A look at the reluctance to call out radical Islam

[Jeff]

It's time to realize who our enemy is, it is not just a few extremist, we are seeing trouble all over the world. These folks want to live peacefully once they annihilate all that are not or will not convert to Muslim. It is time to call a spade a spade and stand up to them, all this politically correct trash is getting people killed as the enemy digs in deeper, yes we are at war and it is time for our leaders to realize it !!


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[Drummond]

It's time to realize who our enemy is, it is not just a few extremist, we are seeing trouble all over the world. These folks want to live peacefully once they annihilate all that are not or will not convert to Muslim. It is time to call a spade a spade and stand up to them, all this politically correct trash is getting people killed as the enemy digs in deeper, yes we are at war and it is time for our leaders to realize it !!


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As good a point as this is, however important in its own right, there's more to consider than just recognising the nature of an enemy.

I've seen in my own country how the Left works to manipulate perceptions, to demonise those out of sync with it. Here, criticise Muslims openly, and you can be branded racist or worse. These days, our laws favour Muslims to an incredible degree.

The Law Society, in the UK, went so far as to help promote Sharia-compliant wills .. important, because full acceptance of this as reasonable practice opened up the way for a dual legal system, one overly disposed to deferring to Sharia Law. And, once THAT is fully recognised as acceptable, surely a lot of the groundwork for Sharia Law to ultimately dominate would have been put in place ?

Here's a report on it, as was true several months ago:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html


Islamic law is to be effectively enshrined in the British legal system for the first time under guidelines for solicitors on drawing up “Sharia compliant” wills.

Under ground-breaking guidance, produced by The Law Society, High Street solicitors will be able to write Islamic wills that deny women an equal share of inheritances and exclude unbelievers altogether.

The documents, which would be recognised by Britain’s courts, will also prevent children born out of wedlock – and even those who have been adopted – from being counted as legitimate heirs.

Anyone married in a church, or in a civil ceremony, could be excluded from succession under Sharia principles, which recognise only Muslim weddings for inheritance purposes.

Nicholas Fluck, president of The Law Society, said the guidance would promote “good practice” in applying Islamic principles in the British legal system.

It took a while to get anywhere, but this WAS faced down, with the Law Society forced to backpedal. See :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11250643/Sharia-law-guidelines-abandoned-as-Law-Society-apologises.html


The Law Society has withdrawn controversial guidelines for solicitors on how to compile “Sharia compliant” wills amid complaints that they encouraged discrimination against women and non-Muslims.

Andrew Caplen, president of the society, apologised and said the criticism had been taken on board.

It follows a storm of protest after The Telegraph disclosed in March that the society had issued a practice note to solicitors effectively enshrining aspects of Islamic law in the British legal system.

The guidelines advised High Street solicitors on how to write Islamic wills in a way that would be recognised by courts in England and Wales. They set out principles which meant that women could be denied an equal share of inheritances while unbelievers could be excluded altogether.

Mr Caplen’s predecessor as president, Nicholas Fluck, strongly resisted criticism of the guidelines when details were published in March. But in a short statement the society said it now had decided to withdraw them in light of “feedback” from the public and lawyers themselves.

"Our practice note was intended to support members to better serve their clients as far as is allowed by the law of England and Wales,” said Mr Caplen.
"We reviewed the note in the light of criticism.

“We have withdrawn the note and we are sorry."

More to the point of your post, though, and showing that the above probably amounts to an empty victory ...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/new-uk-law-would-ban-critics-of-sharia-from-broadcasting-protesting-or-even-posting-messages-on-facebook


New UK law would ban critics of Sharia from broadcasting, protesting or even posting messages on Facebook

The last free person in Britain, if there is one, might as well turn out the lights. If this becomes law, Britain is finished as a free society. As the law would also forbid opposition to gay marriage, it would be interesting to see what would happen if a proponent of Sharia protested against gay marriage — but Muslim groups are largely for it, since it opens the door to the legalization of polygamy.

