New York Dem Trying to Require Gun Owners to Purchase Liability Insurance

[Jeff]

OK this guy says just like a car all should have insurance, well if a gun is just like a car why do we need special background checks to buy guns, to carry them. If this guy gets his way then any American ( without a felony ) should be able to buy a gun and carry it as long as he/she has insurance, heck I said no to felonies, well heck they can own cars as well so come on and get y'all a gun. what a stupid argument.


If they can’t completely ban firearms, they can at least make it so expensive and burdensome to own them that people give up trying. One Democrat Representative from New York is trying to make it a law that gun owners purchase liability insurance while facing $10,000 in fines for noncompliance. If the law is anything like legislation introduced in California a couple years ago, there will be lower insurance rates offered if the owners’ guns are unloaded, disassembled and locked away in a safe at all times. In other words, if your gun is rendered useless at all times, then you can qualify for lower premiums. The Hill reported (http://thehill.com/regulation/243425-house-bill-would-require-gun-owners-to-carry-insurance):
House Democrat Rep. Carolyn Maloney (N.Y.) has introduced a bill that would require gun owners to carry liability insurance.
The Firearm Risk Protection Act, unveiled Friday, would require gun buyers to have liability insurance coverage before being allowed to purchase a weapon, and would impose a fine of $10,000 if an owner is found not to have it. Service members and law enforcement officers, however, would be exempt from the requirement.
“We require insurance to own a car, but no such requirement exists for guns,” Maloney said in a statement. “The results are clear: car fatalities have declined by 25 percent in the last decade, but gun fatalities continue to rise.”





http://lastresistance.com/11922/new-york-dem-trying-to-require-gun-owners-to-purchase-liability-insurance/

[Surf Fishing Guru]

Just think of how many new lawyers would be created to go after and defend 7.5 Trillion Dollars of new insurance being written in the USA (assuming 75 million gun owners are each forced to buy a $100K policy).

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

OK this guy says just like a car all should have insurance, well if a gun is just like a car why do we need special background checks to buy guns, to carry them. If this guy gets his way then any American ( without a felony ) should be able to buy a gun and carry it as long as he/she has insurance, heck I said no to felonies, well heck they can own cars as well so come on and get y'all a gun. what a stupid argument.




http://lastresistance.com/11922/new-york-dem-trying-to-require-gun-owners-to-purchase-liability-insurance/

Chip away at even the biggest boulder long and deep enough eventually all that is left is a utterly useless pile of rubble ,
We can now easily see the attempt by the dems being made to turn the 2nd into a useless pile of rubble.
What we do not get to see is them properly punished for their treasonous policies and propaganda.
And thats because they hide a lot of it and have a slavish media protecting them too.
The ALL TO WILLING socialist media is in on it neck deep and surely deserve the proper remembrance if justice is ever served up in the future IMHO.
Remember, remember, remember!!!--Tyr

[red state]

Chip away at even the biggest boulder long and deep enough eventually all that is left is a utterly useless pile of rubble ,
We can now easily see the attempt by the dems being made to turn the 2nd into a useless pile of rubble.
What we do not get to see is them properly punished for their treasonous policies and propaganda.
And thats because they hide a lot of it and have a slavish media protecting them too.
The ALL TO WILLING socialist media is in on it neck deep and surely deserve the proper remembrance if justice is ever served up in the future IMHO.
Remember, remember, remember!!!--Tyr


Yeah....THEM and the spineless rebubliCANTs. We have a full deck of cards and we still can't call the left's bluff!!!! Even when it is obvious that they hold nuthin' but the JOKER card.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yeah....THEM and the spineless rebubliCANTs. We have a full deck of cards and we still can't call the left's bluff!!!! Even when it is obvious that they hold nuthin' but the JOKER card.

That is because the power of the Big G and its Treasury buys off so many and others it either destroys or sends into deep fear.
The Big G is not imagination, rather its an all too real monster thats growing and will destroy any that gets in its way.
The dems have planted so many seeds in its huge number of departments /agencies that eve when Republicans win control they are shafted left and right
by those living off our tax dollars planted to maintain the monster. :flameth:--Tyr

[Voted4Reagan]

Then there will be Insurance for Table Saws, Hammers, Screwdrivers, jackhammers, Drills, lathes, planers...

A gun is a TOOL.

I can kill someone just as quickly with any of the above.

This measure will fail. Too broad in scope.

[grannyhawkins]

So do mezcan cartels hafta buy this insurance with thar fast an furious purchases???

[namvet]

and the premiums, how much......... or dare i ask ??

[Voted4Reagan]

It's NY.... probably about $5000 to $10000 per year to cover ADMINISTRATIVE costs.

[red state]

So do mezcan cartels hafta buy this insurance with thar fast an furious purchases???

