Jimmy Carter Sounds Off on Americans' 'Racist Tendencies'

[red states rule]

Is it just me, or is it a constant them with liberals to continue tell us what a rotten and horrible place America is?

Has there been a liberal Democrat in the last 20 years that has given a speech celebrating what a great nation America is? P
Or pointed out that America has liberated billions of people from genocidal dictators? Or how generous the nation is when tragedy hits another country?

Now we have the peanut farmer sneering how America is racist. Seems to me Jimmy should sut the hell up since we elected a black guy twice. Plus thanks to Obama, Carter is no longer considered the worst President we ever had - that title goes to Obama





Jimmy Carter Sounds Off on Americans' 'Racist Tendencies'

AARP Bulletin and former President Jimmy Carter, 90, covered a variety of topics in their recent conversation (http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/history/info-2015/jimmy-carter-reflections-at-90.html). Among them were Carter's marriage, campaign finance, and race. The latter is what has produced some interesting headlines. When the publication asked the 39th president what he thought about race relations today, he was adamant in saying that they have not improved.

"The recent publicity about mistreatment of black people in the judicial and police realm has been a reminder that the dreams of the civil rights movement have not been realized. Many Americans still have racist tendencies or feelings of superiority to people of color."


Is it 1979 again? With these unfair remarks, Carter is once again striking a negative tone while reflecting on American culture. Nowhere did he provide context for his claim about the police's "mistreatment" of African-Americans.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2015/06/06/jimmy-carter-sounds-off-on-americans-racist-tendencies-n2008691

[Jeff]

Is it just me, or is it a constant them with liberals to continue tell us what a rotten and horrible place America is?

Has there been a liberal Democrat in the last 20 years that has given a speech celebrating what a great nation America is? P
Or pointed out that America has liberated billions of people from genocidal dictators? Or how generous the nation is when tragedy hits another country?

Now we have the peanut farmer sneering how America is racist. Seems to me Jimmy should sut the hell up since we elected a black guy twice. Plus thanks to Obama, Carter is no longer considered the worst President we ever had - that title goes to Obama

Jimmy ought to be kssing the butts of all the people that voted to get Obama in and make him the second worse president in history, OO wait he is, he is standing up for all of Obama's supporters.

[red states rule]

I was amazed how many people think Carter was a good or even great President

Then I learned why and then I understood why


http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/40/40dba89cf79c405b1976d3ae296aa04c83ce13ea1d382d7182 078d454d039190.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quickmeme.com%2FLiberal-Douche-Garofalo%2Fpage%2F52%2F&ei=iDx0Vcq9OLG1sQTwma_4DA&bvm=bv.95039771,d.cWc&psig=AFQjCNFE8S1dnjFP6DuIOm5WgfMtgXnwLw&ust=1433767382036631)

[Jeff]

I was amazed how many people think Carter was a good or even great President

Then I learned why and then I understood why


http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/40/40dba89cf79c405b1976d3ae296aa04c83ce13ea1d382d7182 078d454d039190.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quickmeme.com%2FLiberal-Douche-Garofalo%2Fpage%2F52%2F&ei=iDx0Vcq9OLG1sQTwma_4DA&bvm=bv.95039771,d.cWc&psig=AFQjCNFE8S1dnjFP6DuIOm5WgfMtgXnwLw&ust=1433767382036631)

The worst part is yes she wasn't alive or not old enough to know any better, but the schools have taught her, and that is so wrong. School ( or teachers acutally ) shouldn't have the right to push their beliefs on students, just teach the facts

[red states rule]

The worst part is yes she wasn't alive or not old enough to know any better, but the schools have taught her, and that is so wrong. School ( or teachers acutally ) shouldn't have the right to push their beliefs on students, just teach the facts

Not only her schools, but her parents and the liberal media

Hell I remember sitting in gas lines to get gas only to see the price DOUBLED

People had trouble getting heating oil, and Carter sits in the WH with a fire in the fire place and tells us to put on a sweater

How can anyone say he was anything but a LOSER as President

[Jeff]

Not only her schools, but her parents and the liberal media

Hell I remember sitting in gas lines to get gas only to see the price DOUBLED

People had trouble getting heating oil, and Carter sits in the WH with a fire in the fire place and tells us to put on a sweater

How can anyone say he was anything but a LOSER as President

I have no idea, when you ask folks what where his accomplishments all you hear is he got Bin Laden, which we all know he didn't do, but yet some brain dead folks still believe he is doing a good job. They listen to him patting himself on the back, such as " we are now respected in the world " nothing could be further from the truth, but Obama knows those that know this aren't on his side anyway, the brain dead folks that voted for color alone will eat that up hook line and sinker, hell they showed how smart they are when they voted.

[red states rule]

I have no idea, when you ask folks what where his accomplishments all you hear is he got Bin Laden, which we all know he didn't do, but yet some brain dead folks still believe he is doing a good job. They listen to him patting himself on the back, such as " we are now respected in the world " nothing could be further from the truth, but Obama knows those that know this aren't on his side anyway, the brain dead folks that voted for color alone will eat that up hook line and sinker, hell they showed how smart they are when they voted.

Well they could be folks who got their Obama phone, their Obamacare policy, do not have to work for their welfare handout, or overpaid Federal workers who have a job thanks to the expanding government or some pork project that was rammed through

Most of time Jeff, Obma supporters have been bought and paid for

[revelarts]

"Nowhere did he provide context for his claim about the police's "mistreatment" of African-Americans."


that's part of the problem many can't even imagine that's it's happening and can't SEE the context when it's been presented over and over again.
but here's some context for you RSR

--> brazen scheme to manipulate evidence, and prosecutors and police finally get caught.
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?49903-Wow-An-Argument-For-Rev

--> These type of stories circulated daily among the black community
#36 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?49764-Texas-biker-clash-leaves-9-dead-%91Police-shoot-at-white-thugs-and-no-one-gets-mad-se&p=736626#post736626)

--> Protect and Serve
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&highlight=protect+serve

--> NYPD Commissioner admitted that cops target minorites in stop & frisk
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?40452-NYPD-Commissioner-admitted-that-cops-target-minorites-in-stop-amp-frisk&highlight=stop+frisk

then there are the stats show that whites and blacks proportionally use drugs at the same rates but blacks are arrested and go to jail for it at FAR higher rates.

from former police
Book: Cop Culture: Why Good Cops Go Bad
Quote:

<tbody>
Sworn to protect and serve, police officers who stray into deviant behavior may become a citizen’s worst nightmare. A thoughtful examination of the formal and informal process of becoming blue, Cop Culture: Why Good Cops Go Bad is a unique combination of academic research based on Chief Scott Silverii’s doctoral dissertation and more than two decades in law enforcement. The book seeks to answer the ultimate question: why do good cops become bad cops?

