Most Conservative

[Perianne]

Other than me, who would you consider to be the most conservative member here?

[fj1200]

Define conservative.

[Perianne]

Define conservative.

Conservative is agreeing with what I believe. :)

[fj1200]

Conservative is agreeing with what I believe. :)

Then clearly you are the most conservative here and everyone pales in comparison. :laugh:

[jimnyc]

Well, let's be honest, the overwhelming majority here lean right. We have a few lefties who pop in here and there. We definitely have a small handful of middle of the road types. We have a large group of "conservative" by the traditional definition of many, many moons ago. Then we have a small handful of chicken hawks, far right nutcases, just like myself, who believe pretty much everything the left does sucks, and pretty much all of the conservative ideas/principles are what we should embrace. Like FJ said, some might debate specifically what makes one a conservative, as the definition does vary to an extent. But I'm definitely a chicken hawk who wants to see bad people around the world die... I think similar to me is Nighttrain, we always had eerily similar opinions. Outside of that I am hesitant to place labels on others, but gladly label myself! :)

[hjmick]

Not me.

[tailfins]

Other than me, who would you consider to be the most conservative member here?

I may be the most theologically conservative. KJV-Only Baptist. BTW: Cute avatar. That dog looks like he's about to start talking.

[gabosaurus]

As a diehard liberal, I know what a real conservative is. I judge conservatives as much by their values as their tenacity and ability to define and defend such.
To me, the DP poster who most fits that term would be Nighttrain. Drummond is a very good English conservative type.

[LongTermGuy]

Not me.


*Myself.....and a few of others...

[gabosaurus]

*Myself.....and a few of others...

N00bs are not eligible :cool:

[LongTermGuy]

N00bs are not eligible :cool:


* ..disrespected Village idiot opinions never count....Buzz off...:cool:

[Perianne]

Perianne, to answer your question of who is the most conservative....

There are many great conservatives here. I love them all.

[Abbey Marie]

I am probably one of the most socially-Conservative.

[Perianne]

As a diehard liberal, I know what a real conservative is. I judge conservatives as much by their values as their tenacity and ability to define and defend such.
To me, the DP poster who most fits that term would be Nighttrain. Drummond is a very good English conservative type.

I miss Drummond.

[NightTrain]

As a diehard liberal, I know what a real conservative is. I judge conservatives as much by their values as their tenacity and ability to define and defend such.
To me, the DP poster who most fits that term would be Nighttrain. Drummond is a very good English conservative type.

Wow... I just now saw this.

I have to say I'm almost speechless... thanks for the compliment.

[Gunny]

As a diehard liberal, I know what a real conservative is. I judge conservatives as much by their values as their tenacity and ability to define and defend such.
To me, the DP poster who most fits that term would be Nighttrain. Drummond is a very good English conservative type.

There's nothing liberal about you loons on the left. True liberals don't spend all their time trying to tell others what to do. In fact, just the opposite.

You're a progressive leftist always running around trying to tell everyone else how to live. You don't want to take from the rich and give to the poor ... you want to take from the RIGHT and give to the poor simply because we think y'all are stupid, lying hypocrites. What you want is to tell the right what to do while not adhering to your own nonsense.

[Noir]

Perianne, to answer your question of who is the most conservative.... There are many great conservatives here. I love them all.

Do you share your computer with another DP user?

[Voted4Reagan]

N00bs are not eligible :cool:

he's hardly a noob

[Perianne]

Do you share your computer with another DP user?

Perianne says she does not share her computer with anyone. :)

[Perianne]

Then clearly you are the most conservative here and everyone pales in comparison. :laugh:

You must have changed your mind?

[fj1200]

You must have changed your mind?

You presented a flawed definition.

[glockmail]

Everyone has their own definition. Mine is the one that's correct. ;)

[Gunny]

I never considered myself conservative. When I was young, I was classified as a liberal. Seems to me the left is now what they always accuse the right of being -- fascists and there is no such thing as a liberal anymore. I just get labeled for my beliefs based on who I disagree with and how they define themselves.

[Drummond]

Define conservative.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Need some tips, FJ .. ? :laugh::laugh:

I'm not at all surprised.

Interesting that, elsewhere, you've claimed that neither myself nor Perianne are Conservatives. Here, however, you've disagreed with YOURSELF .. certainly where Perianne's concerned. You also have recognition from another member that I am one.

So you're obviously experiencing difficulties on this subject.

I'll give you a clue as to the proper answer, though.

A Conservative, FJ, is what you are NOT. Therefore, define yourself (.. honestly for once !), then come up with the exact opposite.

[Gunny]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Need some tips, FJ .. ? :laugh::laugh:

I'm not at all surprised.

Interesting that, elsewhere, you've claimed that neither myself nor Perianne are Conservatives. Here, however, you've disagreed with YOURSELF .. certainly where Perianne's concerned. You also have recognition from another member that I am one.