What's Fast & Furious? Oh yeah, I remember now. I thought we had gotten to the bottom of that one or the biggest loss of Navy S.E.A.L.s in our history, or Benghazi or the IRS Scandal or the EMAIL cover up and all the rest. Oh yeah.....that's right; WE ain't got to the bottom of nuthin'. Don't we have control again? Will we change a blame thing if we get TOTAL control with a Republican president & a FULL house?! Probably not.

Granny, thank you so much for reminding me about Fast & Furious. Truthfully, I can see why the Republicans may possibly be overwhelmed with all this so-called president and his evil assistants have done.

[Jeff]

What's Fast & Furious? Oh yeah, I remember now. I thought we had gotten to the bottom of that one or the biggest loss of Navy S.E.A.L.s in our history, or Benghazi or the IRS Scandal or the EMAIL cover up and all the rest. Oh yeah.....that's right; WE ain't got to the bottom of nuthin'. Don't we have control again? Will we change a blame thing if we get TOTAL control with a Republican president & a FULL house?! Probably not.

Granny, thank you so much for reminding me about Fast & Furious. Truthfully, I can see why the Republicans may possibly be overwhelmed with all this so-called president and his evil assistants have done.


See Obama's plan has worked, he has so much going on that people forget 3/4 of the scandals, heck another scandal, another riot. Yup Obama isn't as stupid as many think, he just works on being evil more than he does doing the right thing.

[red state]

See Obama's plan has worked, he has so much going on that people forget 3/4 of the scandals, heck another scandal, another riot. Yup Obama isn't as stupid as many think, he just works on being evil more than he does doing the right thing.

Jeff, another thing to consider is the similarity to the LEFT (in this case B.O.) and HITLER. OK, I know that the left and con-pretenders always throw the Hitler is a conversation killer when comparing him and America's enemy but look at the facts without throwing in the "RACE CARD" or the "FOUL, NOT FAIR, HITLER CARD".

The fact is, HITLER and/or Hitler's philosophy was to tell a big enough lie, often enough to where it became so-called truth to the ignorant among us. We see this same tactic thrown at our youth through the education system and to the general public who can't see B.O. for what he is. We also see those invited to invade our borders under false pretenses and at the expense of tax payers and the security/prosperity for every one of us.

Heck, even those who know better often times believe the EPA, Homeland Security and other NEW bureaucracy's lies that we are safe, prosperous and FREE because our 'so-called' leaders have told us so; even though it has been proven that we are not. We have poor water, a deteriorating grid and a terrible loss of freedom....with NOTHING to show for it on a big scale. These new gov "employees" and hassles we have to go through have yet to stamp out much of the terrorism it was meant for or improve day to day living. In that regard, we are all living a lie to some degree......merely because we put up with it when we should be shouting FOUL from the mountain tops.

[Balu]

Then there will be Insurance for Table Saws, Hammers, Screwdrivers, jackhammers, Drills, lathes, planers...

A gun is a TOOL.

I can kill someone just as quickly with any of the above.

This measure will fail. Too broad in scope.
True! This is a person, but not a gun who kills. The GUN is a TOOL, but a tool designed ONLY for killing. I don't think that anybody buy guns to crack nuts or open bottles with beer.
And then, if you are stating that your can easily kill a person with a help of the enumerated above, you're likely to be specially trained and served for a long time with special forces. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif
In my opinion the idea is quite reasonable, though this is not my business at all. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/yes.gif

[Perianne]

Any limitations on the right to vote is fought tooth and nail by the Democrats. But they put up every obstacle imaginable for people to partake of their 2nd Amendment right to own a gun.

[Thunderknuckles]

It all boils down to "taxing" Americans for their constitutional right to bear arms. That moron needs to look back to the founder of the Democratic Party, Andrew Jackson, and ponder what he may have thought of such an idea. Personally, I think Jackson would have taken her out back and shot her himself.

[Voted4Reagan]

True! This is a person, but not a gun who kills. The GUN is a TOOL, but a tool designed ONLY for killing. I don't think that anybody buy guns to crack nuts or open bottles with beer.
And then, if you are stating that your can easily kill a person with a help of the enumerated above, you're likely to be specially trained and served for a long time with special forces. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif
In my opinion the idea is quite reasonable, though this is not my business at all. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/yes.gif

I quote the second amendment.


"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Making it impossible to own a gun because you cant afford the insurance premiums INFRINGES on my right to keep a weapon.

[aboutime]

This is what happens when Democrats run, and destroy towns, cities, counties in NEW YORK.

Then the Democrats in power (just like in Baltimore, Detroit, Philly) WONDER why everybody is LEAVING the city, town, and State???