Demonstrating the highly seductive and overwhelmingly influential culture of policing, the book presents interviews and observations by officers from across the country that explore how individuals may devolve into an aberrant subcultural fraternity. Chief Silverii explains the damaging effects upon the officers’ personal lives as they segregate from social and moral anchors and attach themselves to a lifestyle that may eventually bump up to criminality. Against the backdrop of the principles for organizational theory, acculturation, occupational socialization, and group culture, practical examples from real-life officers explain abstract ideals such as the "thin blue line" and the "code of silence."

This book is the first of its kind to combine an anthropological ethnography examining policing’s cultural expectancies with real-life experiences. By exploring the subculture of policing in vivid detail, it exposes the causes behind the separation from organizational ideals and a false status of detrimental hegemonic entitlement. Chief Silverii’s covert participant observations, semi-structured interviews, meta-analysis of relevant literature, and personal experiences provide readers with a scintillating panorama of this pervasive, destructive process. Chief Silverii also offers practical, proven solutions for creating a culture of change based on accountable, productive public service.

</tbody>



From the Prologue of Broken Badges (http://www.amazon.com/Broken-Badges-Police-Internal-Affairs/dp/1937565890/)
Former Det Police Chief LA PD ... decades of work with internal affairs.
Quote:

<tbody>
...And then there’s the Internal Affairs Unit that’s supposed to
“police the police.” In well-run police departments, this unit
recognizes complaints, even from known dirt bags and criminals
often offer and provide valuable information.

Bad cops usually abuse those who have little or no credibility
within the community and are on the marginal side of humanity;
they are usually not the town bank president or PTA leader. A
well-run IA Unit accepts their job as being impartial fact-finders.
They work as hard to protect the name of good cops as they do to
uncover misconduct or mistakes. They treat complainants and
cops equally and professionally. They are the guards who protect
the reputation of the chief, sheriff, and agency. The chief or
sheriff in a well-run police agency knows Internal Affairs will
protect his back, and their ranks aren’t filled with “yes men and
women” who simply pat backs.

In malignant police agencies, the Internal Affairs Unit is either
nonexistent, works only to clear officers, or is known to be
“badge/tin collectors” or “headhunters,” getting a thrill when a
cop making a mistake is uncovered or is caught engaging in
wrongdoing. In these agencies, IA often abuses citizen
complainants. They create hurdles and obstacles for anyone who
might be interested in filing a complaint.

In every law enforcement department, good cops know who
the bad cops are. They know the skirt chasers, the heavy-handed
brutal bullies, those who make “hummer” or bad arrests, those
on the take, those who sleep through shifts, and those officers
who are racist, homophobic, or sexist. Mingling with cops and
keeping your ears and eyes open will reveal much. Bad cops
often believe no one is looking and no one cares. When no one
looks or cares, bad cops can control the agency...

</tbody>

[red states rule]

that's part of the problem many can't even imagine that's it's happening and can't SEE the context when it's been presented over and over again.
but here's some context for you RSR

--> brazen scheme to manipulate evidence, and prosecutors and police finally get caught.
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?49903-Wow-An-Argument-For-Rev

--> These type of stories circulated daily among the black community
#36 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?49764-Texas-biker-clash-leaves-9-dead-%91Police-shoot-at-white-thugs-and-no-one-gets-mad-se&p=736626#post736626)

--> Protect and Serve
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&highlight=protect+serve

--> NYPD Commissioner admitted that cops target minorites in stop & frisk
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?40452-NYPD-Commissioner-admitted-that-cops-target-minorites-in-stop-amp-frisk&highlight=stop+frisk

then there are the stats show that whites and blacks proportionally use drugs at the same rates but blacks are arrested and go to jail for it at FAR higher rates.

from former police
Book: Cop Culture: Why Good Cops Go Bad
Quote:

<tbody>
Sworn to protect and serve, police officers who stray into deviant behavior may become a citizen’s worst nightmare. A thoughtful examination of the formal and informal process of becoming blue, Cop Culture: Why Good Cops Go Bad is a unique combination of academic research based on Chief Scott Silverii’s doctoral dissertation and more than two decades in law enforcement. The book seeks to answer the ultimate question: why do good cops become bad cops?

Demonstrating the highly seductive and overwhelmingly influential culture of policing, the book presents interviews and observations by officers from across the country that explore how individuals may devolve into an aberrant subcultural fraternity. Chief Silverii explains the damaging effects upon the officers’ personal lives as they segregate from social and moral anchors and attach themselves to a lifestyle that may eventually bump up to criminality. Against the backdrop of the principles for organizational theory, acculturation, occupational socialization, and group culture, practical examples from real-life officers explain abstract ideals such as the "thin blue line" and the "code of silence."

This book is the first of its kind to combine an anthropological ethnography examining policing’s cultural expectancies with real-life experiences. By exploring the subculture of policing in vivid detail, it exposes the causes behind the separation from organizational ideals and a false status of detrimental hegemonic entitlement. Chief Silverii’s covert participant observations, semi-structured interviews, meta-analysis of relevant literature, and personal experiences provide readers with a scintillating panorama of this pervasive, destructive process. Chief Silverii also offers practical, proven solutions for creating a culture of change based on accountable, productive public service.

</tbody>



From the Prologue of Broken Badges (http://www.amazon.com/Broken-Badges-Police-Internal-Affairs/dp/1937565890/)
Former Det Police Chief LA PD ... decades of work with internal affairs.
Quote:

<tbody>
...And then there’s the Internal Affairs Unit that’s supposed to
“police the police.” In well-run police departments, this unit
recognizes complaints, even from known dirt bags and criminals
often offer and provide valuable information.

Bad cops usually abuse those who have little or no credibility
within the community and are on the marginal side of humanity;
they are usually not the town bank president or PTA leader. A
well-run IA Unit accepts their job as being impartial fact-finders.
They work as hard to protect the name of good cops as they do to
uncover misconduct or mistakes. They treat complainants and
cops equally and professionally. They are the guards who protect
the reputation of the chief, sheriff, and agency. The chief or
sheriff in a well-run police agency knows Internal Affairs will
protect his back, and their ranks aren’t filled with “yes men and
women” who simply pat backs.

In malignant police agencies, the Internal Affairs Unit is either
nonexistent, works only to clear officers, or is known to be
“badge/tin collectors” or “headhunters,” getting a thrill when a
cop making a mistake is uncovered or is caught engaging in
wrongdoing. In these agencies, IA often abuses citizen
complainants. They create hurdles and obstacles for anyone who
might be interested in filing a complaint.

In every law enforcement department, good cops know who
the bad cops are. They know the skirt chasers, the heavy-handed
brutal bullies, those who make “hummer” or bad arrests, those
on the take, those who sleep through shifts, and those officers
who are racist, homophobic, or sexist. Mingling with cops and
keeping your ears and eyes open will reveal much. Bad cops
often believe no one is looking and no one cares. When no one
looks or cares, bad cops can control the agency...