In any case, future free historians, if there are any, will look back at David Cameron and Theresa May as essentially saboteurs and traitors who administered the coup de grace to their own nation as a free society. If Britain were still a sane society, as soon as this law was suggested there would have been a no-confidence vote and the Conservative government would have fallen — followed by the arrest of Cameron and May and criminal proceedings against them. Instead, Britain appears prepared to go quietly, although civil war still very likely looms in its future.

“Sharia law or gay marriage critics would be branded ‘extremists’ under Tory plans, atheists and Christians warn,” by John Bingham, the Telegraph, October 31, 2014:

Anyone who criticises Sharia law or gay marriage could be branded an “extremist” under sweeping new powers planned by the Conservatives to combat terrorism, an alliance of leading atheists and Christians fear.

Theresa May, the Home Secretary, unveiled plans last month for so-called Extremism Disruption Orders, which would allow judges to ban people deemed extremists from broadcasting, protesting in certain places or even posting messages on Facebook or Twitter without permission.

Mrs May outlined the proposal in a speech at the Tory party conference in which she spoke about the threat from the so-called Islamic State – also known as Isis and Isil – and the Nigerian Islamist movement Boko Haram.

But George Osborne, the Chancellor, has made clear in a letter to constituents that the aim of the orders would be to “eliminate extremism in all its forms” and that they would be used to curtail the activities of those who “spread hate but do not break laws”.

He explained that that the new orders, which will be in the Conservative election manifesto, would extend to any activities that “justify hatred” against people on the grounds of religion, sexual orientation, gender or disability.

The obvious problem with this is that Leftists and Islamic supremacists constantly advance the false claim that opposition to jihad terror and Islamic supremacism is justifying hatred against people, and the Cameron government clearly endorses this view — hence the ban on Pamela Geller and me. So this law will be used to curtail any opposition to the advance of Sharia in the UK.

It's interesting, isn't it ? Under this legislation, would my own posting here, as I do, be deemed an illegal act, from the standpoint of my own country's laws ?

The more people listen to 'bleeding heart' Leftie types, telling us all how much it's our duty to show 'an enlightened tolerance' to Islamists, the greater their freedom to create a climate where what we NOW see evolving in Britain, takes its place in other Societies.

We've been sold the lie that 'Islam is a religion of peace', that any Islamist deviating from that perception must be 'extremist', 'divorced from mainstream Islam' entirely. Attitudes have been governed, sold to us, and we are required to comply with the lies that result, in deed, in belief, AND in consequent behaviour.

And to hell with the TRUTH.

Islam is invasive. Its aim is conquest. With the Left as willing enablers, they chip away at any freedom to recognise its dangers for what they really are.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

As good a point as this is, however important in its own right, there's more to consider than just recognising the nature of an enemy.

I've seen in my own country how the Left works to manipulate perceptions, to demonise those out of sync with it. Here, criticise Muslims openly, and you can be branded racist or worse. These days, our laws favour Muslims to an incredible degree.

The Law Society, in the UK, went so far as to help promote Sharia-compliant wills .. important, because full acceptance of this as reasonable practice opened up the way for a dual legal system, one overly disposed to deferring to Sharia Law. And, once THAT is fully recognised as acceptable, surely a lot of the groundwork for Sharia Law to ultimately dominate would have been put in place ?

Here's a report on it, as was true several months ago:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html



It took a while to get anywhere, but this WAS faced down, with the Law Society forced to backpedal. See :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11250643/Sharia-law-guidelines-abandoned-as-Law-Society-apologises.html



More to the point of your post, though ...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/new-uk-law-would-ban-critics-of-sharia-from-broadcasting-protesting-or-even-posting-messages-on-facebook



The more people listen to 'bleeding heart' Lefties, telling us all how much it's our duty to show 'an enlightened tolerance' to Islamists, the greater their freedom to create a climate where what we NOW see evolving in Britain, takes its place in other Societies.

We've been sold the lie that 'Islam is a religion of peace', that any Islamist deviating from that perception must be 'extremist', 'divorced from mainstream Islam' entirely. Attitudes have been governed, sold to us, and we are required to comply with the lies that result, in deed, in belief, AND in consequent behaviour.