I do wonder if this DUMBOCRAT from N.Y. will soon find a need to REQUIRE GANG MEMBERS who kill, rob, and sell drugs to ALSO purchase Obamacare....I MEAN LIABILITY INSURANCE (unconstitutionally)

[Jeff]

True! This is a person, but not a gun who kills. The GUN is a TOOL, but a tool designed ONLY for killing. I don't think that anybody buy guns to crack nuts or open bottles with beer.
And then, if you are stating that your can easily kill a person with a help of the enumerated above, you're likely to be specially trained and served for a long time with special forces. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif
In my opinion the idea is quite reasonable, though this is not my business at all. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/yes.gif

This from a person that can't own a gun to protect himself or his family, I guess if I couldn't I may have the same attitude, but truth be told folks get killed way more in household mishaps than by gun shots. Someone has already posted it but asking folks to insure their weapons is telling those that can''t afford it they can't own one, and quite honestly just another way to get guns out of law abiding citizens hands. They can't do it by vote ( most believe in the 2nd amendment ) so they are trying anyway they can.

[Voted4Reagan]

Top causes of death



Heart disease: 611,105
Cancer: 584,881
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 149,205
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 130,557
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,978
Alzheimer's disease: 84,767
Diabetes: 75,578
Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,979
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 47,112
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 41,149


Nope... Firearms deaths dont register....

[Jeff]

Top causes of death



Heart disease: 611,105
Cancer: 584,881
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 149,205
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 130,557
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,978
Alzheimer's disease: 84,767
Diabetes: 75,578
Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,979
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 47,112
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 41,149

Nope... Firearms deaths dont register....

Liar :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Try to show a Dem stats and that is the exact response you will get.

[aboutime]

Top causes of death



Heart disease: 611,105
Cancer: 584,881
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 149,205
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 130,557
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,978
Alzheimer's disease: 84,767
Diabetes: 75,578
Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,979
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 47,112
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 41,149


Nope... Firearms deaths dont register....



V4R. Gotta disagree with you on this. You left the one, most important cause OFF THE LIST.

And that is Stupidity, Ignorance,Dumb (all inclusive)

[grannyhawkins]

True! This is a person, but not a gun who kills. The GUN is a TOOL, but a tool designed ONLY for killing. I don't think that anybody buy guns to crack nuts or open bottles with beer.
And then, if you are stating that your can easily kill a person with a help of the enumerated above, you're likely to be specially trained and served for a long time with special forces. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif
In my opinion the idea is quite reasonable, though this is not my business at all. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/yes.gif

Gud Lawd, folks been killin each other since time began, long before chinese gunpowder an still they managed with no special trainin atall!!!

[Voted4Reagan]

V4R. Gotta disagree with you on this. You left the one, most important cause OFF THE LIST.

And that is
Stupidity, Ignorance,Dumb (all inclusive)

as Granny would say...

ya cant fix stoopid... !!!

[red state]

Gud Lawd, folks been killin each other since time began, long before chinese gunpowder an still they managed with no special trainin atall!!!

Granny, can you believe that idiot?! HA!!!!

That Balu character has got to be in the running for the stupid statement awards. That was right up there with something Gabs-a-lot would say. Try hammer homocides.....no special training there. I've used hammers for most anything (including cracking nuts) and a friend of mine just got out of the pen a few years ago for various things and he unfortunately had to kill his dad with a hammer (not why he served time, however). Just saying, you'd be surprised how many murders are committed with KraZy "weapons".

[Balu]

I quote the second amendment.

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Making it impossible to own a gun because you cant afford the insurance premiums INFRINGES on my right to keep a weapon.

I would disagree. You are not permitted to drive a car without insurance. But the guns are of higher potential danger than a car. And this insurance will not deprive a person from obtaining the guns. So it doesn't contradict to the 2-nd amendment.

[aboutime]

I would disagree. You are not permitted to drive a car without insurance. But the guns are of higher potential danger than a car. And this insurance will not deprive a person from obtaining the guns. So it doesn't contradict to the 2-nd amendment.


Balu. So, perhaps you would like to tell us WHO will force the Criminals who use guns, and the Thugs who steal cars to buy Insurance???

You should stick to what you know. Propaganda Jokes.

[Balu]

Balu. So, perhaps you would like to tell us WHO will force the Criminals who use guns, and the Thugs who steal cars to buy Insurance???
You should stick to what you know. Propaganda Jokes.
Once again. This insurance contradicts in no way to the 2-nd amendment you are speaking about. The insurance may only additionally regulate the ownership of the guns. I think it is reasonable because of the guns nature.
You are constantly speaking about the RIGHTS of a person. But the person obtains the RIGHTS since his very birth. I don't think that you will seriously consider the possibility of possession the guns by children. But this can always be treated as a violation of the amendment in question. I remember the times when шт the USA it was possible to order the deliverance the guns by post. I don't think that it is nowadays practice.
You see I am only expressing my personal opinion basing on my personal life experience and a common sense.
Then there are some other questions which also should be regulated in spite of the right to obtain guns. A person MUST be skilled to use the gun. And it requires regular training. Please believe, I know what I am speaking about. That's why I treat this subject with such a caution.
I don't think that those who are speaking about the guns have the skills vaguely reminiscent to those demonstrated by instructor. But with no skills any gun is useless and may even cause an additional danger to its owner.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Xo139v74I&index=11&list=PLse_Q8KwMv_gcYFLuIJctE0fNlwN5OZp9

[Jeff]

I would disagree. You are not permitted to drive a car without insurance. But the guns are of higher potential danger than a car. And this insurance will not deprive a person from obtaining the guns. So it doesn't contradict to the 2-nd amendment.

