigate shit, then sit back and laugh while everyone else gets in trouble. :laugh:

I guess that's better than he gets mad at me because I wake up in the morning, :laugh2:

It is fun :laugh::laugh::laugh:


Seriously I think my little commie buddy likes you know Bro, hell maybe y'all can be comrades. :laugh::laugh:

[Gunny]

It is fun :laugh::laugh::laugh:


Seriously I think my little commie buddy likes you know Bro, hell maybe y'all can be comrades. :laugh::laugh:

Yeah. Me and a commie are going to be friends about like me and Obama are going to be friends.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Balu...I call bullshit.

Thats a TU-160M Strategic Bomber.

There are only 13 of them in operational condition in the entire Russian Air Force.

there were ever only 30 of them ever made. It only seats 4 people. A Pilot, Co-pilot, Bombardier and Navigator.

I doubt that for security reasons they would allow a child in the cockpit of a top secret bomber for even the security reasons. Also, since it has a top speed of over Mach 2 the idea of a Child being able to bail out should a problem occur makes it even more unlikely.

Sorry.... but your story is a bold face pile of crap.

lets talk Military Hardware Balu..... come on....

Do not be so sure my friend. It is Russia after all and high military connections have been known to get things like that done.
Civilians have been known to get flights on our jets, etc.
With the right connections(family/military) a lot of things get done that are not every day happenings. -Tyr

[Balu]

Do not be so sure my friend. It is Russia after all and high military connections have been known to get things like that done. Civilians have been known to get flights on our jets, etc. With the right connections (family/military) a lot of things get done that are not every day happenings. -Tyr True. Then, it was not a "duty flight" where for sure his presence aboard could be absolutely impossible. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

[tailfins]

True. Then, it was not a "duty flight" where for sure his presence aboard could be absolutely impossible. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

Now I understand why YOU'RE a Communist: You're one of the privileged few. I encourage you to travel without government supervision to Cuba, North Korea and Zimbabwe then talk to randomly selected people to see what poor quality of life Communism really produces.

[Balu]

...I bet your Grandson was thrilled.
Yes. He said that he'd got the most unbelievable impression in his life. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good.gif

[jimnyc]

Don't want to get involved in an argument, but it's a sweet looking jet!!!

[Balu]

Now I understand why YOU'RE a Communist: You're one of the privileged few. I encourage you to travel without government supervision to Cuba, North Korea and Zimbabwe then talk to randomly selected people to see what poor quality of life Communism really produces.

I would remind you, that there are 4 Parties in our Parliament and the Communist Party is not the ruling and leading one. :laugh:

http://i69.fastpic.ru/big/2015/0721/ec/58d16904e0d94b323692468083bad0ec.jpg

[Voted4Reagan]

True. Then, it was not a "duty flight" where for sure his presence aboard could be absolutely impossible. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

Bull... There is no place to put him. The internal configuration of the plane prohibits it. The plane requires 4 people to operate and monitor the controls. to take one out to transport a Child ...

Sorry, not gonna believe it.

Got a picture of the kid in the cockpit? If it is so Family friendly I am sure there are dozens of pictures that were taken .

Besides..... all operational TU-160's are based at Engels AFB attached to the 121st Guards Heavy Bomber Aviation Regiment. They dont fly out of MOW which is hundreds of Kilometers away. (850 KM to be precise).

Youre a liar and a Fraud. by your own words:

"must have noticed that there are NO morning flights from MOW to Irkutsk"

The TU-160M does not use MOW Runways...

You are a Liar Balu.

[Balu]

Bull... There is no place to put him.
1. First of all this is a long range aircraft and there is space for crew members to have a rest and heating their meals during long flights. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif
2. Have your ever heard about "Zhukovsky", The aviation research institute named after Gromov and MAKS air-salon, my ignorant American opponent?:laugh:
Have a look and, please, next time do never speak about the things which you knows from "Wikipedia" only.

http://www.aviasalon.com/en/static/page/maks_2015_en_general_info.htm

[aboutime]

Just thought I'd add my TWO RUPLES here, and admit. I was NEVER worried about you, or where you were.

So many are sounding like Obama here. Always trying to be nice..while hoping to be treated the same way, and not bring their hatred to light.

So. I am sticking to my REAGAN warning here: "Trust, but verify" (and never turn your back on those bearing gifts)

[NightTrain]

That particular plane was the rip-off of our B-1 Bomber - incidentally, the same plane in my avatar.

I remember Russia also copied the Concorde, and I don't think it was ever put into service... they were fast, but very expensive to operate.


Also, it is possible to hitch a ride on planes like that if you're well connected. Just like it is impossible for me to go for a ride in a F-15, but if you're a Senator's son it could easily be arranged with a phone call.

[aboutime]

Balu...I call bullshit.

Thats a TU-160M Strategic Bomber.

There are only 13 of them in operational condition in the entire Russian Air Force.

there were ever only 30 of them ever made. It only seats 4 people. A Pilot, Co-pilot, Bombardier and Navigator.

I doubt that for security reasons they would allow a child in the cockpit of a top secret bomber for even the security reasons. Also, since it has a top speed of over Mach 2 the idea of a Child being able to bail out should a problem occur makes it even more unlikely.

Sorry.... but your story is a bold face pile of crap.

lets talk Military Hardware Balu..... come on....



Balu. I call B.S. on you and your photo as well. You may think your propaganda is harmless to those who accept your every word. Much like you accept everything PUTIN and friends tell you to accept, and believe.
If you think you have fooled anyone. GOOD FOR YOU. They probably are convinced YOU are their new friend too!

[NightTrain]

Balu. I call B.S. on you and your photo as well. You may think your propaganda is harmless to those who accept your every word. Much like you accept everything PUTIN and friends tell you to accept, and believe.
If you think you have fooled anyone. GOOD FOR YOU. They probably are convinced YOU are their new friend too!

Jesus, AT, wtf are you trying to prove?

It's a cool plane and an interesting story.

Are you about to demand that he reports for a DNA sample and a polygraph, Detective?

[Voted4Reagan]

That particular plane was the rip-off of our B-1 Bomber - incidentally, the same plane in my avatar.

I remember Russia also copied the Concorde, and I don't think it was ever put into service... they were fast, but very expensive to operate.


Also, it is possible to hitch a ride on planes like that if you're well connected. Just like it is impossible for me to go for a ride in a F-15, but if you're a Senator's son it could easily be arranged with a phone call.

True.... well connected people can. But a single TU-160M represents almost 8% of Russia's supersonic long range bomber force. There are only 4 seats. All 4 crew are needed to operate the aircraft. There are no jump-seats for passengers.

I would have believed it more if he said it was a TU-95 Bear or a TU-22 Backfire..

But neither of those flies out of MOW airport either.... the closest TU-95 base is also at Engels and is the base of the 184th Guards Heavy Aviation unit.

[aboutime]

Jesus, AT, wtf are you trying to prove?

It's a cool plane and an interesting story.

Are you about to demand that he reports for a DNA sample and a polygraph, Detective?


Not trying to prove anything. Just feeling so grateful that I can't be fooled like so many have.

By the way. It was my opinion. Are we now forbidden from offering such things here?

[Balu]

That particular plane was the rip-off of our B-1 Bomber (1) - incidentally, the same plane in my avatar.

I remember Russia also copied the Concorde (2), and I don't think it was ever put into service... they were fast, but very expensive to operate.

Also, it is possible to hitch a ride on planes like that if you're well connected. Just like it is impossible for me to go for a ride in a F-15, but if you're a Senator's son it could easily be arranged with a phone call.

1. See the characteristics and enjoy a difference.

2. Try to compare two pictures. Pay attention to engines displacement.

http://sfw.so/uploads/posts/2013-03/1363934178_1583912.jpg

http://ru1.anyfad.com/items/t1@fe988366-3a19-469a-821d-125da6c0d7ec/sverhzvukovoy-konkord.jpg

[NightTrain]

True.... well connected people can. But a single TU-160M represents almost 8% of Russia's supersonic long range bomber force. There are only 4 seats. All 4 crew are needed to operate the aircraft. There are no jump-seats for passengers.

I would have believed it more if he said it was a TU-95 Bear or a TU-22 Backfire..

But neither of those flies out of MOW airport either.... the closest TU-95 base is also at Engels and is the base of the 184th Guards Heavy Aviation unit.


How do you know it wasn't reporting for overhaul or maintenance? Or an airshow? Or reporting to be fitted with upgraded systems / equipment? Or troubleshooting a particularly baffling non-essential bug? If it's not in the combat duty roster at the moment, it wouldn't have the full complement of crew on board, right?

Unless you have access to Russian Air Force systems, you're not going to know what it was doing flying to Moscow. There's literally dozens of reasons why that plane could have been flying to Moscow without the full crew on board while giving a lift to a civilian whose family is well-connected. A retired KGB / GRU Colonel is still going to have a lot of contacts in the active duty commanding officer population, would he not?