So you're obviously experiencing difficulties on this subject.

I'll give you a clue as to the proper answer, though.

A Conservative, FJ, is what you are NOT. Therefore, define yourself (.. honestly for once !), then come up with the exact opposite.

You and Perianne are actually quite different. As I've said in the past, conservatism where you are from is not conservatism here. I've never meant it as a knock on you. It's just a fact. If you look at a 360 degree paradigm, there is NO difference between a "true" conservative and and a "true" leftwinger. Both end up at the 0 or 360 degree mark and are closed minded fascists.

FJ can take up for himself so I'm not defending him; rather, making a point. I can relate to him pretty easily. He's just doing his own thing. You never see him defending lefties. He questions the right; which, I do as well. Agree or disagree with him, at least he thinks for himself and doesn't parrot party lines. If you can't look at yourself in the mirror honestly, what right have you to tell others what they are? That would be the ubiquitous "you", not a specific person.

He just likes to stir up shit because he can with some people. You have to know when to apply the clutch and shift gears when someone like him is being serious and when they are just screwing with you.

[Gunny]

Adding this to that ....

This will be our 4th election cycle essentially together, one way or another. We STILL end up having to live with each other when it's over. I know there are a couple of people here that wish I would die. My best revenge is when I log on in the morning.:laugh:

There's no one here I haven't disagreed with over the years about something. And you've never seen me when I get absolutely vicious and ruthless. I've gone at it with Jim, DMP, Kathianne, glock, pix ... In the end what does it matter? I used to log on prepared for a personal fight then I just quit logging on. It's not worth it. And I DID have to walk away for a few years. I'm still not perfect, but I have a different perspective. I'm not here to fight. I'm here to discuss. I'm still hard corps, and as ruthless as it gets, but there's just no point in turning everything into personal pissing contests. Nobody's jumping through anyone's screen so all the threats in the world are pointless.

But derailing thread after thread into personal pissing contests just ruins it for everyone else that might want to post in that particular thread.

[Drummond]

You and Perianne are actually quite different. As I've said in the past, conservatism where you are from is not conservatism here. I've never meant it as a knock on you. It's just a fact. If you look at a 360 degree paradigm, there is NO difference between a "true" conservative and and a "true" leftwinger. Both end up at the 0 or 360 degree mark and are closed minded fascists.

FJ can take up for himself so I'm not defending him; rather, making a point. I can relate to him pretty easily. He's just doing his own thing. You never see him defending lefties. He questions the right; which, I do as well. Agree or disagree with him, at least he thinks for himself and doesn't parrot party lines. If you can't look at yourself in the mirror honestly, what right have you to tell others what they are? That would be the ubiquitous "you", not a specific person.

He just likes to stir up shit because he can with some people. You have to know when to apply the clutch and shift gears when someone like him is being serious and when they are just screwing with you.

He picks some of the staunchest Conservatives here for his efforts .. I've seen no comparable attacks on left-wingers here.

He claims fraudulent so-called 'facts' about himself. Now, why the misrepresentation ? Time was when FJ claimed to be the 'ultimate Thatcherite' (meaning that all others were lesser than him, therefore, he was ABUSING them). After I repeatedly proved that such claims had to be fraudulent, he abandoned them for something arguably 'lesser'.

FJ likes to claim to be a Conservative, but cannot reasonably describe what one is, or properly mirror the characteristics of one when he gives 'opinions' .. which he does more rarely than most, because if he were more proactive, he'd reveal more about his real thinking !! Why do you think he prefers to snipe and undermine, instead ? Because, quite apart from the 'joy' of the attack, it saves him from volunteering thoughts that'd give him away !

It baffles me how there are some here who just cannot see the obvious. And ALL of it would end if FJ would just commit one, single post, to full and candid truth about himself, rather than the interminable games-playing, which is so puerile as to be pointless.

[Elessar]

I would say I am mostly Moderate, but lean to the Conservative side.

Do agree with Gunny, though, about Liberals preaching and telling others how to
live and speak.

The biggest problem we see now in Congress is the brick wall the hard-core
Liberals have put across the aisle the last 7 years.

[gabosaurus]

Gunny, if you were ever a liberal (which I doubt), it was before you joined the Marines. I don't see anyone on this board as liberal. Or even moderate. Some of you are conservative and others are far-right conservative.
Which means you don't have any common sense. If you did, you wouldn't be conservatives. :cool:

[Black Diamond]

Thread title should read "farthest right" imo. Perianne probably wins with me coming in second. :cool:

[Gunny]

He picks some of the staunchest Conservatives here for his efforts .. I've seen no comparable attacks on left-wingers here.

He claims fraudulent so-called 'facts' about himself. Now, why the misrepresentation ? Time was when FJ claimed to be the 'ultimate Thatcherite' (meaning that all others were lesser than him, therefore, he was ABUSING them). After I repeatedly proved that such claims had to be fraudulent, he abandoned them for something arguably 'lesser'.