Balu there are 100 times probably a 1000 times more people killed by auto's that by guns, and a car is to be used everyday out in the public, a gun is to be shot at a insured range or at your insured home, or in a emergency to save ones life.


Once again. This insurance contradicts in no way to the 2-nd amendment you are speaking about. The insurance may only additionally regulate the ownership of the guns. I think it is reasonable because of the guns nature.
You are constantly speaking about the RIGHTS of a person. But the person obtains the RIGHTS since his very birth. I don't think that you will seriously consider the possibility of possession the guns by children. But this can always be treated as a violation of the amendment in question. I remember the times when шт the USA it was possible to order the deliverance the guns by post. I don't think that it is nowadays practice.
You see I am only expressing my personal opinion basing on my personal life experience and a common sense.
Then there are some other questions which also should be regulated in spite of the right to obtain guns. A person MUST be skilled to use the gun. And it requires regular training. Please believe, I know what I am speaking about. That's why I treat this subject with such a caution.
I don't think that those who are speaking about the guns have the skills vaguely reminiscent to those demonstrated by instructor. But with no skills any gun is useless and may even cause an additional danger to its owner.

All my kids owned some type of gun before they where 7 years old, now that didn't tote them around with them rather they sat in Daddy's safe, but they where allowed to shoot anytime they asked as long as I was present.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Xo139v74I&index=11&
list=PLse_Q8KwMv_gcYFLuIJctE0fNlwN5OZp9


Balu I think it is hard for you to understand being you aren't allowed to own a gun ( I am not picking I am being serious ) See I have no idea what the crime rate is like over there, but over here if you don't own a gun you are a fool, and the thugs that run around with the illegal guns causing all the problems certainly aren't going to insure their weapons, nor are they going to follow any of the laws about guns, so when they change the laws to make it harder for one to own a gun they are kind of rewarding the thugs, see me as a law abiding citizen have to jump through hoops to get a gun where as some just walk to the closes shady corner and get one, me I get all my permits, do everything legal and plan and pray on never pulling it out ( but it is ready if need be ) where as the thugs are shooting innocents with stray bullets and of course breaking every law know to man, seems silly to punish the good guys huh.

[Voted4Reagan]

I would disagree. You are not permitted to drive a car without insurance. But the guns are of higher potential danger than a car. And this insurance will not deprive a person from obtaining the guns. So it doesn't contradict to the 2-nd amendment.

More people die in car wrecks than by gunshot in the USA every year. Potential makes no difference.

[Balu]

Then there will be Insurance for Table Saws, Hammers, Screwdrivers, jackhammers, Drills, lathes, planers...

A gun is a TOOL.

I can kill someone just as quickly with any of the above.

This measure will fail. Too broad in scope.

But can you? Have a look and enjoy the difference. (The second is a BG) http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hpGxNLg7q8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1JKwjfKjvc#t=30

[Balu]

More people die in car wrecks than by gunshot in the USA every year. Potential makes no difference.
But it makes, if we consider their possible decrease.

[Voted4Reagan]

But it makes, if we consider their possible decrease.


seeing you dont have live in a country that allows personal freedoms.... you really have no basis for comparison.

[Gunny]

Then there will be Insurance for Table Saws, Hammers, Screwdrivers, jackhammers, Drills, lathes, planers...

A gun is a TOOL.

I can kill someone just as quickly with any of the above.

This measure will fail. Too broad in scope.

Join the club. You left out a pencil.

[Balu]

seeing you dont have live in a country that allows personal freedoms.... you really have no basis for comparison.

The personal freedom ends at the edge of a fist of the legitimate interests of the other. Freedom IS NOT absolute. Absolute freedom is called an anarchy and lawlessness. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

[Gunny]

True! This is a person, but not a gun who kills. The GUN is a TOOL, but a tool designed ONLY for killing. I don't think that anybody buy guns to crack nuts or open bottles with beer.
And then, if you are stating that your can easily kill a person with a help of the enumerated above, you're likely to be specially trained and served for a long time with special forces. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif
In my opinion the idea is quite reasonable, though this is not my business at all. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/yes.gif

So we should outlaw my hands? The fact is, it takes a finger to squeeze a trigger and that finger is controlled by a brain. A gun doesn't do a damned thing on its own.

[Jeff]

So we should outlaw my hands? The fact is, it takes a finger to squeeze a trigger and that finger is controlled by a brain. A gun doesn't do a damned thing on its own.

yup, I have left my guns loaded and sitting in the cabinet, and the dam things are lazy, they haven't killed not one person yet. :laugh:

[Balu]

Gunny!
If your answer personally to me, do not bother yourself.You are on my ignore list.