[aboutime]

How do you know it wasn't reporting for overhaul or maintenance? Or an airshow? Or reporting to be fitted with upgraded systems / equipment? Or troubleshooting a particularly baffling non-essential bug? If it's not in the combat duty roster at the moment, it wouldn't have the full complement of crew on board, right?

Unless you have access to Russian Air Force systems, you're not going to know what it was doing flying to Moscow. There's literally dozens of reasons why that plane could have been flying to Moscow without the full crew on board while giving a lift to a civilian whose family is well-connected. A retired KGB / GRU Colonel is still going to have a lot of contacts in the active duty commanding officer population, would he not?


NightTrain. All of BALU's information was found on YOUTUBE.
Here is the link, leading to all of them.
BALU is FULL OF IT.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russian+tu-160

[aboutime]

True.... well connected people can. But a single TU-160M represents almost 8% of Russia's supersonic long range bomber force. There are only 4 seats. All 4 crew are needed to operate the aircraft. There are no jump-seats for passengers.

I would have believed it more if he said it was a TU-95 Bear or a TU-22 Backfire..

But neither of those flies out of MOW airport either.... the closest TU-95 base is also at Engels and is the base of the 184th Guards Heavy Aviation unit.


V4R. To back your info up. I found this Online minutes ago.

Like many Soviet weapon systems, the Tu-160 has struggled to overcome unreliable components and a lack of maintenance during the 1990s. The original systems were faulty and required major rework using up-to-date computer chip and circuit boards. The modernised aircraft were then accepted into Russian service again after testing in late 2005.[3][4] The upgrade also integrated the ability to launch two new conventional versions of the long-range Kh-55 nuclear cruise missile - the Kh-101 and Kh-555.[5][6][7] Although Russia has overstated the progress of the modernisation project, it seems that the project has been restricted by the lack of up-to-date facilities to keep aircraft flying. This resulted in the delivery of a new-build aircraft but the "first modernised Tu-160" in July 2006 did not receive new avionics, although they were planned for the new airframe.[4][8][9]
The modernisation appears to be split into two phases, concentrating on life extension with some initial communication–navigation updates, followed by 10 aircraft receiving new engines and capability upgrades after 2016.[3] The first refitted aircraft was delivered to the VVS in May 2008; a follow-up contract to overhaul three aircraft in 2013 cost RUR3.4 billion (US$103m).[10] The first updated M-model Tu-160 was delivered in December 2014.[11][12][13] Although the phase I update was due to be completed by 2016, industrial limitations may delay it to 2019 or beyond.[14] Although Kuznetsov designed an NK-32M engine with improved reliability over the troublesome NK-32 engines, its successor company has struggled to deliver working units. Metallist-Samara JSC had not produced new engines for a decade when it was given a contract in 2011 to overhaul 26 of the existing engines, by two years later, only four were finished.[14] Ownership and financial issues hinder the prospects of a new production line; the firm insists it needs a minimum of 20 engines ordered per year but the government is only prepared to pay for 4-6 engines per year.[14][15] A further improved engine has been bench tested and may enter production in 2016 or later.[3]

[NightTrain]

Not trying to prove anything. Just feeling so grateful that I can't be fooled like so many have.

By the way. It was my opinion. Are we now forbidden from offering such things here?


Who is saying he's "fooling" anyone?

You keep saying the same thing over and over and over. "Trust but verify!" "I'm not fooled!" "I'm the smart one and he's a liar!" "Everyone here is totally gullible but I see through it!!" "Obama pissed in my cornflakes!" Not just in this thread, but in literally dozens of other threads directed at many different users, almost every one of them new to the board. I just don't get why you have this driving need to run around the board like a cartoon character screaming at the top of your lungs "Wolf!!!one1!!"

What is the absolute worst case scenario here, assuming that Balu made up the story that he arranged for his Grandson to fly in a cool plane?

Answer : Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I get it. Everyone gets it. You think he's lying. About everything. I think everyone on DP understood it from the get-go. Yes, we know it's your opinion. Yes, it's the same opinion from the start. Yes, you are free to voice your opinion. Yes, I'm being a dick. Yes, I am tired of you shouting the same tired nonsense in almost every thread you piss in. Yes, my not-so-subtle requests for you to stop acting like this have been blithely ignored.

What's wrong with talking with someone very different from us? Why do you have this bizarre need to try to shut him down?

[Balu]

Russia Already Working to Relaunch Tu-160 Supersonic Nuclear Bombers

The Moscow Times
Jul. 10 2015 19:39


http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-already-working-to-relaunch-tu-160-supersonic-nuclear-bombers/525434.html

[aboutime]

Who is saying he's "fooling" anyone?

You keep saying the same thing over and over and over. "Trust but verify!" "I'm not fooled!" "I'm the smart one and he's a liar!" "Everyone here is totally gullible but I see through it!!" "Obama pissed in my cornflakes!" Not just in this thread, but in literally dozens of other threads directed at many different users, almost every one of them new to the board. I just don't get why you have this driving need to run around the board like a cartoon character screaming at the top of your lungs "Wolf!!!one1!!"

What is the absolute worst case scenario here, assuming that Balu made up the story that he arranged for his Grandson to fly in a cool plane?

Answer : Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I get it. Everyone gets it. You think he's lying. About everything. I think everyone on DP understood it from the get-go. Yes, we know it's your opinion. Yes, it's the same opinion from the start. Yes, you are free to voice your opinion. Yes, I'm being a dick. Yes, I am tired of you shouting the same tired nonsense in almost every thread you piss in. Yes, my not-so-subtle requests for you to stop acting like this have been blithely ignored.

What's wrong with talking with someone very different from us? Why do you have this bizarre need to try to shut him down?


My apologies for daring to offer my opinion here. Yes. I believe he is lying. I believe lots of things about people. Does that make me any worse than say...YOU?

By the way. It's more bizarre that you would rather scold me for what I say, than challenge anyone in fear of hurting their feelings.
Never mind. It's useless to try anymore.
Take this as a subtle request from me. Do as others have done, and place me on IGNORE.

[NightTrain]

My apologies for daring to offer my opinion here. Yes. I believe he is lying. I believe lots of things about people. Does that make me any worse than say...YOU?

Have you forgotten that you've said the same thing dozens of times about Balu in particular? In damn near every thread he's engaged in on this board? Comedians like to use the same material over and over, because they have a new audience when they do. Your audience has seen the same act a hundred times, and it wasn't witty to begin with.


By the way. It's more bizarre that you would rather scold me for what I say, than challenge anyone in fear of hurting their feelings.

It's bizarre that I'm pointing out the obvious to you. I'm certain that I can get a 95% accuracy rating on your next activity outside of this particular conversation.

1) First, you'll pout and make vague passive-aggressive posts as to how you're censored and picked on for a few days.

2) Then you'll begin making more snide remarks confidently labeling people you've never met and know nothing about and accuse them of being either a liberal or a liar, or both.

3) Then you'll blame Obama for events that clearly have nothing to do with him - he's a useless POS, but he isn't responsible for every fucking problem we face.

4) Then when you see other members engaging in a civil conversation with a new member, you'll declare that they're lying, even though there is no way that you have any idea as to what you're talking about. You'll do this in your usual nasty manner designed to alienate the targeted person.

5) Then you'll get called on it, usually by me, and we proceed back to Step 1.


Never mind. It's useless to try anymore.
Take this as a subtle request from me. Do as others have done, and place me on IGNORE.

I don't ignore anyone, it's not my style. Besides that, I'm a mod, and that means I need to see what everyone is typing in the threads in case they go too far and I need to step in and try to correct things.

And it's not a subtle request if you come right out and say it, BTW. At that point, it's just a regular old request and a far cry from being subtle.

Do you remember Robert A. Whit? You display a lot of his qualities sometimes.

And please, spare me your usual Martyr Routine, AT. That's very worn out, too.

[Balu]

Who is saying he's "fooling" anyone?

You keep saying the same thing over and over and over. "Trust but verify!" "I'm not fooled!" "I'm the smart one and he's a liar!" "Everyone here is totally gullible but I see through it!!" "Obama pissed in my cornflakes!" Not just in this thread, but in literally dozens of other threads directed at many different users, almost every one of them new to the board. I just don't get why you have this driving need to run around the board like a cartoon character screaming at the top of your lungs "Wolf!!!one1!!"

What is the absolute worst case scenario here, assuming that Balu made up the story that he arranged for his Grandson to fly in a cool plane?

Answer : Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

I get it. Everyone gets it. You think he's lying. About everything. I think everyone on DP understood it from the get-go. Yes, we know it's your opinion. Yes, it's the same opinion from the start. Yes, you are free to voice your opinion. Yes, I'm being a dick. Yes, I am tired of you shouting the same tired nonsense in almost every thread you piss in. Yes, my not-so-subtle requests for you to stop acting like this have been blithely ignored.

What's wrong with talking with someone very different from us? Why do you have this bizarre need to try to shut him down?

It may be interesting for you. It is available in Nizhny Novgorod.