FJ likes to claim to be a Conservative, but cannot reasonably describe what one is, or properly mirror the characteristics of one when he gives 'opinions' .. which he does more rarely than most, because if he were more proactive, he'd reveal more about his real thinking !! Why do you think he prefers to snipe and undermine, instead ? Because, quite apart from the 'joy' of the attack, it saves him from volunteering thoughts that'd give him away !

It baffles me how there are some here who just cannot see the obvious. And ALL of it would end if FJ would just commit one, single post, to full and candid truth about himself, rather than the interminable games-playing, which is so puerile as to be pointless.

And as I pointed out in another thread, know your enemy. He doesn't pick on conservatives. He picks on hard-heads (no offense intended). It is THE very reason we can't win in the Middle East. He exploits your weaknesses. Uou let him. And I totally agree on those that can't see the obvious. He's obvious. Just not what you think.

[Elessar]

Gunny, if you were ever a liberal (which I doubt), it was before you joined the Marines. I don't see anyone on this board as liberal. Or even moderate. Some of you are conservative and others are far-right conservative.
Which means you don't have any common sense. If you did, you wouldn't be conservatives. :cool:

That, M'Lady, comes from someone who is hardly open-minded and does
not know military training and discipline.

Have you been pounding your spoon and whining all these years?

If you are not a hard-core Liberal, then I am an Tibetan Aviator.

[Gunny]

Gunny, if you were ever a liberal (which I doubt), it was before you joined the Marines. I don't see anyone on this board as liberal. Or even moderate. Some of you are conservative and others are far-right conservative.
Which means you don't have any common sense. If you did, you wouldn't be conservatives. :cool:

I'm still a liberal. YOU are the one that is NOT a liberal. You're a leftist progressive fascist which is the furthest thing from the definition of liberal there is.

[Perianne]

Thread title should read "farthest right" imo. Perianne probably wins with me coming in second. :cool:

And a child(-sized) will lead them. Thanks for the compliment, Black Diamond.

[PixieStix]

I am very conservative.

I don't post a lot. But I read a lot. While I agree with much of what some of you say, there are times I would much rather keep my thoughts to myself, and vote accordingly. I conserve on my speech and feel that the Bill of Rights, is the greatest thing written next to the Bible. :salute:

I adore my country and it has been one of the hardest things I have ever had to do, is to watch obama and company destroy it, little by little. And feel helpless to stop him

[PixieStix]

Gunny, if you were ever a liberal (which I doubt), it was before you joined the Marines. I don't see anyone on this board as liberal. Or even moderate. Some of you are conservative and others are far-right conservative.
Which means you don't have any common sense. If you did, you wouldn't be conservatives. :cool:

Common sense Gabby. You do realize you really don't have any? :coffee:

Take a read, YOU are NOT liberal. sorry. On this I agree with Gunny
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/is-it-liberalism-or-marxism-thats-destroying-america/question-800743/

What is the communist agenda for America?
Most Americans realize there is something terribly wrong in our country today. However, people these days are too busy trying to further their careers, pay their taxes and have a little fun in their leisure time to pay much attention to the loss of liberties. After all, the loss of liberties is not broadcast on the six o'clock news, is it?

I heard a story some time ago about a goldfish and his goldfish bowl. The goldfish was losing two drops of water a day from his goldfish bowl. When confronted with this fact, the goldfish looked around his bowl and laughed as he replied "I've got the greatest goldfish bowl in all the world and it will never run out of water." Of course as time passed by the two drops a day added up and one sad day the little goldfish found himself flapping around on his side until he died.

The moral of the story? As Americans we have been losing our freedoms a little bit at a time for a very long time. If you are like the goldfish you may be under the impression you will never lose all your freedoms. Please think again! It is a terrible mistake to assume that freedom is free and without cost. The freedoms we enjoy and take for granted have been paid for in blood, from the bloody footprints in the snow and ice of Valley Forge to foreign shores.

As an American just how much do you know about our country? As Woodrow Wilson so wisely stated "if we do not know where we came from or what we have been about." How on earth can we understand what our nation has become today? How do you know what an American agenda is as opposed to a Marxist agenda? Better yet, what is Marxism? Do you know what that is, what it means, or is it merely just a word to you?

Anyone who has attended a Communist Party meeting can tell you that these communists rarely speak of communism; however, they often speak of "socialism" and how wonderful socialism is. They never tell the fools who listen to them that 85 percent of the wealth stays at the very top and only about 15 percent is divided among the peons. Fifteen percent isn't a lot of money to be divided among all the people, is it?

You may be wondering what is the communist agenda in America. You may be even one of those people that believes communism is dead. Think again! Let's review what was presented to the United States Congress in 1963. You can use it as a checklist to see how far along the "leftist liberal" road we have traveled as a nation.

