`.....Californians to be heavily fined for long showers...

[LongTermGuy]

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"Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” Gov. Jerry Brown (D-CA) said Californians will face heavy fines for taking long showers.

Brown said, “This executive order is done under emergency power. It has the force of law. Very unusual. It’s requiring action and changes in behavior from the Oregon border all the way to the Mexican border. It affects lawns. It affects people’s — how long they stay in the shower. How businesses use water.”

Brown said to enforce his order, “Each water district that actually delivers waters — water to homes and businesses, they carry it out. We have a state water board that overseas the relationships with the districts. Hundreds of them. If they don’t comply, people can be fined $500 a day. Districts can go to court to get a cease and desist order. The enforcement mechanism is powerful. In a drought of this magnitude, you have to change that behavior and you have to change it substantially.”

Guest host host Martha Raddatz pointed out, “More water used for almond production than is used by all residents and businesses in San Francisco and Los Angeles combined.”

</tbody>

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/...-long-showers/ (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/04/05/gov-jerry-brown-californians-to-be-heavily-fined-for-long-showers/)

[Jeff]

What a wonderful place to live. :rolleyes:

[darin]

Most of that state should consider a leaving and forming a state that's not run by idiots voted in to office by fools.

[Jeff]

More good news for California residents.


Southern California's water wholesaler reportedly is planning to cut deliveries of imported water to 26 cities and districts in response to the state's ongoing drought.
According to The Los Angeles Times, the rationing measure by the Metropolitan Water District (MWD) will take effect July 1 and was in the works before California Gov. Jerry Brown mandated a 25 percent cut in water use by the state's cities and towns last week.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/07/southern-california-reportedly-faces-water-rationing-beginning-this-summer/?intcmp=latestnews

[fj1200]

Meh. What would a conservative governor do?

[LongTermGuy]

Meh. What would a conservative governor do?



`Throw out all the "regular" bad decision makers...would be a good *start...step back and analyze...think...regroup ...look for the best options ...then..... make a move...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Meh. What would a conservative governor do?

Act responsibly, something no dem/lib ever does... as they act in their own best interests and with that feel good PC bullshit they concocted to keep the damn sheep in line.
Glad to have helped ya ...-Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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"Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” Gov. Jerry Brown (D-CA) said Californians will face heavy fines for taking long showers.

Brown said, “This executive order is done under emergency power. It has the force of law. Very unusual. It’s requiring action and changes in behavior from the Oregon border all the way to the Mexican border. It affects lawns. It affects people’s — how long they stay in the shower. How businesses use water.”

Brown said to enforce his order, “Each water district that actually delivers waters — water to homes and businesses, they carry it out. We have a state water board that overseas the relationships with the districts. Hundreds of them. If they don’t comply, people can be fined $500 a day. Districts can go to court to get a cease and desist order. The enforcement mechanism is powerful. In a drought of this magnitude, you have to change that behavior and you have to change it substantially.”

Guest host host Martha Raddatz pointed out, “More water used for almond production than is used by all residents and businesses in San Francisco and Los Angeles combined.”

</tbody>

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/...-long-showers/ (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/04/05/gov-jerry-brown-californians-to-be-heavily-fined-for-long-showers/)

How are they gonna fine the blessed illegals?---;)--Tyr

[jimnyc]

Haha, Gabby must stink today since her shower was limited! :laugh2:

[fj1200]

`Throw out all the "regular" bad decision makers...would be a good *start...step back and analyze...think...regroup ...look for the best options ...then..... make a move...

And that move would be???


Act responsibly, something no dem/lib ever does... as they act in their own best interests and with that feel good PC bullshit they concocted to keep the damn sheep in line.
Glad to have helped ya ...-Tyr

That wasn't really any help at all.

[revelarts]

And so the water wars begin.

[fj1200]

And so the water wars begin.

Not so far as begun as continuing. GA, FL, and AL have been litigating over the down by the Chattahooch' for years.


Way down yonder on the Chattahoochee
It gets hotter than a hoochie coochie

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

That wasn't really any help at all.
Yep, "Act responsibly " sure never is good advice or help at all , at least not to a liberal.. :slap:-Tyr

[fj1200]

Yep, "Act responsibly " sure never is good advice or help at all , at least not to a liberal.. :slap:-Tyr

Mindless platitudes don't solve problems.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Mindless platitudes don't solve problems.

When did--"act responsibly"-- become a mindless anything?
You just presented liberal thinking at its best and tis why they act so damn irresponsibly as they TOO see no reason to act responsibly.

You act as if Kalifornification officials are not and have not to date acted irresponsibly!
They should have been building saltwater desalination plants years ago on the coast--sea water everywhere and its free!
Damn sure cheaper than experiencing what they are now and taking people's rights away.
Figures, you'd not have a damn clue about any of that.. :laugh:-Tyr

[fj1200]

When did--"act responsibly"-- become a mindless anything?
You just presented liberal thinking at its best and tis why they act so damn irresponsibly as they TOO see no reason to act responsibly.

You act as if Kalifornification officials are not and have not to date acted irresponsibly!
They should have been building saltwater desalination plants years ago on the coast--sea water everywhere and its free!
Damn sure cheaper than experiencing what they are now and taking people's rights away.
Figures, you'd not have a damn clue about any of that.. :laugh:-Tyr

Oh geez. Mindless platitudes upon mindless platitudes. At least you've stumbled upon some sort of solution though desalination is far from free.


"Ocean desal is pretty expensive still," said Ellen Hanak, senior fellow at the San Francisco-based Public Policy Institute of California and director of the Institute's Water Policy Center. "It's probably the most expensive single source that an urban agency can use, but its advantage is it can be reliable, since there's a lot of ocean water out there."
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102563014

So, do you have any thought of discussing this like adults or do you prefer sticking your fingers in your ears and bleating, "Aack, liberals"?

[tailfins]

I wonder how long it will take Bill Jefferson "BJ" Clinton to apply for the state job of shower inspector.

[Thunderknuckles]

We need to take a more serious look into Desal. plants here in California but as was pointed out, they are VERY expensive - at least when we build them! We need to consult the Israelis, and maybe even outsource, since they can build them for 1/3 the price and in half the time.

[LongTermGuy]

And that move would be???



That wasn't really any help at all.


`.....will have to look and analyse the situation first (all the facts and total situation) before making a move...or making a comment...*asking a question as yours above on a social site to people who don't even live in the state and to give a `quick answer` is silly...waste of time and not helpful either...and that is the problem with the left there...making moves without thinking.

