How did the Tennessee gunman KNOW he could blast away with impunity?

[Little-Acorn]

The gunman could have picked any office, anywhere.

But apparently he wanted one where, even though it was staffed by U.S. Marines, he could just sit there and fire away without worrying about being stopped before he could rack up a large body count.

And he knew this office would suit his purposes.

How did he know?

Look at the sign on the door (now peppered with bullet holes):

http://www.tpnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Screen-Shot-2015-07-16-at-12.58.34-PM.png

Yep... a sign saying "Guns are forbidden here", or its equivalent.

The gunmen knew all law-abiding people inside would be disarmed and unable to shoot back, even though they were Marines.

Good job, whoever put up the sign. Did it accomplish what you wanted?

[Rat]

No understand gun free zones. No one would put sign like that in front of house so why do it public places? It like telling criminals where they can shoot without fear getting shot back.

I do know no recruiting office allowed have weapons because DoD rules.

[Kathianne]

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/07/16/an-open-letter-from-a-military-wife-to-obama-about-military-property-security/


An Open Letter from a Military Wife to Obama About Military Property Security

Allow our military members to carry personal sidearms in or out of uniform.

Dear Mr. Obama,


I have little hope that you’ll ever read this, but I have to get this off my chest. Since 1993, our military personnel, many of whom have had extensive weapons training including sidearms, have not been allowed to carry weapons openly or concealed on military properties. Yet on your watch the following incidents have occurred:




2009 – Fort Hood (http://www.cbsnews.com/feature/tragedy-at-fort-hood/), 13 killed, 29 wounded–many permanently disabled
2009 – Arkansas recruiting station (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/us/02recruit.html?_r=0), one killed, a second wounded
2010 – Pentagon shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/05/pentagon.shooting/) by a 9/11 truther, two wounded
2013 – Washington Navy Yard shooting (http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/dc-navy-yard-gunshots/), 13 killed, three injured
2014 – Norfolk Naval Base (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/25/naval-station-norfolk-shooting/6858435/), one killed
2014 – Fort Hood AGAIN (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/us/fort-hood-shooting/)–three killed, 14 injured
2015 – Chattanooga (http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2015/jul/16/eyewitnesses-recount-todays-tragedy/315005/), 4 Marines at the Navy Operational Support Center and Marine Corps Reserve Center killed, two others wounded at a local recruiting station


These incidents, which resulted in the deaths of 35 innocent people and serious injuries to 51 others, might all have been minimized or even prevented by trained, armed military members.

Why is it that these men and women, who carry firearms on our behalf, whom we entrust with the security and well-being of our nation, aren’t allowed to bear arms on military bases in order to defend themselves and others?

And, of course, these are only the incidents that result in deaths or injuries and thus cannot be hidden from the public. As a military wife, I recall more than one incident in which miscreants on base were stopped by MPs or other law enforcement personnel. In one case at Fort Gordon, a person who was later captured blew through the checkpoint without stopping. Similarly unaware gate security allowed the 2014 shooter at Norfolk Naval Base to get through. Why? Anyone who has sat in line to get through a military base checkpoint can figure this one out easily.

I don’t blame gate security for these incidents. I do blame misguided leadership that seems to believe that this one layer of security is adequate.

When these bad guys are on base, there is little or nothing our disarmed military members–people like my husband–can do save hide, call 9-1-1, and hope like hell the MPs hurry up. Isolated recruiting stations are in a worse position, open to the public and completely vulnerable.

With the recent threats by ISIS to target military personnel and their families, why are we pretending our military bases and stations are not military targets, ripe for exploitation by hidden terrorist assets or lone-wolf nut cases? For the love of God and country, allow our military members who pass standard background checks and have weapons training to carry personal sidearms in or out of uniform. The lives of military members and families alike–families just like mine–could depend on the courage of these armed and honorable individuals.

The lives of four military members could have been saved today in Chattanooga by such a change in policy. May God comfort their families. I doubt, Mr. Obama, that you will.