[Balu]

yup, I have left my guns loaded and sitting in the cabinet, and the dam things are lazy, they haven't killed not one person yet. :laugh:

If it is so, this is violation of the guns storage and maintenance regulations. The guns are to be loaded before their use only. This is the universal rule. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/sad.gif

[Jeff]

If it is so, this is violation of the guns storage and maintenance regulations. The guns are to be loaded before their use only. This is the universal rule. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/sad.gif

I haven't heard that one, but if you say I am guilty then I guess I am, :laugh: my carry gun is loaded 24/7 the only time it isn't is when I change out mags, honestly a unloaded weapon is about as good as no weapon when someone comes crashing through the door, now with that said my guns are kept in a locked cabinet ( most ) or in other safe area's.

[Balu]

I haven't heard that one, but if you say I am guilty then I guess I am, :laugh: my carry gun is loaded 24/7 the only time it isn't is when I change out mags, honestly a unloaded weapon is about as good as no weapon when someone comes crashing through the door, now with that said my guns are kept in a locked cabinet ( most ) or in other safe area's.
There is no reason for smiles. This is the safety precaution requirements. You may consult any serviceman or a cop to make sure that I'm right. The guns and ammunition are to be stored apart from each other.

[Voted4Reagan]

The personal freedom ends at the edge of a fist of the legitimate interests of the other. Freedom IS NOT absolute. Absolute freedom is called an anarchy and lawlessness. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

my CONSTITUTION gives me the freedom... Putin gives Russians nothing

[Voted4Reagan]

If it is so, this is violation of the guns storage and maintenance regulations. The guns are to be loaded before their use only. This is the universal rule. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/sad.gif

considering you cant own a firearm..... you are not an expert on regulations....

[namvet]

Gunny!
If your answer personally to me, do not bother yourself.You are on my ignore list.

http://smileyicons.net/s/529.gif http://smileyicons.net/s/490.gif

[Jeff]

There is no reason for smiles. This is the safety precaution requirements. You may consult any serviceman or a cop to make sure that I'm right. The guns and ammunition are to be stored apart from each other.

Those aren't smiles they are laughing at you. I have friends that are cops, in fact ne just showed me this new holster he has that mounts to the side of his bed where he keeps his Loaded 45 at all times.

Guns must be kept in a safe way, as a gun owner that is your responsibility, but I have never seen a law that says in my house a gun must be unloaded and the ammo stored away from the gun :laugh: ( yea there is that little guy laughing at you again ) Tell me Balu what the hell good is a unloaded gun where as the ammo is stored away from the gun when some Meth head breaks your door down and decides he is going to take your belongings and and well he is here he wants to rape your wife or daughter, boy I bet that unloaded gun is going to do wonders now :rolleyes: ( that is the little dude showing sarcasm )

Now certain states have laws that say you must store your broke down weapon in a locked bock and your ammo in another while in the vehicle, but see some have no worries about that because they have a carry permit and may carry a loaded weapon on their side or concealed.

[Gunny]

http://smileyicons.net/s/529.gif http://smileyicons.net/s/490.gif

That just makes you a pussy, doesn't it?

Besides, all anyone has to do is quote me and your dumb ass will read it. Proof is in the post I quote.

Why don't you grow some balls and man up instead of hiding behind an internet function. If you're so convinced you're right, you wouldn't have to hide. Courage of conviction, Ivan. Get some.

[aboutime]

considering you cant own a firearm..... you are not an expert on regulations....

V4R...Imagine this. Balu's home is entered by thugs with guns, and they meet Balu, holding his ILLEGAL-EMPTY gun. So, he politely asks the Thugs to WAIT A SECOND, while Balu LOADS his weapon with Rubber bullets???:laugh:

[namvet]

That just makes you a pussy, doesn't it?

Besides, all anyone has to do is quote me and your dumb ass will read it. Proof is in the post I quote.

Why don't you grow some balls and man up instead of hiding behind an internet function. If you're so convinced you're right, you wouldn't have to hide. Courage of conviction, Ivan. Get some.

my guess is either he's got a gun pointed at the back of his head OR a hand sticking out the back of his neck OR

https://thesinglecell.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/howdy-strings.jpg

[Balu]

my CONSTITUTION gives me the freedom... Putin gives Russians nothing
I use to speak seriously without bla-bla. Freedom of an individual was, is and will ALWAYS be restricted by the Government in ANY society. Please take your propaganda blinkers off and try to think it over. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

[Gunny]

I use to speak seriously without bla-bla. Freedom of an individual was, is and will ALWAYS be restricted by the Government in ANY society. Please take your propaganda blinkers off and try to think it over. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

Last I checked -- and owned one -- a Makarov is a .32 calibre handgun. It's also accurate WAY past 5 meters. Give it a good 25 yards.

So you're saying size matters, huh?

[Jeff]

Gunny!
If your answer personally to me, do not bother yourself.You are on my ignore list.


That just makes you a pussy, doesn't it?

