Obama: Europe should better integrate Muslims

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://news.yahoo.com/us-britain-vow-help-france-paris-attacks-obama-175747690.html


Obama: Europe should better integrate Muslims

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AFP
By Jerome Cartillier
January 16, 2015 3:39 PM

Washington (AFP) - US President Barack Obama on Friday urged European governments to try to better assimilate their Muslim minority populations as they respond to extremist attacks like last week's shootings in Paris.







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At a White House news conference with British Prime Minister David Cameron, his first foreign guest since last week's Charlie Hebdo massacre, Obama said the allies would stand by France.

But he also warned that the answer to the recent violence must not simply be a security crackdown.

"I know David joins me when I say that we will continue to do everything in our power to help France seek the justice that is needed, and that all our countries are working together seamlessly to prevent attacks and to defeat these terrorist networks," Obama said.

Obama said the Paris attacks "underscored how terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIL are actively trying to inspire and support people within our own countries to engage in terrorism."

The US leader said the 2013 Boston marathon bombing showed that the United States was not entirely safe from jihadist cells, but suggested that it had had more success than others in integrating minorities.






"Our biggest advantage, major, is that our Muslim populations feel themselves to be Americans and there is this incredible process of immigration and assimilation that is part of our tradition," he said.


US President Barack Obama on Friday urged European governments to try to better assimilate their Muslim minority populations as they respond to extremist attacks like last week's shootings in Paris.

^^^^ That is code for those governments to change their laws to be agreeable to muslim dictates. And the screw over the native populations of those countries in favor of the ffing murdering savages.

Everybody knows as soon as any laws are enacted to aid or force assimilation the muslims rebel, raise hell and blow up things killing people. And really Obama? Why didn't you mention abolishing those damn Sharia courts which are a major and prime example absolute refusal to obey the current laws in the host nation?
I'll tell you people why he conveniently ignored highlighting that important step.
Its because his code word--assimilation-- which really just means appeasement--more giving in and that's is what he Obama will use the power and might and wealth of this nation to engineer in those European nations with the muslim scourge problem.
That's Obama advancing Islam not the best interests of this nation yet he is lauded and highly praised for his open treason.
You see these days just engage in treason openly in the name of liberalism and tolerance and its suddenly a heroic deed and a good thing! At least it is when the lying maggot does it!!!
Our population has been so damn dumbed down by the ffing liberal socialist school system that it is blinded, gullible and some would say rightly deserves what it is going to get.
I say the traitors and their allies deserve something alright--question is will they ever get it?
Justice will never be served under this president, this maggot, this ffing traitor! A damn tragic fact....--Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

~ "That is code for those governments to change their laws to be agreeable to muslim dictates. And the screw over the native populations of those countries in favor of the ffing murdering savages. " ~


`Agree...same old ..same old stuff...its in the agenda..`

*Defunding and isolating `o` is the best way ....until he leaves..

[jimnyc]

He thinks Europe should better integrate - and I think he should go fuck himself. And I hope Europe takes his advice as much as Obama takes mine.

[Drummond]

See ...

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48384-Europe-needs-to-better-integrate-Muslim-communities-quot-Obama-quot&p=721508#post721508

[Elessar]

He thinks Europe should better integrate - and I think he should go fuck himself. And I hope Europe takes his advice as much as Obama takes mine.

I cannot believe he is saying this!

Look how successful he has been in Chicago and the St. Louis area!

And he is dictating to other nations how to behave?

What's he gonna do - send Al Sharpton over there?

...or Hillary to teach them to 'empathize'

What a fukkin idiot. He loves chewing on shoes..:laugh:

[Jeff]

I cannot believe he is saying this!

Look how successful he has been in Chicago and the St. Louis area!

And he is dictating to other nations how to behave?

What's he gonna do - send Al Sharpton over there?

...or Hillary to teach them to 'empathize'

What a fukkin idiot. He loves chewing on shoes..:laugh:

And think when folks from other countries think of America that idiot comes to there mind first :rolleyes:

[Drummond]

A fresh news item from today .. and appropriate to add here, I think .. speaking about the UK's approach to this.

This only goes to show how determined our own CONSERVATIVES are to see full integration of Islam, and Islamists, into the very nature of our culture. Bear in mind that recent terrorism in Paris will have sparked this off, and it's part of an effort to identify with the so-called 'moderate mainstream' which our politicians insist true Islam to be. But, still .. get a load of this.

.. Currently THE leading BBC news item, domestically ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30877447


David Cameron has defended a letter urging senior Muslims to explain how Islam "can be part of British identity", amid criticism from leaders.

The Muslim Council of Britain said the letter appeared to suggest - "like the far right"- that Muslims and Islam were inherently apart from British society.

Mr Cameron said the letter, written by Communities Secretary Eric Pickles, was "reasonable, sensible and moderate"

The letter was sent to 1,000 Muslim leaders after the attacks in Paris.

The prime minister said Mr Pickles was "absolutely right" to write the letter urging leaders to do more to tackle extremism.

"Anyone who reads this letter - and I've read the letter - will see that what he is saying is that British Muslims make a great contribution to our country, that what is happening in terms of extremist terror has nothing to do with the true religion of Islam," he said. "It's being perverted by a minority who have been radicalised.

"Anyone reading this letter, who has a problem with it, I think really has a problem."

Communities minister Lord Ahmad, who signed the letter with Mr Pickles, said the response from the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) was "disappointing" and "missed the point".

He told BBC Radio 5 live: "It explicitly states that British values are Muslim values. This letter is laying out that the government is engaging with all communities, saying we need to tackle extremism and to work together to make sure we eradicate this evil from our society."

In the letter sent to more than 1,000 Islamic leaders, Mr Pickles stressed he was "proud" of the way Muslims in Britain had responded to the Paris terror attacks but added that there was "more work to do".

He wrote: "You, as faith leaders, are in a unique position in our society. You have a precious opportunity, and an important responsibility, in explaining and demonstrating how faith in Islam can be part of British identity.

"We believe together we have an opportunity to demonstrate the true nature of British Islam today. There is a need to lay out more clearly than ever before what being a British Muslim means today: proud of your faith and proud of your country. We know that acts of extremism are not representative of Islam, but we need to show what is."

But MCB deputy secretary-general Harun Khan said: "We will be writing to Mr Eric Pickles to ask that he clarifies his request to Muslims to 'explain and demonstrate how faith in Islam can be part of British identity'.

"Is Mr Pickles seriously suggesting, as do members of the far right, that Muslims and Islam are inherently apart from British society?"

Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, said he was "dismayed" by the letter, which was "typical of the government only looking at Muslims through the prism of terrorism and security".

You can see from this just how sold our CONSERVATIVES are in standing by a stance which says that Islam (.. their belief in it as something moderate, anyway) actually IS identifiable with British culture, AND SHOULD BE.

And, surprise surprise, the Muslim Council of Great Britain is UNHAPPY with the letter our Conservative Minister sent out, because it seemingly so much as hints at raising the question that Islam can be SEPARATED OUT from British society !!

Whether our people are consciously working with Obama on this, or whether Obama's preaching to Europe at this time is 'just a coincidence of timing', is open to interpretation. Even so ... you can see how very far this process has already gone, in terms of Muslims insisting that they ARE a part of British culture already .. taking offence at even just the suggestion of separation from it.

Jafar would've been delighted ....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

A fresh news item from today .. and appropriate to add here, I think .. speaking about the UK's approach to this.

This only goes to show how determined our own CONSERVATIVES are to see full integration of Islam, and Islamists, into the very nature of our culture. Bear in mind that recent terrorism in Paris will have sparked this off, and it's part of an effort to identify with the so-called 'moderate mainstream' which our politicians insist true Islam to be. But, still .. get a load of this.

.. Currently THE leading BBC news item, domestically ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30877447



You can see from this just how sold our CONSERVATIVES are in standing by a stance which says that Islam (.. their belief in it as something moderate, anyway) actually IS identifiable with British culture, AND SHOULD BE.

And, surprise surprise, the Muslim Council of Great Britain is UNHAPPY with the letter our Conservative Minister sent out, because it seemingly so much as hints at raising the question that Islam can be SEPARATED OUT from British society !!

Whether our people are consciously working with Obama on this, or whether Obama's preaching to Europe at this time is 'just a coincidence of timing', is open to interpretation. Even so ... you can see how very far this process has already gone, in terms of Muslims insisting that they ARE a part of British culture already .. taking offence at even just the suggestion of separation from it.

Jafar would've been delighted ....

