`Ex-Gitmo detainee who killed U.S. soldier wins bail in Canada...

[LongTermGuy]

Canadian Judge Orders Former Gitmo Detainee Released On Bail

`Omar Khadr was once Guantanamo Bay’s youngest detainee, captured in Afghanistan at the age of 15. Now 28, Khadr is still trying to overturn his military tribunal conviction.`

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`A Canadian judge on Thursday ordered the release of former Guantanamo Bay detainee Omar Khadr on bail while awaiting an appeal of his previous conviction for war crimes.
“Mr. Khadr, you are free to go,” Justice Myra Bielby told Khadr (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/omar-khadr-to-be-freed-on-bail-while-awaiting-appeal-1.3064945), who was first captured when he was 15 and is now 28, in her Edmonton courtroom on Wednesday. As part of the conditions of his release (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/omar-khadr-to-be-freed-on-bail-while-awaiting-appeal-1.3064945), Khadr will “continue seeing a psychologist and will live with his lawyer, Dennis Edney, under a curfew from 10 p.m. to 7 a.m.” He will also be unable to speak with his family via telephone unless it is in English, monitored, and via telephone or <nobr>video conference (http://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/canadian-judge-orders-former-gitmo-detainee-released-on-bail#)</nobr>.

Khadr, a Canadian citizen, was captured in Afghanistan in 2002, according to his file (https://wikileaks.org/gitmo/pdf/ca/us9ca-000766dp.pdf)at the infamous <nobr>detention center (http://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/canadian-judge-orders-former-gitmo-detainee-released-on-bail#)</nobr>. Though he was only 15 at the time he allegedly threw a grenade during a gun battle with U.S. forces, he was transported to Guantanamo as his father was allegedly “a senior Al-Qaida financier and reportedly the fourth in command underneath Usama Bin Laden in the Al-Qaida organization.”
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[fj1200]

Canadian Judge Orders Former Gitmo Detainee Released On Bail

... his previous conviction for war crimes.

Though he was only 15 at the time he allegedly threw a grenade during a gun battle with U.S. forces...

How is that a war crime?

[LongTermGuy]

How is that a war crime?

~ "Khadr, a Canadian citizen, was captured in Afghanistan in 2002, according to his file (https://wikileaks.org/gitmo/pdf/ca/us9ca-000766dp.pdf)at the infamous <nobr style="font-family: 'Proxima Nova', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 17px; line-height: 23px;">detention center (http://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/canadian-judge-orders-former-gitmo-detainee-released-on-bail#)</nobr>. Though he was only 15 at the time he allegedly threw a grenade during a gun battle with U.S. forces, he was transported to Guantanamo as his father was allegedly “a senior Al-Qaida financier and reportedly the fourth in command underneath Usama Bin Laden in the Al-Qaida organization.” ~




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[fj1200]

*Ask this guy...for more details...

I'm pretty sure that's not how a tribunal works. Are you under the impression that tossing a grenade is a war crime?

[LongTermGuy]

I'm pretty sure that's not how a tribunal works. Are you under the impression that tossing a grenade is a war crime?

*Dude... Good morning....its Saturday enjoying my coffee and checking the forum before I head out....Come to any conclusions that makes you happy and be done with it....I just posted the read...glad you enjoyed it.

[jimnyc]

I'm pretty sure that's not how a tribunal works. Are you under the impression that tossing a grenade is a war crime?

IMO, it depends. Was he part of a legitimate army? Any army at all? Murder is a war crime. If he was not a part of any legitimate army, and killed an American soldier, my argument would be that this was a war crime. If he was any type of member of Al Qaeda, and can be proven, then it's even worse, then he's a known terrorist who killed an American soldier - and if true, he should never be released.

[aboutime]

Proof that CANADA pays attention to the OBAMA THEORY of appeasement. Much like trading 5 Terrorists for One American deserter...then declaring "We never negotiate, or bargain with Terrorists!"

Double-standards, and talking out of political Ass seems to be spreading!

[fj1200]

*Dude... Good morning....its Saturday enjoying my coffee and checking the forum before I head out....Come to any conclusions that makes you happy and be done with it....I just posted the read...glad you enjoyed it.