[Drummond]

We need to take a more serious look into Desal. plants here in California but as was pointed out, they are VERY expensive - at least when we build them! We need to consult the Israelis, and maybe even outsource, since they can build them for 1/3 the price and in half the time.

... assuming Netanyahu is at all inclined to help America out with one of its problems, while America, courtesy of Obama, is busily WORSENING one almighty one which Israel is being lumbered with !!

The UK had its Great Drought of 1976, with no rainfall at all falling during that year's summer. Desalination plants were discussed then, and it seriously looked like we were going to heavily invest in them.

As it turned out, they were forgotten about. Instead, the Government of the day, after much dithering (... well, they WERE Socialists, after all !!) decided instead to appoint the newly-designated post of 'Drought Minister'.

It worked splendidly. Within days of the Minister taking up his post, we had massive rainfall.

Morals of this story ...

1] Always trust a Socialist to 'rain on your parade' ..

2] Talk is cheap. If desalination facilities are being discussed ... GET THEM BUILT. Otherwise, the decision will be put on a back-burner and conveniently forgotten.

[fj1200]

`.....will have to look and analyse the situation first (all the facts and total situation) before making a move...or making a comment...*asking a question as yours above on a social site to people who don't even live in the state and to give a `quick answer` is silly...waste of time and not helpful either...and that is the problem with the left there...making moves without thinking.

:rolleyes: Too much demand, too little supply. Stretch yourself to think. The video link even suggested an answer.

Posting pointless threads on a social site to people who have almost zero connection to any story and asked to give a 'quick answer' or comment is silly on any level then.

[LongTermGuy]

:rolleyes: Too much demand, too little supply. Stretch yourself to think. The video link even suggested an answer.

Posting pointless threads on a social site to people who have almost zero connection to any story and asked to give a 'quick answer' or comment is silly on any level then.


**Nothing to think to think about without total facts and understanding of the whole situation...making pointless reactionary demands is a waste of time....very Liberal of you..now go find someone else to argue with....or try an make an effort to post some of your own stories...(its not hard try it)...instead of jumping from thread to thread and arguing with people and then callinging it debating....now get lost....and get busy doing your thing instead of whining about other peoples posted stories...

[fj1200]

**Nothing to think to think about without total facts and understanding of the whole situation...making pointless reactionary demands is a waste of time....very Liberal of you..now go find someone else to argue with....or try an make an effort to post some of your own stories...(its not hard try it)...instead of jumping from thread to thread and arguing with people and then callinging it debating....now get lost....and get busy doing your thing instead of whining about other peoples posted stories...

Oh geez. On the one hand you're saying internet posting boards are useless because most people never have total facts and understanding of the situation and on the other hand you're demonstrating that internet posting boards are useless because you refuse to engage in any discussion where you might have to think. I think Facebook is for you.

"Liberal of you." :rolleyes: Your internet speak for sticking your fingers in your ears.

[DLT]

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"Sunday on ABC’s “This Week,” Gov. Jerry Brown (D-CA) said Californians will face heavy fines for taking long showers.

Brown said, “This executive order is done under emergency power. It has the force of law. Very unusual. It’s requiring action and changes in behavior from the Oregon border all the way to the Mexican border. It affects lawns. It affects people’s — how long they stay in the shower. How businesses use water.”

Brown said to enforce his order, “Each water district that actually delivers waters — water to homes and businesses, they carry it out. We have a state water board that overseas the relationships with the districts. Hundreds of them. If they don’t comply, people can be fined $500 a day. Districts can go to court to get a cease and desist order. The enforcement mechanism is powerful. In a drought of this magnitude, you have to change that behavior and you have to change it substantially.”

Guest host host Martha Raddatz pointed out, “More water used for almond production than is used by all residents and businesses in San Francisco and Los Angeles combined.”

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http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/...-long-showers/ (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/04/05/gov-jerry-brown-californians-to-be-heavily-fined-for-long-showers/)

Lol! A 5 minute shower is just about half of what you need now thanks to the idiot left. I really shouldn't laugh....considering the fact that these same moronic leftists are also negatively effecting OUR shower experience via gov regs re: what kind of shower head you must use (low volume) and what kind of water heater standards you now must follow (takes longer to heat, runs out of hot water before you're finished ...which works out perfectly for the idiot left....etc.).

The drought may not be the fault of these morons on the left, but their inaction for the past five decades sure as hell is. Anyone that still lives in that state deserves what they get (and yes, I have relatives there).

[LongTermGuy]

Oh geez. On the one hand you're saying internet posting boards are useless because most people never have total facts and understanding of the situation and on the other hand you're demonstrating that internet posting boards are useless because you refuse to engage in any discussion where you might have to think. I think Facebook is for you.

"Liberal of you." :rolleyes: Your internet speak for sticking your fingers in your ears.


***********:rolleyes:


`...fj...(Fx-John)....the Thread-hopper....(Deserves an automated response from now on)...a Liberal... Full of sound and fury,...Signifying nothing...adding nothing to a thread except Ignorance and foolishness....a sensitive leftist clown waking up everyday with no memory of the day before and unable to hold a decent conversation with most who oppose his far left views...a downright creepy lost troll *whose idea of debating is nothing more than arguing back and forth endlessly day after day...page after page...hopping from thread to thread looking to find fault...looking to argue...never complementing.........*never moving on and doing something original on his own....maybe this is fj`s idea of enjoyment...who knows...who cares... the sad thing is fj will always remain a sensitive TROLL... always needing to get in the last word...and always looking for that next thread to derail that someone else posted....so it seems fj will remain to be our special house Troll...so be it....let it be written...

[aboutime]

Every American should be sending SOMEONE in California a bottle of water.

If we allow the people in California to go with shorter, or no showers.

That would threaten the rest of the United States, East of California's Eastern border, and the STINK

will creep across the land, destroying crops, and the ability of other human's to breathe.

I dedicate this post to Gabby. Hoping she will keep clean, and still PAY THE FINES from her favorite Gov.

[DLT]

Haha, Gabby must stink today since her shower was limited! :laugh2:

Lol! And let's hope that her hair doesn't look this bad!

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=HN.607998263886547527&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

[Perianne]

This rule by Governor Brown is meant to punish conservatives. Everyone knows liberals don't bathe.


Hahahaha. I really crack myself up. Sooooo funny! hahahaha

[Perianne]

Meh. What would a conservative governor do?

Carly Fiorina answers your question:


Former Hewlett-Packard CEO and potential Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/carly-fiorina/) is blaming California’s water crisis on “liberal environmentalists” who are “willing to sacrifice other people’s lives and livelihoods at the altar of their ideology.”