Besides, all anyone has to do is quote me and your dumb ass will read it. Proof is in the post I quote.

Why don't you grow some balls and man up instead of hiding behind an internet function. If you're so convinced you're right, you wouldn't have to hide. Courage of conviction, Ivan. Get some.

It's cool that he keeps telling you that you are on ignore, whether reading a quote or lying about the ignore, either makes you a punk. :laugh: I have to agree with ya Gunny, ignore is for punks, hell man up and have a civil debate or just ignore the person, but I never hit that ignore button.

[Balu]

V4R...Imagine this. Balu's home is entered by thugs with guns, and they meet Balu, holding his ILLEGAL-EMPTY gun. So, he politely asks the Thugs to WAIT A SECOND, while Balu LOADS his weapon with Rubber bullets???:laugh:
You know English better than I do. So, please, tell me the difference between STORING (I am speaking about) and CARRYING? http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/dntknw.gif
And if you are not able to take a gun and load it within 5-7 sec. you are NOT a person who CAN handle a gun.

And here is a clip about the skills of those, who is planning self defense with guns.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1cCwSsDHj0&spfreload=10

[Balu]

It's cool that he keeps telling you that you are on ignore, whether reading a quote or lying about the ignore, either makes you a punk. :laugh: I have to agree with ya Gunny, ignore is for punks, hell man up and have a civil debate or just ignore the person, but I never hit that ignore button.
It seems that my English is so poor, that the meaning remains unclear - "your posts will not be answered".

"Gunny!
If your answer personally to me, do not bother yourself. You are on my ignore list."

[aboutime]

It seems that my English is so poor, that the meaning remains unclear - your posts will not be answered.

"Gunny!
If your answer personally to me, do not bother yourself. You are on my ignore list."


Balu. None of us here were BORN YESTERDAY. We all know..the only member you have on IGNORE is YOURSELF. You ignore everything you say here, and pretend ALL OF US are as DUMB as you.

[Balu]

Balu. None of us here were BORN YESTERDAY. We all know..the only member you have on IGNORE is YOURSELF. You ignore everything you say here, and pretend ALL OF US are as DUMB as you.
Please, calm down and remember the famous phrase - "Jupiter, you are angry then you are wrong". I understand and am accustomed to that Americans can hardly bear that anybody can have opinions and views other than theirs. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

Synonyms - blunt, stupid, dull, dumb.

[darin]

Please, calm down and remember the famous phrase - "Jupiter, you are angry then you are wrong". I understand and am accustomed to that Americans can hardly bear that anybody can have opinions and views other than theirs. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

Synonyms - blunt, stupid, dull, dumb.

Funny you call for calming, yet throw on the insult at the end; No population is more tolerant of opposing viewpoints than that of the US of A. Except our Liberals; they tolerate ONLY things they like. :)

I love Russian people - but Russia? Shit. Criticize Putin? Die or go to jail. Be a vocal homo? Get beaten up or go to jail. (shrug).

You're lead by bullies; we're lead by a pussy though, so...yeah. (shrug).

[aboutime]

Please, calm down and remember the famous phrase - "Jupiter, you are angry then you are wrong". I understand and am accustomed to that Americans can hardly bear that anybody can have opinions and views other than theirs. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

Synonyms - blunt, stupid, dull, dumb.


Balu. Please FORGIVE me for being an American who actually devoted most of my life...to make sure, Even You, could come here to say whatever you want. No matter how disgusting, or dumb.
I took an oath in 1964, and many times after that (every 4 to 6 years) to Protect, and Defend OUR Constitution that allows...even Russian Propagandists...to come here and speak freely.
Use all they synonyms you like. But remember. According to OUR CONSTITUTION.
Nobody can take YOUR rights to be Blunt, Stupid, Dull, or Dumb away. Which is why You hate Americans so much.

[namvet]

man I could take this Balu character on the road and make a fortune HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..............

[aboutime]

man I could take this Balu character on the road and make a fortune HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..............


namvet. Even that would be a mistake. Nobody can make money trying to fool people Balu was real.:laugh:

[Balu]

Those aren't smiles they are laughing at you. I have friends that are cops, in fact he just showed me this new holster he has that mounts to the side of his bed where he keeps his Loaded 45 at all times. ...

My Best Regards to Mr. Tackleberry! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/laugh3.gif

[Balu]

Balu. Please FORGIVE me for being an American who actually devoted most of my life...to make sure, Even You, could come here to say whatever you want. No matter how disgusting, or dumb.
I took an oath in 1964, and many times after that (every 4 to 6 years) to Protect, and Defend OUR Constitution that allows...even Russian Propagandists...to come here and speak freely.
Use all they synonyms you like. But remember. According to OUR CONSTITUTION.
Nobody can take YOUR rights to be Blunt, Stupid, Dull, or Dumb away. Which is why You hate Americans so much.