And to hell with the TRUTH.

Islam is invasive. Its aim is conquest. With the Left as willing enablers, they chip away at any freedom to recognise its dangers for what they really are.
Sad to say but Britain is doomed. The reason why is its already far, far past the stage where it should have started a very, very massive muslim deportation campaign. One designed to force away every muslim, every damn one of the enemy.
Since it will continue to refuse to act for its very survival--it shall not survive!!!
That's not speculation that is naked reality and born of historic events that history reveals of how Islam conquers and expands its territory.
At least nations and peoples from centuries ago fought back, we seem to think that these ffing animals can be reasoned with and they play on that grand folly!
They play it to gain , time power, strength and further weaken their intended victims!
USA must force Obama away as soon as possible because he works entirely for the Islamists. He actively strives to help them establish their much sought after muslim Caliphate...
Once they get that we'll see action in every nation on earth to force all non-muslims into either 1.full conversion, 2.slavery or 3. death.
Only those choices exist and they favor giving out number 3!!!!-Tyr

[Drummond]

Sad to say but Britain is doomed. The reason why is its already far, far past the stage where it should have started a very, very massive muslim deportation campaign. One designed to force away every muslim, every damn one of the enemy.
Since it will continue to refuse to act for its very survival--it shall not survive!!!
That's not speculation that is naked reality and born of historic events that history reveals of how Islam conquers and expands its territory.
At least nations and peoples from centuries ago fought back, we seem to think that these ffing animals can be reasoned with and they play on that grand folly!
They play it to gain , time power, strength and further weaken their intended victims!
USA must force Obama away as soon as possible because he works entirely for the Islamists. He actively strives to help them establish their much sought after muslim Caliphate...
Once they get that we'll see action in every nation on earth to force all non-muslims into either 1.full conversion, 2.slavery or 3. death.
Only those choices exist and they favor giving out number 3!!!!-Tyr

All of what you say is true -- of course.

But there's an underlying factor behind all of this - which is the Left's 'terraforming' of public perceptions over the years. A considerable number of British people won't even THINK of resisting what's happening, because over the years, they've been conditioned into taking attitudes and beliefs on board which they now believe are the only 'right' ones to continue with.

Resist Sharia Law .. and are you showing intolerance to others' beliefs ? Are you a 'bigot' for not falling down and playing dead ? Are you a racist if you want your own nation's identity to survive, uncorrupted by invasion ?? It's ALL THIS which our Socialists have worked hard to establish, and now, in the name of 'enlightenment', even our CONSERVATIVES are playing ball.

This is why it's so very dangerous to even permit language describing terrorists as 'extremist' and as 'radicalised', because the perception follows that no Islamic terrorist represents 'real' Islam. Thus, even despite all the murders, all the savageries, people refuse to recognise the truth of that FOR WHAT IT IS.

Thus .. Islam 'is not a danger', and 'should' be deferred to. And .. cue the above surrender, to what was ALWAYS a movement hell-bent on conquest.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Big D, my suggestion is if you are still in Britain, you had best relocate and do so very soon!
USA, Australia, Scotland, Ireland OR ANY PLACE EXCEPT BRITAIN AND FRANCE AS NEITHER ONE HAS THE GONADS TO START MASSIVE DEPORTATION CAMPAIGNS AND/OR SHOOT ALL THE MUSLIM RADICALS THAT FIGHT BACK.

Sad reality but you had best consider it, as unarmed and alone, you'll not survived there very long!
I am deadly serious with this advice!!!
I suggest Southern USA AS WE ARE GUN LOVING REDNECKS!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
So many of us born and raised to handle guns with expert abilities.
Far, far more than any other section of USA..
JUST ABOUT EVERY BOY I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH IN MY AREA WAS TRAINED TO SHOOT AT LEAST TO HUNT BUT MANY OF US WAS TRAINED WELL PAST JUST THE HUNTING ABILITY!
Myself, I spent over 50 continuous years training. I know that I have bought and shot well over a 100,000 rounds in that time.
Expert in pistol, rifle, shotgun and bow. Also trained with knife and tomahawk.
Most Southern men have gun training unlike the majority of the rest of the nation.
That's why we are ridiculed far more by leftists, liberals and other asshats..
We are far more prepared than any other region in this nation!!!!!
Over 90% of my friends own not one but several guns with over half owning over a dozen guns...
And we are proud of it.......