The Brits and the Obama are both racing onward with the globalist plan(one world government)!
Globalists stupidly think to use the muslims when truth is it is the other way around.-, the ones truly getting used the greatest are the globalists as Islam will unite to destroy them in the future when they are done using them.
One can not defeat a pack of wolves by abandoning the herd to them!!! That is the agenda being pushed with the insane thought that the wolves will become docile and then join the herd! Truth is they will eventually eat the entire and herd and go looking for more!
Libs/leftists and dems are all ffing stupid and morally bankrupt... -Tyr

[fj1200]

^^^^ That is code for those governments to change their laws to be agreeable to muslim dictates. And the screw over the native populations of those countries in favor of the ffing murdering savages.

Perhaps if you wouldn't be in so much of a hurry to apply your "code" you might just take it for what it is. Besides, is isolation a better path?

[aboutime]

I cannot believe he is saying this!

Look how successful he has been in Chicago and the St. Louis area!

And he is dictating to other nations how to behave?

What's he gonna do - send Al Sharpton over there?

...or Hillary to teach them to 'empathize'

What a fukkin idiot. He loves chewing on shoes..:laugh:


If there EVER was an actual case of a POT calling the KETTLE black. Obama has done it. How hypocritical of him to be TALKING DOWN to Europe over such things when OBAMA himself is so incapable of doing anything like that himself???

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Perhaps if you wouldn't be in so much of a hurry to apply your "code" you might just take it for what it is. Besides, is isolation a better path?



What? You mean my code of looking for the truth, for dealing in the reality--both are so often hidden from our eyes by the powers that are now seeking our demise.
Wake up, open those eyes Hoss. The world conspires against this nation mightily and now so does its very own President.
IF YOU REJECT THAT TRUTH YOU ARE TRULY LOST.
I can only assume you reject it and ignore the evidence of it as a shield against having to reappraise your comfortable worldview..
Say, doesn't that sand ever seep into your era? ;)--Tyr

[fj1200]

What? You mean my code of looking for the truth...

That's laughable. You don't look for truth you repeat the same thing no matter the circumstances. BTW you forgot to answer the question.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

That's laughable. You don't look for truth you repeat the same thing no matter the circumstances. BTW you forgot to answer the question.

Truth bears repeating amigo. However, your world of a million shades of grey is what tis truly laughable..
Just because you refuse to admit the jackass is a jackass does not make another repeatedly citing that it is a jackass any less true.
Denial=De Nile is more than just a river in Egypt..--:laugh:
Methinks it is a constant state you rest in, perhaps even one of the bamboy's 57 states, eh?- ;)--Tyr

[fj1200]

Truth bears repeating amigo.

Propaganda bears repeating. You still forgot to answer the question. Repetitive rantings are not an answer.

Shades of grey. :laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Propaganda bears repeating. You still forgot to answer the question. Repetitive rantings are not an answer.

Shades of grey. :laugh:
Well, just let me answer that question then.

No, destruction is better, Destruction of those ffing vermin as in kill 'em all.
Every muslim maggot that dares fight , dares to murder to advance his/her stinking cult should be killed immediately or as soon as possible regardless of that animal's age, race, sex or nationality!
That's the only way they allow for us to ever stop them.
You people haven't a clue. We have only one path--and they get to choose it for us. They actually put forth the idea either destroy us or WE WILL DESTROY YOU!
I VOTE DESTROY THOSE FFKKING VERMIN--HOW ABOUT YOU??-Tyr

[fj1200]

Well, just let me answer that question then.

... destruction ... Destruction ... ffing vermin ... Every muslim maggot ... stinking cult ... killed immediately ... that animal's ... WE WILL DESTROY YOU!
I VOTE DESTROY THOSE FFKKING VERMIN---Tyr

Genocide? Kinda sounds like that. The question concerns those that are living their lives not those that are "fighting or killing." That those are all you see speaks volumes.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Genocide? Kinda sounds like that. The question concerns those that are living their lives not those that are "fighting or killing." That those are all you see speaks volumes.


Really? Words taken out of context, that the best you can do?-Tyr





Shades of grey.
Well, just let me answer that question then.

No, destruction is better, Destruction of those ffing vermin as in kill 'em all.
Every muslim maggot that dares fight , dares to murder to advance his/her stinking cult should be killed immediately or as soon as possible regardless of that animal's age, race, sex or nationality!
That's the only way they allow for us to ever stop them.
You people haven't a clue. We have only one path--and they get to choose it for us. They actually put forth the idea either destroy us or WE WILL DESTROY YOU!
I VOTE DESTROY THOSE FFKKING VERMIN--HOW ABOUT YOU??-Tyr


1.
They actually put forth the idea either destroy us or WE WILL DESTROY YOU!

^^^^^^ Clever , you leaving out this extremely important clarification and reasoning.
Yet such omission serves your purpose well, doesn't it?


2.
Every muslim maggot that dares fight , dares to murder to advance his/her stinking cult
^^^^^^ Clever omission again, its not genocide when one only targets the fighters.. Yet you know that so you picked words to present out of context. Clever try , but would only fool those of dull wits, blindness and low IQ.-Tyr


3..
I VOTE DESTROY THOSE FFKKING VERMIN--HOW ABOUT YOU??-Tyr

^^^^ And now you did not answer the question!!!--Tyr

Nice little try at painting the call to fight a vicious murdering enemy as genocide!
Got any more little editing tricks? -Tyr

[fj1200]

Nice little try at painting the call to fight a vicious murdering enemy as genocide!
Got any more little editing tricks? -Tyr

Merely editing for truth. Or do you not understand that the OP and question are concerned with your normal everyday Muslim? France isn't doing it very well, you guys bitch and moan about the UK constantly... How should it be done "better"?

[Drummond]

Merely editing for truth. Or do you not understand that the OP and question are concerned with your normal everyday Muslim? France isn't doing it very well, you guys bitch and moan about the UK constantly... How should it be done "better"?

Let me guess. 'Your normal everyday Muslim' just happens to be entirely different from any Muslim terrorist. Yes, the 'religion of peace' rot is a favourite mantra of the Left, FJ.

As for France .. by not 'doing it very well', you must mean that they don't defer to Muslim diktats to the extent that they require. Very Naughty Of Them ! Irreverent publications. Banning the Burkha. Well, the 'religion of peace' naturally WOULD react ... er'm ... 'peacefully' .. eh ?? :confused::confused::confused:

Yes, it's only the Muslims who actually AREN'T Muslims :confused: ... who don't react 'peacefully' ... :confused::confused: .......

Where the truth of Muslims is concerned, there are only two alternatives.

1. Abject surrender to all that they want, leading to outright domination.

2. Defend your right to be what YOU want to be, and deny Muslims any power to influence that. Which means, of course, resurrecting the War on Terror, and ramping up its actions.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Merely editing for truth. Or do you not understand that the OP and question are concerned with your normal everyday Muslim? France isn't doing it very well, you guys bitch and moan about the UK constantly... How should it be done "better"?



1.
Merely editing for truth.

1. Sure , just like the Nazis' and communists did, right?--Tyr
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2.
Or do you not understand that the OP and question are concerned with your normal everyday Muslim?

2. Really, "everyday muslim" ? And exactly what is a so-called "everyday muslim"?
Are you going to now describe an American muslim to put a better face on it.
Yet American muslims are less than 2% of the worldwide muslim population.
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3.
France isn't doing it very well, you guys bitch and moan about the UK constantly... How should it be done "better"?

3. Thought you'd never ask! :laugh:

First , teach the ffing vermin that their use of force will only get them killed and their mosques destroyed!
Then kill the ones that act up immediately upon hearing that and many will act up because they are animals!
Next, put soldiers at every mosque to insure its safety and no hate and murder infidel speeches are made. Shoot any imam that does so right on the spot immediately.
This use of force will teach the savages that they are not supreme, not protected by the stinking book nor their demon God, Allah.
LAST, OUTLAW ANY BUILDING OF NEW MOSQUES, SHOOT ANY AND ALL THAT TRY TO DO SO..

Now try to tell me how that is any worse than what they do around the clock, around the world and are defended by leftists/libs and our media/government while doing.
I dare you try ... --Tyr

[fj1200]

1. Sure , just like the Nazis' and communists did, right?--Tyr
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2. Really, "everyday muslim" ? And exactly what is a so-called "everyday muslim"?
Are you going to now describe an American muslim to put a better face on it.
Yet American muslims are less than 2% of the worldwide muslim population.
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Thought you'd never ask! :laugh:

First , teach the ffing vermin that their use of force will only get them killed and their mosques destroyed!
Then kill the ones that act up immediately upon hearing that and many will act up because they are animals!
Next, put soldiers at every mosque to insure its safety and no hate and murder infidel speeches are made. Shoot any imam that does so right on the spot immediately.
This use of force will teach the savages that they are not supreme, not protected by the stinking book nor their demon God, Allah.
LAST, OUTLAW ANY BUILDING OF NEW MOSQUES, SHOOT ANY AND ALL THAT TRY TO DO SO..

