School official presses charges for cheering at graduation

[Jeff]

This is so cool !!! Have ya ever been to a Graduation, the officials ask you to please hold your applause until all names have been called, but when one of the popular kids come up their family & friends scream like they are a bunch of mental patients, and it never fails the kid is popular because he/she is the class clown and they usually wind up in a dead end job ( flipping burgers ) or in jail, but heck they are one of the smart ones from the family, they actually got a HS diploma, yup the folks that usually do the screaming are Trash White or Trash Black. The same people that at a little league baseball game go to barking like dogs when the kid they came to watch gets up to bat, and I don't mean a teenagers game, I have watched this where the kids are 5 and 6 years old. I think it is great that this school system finally took one of these idiots and charged them, now how is she going to pay the fine, I guess she will have to wait for the graduate to get a job to pay the fine for her.



JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — Ursula Miller knew that when she shouted her niece's name after she received her diploma at a north Mississippi high school graduation, she would probably be asked to leave the arena.



But she never expected Senatobia school district Superintendent Jay Foster, who instructed spectators to hold their cheers until after all students graduated, would file criminal charges against her.
Miller, a resident of the 8,000-person town 30 miles south of Memphis, Tennessee, is one of three people facing misdemeanor charges of disturbing the peace following the May 21 Senatobia High School graduation.
"I understood as a consequence I was going to be escorted out of the graduation, but no one told me there were going to be criminal charges against me," Miller, 45, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Wednesday.


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[Kathianne]

I have to say that the high school my kids went to, this didn't happen. The screaming and bullhorns though did during university graduations and that was very rude. Each time, the administration would introduce the speakers, then ask for no disruptions until the last graduate's name was read-not respected.

I wish that the principals, chancellors, etc., would all take the stand this leader has taken. All the graduates' families deserve to hear their graduate's name called out by the speaker. Right now, fining seems the only way it will happen.

I also think that all balloons, bouquets of flowers should be banned. Leave them in the car!

[darin]

If this citation is not dismissed, I hope the family sues and gets MILLIONS. Crock of horse crap. There is no legal standing to 'please hold applause' that NOT a statute. Also - I doubt anyone can prove peace was measurably disrupted.

[tailfins]

From conversations at support groups, I learned that adverse action for no apparent reason is part of everyday life for people with Autism/Aspergers. Many of them would laugh at a story like this thinking it was good to see the other half experience what we experience. Thanks to listening to Rush Limbaugh, I learned to remember that seeing others worse off doesn't make you better off. I hope the system isn't too hard on them. However, deferred adjudication pending completion of social skills classes might be in order.

[Jeff]

If this citation is not dismissed, I hope the family sues and gets MILLIONS. Crock of horse crap. There is no legal standing to 'please hold applause' that NOT a statute. Also - I doubt anyone can prove peace was measurably disrupted.

dmp I am not sure of the legality of it, but when your kids go to graduate and all is quiet until one name is called and then a pack of folks go crazy you will realize how disgusting it is, let alone if your child may of been next in line and you missed his/her name called due to the screaming of the idiots.

[darin]

dmp I am not sure of the legality of it, but when your kids go to graduate and all is quiet until one name is called and then a pack of folks go crazy you will realize how disgusting it is, let alone if your child may of been next in line and you missed his/her name called due to the screaming of the idiots.

I'm the guy who 'woohoo!'s when my kids are called across stage. I don't care about things like that. :)

[Jeff]

I'm the guy who 'woohoo!'s when my kids are called across stage. I don't care about things like that. :)

I hear ya, so the hell with anyone else that might want to hear their kids called, yup all is good.

[darin]

I hear ya, so the hell with anyone else that might want to hear their kids called, yup all is good.

That doesn't make sense to me. When they call my kid's name I say "Woohoo!" that somehow prevents other parents from hearing the next name?

That's a HUGE jump, Jeff.

[Jeff]

That doesn't make sense to me. When they call my kid's name I say "Woohoo!" that somehow prevents other parents from hearing the next name?

That's a HUGE jump, Jeff.

Darin we are talking apples and oranges I believe, I am talking about the uproar that disrupts the entire graduation ( bull horns, Barking, just being obnoxious ) A family that yells a name well that still is breaking the rule or at least not doing as asked, but what pisses me off is the folks that go crazy.