Sincerely,

A Military Wife

[Perianne]

Aren't gun-free zones supposed to be the safest places?

[Gunny]

Aren't gun-free zones supposed to be the safest places?

Nope. That just telegraphs the fact that law-abiding citizens don't have guns to criminals. They don't care what the sign says, if they can even read it. They're criminals.

[jimnyc]

Thursday’s shooting attacks in Chattanooga have once again stoked the debate over gun-free zones. Some of the most devastating mass shootings have taken place in gun free zones including the Sandy Hook and Aurora movie theater shootings in 2012.

A image on twitter (see above) showing that the military recruiting center in Chattanooga was also a gun-free zone has sparked controversy.

The attack carried out allegedly by Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez, 24, is currently being treated as an “act of domestic terrorism.” The shooter killed four Marines and wounded a police officer before he was shot and killed by the police.

Blaze TV, radio talk show host, and Second Amendment proponent Dana Loesch sent out this tweet:

http://i.imgur.com/6nJWvBl.jpg

Television personality Montel Williams, a Navy veteran and graduate of the Naval Academy, gave this response.

http://i.imgur.com/MvA1PU3.jpg

Townhall editor and Second Amendment advocate Katie Pavlich made multiple tweets about the disgrace of not allowing our troops to arm themselves.

http://i.imgur.com/bT1iY3c.jpg

According to a report released by the Crime Prevention Resource Center, 92 percent of mass public shootings between January 2009 and July 2014 took place in “gun free zones.”

Fox News commentator and radio personality Todd Starnes writes: “It’s time to arm the Armed Forces. Now, I’m sure the experts will say there’s some sort of logical reason why military personnel should not have access to firearms – but I’m not convinced. Brave Marines gunned down in a Southern city — and that is something we cannot abide. Our elected leaders must give them at least a fighting chance.

“It makes absolutely no sense that Marines and Airmen and Sailors and Soldiers who defend our nation are unable to defend themselves – on American soil.”

http://www.westernjournalism.com/one-small-sign-in-front-of-attacked-chattanooga-building-has-set-off-a-firestorm/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=WesternJournalism&utm_content=2015-07-17

[Gunny]

Thursday’s shooting attacks in Chattanooga have once again stoked the debate over gun-free zones. Some of the most devastating mass shootings have taken place in gun free zones including the Sandy Hook and Aurora movie theater shootings in 2012.

A image on twitter (see above) showing that the military recruiting center in Chattanooga was also a gun-free zone has sparked controversy.

The attack carried out allegedly by Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez, 24, is currently being treated as an “act of domestic terrorism.” The shooter killed four Marines and wounded a police officer before he was shot and killed by the police.

Blaze TV, radio talk show host, and Second Amendment proponent Dana Loesch sent out this tweet:

http://i.imgur.com/6nJWvBl.jpg

Television personality Montel Williams, a Navy veteran and graduate of the Naval Academy, gave this response.

http://i.imgur.com/MvA1PU3.jpg

Townhall editor and Second Amendment advocate Katie Pavlich made multiple tweets about the disgrace of not allowing our troops to arm themselves.

http://i.imgur.com/bT1iY3c.jpg

According to a report released by the Crime Prevention Resource Center, 92 percent of mass public shootings between January 2009 and July 2014 took place in “gun free zones.”

Fox News commentator and radio personality Todd Starnes writes: “It’s time to arm the Armed Forces. Now, I’m sure the experts will say there’s some sort of logical reason why military personnel should not have access to firearms – but I’m not convinced. Brave Marines gunned down in a Southern city — and that is something we cannot abide. Our elected leaders must give them at least a fighting chance.

“It makes absolutely no sense that Marines and Airmen and Sailors and Soldiers who defend our nation are unable to defend themselves – on American soil.”

http://www.westernjournalism.com/one-small-sign-in-front-of-attacked-chattanooga-building-has-set-off-a-firestorm/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=WesternJournalism&utm_content=2015-07-17

I'm not sure on this one. I've known some whack-a-doodle jarheads. Yeah I think it's piss-poor that combat decorated Marines were killed by a punk. Spend all that time surviving overseas and some jerkoff shoots up your recruiting station in a drive by. And then our illustrious CinC has less to say about it than he did Ferguson or Baltimore.