Now try to tell me how that is any worse than what they do around the clock, around the world and are defended by leftists/libs and our media/government while doing.
I dare you try ... --Tyr

Congratulations on the slightly better quoting job.
1. The Nazis repeated lies not truth.
2. Let's just call an every day Muslim one that's not killing you.
3. Hell, I asked you a question on the first page and you're finally getting around to an answer... not a good one but an answer. Nevertheless I asked how to integrate Muslims and not how to create a police state for them complete with summary executions.

[fj1200]

Let me guess. 'Your normal everyday Muslim' just happens to be entirely different from any Muslim terrorist. Yes, the 'religion of peace' rot is a favourite mantra of the Left, FJ.

As for France .. by not 'doing it very well', you must mean that they don't defer to Muslim diktats to the extent that they require. Very Naughty Of Them ! Irreverent publications. Banning the Burkha. Well, the 'religion of peace' naturally WOULD react ... er'm ... 'peacefully' .. eh ?? :confused::confused::confused:

Yes, it's only the Muslims who actually AREN'T Muslims :confused: ... who don't react 'peacefully' ... :confused::confused: .......

Where the truth of Muslims is concerned, there are only two alternatives.

1. Abject surrender to all that they want, leading to outright domination.

2. Defend your right to be what YOU want to be, and deny Muslims any power to influence that. Which means, of course, resurrecting the War on Terror, and ramping up its actions.

Once you put your nonsensical imagination behind you then we can move forward. Please don't tell me "what I mean" when you're to stupid to be able to understand what I say let alone what you think I say.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Congratulations on the slightly better quoting job.
1. The Nazis repeated lies not truth.
2. Let's just call an every day Muslim one that's not killing you.
3. Hell, I asked you a question on the first page and you're finally getting around to an answer... not a good one but an answer. Nevertheless I asked how to integrate Muslims and not how to create a police state for them complete with summary executions.

You act like the Obama. Why is it that this supposed Christian --the scum Obama busts his as defending Islam but never Jesus or Christianity??
Answer that one if you can and don't give me any shit that he defends Christianity. He simply never does..[-Tyr

[Drummond]

Once you put your nonsensical imagination behind you then we can move forward. Please don't tell me "what I mean" when you're to stupid to be able to understand what I say let alone what you think I say.

I stand by my comments.

By the way, I contend that the best way of debating is to actually DEBATE. Until you're willing to debate honestly and in a manner devoid of pathetic one-upmanship, I can hardly be blamed for doing the best I can with your comparatively poor material.

If you know you're in a weak debating position, instead of denigrating your opponent (as you so often try to do with me) .. why not .. CONCEDE ?

Perhaps, then, we can move forward.

[fj1200]

You act like the Obama. Why is it that this supposed Christian --the scum Obama busts his as defending Islam but never Jesus or Christianity??
Answer that one if you can and don't give me any shit that he defends Christianity. He simply never does..[-Tyr

Whine, whine, whine. I don't care about BO, he sucks. I'm just asking a question. And speaking of that question it seems that your solution to "integrating" Muslims is to become what the Muslims are in their theological regimes.


3. Thought you'd never ask! :laugh:

First , teach the ffing vermin that their use of force will only get them killed and their mosques destroyed!
Then kill the ones that act up immediately upon hearing that and many will act up because they are animals!
Next, put soldiers at every mosque to insure its safety and no hate and murder infidel speeches are made. Shoot any imam that does so right on the spot immediately.
This use of force will teach the savages that they are not supreme, not protected by the stinking book nor their demon God, Allah.
LAST, OUTLAW ANY BUILDING OF NEW MOSQUES, SHOOT ANY AND ALL THAT TRY TO DO SO..

Switch Muslim with Christian and mosque with church and I could find copious stories where Muslims do exactly what you propose.

[fj1200]

I stand by my comments.

By the way, I contend that the best way of debating is to actually DEBATE. Until you're willing to debate honestly and in a manner devoid of pathetic one-upmanship, I can hardly be blamed for doing the best I can with your comparatively poor material.

If you know you're in a weak debating position, instead of denigrating your opponent (as you so often try to do with me) .. why not .. CONCEDE ?

Perhaps, then, we can move forward.

Of course you stand by your comments. You're an idiot with no ability to learn or admit when you're wrong. You'll take any excuse to jump off into nonsensical rant even one you make up.

But yes, a way to debate is to actually debate. Unfortunately you are intellectually incapable of engaging in such. I like to engage in the dialectic (it's a big word, look it up) which is pointless when you don't have the ability to keep up. Ranting is not debate as much as you'd like to think it is.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Whine, whine, whine. I don't care about BO, he sucks. I'm just asking a question. And speaking of that question it seems that your solution to "integrating" Muslims is to become what the Muslims are in their theological regimes.



Switch Muslim with Christian and mosque with church and I could find copious stories where Muslims do exactly what you propose.

Give yourself a cookie Hoss, you finally figured out that I say --"give the stinking vermin back the same shit they dish out!
Only took you three years to figure it out and then you say how you can cite exactly what I've been posting for 3 years now ! --:laugh::laugh::laugh:
That light finally hit you in the eyes , did it?- :laugh: --Tyr

[fj1200]

Give yourself a cookie Hoss, you finally figured out that I say --"give the stinking vermin back the same shit they dish out!
Only took you three years to figure it out and then you say how you can cite exactly what I've been posting for 3 years now ! --:laugh::laugh::laugh:
That light finally hit you in the eyes , did it?- :laugh: --Tyr

Oh brother. Try pointing out where I said every Muslim is warm and fuzzy and you might have a point. Since you can't then you're self-congratulations are as typical misplaced.

Of course this all means that you still can't answer a simple question.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Oh brother. Try pointing out where I said every Muslim is warm and fuzzy and you might have a point. Since you can't then you're self-congratulations are as typical misplaced.

Of course this all means that you still can't answer a simple question.



Try pointing out where I said every Muslim is warm and fuzzy and you might have a point.

"Might"? My friend, mites proliferate on a chicken's ass.

What else ya got?----:laugh:--Tyr

[fj1200]

"Might"? My friend, mites proliferate on a chicken's ass.

What else ya got?----:laugh:--Tyr

I concede that you know more about a chicken's ass than me but it doesn't help your search for validation. I might add that your chicken-ass expertise does explain your rants err, arguments. :)

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I concede that you know more about a chicken's ass than me but it doesn't help your search for validation. I might add that your chicken-ass expertise does explain your rants err, arguments. :)

A great improvement just to get you to concede anything at all.
In case you've missed it my friend, the validation is the needed elixir you crave not I...
I've been standing on the mountain top all along.
Look up and you just may see me . Trekking along the desperation road gazing at your dusty feet will get you blisters and nothing more!
Delusions haze may be so comforting to you but it always leads to disaster. -Tyr

[fj1200]

A great improvement just to get you to concede anything at all.

Say something rational and you'll get a concession. For the time being the knuckleheads await to validate your next rant.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Say something rational and you'll get a concession. For the time being the knuckleheads await to validate your next rant.

What? Jealous that you have so little validation of your comments/views by fellow members here?
Here is a big hint on that topic. Try being honest, truthful and not a spin master...
That is, if you can ever pull off such a miracle.. ;)--Tyr

[fj1200]

What? Jealous that you have so little validation of your comments/views by fellow members here?
Here is a big hint on that topic. Try being honest, truthful and not a spin master...
That is, if you can ever pull off such a miracle.. ;)--Tyr

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The knuckleheads are exactly the people I DON'T want validation from. I'm here to debate so if I get pushback on what I post then I'm getting my validation. It's a shame you can't see that.

You could try pointing out where I'm not honest, truthful, and "spinning" rather than ranting away with the same 'ol, same 'ol.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The knuckleheads are exactly the people I DON'T want validation from. I'm here to debate so if I get pushback on what I post then I'm getting my validation. It's a shame you can't see that.

You could try pointing out where I'm not honest, truthful, and "spinning" rather than ranting away with the same 'ol, same 'ol.