“With different policies over the last 20 years, all of this could be avoided,” Ms. Fiorina said in an interview Monday on Glenn Beck’s radio show, The Blaze (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/the-blaze/)reported (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/04/06/carly-fiorina-on-the-calif-crisis-thats-a-classic-case-of-liberals-being-willing-to-sacrifice-other-peoples-lives-and-livelihoods/). “Despite the fact that California has suffered from droughts for millennia, liberal environmentalists have prevented the building of a single new reservoir or a single new water conveyance system over decades during a period in which California’s population has doubled.”


Ms. Fiorina (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/carly-fiorina/) said that as a result, 70 percent of California’s rainfall “washes out to sea” every year, The Blaze (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/the-blaze/) reported.



Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/6/carly-fiorina-blames-liberal-environmentalists-for/#ixzz3Wg3PoSP0
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter (http://ec.tynt.com/b/rw?id=ctd-fI3Dar4z1uacwqm_6r&u=washtimes)

[SassyLady]

I am so glad I moved out of CA. I moved to AZ a few days ago and even though we are in the desert, I can still take long showers and keep the swimming pool full.

I've mentioned this before .... a few years ago we got notification that the county wanted to put meters on private wells. I'm glad I sold when I did.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/04/06/water-authorities-to-use-new-tool-in-fight-against-water-wasters/


That was before the smart meter.

Since its installation in February, Long Beach Water Department General Manager Kevin Wattier says he saw an immediate spike by tens of thousands of gallons, each time McDonald’s overwatered their property.
“It collects the data every five minutes, then after midnight, the cellphone that’s built in here comes on, makes one call, and calls it in to the database that we and the customer, through a password security system, have online access to their consumption,” Wattier said.
“The accuracy is just incredible, because we get the data the next day.”
Using this data, Wattier knew the precise moment to send his employees to videotape the infractions to use as evidence.

[Jeff]

Look all I keep hearing is how Beautiful California is, well it must be to want to stay there and live with all the crime, illegals out the ying yang, forest fires and lets not forget the thick as pea soup smog and now y'all have to stink all summer, yup sure sounds nice. :laugh::smoke::laugh:

[jimnyc]

This rule by Governor Brown is meant to punish conservatives. Everyone knows liberals don't bathe.


Hahahaha. I really crack myself up. Sooooo funny! hahahaha

I'm liking you more and more as time goes on. It's not often people come across this place that are a little nutty in the head like myself! :lol:

[fj1200]

...fj...(Fx-John)....
:blah:

You sure do whine a lot. Are you British? You're also ignorant as ffkk; you don't even know who you're talking to.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You sure do whine a lot. Are you British? You're also ignorant as ffkk; you don't even know who you're talking to.
Take a chill pill hoss.
You've been out of sorts as of late...
One good open confession of your sins right here will fix ya right on up.
Give it a go and then go get drunk that night.
You will wake up a different man. ;)
Works every time...

Brits don't whine a lot, what they do a damn lot of is drink tea. They used to try to overtax it but we taught them the error of that way of thinking ..- :laugh:-Tyr

[fj1200]

Carly Fiorina answers your question:

Excellent, thank you. The video in the OP also had the Economist suggesting that if water were priced correctly then much of the problem would be resolved. There are plenty of things that could have been done but I'm not sure if anything can be done right now outside of proper pricing. Proper pricing would be a free market solution whereas a liberal solution likely involves ham-handed regulations.

Almond growers? :eek: They must have one hell of a lobbyist.

[tailfins]

Look all I keep hearing is how Beautiful California is, well it must be to want to stay there and live with all the crime, illegals out the ying yang, forest fires and lets not forget the thick as pea soup smog and now y'all have to stink all summer, yup sure sounds nice. :laugh::smoke::laugh:

I have worked and lived in a number of places. There are certain places that make your earnings disappear quickly. California is tops at tax the high earners, give a BIT to the poor, keep that rest (most of it). If I HAD to live in a liberal place, it would be Massachusetts. At least the voters there get angry at the "keep the rest" mentality. If they are going to levy high taxes, there had better be lavish state benefits. They consider electing a Republican a drastic measure, but use it as a viable threat to elected officials. Ex-Gov Devil Patrick as such a disaster that he was replaced by a Republican.

[fj1200]

Take a chill pill hoss.

You don't read much do you?

[Kathianne]

Excellent, thank you. The video in the OP also had the Economist suggesting that if water were priced correctly then much of the problem would be resolved. There are plenty of things that could have been done but I'm not sure if anything can be done right now outside of proper pricing. Proper pricing would be a free market solution whereas a liberal solution likely involves ham-handed regulations.

Almond growers? :eek: They must have one hell of a lobbyist.

There's a lot to be said regarding the problems that smaller agriculture growers have experienced in CA. It's a huge industry for CA, US, and feeds much of the world. For the most part, they are not located in desert, yet have borne the brunt of what limited water conservation efforts were enforced.

It does take a huge amount of water for almonds, avocados and other crops. Then again, they feed people the world over. Not so much ornamental yards, swimming pools, golf courses, etc.

http://www.city-journal.org/2015/cjc0402vdh.html


VICTOR DAVIS HANSONAn Engineered Drought
Shortsighted coastal elites bear most of the blame for California’s water woes.
April 2, 2015

...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You don't read much do you?

An avid reader when I have the time, speed reader too.
I once read at least 5 books a week for decades, simply haven't the time now.. Have read over 95% of the books I collected in 45 years of collecting--thousands .
Just trying to cheer ya up.
Lighten up Francis, the dance hasn't even really started yet--just you wait until late 2016! ;)-Tyr

[Kathianne]

Hanson has been in agriculture from family business. Interesting a classical scholar/farmer:

http://www.city-journal.org/2011/21_3_california-water.html

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/07/opinion/la-oe-hanson-california-water-wars-ce20110807

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/370425/californias-two-droughts-victor-davis-hanson

[fj1200]

An avid reader when I have the time, speed reader too.

My apologies, I should have clarified. You only read what reinforces your preconceived notions. And then your imagination fills in the rest.

[fj1200]

There's a lot to be said regarding the problems that smaller agriculture growers have experienced in CA. It's a huge industry for CA, US, and feeds much of the world. For the most part, they are not located in desert, yet have borne the brunt of what limited water conservation efforts were enforced.

It does take a huge amount of water for almonds, avocados and other crops. Then again, they feed people the world over. Not so much ornamental yards, swimming pools, golf courses, etc.

Awesome, thank you. I think the pricing aspect solves some of those issues as well. A proper price for water will ensure that Californians, and their farm products that go outside of the state, bear the costs of the water use and water use projects. We may have to pay more for almonds, etc. but it properly allocates a scarce resource and encourages innovation and efficiency.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

My apologies, I should have clarified. You only read what reinforces your preconceived notions. And then your imagination fills in the rest.