Word for today!! RELOCATE!!! -Tyr

[Drummond]

Big D, my suggestion is if you are still in Britain, you had best relocate and do so very soon!
USA, Australia, Scotland, Ireland OR ANY PLACE EXCPT BRITAIN AND FRANCE AS NEITHER ONE HAS THE GONADS TO START MASSIVE DEPORTATION CAMPAIGNS AND/OR SHOOT ALL THE MUSLIM RADICALS THAT FIGHT BACK.

Sad reality but you had best consider it, as unarmed and alone, you'll not survived there very long!
I am deadly serious with this advice!!!
I suggest Southern USA AS WE ARE GUN LOVING REDNECKS!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
So many of us born and raised to handle guns with expert abilities.
Far, far more than any other section of USA..
JUST ABOUT EVERY BOY I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH IN MY AREA WAS TRAINED TO SHOOT AT LEAST TO HUNT BUT MAY OF US WAS TRAINED WELL PAST JUST THE HUTING ABILITY!
Myself, I spent over 50 continuous years training. I know that I have bought and shot well over a 100,000 rounds in that time.
Expert in pistol, rifle, shotgun and bow. Also trained with knife and tomahawk.
Most Southern men have gun training unlike the majority of the rest of the nation.
That's why we are ridiculed far more by leftists, liberals and other asshats..
We are far more prepared than any other region in this nation!!!!!
Over 90% of my friends own not one but several guns with over half owning over a dozen guns...
And we are proud of it....... -Tyr

Thanks for the advice, Tyr - much appreciated.

To an extent, though, this reminds me of WWII. Where would occupied European countries be, today, if everyone who could've abandoned their countries, actually did so, in the face of Nazi conquest ?

And I could pitch this at a higher level. To what extent can it be right for Christians to flee in the face of an enemy religion, one containing much evil within it ?

Seems to me that running away is its own form of surrender.

[Drummond]

Amazing.

I just reloaded this page. The advert near the top of it, changed. It became an advert for 'Muslima.com', trying to push an 'international Muslim matrimonial' site !!

[Jeff]

Big D, my suggestion is if you are still in Britain, you had best relocate and do so very soon!
USA, Australia, Scotland, Ireland OR ANY PLACE EXCEPT BRITAIN AND FRANCE AS NEITHER ONE HAS THE GONADS TO START MASSIVE DEPORTATION CAMPAIGNS AND/OR SHOOT ALL THE MUSLIM RADICALS THAT FIGHT BACK.

Sad reality but you had best consider it, as unarmed and alone, you'll not survived there very long!
I am deadly serious with this advice!!!
I suggest Southern USA AS WE ARE GUN LOVING REDNECKS!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
So many of us born and raised to handle guns with expert abilities.
Far, far more than any other section of USA..
JUST ABOUT EVERY BOY I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH IN MY AREA WAS TRAINED TO SHOOT AT LEAST TO HUNT BUT MANY OF US WAS TRAINED WELL PAST JUST THE HUNTING ABILITY!
Myself, I spent over 50 continuous years training. I know that I have bought and shot well over a 100,000 rounds in that time.
Expert in pistol, rifle, shotgun and bow. Also trained with knife and tomahawk.
Most Southern men have gun training unlike the majority of the rest of the nation.
That's why we are ridiculed far more by leftists, liberals and other asshats..
We are far more prepared than any other region in this nation!!!!!
Over 90% of my friends own not one but several guns with over half owning over a dozen guns...
And we are proud of it.......

