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Trigg

04-29-2015, 05:38 AM

I saw this news story and thought it made some valid points.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/28/baltimore-is-a-democrat-problem-not-americas-problem/

Baltimore is not America’s problem or shame. That failed city is solely and completely a Democrat problem. Like many failed cities, Detroit comes to mind, and every city besieged recently by rioting, Democrats and their union pals have had carte blanche to inflict their ideas and policies on Baltimore since 1967,

Poverty has nothing to do with it. This madness and chaos and anarchy is a Democrat-driven culture that starts at the top with a racially-divisive White House heartbreakingly effective at ginning up hate and violence.
Where I currently reside here in Watauga County, North Carolina, the poverty level is 31.3%. Median income is only $34,293 (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/37/37189.html). In both of those areas we are much worse off than Baltimore, that has a poverty rate of only 23.8% and a median income of $41,385 (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/24/24510.html).
Despite all that, we don’t riot here in Watauga County. Thankfully, we have not been poisoned by the same left-wing culture that is rotting Baltimore, and so many other cities like it, from the inside out. We get along remarkably well. We are neighbors

Noir

04-29-2015, 05:57 AM

Ao the cause pf the riots is 'democrat culture'. Not the rate at which police are currently killing citizens in America?

Jeff

04-29-2015, 06:17 AM

Ao the cause pf the riots is 'democrat culture'. Not the rate at which police are currently killing citizens in America?

Noir I almost commend you and other Liberals that feel they must go out on a limb to justify why the Blacks ( or lets say thugs because not all blacks act this way ) act this way, I hear ya, y'all feel like the Great White Hopes, but let's be clear here, the Thugs doing these criminal acts would consider y'all the Great White Dope's, see Noir given a chance they would cave your skull in as soon as they would mine or any other white man, hell I will take it one step further, they would cave in the skull of any Black man or woman that didn't stand with them. Some of these folks are there for no other reason than to act like animals, truth be told if you polled them all why they are rioting ( robbing, burning and Looting ) I bet at least half couldn't tell you the particular case that is going on.

darin

04-29-2015, 06:40 AM

Ao the cause pf the riots is 'democrat culture'. Not the rate at which police are currently killing citizens in America?

Yeah. Its not the rate Citizen police are killing other citizens. The cause of the riots is this: F'ing idiots raising young idiots to become strong, enabled, entitled idiots who like destruction. Further, idiots electing idiots to govern. Holy cow. it's an epidemic in the USA and other countries - we're not nearly as bad as UK, but our current "leadership" is getting close.

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

04-29-2015, 06:47 AM

Noir I almost commend you and other Liberals that feel they must go out on a limb to justify why the Blacks ( or lets say thugs because not all blacks act this way ) act this way, I hear ya, y'all feel like the Great White Hopes, but let's be clear here, the Thugs doing these criminal acts would consider y'all the Great White Dope's, see Noir given a chance they would cave your skull in as soon as they would mine or any other white man, hell I will take it one step further, they would cave in the skull of any Black man or woman that didn't stand with them. Some of these folks are there for no other reason than to act like animals, truth be told if you polled them all why they are rioting ( robbing, burning and Looting ) I bet at least half couldn't tell you the particular case that is going on.

Right on the mark and quite insightful. Many are out of state troublemakers shipped in to do this crap. Who is paying?What we see is another one of the obama campaigns being waged against this nation. All these riots and when has he seriously came out to ask-plead for his people to stop?
Instead he will say its such and such then he'll go on to justify the behavior.He gives the go ahead and he is the highest law enforcement officer of the land!
And did not many of us say this crap would go on once he won his second term, well right on cue it has...
Also I said he'd wait until he got his second term to attack gun rights, right on cue it proved correct...
Not hard to predict what he will do, if its very bad for us, this nation it gets a go from him.. -Tyr

jimnyc

04-29-2015, 07:05 AM

Ao the cause pf the riots is 'democrat culture'. Not the rate at which police are currently killing citizens in America?

We see some bad shoots. We see even more that some claim are bad, that turn out to be damn good. Then the majority are deserved and save lives.

Fact is, there would be very little shootings if not for thuggery, terrorizing, gangs, shooting at police.... you get the idea. There is like 500x the amount being committed by criminals towards others and many folks don't even want to discuss that.