Straight from the horses mouth .. project much amigo????-Tyr

[Kathianne]

On topic:

http://www.science20.com/science_20/california_government_is_the_big_water_management_ problem-154625


California Government Is The Big Water Management ProblemBy Hank Campbell (http://www.science20.com/profile/hank_campbell) | April 7th 2015 11:09 AM |


It is raining in California as I write this but most of it will do little good (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/rain-snow-head-california-drought-30131556). The rain is going to go to a gutter and the gutter will go to a stream and that will go to an ocean.

Yes, much of the fresh water that California has runs into the Pacific Ocean. You might wonder why the Pacific Ocean needs so much, since 96 percent of Earth's water is already in oceans, but the oceans are not asking for it. Instead, it is due to anti-science policies lobbied for by well-heeled California environmentalists.

Environmental regulations mandate that water that would sustain 4.4 million families gets flushed this way (http://www.wsj.com/articles/californias-green-drought-1428271308), regardless of drought conditions (however, farmers do get penalized during a drought, the environment must come before food). Meanwhile, Governor Jerry Brown just now got around to mandating water conservation among his wealthiest and most loyal voters. It had to be mandated because the wealthy are not conserving anything (http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-83222290/) the way the more agricultural sections of California have been doing for two years.

It's not a surprise that Governor Brown and California government love fines and penalties and heavy-handed tactics, in a 'if your only tool is a hammer, every problem is a nail' kind of way, but if we cared about the actual problem - having enough water in good times and bad - the situation would be easy to resolve. For example, enough water to sustain 2.6 million California families was dumped into the ocean because there isn't enough storage capacity in the north of the state and environmental rules limit the amount of water that can be pumped to reservoirs in the south.

Why not allow more water to be stored in the south or build more reservoirs in the north instead of dumping fresh water into the ocean? Californians know water is important, we have agreed to water bonds totaling $22 billion in recent years, but the money has ended up going to environmental projects rather than things that help the people paying interest on those bonds.

Most of California is actually desert, the green parts are all watered to be that way, and we know droughts will happen - this is the fourth one in 50 years - so it would make sense to store more water, a literal anti-rainy day plan. But environmentalists block all efforts to create more reservoirs even though we know this sort of thing has always happened and will continue to happen. California water goes up and down like a yo-yo:



...

[fj1200]

Straight from the horses mouth .. project much amigo????-Tyr

:rolleyes: Anything to say about the subject?

[Kathianne]

May I suggest people that if you want to flame others, take it to appropriate forum. Otherwise we're going to find more thread splitting to those forums.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

:rolleyes: Anything to say about the subject?

Ocean water is free. However the desalination plant costs billions(plus cost of delivery systems). This drought could last another decade so why not get to building? As to costs, tax the agricultural products that will gain the most from the water from those desalination plants.
A tax with a true purpose and one that would actually accomplish something..
Will they do that or just dither?
With time and costs as huge factors-they'd better act quick to limit the amount of damage IMHO.-TYR

[Kathianne]

Ocean water is free. However the desalination plant costs billions(plus cost of delivery systems). This drought could last another decade so why not get to building? As to costs, tax the agricultural products that will gain the most from the water from those desalination plants.
A tax with a true purpose and one that would actually accomplish something..
Will they do that or just dither?
With time and costs as huge factors-they'd better act quick to limit the amount of damage IMHO.-TYR

Why focus only on agriculture for tax purposes? Are you advocating for desalination plants exclusively for the use of agriculture?

[fj1200]

Ocean water is free. However the desalination plant costs billions(plus cost of delivery systems). This drought could last another decade so why not get to building? As to costs, tax the agricultural products that will gain the most from the water from those desalination plants.
A tax with a true purpose and one that would actually accomplish something..
Will they do that or just dither?
With time and costs as huge factors-they'd better act quick to limit the amount of damage IMHO.-TYR

I highly doubt that they would use desalinated water to water crops, besides they shouldn't need a tax to pay for something that should be decided by the market and paid for by end users. Any big government program that they enact is unlikely to be the best option as they don't have a market mechanism to guide their decisions.

[Kathianne]

I highly doubt that they would use desalinated water to water crops, besides they shouldn't need a tax to pay for something that should be decided by the market and paid for by end users. Any big government program that they enact is unlikely to be the best option as they don't have a market mechanism to guide their decisions.

I'd agree with this, with the exception that there seems to be a conflict between the over-populated desert areas being favored over agriculture. There would be reasons to not only price water correctly but a luxury-type punishment tax for housing.

[Jeff]

:popcorn:

[tailfins]

I'd agree with this, with the exception that there seems to be a conflict between the over-populated desert areas being favored over agriculture. There would be reasons to not only price water correctly but a luxury-type punishment tax for housing.

Does agricultural water have to be potable? Can minimally treated wastewater be used for agriculture?

[fj1200]

Does agricultural water have to be potable? Can minimally treated wastewater be used for agriculture?

I know some golf courses use minimally treated wastewater so I would assume agriculture would be OK too.

[fj1200]

I'd agree with this, with the exception that there seems to be a conflict between the over-populated desert areas being favored over agriculture. There would be reasons to not only price water correctly but a luxury-type punishment tax for housing.

Are you suggesting housing pay higher rates for water than agriculture? Or that users pay more as they use more? Neither of those would be the worst things in the world IMO.

[namvet]

Ocean water is free. However the desalination plant costs billions(plus cost of delivery systems). This drought could last another decade so why not get to building? As to costs, tax the agricultural products that will gain the most from the water from those desalination plants.
A tax with a true purpose and one that would actually accomplish something..
Will they do that or just dither?
With time and costs as huge factors-they'd better act quick to limit the amount of damage IMHO.-TYR

oh god TYR don't say Billions to democraps or we'll get it right up our taxpayers ass

[namvet]

http://images.gizmag.com/hero/ocean-freashwater-aquifiers.jpg

and not a drop to drink

[Kathianne]

Does agricultural water have to be potable? Can minimally treated wastewater be used for agriculture?


I know some golf courses use minimally treated wastewater so I would assume agriculture would be OK too.


Are you suggesting housing pay higher rates for water than agriculture? Or that users pay more as they use more? Neither of those would be the worst things in the world IMO.

Good questions about potability. I don't know.

Everywhere I've lived, usage counts. Can't see reasons for differing rates.

[Gunny]

What a wonderful place to live. :rolleyes:

Texas is just as bad. Try deporting all the illegal aliens and just maybe the water resources will be enough for legal residents.