I've no reasons to hate Americans. You are rather funny creatures. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif
If you only knew Russian you could have learned what Russians write on our forums. But, unfortunately, you don't, so I let you remain in your ignorant happiness. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

[Balu]

Balu. Please FORGIVE me for being an American who actually devoted most of my life...to make sure, Even You, could come here to say whatever you want. No matter how disgusting, or dumb.
I took an oath in 1964, and many times after that (every 4 to 6 years) to Protect, and Defend OUR Constitution that allows...even Russian Propagandists...to come here and speak freely.
Use all they synonyms you like. But remember. According to OUR CONSTITUTION.
Nobody can take YOUR rights to be Blunt, Stupid, Dull, or Dumb away. Which is why You hate Americans so much.
I can, but you CAN NOT. My Congratulation on your “USA FREEDOM Act of 2015”, my American Free friend, enjoying your comfortable life in "Prism" program frame. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

[Voted4Reagan]

I use to speak seriously without bla-bla. Freedom of an individual was, is and will ALWAYS be restricted by the Government in ANY society. Please take your propaganda blinkers off and try to think it over. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

Yeah.... says the person from the country that murdered millions of it's own citizens for disagreeing with anything the Government said.

How many Innocent Russians died in Stalins Purges?

Maybe if they were armed those 10's of millions of people would have stood a chance.

[Balu]

Yeah.... says the person from the country that murdered millions of it's own citizens for disagreeing with anything the Government said.

How many Innocent Russians died in Stalins Purges?

Maybe if they were armed those 10's of millions of people would have stood a chance.
It is very funny to hear this from those who were subjected to genocide millions of indigenous people and slaves brought from Africa. Or you have forgotten about this?
Besides, I have to remind you that Russia IS NOT the USSR.

[Balu]

Yeah.... says the person from the country that murdered millions of it's own citizens for disagreeing with anything the Government said.

How many Innocent Russians died in Stalins Purges?

Maybe if they were armed those 10's of millions of people would have stood a chance.

Evidently you are speaking about the notorious Article No. 58. of that time Penal Code. Read it first, and then try to think over who is guilty and who is innocent. For example my Grandpa was convicted under this article and sentenced to 3rd years of forced labor for the anecdote narrated. Every weekend he was at home. He also is a victim of the Stalinist regime. Occasionally а Mr. Lecshinsky, who reported about this case was found dead on the river bank when fishing in one of week-ends. He was very unlucky. He fall down and hit his head on a rock.
it was regarded as an accident.
I do not justify anybody, but just explaining how it was in those days a few years after the Civil War.

Article 58 of the RSFSR (Russian Soviet Federal Socialist Republic) Penal Code was put in force on 25 February 1927 to arrest those suspected of counter-revolutionary activities. It was revised several times. In particular, its Article 58-1 was updated by the listed sub-articles and put in force on 8 June 1934.

This article introduced the formal notion of the “enemy of workers”. Penal codes of other republics of Soviet Union also had articles of similar nature.
58-1: Definition of counter-revolutionary activity:
"A counter-revolutionary action is any action aimed at overthrowing, undermining or weakening of the power of workers' and peasants' Soviets... and governments of the USSR and Soviet and autonomous republics, or at the undermining or weakening of the external security of the USSR and main economical, political and national achievements of the proletarian revolution"
58-1а. Treason: death sentence or 10 years of prison, both cases with property confiscation.
58-1в. In the case of flight of the offender of treason, his relatives were subject to 5–10 years of imprisonment with property confiscation or 5 years of Siberia exile, depending on the circumstances: either they helped or knew and didn't report or simply lived with the offender.
(Between 28 September 1944 and 16 April 1947, the death penalty was carried out on 767 people in Lithuania. 613 of them were sentenced under Articles 58-1а and 58-1в ‘For treason’ of the 1926 Criminal Code of the RSFSR)
58-1б. Treason by military personnel: death sentence with property confiscation.
58-1г. Non-reporting of a treason by a military man: 10 years of imprisonment. Non-reporting by others: offense by Article 58-12.
58-2. Armed uprising or intervention with the goal to seize the power: up to death with confiscation, including formal recognition as "enemy of workers".
58-3. Contacts with foreigners "with counter-revolutionary purposes" (as defined by 58-1) are subject to Article 58-2.
58-4. Any kind of help to "international bourgeoisie" which, not recognizing the equality of communist political system, strives to overthrow it: punishment similar to 58-2.
58-5. Urging any foreign entity to declaration of war, military intervention, blockade, capture of state property, breaking diplomatic relations, breaking international treaties, and other aggressive actions against USSR: similar to 58-2.
58-6. Espionage. Punishment: similar to 58-2.
58-7. Undermining of state industry, transport, monetary circulation or credit system, as well as of cooperative societies and organizations, with counter-revolutionary purpose (as defined by 58-1) by means of the corresponding usage of the state institutions, as well as by opposing their normal functioning: same as 58-2. Note: the offense according to this article was known as wrecking and the offenders were called "wreckers".
58-8. Terrorist acts against representatives of Soviet power or of workers and peasants organisations: same as 58-2.
58-9. Damage of transport, communication, water supply, warehouses and other buildings or state and communal property with counter-revolutionary purpose: same as 58-2.
58-10. Anti-Soviet and counter-revolutionary propaganda and agitation: at least 6 months of imprisonment. In the conditions of unrest or war: same as 58.2.
58-11. Any kind of organisational or support actions related to the preparation or execution of the above crimes is equated to the corresponding offenses and prosecuted by the corresponding articles.
58-12. Non-reporting of a "counter-revolutionary activity": at least 6 months of imprisonment.
58-13. Active struggle against revolutionary movement of tsarist personnel and members of "counter-revolutionary governments" during the civil war, same as 58-2.
58-14 (added on June 6, 1937) "Counter-revolutionary sabotage", i.e., conscious non-execution or deliberately careless execution of "defined duties", aimed at the weakening of the power of the government and of the functioning of the state apparatus is subject to at least one year of freedom deprivation, and under especially aggravating circumstances, up to the highest measure of social protection: execution by shooting with confiscation of property.