It was just a question; don't be afraid.

[LongTermGuy]

It was just a question; don't be afraid.

Afraid of what?....

[fj1200]

IMO, it depends. Was he part of a legitimate army? Any army at all? Murder is a war crime. If he was not a part of any legitimate army, and killed an American soldier, my argument would be that this was a war crime. If he was any type of member of Al Qaeda, and can be proven, then it's even worse, then he's a known terrorist who killed an American soldier - and if true, he should never be released.

Seems the tribunal disagreed; he was sentenced to eight years. A war crime seems to be a stretch, the charges indicate that he engaged in war-like activities (link (http://www.defense.gov/news/Apr2007/Khadrreferral.pdf)). Sometimes war is just war. Let the Afghans, or Canadians, deal with him.

[fj1200]

Afraid of what?....

The question of course.

[LongTermGuy]

The question of course.

`fj ..again...here is the article quote I posted from the originator who would know all the facts about this one story...which I could care less about ...if you have a deep concern or interest about the story ...by all mean contact the man...I am sure he can give you much more information on the story than you would get from anyone here...`


~ "Khadr, a Canadian citizen, was captured in Afghanistan in 2002, according to his file (https://wikileaks.org/gitmo/pdf/ca/us9ca-000766dp.pdf)at the infamous <nobr style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Proxima Nova', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 17px; line-height: 23px;">detention center (http://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/canadian-judge-orders-former-gitmo-detainee-released-on-bail#)</nobr>. Though he was only 15 at the time he allegedly threw a grenade during a gun battle with U.S. forces, he was transported to Guantanamo as his father was allegedly “a senior Al-Qaida financier and reportedly the fourth in command underneath Usama Bin Laden in the Al-Qaida organization.” ~




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[fj1200]

`fj ..again...here is the article quote I posted from the originator who would know all the facts about this one story...which I could care less about ...if you have a deep concern or interest about the story ...by all mean contact the man...I am sure he can give you much more information on the story than you would get from anyone here...

Yeah, I read it. As indicated by me quoting it and asking a pertinent question regarding it. :)

[LongTermGuy]

Yeah, I read it. As indicated by me quoting it and asking a pertinent question regarding it. :)

Ya....I see....he can answer your "pertinent question" in great detail...carry on...

[fj1200]

Ya....I see....he can answer your "pertinent question" in great detail...carry on...

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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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Were you not told to stop playing records and go eat your chow??:laugh:--Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

:rolleyes:

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[fj1200]

Knuckleheads see a question and they run the other way. :dunno:

[LongTermGuy]

Knuckleheads see a question and they run the other way. :dunno:

`Foolish Troll who just doesn't get it trying to derail another thread...with more of the back and fourth playing games garbage (and calls it debating) .....:whistling2:

[fj1200]

`Foolish Troll who just doesn't get it trying to derail another thread...with more of the back and fourth playing games garbage (and calls it debating) .....:whistling2:

You're kind of a silly little fool aren't you? I ask a question and it's all you can do to deflect attention away from your utter inability to have a rational discussion. Post #6 is how it's done.

[LongTermGuy]

You're kind of a silly little fool aren't you? I ask a question and it's all you can do to deflect attention away from your utter inability to have a rational discussion. Post #6 is how it's done.

`.....Ahhh...here we go The deceitful hurt little man who is to stupid to think and understand...whats the matter? Lost your hairy man sac to lick on? Miss getting Bitch slapped ? Your a stupid funny whiny little "fuccker".....Heres what I can do for you since you missed me and you enjoy the abuse....*I made this for you and for all to see and digest...Instead of wasting my time with you ...`I will "Can" you...this way you can always pull it up...and jerk off... to satisfy your infatuation with me...and a few others here....