What we need is some leadership that's got a pair. You know, like not pretending scumbag towelheads aren't scumbag towelheads? I'm just waiting for the left and "Fearless Leader" to blame the gun and not the person.

[Little-Acorn]

A number of these militant Islamic jihadis have picked places where their victims were forbidden to carry guns.

Plainly the jihadis don't care about getting killed themselves, many of them ARE killed when police finally show up. This doesn't stop the next one, or the next.

But they DO care about racking up the biggest body count they can, before they are taken out. And for that reason, they pick places where no one can shoot back, so they can kill the most possible before anyone with a gun can show up.

Somebody courteously left a sign in the door here, shown in the OP, saying, "Dear Mr. Islamic Jihadi: We have made sure that the people in this office will not be able to stop you from murdering them, and it will probably take the cops a while to get here and do it. So if you want to kill a bunch of American servicemen without being disturbed until AFTER you have done your work, this is probably the best place. Have a nice day."

Do you suppose it might be a good idea for us to change our policies?

[Little-Acorn]

No understand gun free zones. No one would put sign like that in front of house so why do it public places?

http://www.thisistrue.com/images/neighbor-has-no-guns.jpg

[DLT]

The gunman could have picked any office, anywhere.

But apparently he wanted one where, even though it was staffed by U.S. Marines, he could just sit there and fire away without worrying about being stopped before he could rack up a large body count.
http://www.tpnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Screen-Shot-2015-07-16-at-12.58.34-PM.png

And he knew this office would suit his purposes.

How did he know?

Look at the sign on the door (now peppered with bullet holes):


Yep... a sign saying "Guns are forbidden here", or its equivalent.

The gunmen knew all law-abiding people inside would be disarmed and unable to shoot back, even though they were Marines.

Good job, whoever put up the sign. Did it accomplish what you wanted?

Problem with that theory (for idiot gunmen who count on people being unarmed in gun-free zones or areas)...is....

people like me pay no attention to those friggin signs...lol. Like they say....

better to be judged by 12 (or 1) than carried by 6. Words to live by in the Obamanation.


And I posit that you will see, more and more and as time goes on, more examples of folks ignoring those asinine signs.

[Gunny]

Problem with that theory (for idiot gunmen who count on people being unarmed in gun-free zones or areas)...is....

people like me pay no attention to those friggin signs...lol. Like they say....

better to be judged by 12 (or 1) than carried by 6. Words to live by in the Obamanation.

What sign? I'm a dumb redneck with a rebel battle standard. Shit, y'all think I can read?

[Little-Acorn]

And I posit that you will see, more and more and as time goes on, more examples of folks ignoring those asinine signs.

I hope so. But as always that will leave the law-abiding, defenseless.

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/fd/3a/fd3a934af1cf1cf1b0addeaf7c99b180.jpg?itok=QOhsMQwn

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

No understand gun free zones. No one would put sign like that in front of house so why do it public places? It like telling criminals where they can shoot without fear getting shot back.

I do know no recruiting office allowed have weapons because DoD rules.

How long has that gun free zone rule been in effect?
Does not matter if the obama started it or not. After the Fort Hood terrorism attack it should have been changed!
That the obama did not do so as CiC speaks volumes to me.
Quite obvious he wants the stinking muslim Jihadists to get higher body counts. Remember that maggot went to Islamic schools as a kid!!!!!! And is currently a "muslim in hiding' , to work his treason. --Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

How long has that gun free zone rule been in effect?
Does not matter if the obama started it or not. After the Fort Hood terrorism attack it should have been changed!
That the obama did not do so as CiC speaks volumes to me.
Quite obvious he wants the stinking muslim Jihadists to get higher body counts. Remember that maggot went to Islamic schools as a kid!!!!!! And is currently a "muslim in hiding' , to work his treason. --Tyr


​well said.....