[Perianne]

I am very conservative.

I don't post a lot. But I read a lot. While I agree with much of what some of you say, there are times I would much rather keep my thoughts to myself, and vote accordingly. I conserve on my speech and feel that the Bill of Rights, is the greatest thing written next to the Bible. :salute:

I adore my country and it has been one of the hardest things I have ever had to do, is to watch obama and company destroy it, little by little. And feel helpless to stop him
PixieStix, I would like for you to post more often. But I very much like reading what you do share with us. It doesn't always have to be serious. I am silly sometimes on here, just for the fun of it.

[PixieStix]

@PixieStix (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=3344), I would like for you to post more often. But I very much like reading what you do share with us. It doesn't always have to be serious. I am silly sometimes on here, just for the fun of it.


I'll try to be silly then for you Perianne. I am a very serious as of late.....

[Perianne]

I'll try to be silly then for you @Perianne (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=2722). I am a very serious as of late.....

Relax here, sweetie. You have friends here. Anyone who is mean to you will get confronted by the Perianne!!!!

[gabosaurus]

I adore my country and it has been one of the hardest things I have ever had to do, is to watch obama and company destroy it, little by little. And feel helpless to stop him

I felt the EXACT SAME WAY when Bush was in office! :salute:

[PixieStix]

I felt the EXACT SAME WAY when Bush was in office! :salute:

You never blamed a Muslim eh? My condolences though

[Gunny]

Relax here, sweetie. You have friends here. Anyone who is mean to you will get confronted by the Perianne!!!!

We need to have a talk. Being friends and being wrong are two different things.

[Perianne]

We need to have a talk. Being friends and being wrong are two different things.

And you can have friends that are wrong, but still treat them with respect.

[gabosaurus]

I don't think any of you realize what a real liberal is. You only have the right-wing misconception of what a liberal should be.

Just remember that extreme right-wing ideology is not that far removed from that of Muslim extremists. Starting with the fact that both enjoy torture and bloodshed. And both believe they are carrying out the Word of God.

[Gunny]

And you can have friends that are wrong, but still treat them with respect.

P never said otherwise. I like gabby. Always have. Let's say what you don't know won't kill you about me and pix. But when she's right, she's right. She ain't no dummy. Y'all girls need to not turn this into a biddy-fest attacking each other instead of discussing the topic.

Pix is extremely conservative. I don't agree with her about a lot of things, but I agree with her right to express her opinion. Same goes with gabs. We don't agree on anything I'm aware of. We still get along.

[Abbey Marie]

Gunny, if you were ever a liberal (which I doubt), it was before you joined the Marines. I don't see anyone on this board as liberal. Or even moderate. Some of you are conservative and others are far-right conservative.
Which means you don't have any common sense. If you did, you wouldn't be conservatives. :cool:

You have a point, G. It makes little sense to be Conservative when 95% of the media is in the tank for the libs, and the ever-growing entitlement class will always vote for the guy promising the handouts.

[Perianne]

P never said otherwise. I like gabby. Always have. Let's say what you don't know won't kill you about me and pix. But when she's right, she's right. She ain't no dummy. Y'all girls need to not turn this into a biddy-fest attacking each other instead of discussing the topic.

Pix is extremely conservative. I don't agree with her about a lot of things, but I agree with her right to express her opinion. Same goes with gabs. We don't agree on anything I'm aware of. We still get along.

Huh? I love Pixie.

[Gunny]

I don't think any of you realize what a real liberal is. You only have the right-wing misconception of what a liberal should be.

Just remember that extreme right-wing ideology is not that far removed from that of Muslim extremists. Starting with the fact that both enjoy torture and bloodshed. And both believe they are carrying out the Word of God.

Really? How old are you? I know what a REAL liberal is before you hit diapers. Try using a dictionary and looking up the actual meaning of the word.

[Gunny]

Huh? I love Pixie.

And I certainly am not telling you who to like. I just don't like the pissing contests. I don't understand why everyone takes this crap so personally. I didn't name any names. As I said in another thread, discuss the topic. I doubt I agree with anyone on this board about anything. But most of us are "conservative" and there has to be some middle ground.

Either that or Shrillary will be our next President.

[Elessar]

I felt the EXACT SAME WAY when Bush was in office! :salute:

He had guts to stand up and help defend the free world.

Your boy Obama could not even defend Chicago..

[Elessar]

Same goes with gabs. We don't agree on anything I'm aware of. We still get along.

Gabby can be pretty cool.

[Gunny]

Gabby can be pretty cool.


Until she gets in the mood to instigate. Then she pulls every chain she thinks she can. What irritates me more than her doing it, is people reacting to it. I have to admit, if I'm bored, I'll play whack-a-mole with her. :laugh:

[PixieStix]

Gabby can be pretty cool.