[aboutime]

http://images.gizmag.com/hero/ocean-freashwater-aquifiers.jpg

and not a drop to drink



namvet. ACTUALLY....there really is More than a DROP to drink if...Califunnia's Gobner would take all of the Cartel Drug money delivered across the Border in San Diego, and use it for DESALINIZATION PLANTS, (NOT MENTIONED BY BROWN) that convert SALT WATER into Potable (salt free) water for the Population.

The WATER PROBLEMS FOR ALL OF THE WESTERN BORDER STATES WOULD BE OVER.

Here's a link to view: http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_25859513/nations-largest-ocean-desalination-plant-goes-up-near

[namvet]

namvet. ACTUALLY....there really is More than a DROP to drink if...Califunnia's Gobner would take all of the Cartel Drug money delivered across the Border in San Diego, and use it for DESALINIZATION PLANTS, (NOT MENTIONED BY BROWN) that convert SALT WATER into Potable (salt free) water for the Population.

The WATER PROBLEMS FOR ALL OF THE WESTERN BORDER STATES WOULD BE OVER.

Here's a link to view: http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_25859513/nations-largest-ocean-desalination-plant-goes-up-near

so they are building one. with more on the way

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Folks, water used in agriculture can not be salt water as the salt accumulation will destroy the soil for crops.
As to paying, I did not say tax only agriculture but agriculture may be the primary user should the drought continue and get far worse!
If taxing to pay , then figure out the users and tax accordingly.
The problem is action should be taken sooner rather than later.
As to Kalifornification, I personally do not give a damn except for the crops, a necessary commodity.TZ

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

oh god TYR don't say Billions to democraps or we'll get it right up our taxpayers ass

Amigo, I know, it hurt me to even type it! :laugh:
Great point but in this case those plants really need to be built--and that costs lots of mulla..
The obama stash hasn't got that much.-;) ---Tyr

[darin]

FJ - I respect you as much as anyone I've "met" online. But here's the rub in this whole situation:

Millions of idiots elected a fool to "lead" them. That "leadership" is directly or at least partly responsible for their current situation. It's more complex than 'no rain'. It's tied to LOTS of liberal policies - not the least of which is their "open borders" bullshit. Their "climate change" shit. Their "tax and spend" shit.

Maybe a reasonable person - maybe yourself? Would have seen this coming and stored enough resources to mitigate the problem. Maybe stop blowing billions? on "rights" for illegals enough to BUY water from other places? I dunno. I'm spitballing here. Maybe avoid state resources wasted on attacking freedoms of citizens? Work with me here....

So - California finds itself in the position it's in. The fool in charge plays the victim and reaches for MORE control of the citizens' wealth and activities. Instead of taking an ounce of blame; or acting with humility, that bastard seems to be DROOLING at the chance this situation (which he portends was 'forced upon him) to further-control the citizens. That's what bothers me to no-end. I dunno what to do. The reactionary part of me thinks "Civil fucking war" to reclaim BASIC rights of the citizens. Another part of me says "Allow polygamy - bring in Mormons to have dozens of kids per household in the attempt to take the reigns of government (through a voting base increase).

This is the country - and the states today.

Decades, hundred? years ago Government was "Service TO the people. Now it's Service FROM the people"

[namvet]

Texas is just as bad. Try deporting all the illegal aliens and just maybe the water resources will be enough for legal residents.

depends on which way Obozo air runs

http://i61.tinypic.com/nznk1c.jpg

[fj1200]

FJ - I respect you as much as anyone I've "met" online. But here's the rub in this whole situation:

Millions of idiots elected a fool to "lead" them. That "leadership" is directly or at least partly responsible for their current situation. It's more complex than 'no rain'. It's tied to LOTS of liberal policies - not the least of which is their "open borders" bullshit. Their "climate change" shit. Their "tax and spend" shit.

Maybe a reasonable person - maybe yourself? Would have seen this coming and stored enough resources to mitigate the problem. Maybe stop blowing billions? on "rights" for illegals enough to BUY water from other places? I dunno. I'm spitballing here. Maybe avoid state resources wasted on attacking freedoms of citizens? Work with me here....

So - California finds itself in the position it's in. The fool in charge plays the victim and reaches for MORE control of the citizens' wealth and activities. Instead of taking an ounce of blame; or acting with humility, that bastard seems to be DROOLING at the chance this situation (which he portends was 'forced upon him) to further-control the citizens. That's what bothers me to no-end. I dunno what to do. The reactionary part of me thinks "Civil fucking war" to reclaim BASIC rights of the citizens. Another part of me says "Allow polygamy - bring in Mormons to have dozens of kids per household in the attempt to take the reigns of government (through a voting base increase).

This is the country - and the states today.

Decades, hundred? years ago Government was "Service TO the people. Now it's Service FROM the people"

We can all agree that all them libs are bad mmkay but I asked what could be done and not how much they suck; We have plenty of threads here that merely whine about how much they suck. Even all the Republicans down in San Diego didn't start building a desal plant until last year so I don't really expect almost anyone in government to really have much foresight in solving problems that have yet to present themselves. Now, trust me, I'm all for Californians to reap what they've sown because that's the only real way that they might see the error of their ways. So the heart of my question is what would a Republican governor do. Whine about how the libs screwed it all up over the course of decades or present an effective solution that shows conservatism to be a better solution?

[SassyLady]

We can all agree that all them libs are bad mmkay but I asked what could be done and not how much they suck; We have plenty of threads here that merely whine about how much they suck. Even all the Republicans down in San Diego didn't start building a desal plant until last year so I don't really expect almost anyone in government to really have much foresight in solving problems that have yet to present themselves. Now, trust me, I'm all for Californians to reap what they've sown because that's the only real way that they might see the error of their ways. So the heart of my question is what would a Republican governor do. Whine about how the libs screwed it all up over the course of decades or present an effective solution that shows conservatism to be a better solution?


At this time, a Republican governor will not be able to get anything done because Democrats are in power, have been for a long time and probably continue for a long time. Enacting these water conservation laws (putting meters on wells) are not temporary. Things will not go back to "before" the drought when the drought is over. Once the system is in motion, it will continue.

I know everyone says that UN Agenda 21 is not designed to control the masses, but it has a good foothold in CA. Never thought I would fear the words "sustainable development". However, I lived in the middle of it and can tell you it's scary how much government controls things now, and how the long term plan is to take control of our land and rights.



SOUNDS LIKE SCIENCE FICTION...OR SOME CONSPIRACY THEORY...BUT IT ISN'T.


UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is the action plan implemented worldwide to inventory and control all land, all water, all minerals, all plants, all animals, all construction, all means of production, all energy, all education, all information, and all human beings in the world. INVENTORY AND CONTROL.----Rosa Koire

- See more at: http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/#sthash.OlLqqFIC.dpuf

[SassyLady]

Oh, and in case you don't think it's just in CA ....



COMMON CORE IS UN AGENDA 21


Common Core is an integral part of UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development: globalization is the standardization of systems. Whether the system is law enforcement or land use or government, the standardization, harmonization, and integration of all international methods of management is essential for total control.
Education is the flash point for embedding system acceptance in all sectors of the population. Standardized propaganda is developed for pre-kindergarten to post graduate school; this is what is meant by 'Life Long Learning.'

Breaking down traditional methods of learning in order to re-socialize the populace is the goal. Obedient, dependent people who are constantly being propagandized will provide the 'human capital' to fully implement UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development.

Regardless of the content of this nationalized and internationalized system of behavioral modification, the goal and outcome will be to fundamentally destroy the individual's rights.

This is commonly referred to as 'Transformation' or 'Change'.- See more at: http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/common-core-is-agenda-21.html#sthash.NG1nI687.dpuf

[Kathianne]

Are you suggesting housing pay higher rates for water than agriculture? Or that users pay more as they use more? Neither of those would be the worst things in the world IMO.

I also think that something has to be done to discourage more growth in the desert-it's just not feasible to keep going at the rate LA and other areas have been growing since 1950.

[fj1200]

I also think that something has to be done to discourage more growth in the desert-it's just not feasible to keep going at the rate LA and other areas have been growing since 1950.

Careful, almost sounds like sustainable development there. :poke: Cheap water is but one way that development is encouraged; highways, etc. can do the same thing. But I understand your comment now that housing in general isn't really paying the true cost of services. I think that's true in many places it's just most obvious in California right now.

[Noir]

Citizens told to cut down on showers, and other 'extravagant' water use, meanwhile how many gallons are used to produce a pound of beef?...

[tailfins]

Citizens told to cut down on showers, and other 'extravagant' water use, meanwhile how many gallons are used to produce a pound of beef?...

It's not necessary to produce beef in California. They have these ingenious devices called tractor trailers to bring it in from another state.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Citizens told to cut down on showers, and other 'extravagant' water use, meanwhile how many gallons are used to produce a pound of beef?...

We should be asking are showers more important than green golf courses?
Have ya ever had to sit next to an Arab/muslim on a long international flight?
If you ever have--you know the answer quite well!!!!
And lib/dems cry how these are the geniuses that gave us advanced math, great inventions, advanced engineering, advanced medical care etc.. All of which are lies.


And why with earth being over 2 thirds water are we , a very advanced nation suffering from this drought to this degree?
Answer is, its Kalifornification and who has been running the damn joint for decades and decades..
FFing libs and dems... always ffk things up and then get by with blaming the Republicans .
Here is a hint for those dumbasses, charge car washes, golf courses and other non-essential services but please let the stinking people(dems/liberals/ illegals) shower!!! -Tyr

[Noir]

It's not necessary to produce beef in California. They have these ingenious devices called tractor trailers to bring it in from another state.

Beef is California's 5th largest agricultural industry, and its income ranks as 4th Highest over all states on Beef sales (only Texas, Nebraska and Kanas have higher sales, and when combined with 5th place Oklahoma these 5 states reap 50% of the Nations total sales...)

Some sources for stats -

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-02-10/california-ranchers-miss-beef-rally-as-drought-cuts-herds

http://www.beefusa.org/beefindustrystatistics.aspx

----

Anyways, as to my actual question, which was ignored...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Beef is California's 5th largest agricultural industry, and its income ranks as 4th Highest over all states on Beef sales (only Texas, Nebraska and Kanas have higher sales, and when combined with 5th place Oklahoma these 5 states reap 50% of the Nations total sales...)

Some sources for stats -

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-02-10/california-ranchers-miss-beef-rally-as-drought-cuts-herds

http://www.beefusa.org/beefindustrystatistics.aspx

----

Anyways, as to my actual question, which was ignored...



Anyways, as to my actual question, which was ignored...

Your question was two parts.


Citizens told to cut down on showers, and other 'extravagant' water use



I answered the first half, which you then ignored...
Care to address my comment?
Beef, we can get elsewhere, but being forced into the company of massive groups of stinking, non-showering people is an entirely different matter IMHO. --Tyr

[Noir]

We should be asking are showers more important than green golf courses? Have ya ever had to sit next to an Arab/muslim on a long international flight? If you ever have--you know the answer quite well!!!!
Wouldn't be a DP thread without some needless insults tossed towards arabs/muslims amiright?


And lib/dems cry how these are the geniuses that gave us advanced math, great inventions, advanced engineering, advanced medical care etc.. All of which are lies. And why with earth being over 2 thirds water are we , a very advanced nation suffering from this drought to this degree? Answer is, its Kalifornification and who has been running the damn joint for decades and decades.. FFing libs and dems... always ffk things up and then get by with blaming the Republicans .

Its not just Kalifornification, its Texifornification too, and who's been running that Texas joint for decades and decades...FFing libs and dems...always ffk things up and then [wait, is that right?] Maybe, just maybe, drought isn't a determination of which political party is in office.


Here is a hint for those dumbasses, charge car washes, golf courses and other non-essential services but please let the stinking people(dems/liberals/ illegals) shower!!! -Tyr

As in, impose an additional charge on certain businesses that use water, the funds of which are used to ensure citizens have better access to water? How very progressive of you.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Wouldn't be a DP thread without some needless insults tossed towards arabs/muslims amiright?

Used an example to make a point, sue me..(no insult made to any member here).. -Tyr




Its not just Kalifornification, its Texifornification too, and who's been running that Texas joint for decades and decades...FFing libs and dems...always ffk things up and then [wait, is that right?] Maybe, just maybe, drought isn't a determination of which political party is in office.

This thread is about Cali, Start a TEXAS DROUGHT THREAD IF YOU LIKE.. -Tyr




As in, impose an additional charge on certain businesses that use water, the funds of which are used to ensure citizens have better access to water? How very progressive of you.

A possible solution on how to fund the very costly needed desalination plants. Whether progressive or not does not matter to me . The problem needs a quick response. -Tyr



You commented, I replied, thats how it works.. --Tyr

[tailfins]

Beef is California's 5th largest agricultural industry, and its income ranks as 4th Highest over all states on Beef sales (only Texas, Nebraska and Kanas have higher sales, and when combined with 5th place Oklahoma these 5 states reap 50% of the Nations total sales...)