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reception at/leaving from Nizhny Novgorod International Airport, Russia;
transfers and transportation in a business class vehicle, and services of guide (English, German, Spanish, French or Italian) as per the program;
three nights B&B in a standard suite of Alexandrovsky Garden Hotel; meals in restaurants azs per the program;
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So, no need to be a son of Senator to enjoy such flights. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

[NightTrain]

It may be interesting for you. It is available in Nizhny Novgorod.

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Travel agency "Country of Tourism (http://www.bestrussiantour.com/about_us)" as the Tour operator of Aviation and Space tourism, offer you flights in MiG-29 Russian fighter jets. "Sokol" airbase authority gave us exclusive right to organize touristic flights in a modern MiG-29 jet fighter. This right is confirmed by the special Сertificate (http://www.bestrussiantour.com/files/usefull/fly_certificate.jpg).
The company has two sales offices: the main one is in Moscow and one more is in Nizhny Novgorod - the city, where all the flights in legendary Russian fighter jet MiG-29 are held at "Sokol" airbase.
We have been organized commercial flights in MiG-29jet fighters in Russia for more than 7 years.
Our multilingual Websites about Flights in MiG-29:
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2. www.flymigsokol.com (http://www.flymigsokol.com/) Website of the flights in MIG-29 for English-speaking customers!

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So, no need to be a son of Senator to enjoy such flights. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

I've heard about that, Balu. The MiG 29 is an impressive aircraft and I'd love to get a ride in one!

If the wife and I visit Russia on a vacation, I'll definitely look into getting a ride in one of those.

I have a friend who was a Major in the US Air Force here in Alaska, and I tried to see if he could pull some strings to arrange a quick ride in an F-15... and after he stopped laughing at my naivety, he told me how it works. Unless you're in the military or connected to a powerful politician, you don't get to ride in one of those.

They're very expensive to operate and of course there's a small chance that something bad could happen, and besides, they've got their own schedule and workload to perform without having hundreds of civilians going for joyrides, so I see the logic there.

[aboutime]

Have you forgotten that you've said the same thing dozens of times about Balu in particular? In damn near every thread he's engaged in on this board? Comedians like to use the same material over and over, because they have a new audience when they do. Your audience has seen the same act a hundred times, and it wasn't witty to begin with.



It's bizarre that I'm pointing out the obvious to you. I'm certain that I can get a 95% accuracy rating on your next activity outside of this particular conversation.

1) First, you'll pout and make vague passive-aggressive posts as to how you're censored and picked on for a few days.

2) Then you'll begin making more snide remarks confidently labeling people you've never met and know nothing about and accuse them of being either a liberal or a liar, or both.

3) Then you'll blame Obama for events that clearly have nothing to do with him - he's a useless POS, but he isn't responsible for every fucking problem we face.

4) Then when you see other members engaging in a civil conversation with a new member, you'll declare that they're lying, even though there is no way that you have any idea as to what you're talking about. You'll do this in your usual nasty manner designed to alienate the targeted person.

5) Then you'll get called on it, usually by me, and we proceed back to Step 1.



I don't ignore anyone, it's not my style. Besides that, I'm a mod, and that means I need to see what everyone is typing in the threads in case they go too far and I need to step in and try to correct things.

And it's not a subtle request if you come right out and say it, BTW. At that point, it's just a regular old request and a far cry from being subtle.

Do you remember Robert A. Whit? You display a lot of his qualities sometimes.

And please, spare me your usual Martyr Routine, AT. That's very worn out, too.


Talk about Snide? Now the censorship comes into play because I stated something you disagree with as a mod?
Throwing Whit's name out there tells me more about you than I could have guessed.
Thanks

[jimnyc]

Now the censorship comes into play because I stated something you disagree with as a mod?


I'm NOT getting involved, just pointing out MY opinion. I don't see where you were censored at all. And I can guarantee you that ANYONE, so long as they don't break rules, will not be censored. You are both free to discuss, as you currently are.

[Voted4Reagan]

Mig-29... nice plane.... but fairly obsolete now... even compared to the Mig-35.

Designed in the 1970's - There are no secrets there... it's a fighter similar to the F-15 and F-14.

But a TU-160 has only 4 ejection positions. a 5th person would be dead. There is no capability for Passenger rides. the only way out is in a K-36a Ejection Seat from one of the four positions reserved for the crew.

Balu is lying....

[NightTrain]

Talk about Snide? Now the censorship comes into play because I stated something you disagree with as a mod?
Throwing Whit's name out there tells me more about you than I could have guessed.
Thanks

That wasn't snide. It was the truth, and anyone who disagrees with my assessment can do a quick search of all your posts and arrive at the exact same 5 steps that I outlined.

There's no need to guess, AT. I will freely answer any questions you may have about me.

And I did ask you to spare me your Martyr Routine.


Your baseless allegations serve no purpose except to try and alienate new people and it has to stop. If Balu posted a chocolate chip cookie recipe he recently used, I would not be surprised in the slightest to see you announce that he's a liar and you're not fooled, because Commies HATE those chocolate chips. Because Obama. Or something. And anyone that agreed with the assessment that it's a good recipe, they're gullible and OMFG WAKE UP OR HE'LL STEAL YOUR CHILDREN!!!one1!!

Look, all I'm asking is that you back off the new members, like I've done quite a few times with you. I'm nothing if not consistent.

[Gunny]

I've heard about that, Balu. The MiG 29 is an impressive aircraft and I'd love to get a ride in one!

If the wife and I visit Russia on a vacation, I'll definitely look into getting a ride in one of those.

I have a friend who was a Major in the US Air Force here in Alaska, and I tried to see if he could pull some strings to arrange a quick ride in an F-15... and after he stopped laughing at my naivety, he told me how it works. Unless you're in the military or connected to a powerful politician, you don't get to ride in one of those.

They're very expensive to operate and of course there's a small chance that something bad could happen, and besides, they've got their own schedule and workload to perform without having hundreds of civilians going for joyrides, so I see the logic there.

I don't recall what you did in the military, but I can guarantee you that you'll only want to fly in a jet fighter ONE time. Especially with some whackadoodle jet jockey at the stick. Those dudes are insane. They call Marines crazy. Get in a plane with an Air Force or Naval aviator. For some reason, they think they can do ANYTHING in those planes. Screw physics.

Helicopter pilots are the worst, and the Vietnam vets were the psychos from Hell. "You think you can't do a loop in Huey, LCpl? Watch this ..." Fuck THAT. Although mathematically impossible, apparently if your whackjob Maj F-, you can do a loop in a Huey. Just leave my boots on the ground next time.

Oh ... and if you're in the military and those jet jockey's need their flight hours and are bored, you can get a ride if the don't need an EWO. Air Force jets are tough because they're one-seaters.

[NightTrain]

I don't recall what you did in the military, but I can guarantee you that you'll only want to fly in a jet fighter ONE time. Especially with some whackadoodle jet jockey at the stick. Those dudes are insane. They call Marines crazy. Get in a plane with an Air Force or Naval aviator. For some reason, they think they can do ANYTHING in those planes. Screw physics.

Helicopter pilots are the worst, and the Vietnam vets were the psychos from Hell. "You think you can't do a loop in Huey, LCpl? Watch this ..." Fuck THAT. Although mathematically impossible, apparently if your whackjob Maj F-, you can do a loop in a Huey. Just leave my boots on the ground next time.

Oh ... and if you're in the military and those jet jockey's need their flight hours and are bored, you can get a ride if the don't need an EWO. Air Force jets are tough because they're one-seaters.

I wasn't in the military, something I regret. I should have, but life got in the way of my plans.

The "best" pilot I ever flew with was in brand new Bell 407, he was an ex-USAF SAR pilot that flew in Vietnam. Only the Apache and Chinook were faster than the 407, according to him. Anyway, out in King Salmon, I got him drunk as a skunk at the bar on one of our bad weather days, so he was obliged to take us for a ride - a toe-curling ride.

He dumped the collective at 9,000 feet without giving me any warning, and I immediately thought that the rotors fell off - we plummeted like a stone to about 2,500 feet and he brought back the lift, much to my approval. Dirty bastard! He told me later that was for making him puke in the men's room the day before. I told him he was lucky I didn't puke all over the back seat of his new 407.

Then he zoomed 10' off the deck down the Valley of 10,000 Smokes at 180 MPH, buzzed a Grizzly and zoomed over a few ridges and down valleys at breakneck speed. It was truly awesome and I loved every minute of it!


I know what you're saying about a Fighter Jock giving you a ride... it's a badge of honor for them to make you puke, and I know they love pulling Gs until you go unconscious!

Well, the F-15 Eagle is a two-seater... that's why I was asking my buddy for a ride in those.