Word for today!! RELOCATE!!! -Tyr

This is great advice TYR, yes the Muslim movement is everywhere but they hit the area's that have no guns the hardest first, once they run those countries it wont be a problem to take the USA which they have already infiltrated and are digging in. Now if there buddy (Obama) could get our guns as he is trying to so hard to do it will be a cake walk for them. But yes the Muzzies just like the Libs are very afraid of the SE, we don't take trash and we know how to shoot, but the time my youngest was 9 he had shot more guns than most adults will ever see, and guess what, he hasn't gotten hurt nor has he hurt anyone else, but I can tell you if he had to use a weapon he certainly could and could out shoot many adults. This is why the big push by Obama to disarm us, he knows what is coming, he would love to see us get in a race war and be concentrating on that while the Muslims gain strength and knowledge. The world needs to realize it is time to take the trash out.



Thanks for the advice, Tyr - much appreciated.

To an extent, though, this reminds me of WWII. Where would occupied European countries be, today, if everyone who could've abandoned their countries, actually did so, in the face of Nazi conquest ?

And I could pitch this at a higher level. To what extent can it be right for Christians to flee in the face of an enemy religion, one containing much evil within it ?

Seems to me that running away is its own form of surrender.

Make no mistake this is the begining of WW3, no doubt about it, the Muslims want to live in peace and they can only do that once they have made everyone Muslim or eliminate those that refuse to convert, it's here it's now and people had better wise up or there heads just may be rolling across the streets.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Thanks for the advice, Tyr - much appreciated.

To an extent, though, this reminds me of WWII. Where would occupied European countries be, today, if everyone who could've abandoned their countries, actually did so, in the face of Nazi conquest ?

And I could pitch this at a higher level. To what extent can it be right for Christians to flee in the face of an enemy religion, one containing much evil within it ?

Seems to me that running away is its own form of surrender.

Not running away--rather a judicious retreat in order to live to fight another day!!!
Think about that my friend!!! -----:beer:-Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

`To the People of France: You now have 5 million muslims in your country and 751 sharia law controlled "no-go" zones. Places in your own country where your own police will not even enter.

`You are being OCCUPIED by an invading army. And if you think the Nazi occupation was bad, it'll pale in comparison to the muslim occupation that WILL occur. Not if ....but when. In all honesty the occupation has already started. Now is probably your only chance to take your country back.............. Good luck.`

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

`To the People of France: You now have 5 million muslims in your country and 751 sharia law controlled "no-go" zones. Places in your own country where your own police will not even enter.

`You are being OCCUPIED by an invading army. And if you think the Nazi occupation was bad, it'll pale in comparison to the muslim occupation that WILL occur. Not if ....but when. In all honesty the occupation has already started. Now is probably your only chance to take your country back.............. Good luck.`

The muslims did not obey the anti-gun laws--they have guns--military grade weapons while the poor dupes obeyed the leftist/socialist stupid-ass anti-gun laws! The leftist government will not defend the people or the nation and the actual true French citizens are unarmed thus can not!!!

And that folks is exactly the situation Obama is trying to engineer here with his anti--gun rhetoric, policies and damn illegal UN treaty shit!!--Tyr

[Kathianne]

Islam has declared their right to Sharia, for the most part Western media have surrendered, the meaning of Islam.

Meanwhile, Western 'art' continuously blasphemes Christian symbols of religion, with nary a peep.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Islam has declared their right to Sharia, for the most part Western media have surrendered, the meaning of Islam.

Meanwhile, Western 'art' continuously blasphemes Christian symbols of religion, with nary a peep.

I suffer neither fools , cowards or muslims gladly....

Our best hope is that the war starts while enough of my kind are still above ground.
Some of us understand with crystal clarity the meaning of--do or die!!!
And none of it is for the faint of heart my friend..
When trying to survive the onslaught of such savages one must become one for a time!!!
THIS KIND OF BRUTALITY SIMPLY MUST BE A MUST FOR A TIME WHEN DEALING WITH MUSLIMS..