</tbody>



OK Rev

So not only do we violate the rights of terrorists but we are still a racist nation

You know if the illegals would listen to people like you and Carter, nobody would ever want to come to America

[jimnyc]

Refreshing to see Carter condemn current race issues and condemn Obama for his massive connection to it. Not often you see another president point out that a current president is stoking the flames. Now if a 90 year old man can see that Obama is making racial tension worse, hopefully others will follow suit before long. Pointing out that the majority of the race issues in the past 5 years are by blacks rioting and criminal activities, I just didn't think Carter had it in him.

[revelarts]

OK Rev
So not only do we violate the rights of terrorists but we are still a racist nation
You know if the illegals would listen to people like you and Carter, nobody would ever want to come to America

are you denying what i posted is true? (did you even read it?)
Are you saying that minorities are treated EXACTLY the same as whites by police? and there's NO racism at all?

if you want to play games with what i said RSR i can do the same with you. If you want an honest discussion of what's reality is compared to what we all (i hope) wish for. the America where race is NOT an issues.

but to say that there's ZERO problem with polices and minorities, or POLICE IN GENERAL. is not honest.
we all want to IMAGINE the U.S as near perfect but fact is it's not. and it doesn't mean that the U.S. or Police are ALL bad All the time.

A family might have a Dad that is great in many areas except when he drinks.
When he drinks he beats the wife and kids. Does it mean that he's ALL bad. No. but should we DENY the drinking problem . EVEN IF he's improved quite a bit over the years?

does it help to PRETEND that there is no Problem?

[red states rule]

Rev I never said there was no racism. There was racism since the day men walked the Earth and there wil be racism until man no longer occupies the Earth

What I am sick of is constantly hearing it is getting worse

You are all over the Police yet I have yet to hear the race baiters offer up an apology to Officer Darrin Wilson. The many lies and BS that the liberal media, Dems, and the black "leaders" constantly repeated have yet to say they were wrong

The punk Michael Brown never had his hands up. he never tried to surrender. He committed a strongarm robbery, assaulted the store clerk, attached Officer Wilson, tried to take his weapon, and was charging him when he was shot dead

Yet the racebaiters lied, ruined Wilson's career tried and convicted him, glorified the punk Brown, and one of the witnesses who lied about Brown having his hands up is now employed by the city

This case is typical Rev. For some reason, people live top trash America and play the race card every chance they get

If fact most of those bellowing racism now have a 52 card deck of race cards

Sure there are bad cops just like tere are bad accountants, bad store clerks, bad stock brokers

That does not make the entire industry bad. However those trashing the Police are the ones who are responsible for the spike in crime. The Police are saying the hell with it - why bother. And I agree with them

[revelarts]

Rev I never said there was no racism. There was racism since the day men walked the Earth and there wil be racism until man no longer occupies the Earth
What I am sick of is constantly hearing it is getting worse

"The recent publicity about mistreatment of black people in the judicial and police realm has been a reminder that the dreams of the civil rights movement have not been realized. Many Americans still have racist tendencies or feelings of superiority to people of color."
Carter

so who said it's "getting worse" RSR?

"...Obama is making racial tension worse, ..."
JimNYC


OH.



You are all over the Police yet I have yet to hear the race baiters offer up an apology to Officer Darrin Wilson. The many lies and BS that the liberal media, Dems, and the black "leaders" constantly repeated have yet to say they were wrong
The punk Michael Brown never had his hands up. he never tried to surrender. He committed a strongarm robbery, assaulted the store clerk, attached Officer Wilson, tried to take his weapon, and was charging him when he was shot dead. Yet the racebaiters lied, ruined Wilson's career tried and convicted him, glorified the punk Brown, and one of the witnesses who lied about Brown having his hands up is now employed by the city
"an apology" so it's appropriate to give apologies to people when they are wronged.


Wilson is alive and "the law" has cleared him as it's done with many others police RSR.
he has nothing against his record. And if he wants an apology he can ask for one. I never accused him of JACK.

I've said ALL ALONG that the brown was NOT a good case to base protest on.

But RSR you haven't even acknowledged the long list of wrongs i posted earlier RSR.
can you at least ADDRESS what i posted rather than attack me for bringing it up.
Just saying that racism is here to stay and there are a few bad apples is not much of a response.

[DLT]

are you denying what i posted is true? (did you even read it?)
Are you saying that minorities are treated EXACTLY the same as whites by police? and there's NO racism at all?

if you want to play games with what i said RSR i can do the same with you. If you want an honest discussion of what's reality is compared to what we all (i hope) wish for. the America where race is NOT an issues.

but to say that there's ZERO problem with polices and minorities, or POLICE IN GENERAL. is not honest.
we all want to IMAGINE the U.S as near perfect but fact is it's not. and it doesn't mean that the U.S. or Police are ALL bad All the time.

A family might have a Dad that is great in many areas except when he drinks.
When he drinks he beats the wife and kids. Does it mean that he's ALL bad. No. but should we DENY the drinking problem . EVEN IF he's improved quite a bit over the years?

does it help to PRETEND that there is no Problem?

The way police look at and ergo deal with blacks is a result of their (blacks) own making. By percentage of population, blacks commit more crimes...especially violent crimes....than any other race. It's only logical that police would look at blacks as a major pain in the ass to the cops...cause they are. That's not racism. That's a fact.

If you were a janitor in a high school, for instance....and every day you witnessed black kids throwing their trash and food on the floor instead of putting their dirty trays in the proper places, you would soon grow to dislike and loathe them. They make more work for you so you develop a prejudice against them. With cops, that prejudice includes extreme danger to cops now, and equates to a matter of life or death now.

Couple that with the disinformation from Obama and his leftist minions in the media re: their distortion of incidents involving Martin, Brown, Gray, etc., and people like you are either too clueless to see it or too dishonest to admit to it. Blacks DO pose a problem to the police.

As for Obama's prejudice....

Obama sat and listened to an anti-whitey, anti-America, black liberation theology idiot that called himself a "reverend" for almost a quarter of a century (23 years).

If you were honest (vs. a leftie) you would ask yourself what kind of a person sits there every Sunday for that many years ...unless they are in complete agreement with those ""sermons"".

[aboutime]

Only someone who is deaf, blind, and without arms, legs, and a head doesn't know OBAMA has been race baiting since before he took office. And, those same people would also know...if they could read, hear, or see. How INTENTIONALLY ignorant members like rev really are to always find more excuses to be permanent Victims of those terrible WHITE people.