Somehow I didn't figure you fit into that category. :laugh:

[darin]

Darin we are talking apples and oranges I believe, I am talking about the uproar that disrupts the entire graduation ( bull horns, Barking, just being obnoxious ) A family that yells a name well that still is breaking the rule or at least not doing as asked, but what pisses me off is the folks that go crazy.

Somehow I didn't figure you fit into that category. :laugh:

Thanks for clarifying because your first reply to my comment suggested I think 'to hell with other parents'

Did you see the 'offense'? The parents said something like "You did it, baby!!"

That's not a problem and nobody was hurt by it.

[jimnyc]

Here's what irks me about the story:

"I understood as a consequence I was going to be escorted out of the graduation, but no one told me there were going to be criminal charges against me," Miller, 45, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Wednesday.

So she knew already that she would be tossed from the graduation. Why push buttons? Why purposely get yourself escorted out of something that is for the KIDS, not for her to make a spectacle and fight against what she didn't like? I think it's a dumb rule too, but it's the schools right to do so, and they applied it to all attendees. I don't think I agree with criminal charges.... but obviously the threat of being tossed out wasn't enough of a deterrent.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

dmp I am not sure of the legality of it, but when your kids go to graduate and all is quiet until one name is called and then a pack of folks go crazy you will realize how disgusting it is, let alone if your child may of been next in line and you missed his/her name called due to the screaming of the idiots.

So true, Riza just graduated her college course a couple weeks ago, her name could not be heard because either the continued cheering the black girl preceding her and walking away or else the black girl walking behind her caused prolonged, and disruptive cheering for a couple minutes.
Myself when its that damn over the top those guilty should be dealt with in some way.
THAT GRADUATION THE RUDENESS CAME PRIMARILY FROM ONE SOURCE -ONE GROUP. ALL ATTENDING HAD BEEN ASKED TO WAIT UNTIL ALL NAMES WERE CALLED OUT... Call me racist but those that did the worse yelling and longest yelling out were black. Reality may bite but its reality.
And disrespect is still disrespect regardless of who is guilty of doing it.
Why my son never heard his mothers name called is because some people(individuals or group) thinks civility /respectful norms do not apply to them.
Our son missed out on that moment because of the extremely selfish and disruptive acts of those that think civility doesn't apply in their case and they are so ffing special that others should ignore their arrogant and/or stupid actions. . -Tyr

[Noir]

What law exactly was broken?

Also i would think that if someones name is called out, and there is a ruckus, it falls in part to the speaker to withhold from continuing with names until there is quiet.

[Kathianne]

What law exactly was broken?

Also i would think that if someones name is called out, and there is a ruckus, it falls in part to the speaker to withhold from continuing with names until there is quiet.

That might work at most HS graduations, but not universities-with several thousand graduates. As it is, the ceremony last hours. Once the rude people start, they continue to be noisy, they heard "Their kid's name" to hell with those that follow.

The graduation ceremony should be dignified, fine at the end that the graduates go a bit crazy and everyone applauds. The 'proud family' should have their raucous celebration at their own party, following the ceremony.

[Noir]

That might work at most HS graduations, but not universities-with several thousand graduates. As it is, the ceremony last hours. Once the rude people start, they continue to be noisy, they heard "Their kid's name" to hell with those that follow.

If someone is causing a continued disturbance then they should be asked to leave.


The graduation ceremony should be dignified, fine at the end that the graduates go a bit crazy and everyone applauds. The 'proud family' should have their raucous celebration at their own party, following the ceremony.

And the dignity of this ceremony should be informed by law?

[Kathianne]

If someone is causing a continued disturbance then they should be asked to leave.



And the dignity of this ceremony should be informed by law?
The 'keeping the peace' seems to fit. If one is disrupting a restaurant or other establishment, the police can arrest. They may choose to just escourt out, but if it's a continuing problem-fines and court time are likely outcomes.

[Noir]

The 'keeping the peace' seems to fit. If one is disrupting a restaurant or other establishment, the police can arrest. They may choose to just escourt out, but if it's a continuing problem-fines and court time are likely outcomes.

Seems like a good way to spend police time and resources.
Land of the free :salute:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What law exactly was broken?