Bombing of Dresden in World War II

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Bombing of Dresden

Part of Strategic bombing during World War II
Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1994-041-07, Dresden, zerstörtes Stadtzentrum.jpg
Dresden after the bombing raid


Date
13–15 February 1945

Location
Dresden


Belligerents

Royal Air Force and U.S. Army Air Forces Germany

Casualties and losses

22,700–25,000





Dresden, 1945, view from the city hall (Rathaus) over the destroyed city
The Bombing of Dresden was an attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, that took place in the final months of the Second World War in the European Theatre. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 722 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.[1] The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed over 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] An estimated 22,700[3] to 25,000[4] people were killed. Three more USAAF air raids followed, two occurring on 2 March and 17 April aimed at the city's railroad marshaling yard and one small raid on 17 April aimed at industrial areas.

Post-war discussion of whether or not the attacks were justified has led to the bombing becoming one of the moral causes célèbres of the war.[5]

A 1953 United States Air Force report defended the operation as the justified bombing of a military and industrial target, which was a major rail transport and communication centre, housing 110 factories and 50,000 workers in support of the German war effort.[6] Several researchers have claimed that not all of the communications infrastructure, such as the bridges, were targeted, nor were the extensive industrial areas outside the city centre.[7] Critics of the bombing argue that Dresden—sometimes referred to as "Florence on the Elbe" (Elbflorenz)—was a cultural landmark of little or no military significance, and that the attacks were indiscriminate area bombing and not proportionate to the commensurate military gains.[8][9]

WE in the west once understood this.......--Tyr



In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 722 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.[1] The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed over 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] An estimated 22,700[3] to 25,000[4] people were killed. Three more USAAF air raids followed, two occurring on 2 March and 17 April aimed at the city's railroad marshaling yard and one small raid on 17 April aimed at industrial areas.

[Kathianne]

I suffer neither fools , cowards or muslims gladly....

Our best hope is that the war starts while enough of my kind are still above ground.
Some of us understand with crystal clarity the meaning of--do or die!!!
And none of it is for the faint of heart my friend..
When trying to survive the onslaught of such savages one must become one for a time!!!
THIS KIND OF BRUTALITY SIMPLY MUST BE A MUST FOR A TIME WHEN DEALING WITH MUSLIMS..




WE in the west once understood this.......--Tyr

I disagree. The only thing necessary is for the regular folk to decree that we're no longer following the leadership. That we are going to deal with threats as they arise. It's up to those that threaten us whether they live or die.

[Perianne]

Big D, my suggestion is if you are still in Britain, you had best relocate and do so very soon!
USA, Australia, Scotland, Ireland OR ANY PLACE EXCEPT BRITAIN AND FRANCE AS NEITHER ONE HAS THE GONADS TO START MASSIVE DEPORTATION CAMPAIGNS AND/OR SHOOT ALL THE MUSLIM RADICALS THAT FIGHT BACK.

Sad reality but you had best consider it, as unarmed and alone, you'll not survived there very long!
I am deadly serious with this advice!!!
I suggest Southern USA AS WE ARE GUN LOVING REDNECKS!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:
So many of us born and raised to handle guns with expert abilities.
Far, far more than any other section of USA..
JUST ABOUT EVERY BOY I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH IN MY AREA WAS TRAINED TO SHOOT AT LEAST TO HUNT BUT MANY OF US WAS TRAINED WELL PAST JUST THE HUNTING ABILITY!
Myself, I spent over 50 continuous years training. I know that I have bought and shot well over a 100,000 rounds in that time.
Expert in pistol, rifle, shotgun and bow. Also trained with knife and tomahawk.
Most Southern men have gun training unlike the majority of the rest of the nation.
That's why we are ridiculed far more by leftists, liberals and other asshats..
We are far more prepared than any other region in this nation!!!!!
Over 90% of my friends own not one but several guns with over half owning over a dozen guns...
And we are proud of it.......

Word for today!! RELOCATE!!! -Tyr

I suggest Southern USA because Perianne lives there. :)

[Drummond]

I disagree. The only thing necessary is for the regular folk to decree that we're no longer following the leadership. That we are going to deal with threats as they arise. It's up to those that threaten us whether they live or die.

I understand the spirit which prompts your post. But I think your approach is wrong.

You talk of dealing 'with threats as they arise'. Does this mean that for as long as no substantial threat is perceived as existing on the immediate horizon, no action is taken ?