Some sources for stats -

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-02-10/california-ranchers-miss-beef-rally-as-drought-cuts-herds

http://www.beefusa.org/beefindustrystatistics.aspx

----

Anyways, as to my actual question, which was ignored...

While it might be a useful idea to discourage beef production in California, the Mexican meat cutters would howl like wolves. Their legal relatives might refuse to get on the DNC bus next time it goes to the polls to vote.

[Gunny]

so they are building one. with more on the way

San Antonio's mayor decided the Alamodome where no pro team plays was more important.

[aboutime]

Citizens told to cut down on showers, and other 'extravagant' water use, meanwhile how many gallons are used to produce a pound of beef?...


Noir Unfortunately for you. I have been to France several times. And I learned "FIRST HAND", how unpopular the use of water for showers is, and can be there. Not even the sale of deodorant, nor the use of it, can remove that Unmistakable ODOR of unsanitary abuse of Cleanliness there.

So SHOWER, and WATER use must be considered EXTRAVAGANT there too!

[Noir]

Used an example to make a point, sue me..(no insult made to any member here).

I guess it would have been too taxing to of been able to make a point without being insulting, and hey if you make an insult and the victim isn't there too read it then it's not really an insult, right?


This thread is about Cali, Start a TEXAS DROUGHT THREAD IF YOU LIKE..

Yeah, needless 'point making' insults are welcome in this thread, but contextual and related counter points to your own post can go get their own damn thread, makes sense.


A possible solution on how to fund the very costly needed desalination plants. Whether progressive or not does not matter to me . The problem needs a quick response.

I suggest you email your proposed drought tax to the appropriate state representatives immediately.

[Gunny]

I guess it would have been too taxing to of been able to make a point without being insulting, and hey if you make an insult and the victim isn't there too read it then it's not really an insult, right?


Yeah, needless 'point making' insults are welcome in this thread, but contextual and related counter points to your own post can go get their own damn thread, makes sense.


I suggest you email your proposed drought tax to the appropriate state representatives immediately.


You said exactly nothing. Hope you didn't hurt any fingers typing that blather.

[Noir]

While it might be a useful idea to discourage beef production in California, the Mexican meat cutters would howl like wolves. Their legal relatives might refuse to get on the DNC bus next time it goes to the polls to vote.

Nice to see you dropped the 'It's not necessary to produce beef in California. They have these ingenious devices called tractor trailers...' When presented with actual numbers (:

and hey, sounds like a win-win for y'all then, right?

[tailfins]

Nice to see you dropped the 'It's not necessary to produce beef in California. They have these ingenious devices called tractor trailers...' When presented with actual numbers (:

and hey, sounds like a win-win for y'all then, right?


That's the nice thing about a free market. Resources get allocated efficiently.

[Noir]

That's the nice thing about a free market. Resources get allocated efficiently.

Yep, hopefully before the riots, and inevitable deaths, but the free market itself has no such concerns.

[Gunny]

Yep, hopefully before the riots, and inevitable deaths, but the free market itself has no such concerns.

Water is a natural resource the government should not be allowed to control. At the same time, idiots shouldn't was valuable resources. Those of us who are not idiots, don't appreciate stupid laws that fall to the lowest common denominator.

Having said that, you Europeans stink and need to bathe more.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You commented, I replied, thats how it works.. --Tyr
Thread topic is lack of water= drought thus = water is to be discussed.
I did and made mentioned of a side effect of those people that do not bathe enough(Arabs).

You took exception(with no just foundation) to my truthful comment about stinking Arabs, to then attempt to ridicule me and point out my being rude to a group of people that stink. Thus feel satisfied that you defend those reprobates.
You did not point out where I was in error , nor where I was rude to a member here so stuff it pedro..
Have you ever had to sit next to a person on a plane for 14 long hours that smelled like death warmed over?
If not, then your opinion(feigned offense) on it means squat. Your feigned great offense taken means less than squat and next time don't try to ride a high horse over me .. that is unless you have justification to saddle up.. Got that?

My point made was about how necessary bathing is. How much stinking offends others and how some people don't give a damn because only they and their cult(Islam) matter in the world.
You were just too dense to catch any of it and went off on a PC tangent.. --Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

Thread topic is lack of water= drought thus = water is to be discussed.
I did and made mentioned of a side effect of those people that do not bathe enough(Arabs).

You took exception(with no just foundation) to my truthful comment about stinking Arabs, to then attempt to ridicule me and point out my being rude to a group of people that stink. Thus feel satisfied that you defend those reprobates.
You did not point out where I was in error , nor where I was rude to a member here so stuff it pedro..
Have you ever had to sit next to a person on a plane for 14 long hours that smelled like death warmed over?
If not, then your opinion(feigned offense) on it means squat. Your feigned great offense taken means less than squat and next time don't try to ride a high horse over me .. that is unless you have justification to saddle up.. Got that?

My point made was about how necessary bathing is. How much stinking offends others and how some people don't give a damn because only they and their cult(Islam) matter in the world.
You were just too dense to catch any of it and went off on a PC tangent.. --Tyr


....."Ann Coulter" `Says` Muslim terrorists 'Smell Bad`......:thumb:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

....."Ann Coulter" `Says` Muslim terrorists 'Smell Bad`......:thumb:
I suspect that some of them could blow themselves up just using the natural gas (bad odor) they have contained on/in their person("look ma-no military explosives , and I can still blow myself up)-:laugh:--Tyr

[red state]

Every American should be sending SOMEONE in California a bottle of water.

If we allow the people in California to go with shorter, or no showers.

That would threaten the rest of the United States, East of California's Eastern border, and the STINK

will creep across the land, destroying crops, and the ability of other human's to breathe.

I dedicate this post to Gabby. Hoping she will keep clean, and still PAY THE FINES from her favorite Gov.


HOW TRUE! We may as well send water......we're certainly sending tax money to that State. They continued to live irresponsibly, welcome millions of illegal border invaders and expect us to bail them out!!! That is part of the liberal insanity....continue to do wrong and somehow expect a RIGHT.

[LongTermGuy]

HOW TRUE! We may as well send water......we're certainly sending tax money to that State. They continued to live irresponsibly, welcome millions of illegal border invaders and expect us to bail them out!!! That is part of the liberal insanity....continue to do wrong and somehow expect a RIGHT.
:clap::clap::clap::cool:

[fj1200]

Water is a natural resource the government should not be allowed to control.

Who would control it?

[Abbey Marie]

If Californians traded Botox for water, they'd have plenty of water for long showers.

[sundaydriver]

Who would control it?