Kathianne

04-29-2015, 07:19 AM

Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

04-29-2015, 07:47 AM

I totally agree with the 'excuses' being made. However, these 'thugs' are being manipulated and I hope they are awakened to it:

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?49468-Is-a-Curfew-Constitutional&p=732710#post732710

50 years of social programs, bred leeches and dem/lib values are a huge part of this==the obama..

See below link and comments..--Tyr

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/04/28/social-media-analysis-suggests-links-between-baltimore-and-ferguson-violence/

Obama also went on to say the situation in Baltimore is indicative of “a slow rolling crisis” that’s “been going on a long time,” only coming to light because of social media campaigns and alert observers with cameras who shed light on police behaviors.
“We have to pay attention and respond to it,” he said, speaking to the “new challenges [in] how police apply” their actions to civilians.
Lastly, most of those being manipulated ARE angry, frustrated, and easily set off, most as has been seen are young, uneducated, and poor. I really don't want to see those already at the bottom, ground down further.

The use of social media to fuel violence in Baltimore has already been highlighted by law enforcement. On Monday, police said an online call was issued for a "purge" at 3 p.m. ET, starting at Mondawmin Mall and ending in the downtown area. That type of threat is based on a movie called “The Purge,” the plot of which involves rampant lawlessness.

The Washington Times also reported Monday that law enforcement intelligence officials issued a warning after someone sent a text urging people to “kill all white police officers” in reaction to Gray’s death. The text has fueled fears that the violence in Baltimore could spread nationally, according to safety memos obtained by The Washington Times.

Baltimore's mayor, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, announced a 10 p.m.-5a.m. curfew would be imposed beginning Tuesday.

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bobheron 51 minutes ago
Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake should resign ! If not , then the people living

in Baltimore should do a recall and get a Mayor that will uphold the rule of law and order .

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AmericasSon
AmericasSon 55 minutes ago
The Socialist and Communist party in this country have taken over the civil rights/protest movements. What took you kuckleheads this long to figure that out?

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jrt1098
jrt1098 1 hour ago
It would be refreshing to hear a Black leader ANYWHERE defend the cops and suggest that maybe Black criminals don't have a RIGHT to assault police or flee from police !

Maybe we need a different system ... where Blacks can only be arrested by other Blacks, at a time and place of their choosing and causes them NO discomfort whatsoever !!!

The lasting legacy of Ferguson may in fact be that FINALLY ... White people are speaking out !

Obama should have never sent Holder there ... ABSOLUTELY no reason !

HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT ... never happened and we're still paying for it in Baltimore

ONAMA and HOLDER ... you OWN this

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crightone
crightone 27 minutes ago
@jrt1098

Of course white people are speaking out...against an oppressive police state.

It's about time.

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RoseRights
RoseRights 1 hour ago
The Obamalamagod has been working on the Great Divide between blacks and whites, with the ultimate goal of pronouncing martial law when rioting and white cop killing goes national. The blacks have been used by the DEMwits for years. This is just another type of manipulation. As for cops and killing people who they arrest, or attempt to arrest, sometimes cops are wrong, and too forceful, but it is with any race, not just blacks. On the other hand, cops risk their lives every minute they are on the job, and I have the deepest respect for them. And while the treatment of Gray appears wrong, that is no excuse for rioting, or killing cops - just an excuse to use blacks as tools in the Great Divide.

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whd58
whd58 1 hour ago
Blacks should be more concerned about b on b murders than about some thug with a criminal record running from police and falling and injuring himself

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saying
saying 2 hours ago
The Most "Intelligent" has 24/7 365 privy access to all US "intelligence", spying, tracking, surveillance.

After Ferguson, there was and is No Excuse that The Governments DIDN'T HAVE A CLUE that Baltimore would erupt into full scale RIOTS so as to be prepared to Protect & Defend.

Baltimore is one of the Most Dangerous Cities in the US.

After all, the President has Privy Access to the FBI's Consolidated Nation Crime Reports, by Race, that is

refused the citizens that Pay for it ALL..

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ShameekwaTaneekwa
ShameekwaTaneekwa 2 hours ago
Facebook takes down a little black boy going on a rant about Obama but promotes riots and human trafficking. Nice.

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ThotCriminality
ThotCriminality 3 hours ago
THESE RIOTS ARE ALWAYS PLANNED AND COORDINATED.