I agree, I just mess with her. She is cool, and never or at least rarely, gets mad. I think that is the definition of cool

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I don't think any of you realize what a real liberal is. You only have the right-wing misconception of what a liberal should be.

Just remember that extreme right-wing ideology is not that far removed from that of Muslim extremists. Starting with the fact that both enjoy torture and bloodshed. And both believe they are carrying out the Word of God.

I don't think any of you realize what a real liberal is.


I damn sure know!
I have always followed and heeded this sage advice- "know your enemy"....-Tyr

[reason10]

Well, let's be honest, the overwhelming majority here lean right. We have a few lefties who pop in here and there. We definitely have a small handful of middle of the road types. We have a large group of "conservative" by the traditional definition of many, many moons ago. Then we have a small handful of chicken hawks, far right nutcases, just like myself, who believe pretty much everything the left does sucks, and pretty much all of the conservative ideas/principles are what we should embrace. Like FJ said, some might debate specifically what makes one a conservative, as the definition does vary to an extent. But I'm definitely a chicken hawk who wants to see bad people around the world die... I think similar to me is Nighttrain, we always had eerily similar opinions. Outside of that I am hesitant to place labels on others, but gladly label myself! :)

I'm not so sure chicken hawk is the right word. One thing the modern world has taught the United States is the fact that there will always be war. And a lot of countries have a hard-on for America. So our only real choice is WHERE we want the battles fought. The first two wars were on our soil. (Revolutionary and Civil) Since then we've tried to keep them on the other side of the world.

Tell me again how chicken hawkish that is.

[reason10]

I felt the EXACT SAME WAY when Bush was in office! :salute:

Bush didn't do one TENTH the damage Obama did.

[Gunny]

I'm not so sure chicken hawk is the right word. One thing the modern world has taught the United States is the fact that there will always be war. And a lot of countries have a hard-on for America. So our only real choice is WHERE we want the battles fought. The first two wars were on our soil. (Revolutionary and Civil) Since then we've tried to keep them on the other side of the world.

Tell me again how chicken hawkish that is.

I agree with your premise but I don't think that's what he meant by "chicken hawk". Chicken hawks are people that want war but don't go out and fight them nor support them. All talk. Want proof? Look at the VA. Send us off to war, break our minds and our bodies, then don't take care of us. THAT is being a chicken hawk.

[revelarts]

.... If you look at a 360 degree paradigm, there is NO difference between a "true" conservative and and a "true" leftwinger. Both end up at the 0 or 360 degree mark and are closed minded fascists.
...

I'd word it differently and change the labels a bit, but Yeah.

one of the themes of the Lord of the Rings is power and what happens to those that want to use it, even for good.
the far far right are like Brameire and his father, wanting to stop the "evil" by any means necessary and crushing all enemies real and thinly imagined. keeping everyone at home and around the world in line for "his people" "his kind".
the left are like Galadriel.
In her short speech when offered the ring she says "Instead of a dark lord you'd have a queen, treacherous as the sea... All will love me and despair."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHEw2n9LwE


the best ideals that the country was built on were neither conservative nor liberal in the sense used today which rely on the military and police powers or PC rules and forced distributions of wealth by the state.

I'm beginning to more deeply agree with the statements of those like William Penn, Washington and Roger Williams that our gov't isn't really built for an irreligious non christian people. And that the basis of our constitutional republic is the idea that people have .. for the most part.. put themselves under the rule of God. So there's no need for BIG gov't., to control everything, protect everyone or provide everything.
BUT "If we will not be governed by God, we must be governed by tyrants."
The far left and far right just ask you to pick your favorite version of tyrant.

[Gunny]

I'd word it differently and change the labels a bit, but Yeah.

one of the themes of the Lord of the Rings is power and what happens to those that want to use it, even for good.
the far far right are like Brameire and his father, wanting to stop the "evil" by any means necessary and crushing all enemies real and thinly imagined. keeping everyone at home and around the world in line for "his people" "his kind".
the left are like Galadriel.
In her short speech when offered the ring she says "Instead of a dark lord you'd have a queen, treacherous as the sea... All will love me and despair."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHEw2n9LwE


the best ideals that the country was built on were neither conservative nor liberal in the sense used today which rely on the military and police powers or PC rules and forced distributions of wealth by the state.

I'm beginning to more deeply agree with the statements of those like William Penn, Washington and Roger Williams that our gov't isn't really built for an irreligious non christian people. And that the basis of our constitutional republic is the idea that people have .. for the most part.. put themselves under the rule of God. So there's no need for BIG gov't., to control everything, protect everyone or provide everything.
BUT "If we will not be governed by God, we must be governed by tyrants."
The far left and far right just ask you to pick your favorite version of tyrant.

I agree with that.

[Drummond]

I felt the EXACT SAME WAY when Bush was in office! :salute:

Did you feel the same way about Bush during the first couple of days after 9/11 ... when he was making it clear that America's enemies would pay a heavy price for attacking the US ?