[jimnyc]

Part of me wanted to always go for a fly in a fighter jet. Then I saw a few of those movies where they train folks in them centrifuge like rooms, to kinda see if you can handle the g-force. Um, yeah, I don't think so. LOL

[Balu]

Part of me wanted to always go for a fly in a fighter jet. Then I saw a few of those movies where they train folks in them centrifuge like rooms, to kinda see if you can handle the g-force. Um, yeah, I don't think so. LOL


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icVhJ7opENE

The most impressing is at 0:42. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good.gif

[Gunny]

I wasn't in the military, something I regret. I should have, but life got in the way of my plans.

The "best" pilot I ever flew with was in brand new Bell 407, he was an ex-USAF SAR pilot that flew in Vietnam. Only the Apache and Chinook were faster than the 407, according to him. Anyway, out in King Salmon, I got him drunk as a skunk at the bar on one of our bad weather days, so he was obliged to take us for a ride - a toe-curling ride.

He dumped the collective at 9,000 feet without giving me any warning, and I immediately thought that the rotors fell off - we plummeted like a stone to about 2,500 feet and he brought back the lift, much to my approval. Dirty bastard! He told me later that was for making him puke in the men's room the day before. I told him he was lucky I didn't puke all over the back seat of his new 407.

Then he zoomed 10' off the deck down the Valley of 10,000 Smokes at 180 MPH, buzzed a Grizzly and zoomed over a few ridges and down valleys at breakneck speed. It was truly awesome and I loved every minute of it!


I know what you're saying about a Fighter Jock giving you a ride... it's a badge of honor for them to make you puke, and I know they love pulling Gs until you go unconscious!

Well, the F-15 Eagle is a two-seater... that's why I was asking my buddy for a ride in those.

You got in a helicopter with a drunk Vietnam vet frog pilot? Your brilliance level just went down on my scale. Ask Max ... he's a frog pilot. A frog is a CH-46 Sea Knight. A CH-47 Chinook is the Army equivalent. It's heavier and holds more stuff but doesn't float. As a jarhead, every time I got on a frog I was over water, I prefer ability to float over lifting ability.

And I damned sure wouldn't get in one with a stick jockey that's drunk. Those dudes are nuts enough left to their own devices. They think they can drop that bird on a dime without touching ground, drop the ramp and pick you up. While under fire. And they can. That's the sad part. You can't even argue with them about it. Their answer is "I just did" to whatever you have to say.

The Corps has this issue with calling airwingers pussies. I never did. They may live in the rear with gear, but they will do ANYTHING to get you out.

I'm not familiar with the F-15. The Navy and Marine Corps won't go with single engine jets. I grew up in the Air Force, but they were still flying F-4's when I decided I was going to be a jarhead instead of a pilot. I wasn't aware it was a two-seater. You can STILL have it. One ride with a jet jockey was enough for me. I didn't puke, but I was wondering where my brain was for awhile.:laugh:

[Gunny]

Part of me wanted to always go for a fly in a fighter jet. Then I saw a few of those movies where they train folks in them centrifuge like rooms, to kinda see if you can handle the g-force. Um, yeah, I don't think so. LOL

Dramamine. Works like a charm.

I take it HEEDS training is out? That's where they put you in a simulated helicopter and flip it up side down in the pool. Drowning is secondary to not getting your teeth kicked out by the panicking, disoriented jerkoffs. The window is STILL in the same place.

[Voted4Reagan]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7507&stc=1https://www.google.com/maps/place/ul.+Engels-1,+2,+Engels,+Saratovskaya+oblast',+Russia,+413101/@51.484257,46.2148525,1371m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4114b9e5e07d1c3f:0x544f1 f5d593e0ee9!6m1!1e1

look at all of them.... lined up in a neat row at Engels Air Base. all 13 of them

850 KM from Moscow

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7506&stc=1

[jimnyc]

Dramamine. Works like a charm.

I take it HEEDS training is out? That's where they put you in a simulated helicopter and flip it up side down in the pool. Drowning is secondary to not getting your teeth kicked out by the panicking, disoriented jerkoffs. The window is STILL in the same place.

Yeah, not a big fan of drowning or being spun around until I puke on myself a few times. But I will say, if I'm drowning, and some nitwit is blocking and kicking me, he's liable to get stuck by a blade in his kicking leg until he gets out of my way. :)

[Gunny]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7507&stc=1https://www.google.com/maps/place/ul.+Engels-1,+2,+Engels,+Saratovskaya+oblast',+Russia,+413101/@51.484257,46.2148525,1371m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4114b9e5e07d1c3f:0x544f1 f5d593e0ee9!6m1!1e1

look at all of them.... lined up in a neat row at Engels Air Base

850 KM from Moscow

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7506&stc=1

Let's see how good you are with history. We're going to use Pearl Harbor as an example.

General Short was told to protect against sabotage. Conventional thinking was/is consolidate. Whereas, if he'd been told to protect against a bombing attack, he had Wright and Wheeler field, and Kaneohe to disperse his assets. Only by luck were our carriers at sea on an exercise.

Famous Marine Corps saying: You identified a problem, bring a solution with it. So what's your solution? I can give you a bunch of answers, but I want to see what YOU think.

[NightTrain]

You got in a helicopter with a drunk Vietnam vet frog pilot? Your brilliance level just went down on my scale. Ask Max ... he's a frog pilot. A frog is a CH-46 Sea Knight. A CH-47 Chinook is the Army equivalent. It's heavier and holds more stuff but doesn't float. As a jarhead, every time I got on a frog I was over water, I prefer ability to float over lifting ability.

I never claimed to be brilliant! :laugh:

Actually, this guy was good. He long-lined fiberglass shelters 90 miles away to the mountaintop we were installing them on, fully loaded with all the electronics gear and set them down pretty as you please, exactly where we wanted them within inches on the first go.

He was sobered up by then (the drinking was the day before), or we wouldn't have flown. I love helicopter rides with a passion, but a drunk pilot would be a deal breaker immediately. We've never had a problem with telling the pilot to turn around if things look sketchy - we're all still getting paid, whether or not we complete the flight and there's no sense in risking things.

It's been a few years and my memory is hazy as to his details, but it seems to me that he was a Jolly Green pilot in Vietnam - a Sikorsky HH-53 or HH-3E maybe? Sound about right?


And I damned sure wouldn't get in one with a stick jockey that's drunk. Those dudes are nuts enough left to their own devices. They think they can drop that bird on a dime without touching ground, drop the ramp and pick you up. While under fire. And they can. That's the sad part. You can't even argue with them about it. Their answer is "I just did" to whatever you have to say.

The Corps has this issue with calling airwingers pussies. I never did. They may live in the rear with gear, but they will do ANYTHING to get you out.

Yeah, I've read a lot of books about those pilots and some of the things they pulled off... fascinating stuff. I expect they had an extra chair just for their stones.


I'm not familiar with the F-15. The Navy and Marine Corps won't go with single engine jets. I grew up in the Air Force, but they were still flying F-4's when I decided I was going to be a jarhead instead of a pilot. I wasn't aware it was a two-seater. You can STILL have it. One ride with a jet jockey was enough for me. I didn't puke, but I was wondering where my brain was for awhile.:laugh:

I'm not stupid enough to claim that I wouldn't puke, because everyone has a puke-point.... but I would jump at the chance. I love shit like that! I've never been motion sick or sea sick, even though I've been on some pretty violent rides - but then again, I haven't been in the back seat of a determined fighter jock's plane.

Yeah, the Phantom was an interesting beast. From all I've read, it handled like a pig but it's one saving grace were those massive engines... the Marines loved it for that, also because it was incredibly tough. It was the first jet we had that you could ram the throttles from idle to full afterburner without flame out.

[Voted4Reagan]

Let's see how good you are with history. We're going to use Pearl Harbor as an example.

General Short was told to protect against sabotage. Conventional thinking was/is consolidate. Whereas, if he'd been told to protect against a bombing attack, he had Wright and Wheeler field, and Kaneohe to disperse his assets. Only by luck were our carriers at sea on an exercise.

Famous Marine Corps saying: You identified a problem, bring a solution with it. So what's your solution? I can give you a bunch of answers, but I want to see what YOU think.

Disperse your aircraft over a wide area... Hardened shelters... open areas... that was the solution for Pearl Harbor.

Unfortunately smart weapons and precision guided munitions makes dispersal almost pointless. A b52 with a load of JDAMS on board can knock out 50 planes dispersed over a wide airbase...

[Gunny]

Yeah, not a big fan of drowning or being spun around until I puke on myself a few times. But I will say, if I'm drowning, and some nitwit is blocking and kicking me, he's liable to get stuck by a blade in his kicking leg until he gets out of my way. :)

Everyone knew I carried enough blades that I could start my own cutlery show on cable. :laugh:

What you do is learn to hold your breath. You sit there until the flailing stops and then calmly go out. I'm WSQ (water survival qualified). The biggest problem I've seen over the years is people panicking. The whack jobs are gone in 15 seconds. I could hold my breath for over 2 minutes. The exit hatch on your left didn't change its place just because your gravity did. It's STILL there. The light from the sky tells you which way to go and unless you fall into the Marianas Trench and sink all the way, you can see the light. If you sink 3 miles you're dead anyway.