I have no need to point that out as your lack of validation by other members here does that for anybody paying attention.
And yes, they must all be knuckleheads if they fail to agree with or see your great brilliance.
Say, just how big is that mirror you keep in front of your face 24/7?? -;)-Tyr

[fj1200]

I have no need to point that out as your lack of validation by other members here does that for anybody paying attention.
And yes, they must all be knuckleheads if they fail to agree with or see your great brilliance.
Say, just how big is that mirror you keep in front of your face 24/7?? -;)-Tyr

I'm sorry that you need validation from knuckleheads to get through your day. And point out where I called "all" knuckleheads who don't agree with me. I can handle disagreement, you and the knuckleheads go apoplectic when things don't go your way. Case in point? This thread.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'm sorry that you need validation from knuckleheads to get through your day. And point out where I called "all" knuckleheads who don't agree with me. I can handle disagreement, you and the knuckleheads go apoplectic when things don't go your way. Case in point? This thread.

So you rationalize that those that get validation --need it-- but you that rarely ever get it are superior because you do not -need it. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Now if that's not a liberal mind at work then water isn't wet!!! :laugh2:--Tyr

[fj1200]

:blah:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/46523ed3ff97608abc38911292c179c5/tumblr_mkw5nparnJ1s67vyfo8_250.gif

Is this your new meme when you can't handle the discussion?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/46523ed3ff97608abc38911292c179c5/tumblr_mkw5nparnJ1s67vyfo8_250.gif

Is this your new meme when you can't handle the discussion?

So very damn obvious that it is not me that can not handle it.. :laugh:
Nice try but no cigar...-Tyr

[fj1200]

:dunno:

You're not even sniffing at the original topic anymore.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

:dunno:

You're not even sniffing at the original topic anymore.

And neither are you, yet it was not I that took it down another path..

So go back to coddling your damn muslims...
I'll be glad to point out the light of truth about the ffing vermin..
Then we can both be happy, eh? --Tyr

[fj1200]

And neither are you, yet it was not I that took it down another path..

So go back to coddling your damn muslims...
I'll be glad to point out the light of truth about the ffing vermin..
Then we can both be happy, eh? --Tyr

I've been challenging your continuing delusions which began with your chicken ass expertise which I've already conceded. I've asked a question which your answer to "integrating" Muslims was to become Muslims. Now if you can explain the logic of that then that would be helpful but I'm not hopeful. You'll just continue on your rant-fueled, imaginary musings of coddling rather than discuss actual topics. :)

[LongTermGuy]

fj...lives to argue ..on and on and on....:lol:....:laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

fj...lives to argue ..on and on and on....:lol:....:laugh:

That he does in spades! I answered his question about integrating muslim, he just didn't like my answer.
I replied that the answer is not to integrate but to start kicking the caner out because it will never integrate. The muslim cancer's agenda is to conquer, subdue and turn Europe into the Sharia controlled hellholes these vermin supposedly fled from!
fj is a bit too dense to comprehend that , so I get his usual complaint that I dodged his question. :laugh:

I did also mention killing the "murdering bastards" too but apparently fj disagrees with other people(non-muslims) actually surviving!!!!! Go figure on that one!--Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

That he does in spades! I answered his question about integrating muslim, he just didn't like my answer.
I replied that the answer is not to integrate but to start kicking the caner out because it will never integrate. The muslim cancer's agenda is to conquer, subdue and turn Europe into the Sharia controlled hellholes these vermin supposedly fled from!
fj is a bit too dense to comprehend that , so I get his usual complaint that I dodged his question.

I did also mention killing the "murdering bastards" too but apparently fj disagrees with other people(non-muslims) actually surviving!!!!! Go figure on that one!--Tyr

****
`Alright ....TY...stop `playin` around with him and get some work done...or posting new threads!:laugh::dance:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

****
`Alright ....TY...stop `playin` around with him and get some work done...or posting new threads!:laugh::dance:

What a cruel taskmaster you are!! :laugh:--Tyr

[fj1200]

fj...lives to argue ..on and on and on....:lol:....:laugh:

The first rule of knucklehead is to never argue with knuckleheads. No matter the hypocrisy required.


That he does in spades! I answered his question about integrating muslim, he just didn't like my answer.
I replied that the answer is not to integrate but to start kicking the caner out because it will never integrate. The muslim cancer's agenda is to conquer, subdue and turn Europe into the Sharia controlled hellholes these vermin supposedly fled from!
fj is a bit too dense to comprehend that , so I get his usual complaint that I dodged his question. :laugh:

I did also mention killing the "murdering bastards" too but apparently fj disagrees with other people(non-muslims) actually surviving!!!!! Go figure on that one!--Tyr

I merely pointed out it was a stupid answer and intellectually inconsistent. And of course your answer previous wasn't anything close to your new answer. Of course you and the knuckleheads are incapable of comprehending discussion that doesn't originate from a full blown rantical so I shouldn't have been surprised. It's hard to rant and be consistent at the same time; you excel at the former but are lacking in the latter.

[aboutime]

The first rule of knucklehead is to never argue with knuckleheads. No matter the hypocrisy required.



I merely pointed out it was a stupid answer and intellectually inconsistent. And of course your answer previous wasn't anything close to your new answer. Of course you and the knuckleheads are incapable of comprehending discussion that doesn't originate from a full blown rantical so I shouldn't have been surprised. It's hard to rant and be consistent at the same time; you excel at the former but are lacking in the latter.


So, fj. You are telling all of us to stop arguing with YOU! Finally. We all have our marching orders from the leading knucklehead. Bye fj.

[Drummond]

Of course you stand by your comments. You're an idiot with no ability to learn or admit when you're wrong. You'll take any excuse to jump off into nonsensical rant even one you make up.

Er'm ... this is ME you're talking about ?? :laugh::laugh:


But yes, a way to debate is to actually debate. Unfortunately you are intellectually incapable of engaging in such. I like to engage in the dialectic (it's a big word, look it up) which is pointless when you don't have the ability to keep up. Ranting is not debate as much as you'd like to think it is.

Incredible that you have the nerve to post this. YOU are the one who avoids debate whenever you're in the smallest danger of being bested (.. which is why you resort to so much of your lame diversions instead ..).

I don't have to post details. We all know what they'd be ...

[Drummond]

What? Jealous that you have so little validation of your comments/views by fellow members here?
Here is a big hint on that topic. Try being honest, truthful and not a spin master...
That is, if you can ever pull off such a miracle.. ;)--Tyr:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Drummond]

fj...lives to argue ..on and on and on....:lol:....:laugh:

Actually, I think that, chiefly, FJ lives to exercise his ego. He'll argue when he thinks the result serves his ego. When it doesn't (.. which is all too often ..) he'll fall back on his lame idea of how to exercise one-upmanship, instead.

Such a sad case ... :laugh::laugh:

[fj1200]

Incredible that you have the nerve to post this. YOU are the one who avoids debate...

I was hopeful that you grew beyond your normal blather during your time off. Misplaced hope it was. Nevertheless I merely post truth, truth you're unable to understand because it's conservative truth.

[Drummond]

I was hopeful that you grew beyond your normal blather during your time off. Misplaced hope it was. Nevertheless I merely post truth, truth you're unable to understand because it's conservative truth.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

'Truth', eh ? You seriously claim to 'merely post truth' .. ???

I think my favourite example of your 'untruths' was when, on another thread, you insisted that the British economy was doing badly, with 'Austerity' measures being the problem. You reckoned, and insisted, that the UK was on the path to duplicate Greece's fate. Whereas in fact, the opposite is true .. compared with most other European nations, we're doing particularly well !! Inflation, now, is nearly zero .. it is thought we'll achieve negative inflation later this year.

I believe your ridiculous attack on Government policy came about because it was our Conservatives who were directing it, insisting that no other sensible alternative existed. After all, your own ideas had more in common with the greater recklessness of our SOCIALISTS.

But - how about this thread ?? So 'dedicated' are you to the task of 'merely posting truth', that you can't even accurately render a duplication of others' posts !! Here, as is so often true, you choose to post a derisorily edited version of them, instead ....

Truth, FJ ? 'You can't handle the truth' ....... :laugh:

[fj1200]

:blah:

:rolleyes: More cowardice that you can't even bring up that thread that you need to trash up another thread with your ignorant rantings and lying about what I posted. I posted that "austerity sucks" and thankfully the UK moved away from it. It's all detailed in the other thread that you're scared of. Your ignorance of economics is detailed here:

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?45084-Islamic-education-plot-in-UK

[Drummond]

:rolleyes: More cowardice that you can't even bring up that thread that you need to trash up another thread with your ignorant rantings and lying about what I posted. I posted that "austerity sucks" and thankfully the UK moved away from it. It's all detailed in the other thread that you're scared of. Your ignorance of economics is detailed here:

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?45084-Islamic-education-plot-in-UK

MY ignorance of economics ?? If 'austerity sucks', how come IT'S WORKING ??