Also i would think that if someones name is called out, and there is a ruckus, it falls in part to the speaker to withhold from continuing with names until there is quiet.
Sure and turn a three hour graduation ceremony into a 9 hour one . You are not thinking about how much time that would take, especially if it was a norm to be allowed.
A simply clap(or word) if very short is not the problem its the prolonged applause and loud yelling that is.
I and my son just went through this recently with my wife's college graduation. Nothing was said or done about it because of what race was the big offenders.
By your reasoning. I should be able to sand up in the movie theater to watch the rest of the movie when my back hurts--to hell with those not able to see because I block their view by my standing!-Tyr

[Noir]

Sure and turn a three hour graduation ceremony into a 9 hour one . You are not thinking about how much time that would take, especially if it was a norm to be allowed.
A simply clap(or word) if very short is not the problem its the prolonged applause and loud yelling that is.
I and my son just went through this recently with my wife's college graduation. Nothing was said or done about it because of what race was the big offenders.
By your reasoning. I should be able to sand up in the movie theater to watch the rest of the movie when my back hurts--to hell with those not able to see because I block their view by my standing!-Tyr

Nope, you should be asked to leave the theatre, but you should not be charged with a crime.

[jimnyc]

Seems like a good way to spend police time and resources.
Land of the free :salute:

Would you REALLY like to speak of differences in "freedom" between the USA and where you're at? Puh lee zzzz. We have more freedom here in one day than you've had there from the country's existence.

Just sayin!

[Noir]

Would you REALLY like to speak of differences in "freedom" between the USA and where you're at? Puh lee zzzz. We have more freedom here in one day than you've had there from the country's existence.

Just sayin!

I don't think there is (or ever has been) a citizen under threat of jail for cheering at a graduation ceremony, but you're welcome to prove otherwise.
The UK is no bastion of freedom, but that doesn't mean I should be unable to point out instances of madness in the american legal system, right?

[aboutime]

Logically speaking. When you consider the number of people graduating, and the size of the audience. Common sense, and being considerate of others at such events...would normally tell PEOPLE to PLEASE hold down all of the applause, High Fiving, and Chants until the END of the ceremony.

It proves how SOME PEOPLE must always demand that THEY are special, and rules, laws, and requests to be CIVIL....simply do not apply. All the result of a LOUSY, IF ANY, EDUCATION.

[Elessar]

I fully believe that people disrupting in this fashion as more into the
"Hey...Look at Me....See ME...I am Here", wanting to be the focus
of attention.

I saw it at my son's college graduation...and the next 'group' tries to
out-do the previous one...childish, selfish, and ignorant.

The focus should be on the Graduates - not the Gallery!

[Jeff]

Thanks for clarifying because your first reply to my comment suggested I think 'to hell with other parents'

Did you see the 'offense'? The parents said something like "You did it, baby!!"

That's not a problem and nobody was hurt by it.

Yes I heard it Darin, but with that said if you notice what she said was cut, all I heard was what I think was baby, she says all she yelled was you did it baby. Something tells me it was alot more than that, I believe this is one of the cases where someones video recorder was altered. I believe in the next couple of days we will hear more about this, either someone will come forward with a longer video oe someone will come forward saying all she said was you made it baby, but like I said I didn't hear anything other than what I thought baby.

See I have been to one to many of these graduations all ready, and it is very disturbing when the entire stadium is quiet as each students name is called as they get handed there diploma and then you have a bunch act like animals when ones name is called, Barking and the whole Hoo Hoo Hoo things as they pump their fist, yes I can see why they are so excited , I am sure that was the first member of the family to make it through 12 years of school.

[Gunny]

Darin we are talking apples and oranges I believe, I am talking about the uproar that disrupts the entire graduation ( bull horns, Barking, just being obnoxious ) A family that yells a name well that still is breaking the rule or at least not doing as asked, but what pisses me off is the folks that go crazy.

Somehow I didn't figure you fit into that category. :laugh:


Thanks for clarifying because your first reply to my comment suggested I think 'to hell with other parents'

Did you see the 'offense'? The parents said something like "You did it, baby!!"

That's not a problem and nobody was hurt by it.

It happens only once. I was so proud I didn't care who didn't like me making noise. That was Daddy's little girl on the stage.

[aboutime]

Yes I heard it Darin, but with that said if you notice what she said was cut, all I heard was what I think was baby, she says all she yelled was you did it baby. Something tells me it was alot more than that, I believe this is one of the cases where someones video recorder was altered. I believe in the next couple of days we will hear more about this, either someone will come forward with a longer video oe someone will come forward saying all she said was you made it baby, but like I said I didn't hear anything other than what I thought baby.