Obama also went on to say the situation in Baltimore is indicative of “a slow rolling crisis” that’s “been going on a long time,” only coming to light because of social media campaigns and alert observers with cameras who shed light on police behaviors.
“We have to pay attention and respond to it,” he said, speaking to the “new challenges [in] how police apply” their actions to civilians.
Lastly, most of those being manipulated ARE angry, frustrated, and easily set off, most as has been seen are young, uneducated, and poor. I really don't want to see those already at the bottom, ground down further

“We have to pay attention and respond to it,” he said, speaking to the “new challenges [in] how police apply” their actions to civilians.
^^^ Yes, let us allow the obama to set new regulations, and hell just completely reorganize all the police forces. Remember that "civilian force" just as strong, well equipped as our military" he wanted earlier?

One simply must factor the entirety of this monsters agenda to see clearly the picture. Gaffer and I did and we talked about this in emails and we both predicted he'd start riots in his second term. These riots are fueled by his actions as much as they are the scum engaged in them. -Tyr

Kathianne

04-29-2015, 07:54 AM

50 years of social programs, bred leeches and dem/lib values are a huge part of this==the obama..

See below link and comments..--Tyr

^^^ Yes, let us allow the obama to set new regulations, and hell just completely reorganize all the police forces. Remember that "civilian force" just as strong, well equipped as our military" he wanted earlier?

One simply must factor the entirety of this monsters agenda to see clearly the picture. Gaffer and I did and we talked about this in emails and we both predicted he'd start riots in his second term. These riots are fueled by his actions as much as they are the scum engaged in them. -Tyr

Well said, the racial divisiveness of Obama and the politicians trying to play their part are causative parts of what we are seeing being played out.

I'm praying that good people that care about their kids and communities awaken to that. I also hope that those of us that are fortunate enough not to be caught up in these circumstances can show some restraint about how we react to the manipulations of all.

Kathianne

04-29-2015, 09:52 AM

Spot on regarding OP:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-blue-city-model-1430263661

The Blue-City Model

Baltimore shows how progressivism has failed urban America.

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You’re not supposed to say this in polite company, but what went up in flames in Baltimore Monday night was not merely a senior center, small businesses and police cars. Burning down was also the blue-city model of urban governance.

Nothing excuses the violence of rampaging students or the failure of city officials to stop it before Maryland’s Governor called in the National Guard. But as order starts to return to the streets, and the usual political suspects lament the lack of economic prospects for the young men who rioted, let’s not forget who has run Baltimore and Maryland for nearly all of the last 40 years.

The men and women in charge have been Democrats, and their governing ideas are “progressive.” This model, with its reliance on government and public unions, has dominated urban America as once-vibrant cities such as Baltimore became shells of their former selves. In 1960 Baltimore was America’s sixth largest city with 940,000 people. It has since shed nearly a third of its population and today isn’t in the top 25.

The dysfunctions of the blue-city model are many, but the main failures are three: high crime, low economic growth and failing public schools that serve primarily as jobs programs for teachers and administrators rather than places of learning.

Let’s take them in order. The first and most important responsibility of any city government is to uphold law and order. When the streets are unsafe and crime is high, everything else—e.g., getting businesses to invest and create jobs—becomes next to impossible.

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Kathianne

04-29-2015, 10:09 AM

Devestating:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417601/riot-plagued-baltimore-catastrophe-entirely-democratic-partys-own-making-kevin-d

Riot-Plagued Baltimore Is a Catastrophe Entirely of the Democratic Party’s Own Making

by KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON April 28, 2015 2:34 PM A few weeks ago, there was an election in Ferguson, Mo., the result of which was to treble the number of African Americans on that unhappy suburb’s city council. This was greeted in some corners with optimism — now, at last, the city’s black residents would have a chance to see to securing their own interests. This optimism flies in the face of evidence near — St. Louis — and far — Baltimore, Detroit, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Atlanta, Los Angeles, San Francisco . . .

St. Louis has not had a Republican mayor since the 1940s, and in its most recent elections for the board of aldermen there was no Republican in the majority of the contests; the city is overwhelmingly Democratic, effectively a single-party political monopoly from its schools to its police department. Baltimore has seen two Republicans sit in the mayor’s office since the 1920s — and none since the 1960s. Like St. Louis, it is effectively a single-party political monopoly from its schools to its police department. Philadelphia has not elected a Republican mayor since 1948. The last Republican to be elected mayor of Detroit was congratulated on his victory by President Eisenhower. Atlanta, a city so corrupt that its public schools are organized as a criminal conspiracy against its children, last had a Republican mayor in the 19th century. Its municipal elections are officially nonpartisan, but the last Republican to run in Atlanta’s 13th congressional district did not manage to secure even 30 percent of the vote; Atlanta is effectively a single-party political monopoly from its schools to its police department.