Well apparently the government can own the rain even if it falls on your house. :eek:


http://yournewswire.com/man-gets-prison-sentence-for-collecting-rainwater-on-his-own-property/

[fj1200]

Well apparently the government can own the rain even if it falls on your house. :eek:

They do have interesting water laws out west. We had another thread where in a western state, Utah maybe, rain barrels were illegal because the water rights were owned by the water authority. They subsequently changed the law to allow rain barrels.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Quote Originally Posted by sundaydriver View Post
Well apparently the government can own the rain even if it falls on your house.


They do have interesting water laws out west. We had another thread where in a western state, Utah maybe, rain barrels were illegal because the water rights were owned by the water authority. They subsequently changed the law to allow rain barrels.

Actually that was just another case of tyrannical government beating on the little guy..
No government owns the rain that falls, that ffing bullshit.
Any government doing that needs to be ousted by any means necessary.
That guy must have won in court. Yet if pushed too far he should have shot it out with the would be dictators.
America has went too damn far left, methinks a lot of those asshats need to be stopped, by whatever means it takes..-Tyr

[fj1200]

Actually that was just another case of tyrannical government beating on the little guy..
No government owns the rain that falls, that ffing bullshit.
Any government doing that needs to be ousted by any means necessary.
That guy must have won in court. Yet if pushed too far he should have shot it out with the would be dictators.
America has went too damn far left, methinks a lot of those asshats need to be stopped, by whatever means it takes..-Tyr

Uh, not exactly.


Historical and Constitutional FrameworkBefore 1909, Oregon had a dual water rights system, recognizing both riparian and appropriative rights. Gradually, the state moved towards preference of prior appropriation rights. This sequential shift in adherence to different water rights systems is sometimes called the “Oregon Doctrine,” to differentiate it from other western states that have never recognized riparian rights (Colorado), or continue to recognize riparian rights today (California). This means that riparian rights will only be valid if the owner put the water to beneficial use before passage of the 1909 water code. All water rights obtained subsequent to the 1909 code are subject to the “first in time, first in right” mantra of prior appropriation.
http://rlch.org/content/oregon-water-law

Unless of course you think the leftists took control 100+ years ago.

[Perianne]

Uh, not exactly.


http://rlch.org/content/oregon-water-law

Unless of course you think the leftists took control 100+ years ago.

Leftists have always been and always will be, until the end of the Earth.

[Jeff]

They do have interesting water laws out west. We had another thread where in a western state, Utah maybe, rain barrels were illegal because the water rights were owned by the water authority. They subsequently changed the law to allow rain barrels.

Interesting Hell, that is just plain crazy.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Interesting Hell, that is just plain crazy.

No human, no government, no religion, no group owns the damn rain!
Thats insanity on parade and I don't give a damn what entity passed what ffing law!
Son of bitches should be shot IMHO.. WHATS NEXT?
They own your kids? Well yes, we see that going on as well.
I reject such insanity and all those for it and pushing it can kiss my ass!
Just know THIS, on my principles I don't ever play...
I'll collect as ffing much rainwater as I want and would beat the hell out of anybody trying to stop me....
Just more liberal dumbass insanity on parade.
Is there any question why I so dearly hate the stupid, tyrannical bastards?--Tyr

[fj1200]

Leftists have always been and always will be, until the end of the Earth.

It's a matter of the evolution of water laws out west and the leftists weren't really in control out there back then AFAIK.


Interesting Hell, that is just plain crazy.

Meh. It is what it is.


No human, no government, no religion, no group owns the damn rain!
Thats insanity on parade and I don't give a damn what entity passed what ffing law!
Son of bitches should be shot IMHO.. WHATS NEXT?
They own your kids? Well yes, we see that going on as well.
I reject such insanity and all those for it and pushing it can kiss my ass!
Just know THIS, on my principles I don't ever play...
I'll collect as ffing much rainwater as I want and would beat the hell out of anybody trying to stop me....
Just more liberal dumbass insanity on parade.
Is there any question why I so dearly hate the stupid, tyrannical bastards?--Tyr

:rolleyes:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It's a matter of the evolution of water laws out west and the leftists weren't really in control out there back then AFAIK.



Meh. It is what it is.



:rolleyes:




the leftists weren't really in control out there back then AFAIK

^^ Obviously they were!--Tyr

[fj1200]

^^ Obviously they were!--Tyr

Facts not in evidence. Dismissed.

:gavel:


Or you could help me out and identify the "leftieism" involved here.


Prior appropriation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_law_in_the_United_States#Prior_appropriation )Most western states, naturally drier, generally follow the prior appropriation doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prior_appropriation_water_rights), which gives a water right to whoever first puts water to beneficial use (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beneficial_use). Colorado, where the prior appropriation doctrine first developed, was generally looked to as the model by other Western states that adopted the prior appropriation doctrine. Water law in the western United States is defined by state constitutions (e.g., Colorado (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado), New Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico)) statutes, and case law. Each state exhibits variations upon the basic principles of the prior appropriation doctrine. Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas) and the states directly north of it; the West Coast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Coast_of_the_United_States) states, and Mississippi have a mixture of systems. Hawaii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii) uses a form of riparian rights, andAlaska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska) uses appropriation-based rights.

[Jeff]

I am not sure if this is the story fj was talking about but this is in the news today, this guy didn't just get a fine he got 30 days in jail, all for collecting water. I couldn't think of a much stupider law, hell I came in from Florida last year where we rode in a down pour all day but the time we got home I had enough water on me, my clothes and the bike to fill a bucket, guess I should be lucky I am not serving jail time. :rolleyes:



His story quickly went viral after a rural Oregon man was slapped with fines for collecting rain water on his own property. But now, as of last Wednesday, Gary Harrington of Eagle Point, has been sentenced to 30 days in jail and more than $1,500 in fines, all because he had three reservoirs on his own property, that he used to collect and use rainwater.
Harrington says he plans to appeal the conviction in the Jackson County Circuit Court. That conviction revolved around nine misdemeanor charges that come from a 1925 law. That archaic ordinance bans what state water managers called “illegal reservoirs.”
“The government is bullying,” Harrington said in an CNS News (http://cnsnews.com), last Thursday.



http://www.mintpressnews.com/man-gets-prison-sentence-for-collecting-rainwater-on-his-own-property/204350/

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I am not sure if this is the story fj was talking about.

SD linked to it. It is ridiculous when taken to that extreme but it is the law and it has its roots in historical water use practices. Every stupid law is not because of lefties :eek: and stupid laws should be changed. I believe the other one I referenced in Utah? did result in a change of law to allow such things.