See I have been to one to many of these graduations all ready, and it is very disturbing when the entire stadium is quiet as each students name is called as they get handed there diploma and then you have a bunch act like animals when ones name is called, Barking and the whole Hoo Hoo Hoo things as they pump their fist, yes I can see why they are so excited , I am sure that was the first member of the family to make it through 12 years of school.


Jeff. I suspect, many, if not all of us have attended functions like this at some time in our lives. And, I also suspect. We have all heard such loud displays take place. Some of them really GOT OUT OF HAND, and were extremely Loud, and lasted longer than RESPECTABLE people would normally do.
That being said. Without using any LABELS, NAMES, or making ACCUSATIONS. We also knew...It was probably safer to KEEP QUIET, and just allow the STUPIDITY to take place to avoid confrontations.
That's the way LIFE IS TODAY.
And, IMO. IF, and UNTIL Americans finally become educated, and civilized to be seen as civil, and respectable. WE ALL HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THE STUPIDITY.
Anyone who disagrees with this. Either lives in a sealed box, or on another planet. IMO!

[Jeff]

What law exactly was broken?

Also i would think that if someones name is called out, and there is a ruckus, it falls in part to the speaker to withhold from continuing with names until there is quiet.


Jeff. I suspect, many, if not all of us have attended functions like this at some time in our lives. And, I also suspect. We have all heard such loud displays take place. Some of them really GOT OUT OF HAND, and were extremely Loud, and lasted longer than RESPECTABLE people would normally do.
That being said. Without using any LABELS, NAMES, or making ACCUSATIONS. We also knew...It was probably safer to KEEP QUIET, and just allow the STUPIDITY to take place to avoid confrontations.
That's the way LIFE IS TODAY.
And, IMO. IF, and UNTIL Americans finally become educated, and civilized to be seen as civil, and respectable. WE ALL HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THE STUPIDITY.
Anyone who disagrees with this. Either lives in a sealed box, or on another planet. IMO!

I hear ya and yes it is usually one set of people, trash white, trash black, and Gunny I have 4 kids and am proud of all of them, but if your little girl was graduating with one of my kids should I have the right to be screaming so as your childs name is called you can't even hear it ?

This happens with usually just a couple of families at each event, but if it is OK for them to go bezerk why isn't it OK for the other 300 plus kids graduating?

Noir says it should be up to the speaker to stop and wait for the animals to stop, do the math 300 kids times a minute, 300 mins. divided by 60 seconds , hell cut the 300 mins in half and divide by 60, not good no matter who is yelling, and again like I told dmp screaming "yea" and quitting ( although wrong, you where asked not to ) isn't what I am talking about, having 20 people screaming you go Bo , that my Boy/girl and on and on, that is my issue. And lest not forget if these same animals know the speaker will stop and we all can hoot and holler than they would go for 3 times as long, they are going to make asses out of themselves one way or another, kind of like who can have the wildest hair do, how low can I drop my draws.

But what are we telling the graduates when we do this, they hear the same speaker we do ask all to please keep your applause down until all have been called and then we do what we want, hmmm I guess as long as you want to no need to listen to the rules.

[Abbey Marie]

I don't think there is (or ever has been) a citizen under threat of jail for cheering at a graduation ceremony, but you're welcome to prove otherwise.
The UK is no bastion of freedom, but that doesn't mean I should be unable to point out instances of madness in the american legal system, right?

You're backpedaling now. You didn't just point it out- you made a sarcastic remark about the US being the "land of the free". Own it.

And it is true- if everyone was allowed to hoot and holler when their kid's name is called, one of two things happens: either the next parent doesn't get to hear their kid's name announced (which is why we have public graduations), or the speaker stops, and the graduation goes on forever. Not to mention that in big Universities, there are often other "colleges" scheduled to use the same facility right after.

But most of all- if the guy running the graduation asks you nicely to refrain from yelling out, etc., why be a jerk and do what pleases YOU anyway?
What if someone dances up and down the aisle with a boom box blasting, because they want to. Is that ok?

[Noir]

You're backpedaling now. You didn't just point it out- you made a sarcastic remark about the US being the "land of the free". Own it.