It goes back to panic. You have to stay calm and think. The window's in the same place you just don't swim down. And damned sure don't swim into the rotors if they're still moving. THAT would be a bad day. You swim out and away, then up.

[Gunny]

Disperse your aircraft over a wide area... Hardened shelters... open areas... that was the solution for Pearl Harbor.

Unfortunately smart weapons and precision guided munitions makes dispersal almost pointless. A b52 with a load of JDAMS on board can knock out 50 planes dispersed over a wide airbase...

I don't disagree ... after the fact.

The answer to your pic/original post is American arrogance. We thought the same in 1941. We think no one can touch us. Until they do.

I just always wonder why we have to get to that point.

Oh, and I was born on Kelly AFB. I know what B-52s can do. :)

[Gunny]

I never claimed to be brilliant! :laugh:

Actually, this guy was good. He long-lined fiberglass shelters 90 miles away to the mountaintop we were installing them on, fully loaded with all the electronics gear and set them down pretty as you please, exactly where we wanted them within inches on the first go.

He was sobered up by then (the drinking was the day before), or we wouldn't have flown. I love helicopter rides with a passion, but a drunk pilot would be a deal breaker immediately. We've never had a problem with telling the pilot to turn around if things look sketchy - we're all still getting paid, whether or not we complete the flight and there's no sense in risking things.

It's been a few years and my memory is hazy as to his details, but it seems to me that he was a Jolly Green pilot in Vietnam - a Sikorsky HH-53 or HH-3E maybe? Sound about right?



Yeah, I've read a lot of books about those pilots and some of the things they pulled off... fascinating stuff. I expect they had an extra chair just for their stones.



I'm not stupid enough to claim that I wouldn't puke, because everyone has a puke-point.... but I would jump at the chance. I love shit like that! I've never been motion sick or sea sick, even though I've been on some pretty violent rides - but then again, I haven't been in the back seat of a determined fighter jock's plane.

Yeah, the Phantom was an interesting beast. From all I've read, it handled like a pig but it's one saving grace were those massive engines... the Marines loved it for that, also because it was incredibly tough. It was the first jet we had that you could ram the throttles from idle to full afterburner without flame out.

I've actually been seasick once. Might of had something to do with cracking those beers at 3:30 AM, but what the hell. That was a fishing boat. Got 3 1/2 years sea time and never got sick. Shit happens.

Naval aviators/Marine pilots are awesome. I just don't want to be on their birds. :laugh:

[NightTrain]

1. See the characteristics and enjoy a difference.

2. Try to compare two pictures. Pay attention to engines displacement.

http://sfw.so/uploads/posts/2013-03/1363934178_1583912.jpg

http://ru1.anyfad.com/items/t1@fe988366-3a19-469a-821d-125da6c0d7ec/sverhzvukovoy-konkord.jpg

Sure, the engines are moved slightly inboard on the Russian version. But look at the whole plane, you can't tell me that the Russian one is original - the fuselage design is almost perfectly matching, along with the tilt-down nose that the British & French incorporated on the Concorde so that the pilots could see the runway when landing.

Both of them have a few similarities to the B-70 Valkyrie project that the USAF ran in the 1960s :

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7508&stc=1

It was an impressive aircraft and a shame it didn't go to full production. A mach-3 bomber is pretty handy to have around when you absolutely, positively have to bomb someone in a couple of hours!

[Gunny]

Sure, the engines are moved slightly inboard on the Russian version. But look at the whole plane, you can't tell me that the Russian one is original - the fuselage design is almost perfectly matching, along with the tilt-down nose that the British & French incorporated on the Concorde so that the pilots could see the runway when landing.

Both of them have a few similarities to the B-70 Valkyrie project that the USAF ran in the 1960s :

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7508&stc=1

It was an impressive aircraft and a shame it didn't go to full production. A mach-3 bomber is pretty handy to have around when you absolutely, positively have to bomb someone in a couple of hours!

Those are definite "not me's".:laugh:

We have submarines that can do it less than half an hour. And those are another "not me" thing.

[NightTrain]

Those are definite "not me's".:laugh:

We have submarines that can do it less than half an hour. And those are another "not me" thing.

Yep, if I recall correctly it was cancelled in favor of ICBMs, which can get there a hell of a lot faster.

I never understood the appeal to submarine duty. At least on surface vessels you can look around and see things - being in a sub would drive me bonkers. My hat's off to those that do.

[Voted4Reagan]

The Russian SST had a major flaw...

I couldn't stay airborne....

http://gizmodo.com/5893817/the-concordes-soviet-older-sister-that-just-couldnt-stop-crashing

[Gunny]

Yep, if I recall correctly it was cancelled in favor of ICBMs, which can get there a hell of a lot faster.

I never understood the appeal to submarine duty. At least on surface vessels you can look around and see things - being in a sub would drive me bonkers. My hat's off to those that do.

The appeal to submarine duty for a Marie was a couple of things: $150 extra a month in 1981 dollars. When you figure I got 2 paychecks per month at $200 each, that was a LOT of money.

The other is a special duty assignment. That's a card in your promotion chances. And in the Marine Corps. because it's so small, you're competing for promotion. They pick a hundred or so names for about 70 slots. You get passed over, you go home.

But I did my crap on the ground. I was a drill instructor. They tried to send me through recruiter school and I was like "with MY personality?" My AA form for drill instructor school was on the CO's desk the next day. I can see ME as a recruiter: "Sign this shit or die, I need to make mission". :laugh:

Anyway, special duty assignments are feathers in your cap for promotion. I'd have rather been kicked out than be locked up for 6-12 months in a cigar underwater with a bunch of stinky, unshaven fuckers. Did I also mention I'm claustrophobic? Just being on surface vessels would give me panic attacks. I don't like being trapped.

[Abbey Marie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icVhJ7opENE

The most impressing is at 0:42. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good.gif

Holy Cannoli, that looks like some beast from Hell when it is doing those vertical maneuvers.

Why the red smoke?

[Balu]

Holy Cannoli, that looks like some beast from Hell when it is doing those vertical maneuvers.

Why the red smoke?
The colored smokes are for the spectators convenience to follow the maneuvering of a fighter.

[Max R.]

It may be interesting for you. It is available in Nizhny Novgorod.

Fly in MiG-29 for Tourists! MiG-29 flights. Edge of Space and Aerobatics! Top-Gun in MiG-29! Fighter Jet Rides in MiG-29! Sokol airbase. "Country of Tourism LTD"....
Russian tech has come a long way from the days of ripping off Western tech. I think that point was reached in the late 80s or 90s. The Mig-29 and several other modern Russian built aircraft are true Russian designs.

[Balu]

This august there will be MAKS-2015 air-show in Zhukovsky. The most interesting flight program is during 3 days for specialists, prior to opening it for visitors.
Another clip of piloting T-50 (the fifth generation it's techs appear on a screen), from the previous MAKS-2013:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_q1SRKwqPtY

[NightTrain]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icVhJ7opENE

The most impressing is at 0:42. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good.gif

Unfortunately, I didn't see the forward-swept Su-47 in the airshow clip.

Germany experimented with forward-swept wing aircraft back in WWII, but the metal wings couldn't stand up to the stresses. We experimented with forward-swept wing aircraft back in the 1980s with the X-29 and that particular aircraft fascinated me. Aeronautical engineers knew that the forward-swept wing is superior to conventional wing designs because the wingtips fly in undisturbed air giving greater control. I remember reading that it flew circles around the F-15 back then, which was our premier air superiority fighter and that was quite a feat.

The problem with it was that the wings suffered huge stresses in flight, so the materials had to be new composite materials that could withstand it - especially at supersonic speeds that would twist the wings. Still, there's even better materials available now, and I'm kind of disappointed that forward-swept aircraft haven't been revisited in the USA lately.

German version WWII :
http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7509&stc=1

American version late 1980s :
http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7510&stc=1

Russian version early 1990s :
http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7511&stc=1

These are very unstable in flight, but that's what you want in a Fighter to a certain degree - and that can be addressed with computer-aided flight control. The X-29 had to make 40 corrections per second from the onboard computers, but the F-22 also needs a computer to keep it under control.

It's interesting how the airflow changes between these and conventional aircraft :
http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7512&stc=1

[Balu]

Unfortunately, I didn't see the forward-swept Su-47 in the air-show clip.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE6nUdyafkc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVAJL1yTLW8

The comments are rather interesting.

[Balu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icVhJ7opENE

The most impressing is at 0:42. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good.gif

Pay also attention to 3:30. Aerodynamics is clearly not about this fighter. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

[Voted4Reagan]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--0306LfAp--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18ca57my4byucjpg.jpg

LOL... we built the forward swept wing here on Long Island back in the 1980's!!! The SU-47 is a copy of the Grumman xf-29

[Gunny]

Holy Cannoli, that looks like some beast from Hell when it is doing those vertical maneuvers.