Forgive me, but this comes across to me as being a form of 'bunker mentality' approach. It surely means that the enemy remains unharmed and uncompromised, for as long as they convince you that they're no immediate threat.

Iran, so far as we know, is no 'immediate threat' to Israel. But they've been perfecting the means by which they can be a DEVASTATING threat to Israel's very existence in the future. Should Iran just carry on, unchallenged, until they have completed their preparation of long-range missiles armed with nuclear warheads, those missiles ready to be launched ?? Because, until that point, the threat to Israel is less than totally substantial !!

Far better to deal with a threat as soon as possible, I suggest, than to sit idly by until those enemies originating it are in any position to make good on it.

So, if you are going to wait any time to take action, for how long do you wait ? To what extent do you allow your enemies the comfort of building their capabilities against you ?

Now consider what we're specifically discussing in this thread.

With the best will in the world to Jeff, he seemingly hasn't considered one aspect of the issue involved. Yes, ultimately, the US will come under severe threat from Islamic incursion (expressed optimistically !). It will be a threat that takes a time to build and become an increasingly potent one. However ... surely, one aspect of this 'building' threat to the US is that the enemy neutralises your recourse to help or support from allies ?

The EU, being a 'Western' power, should be one ally of yours. But to what extent do Islamists already control the destiny of member States (aided and abetted by Left-wingers who insist on a 'political correctness' which stops people from wanting to resist them) ?

What about their growing influence and power in the UK, now reaching such a pitch that to even SPEAK OUT against Sharia Law will become a criminal act ??

Even right now, the European Court of Human Rights (.. as if terrorists are even human !!!) pass judgments which favour them. We've had cases in the UK where terrorist suspects cannot be deported, because to do so might infringe their 'right' to a family life !!!!

None of this may threaten the US .. but, it does neutralise, ever more effectively, the ability of would-be allies to side with you when it matters. BUT, from your approach, do I take it that your enemies should build such an international power base, unaffected and unthreatened by anyone from America ? Do you let it all happen, until the day dawns when the US is totally isolated in international opinion and logistically ?

At that point, ALL you'll have is your 'bunker mentality' approach to help you.

With an increasing number of foreign lands under effective Muslim control, what resources will they manage to call upon to attack you ? Should they be allowed the chance to achieve that, before they are a 'real threat' ?

[Drummond]

Not running away--rather a judicious retreat in order to live to fight another day!!!
Think about that my friend!!! -----:beer:-Tyr

It's food for thought, I'll give you that, Tyr. After all, an aspect of the WWII parallel I referred to before, is that there were those from France and other occupied lands who joined British forces to fight alongside them, only returning to their homelands once the war was won ...

[Jeff]

I suggest Southern USA because Perianne lives there. :)

Because JEFF lives there :laugh:

[Jeff]

Bill is right on here, a good video explaining the question of well it's only a few Muslims that are bad.


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Posted here by mistake, I started a new thread, sorry.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I disagree. The only thing necessary is for the regular folk to decree that we're no longer following the leadership. That we are going to deal with threats as they arise. It's up to those that threaten us whether they live or die.

Not sure that I understand how regular folks are to deal with it and no longer following the leadership. Sure seems like the makings of a revolution to me my friend. As such actions transgress the government decrees the government comes down with a very heavy hand. At some point fighting becomes the only option.
As it is the system--aka--the FEDS- can and will arrest, shoot and stop any meaningful dissent.
What has happened is the water has been heating up a damn long time now and its just about to boil over IMHO..
WHEN IT DOES, BLOOD IN THE STREETS WLIL START THE SHOWDOWN.

THE ELECTION SYSTEM IS SO CORRUPTED THAT ITS OF NO GREAT USE ANYMORE--AND THATS THE RUB OF IT..
WERE IT OF ANY USE THE TRAITOR WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN HIS SECOND TERM IMHO!! -Tyr

[LongTermGuy]

I suggest Southern USA because Perianne lives there. :)

*and....Because `longTermGuy` Lives there....:salute:

`Is there No one else.........................?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BiLCJxpqi4#t=78