Did you hate that he stood up for your country ? That he wasn't willing to sit around twiddling his thumbs ?

Perhaps you'd have preferred him to go the Democrat route ... theirs being a preference to go cap-in-hand to the UN, for PERMISSION to take military action to the aggressors' doorstep .. ??

A true Conservative is a patriot. A true Leftie is one that'll happily equivocate in favour of one's enemies, and call it "enlightened, 'progressive' thinking" ...

[Perianne]

Did you feel the same way about Bush during the first couple of days after 9/11 ... when he was making it clear that America's enemies would pay a heavy price for attacking the US ?

Did you hate that he stood up for your country ? That he wasn't willing to sit around twiddling his thumbs ?

Perhaps you'd have preferred him to go the Democrat route ... theirs being a preference to go cap-in-hand to the UN, for PERMISSION to take military action to the aggressors' doorstep .. ??

A true Conservative is a patriot. A true Leftie is one that'll happily equivocate in favour of one's enemies, and call it "enlightened, 'progressive' thinking" ...

Another great post by Drummond.

[Drummond]

Another great post by Drummond.

Thanks ! :salute:

[Gunny]

Thanks ! :salute:

Don't get all cocky on us.

[gabosaurus]

Another great post by Drummond.

Don't encourage him! :slap:

[Perianne]

Don't encourage him! :slap:
gabosaurus, you've been posting here for nearly nine years and you could only find 57 posts to thank?

[Gunny]

@gabosaurus (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=111), you've been posting here for nearly nine years and you could only find 57 posts to thank?

:dunno:

SOme people use thanks and some rep. Some don't do either. Depends on the person. If I get a thanks from CSM I'm happy the rest of the day because I respect him. The Sergeant Major's approval means more to me than anyone else's. No offense to anyone else. I'm a Gunny. Of course I want the Sergeant Major's approval. If I present a plan to the SgtMaj and we shove it down the CO's throat, it damned well better work or I'm wearing a SgtMaj's boot in my ass for a year at least. :laugh:

WHO exactly is Gabby supposed to thank? We're all conservatives and she's not.

[Drummond]

:dunno:

SOme people use thanks and some rep. Some don't do either. Depends on the person. If I get a thanks from CSM I'm happy the rest of the day because I respect him. The Sergeant Major's approval means more to me than anyone else's. No offense to anyone else. I'm a Gunny. Of course I want the Sergeant Major's approval. If I present a plan to the SgtMaj and we shove it down the CO's throat, it damned well better work or I'm wearing a SgtMaj's boot in my ass for a year at least. :laugh:

WHO exactly is Gabby supposed to thank? We're all conservatives and she's not.

She can thank us for the education Conservatives are giving her .. a chance to peek beyond the obscuring, delusionary veil of Leftie propaganda .. and out on to the real world.

[Gunny]

She can thank us for the education Conservatives are giving her .. a chance to peek beyond the obscuring, delusionary veil of Leftie propaganda .. and out on to the real world.

We're not educating anyone. I got over THAT notion years ago. Everybody;s too busy talking to listen.

[fj1200]

Need some tips, FJ .. ?

Nope. Conservatives don't run whereas you sprint at full speed in the opposite direction when challenged on your big government antics.


He picks some of the staunchest Conservatives here for his efforts ..

:blah:

Never have.


And ALL of it would end if FJ would just commit one, single post, to full and candid truth about himself...

Yet another chance to point out the liar in you. So here goes; small-government, pro-Constitution conservative.

Done. Five words that you'll ignore because it proves you wrong.


Thread title should read "farthest right" imo. Perianne probably wins with me coming in second. :cool:

I'm beginning to wonder about the actual difference between conservative and right wing.

[jimnyc]

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[fj1200]

If you look at a 360 degree paradigm, there is NO difference between a "true" conservative and and a "true" leftwinger. Both end up at the 0 or 360 degree mark and are closed minded fascists.


I'd word it differently and change the labels a bit, but Yeah.

I'm not so sure I put LW and RW on a circle continuum. I think the Libertarian may be a little more accurate with Personal Freedom and Economic Freedom axes.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/images/bothaxes.gif

[fj1200]

We're not educating anyone. I got over THAT notion years ago. Everybody;s too busy talking to listen.

BAM!!!


deja vu

All over again. Kind of annoying isn't it?

[Elessar]

I'd word it differently and change the labels a bit, but Yeah.

one of the themes of the Lord of the Rings is power and what happens to those that want to use it, even for good.
the far far right are like Brameire and his father, wanting to stop the "evil" by any means necessary and crushing all enemies real and thinly imagined. keeping everyone at home and around the world in line for "his people" "his kind".
the left are like Galadriel.
In her short speech when offered the ring she says "Instead of a dark lord you'd have a queen, treacherous as the sea... All will love me and despair."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHEw2n9LwE


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You must mean Boromir, and yes he was reactive to the defense of all.