Why the red smoke?

Smoke is what balu says for spectators. In combat, it's used when you got close air support coming in or an evac to let your own pilots know who you are. You pop smoke (it's a canister grenade), the birds come in and verify the color of your smoke (red, white, blue or yellow) and anything on the other side of you is going to miss lunch.

[Gunny]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--0306LfAp--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18ca57my4byucjpg.jpg

LOL... we built the forward swept wing here on Long Island back in the 1980's!!! The SU-47 is a copy of the Grumman xf-29

I'm not cool about those inverted wings (not getting into the Russians have ripped off our plane technology since the 40s). That engine goes and you're screwed. Ain't no gliding happening on that set of wings.

[Balu]

I'm not cool about those inverted wings (not getting into the Russians have ripped off our plane technology since the 40s). That engine goes and you're screwed. Ain't no gliding happening on that set of wings.
The point is that the wing is manufactured of composite material. There are different technologies, weight and balancing ... in other words, it's nothing but a replica for some forum experts. :laugh:

[Russ]

Holy Cannoli, that looks like some beast from Hell when it is doing those vertical maneuvers.


Wow, the vertical maneuvers look incredible, especially when the planes are virtually hovering in the air, not far from the ground. Do these planes even require much of a runway to take off and land? Could they potentially be used on aircraft carriers? Very impressive.

[Voted4Reagan]

[QUOTE=Abbey;750479]Holy Cannoli, that looks like some beast from Hell when it is doing those vertical maneuvers.


Wow, the vertical maneuvers look incredible, especially when the planes are virtually hovering in the air, not far from the ground. Do these planes even require much of a runway to take off and land? Could they potentially be used on aircraft carriers? Very impressive.

Thrust vectoring allows them to do those maneuvers. The exhaust nozzles pivot to allow the Cobra and other aerobatic stunts.. and the SU-47 is just a 2 engine version of a 35 year old Grumman design. and the XF-29 used Carbon Fiber Composites before Sukhoi stole the designs. Yes... The plane we built right here on Long Island was done 35 years before the Russian Ripoff version. The SU-47 is still in development with only 1 or 2 PLANES having been built. it has been in testing since 1997. Like the XF-29 of 35 years ago it is destined for experimental status,.

My friends sister worked on the XF-29 program.... Good plane. Based on the F-5 Freedom Fighter, F-16c Fly by wire controls and all the latest avionics. the twisting effect on the forward swept wing is still an issue in the SU-47.... just like the XF-29.

[Voted4Reagan]

1. First of all this is a long range aircraft and there is space for crew members to have a rest and heating their meals during long flights. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dirol.gif
2. Have your ever heard about "Zhukovsky", The aviation research institute named after Gromov and MAKS air-salon, my ignorant American opponent?:laugh:
Have a look and, please, next time do never speak about the things which you knows from "Wikipedia" only.

http://www.aviasalon.com/en/static/page/maks_2015_en_general_info.htm

There is one bunk for resting and a toilet. There is NO restraint system during take off and landing for a 5th person. There would be no way for the child to get out if he was in an auxiliary space should there be a need to eject. There would be no place to hook up his helmet and pressure suit.

There is no passenger transport capability on the TU-160M.

Dont make up lies and I wont call you on them

Your propaganda is indeed worthy of the glory days of Pravda..... Next you'll be telling me that the kid took the controls and landed the plane....

And Wikipedia???

no... more like GlobalSecurity and Janes all the worlds Aircraft.

[Balu]

There is one bunk for resting and a toilet...
I suspect that Jennifer Rene Psaki is your daughter. You even do not understand what your are speaking about.
And then, before you start reading Janes and other books DO try to count a number of fins and engines in XF-29 and Su-47.:laugh2: (the XF-29 used Carbon Fiber Composites before Sukhoi stole the designs.)

Then, some extract about TU-160.

"...In the technical compartment cab there is basic electronic equipment and facilities to provides special recreation for crew members during long flights, as well as cabinets for heating food and toilet blocks. .."

"...В технических отсеках кабины установлено основное радиоэлектронное оборудование и предусмотрены специальные места отдыха членов экипажа при выполнении длительных перелетов, а также шкафы для разогрева пищи и туалетные блоки. ..."

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bomber/tu160.html

[Voted4Reagan]

I suspect that Jennifer Rene Psaki is your daughter. You even do not understand what your are speaking about.
And then, before you start reading Janes and other books DO try to count a number of fins and engines in XF-29 and Su-47.:laugh2: (the XF-29 used Carbon Fiber Composites before Sukhoi stole the designs.)

Then, some extract about TU-160.

"...In the technical compartment cab there is basic electronic equipment and facilities to provides special recreation for crew members during long flights, as well as cabinets for heating food and toilet blocks. .."

"...В технических отсеках кабины установлено основное радиоэлектронное оборудование и предусмотрены специальные места отдыха членов экипажа при выполнении длительных перелетов, а также шкафы для разогрева пищи и туалетные блоки. ..."

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bomber/tu160.html

Liar

[Gunny]

[QUOTE=Russ;750623]

Thrust vectoring allows them to do those maneuvers. The exhaust nozzles pivot to allow the Cobra and other aerobatic stunts.. and the SU-47 is just a 2 engine version of a 35 year old Grumman design. and the XF-29 used Carbon Fiber Composites before Sukhoi stole the designs. Yes... The plane we built right here on Long Island was done 35 years before the Russian Ripoff version. The SU-47 is still in development with only 1 or 2 PLANES having been built. it has been in testing since 1997. Like the XF-29 of 35 years ago it is destined for experimental status,.

My friends sister worked on the XF-29 program.... Good plane. Based on the F-5 Freedom Fighter, F-16c Fly by wire controls and all the latest avionics. the twisting effect on the forward swept wing is still an issue in the SU-47.... just like the XF-29.


There is one bunk for resting and a toilet. There is NO restraint system during take off and landing for a 5th person. There would be no way for the child to get out if he was in an auxiliary space should there be a need to eject. There would be no place to hook up his helmet and pressure suit.

There is no passenger transport capability on the TU-160M.

Dont make up lies and I wont call you on them

Your propaganda is indeed worthy of the glory days of Pravda..... Next you'll be telling me that the kid took the controls and landed the plane....

And Wikipedia???

no... more like GlobalSecurity and Janes all the worlds Aircraft.


I suspect that Jennifer Rene Psaki is your daughter. You even do not understand what your are speaking about.
And then, before you start reading Janes and other books DO try to count a number of fins and engines in XF-29 and Su-47.:laugh2: (the XF-29 used Carbon Fiber Composites before Sukhoi stole the designs.)

Then, some extract about TU-160.

"...In the technical compartment cab there is basic electronic equipment and facilities to provides special recreation for crew members during long flights, as well as cabinets for heating food and toilet blocks. .."

"...В технических отсеках кабины установлено основное радиоэлектронное оборудование и предусмотрены специальные места отдыха членов экипажа при выполнении длительных перелетов, а также шкафы для разогрева пищи и туалетные блоки. ..."

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bomber/tu160.html

Dude, since I've decided to not make you disappear, a word of advice .. you just got schooled. I'm not easily impressed, but I think you just got hammered. :laugh:

Americans aren't as dumb as your propaganda thinks. Y'all built the Yak whatever from a ripoff of the Bell P-39 -- one of the worst fighters we ever had. Your biggest ripoff was a duplicate of the B-29. The AK-47 is a ripoff of the German MG-42.

Do y'all ever do any thinking on your own?

[Voted4Reagan]

[QUOTE=Voted4Reagan;750643]





Dude, since I've decided to not make you disappear, a word of advice .. you just got schooled. I'm not easily impressed, but I think you just got hammered. :laugh:

Americans aren't as dumb as your propaganda thinks. Y'all built the Yak whatever from a ripoff of the Bell P-39 -- one of the worst fighters we ever had. Your biggest ripoff was a duplicate of the B-29. The AK-47 is a ripoff of the German MG-42.

Do y'all ever do any thinking on your own?

Actually Gunny... the AK-47 is a rip off of the MP-44.


http://claus.espeholt.dk/billeder/slings/mp44b1.jpg

and we know the Germans make it better.... Kalashnikov ripped off the Nazi's....

How Capitalistic of the Commies... Selling hundreds of millions of cheap MP-44 knock offs for profit...

Kinda like China today.....

[Voted4Reagan]

Here is the flight suit for the crew of the TU-160M

http://www.airforceworld.com/bomber/gfx/tu160/tu160_pilot.jpg

I guess they now make child size suits .

Or did he wear this one?

http://www.kommersant.com/photo/512/News/2008/04/30//KMO_088197_09292_1m.jpg

see... FOUR CREW.... There is no fifth seat.
[/QUOTE]

[Balu]

Your biggest ripoff was a duplicate of the B-29. The AK-47 is a ripoff of the German MG-42.

Do y'all ever do any thinking on your own?