And your departure from the truth in your last post only goes to illustrate your dedication towards attacking our Conservatives. You say the UK 'moved away from it' .. ?? WHAT ROT. In fact, I'm sure that in the forthcoming election debates, one hotly contested discussion topic will be how much LONGER it'll all have to be persevered with.

Dated this month:-

http://www.infocreditgroup.com/News/460/en/IFS-says-worst-of-UK-spending-cuts-yet-to-come


The Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) has said that the worst of the UK's spending cuts are still to come.
Its Green Budget, which looks at options and issues ahead of next month's Budget, says the UK's finances still have "a long way to go".

To meet plans announced in last year's Autumn Statement departmental spending cuts of £51.4bn, or 14.1%, are needed in the next parliament, the IFS said.

Cuts in the current parliament are expected to reach £38.3bn, or 9.5%.

The IFS said that over the next four years the UK is planning the largest fiscal consolidation out of 32 advanced economies.

It would mean public spending falling to its lowest share of national income since at least 1948, and fewer people working in the public sector than at any time since at least 1971.

But the report is optimistic about UK growth, estimating zero inflation and 3% growth this year.

Andrew Goodwin, senior economist at Oxford Economics and co-author of a chapter in the Green Budget, said: "The prognosis for the UK economy is pretty upbeat", and he predicted "a big turnaround in household finances" over the next year.

Let's see if you can handle THAT truth ... or, if your need to further attack our Conservatives will prove more important to you, instead ...

[aboutime]

Er'm ... this is ME you're talking about ?? :laugh::laugh:



Incredible that you have the nerve to post this. YOU are the one who avoids debate whenever you're in the smallest danger of being bested (.. which is why you resort to so much of your lame diversions instead ..).

I don't have to post details. We all know what they'd be ...


Sounds very much like fj's daily med doses have run out, and his supplier of stupid pills tricked him again.

[fj1200]

MY ignorance of economics ?? If 'austerity sucks', how come IT'S WORKING ??

And your departure from the truth in your last post only goes to illustrate your dedication towards attacking our Conservatives. You say the UK 'moved away from it' .. ?? WHAT ROT. In fact, I'm sure that in the forthcoming election debates, one hotly contested discussion topic will be how much LONGER it'll all have to be persevered with.

Dated this month:-

Let's see if you can handle THAT truth ... or, if your need to further attack our Conservatives will prove more important to you, instead ...

Paying attention was never your strong suit. I said austerity, cutting spending and RAISING taxes, sucks. I didn't say just cutting spending sucks or just raising taxes sucks, I said both, together, suck (although tax increases suck almost all of the time but you do find yourself supporting them as a big government hack would do). Thank goodness Britain is not doing that. Of course I pointed all of this out in the other thread but you apparently prefer sticking your head in the sand and resorting to being a lying sack. This is what the UK has actually been doing (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/business/global/britain-sticks-to-austerity-in-new-budget-plan.html?_r=0):


But a stalled economic recovery, rising unemployment, falling tax revenue and struggling households led Mr. Osborne to offer some concessions in the budget he presented to Parliament.
Mr. Osborne reduced the top income tax bracket to 45 percent from 50 percent, a step that was heavily criticized by the Labour Party. He also raised the income level at which people start paying taxes, cut child benefits for those making more than £60,000, cut corporate taxes and raised the tax rate on homes sold for more than £2 million, or $3.2 million.

That first paragraph? Because austerity sucked and wasn't working. The second paragraph? The one with the tax cuts shows moving away from austerity as I defined it oh so long ago shows what works; tax cuts. Tax cuts are conservative, you prattling away ignorantly is not conservative.

[Drummond]

Paying attention was never your strong suit. I said austerity, cutting spending and RAISING taxes, sucks. I didn't say just cutting spending sucks or just raising taxes sucks, I said both, together, suck (although tax increases suck almost all of the time but you do find yourself supporting them as a big government hack would do). Thank goodness Britain is not doing that. Of course I pointed all of this out in the other thread but you apparently prefer sticking your head in the sand and resorting to being a lying sack. This is what the UK has actually been doing (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/business/global/britain-sticks-to-austerity-in-new-budget-plan.html?_r=0):



That first paragraph? Because austerity sucked and wasn't working. The second paragraph? The one with the tax cuts shows moving away from austerity as I defined it oh so long ago shows what works; tax cuts. Tax cuts are conservative, you prattling away ignorantly is not conservative.

Now you're trying to wriggle out of your older attacks against British Conservatives. You're not doing a convincing job of it.

You developed your twin points over a period of time. However, your central theme was always your 'Austerity Sucks' mantra .. and our Coalition Government has been committed to following through with its austerity programme throughout the lifetime of its existence.

It STILL IS committed to that path, despite any suggestion from you to the contrary.

As I argued before .. no Conservative likes either high taxation, or to raise taxes. That said ... in an austerity scenario, you do what you must to make it work. And as I tried to explain before, tax cuts can only be employed IF CONDITIONS ALLOW FOR IT, i.e if any can be afforded.

The big difficulty with inheriting and managing a weak economy is that they CANNOT BE. So, since Conservatives are realists .. in a way that you are most certainly NOT .. they only consider such a measure if it's affordable.

Our Socialists, along with yourself, refused to grasp this 'affordability' aspect of the problem. To you both, fiscal recklessness is the way to go.

And it was that Leftie irresponsibility that got us into such an acute mess in the first place.

Despite how you're now arguing your case, you have NOT departed from that thinking. You don't really care about fiscal prudence. You refuse to adopt such a responsible approach to it in your thinking. Both you and our Labour Party are fundamentally wedded to the 'spend today, hope for the best tomorrow' nonsense that austerity measures are designed to OVERCOME AND REPAIR.

You should now rethink your Leftie idiocy. If, in fact, you can. Conservatives are, first and foremost, REALISTS -- we will do what we MUST to win the day. We have our ideological preferences, and we are true to them to the best of our abilities ... BUT ... we aren't blind to the demands of the real world.

[fj1200]

Now you're trying to wriggle out of your older attacks against British Conservatives.

:blah:

:facepalm99: Was there anything in that post that didn't prove you to be a lying sack? Because you are one dumb-ass idiot. And a hypocrite to boot. Your failure is already detailed in the previously mentioned thread... and all the other threads that you ran away from.

[aboutime]

Now you're trying to wriggle out of your older attacks against British Conservatives. You're not doing a convincing job of it.

You developed your twin points over a period of time. However, your central theme was always your 'Austerity Sucks' mantra .. and our Coalition Government has been committed to following through with its austerity programme throughout the lifetime of its existence.

It STILL IS committed to that path, despite any suggestion from you to the contrary.

As I argued before .. no Conservative likes either high taxation, or to raise taxes. That said ... in an austerity scenario, you do what you must to make it work. And as I tried to explain before, tax cuts can only be employed IF CONDITIONS ALLOW FOR IT, i.e if any can be afforded.

The big difficulty with inheriting and managing a weak economy is that they CANNOT BE. So, since Conservatives are realists .. in a way that you are most certainly NOT .. they only consider such a measure if it's affordable.

Our Socialists, along with yourself, refused to grasp this 'affordability' aspect of the problem. To you both, fiscal recklessness is the way to go.

And it was that Leftie irresponsibility that got us into such an acute mess in the first place.

Despite how you're now arguing your case, you have NOT departed from that thinking. You don't really care about fiscal prudence. You refuse to adopt such a responsible approach to it in your thinking. Both you and our Labour Party are fundamentally wedded to the 'spend today, hope for the best tomorrow' nonsense that austerity measures are designed to OVERCOME AND REPAIR.

You should now rethink your Leftie idiocy. If, in fact, you can. Conservatives are, first and foremost, REALISTS -- we will do what we MUST to win the day. We have our ideological preferences, and we are true to them to the best of our abilities ... BUT ... we aren't blind to the demands of the real world.



Sir Drummond. Risking repeating myself here. fj can't help it. You will never convince him about anything. His Obama mind slows down his fj butt.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Sir Drummond. Risking repeating myself here. fj can't help it. You will never convince him about anything. His Obama mind slows down his fj butt.