[stephanie]

why can't these old Democrats just go retire and LEAVE US alone.

the think we want to hear their nonsense on Everything for LIFE

MY gawd what a stupid thing to say. Like they can wave a magic wand and end Racism in the WORLD

[revelarts]

why can't these old Democrats just go retire and LEAVE US alone.
the think we want to hear their nonsense on Everything for LIFE
MY gawd what a stupid thing to say. Like they can wave a magic wand and end Racism in the WORLD

If Democrats and Republican would take the stinkin' in chips off their shoulders and talk about the issue rationally we might be able to move forward a bit on the issue. we have in the past. no telling how far things can go.

Be nice if it was pretty nearly a non-issue wouldn't it?
There's no perfection on earth but it doesn't mean we should live with open wounds when we can at least get a bandage.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

that's part of the problem many can't even imagine that's it's happening and can't SEE the context when it's been presented over and over again.
but here's some context for you RSR

--> brazen scheme to manipulate evidence, and prosecutors and police finally get caught.
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?49903-Wow-An-Argument-For-Rev

--> These type of stories circulated daily among the black community
#36 (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?49764-Texas-biker-clash-leaves-9-dead-%91Police-shoot-at-white-thugs-and-no-one-gets-mad-se&p=736626#post736626)

--> Protect and Serve
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&highlight=protect+serve

--> NYPD Commissioner admitted that cops target minorites in stop & frisk
http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?40452-NYPD-Commissioner-admitted-that-cops-target-minorites-in-stop-amp-frisk&highlight=stop+frisk

then there are the stats show that whites and blacks proportionally use drugs at the same rates but blacks are arrested and go to jail for it at FAR higher rates.

from former police
Book: Cop Culture: Why Good Cops Go Bad
Quote:

<tbody>
Sworn to protect and serve, police officers who stray into deviant behavior may become a citizen’s worst nightmare. A thoughtful examination of the formal and informal process of becoming blue, Cop Culture: Why Good Cops Go Bad is a unique combination of academic research based on Chief Scott Silverii’s doctoral dissertation and more than two decades in law enforcement. The book seeks to answer the ultimate question: why do good cops become bad cops?

Demonstrating the highly seductive and overwhelmingly influential culture of policing, the book presents interviews and observations by officers from across the country that explore how individuals may devolve into an aberrant subcultural fraternity. Chief Silverii explains the damaging effects upon the officers’ personal lives as they segregate from social and moral anchors and attach themselves to a lifestyle that may eventually bump up to criminality. Against the backdrop of the principles for organizational theory, acculturation, occupational socialization, and group culture, practical examples from real-life officers explain abstract ideals such as the "thin blue line" and the "code of silence."

This book is the first of its kind to combine an anthropological ethnography examining policing’s cultural expectancies with real-life experiences. By exploring the subculture of policing in vivid detail, it exposes the causes behind the separation from organizational ideals and a false status of detrimental hegemonic entitlement. Chief Silverii’s covert participant observations, semi-structured interviews, meta-analysis of relevant literature, and personal experiences provide readers with a scintillating panorama of this pervasive, destructive process. Chief Silverii also offers practical, proven solutions for creating a culture of change based on accountable, productive public service.

</tbody>



From the Prologue of Broken Badges (http://www.amazon.com/Broken-Badges-Police-Internal-Affairs/dp/1937565890/)
Former Det Police Chief LA PD ... decades of work with internal affairs.
Quote:

<tbody>
...And then there’s the Internal Affairs Unit that’s supposed to
“police the police.” In well-run police departments, this unit
recognizes complaints, even from known dirt bags and criminals
often offer and provide valuable information.

Bad cops usually abuse those who have little or no credibility
within the community and are on the marginal side of humanity;
they are usually not the town bank president or PTA leader. A
well-run IA Unit accepts their job as being impartial fact-finders.
They work as hard to protect the name of good cops as they do to
uncover misconduct or mistakes. They treat complainants and
cops equally and professionally. They are the guards who protect
the reputation of the chief, sheriff, and agency. The chief or
sheriff in a well-run police agency knows Internal Affairs will
protect his back, and their ranks aren’t filled with “yes men and
women” who simply pat backs.

In malignant police agencies, the Internal Affairs Unit is either
nonexistent, works only to clear officers, or is known to be
“badge/tin collectors” or “headhunters,” getting a thrill when a
cop making a mistake is uncovered or is caught engaging in
wrongdoing. In these agencies, IA often abuses citizen
complainants. They create hurdles and obstacles for anyone who
might be interested in filing a complaint.

In every law enforcement department, good cops know who
the bad cops are. They know the skirt chasers, the heavy-handed
brutal bullies, those who make “hummer” or bad arrests, those
on the take, those who sleep through shifts, and those officers
who are racist, homophobic, or sexist. Mingling with cops and
keeping your ears and eyes open will reveal much. Bad cops
often believe no one is looking and no one cares. When no one
looks or cares, bad cops can control the agency...

</tbody>


If you think blacks and whites are equal in their drug usage you are bonkers! No disrespect intended but I find that to be an insane proclamation.
Blacks smoke pot as if it was cigs. Tyr

[revelarts]

If you think blacks and whites are equal in their drug usage you are bonkers! No disrespect intended but I find that to be an insane proclamation.
Blacks smoke pot as if it was cigs. Tyr

Tyr, I didn't make it up.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/04/the-blackwhite-marijuana-arrest-gap-in-nine-charts/

https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/06/neverused_marijuana_by_race.png

https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2013/06/marijuana_arrest_rates_by_race_year.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok7rS3_DfEw

http://reason.com/blog/2013/06/04/the-war-on-pot-is-both-insanely-racist-a

When It Comes To Illegal Drug Use, White America Does The Crime, Black America Gets The Time
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/racial-disparity-drug-use_n_3941346.html
White Americans are more likely than black Americans to have used most kinds of illegal drugs, including cocaine, marijuana and LSD. Yet blacks are far more likely to go to prison for drug offenses.
This discrepancy forms the backdrop of a new legislative proposal in California (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/11/california-drug-treatment_n_3909240.html), which aims to reduce the disproportionate incarceration of black people in the state. Supporters of the bill, SB 649, point to some striking national data.
Nearly 20 percent of whites have used cocaine, compared with 10 percent of blacks and Latinos, according to a 2011 survey (http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/quicktables/quickconfig.do?34481-0001_all) from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration -- the most recent data available.