... and all the cars are the ripoff of this one. :laugh2:

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7515&stc=1

[Voted4Reagan]

There is a good reason I call Bullshit on this story Balu has woven.

I Live on Long Island.... for 60 years we produced more Military Aircraft here than anywhere else in the world. We had Grumman, Republic, Lockheed, North American and other makers here.

Some of the aircraft made right here :



The "Cats"

Grumman F4F Wildcat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F4F_Wildcat)
Grumman F6F Hellcat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F6F_Hellcat)
Grumman F7F Tigercat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F7F_Tigercat)
Grumman F8F Bearcat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F8F_Bearcat)
Grumman F9F Panther (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F9F_Panther)
Grumman F9F, F-9 Cougar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-9_Cougar)
Grumman XF10F Jaguar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_XF10F_Jaguar)
Grumman F-11 Tiger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-11_Tiger)
Grumman F11F-1F Super Tiger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F11F-1F_Super_Tiger)
Grumman F-14 Tomcat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat)




Other fighter aircraft

Grumman FF1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_FF)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman#cite_note-Jordan1-2)
Grumman F2F (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F2F)[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman#cite_note-Jordan2-8)
Grumman F3F (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F3F)[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman#cite_note-Jordan3-9)
Grumman XF5F Skyrocket (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_XF5F_Skyrocket)
Grumman XP-50 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_XP-50)
General Dynamics-Grumman F-111B (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics-Grumman_F-111B)
Grumman G-118 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_G-118)




Amphibious

Columbia XJL (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_XJL)
Grumman JF Duck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_JF_Duck)[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman#cite_note-Jordan2-8)
Grumman J2F Duck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_J2F_Duck)[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman#cite_note-Jordan2-8)
Grumman G-21 Goose (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_G-21_Goose) some modified as Super or Turbo Goose
Grumman G-44 Widgeon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_G-44_Widgeon)
Grumman G-73 Mallard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_Mallard)
Grumman HU-16 Albatross (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_HU-16_Albatross) (Coast Guard UF-1/UF-2, Navy U-16, Civilian G-111)




Attack

Grumman A-6 Intruder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_A-6_Intruder)




Bomber

Grumman XSBF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_XSBF)
Grumman TBF Avenger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_TBF_Avenger)
Grumman XTB2F (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_XTB2F)
Grumman XTSF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_XTSF)




Electronic warfare aircraft

Grumman EA-6B Prowler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_EA-6B_Prowler)
General Dynamics/Grumman EF-111A Raven (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics/Grumman_EF-111A_Raven)




Other aircraft

Grumman AF Guardian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_AF_Guardian)
Grumman C-1 Trader (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_C-1_Trader)
Grumman E-1 Tracer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_E-1_Tracer)
Grumman S-2 Tracker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_S-2_Tracker)
Grumman E-2 Hawkeye (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_E-2_Hawkeye)
Grumman C-2 Greyhound (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_C-2_Greyhound)
Grumman OV-1 Mohawk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_OV-1_Mohawk)
Grumman X-29 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_X-29)




Civilian

Grumman Gulfstream I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_Gulfstream_I)
Grumman Gulfstream II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_Gulfstream_II)
Grumman American AA-1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_American_AA-1) (1971–76)
Grumman American AA-1B Trainer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_American_AA-1) (1971–76)
Grumman American AA-5 Traveler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_American_AA-5) (1972–75)
Grumman American AA-5A Cheetah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_American_AA-5) (1976–79)
Grumman American AA-5B Tiger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_American_AA-5) (1975–79)
Grumman American Cougar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_American_Cougar)
Grumman Ag Cat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_Ag_Cat)
Grumman Kitten (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_Kitten)
Grumman G-65 Tadpole (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_G-65_Tadpole)



We also made at Fairchild-Republic:

The P-47 Thunderbolt
F-105 Thunderchief

And... The Greatest Tank Killer of all time

The A-10 Thunderbolt II

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We know so much because Long Island is the home of the greatest aviation companies of all times. We landed men on the Moon. Grumman built the LEM for the Apollo Missions. Our Fathers, Grandfathers, Aunts and Uncles all worked for these companies. We grew up seeing the skies filled with Military Jets. A-10's, F-14's, F-105's, ..... you name it..... Now we make the avionics for the B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber and we build the J-STARS AWAC planes.

We know Aviation on Long Island.... better than most.

We were the developers of it....

Oh... and Lindberghs first flight across the Atlantic?? Started right here... On Long Island.

Yeah... we know planes.... Better than a bunch of misinformed liars from the Soviet Era...

[Balu]

1934. Soviet glider ПБ-3

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lYHFjMRq_28/VaRYPGVHOoI/AAAAAAAAGKc/g0ZiMoUAwz0/s1600/pb2.jpg

1940. А long-range bomber ДБ-ЛК 2М-87Б

http://www.aviarmor.net/aww2/_photo_exp_a/_ussr/db-lk/db-lk_front.jpg

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7516&stc=1


1944. Ju-287

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VN34r1MQmGA/VaRYOJmT5yI/AAAAAAAAGLI/fpW0-53eCco/s1600/Ju278.jpg



1944. American glider Cornelius XFG-1

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nj_eofCeVGc/VaRYOATBZ7I/AAAAAAAAGKI/YdZitWbDGUs/s1600/Cornelius_XFG-1.jpg

You'd better go and enjoy a smoke, "funny-gunny". :laugh2:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Russian tech has come a long way from the days of ripping off Western tech. I think that point was reached in the late 80s or 90s. The Mig-29 and several other modern Russian built aircraft are true Russian designs.
True their tech has advanced rapidly...
Are we still hitching rides with the Russians to the Space Station?
Some here had best learn they have capabilities we no longer have thanks to the stupidity of our current dictator obama. Yet I believe that our military is still far ahead in weapons and abilities. However, with both our nations having so many nukes , how much would that matter if nukes got fired off?
Napoleon (great military genius) and Hitler both found out the hard way what the cost of underestimating Russia was!
We should learn from history and not make that same foolish mistake.
Also comparing obama to Putin is like comparing a sick mouse to a raging , hungry tiger.
Absolutely laughable, as obama is a certified coward, weakly and deceitful piece of shit.-Tyr

[Gunny]

1934. Soviet glider ПБ-3

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lYHFjMRq_28/VaRYPGVHOoI/AAAAAAAAGKc/g0ZiMoUAwz0/s1600/pb2.jpg

1940. А long-range bomber ДБ-ЛК 2М-87Б

http://www.aviarmor.net/aww2/_photo_exp_a/_ussr/db-lk/db-lk_front.jpg

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7516&stc=1


1944. Ju-287

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VN34r1MQmGA/VaRYOJmT5yI/AAAAAAAAGLI/fpW0-53eCco/s1600/Ju278.jpg



1944. American glider Cornelius XFG-1

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nj_eofCeVGc/VaRYOATBZ7I/AAAAAAAAGKI/YdZitWbDGUs/s1600/Cornelius_XFG-1.jpg

You'd better go and enjoy a smoke, "funny-gunny". :laugh2:

Why's that? I'm not the one claiming to be some kind of expert here. I know about planes because I grew up in the Air Force, but I'm not the one handing you your ass. Might want to address voted4reagan because he's taking you to school.

You want to go infantry strategy and tactics with me, get a different thread. But I will say one of the first lessons they teach in strategy and tactics is know when you're over-matched and come up with a different plan. You've lost the game and haven't realized it, and not to ME. Another tip: Attacking sideways doesn't work either. Address the person whipping your ass.

[Voted4Reagan]

How do you know it wasn't reporting for overhaul or maintenance? Or an airshow? Or reporting to be fitted with upgraded systems / equipment? Or troubleshooting a particularly baffling non-essential bug? If it's not in the combat duty roster at the moment, it wouldn't have the full complement of crew on board, right?

Unless you have access to Russian Air Force systems, you're not going to know what it was doing flying to Moscow. There's literally dozens of reasons why that plane could have been flying to Moscow without the full crew on board while giving a lift to a civilian whose family is well-connected. A retired KGB / GRU Colonel is still going to have a lot of contacts in the active duty commanding officer population, would he not?

All 13 operational TU-160's are based at Engels with their support units. All work is done at Engels. Just like all work on the B-2 Spirit are done at Whiteman AFB.

You ignore the fact that there is NO accommodation in a TU-160 for a 5th person. There is no way to get a 5th person out of the plane. There is no place for pressure suit or Oxygen hook ups for a 5th person.

They wont just let a kid sit on a cot and take off and land at a couple hundred miles an hour while the kid is unrestrained.

you're asking us to reach too far my friend.... too many holes in Balu's story.

[Voted4Reagan]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8541542144/h7742E0A5/

https://www.google.com/maps/place/KSZL/@38.7261941,-93.5588911,1636m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!1m3!3m2!1s0x0:0xe0cdce67ccb0e0ab !2sKSZL!3m1!1s0x87c3f065fc5b0045:0xe0cdce67ccb0e0a b!6m1!1e1

You can see my plane on the Tarmac waiting to taxi in that pic!!!