~ A fitting time saving "Canned" response for a pegged lost FOOL ~

`fj...(Fx-John)....the Thread-hopper....(Deserves an automated "canned response" from now on)...a Liberal... Full of sound and fury,...Signifying nothing...adding nothing to a thread except <nobr style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: italic;">Ignorance (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#) </nobr>and foolishness....a sensitive leftist clown waking up everyday with no memory of the day before and unable to hold a <nobr style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: italic;">decent conversation (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#)</nobr> with most who oppose his far left views...a downright creepy lost troll *whose idea of debating is nothing more than arguing back and forth endlessly day after day playing silly games...page after page...hopping from thread to thread looking to find fault...looking to argue...never complementing.........*never moving on and doing something original on his own....maybe this is fj`s idea of enjoyment...who knows...who cares... the sad thing is fj will always remain a sensitive lonely TROLL... always needing to get in the last word...and always looking for that next thread to derail that someone else posted....so it seems fj will remain to be our <nobr style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-style: italic;">special house (http://www.debatepolicy.com/#)</nobr> Troll...so be it....let it be written...`

[jimnyc]

Seems the tribunal disagreed; he was sentenced to eight years. A war crime seems to be a stretch, the charges indicate that he engaged in war-like activities (link (http://www.defense.gov/news/Apr2007/Khadrreferral.pdf)). Sometimes war is just war. Let the Afghans, or Canadians, deal with him.

I don't think a war crime is a stretch - from right in the PDF you posted:


Charge 1: Violation of 10 U.S.C. 950 v(b)(15) Murder in violation of the rule of war
Charge 2: Violation of 10 U.S.C. 950t Attempted murder in violation of the rule of war

And of course not least, also charged with supporting terrorism.

It certainly couldn't have been too much of a stretch if that was the crimes he was charged with (in addition to others). I don't think murder and attempted murder and supporting terrorism are your normal "war-like activities".

[jimnyc]

I replied when I got to the part I did, and didn't realize that the thread had already deteriorated. Sometimes when there is a bunch of back and forth, not related to the subject, maybe one person can start a thread in the cage and link to it from here, instead of allowing the thread to continue downhill? Yeah, I know I could move/merge stuff now, but don't want to make it look like any special treatment since its my thread.

[fj1200]

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`fj...(Fx-John)

Who was this John person who mentally violated you in a previous forum?


I replied when I got to the part I did, and didn't realize that the thread had already deteriorated. Sometimes when there is a bunch of back and forth, not related to the subject, maybe one person can start a thread in the cage and link to it from here, instead of allowing the thread to continue downhill? Yeah, I know I could move/merge stuff now, but don't want to make it look like any special treatment since its my thread.

Some can start threads but some can't really discuss threads and isn't that the most important part of debate policy? :dunno:

[fj1200]

I don't think a war crime is a stretch - from right in the PDF you posted:

It certainly couldn't have been too much of a stretch if that was the crimes he was charged with (in addition to others). I don't think murder and attempted murder and supporting terrorism are your normal "war-like activities".

I'm pretty sure he was guilty of what he was accused of but it seems ridiculous to engage in war and then start charging people with activities that are more akin to war than crime. I think it sets a bad precedent; if a US soldier is treated in the same manner then he's no longer a POW, he's a criminal and subject to criminal penalties which could easily be a swift death sentence over there.

[Gunny]

IMO, it depends. Was he part of a legitimate army? Any army at all? Murder is a war crime. If he was not a part of any legitimate army, and killed an American soldier, my argument would be that this was a war crime. If he was any type of member of Al Qaeda, and can be proven, then it's even worse, then he's a known terrorist who killed an American soldier - and if true, he should never be released.

They've been having the same argument since 9/1/1. So I'll ask you this: The National liberation Front (NLF) in Vietnam was considered an "army" and enemy troops. They were nothing but the first version of all these Islamist terrorists. The NLF was not a standing army of any nation. And you might recognize them by their more popular name -- Viet Cong.

So who besides a bunch of bleeding heart leftists changed anything? I don't recall anyone giving any of those VC a break. What they were doing was criminal. Preying on civilians to make the left-goobs in this country quit. And they did. For some reason, all the leftwingers think you can surgically destroy only enemy combatants. WRONG. And they get all the media coverage.

think not? Look at Ferguson and Baltimore. The leftwing media has controlled us and we let it. A proven tactic works until you don't let it.