:clap: :beer: :beer: -Tyr

[fj1200]

:clap: :beer: :beer: -Tyr

So you let the banana do your fighting for you? :unsure:

[Drummond]

:facepalm99: Was there anything in that post that didn't prove you to be a lying sack? Because you are one dumb-ass idiot. And a hypocrite to boot. Your failure is already detailed in the previously mentioned thread... and all the other threads that you ran away from.

Pure blather, and clear evidence that you prefer propagandist stances to realism.

FACT - our Austerity programme has NOT been abandoned, and its continuation will be a cornerstone of the Conservative strategy after their successful election in a couple of months' time.

FACT - we're doing particularly well in the EU collection of Nation States. The UK is light years away from Greece's fiscal meltdown.

FACT - tax relaxations of any description result in a loss of revenue. This, if it's to be attempted (I wonder how many times I must state the obvious ??) HAS TO BE AFFORDED. If it's not, then you create a black hole in the economy that will have its own dire consequences to any comparatively weak economy.

We're a couple of months away from a General Election. That political Parties will indulge in measures designed to win them votes is pretty much a 'given'. From now until the next Parliament, the conduct of every Party needs to be viewed with this firmly in mind.

[Drummond]

Sir Drummond. Risking repeating myself here. fj can't help it. You will never convince him about anything. His Obama mind slows down his fj butt.

So very true, Aboutime !! :clap::clap::clap::clap::laugh::laugh::beer:

[fj1200]

More proof you can't read what I post because you're a complete moron who posts based on what his ignorant imagination tells him.


Pure blather, and clear evidence that you prefer propagandist stances to realism.

FACT - our Austerity programme has NOT been abandoned, and its continuation will be a cornerstone of the Conservative strategy after their successful election in a couple of months' time.

FACT - we're doing particularly well in the EU collection of Nation States. The UK is light years away from Greece's fiscal meltdown.

FACT - tax relaxations of any description result in a loss of revenue. This, if it's to be attempted (I wonder how many times I must state the obvious ??) HAS TO BE AFFORDED. If it's not, then you create a black hole in the economy that will have its own dire consequences to any comparatively weak economy.

We're a couple of months away from a General Election. That political Parties will indulge in measures designed to win them votes is pretty much a 'given'. From now until the next Parliament, the conduct of every Party needs to be viewed with this firmly in mind.

Pay attention this time you idiot.

MYTH - Osborne cut taxes in '12 which is the abandonment of austerity as I defined it. If you want to have a separate definition go right ahead but it would be helpful if you'd stop being a lying sack.

FACT - Because of tax cuts and abandoning austerity as I defined it. Good on ya Osborne.

MYTH - I can demonstrate ad nauseum that tax rates do not determine tax revenues in the United States, I'm pretty sure economics is similar across the pond even if idiots like you do not know what conservatism is.

I hope the conservatives win and are successful in passing true conservative principles in the UK. Along with a whole mess of tax cuts.

[Drummond]

More proof you can't read what I post because you're a complete moron who posts based on what his ignorant imagination tells him.



Pay attention this time you idiot.

MYTH - Osborne cut taxes in '12 which is the abandonment of austerity as I defined it. If you want to have a separate definition go right ahead but it would be helpful if you'd stop being a lying sack.

FACT - Because of tax cuts and abandoning austerity as I defined it. Good on ya Osborne.

MYTH - I can demonstrate ad nauseum that tax rates do not determine tax revenues in the United States, I'm pretty sure economics is similar across the pond even if idiots like you do not know what conservatism is.

I hope the conservatives win and are successful in passing true conservative principles in the UK. Along with a whole mess of tax cuts.

Why would I care less about how YOU define 'austerity' ? I much prefer dealing with the truth of the matter, which involves our own Government's application of it, according to what they view its requirements to be.

Austerity measures have been applied throughout the lifetime of this current Government, and neither HAVE been, nor WILL be, abandoned to fit in with YOUR preferred variation of what YOU think they should be (!!!!). If you want to imagine the abandonment of such a programme, you are in a minority of one in that.

As for your 'myth', theoretically you might have a point. After all, a high taxation rate might only be incurred by a very few (.. for example). Nonetheless, HERE, it's a well known fact that tax hikes that mean a damn will be those which the vast majority of the taxpaying population pay. Osborne will naturally have his chief focus on that group if he's to do anything meaningful for the economy, or his own Party's fortunes .. be it tax hike, or tax reduction.

As for your 'hope' that the Conservatives win here ... naturally I don't believe a word of it. Were our Conservatives to behave as YOU want them to, they'd be immediately attacked by the media and their opposition alike for suddenly behaving fiscally irresponsibly, and in defiance of established policy. Abandoning austerity measures before our recovery is complete and consolidated by a strong trading and manufacturing base (to say nothing for trading fears, stoked up on the back of a possible 'no' vote in a promised referendum on EU membership) would be tantamount to committing political suicide .. which, of course, is your REAL wish for them.

Be honest and admit as much - LEFTIE.

[aboutime]

Why would I care less about how YOU define 'austerity' ? I much prefer dealing with the truth of the matter, which involves our own Government's application of it, according to what they view its requirements to be.

Austerity measures have been applied throughout the lifetime of this current Government, and neither HAVE been, nor WILL be, abandoned to fit in with YOUR preferred variation of what YOU think they should be (!!!!). If you want to imagine the abandonment of such a programme, you are in a minority of one in that.

As for your 'myth', theoretically you might have a point. After all, a high taxation rate might only be incurred by a very few (.. for example). Nonetheless, HERE, it's a well known fact that tax hikes that mean a damn will be those which the vast majority of the taxpaying population pay. Osborne will naturally have his chief focus on that group if he's to do anything meaningful for the economy, or his own Party's fortunes .. be it tax hike, or tax reduction.

As for your 'hope' that the Conservatives win here ... naturally I don't believe a word of it. Were our Conservatives to behave as YOU want them to, they'd be immediately attacked by the media and their opposition alike for suddenly behaving fiscally irresponsibly, and in defiance of established policy. Abandoning austerity measures before our recovery is complete and consolidated by a strong trading and manufacturing base (to say nothing for trading fears, stoked up on the back of a possible 'no' vote in a promised referendum on EU membership) would be tantamount to committing political suicide .. which, of course, is your REAL wish for them.

Be honest and admit as much - LEFTIE.



Sir Drummond. This stuff with fj has gotten old. Every time I see one of his posts. It instantly reminds me how terribly miserable his lonely life must be. Always feeling so much more superior to everyone else by lowering his invisible standards of humanity (of which there are none) by instantly using the name calling, liberal techniques only DNC(Democrat national comm) wannabe members have been brainwashed, and convinced to always use to distract, and redirect attention from their perpetual ignorance.

[fj1200]

Why would I care less about how YOU define 'austerity' ? :blah:

Austerity measures have been applied throughout the lifetime of this current Government, and neither HAVE been, nor WILL be, abandoned to fit in with YOUR preferred variation of what YOU think they should be (!!!!). :blah:

As for your 'myth', theoretically you might have a point. After all, a high taxation rate might only be incurred by a very few (.. for example). Nonetheless, HERE, it's a well known fact that tax hikes that mean a damn will be those which the vast majority of the taxpaying population pay. Osborne will naturally have his chief focus on that group if he's to do anything meaningful for the economy, or his own Party's fortunes .. be it tax hike, or tax reduction.

As for your 'hope' that the Conservatives win here ... naturally I don't believe a word of it. :blah: .. which, of course, is your REAL wish for them.

Be honest and admit as much - LEFTIE.

More proof that you are one stupid idiot. Thinking, educated, rational people define terms so that everyone knows what is being discussed. Morons like you ignore anything that doesn't gibe with your imagination and allows you to rant like a loon.

Austerity prior to tax cuts wasn't working, austerity' after tax cuts was working. It all works so well to prove out what I am trying to tell you. If you weren't such a prattling fool you'd recognize the difference.

There is no myth that tax cuts spur investment. I'd prove it to you but I'm pretty sure that your so beholden to your incredible naivete that it would be pointless. I can show you graphs, numbers, you name it to prove my point. But I'm pretty sure that you would be to damn prideful to be able to look at the issues with a hint of rational thought. You would just continue to whine like a moron with your head in the sand.

I own you in any sort of rational debate because when all is said and done you have nothing left but to scream, "aack leftie!" like a mindless drone. But please give us more defenses against tax cuts that sound like our domestic Democrats. See, your knucklehead friends are no friends at all to you because they leave you hanging to twist in the wind and look like a fool. But never fear though, I'm sure the banana will come to your aid... which is rather sad for you isn't it?