Galadriel certainly had the power, too - so she was not liberal by any means,
just wisely subdued as the last of the pure line of the Noldor.

[Elessar]

Did you feel the same way about Bush during the first couple of days after 9/11 ... when he was making it clear that America's enemies would pay a heavy price for attacking the US ?

Did you hate that he stood up for your country ? That he wasn't willing to sit around twiddling his thumbs ?

Perhaps you'd have preferred him to go the Democrat route ... theirs being a preference to go cap-in-hand to the UN, for PERMISSION to take military action to the aggressors' doorstep .. ??

A true Conservative is a patriot. A true Leftie is one that'll happily equivocate in favour of one's enemies, and call it "enlightened, 'progressive' thinking" ...

Al Gore would have peed his pants at 9/11. I remember when he screamed when he lost the election, veins poking out of his temples.

One thing people that do not have to make such decisions do not realize that there are three ways to
do it.

One is to be be totally reactive and blindly pursue, making mistakes along the way.
The other is to quietly contemplate and think out how to react. The best is to
keep in the middle and use your intuition, Which is what GWB did, not jump
up in a blind panic.

I held that approach for years as a Search and Rescue / LE Controller.

[Elessar]

@gabosaurus (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=111), you've been posting here for nearly nine years and you could only find 57 posts to thank?

She's cute at times, but not too world-wise.

[Drummond]

Nope. Conservatives don't run whereas you sprint at full speed in the opposite direction when challenged on your big government antics.

You've claimed to be a Thatcherite .. and as I've pointed out on several occasions, Margaret Thatcher was perfectly prepared to apply Big Government solutions to problems she (and the UK) faced. She did so, without ever offering any apology or any expression of regret. Not at the time she acted, nor since.

You, as the self-proclaimed 'Ultimate Thatcherite', should therefore have been her 'ultimate' supporter in all she did !! So .. if you still want to push your so-called anti-Big Government 'bona fides', you are arguing AGAINST YOURSELF.

So, then. You say I 'sprint at full speed in the opposite direction when challenged on your big government antics' .. let's see YOU do EXACTLY THE SAME when faced with an illustration of great complicity with Big Government methodology !!

Here's your problem. The claims you make for yourself are bogus. Since they are, the chances are going to be great that your bogus claims for yourself will trip you up. As, indeed, THEY HAVE.

You wouldn't have such problems arising from inconsistencies if you'd been honest about yourself from the start. BUT, you've had some people to con, for agenda-driven effect. And, good little Leftie that you are, loyal to your cause, you've never dreamed of coming clean.


Never have.

.. there y'go ....


Yet another chance to point out the liar in you. So here goes; small-government, pro-Constitution conservative.

.. and what Constitution would you claim I'm required to bear allegiance to, if you ever try to equate those words and that 'mandated position', as relevant to me ? I'm not an American - had you forgotten ? The American Constitution is, was always meant to be, for Americans !

But I repeat what I keep on saying. There are times, there are issues, which can only be properly addressed by an application of Big Government methodology. It's a simple fact. Your Homeland Security issues are one obvious example of something that cannot be meaningfully tackled any other way.

I'm not a great fan of Big Government actions, I never have been (despite your many demonisation attempts against me to the contrary). But I'm realistic enough to understand their necessity, when circumstances make them necessary.


Done. Five words that you'll ignore because it proves you wrong.

... again (!) ... the words 'small-government, pro-Constitution conservative'

.. which I'm busily REPEATING ... so, I'm ignoring them, am I ?

No. I'm REFUTING them. You as the 'Ultimate Thatcherite' could not be what you claim to be, in those five words of yours. So .. which is the lie ? Your five words ... or all the words you've posted as a so-called 'Thatcher supporter' .. ?

Or are you, and have you been, lying throughout ?

Since when was Margaret Thatcher loyal (- or required to be -) to the American Constitution ?? Was she an American ? Was she an American President ??


I'm beginning to wonder about the actual difference between conservative and right wing.

Flounder away, FJ (.. but be revealing about yourself in the process, eh !). You, as a BOGUS 'conservative', can actually do little else !! Oh, except for one thing: you could TRY BEING HONEST ABOUT YOURSELF.:laugh::laugh::rolleyes::laugh::laugh:

[Drummond]

All over again. Kind of annoying isn't it?

A quick burst of honesty from you, FJ, would break such a cycle. Just come clean about yourself.

You can do it in a single post. Admit your true loyalties, beliefs, political biases. Admit your agenda.

Go on. TRY it.

[fj1200]

You've claimed...

I've answered your mindless blatherings multiple times in multiple threads. You're a trolling hack who loses arguments in one thread only to repeat your abject failures in another.


You can do it in a single post.