Higher percentages of whites have also tried hallucinogens, marijuana, pain relievers like OxyContin, and stimulants like methamphetamine, according to the survey. Crack is more popular (http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/quicktables/quickconfig.do?34481-0001_all) among blacks than whites, but not by much.
Still, blacks are arrested for drug possession more than three times as often as whites, according to a 2009 report (http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/related_material/8%20Fellner_FINAL.pdf) from the advocacy group Human Rights Watch.
Of the 225,242 people who were serving time in state prisons for drug offenses in 2011, blacks made up 45 percent and whites comprised just 30 percent, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p12ac.pdf).
Jamie Fellner, author of the Human Rights Watch report, offered an explanation for this discrepancy.
"The race issue isn't just that the judge is going, 'Oh, black man, I'm gonna sentence you higher,'" she said. "The police go into low-income minority neighborhoods and that's where they make most of their drug arrests. If they arrest you, now you have a 'prior,' so if you plead or get arrested again, you're gonna have a higher sentence. There's a kind of cumulative effect."....

[revelarts]

Time magazine 2011
http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/study-whites-more-likely-to-abuse-drugs-than-blacks/

Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks

Black youth are arrested for drug crimes at a rate ten times higher than that of whites. But new research shows that young African Americans are actually less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance use disorders, compared to whites, Native Americans, Hispanics and people of mixed race.“Our goal is to alert people to the burden of drug problems and also to how some of our concern about who has these problems may not be true,” says Dr. Dan Blazer, senior author of the study and a professor of psychiatry at Duke University. “There’s a perception among many individuals that African Americans as a group — regardless of socioeconomic status — tend to abuse or use drugs at higher rate and this [does not support] that.”
Using data from 72,561 youth interviewed for the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, researchers found that 37% of those aged between 12 and 17 had used alcohol or other drugs at least once in the past year. Nearly 8% met criteria for a substance use disorder — either the less severe “substance abuse” diagnosis or the more problematic “substance dependence,” which is more commonly known as addiction.
The study, which was published Monday in the Archives of General Psychiatry, controlled for variables like socioeconomic status because rates of severe drug problems tend to be greater amongst the poor. Despite this, Native American youth fared worst, with 15% having a substance use disorder, compared to 9.2% for people of mixed racial heritage, 9.0% for whites, 7.7% for Hispanics, 5% for African Americans and 3.5% for Asians and Pacific Islanders.
It is not known why rates for Native Americans were so elevated, but the category of substance use disorders does include alcoholism, a disorder for which this group is known to be at high risk. Marijuana and prescription opioid problems also occurred at higher rates in Native Americans.


The authors considered abuse and dependence together rather than separating them because the next edition of psychiatry’s diagnostic manual, the DSM-V, will combine them into one diagnosis, with different levels of severity....


National Institutes of Health
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374804/
There are discrepancies surrounding rates of drug use among the general public and the population serving prison time for nonviolent, drug-related offenses. In addition, social and health policy issues are created by these differences left undetected or unaddressed by those who have created them: the criminal justice system and the current political agenda. Public health as a discipline is now in a prime position to call attention to these discrepancies, design programs to assist both the incarcerated individuals and their families, and create the social environment necessary to change the political climate and social policy surrounding who’s using and who’s doing time.
Drug use in suburban areas goes unchecked and underreported, while people of color are profiled in urban areas as potential drug users and dealers. Although there is a serious drug problem in urban, minority communities, the problem also exists in every other community. Profiling is more difficult to conduct in suburban areas; therefore, cities are most often the locations in which minorities are arrested for nonviolent drug-related offenses.
Who’s Using

Although the current rates of illicit drug use are roughly the same between Blacks and Whites (7.4% and 7.2%, respectively) and lower for Lations (6.4%), the number of White drug users is vastly greater than that of drug users of color because White people are a larger share of the population.10 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374804/#r10) In 1998, Whites composed 72% of all illicit drug users compared with the 15% share contributed by Blacks. Whites were nearly 5 times more likely than are Blacks to use marijuana and were 3 times more likely than Blacks to have ever used crack.7 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374804/#r7)
The communities reporting drug use are not the only ones typically considered to be high drug traffic areas: drug use is prevalent in suburban, middle-class areas around the country as well as in rural settings and in cities. However, suburban police presence is largely concerned with the residents’ desire to keep the “bad element” out rather than turn attention to its own citizens. From a public health perspective, this is probably a good thing, because the middle class and affluent are more likely to use drug treatment, counseling, and simple maturation as solutions to problematic drug use.11 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374804/#r11),12 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374804/#r12)

Who’s Doing Time

Persons of color compose 60% of the incarcerated population.13 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374804/#r13) In 1996, Blacks constituted 62.6% of drug offenders in state prisons. Nationwide, the rate of persons admitted to prison on drug charges for Black men is 13 times that for White men, and in 10 states, the rates are 26 to 57 times those for White men.8 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374804/#r8) People of color are not more likely to do drugs; Black men do not have an abnormal predilection for intoxication. They are, however, more likely to be arrested and prosecuted for their use....



Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/06/28/the-war-on-drugs-is-a-war-on-minorities-and-the-poor/
The War on Drugs is a War on Minorities and the Poor

Brookings Institute
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/social-mobility-memos/posts/2014/09/30-war-on-drugs-black-social-mobility-rothwell
How the War on Drugs Damages Black Social Mobility

[Gunny]

Refreshing to see Carter condemn current race issues and condemn Obama for his massive connection to it. Not often you see another president point out that a current president is stoking the flames. Now if a 90 year old man can see that Obama is making racial tension worse, hopefully others will follow suit before long. Pointing out that the majority of the race issues in the past 5 years are by blacks rioting and criminal activities, I just didn't think Carter had it in him.

MORE not often is seeing Carter condemn a Democrat who was more lefty than he is. THAT is going the "mile".

[aboutime]

Finally. REV gets the long awaited opportunity to step forward, and admit how much of a bigot and racist he is. Anyone who still thinks rev is the Sincere, Nice Guy. Oh well.

[Gunny]

why can't these old Democrats just go retire and LEAVE US alone.

the think we want to hear their nonsense on Everything for LIFE

MY gawd what a stupid thing to say. Like they can wave a magic wand and end Racism in the WORLD

While Carter might be an "old Democrat", Obama's not. He's the cream of the crop for what the left now stands for. I think it is very telling for someone like Carter to Criticize Obama. If you're too left for Carter, you got some MAJOR issues.

[aboutime]

If Democrats and Republican would take the stinkin' in chips off their shoulders and talk about the issue rationally we might be able to move forward a bit on the issue. we have in the past. no telling how far things can go.

Be nice if it was pretty nearly a non-issue wouldn't it?
There's no perfection on earth but it doesn't mean we should live with open wounds when we can at least get a bandage.


rev. Everybody here totally would agree with you in saying HOW NICE it would be as a nearly non-issue.