[aboutime]

More proof that you are one stupid idiot. Thinking, educated, rational people define terms so that everyone knows what is being discussed. Morons like you ignore anything that doesn't gibe with your imagination and allows you to rant like a loon.

Austerity prior to tax cuts wasn't working, austerity' after tax cuts was working. It all works so well to prove out what I am trying to tell you. If you weren't such a prattling fool you'd recognize the difference.

There is no myth that tax cuts spur investment. I'd prove it to you but I'm pretty sure that your so beholden to your incredible naivete that it would be pointless. I can show you graphs, numbers, you name it to prove my point. But I'm pretty sure that you would be to damn prideful to be able to look at the issues with a hint of rational thought. You would just continue to whine like a moron with your head in the sand.

I own you in any sort of rational debate because when all is said and done you have nothing left but to scream, "aack leftie!" like a mindless drone. But please give us more defenses against tax cuts that sound like our domestic Democrats. See, your knucklehead friends are no friends at all to you because they leave you hanging to twist in the wind and look like a fool. But never fear though, I'm sure the banana will come to your aid... which is rather sad for you isn't it?

Thanking fj for proving, once again. How threatened he is by hearing the truth.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Thanking fj for proving, once again. How threatened he is by hearing the truth.

Careful now my friend. The fj thinks you are a banana! :laugh:

Do not interfere in his fruit fantasy, you know how those fruity guys get.. :laugh:-Tyr

[fj1200]

:blabla:

Hiding behind the banana again?

And you do know that your idiot friend makes Democrat arguments don't you?

[Drummond]

Hiding behind the banana again?

And you do know that your idiot friend makes Democrat arguments don't you?

... sorry ... WHAT ?

You profess to be Tyr's friend ?

FJ ... YOU are the one who has long since been arguing an 'anti-austerity' line. This is fully in agreement with the BRITISH LABOUR PARTY'S argumentation on the subject, who've fought the Coalition programme consistently since its inception.

This is despite the well-known fact that it was Labour's reckless irresponsibility which made our economy so unfit to weather the financial storm circa 2008.

Conservative realists have been administering some highly unpleasant, BUT ENTIRELY NECESSARY, medicine to cure our ills. The extent of Labour's damage have made it a very difficult task. But, realistic remedies, though needing much time to work, DO win through if given enough of a chance.

It is the application of that remedy over a period of years which has succeeded, and IS succeeding.

You think that tax cuts created the success ? What ... with such a sudden effect ?? It takes YEARS to have solutions feed through to have their desired effect. If we believed you, though, we'd all believe that fiscal miracles happen within a nearly instantaneous timeframe ..... :laugh:

No, FJ .. be honest. You attacked British Conservatives, just BECAUSE IT'S WHAT YOU DO.

[fj1200]

... sorry ... WHAT ?

You are one stupid idiot and a liar to boot. I don't "attack" anyone. Pointing out that you have the same position as Democrats and RINOs is not attacking, it's pointing out truth. "Tax cuts need to be afforded." "Tax cuts won't do any good if everyone doesn't get it." I've just paraphrased you and Democrats.

You could also point out where I've posted "fully in agreement" with Labour and where I "attacked" British Conservatives. As I recall Labour's plan pretty much sucked.

[Drummond]

You are one stupid idiot and a liar to boot. I don't "attack" anyone. Pointing out that you have the same position as Democrats and RINOs is not attacking, it's pointing out truth. "Tax cuts need to be afforded." "Tax cuts won't do any good if everyone doesn't get it." I've just paraphrased you and Democrats.

You could also point out where I've posted "fully in agreement" with Labour and where I "attacked" British Conservatives. As I recall Labour's plan pretty much sucked.

This is getting to be so ridiculous that it's barely worth arguing any further.

This is one of many threads on DP which features your attacks on Conservatives !! Anyone reading your stuff couldn't reasonably conclude otherwise.

Tax cuts DO need to be afforded. It's truth, pure & simple. Reduce peoples' liability to taxation, and you reduce incoming revenue. Either that creates a black hole in the economy, OR, it's afforded by other means !!

A weak, recovering economy CANNOT afford such a 'black hole' .. !!!! What could be clearer, any more obvious ???? So, since Conservatives are realists (.. and in a manner which you, and our Labour Party, are evidently NOT ..) ... you refuse to recognise what's staring you in the face, which was - and is - that they'll do whatever it takes to fix a broken economy.

Unpleasant medicine doesn't cease to be medicine, because it's unpleasant ..

You have attacked their methodology. So has Labour. You, like them, argue for austerity's ending, when that CANNOT be afforded. You, like them, ignore fiscal realities and want to see money extracted from an economy REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT CAN BE AFFORDED.

Labour created our mess. Our Conservatives have worked to remedy that. You have ATTACKED them for their efforts.

And that's all I need say. You profess not to see eye-to-eye with our Socialists ? OK ... then stop siding with them.

[fj1200]

This is getting to be so ridiculous that it's barely worth arguing any further.

Yes, you failing to prove your lies is usually where you give up. This is where you are currently failing.


You could also point out where I've posted "fully in agreement" with Labour and where I "attacked" British Conservatives.

Rise to the challenge or admit your wrong. Or cop out; that's the usual outcome. Conservatives understand economics, you don't. What works? See Reagan in '81. See '94 Republican Congress. They didn't succumb to ridiculous "black hole"/must be afforded BS, they knew that to stimulate the economy tax cuts were the way to go.

[Drummond]

Yes, you failing to prove your lies is usually where you give up. This is where you are currently failing.

... Like, your lie about how the British economy was heading in the same general direction as Greece's .. ?


Rise to the challenge or admit your wrong.

Labour is strongly against our Conservatives' austerity measures. Do you now claim NOT to be ?


Conservatives understand economics, you don't

Correct. Our Conservatives DO. They've been proving it through their methodology since 2010.

And you've been defying their expertise.


What works? See Reagan in '81. See '94 Republican Congress. They didn't succumb to ridiculous "black hole"/must be afforded BS, they knew that to stimulate the economy tax cuts were the way to go.

The US economy can withstand blows to it which smaller economies cannot. But you, as the 'conservative' that you are NOT, totally fail to grasp that.

Tax cuts may very well achieve the long term benefits you have in mind. I'm not trying to deny it. BUT, what happens in the interim, while the 'black hole' persists ?

The US economy can shrug off such worries. Smaller economies cannot. THAT is the big and crucial difference.

But, you couldn't care less about any of that. Attacking our Conservatives is all you've cared to do, at the expense of wider realities.

[fj1200]

... Like, your lie about how the British economy was heading in the same general direction as Greece's .. ?

Labour is strongly against our Conservatives' austerity measures. Do you now claim NOT to be ?

Correct. Our Conservatives DO. They've been proving it through their methodology since 2010.

And you've been defying their expertise.

The US economy can withstand blows to it which smaller economies cannot. But you, as the 'conservative' that you are NOT, totally fail to grasp that.

Tax cuts may very well achieve the long term benefits you have in mind. I'm not trying to deny it. BUT, what happens in the interim, while the 'black hole' persists ?

The US economy can shrug off such worries. Smaller economies cannot. THAT is the big and crucial difference.

But, you couldn't care less about any of that. Attacking our Conservatives is all you've cared to do, at the expense of wider realities.

It's not a lie to make a prediction you blinkered idiot. One I'm happy to say won't come to fruition because of the embracing of tax cuts.

Your failure is showing again. I said point out where I'm "fully in agreement." I'm happy the UK finally instituted tax cuts, I'm guessing Labour is not "fully in agreement." So go ahead and admit you're wrong.

I said "you don't understand economics." Osborne appears to have a better handle on things since he decided to cut taxes. That expertise I applaud because they have been proving it. Since 2012 though. ;)

Your "smaller economies" argument is a load of crap. Let alone that ridiculous 'black hole' argument. The laws of economics aren't radically different based on the size of the country. But way to deflect that you have Democrat arguments.

You've also failed to point out me "attacking" your British conservatives. Admit you're wrong fool.

[Drummond]

It's not a lie to make a prediction you blinkered idiot.

It is, when that 'prediction' is supported ONLY by your continued attack on our Conservatives, and AGAINST all the emerging evidence of how the UK's economy was beginning to undergo a RECOVERY !


One I'm happy to say won't come to fruition because of the embracing of tax cuts.

You're mucking about with context, not to mention the proper chronology. Our Conservatives had no intention of instituting any form of tax cut, FOR AS LONG AS THE ECONOMY WAS TOO WEAK TO TAKE THE EXPENDITURE REQUIRED. And, neither DID they.


I'm happy the UK finally instituted tax cuts

See the comment just made.