[NightTrain]

All 13 operational TU-160's are based at Engels with their support units. All work is done at Engels. Just like all work on the B-2 Spirit are done at Whiteman AFB.

You ignore the fact that there is NO accommodation in a TU-160 for a 5th person. There is no way to get a 5th person out of the plane. There is no place for pressure suit or Oxygen hook ups for a 5th person.

They wont just let a kid sit on a cot and take off and land at a couple hundred miles an hour while the kid is unrestrained.

you're asking us to reach too far my friend.... too many holes in Balu's story.

I thought I already gave you a few possibilities that are quite reasonable.

If that aircraft is NOT in the combat duty roster and is flying to Moscow, say for an Airshow or something, then you're NOT going to need the Bombardier, right? Or the Nav officer.

Also, if it is NOT on the combat duty roster, you wouldn't need to gear up for a combat mission, such as the suits that would be required for combat that you posted earlier. I'm sure the plane is pressurized and those are for bailing out.

Keep in mind, too, that Russians have historically been much less afraid of a mishap involving a casualty in every one of their branches to the point of callousness from our point of view.

I like your tenacity, V4R, but you don't know what the Russkies were doing with having that particular aircraft flying to Moscow. Maybe Putin wanted it to report there so he could take a joyride. There's a million different possibilities and Jane's or Wiki aren't going to tell you why that aircraft flew to Moscow.

[Voted4Reagan]

I thought I already gave you a few possibilities that are quite reasonable.

If that aircraft is NOT in the combat duty roster and is flying to Moscow, say for an Airshow or something, then you're NOT going to need the Bombardier, right? Or the Nav officer.

Also, if it is NOT on the combat duty roster, you wouldn't need to gear up for a combat mission, such as the suits that would be required for combat that you posted earlier. I'm sure the plane is pressurized and those are for bailing out.

Keep in mind, too, that Russians have historically been much less afraid of a mishap involving a casualty in every one of their branches to the point of callousness from our point of view.

I like your tenacity, V4R, but you don't know what the Russkies were doing with having that particular aircraft flying to Moscow. Maybe Putin wanted it to report there so he could take a joyride. There's a million different possibilities and Jane's or Wiki aren't going to tell you why that aircraft flew to Moscow.

I guess it's just easier for you to ignore the reality of the scenario. I provide hard facts and you make up conjectured scenario's.

[Balu]

I thought I already gave you a few possibilities that are quite reasonable.


Besides,

Russian Air Force to start exercise in East Siberia on Friday. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?50768-Russian-Air-Force-to-start-exercise-in-East-Siberia-on-Friday&p=750804#post750804

[NightTrain]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8541542144/h7742E0A5/

https://www.google.com/maps/place/KSZL/@38.7261941,-93.5588911,1636m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!1m3!3m2!1s0x0:0xe0cdce67ccb0e0ab !2sKSZL!3m1!1s0x87c3f065fc5b0045:0xe0cdce67ccb0e0a b!6m1!1e1

You can see my plane on the Tarmac waiting to taxi in that pic!!!


http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7517&stc=1

[Balu]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7517&stc=1

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
He wants me to tell the details, but I won't. I am aware of such tricks. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif
P.S.
Am I right, than a teenager may be 12 y.o. as well as 18 y.o.?

[NightTrain]

I guess it's just easier for you to ignore the reality of the scenario. I provide hard facts and you make up conjectured scenario's.

Dude, your entire premise is that the bomber needs all 4 crew members to ferry it somewhere, and that's bullshit.

I'm pretty damned sure that a Pilot and Copilot would be capable of flying it to Moscow. Okay, so for the sake of your argument, let's throw in a Navigator (because we all know that pilots are incapable of following Nav equipment to the Capitol of their country), so that leaves exactly ONE seat, worst case scenario, that is free for a well-connected civilian to hitch a ride in it.

[NightTrain]

Am I right, than a teenager may be 12 y.o. as well as 18 y.o.?

No, a teenager would be 13 to 19 years of age. Thirteen, Fourteen, etc.

[Balu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA2TdQSA8F0

http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

[Voted4Reagan]

so answer this.... what is the force on a childs body when ejected from a plane moving at speeds over Mach one in an Ejector Seat? Was the child trained to use the ejection system before taking the place of a crewman? Can he survive being blasted into a 700 or 800+ MPH Slipstream?

You're reaching way too far on this one NightTrain....

I have shown dozens of facts that point to it not being plausible, you are relying on conjecture to try and prove a point.

a child is unable to operate those Military systems. nor in a time of crisis is he capable of running down an ejection checklist and getting out even in an ejector seat.

It takes months of practice to learn those drills.... belt on and secured. Oxygen hooked up and Radio linked. Locator beacon activated. and can a child reach up and pull the handles and avoid the canopy? Can he withstand the back breaking force of rocket motors blasting him into sub zero temperatures 6 miles above the Earth?

My god... the kid must be D B Fucking Cooper!!!

[Balu]

No, a teenager would be 13 to 19 years of age. Thirteen, Fourteen, etc.

At 17 our boys happen to enter flight schools and at age of 18-19 they start piloting YAK-130.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV2d5QKCtOM

P.S.
This is why I reduced the ages, as 19 y.o. boy, by our measures is not a child at all. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

[NightTrain]

so answer this.... what is the force on a childs body when ejected from a plane moving at speeds over Mach one in an Ejector Seat? Was the child trained to use the ejection system before taking the place of a crewman? Can he survive being blasted into a 700 or 800+ MPH Slipstream?

You're reaching way too far on this one NightTrain....

I have shown dozens of facts that point to it not being plausible, you are relying on conjecture to try and prove a point.

a child is unable to operate those Military systems. nor in a time of crisis is he capable of running down an ejection checklist and getting out even in an ejector seat.

It takes months of practice to learn those drills.... belt on and secured. Oxygen hooked up and Radio linked. Locator beacon activated. and can a child reach up and pull the handles and avoid the canopy? Can he withstand the back breaking force of rocket motors blasting him into sub zero temperatures 6 miles above the Earth?

My god... the kid must be D B Fucking Cooper!!!

Why on earth would they be burning all that fuel hauling ass and flying that high on a simple ferry assignment?

Where does it say that if your plane is capable of Mach 2 and 80,000 feet that you MUST do it at all times?

The F-15 is capable of Mach 2.5, but they DON'T fly it always in that state - they're burning a shitload of fuel when doing so. Ferry flights are a leisurely affair, especially if you have a damn civilian on board!


You need to understand that aircraft, yes even Russian aircraft, are completely capable of flying in a subsonic manner (in fact, it's much more fuel efficient because you're not utilizing afterburners) on a simple NON-COMBAT flight.

The F-22 is the first aircraft to be able to cruise supersonic without afterburners. Rest assured, this bomber is going to eat a LOT of fuel with supersonic flight which is only possible with afterburners.

Why are you stuck on this plane being ready to bomb Poland at any second? Do you not know that military aircraft are not always ready and configured for combat for whatever reason?

Do you think that the Thunderbirds or the Blue Angels are loaded down with Sidewinders at all times so that they can intercept a Russian Bear inbound while at an airshow?

[jimnyc]

Thundercity, apparently a place in South Africa, will let you hitch a ride for an awfully high cost. Granted, these aren't current military jets.


Thunder City is unique and well known for its pioneering work in the aviation industry. It is the largest civilian owned collection of ex-military jets in the world, with an impeccable safety record of the fleet of jets, which have flown more than 1,600 incident-free sorties. The base flies and maintains the world’s last four flying English Electric Lightnings and three BAE Buccaneers, as well as seven Hawker Hunters, a Strikemaster and a Puma (SA 330) helicopter with glass cockpit.

Choose from a variety of jet flight profiles; ultra high, supersonic, aerobatic, surface-hugging, formation or a combination of these. Whatever the nature of your fighter jet flight dream is, we will make it happen for you.

http://www.thundercity.com/

Here's another one that apparently let's you hope a ride in a MiG 29, over Russia. Maybe this is what he's talking about?


Your adventure begins and ends in Moscow, but the jet flying itself takes place several hours away in the historic Russian town of Nizhny, Russia's third largest city. It's also the only place in the world where you can arrange a flight in a MiG-29 or MiG-31.

http://www.incredible-adventures.com/migs/

[Abbey Marie]

Pardon my language, but,

Best e-Pecker contest ever!! 🙊

[Balu]

Pardon my language, but,

Best e-Pecker contest ever!! 

http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/he_and_she/give_rose.gif

It took me some time to understand what you meant. And I managed. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/grin.gif
You are 100% right. The thread transformed in measuring D-X. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

[NightTrain]

Pardon my language, but,

Best e-Pecker contest ever!! 

Funny!

I wasn't trying to engage in an Internet Dick Measuring Contest... I had fun with this debate with V4R and his smartass picture of the B2 made me chuckle.

I really enjoy aviation & especially military aircraft. No hard feelings on this end.