America, land of the free.
United Kingdom, land of the free.
Geddit?


And it is true- if everyone was allowed to hoot and holler when their kid's name is called, one of two things happens: either the next parent doesn't get to hear their kid's name announced (which is why we have public graduations), or the speaker stops, and the graduation goes on forever. Not to mention that in big Universities, there are often other "colleges" scheduled to use the same facility right after. But most of all- if the guy running the graduation asks you nicely to refrain from yelling out, etc., why be a jerk and do what pleases YOU anyway? What if someone dances up and down the aisle with a boom box blasting, because they want to. Is that ok?


If someone is causing a continued disturbance then they should be asked to leave.

Where the people involved being rude? Yes IMO. Does that justify papers being issued? No IMO.

[Abbey Marie]

America, land of the free.
United Kingdom, land of the free.
Geddit?
...


Frankly, from your post, no.

[tailfins]

I don't think there is (or ever has been) a citizen under threat of jail for cheering at a graduation ceremony, but you're welcome to prove otherwise.
The UK is no bastion of freedom, but that doesn't mean I should be unable to point out instances of madness in the american legal system, right?

You are correct in the sense that the accused could wind up with a criminal record, blocked from housing and deployment. It would be flat out wrong to let anything worse than deferred adjudication happen. If someone thinks picking up trash along side the road will give her time to think about what she did, OK. However it shouldn't go any further than that and dismiss the charges perhaps with some stipulations.

[Jeff]

You are correct in the sense that the accused could wind up with a criminal record, blocked from housing and deployment. It would be flat out wrong to let anything worse than deferred adjudication happen. If someone thinks picking up trash along side the road will give her time to think about what she did, OK. However it shouldn't go any further than that and dismiss the charges perhaps with some stipulations.

Tf I seriously doubt she would even get community service, a slap on the hand if anything is all she will get, but it may deter parents at next years graduation.

[aboutime]

Considering Today is the SIXTH (6) of June. As a veteran. I find myself asking whether our French neighbors, or friends remember the significance of THIS DATE. And, if so. HOW DARE YOU feel, and speak as you do when so many Americans here on this side of the ATLANTIC...have relatives, both alive, and dead who SAVED YOUR SPOILED, SELFISH BUTTS....more than once?

[red states rule]

Considering Today is the SIXTH (6) of June. As a veteran. I find myself asking whether our French neighbors, or friends remember the significance of THIS DATE. And, if so. HOW DARE YOU feel, and speak as you do when so many Americans here on this side of the ATLANTIC...have relatives, both alive, and dead who SAVED YOUR SPOILED, SELFISH BUTTS....more than once?

AT thanks for service. And yes on this day I doubt if Europe gives this date a second thought. It is just another day. But on this day, my Dad (RIP) and hundreds of thousands of others started the end of Hitler and liberated France. And I have not heard a thank you from them so far today

[aboutime]

AT thanks for service. And yes on this day I doubt if Europe gives this date a second thought. It is just another day. But on this day, my Dad (RIP) and hundreds of thousands of others started the end of Hitler and liberated France. And I have not heard a thank you from them so far today


red states..... FOR YOUR DAD! :salute::salute::salute::salute::salute::salute::s alute::salute::salute:

[red states rule]

red states..... FOR YOUR DAD! :salute::salute::salute::salute::salute::salute::s alute::salute::salute:

Thank you AT

He did 24 years. After WWII he was a DI. Trust me I did things HIS way - no questions asked

[aboutime]

Thank you AT

He did 24 years. After WWII he was a DI. Trust me I did things HIS way - no questions asked


I KNOW! Wish we still had THOUSANDS more like him today. I've been accused of being too HARSH, and sounding like I was a D.I. while I was on active duty. BUT...we always got things done...AS A TEAM.

I learned it from my dad. That WALK SOFTLY, AND CARRY A BIG STICK would scare the Wussies today.:laugh:

[red states rule]

I KNOW! Wish we still had THOUSANDS more like him today. I've been accused of being too HARSH, and sounding like I was a D.I. while I was on active duty. BUT...we always got things done...AS A TEAM.

I learned it from my dad. That WALK SOFTLY, AND CARRY A BIG STICK would scare the Wussies today.:laugh:

He was a good man

Now, fro France and all the countries America has liberated - and for men and women like you TA who served


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