It only took me five words to expose you as a brainless hack and a lying sack. :)

[Gunny]

I'm not so sure I put LW and RW on a circle continuum. I think the Libertarian may be a little more accurate with Personal Freedom and Economic Freedom axes.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/images/bothaxes.gif

I don't use a square paradigm because it isn't square. It comes full circle if both right and left push it all the way. They may claim different agendas and possibly do it a different way, but in the end, it turns out the same. When I was a kid, being liberal meant y"you do your thing and I'll do mine". Now the word represents the biggest bunch of fascists on Earth. They've ruined our industry and spend more time telling others what they can and cannot think than practicing it themselves.

[fj1200]

I don't use a square paradigm because it isn't square. It comes full circle if both right and left push it all the way. They may claim different agendas and possibly do it a different way, but in the end, it turns out the same. When I was a kid, being liberal meant y"you do your thing and I'll do mine". Now the word represents the biggest bunch of fascists on Earth. They've ruined our industry and spend more time telling others what they can and cannot think than practicing it themselves.

I don't think you can put all of those variables on one line. It forces those on either end to desire inconsistent things. On the right we need to fight for economic freedoms but against personal freedoms while those on the left are doing the opposite; It seems to be the opposite of what you describe when you were a kid. Classic liberalism was liberty even though our laws didn't match up to that ideal.

EDIT: Just noticed your "if" statement. "If" they push it that way then your correct but that is why we need to fight the inclination to do so even if we don't like where it may be headed.

[Gunny]

I don't think you can put all of those variables on one line. It forces those on either end to desire inconsistent things. On the right we need to fight for economic freedoms but against personal freedoms while those on the left are doing the opposite; It seems to be the opposite of what you describe when you were a kid. Classic liberalism was liberty even though our laws didn't match up to that ideal.

EDIT: Just noticed your "if" statement. "If" they push it that way then your correct but that is why we need to fight the inclination to do so even if we don't like where it may be headed.

It's easy to put the variables on one line. They're nothing but labels based on political posturing based on the same thing -- Government control of our lives. The Republicans were originally the liberals and the Democrats the conservatives. THey've jockeyed around each other trying to outdo each other until they've come full circle.

"If" it was up to me, I'd clean sweep the entire hydra that is the US Government. Their goal is not to serve "We, the people" .... it's to stay in power regardless what they do to us.

[fj1200]

It's easy to put the variables on one line. They're nothing but labels based on political posturing based on the same thing -- Government control of our lives. The Republicans were originally the liberals and the Democrats the conservatives. THey've jockeyed around each other trying to outdo each other until they've come full circle.

"If" it was up to me, I'd clean sweep the entire hydra that is the US Government. Their goal is not to serve "We, the people" .... it's to stay in power regardless what they do to us.

But D and R are arguing over controlling a different part of your life and not all of it. The Nazis and commies want to control all of it and the Libertarians want to control none of it. That would be on one continuum but not the way it's currently being debated between the parties.

[Gunny]

But D and R are arguing over controlling a different part of your life and not all of it. The Nazis and commies want to control all of it and the Libertarians want to control none of it. That would be on one continuum but not the way it's currently being debated between the parties.

Hmmm ... I'm wondering who you are calling the Nazis and Commies. The current definition from the left says the Nazis were rightwingers when in fact, they were leftists. They don't go for a different part of our lives. ALL bureaucrats and elitists want to control ALL of our MONEY to support THEIR BS. They want to tell us what to say and what to think to achieve that end. The left has come out on top currently, bullying everyone about what they say or do, while the left says and does what it wants.

And they just make up crap to keep people distracted. Climate change comes to mind. We go from one controversy to the next just so long as we don't have our eyes on THEM.

[Drummond]

I've answered your mindless blatherings multiple times in multiple threads. You're a trolling hack who loses arguments in one thread only to repeat your abject failures in another.

It only took me five words to expose you as a brainless hack and a lying sack. :)

-- Evasion, from beginning to end. No attempt to answer what, after all, you know you CANNOT answer ...

So, who's 'sprinting' now, eh ?:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[fj1200]

Hmmm ... I'm wondering who you are calling the Nazis and Commies. The current definition from the left says the Nazis were rightwingers when in fact, they were leftists. They don't go for a different part of our lives. ALL bureaucrats and elitists want to control ALL of our MONEY to support THEIR BS. They want to tell us what to say and what to think to achieve that end. The left has come out on top currently, bullying everyone about what they say or do, while the left says and does what it wants.

And they just make up crap to keep people distracted. Climate change comes to mind. We go from one controversy to the next just so long as we don't have our eyes on THEM.

I'm calling Nazis and commies Nazis and commies. And I completely agree that the left tries to turn the Nazis into rightwingers but they are a duplicitous bunch. We'll have to agree to disagree on the rest. :)

[fj1200]

-- Evasion...

Blah, blah, blah. You don't particularly care what I post and you would ignore it in favor of your delusions anyway. Go look up a hundred or three other threads you've run from.