[Voted4Reagan]

It is very funny to hear this from those who were subjected to genocide millions of indigenous people and slaves brought from Africa. Or you have forgotten about this?
Besides, I have to remind you that Russia IS NOT the USSR.

Clean your own house before you worry about ours.. we ended slavery 50 years before the 1917 revolution and Stalin started his purges well into the 20th century.

10's of millions dead from murder and starvation under Stalins Orders. 100's of millions enslaved and held prisoner under the communist system for 70 years. Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, East Germany, Bulgaria and all the rest of the former Warsaw Pact. People seeking freedom executed for trying to seek freedom.

Do not preach to me about your superior system... The Horrors of the Soviet Regime from Lenin to Andropov are innumerable. The horrors of the Lubyanka and Lefortovo Prisons where innocent civilians were tortured. Siberian exile.

What happened here in the USA with the indigenous people was not right. but most died from Disease, not slaughter.

The Russians mastered genocide.... I'll ask the Ukrainians about that. And the Afghans.

Do not play holier than thou with me Balu...

[Jeff]

Clean your own house before you worry about ours.. we ended slavery 50 years before the 1917 revolution and Stalin started his purges well into the 20th century.

10's of millions dead from murder and starvation under Stalins Orders. 100's of millions enslaved and held prisoner under the communist system for 70 years. Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, East Germany, Bulgaria and all the rest of the former Warsaw Pact. People seeking freedom executed for trying to seek freedom.

Do not preach to me about your superior system... The Horrors of the Soviet Regime from Lenin to Andropov are innumerable. The horrors of the Lubyanka and Lefortovo Prisons where innocent civilians were tortured. Siberian exile.

What happened here in the USA with the indigenous people was not right. but most died from Disease, not slaughter.

The Russians mastered genocide.... I'll ask the Ukrainians about that. And the Afghans.

Do not play holier than thou with me Balu...

And let's be honest, Balu is just pissed because the Russians weren't smart enough to think of slavery first. :laugh: J/K

I think V4R has answered Balu well enough.

[Voted4Reagan]

And let's be honest, Balu is just pissed because the Russians weren't smart enough to think of slavery first. :laugh: J/K

I think V4R has answered Balu well enough.

NO country is innocent in it's treatment of indigenous people. The peasants were basically slaves to the TZAR and the Russian nobility.

The Russians slaughtered the indigenous Yakuts, Koryak ,Kamchadals, Itelmens, Yukagirs, Vogules, Aluets and Chukchi.

Lets not forget the murder and atrocities committed by the Red Army in 1945 and 1946. an estimated 2 million Murders and Rapes of Geman and Prussian women at the hands of the Red Army.

The Russians have more Blood on their hands than they'll ever be able to wash off...

[namvet]

Yeah.... says the person from the country that murdered millions of it's own citizens for disagreeing with anything the Government said.

How many Innocent Russians died in Stalins Purges?

Maybe if they were armed those 10's of millions of people would have stood a chance.

I think uncle Joe was credited with 14 million. which made Hitler look like a choir boy. but he was also scared shitless of being murdered to. and to that extent he slept in a different bed/house every night.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yOBCGwMpeo

[Voted4Reagan]

“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”

Josef Stalin

[aboutime]

I can, but you CAN NOT. My Congratulation on your “USA FREEDOM Act of 2015”, my American Free friend, enjoying your comfortable life in "Prism" program frame. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/smile3.gif

Difference is. Like many of our uneducated, liberal Americans who blame present day Americans for their treatment as SLAVES. I have no reason to FORGIVE, or APOLOGISE to you for anything either. You are your own worst Victim of being led by the brainwashed, unclean who would destroy you for attempting to come, and stay in the U.S.A.

Nothing else needs to be said to our newest member of Propaganda on Steroids from The FORMER USSR, hiding behind the new identity RUSSIA.