Problem is. And I can speak from many years of actual, personal experience. Whenever someone tries to dare talk about the topic of race, racists, color, crime, murders, unwed mothers, and poor children living in ghetto surroundings...PEOPLE who look like me...PINK (not white), are instantly told to shut up, and reminded we are not qualified to speak, talk, discuss, or try to attempt clearing this up...because we haven't walked in the shoes of those who have been the PERMANENT victims of Slavery...which, by the way. Hasn't honestly existed since the EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION.
But the AL's, and JESSE's know...if we could all come together and HONESTLY stop all this VICTIMIZATION. The Jesse's, Al's, and REV's would have nothing to do, or talk about with us CRACKER folks.
AND YOU JUST PROVED IT rev.

[revelarts]

rev. Everybody here totally would agree with you in saying HOW NICE it would be as a nearly non-issue.

Problem is. And I can speak from many years of actual, personal experience. Whenever someone tries to dare talk about the topic of race, racists, color, crime, murders, unwed mothers, and poor children living in ghetto surroundings...PEOPLE who look like me...PINK (not white), are instantly told to shut up, and reminded we are not qualified to speak, talk, discuss, or try to attempt clearing this up...because we haven't walked in the shoes of those who have been the PERMANENT victims of Slavery...which, by the way. Hasn't honestly existed since the EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION.
But the AL's, and JESSE's know...if we could all come together and HONESTLY stop all this VICTIMIZATION. The Jesse's, Al's, and REV's would have nothing to do, or talk about with us CRACKER folks.
AND YOU JUST PROVED IT rev.

AT I said BOTH Ds and Rs take the chip off their shoulders.
did you get that?

But I have to say, if the 1st thing you do when talking to blacks about race is start rambling about crime, murder, unwed mother, poor children and the ghetto. Sorry AT you need to work on your social skills.
And If the only Blacks you ever listen to are Jesse Jackson and Al Sparpton then NO your not going to get the conversation I'm talking about.

But I'm not sure what post i've proved that you're not allowed to speak to the issues AT. Much less being called a name. can you point it out?

[Gunny]

AT I said BOTH Ds and Rs take the chip off their shoulders.
did you get that?

But I have to say, if the 1st thing you do when talking to blacks about race is start rambling about crime, murder, unwed mother, poor children and the ghetto. Sorry AT you need to work on your social skills.
And If the only Blacks you ever listen to are Jesse Jackson and Al Sparpton then NO your not going to get the conversation I'm talking about.

But I'm not sure what post i've proved that you can't speak to the issues AT. can you point it out?

Did you practice being this dumb? Facts and figures don't lie. If a predominant number of blacks are criminals, why let them off the hook for the color of their skin? The fact is, the Dems created this mess and it's coming home to roost. All those unfulfilled promises. Making them feel unwarrantly entitled.

And what's been delivered? Welfare and food stamps.

[aboutime]

AT I said BOTH Ds and Rs take the chip off their shoulders.
did you get that?

But I have to say, if the 1st thing you do when talking to blacks about race is start rambling about crime, murder, unwed mother, poor children and the ghetto. Sorry AT you need to work on your social skills.
If the Only Blacks you every listen to are Jesse Jackson and Al Sparpton then NO your not going to get the conversation I'm talking about.

I'm not sure what post i've proved that you can't speak to the issues AT. can you point it out?


I agree, and know...you are not sure. Just go back and read what you said above, then RE-READ what I said.
If you interpreted what I said in that way. Thank you. YOU PROVED EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
You instantly became Defensive, and tried to twist my word to suit your needs.
I didn't mention D's and R's. I was speaking about Black Americans WHOM...I have worked with, served with, and even called friends. A larger majority of them actually agree with what I was trying to say. But YOU, with your headstrong Jesse, or AL attitudes that are nearly programmed to REJECT what I..a PINKY said. Just took place. Only YOU ARE TOO BLINDED WITH YOUR HATRED TO SEE IT.

[Gunny]

I agree, and know...you are not sure. Just go back and read what you said above, then RE-READ what I said.
If you interpreted what I said in that way. Thank you. YOU PROVED EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
You instantly became Defensive, and tried to twist my word to suit your needs.
I didn't mention D's and R's. I was speaking about Black Americans WHOM...I have worked with, served with, and even called friends. A larger majority of them actually agree with what I was trying to say. But YOU, with your headstrong Jesse, or AL attitudes that are nearly programmed to REJECT what I..a PINKY said. Just took place. Only YOU ARE TOO BLINDED WITH YOUR HATRED TO SEE IT.

Your first sentence is trying (in vain) to tell him to think.:laugh:

[revelarts]

I agree, and know...you are not sure. Just go back and read what you said above, then RE-READ what I said.
If you interpreted what I said in that way. Thank you. YOU PROVED EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
You instantly became Defensive, and tried to twist my word to suit your needs.
I didn't mention D's and R's. I was speaking about Black Americans WHOM...I have worked with, served with, and even called friends. A larger majority of them actually agree with what I was trying to say. But YOU, with your headstrong Jesse, or AL attitudes that are nearly programmed to REJECT what I..a PINKY said. Just took place. Only YOU ARE TOO BLINDED WITH YOUR HATRED TO SEE IT.

well you and Gunny have me confused. so i'll try but you guys help me out here.




by revelarts

If Democrats and Republican would take the stinkin' in chips off their shoulders and talk about the issue rationally we might be able to move forward a bit on the issue. we have in the past. no telling how far things can go.

Be nice if it was pretty nearly a non-issue wouldn't it?
There's no perfection on earth but it doesn't mean we should live with open wounds when we can at least get a bandage.



rev. Everybody here totally would agree with you in saying HOW NICE it would be as a nearly non-issue.

Problem is. And I can speak from many years of actual, personal experience. Whenever someone tries to dare talk about the topic of race, racists, color, crime, murders, unwed mothers, and poor children living in ghetto surroundings...PEOPLE who look like me...PINK (not white), are instantly told to shut up, and reminded we are not qualified to speak, talk, discuss, or try to attempt clearing this up...because we haven't walked in the shoes of those who have been the PERMANENT victims of Slavery...which, by the way. Hasn't honestly existed since the EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION.
But the AL's, and JESSE's know...if we could all come together and HONESTLY stop all this VICTIMIZATION. The Jesse's, Al's, and REV's would have nothing to do, or talk about with us CRACKER folks.
AND YOU JUST PROVED IT rev.



so I said
if Ds and Rs take the chip off shoulders we'd get somewhere.

you said
"problem is...Whenever someone tries to dare talk about the topic of race, racists, color, crime, murders, unwed mothers, and poor children living in ghetto surroundings...PEOPLE who look like me PINK"
you're told to shut up by black people you've known and jesse jackson, because Slavery and victimization should stop.
But JJ And AS can't because there'd have nothing else to say.


Then you say i just somehow proved it.
by saying if "...Ds and Rs take the chips off our shoulders...speak rationally things could get better.. but not perfect"

OK AT,
so here's my problem with your comment.
I never mentioned Slavery.
i never told you to shut up
I never mentioned walking in shoes.
I never mentioned your race as a prerequisite to speak.
Or anything about vitimization
so I don't know how what i said fits.