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Would any sentient adult American be shocked to learn that Baltimore has a corrupt and feckless police department enabled by a corrupt and feckless city government? I myself would not, and the local authorities’ dishonesty and stonewalling in the death of Freddie Gray is reminiscent of what we have seen in other cities. There’s a heap of evidence that the Baltimore police department is pretty bad. This did not come out of nowhere. While the progressives have been running the show in Baltimore, police commissioner Ed Norris was sent to prison on corruption charges (2004), two detectives were sentenced to 454 years in prison for dealing drugs (2005), an officer was dismissed after being videotaped verbally abusing a 14-year-old and then failing to file a report on his use of force against the same teenager (2011), an officer was been fired for sexually abusing a minor (2014), and the city paid a quarter-million-dollar settlement to a man police illegally arrested for the non-crime of recording them at work with his mobile phone. There’s a good deal more. Does that sound like a disciplined police organization to you?

Yes, Baltimore seems to have some police problems. But let us be clear about whose fecklessness and dishonesty we are talking about here: No Republican, and certainly no conservative, has left so much as a thumbprint on the public institutions of Baltimore in a generation. Baltimore’s police department is, like Detroit’s economy and Atlanta’s schools, the product of the progressive wing of the Democratic party enabled in no small part by black identity politics. This is entirely a left-wing project, and a Democratic-party project.

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Noir

04-29-2015, 12:42 PM

Yeah. Its not the rate Citizen police are killing other citizens. The cause of the riots is this: F'ing idiots raising young idiots to become strong, enabled, entitled idiots who like destruction. Further, idiots electing idiots to govern. Holy cow. it's an epidemic in the USA and other countries - we're not nearly as bad as UK, but our current "leadership" is getting close.

Not nearly as bad as the U.K. eh? I guess it's all about what you consider bad. Personally I consider the number of citizens shot by police in the U.S. to be bad, in comparison, I consider the number of citizens to be shot by U.K. police as good, I'm guessing you disagree?

tailfins

04-29-2015, 12:45 PM

Gunny

04-29-2015, 12:49 PM

We see some bad shoots. We see even more that some claim are bad, that turn out to be damn good. Then the majority are deserved and save lives.

Fact is, there would be very little shootings if not for thuggery, terrorizing, gangs, shooting at police.... you get the idea. There is like 500x the amount being committed by criminals towards others and many folks don't even want to discuss that.

What we DON'T see is the number of whites or any other minority besides black shoots, and then whites or whoever running rampant in the street with each and every one. THAT is the difference.

The media has culpability here as well. They're giving blacks a national stage to act out on.

Over 50% of Baltimore is black. The Mayor is black. The police commissioner is black. Over 50% of the police force is black.

Yet 89% of those incarcerated for crimes are black. Is that a "telling" number? Or a majority black city government targeting blacks? Their behavior Monday night pretty much says it ALL.

Abbey Marie

04-29-2015, 12:51 PM

Not nearly as bad as the U.K. eh? I guess it's all about what you consider bad. Personally I consider the number of citizens shot by police in the U.S. to be bad, in comparison, I consider the number of citizens to be shot by U.K. police as good, I'm guessing you disagree?

Having no idea what the stats are in the UK, I will only say this for thought: Are your UK crime stats as lopsided as ours? Or are your violent crimes committed by a much higher percentage of whites than by blacks? (Correspondingly, do your black citizens overwhelmingly refuse to help when a crime is investigated?)

Because that, I believe, is the black/white elephant in the room.

Abbey Marie

04-29-2015, 12:56 PM

What we DON'T see is the number of whites or any other minority besides black shoots, and then whites or whoever running rampant in the street with each and every one. THAT is the difference.

The media has culpability here as well. They're giving blacks a national stage to act out on.

Over 50% of Baltimore is black. The Mayor is black. The police commissioner is black. Over 50% of the police force is black.