YOU wanted such cuts BEFORE there was a possibility of them being affordable, and it's this brand of recklessness that reflects Labour's former own recklessness.


I'm guessing Labour is not "fully in agreement." So go ahead and admit you're wrong.

Labour will never agree with anything the Conservatives do ... because their mission is one of perpetual one-upmanship against their opposition. Labour doesn't care that their version of it has no honour to it. This is because they're Socialist trash.


I said "you don't understand economics." Osborne appears to have a better handle on things since he decided to cut taxes. That expertise I applaud because they have been proving it. Since 2012 though. ;)

Putting it another way, you've been in DISagreement with our Conservatives since they STARTED their austerity programme (IN 2010), and you've maintained that disagreement for as long as they've been instituting the conditions from which our economy has had the basis for recovery.

HOW VERY LEFT WING OF YOU.

You only see room for agreement with them when they take an action which defies their former 'Thatcheresque' fiscal prudence.

HOW VERY UN-THATCHERITE OF YOU.


Your "smaller economies" argument is a load of crap. Let alone that ridiculous 'black hole' argument. The laws of economics aren't radically different based on the size of the country. But way to deflect that you have Democrat arguments.

Seriously .. you think that stronger and richer economies don't have a better capacity to ride out fiscal shortfalls ??

That defies all logic.

Imagine Greece's Government deciding to suspend taxation to its citizens, and thus to forego ALL of the revenue it could bring them. You think, seriously, that Greece will find its fortunes IMPROVING through LOSING a much-needed source of income ???


You've also failed to point out me "attacking" your British conservatives. Admit you're wrong fool.

You DENY disapproving of their chief 2010 economic manifesto pledge, and doing so at enormous length .. predicting a 'doom and gloom' outcome from it, IN DEFIANCE OF TRUTH ?

[aboutime]

Careful now my friend. The fj thinks you are a banana! :laugh:

Do not interfere in his fruit fantasy, you know how those fruity guys get.. :laugh:-Tyr


Tyr. Not concerned, or worried about fj at all. I've stated my feelings about him many times. Never lied once about him. And he has never Once, proven any of my statements about him...to be false.

Broken records just keep on thumpin' along. That's how fj sounds, and everyone should just let him go.

[fj1200]

It is, when that 'prediction' is supported ONLY by your continued attack on our Conservatives, and AGAINST all the emerging evidence of how the UK's economy was beginning to undergo a RECOVERY !

Listen up idiot. I didn't attack British Conservatives, I pointed out that they chose a poor plan and pointed out why. The problem with austerity is that it doesn't work, cutting spending and raising taxes does not work and I demonstrated it as did the Brits because of their perpetual extending of austerity... until they went the tax cut route that is.


You're mucking about with context, not to mention the proper chronology. Our Conservatives had no intention of instituting any form of tax cut, FOR AS LONG AS THE ECONOMY WAS TOO WEAK TO TAKE THE EXPENDITURE REQUIRED. And, neither DID they.

Thank you for bolding a stupid comment.


See the comment just made.

YOU wanted such cuts BEFORE there was a possibility of them being affordable, and it's this brand of recklessness that reflects Labour's former own recklessness.

Affordable? You sound like a Democrat you moron. Conservatives, real ones anyway, understand supply-side economics.


Labour will never agree with anything the Conservatives do ... because their mission is one of perpetual one-upmanship against their opposition. Labour doesn't care that their version of it has no honour to it. This is because they're Socialist trash.

I really don't care what Labour does.


Putting it another way, you've been in DISagreement with our Conservatives since they STARTED their austerity programme (IN 2010), and you've maintained that disagreement for as long as they've been instituting the conditions from which our economy has had the basis for recovery.

HOW VERY LEFT WING OF YOU.

You only see room for agreement with them when they take an action which defies their former 'Thatcheresque' fiscal prudence.

HOW VERY UN-THATCHERITE OF YOU.

This is where you turn into a lying sack. I obviously disagree with austerity but I fully agree with their tax cuts. If you weren't such an honourless, incompetent fool you'd recognize the truth. But you're too stupid to admit when you're wrong.


Seriously .. you think that stronger and richer economies don't have a better capacity to ride out fiscal shortfalls ??

That defies all logic.

Imagine Greece's Government deciding to suspend taxation to its citizens, and thus to forego ALL of the revenue it could bring them. You think, seriously, that Greece will find its fortunes IMPROVING through LOSING a much-needed source of income ???

What kind of idiot are you? Who suggested that anyone "suspend taxation"? It takes someone as stupid as you to make that sort of argument. The UK economy with a $2 1/2 TT GDP, interests rates around 3% and falling back then, and a AAA rating could ride out a middling shortfall to encourage a stronger economy.


You DENY disapproving of their chief 2010 economic manifesto pledge, and doing so at enormous length .. predicting a 'doom and gloom' outcome from it, IN DEFIANCE OF TRUTH ?

I reiterate my stance.


You've also failed to point out me "attacking" your British conservatives. Admit you're wrong fool.

You're nothing but a cop out.

[Drummond]

Listen up idiot. I didn't attack British Conservatives, I pointed out that they chose a poor plan and pointed out why. The problem with austerity is that it doesn't work, cutting spending and raising taxes does not work and I demonstrated it as did the Brits because of their perpetual extending of austerity... until they went the tax cut route that is.

Simply bizarre. You say you 'didn't attack British Conservatives', and then go on to describe the basics of your attack !!

Our Conservatives made their austerity programme central to their entire five year term in office. They are still committed to making it work. You, however, have done your utmost to rubbish it all, choosing instead suggestions which far more resemble the extent of recklessness that Labour prefer. You and Labour oppose it equally strongly.

You oppose the Conservative plan, telling untruths about its so-called 'lack' of viability, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN A SUCCESS. And you won't acknowledge how wrong you've been ... again, just like your Socialist chums.


Affordable? You sound like a Democrat you moron. Conservatives, real ones anyway, understand supply-side economics.

Conservatives don't go around recklessly wrecking weak economies. They face the realities involved. You, and Socialists, do not.


I really don't care what Labour does.

Yet your mindsets are so very similar ???


This is where you turn into a lying sack. I obviously disagree with austerity

... despite how central it's been to Conservative strategy in the UK. EXACTLY.


but I fully agree with their tax cuts. If you weren't such an honourless, incompetent fool you'd recognize the truth. But you're too stupid to admit when you're wrong.

Austerity HAS WORKED. Hence how any tax cuts have been AT ALL affordable.

And we have an election looming. I'm sure such tax cuts are an election sweetener. And are indulged in, in order to put the Conservatives back on track, following an election victory.


What kind of idiot are you?

The kind who stupidly thinks that commonsense can have the slightest impact on you.

[fj1200]

Simply bizarre. You say you 'didn't attack British Conservatives', and then go on to describe the basics of your attack !!

Our Conservatives made their austerity programme central to their entire five year term in office. They are still committed to making it work. You, however, have done your utmost to rubbish it all, choosing instead suggestions which far more resemble the extent of recklessness that Labour prefer. You and Labour oppose it equally strongly.

You oppose the Conservative plan, telling untruths about its so-called 'lack' of viability, EVEN THOUGH IT'S BEEN A SUCCESS. And you won't acknowledge how wrong you've been ... again, just like your Socialist chums.

I didn't attack you blinkered idiot, I expressed a different opinion. My opinion which was proved correct and now Osborne embraces tax cuts; good on him and the Conservatives. You are one dumb-*** idiot to keep going down that road.


Conservatives don't go around recklessly wrecking weak economies. They face the realities involved. You, and Socialists, do not.

Just like Reagan recklessly weakened the US economy in the early 80's. History owns your viewpoint you mindless moron.


Yet your mindsets are so very similar ???

Only to complete and utter fools like you who have no idea how to read and let themselves be led around by their incompetent imaginations.


... despite how central it's been to Conservative strategy in the UK. EXACTLY.

My god you're frigging stupid. You don't even understand what your own country is doing. Are you even British? I've always considered Brits to be smarter than your average bear but you are a complete fool.


Austerity HAS WORKED. Hence how any tax cuts have been AT ALL affordable.

And we have an election looming. I'm sure such tax cuts are an election sweetener. And are indulged in, in order to put the Conservatives back on track, following an election victory.

:blah: You keep droning on with the same mindless crap I've already refuted. Tell us again how Reagan wasn't a conservative.


The kind who stupidly thinks that commonsense can have the slightest impact on you.

You don't know a whit about common sense. You can't even back up your own ignorant statements. Admit you're wrong you idiot.