But if you're saying that the facts of by the National Institutes of Health and Others I quoted BEFORE THAT post which point out the reality of far more blacks going to jail over drugs possession than whites even though possession rates are the same. OK. Well? Are saying that I shouldn't mention that? Because in your view that's "victimization" talk? And it's by default out of bounds in any discussion about race? Or do you just think it's irrelevant?

Are the only things legitimate to talk about concerning race, "...murders, unwed mothers, and poor children living in ghetto surroundings..."?

you also mentioned "crime". Shouldn't we have accurate info about crime if YOU want to bring it up? If we ALL want to talk about it? Seems to me if we're going to talk about it rationally we need all the facts. correct?

so look AT please clear up what you mean for me.
If you want to talk about it rationally that is.
But If you just want attack me again ok, fine.

[Jeff]

If Democrats and Republican would take the stinkin' in chips off their shoulders and talk about the issue rationally we might be able to move forward a bit on the issue. we have in the past. no telling how far things can go.

Be nice if it was pretty nearly a non-issue wouldn't it?
There's no perfection on earth but it doesn't mean we should live with open wounds when we can at least get a bandage.

Rev before Obama took office I would say race relations where pretty good, probably the best they have ever been, since he has been in office we have went backwards. We are now back almost to the point where blacks should sit in the back of the bus, but Obama and the other race baiters have now made it where as whites should be sitting in the back of the bus, see you come with a good argument, if it wasn't for the fact of what the rest of the country is doing. Obama and the race baiters don't want peace, they don't want folks to be equal, they want to be above whitey, hell after all whitey made them slaves. Which I have to say is the funniest sheot I have heard, not one black person on earth today was ever a slave, so let it go, and before you bring up the Jews, don't forget about history just stop trying to use it for a excuse for everything. No matter what some think because people where mistreated years ago, that doesn't give you a free pass in life now.

I agree with the second part of your post, it would be great if we all got along, but at this point it is the blacks that are steady stirring the pot.You have posted 100's of reasons for people to get together and protest, but not one is being protested, why because white and black a like would protest these issue's together, the race baiters as well as many blacks don't want folks to live together in harmony, they believe it is their turn now, yes whitey should now ride on the back of the bus to make amends for something that use to be, sorry Rev that won't happen and that kind of thinking is only going to bring back some horrible days. See the white folks haven't banded together yet, but as the blacks ( and not all blacks ) keep pushing it is going to happen, and when it does the blacks are going to be right back where they started, and that will be a sad day for sure.

[aboutime]

well you and Gunny have me confused. so i'll try but you guys help me out here.



so I said
if Ds and Rs take the chip off shoulders we'd get somewhere.

you said
"problem is...Whenever someone tries to dare talk about the topic of race, racists, color, crime, murders, unwed mothers, and poor children living in ghetto surroundings...PEOPLE who look like me PINK"
you're told to shut up by black people you've known and jesse jackson, because Slavery and victimization should stop.
But JJ And AS can't because there'd have nothing else to say.


Then you say i just somehow proved it.
by saying if "...Ds and Rs take the chips off our shoulders...speak rationally things could get better.. but not perfect"

OK AT,
so here's my problem with your comment.
I never mentioned Slavery.
i never told you to shut up
I never mentioned walking in shoes.
I never mentioned your race as a prerequisite to speak.
Or anything about vitimization
so I don't know how what i said fits.

But if you're saying that the facts of by the National Institutes of Health and Others I quoted BEFORE THAT post which point out the reality of far more blacks going to jail over drugs possession than whites even though possession rates are the same. OK. Well? Are saying that I shouldn't mention that? Because in your view that's "victimization" talk? And it's by default out of bounds in any discussion about race? Or do you just think it's irrelevant?

Are the only things legitimate to talk about concerning race, "...murders, unwed mothers, and poor children living in ghetto surroundings..."?

you also mentioned "crime". Shouldn't we have accurate info about crime if YOU want to bring it up? If we ALL want to talk about it? Seems to me if we're going to talk about it rationally we need all the facts. correct?

so look AT please clear up what you mean for me.
If you want to talk about it rationally that is.
But If you just want attack me again ok, fine.











rev. YOU are still having trouble comprehending what I said. I NEVER SAID YOU were who I was talking about. But, before you finished reading. YOU simply became defensive...as has been my experience over many years, when trying to discuss the topic...AS I SAID before. YOU are instantly saying I was talking about you. Which tells me..you just may be the very kind of person I was talking about...And Not by any Coincidence.
If you are reading that into what I have said.
You are proving my point, even better than I could have said it.

[revelarts]

rev. YOU are still having trouble comprehending what I said. I NEVER SAID YOU were who I was talking about. But, before you finished reading. YOU simply became defensive...as has been my experience over many years, when trying to discuss the topic...AS I SAID before. YOU are instantly saying I was talking about you. Which tells me..you just may be the very kind of person I was talking about...And Not by any Coincidence.
If you are reading that into what I have said.
You are proving my point, even better than I could have said it.no, sorry that doesn't work




If Democrats and Republican would take the stinkin' in chips off their shoulders and talk about the issue rationally we might be able to move forward a bit on the issue. we have in the past. no telling how far things can go.
Be nice if it was pretty nearly a non-issue wouldn't it?
There's no perfection on earth but it doesn't mean we should live with open wounds when we can at least get a bandage.

rev. Everybody here totally would agree with you in saying HOW NICE it would be as a nearly non-issue.

Problem is. And I can speak from many years of actual, personal experience. Whenever someone tries to dare talk about the topic of race, racists, color, crime, murders, unwed mothers, and poor children living in ghetto surroundings...PEOPLE who look like me...PINK (not white), are instantly told to shut up, and reminded we are not qualified to speak, talk, discuss, or try to attempt clearing this up...because we haven't walked in the shoes of those who have been the PERMANENT victims of Slavery...which, by the way. Hasn't honestly existed since the EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION.
But the AL's, and JESSE's know...if we could all come together and HONESTLY stop all this VICTIMIZATION. The Jesse's, Al's, and REV's would have nothing to do, or talk about with us CRACKER folks.
AND YOU JUST PROVED IT rev.


AT i wasn't even replying to you in that post at all.
what you replied to that you said "PROVED IT" was a reply to stephanie's post. So how could i be reacting personally to something you never said?
PLUS I wasn't even speaking personally there, i was speaking generally. notice the use of the word "we" and D's and Rs.

I started taking it personally when you said
"AND YOU JUST PROVED IT rev." and you and Gunny piled on from there. (before that really)
When someone uses my name i'm thinking it might be personal.