Yet 89% of those incarcerated for crimes are black. Is that a "telling" number? Or a majority black city government targeting blacks? Their behavior Monday night pretty much says it ALL.

Seems we have a causation denial problem.

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Noir

04-29-2015, 12:58 PM

What is the cutoff between what you consider "good" and "bad"?

Thats a very difficult question. The number of citizens shot by the police in the UK this year is currently zero, I would consider this good.

Abbey Marie

04-29-2015, 01:15 PM

Thats a very difficult question. The number of citizens shot by the police in the UK this year is currently zero, I would consider this good.

Eh, I've always known you Brits were gads more civilized than we savage Americans. :salute:

Gunny

04-29-2015, 01:19 PM

Eh, I've always known you Brits were gads more civilized than we savage Americans. :salute:

Kind of helps that they live on an island; therefore, can control their border a LOT easier.

Drummond

04-29-2015, 01:30 PM

Thats a very difficult question. The number of citizens shot by the police in the UK this year is currently zero, I would consider this good.

... yes, well, Noir .... maybe, just maybe, American police could boast something similar, if they, too, were required to NOT carry firearms !!!

Now try asking how realistic it would be for American police to disarm, then carry out their normal policing duties !

And try imagining the reaction of criminals in the US, if they ever confronted an UNARMED police force !!

Noir, you come from my part of the world. You know it didn't help the police contain the English riots from a couple of years ago, by being unarmed (.. OK, sure, a handful of specialist Units carry firearms, but only when authorised for specific duties ..). If all our police WERE armed .. or if gun possession was made easier .. the riots would've been stopped far sooner. We both know this, Noir !!

Drummond

04-29-2015, 01:34 PM

Kind of helps that they live on an island; therefore, can control their border a LOT easier.

See my reply to Noir. Gun carrying, by police and citizens alike, is nearly nonexistent.

Gunny, how would you react if the right to bear arms, in America, was (or could ever be) summarily rescinded ? Would you be happy with that ? Do you think Americans in general would be thrilled by being denied that freedom ? Because we in the UK have NO such right to bear arms, as you take for granted.

I for one greatly envy you for having such a freedom.

Gunny

04-29-2015, 01:39 PM

See my reply to Noir. Gun carrying, by police and citizens alike, is nearly nonexistent.

Gunny, how would you react if the right to bear arms, in America, was (or could ever be) summarily rescinded ? Would you be happy with that ? Do you think Americans in general would be thrilled by being denied that freedom ? Because we in the UK have NO such right to bear arms, as you take for granted.

I for one greatly envy you for having such a freedom.

I most certainly do not take it for granted. My reaction would be simple: until they can get the guns out of the hands of outlaws, I'm going to have one. I'll take my chances in front of a jury for illegally possessing a firearm before I'll just let myself be shot down by a criminal who doesn't care about gun laws anyway.

Noir

04-29-2015, 01:49 PM

... yes, well, Noir .... maybe, just maybe, American police could boast something similar, if they, too, were required to NOT carry firearms !!! Now try asking how realistic it would be for American police to disarm, then carry out their normal policing duties ! And try imagining the reaction of criminals in the US, if they ever confronted an UNARMED police force !!

Presumably this is why day and daily we see on the news that our police are being murdered in the street because they are an UNARMED police force!!! Yes?

Noir, you come from my part of the world. You know it didn't help the police contain the English riots from a couple of years ago, by being unarmed (.. OK, sure, a handful of specialist Units carry firearms, but only when authorised for specific duties ..). If all our police WERE armed .. or if gun possession was made easier .. the riots would've been stopped far sooner. We both know this, Noir !!

I'm sure you can appreciate the amusement in the fact that the 2011 riots were caused by one of the rare instances of a citizen being shot dead by police. No?

Drummond

04-29-2015, 01:56 PM

Eh, I've always known you Brits were gads more civilized than we savage Americans. :salute:

I appreciate your thought, Abbey !! :salute:

Nonetheless ... Noir, in my view, is being disingenuous, and for the reason just posted. Our police can't shoot people, if they don't carry the guns to make it possible !

Two further points. Once upon a time, it was true that UK police NEVER carried firearms, no matter what the circumstances were. That's changed - a minority DO now carry firearms. And police shootings, though rare, DO happen.