[aboutime]

no, sorry that doesn't work



AT i wasn't even replying to you in that post at all.
what you replied to that you said "PROVED IT" was a reply to stephanie's post. So how could i be reacting personally to something you never said?
PLUS I wasn't even speaking personally there, i was speaking generally. notice the use of the word "we" and D's and Rs.

I started taking it personally when you said
"AND YOU JUST PROVED IT rev." and you and Gunny piled on from there. (before that really)
When someone uses my name i'm thinking it might be personal.






rev. Never mind. As usual. The same results...NONE. Stick to making all kinds of excuses and NOTHING will ever change.

[revelarts]

Rev before Obama took office I would say race relations where pretty good, probably the best they have ever been, since he has been in office we have went backwards. We are now back almost to the point where blacks should sit in the back of the bus, but Obama and the other race baiters have now made it where as whites should be sitting in the back of the bus, see you come with a good argument, if it wasn't for the fact of what the rest of the country is doing. Obama and the race baiters don't want peace, they don't want folks to be equal, they want to be above whitey, hell after all whitey made them slaves. Which I have to say is the funniest sheot I have heard, not one black person on earth today was ever a slave, so let it go, and before you bring up the Jews, don't forget about history just stop trying to use it for a excuse for everything. No matter what some think because people where mistreated years ago, that doesn't give you a free pass in life now.

There's a lot to unpack there. I won't address it except for the 1st part.
IMO as far as most whites were concerned pre Obama things seemed pretty good race wise . But Black people haven't felt like things we're as good as they could be, and many felt it was hard to break through the wall of Assumptions many whites had that "everything is pretty good" "I don't see any racism. so there must not be much.". It seems now that many whites are shocked to see that there are many blacks that don't view it the same. Have "race baiters" taken a quiet brush fire and poured gasoline on it. Sure. Are they wrong for doing it? yes. Is it all "Obama's" fault? frankly no. He just poorly spoke to an issue that many folks have left UNSAID and it's shocked people who never considered it seriously. That's my general take.



I agree with the second part of your post, it would be great if we all got along, but at this point it is the blacks that are steady stirring the pot.You have posted 100's of reasons for people to get together and protest, but not one is being protested, why because white and black a like would protest these issue's together, ....

That's where the conversations like Ours need to go, rather than complaining about the race baiters IMO.
which are on BOTH sides. Fox news has commentators that would have feel at home bitterly complaining about blacks. Shep smith has quietly corrected some of them on air as well as Dr. Phil..

we need to bring the people who WANT unity and the best for all people FORWARD. it can happen it's the dream that MLK was looking for and Even Malcolm X came to embrace ..before they were killed.

are we going to let the extremes and the haters DEFINE OUR reactions? and seriously do u really think your going to be riding at the back of the bus at anytime? we have to be real and not let the gasoline fueled rhetoric make us reactionary.

If all sides only allow the extremes to mis-define the agendas then no one wins.

[fj1200]

Jimmy Carter Sounds Off on Americans' 'Racist Tendencies'

AARP Bulletin and former President Jimmy Carter, 90, covered a variety of topics in their recent conversation (http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/history/info-2015/jimmy-carter-reflections-at-90.html). Among them were Carter's marriage, campaign finance, and race. The latter is what has produced some interesting headlines. When the publication asked the 39th president what he thought about race relations today, he was adamant in saying that they have not improved.
"The recent publicity about mistreatment of black people in the judicial and police realm has been a reminder that the dreams of the civil rights movement have not been realized. Many Americans still have racist tendencies or feelings of superiority to people of color."

Is it 1979 again? With these unfair remarks, Carter is once again striking a negative tone while reflecting on American culture. Nowhere did he provide context for his claim about the police's "mistreatment" of African-Americans.

Did he make an untrue statement?

[Kathianne]

Did he make an untrue statement?

I don't think 'untrue,' I do think not helpful in the sense that it's an incomplete thought. Yes, there are people who are prejudiced and want to act superior. They are not on one side. Nor do they all want to act superior, some want 'their fair share, based upon historical prejudices.' They are not that 'into' caring for themselves, their progeny, nor their communities. They want others to provide for the things they want/need. They are angry.

[fj1200]

I don't think 'untrue,' I do think not helpful in the sense that it's an incomplete thought. Yes, there are people who are prejudiced and want to act superior. They are not on one side. Nor do they all want to act superior, some want 'their fair share, based upon historical prejudices.' They are not that 'into' caring for themselves, their progeny, nor their communities. They want others to provide for the things they want/need. They are angry.

I agree with that. But what should people expect from the AARP and the non-existent level of depth that the interview went into?

[Kathianne]

I agree with that. But what should people expect from the AARP and the non-existent level of depth that the interview went into?

Which is all the more reason to not defend the comment, nor to focus on it. I do think it's indicative of the national discourse at the moment.

[fj1200]

Which is all the more reason to not defend the comment, nor to focus on it. I do think it's indicative of the national discourse at the moment.

Which is why it should have languished in the realm of the retirees of the world.

[Kathianne]

Which is why it should have languished in the realm of the retirees of the world.I'm not going to disagree with the sentiment, though I think it was just a way to slam Carter. It would have died on its own.

[revelarts]

Which is all the more reason to not defend the comment, nor to focus on it. I do think it's indicative of the national discourse at the moment.

but the thing is, it was brought up here to be railed against. not defended. Even though it's not an inaccurate statement

from the article which was upset over the comment.
"...Carter is once again striking a negative tone while reflecting on American culture...."
from RSR
"....a constant theme with liberals to continue tell us what a rotten and horrible place America is?"

no acknowledgment of the any possibility of reality within the very brief comment pulled from the brief interview just mild outraged that the statement was even spoken.
follow by more mild outrage.

so yeah a think a defense of the comment was warranted. Since it seemed to generate more negative heat than the comment itself deserved.
So it was more the discourse HERE is that caught my attention. rather than the national, where no one seems very interested in much more than the worse of sound bites from the extreme quarters.

[Kathianne]

but the thing is, it was brought up here to be railed against. not defended. Even though it's not an inaccurate statement

from the article which was upset over the comment.
"...Carter is once again striking a negative tone while reflecting on American culture...."
from RSR
"....a constant theme with liberals to continue tell us what a rotten and horrible place America is?"

no acknowledgment of the any possibility of reality within the very brief comment pulled from the brief interview just mild outraged that the statement was even to spoken.
follow by more mild outrage.

so yeah a think a defense of the comment was warranted. Since it seemed to generate more negative heat than the comment itself deserved.
So it was more the discourse HERE is that caught my attention. rather than the national, where no one seems very interested in much more than the worse of sound bites from the extreme quarters.




If you wish to turn it around, expand on Carter's comment, pro and con.

[revelarts]

If you wish to turn it around, expand on Carter's comment, pro and con.

At this point, i think i've probably written as much as the folks here want to read.