The English rioting I referred to previously was sparked off by a police shooting ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535905/BREAKING-NEWS-Mark-Duggan-LAWFULLY-killed-police-shot-dead-marksman-did-not-gun-hand-time.html

Violence broke out today inside the court where the inquest concluded into the death of Mark Duggan who was shot by police. A growing crowd gathered briefly outside Tottenham Police Station, including his aunt, Carole, to show their anger at the decision.

They have now almost entirely dispersed outside the north London station.

Supporters of the father-of-six reacted angrily after the jury ruled that he was lawfully killed by officers who stopped his taxi in August 2011.

His death sparked several days of riots in London and across much of the rest of the UK, and police fear there could be further disorder following the verdict. After a three-month inquest, the jury decided today that Mr Duggan was unarmed when he was killed but police were right to use lethal force.

There were cries of 'murderers' from the public gallery and the dead man's brother was heard shouting 'f*** them' at the 10 jurors as they left the court after the verdict.

My other point is this: you play into the British view of firearms-carrying if you praise Noir's point. Maybe the biggest single difference between our two societies is that the view on gun ownership, and the right to own, carries a strong 'anti' feeling in the UK. Every single time some nutter or other goes on a killing spree here, the gun ownership debate is reignited, with calls being made to make our laws even TOUGHER (they're already some of the most draconian in the world).

The Left would absolutely love to rob you of the Constitutional right you have to bear arms. Here, the Left has long since dominated the viewpoints held, and here, not only do the British have NO such freedom, but they've been brainwashed into believing that it must be a bad thing.

I for one don't buy into it. We SHOULD be allowed such a freedom ....

Drummond

04-29-2015, 02:06 PM

Presumably this is why day and daily we see on the news that our police are being murdered in the street because they are an UNARMED police force!!! Yes?

... and, here we go ....

Point made already ... few British people can carry firearms. You must know this as well as I do.

Of course, that doesn't wipe out deadly attacks. If criminals don't have guns to use (and some will obtain them illegally), then knives can be used.

I'm sure you can appreciate the amusement in the fact that the 2011 riots were caused by one of the rare instances of a citizen being shot dead by police. No?

You'll have to explain that 'amusement' to me sometime, Noir.

Nonetheless .. one, that shooting was deemed lawful in our courts. And, two, rioting couldn't be stopped by an unarmed police force. How many riots broke out in English cities, shops looted, buildings burnt to the ground .... because shopkeepers DIDN'T HAVE GUNS TO FEND OFF THE RIOTERS !!

Gunny

04-29-2015, 02:23 PM

Presumably this is why day and daily we see on the news that our police are being murdered in the street because they are an UNARMED police force!!! Yes?

I'm sure you can appreciate the amusement in the fact that the 2011 riots were caused by one of the rare instances of a citizen being shot dead by police. No?

Like I said, it's a LOT easier to police the borders of an island. Weapons are funneled from Eastern Europe and China through Mexico. If we can't even stop the damned Mexicans from coming in, how are you going to stop them carrying guns and drugs? Your dreamworld doesn't work here.

There's no amusement to shootings, nor riots. You're an uneducated fool living in an over-protective society and counting on someone else to save your but from harm.

What seems to zoom right over your head is these looters and vandals are CRIMINALS. Just like the CRIMINALS (illegals) that sell them guns. They don't care about any damned laws. Simple math, see if you can keep up: If they cared about the law they wouldn't be criminals. They wouldn't be looting, burning, destroying, assaulting police with deadly weapons. It doesn't take a firearm to kill someone.

Trigg

04-29-2015, 02:31 PM

Ao the cause pf the riots is 'democrat culture'. Not the rate at which police are currently killing citizens in America?

Obama is at this moment blaming republicans for not spending enough on inner city programs. That is what this article is about. Baltimore has been democrat ran since 1967. This group which "claims" to care about minorities has been running the city for going on 50 years and at the same time democrates have had the majority in both the house, senate and presidency in those 50 years. So yes, it is disingenuous for bambam to now claim that the problem with Baltimore and other minority ran cities is republicans.

Not nearly as bad as the U.K. eh? I guess it's all about what you consider bad. Personally I consider the number of citizens shot by police in the U.S. to be bad, in comparison, I consider the number of citizens to be shot by U.K. police as good, I'm guessing you disagree?

There are close to 300 million people in this country and according to the FBI crime reports ONLY 461 people were killed by police officers in 2013, I'd say that's pretty damn good.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homici de_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2009-2013.xls

Drummond

04-29-2015, 02:43 PM

I most certainly do not take it for granted. My reaction would be simple: until they can get the guns out of the hands of outlaws, I'm going to have one. I'll take my chances in front of a jury for illegally possessing a firearm before I'll just let myself be shot down by a criminal who doesn't care about gun laws anyway.:clap::clap::clap:

I appreciate that thinking. Somehow, I suspect that Noir will not (.. subject to his correction, if I'm wrong ..).

I've posted this before. But we had a case, some years back, of someone who was driven by your kind of spirit .. a farmer who was intent on defending his farm from criminals who tried to invade it. See how that panned out (that farmer received support from Charlton Heston) ... and the insanity and injustice of the British system, compared with yours ....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/3087003.stm

Noir

04-29-2015, 02:45 PM

... and, here we go .... Point made already ... few British people can carry firearms. You must know this as well as I do. Of course, that doesn't wipe out deadly attacks. If criminals don't have guns to use (and some will obtain them illegally), then knives can be used. You'll have to explain that 'amusement' to me sometime, Noir. Nonetheless .. one, that shooting was deemed lawful in our courts. And, two, rioting couldn't be stopped by an unarmed police force. How many riots broke out in English cities, shops looted, buildings burnt to the ground .... because shopkeepers DIDN'T HAVE GUNS TO FEND OFF THE RIOTERS !!

Right, so lets go through this piece by piece.
-Police do not shot citizens as police do not carry guns (except for rare circumstances.)
- Citizens (shop keepers) do not have access to guns.
- Criminals do not have easy access to guns, as citizens do not have access to guns.

Now i would assume from your post ("because shopkeepers DIDN'T HAVE GUNS TO FEND OFF THE RIOTERS !!") that you believe the shop keepers should of had guns meaning citIzens have easy access to guns, as then would criminals, to keep up with this the police would also have to carry guns...you know what i foresee when i read that? A lot more shootings. Don't you?

Gunny

04-29-2015, 02:48 PM

Obama is at this moment blaming republicans for not spending enough on inner city programs. That is what this article is about. Baltimore has been democrat ran since 1967. This group which "claims" to care about minorities has been running the city for going on 50 years and at the same time democrates have had the majority in both the house, senate and presidency in those 50 years. So yes, it is disingenuous for bambam to now claim that the problem with Baltimore and other minority ran cities is republicans.

There are close to 300 million people in this country and according to the FBI crime reports ONLY 461 people were killed by police officers in 2013, I'd say that's pretty damn good.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_14_justifiable_homici de_by_weapon_law_enforcement_2009-2013.xls

Yeah, I watched his little soundbyte in between kissing some Japanese envoy's a$$. He started off good calling the looters thieves but just could help himself. The riots are the fault of society and the police.

I can't say I'm disappointed. I already knew he was going to come out and say something stupid.

Add to that, Hillary's speech. She needs to spend more time worrying about her legal crap and losing ground in poll after poll.

Drummond

04-29-2015, 02:56 PM

Right, so lets go through this piece by piece.
-Police do not shot citizens as police do not carry guns (except for rare circumstances.)
- Citizens (shop keepers) do not have access to guns.
- Criminals do not have easy access to guns, as citizens do not have access to guns.

Now i would assume from your post ("because shopkeepers DIDN'T HAVE GUNS TO FEND OFF THE RIOTERS !!") that you believe the shop keepers should of had guns meaning citIzens have easy access to guns, as then would criminals, to keep up with this the police would also have to carry guns...you know what i foresee when i read that? A lot more shootings. Don't you?

It really depends on the utter stupidity of the criminals, wouldn't you say ?

What you describe comes down to this: the stakes are greatly raised, across the board.

Now, a lot of the rioting was just an excuse to shoplift. To invade stores and supermarkets, to loot their contents.

What's more likely .. someone feeling empowered to steal a TV from a shopkeeper who's unarmed, or, one who might well blow your head off if you try it ?

With more guns comes greater deterrence. And if you want to counter that by saying that criminals, if armed, even up the score .. the argument still stands that it's not nearly as worth trying to loot a store, just for the sake of a couple of gadgets, if that looting can carry a summarily-executed death sentence !!

As it actually was ... shopkeepers were unarmed. Most of the police, ditto. And we saw what happened ... and for how long it persisted .....

Gunny

04-29-2015, 03:11 PM