Protect & Serve

[indago]

Journalist Stephanie Clifford wrote for The New York Times 11 December 2014:
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The tip comes from a confidential informer: Someone has a gun. Ten or more minutes later, police officers find a man matching the informer’s detailed description at the reported location. A gun is discovered; an arrest is made.


That narrative describes how Jeffrey Herring was arrested last year by police officers in the 67th Precinct in East Flatbush, Brooklyn. It also describes the arrests of at least two other men, Eugene Moore and John Hooper, by some of the same officers.


The suspects said the guns were planted by the police.


There were other similarities: Each gun was found in a plastic bag or a handkerchief, with no traces of the suspect’s fingerprints. Prosecutors and the police did not mention a confidential informer until months after the arrests. None of the informers have come forward, even when defense lawyers and judges have requested they appear in court.


...In another example, Lt. Edward Babington, one of the four officers in Mr. Herring’s case, was involved in a federal gun case that was later dismissed and led to a $115,000 settlement. In that case, a federal judge said she believed that the “officers perjured themselves.”
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/12/nyregion/gun-arrests-with-2-things-in-common-the-officers-and-unidentified-informers.html?ref=todayspaper)


These lying cops cost their cities BigBux, and the settlements are not nearly enough for the hassle that the defendant has to go through. And, the award should come right out of the police budget until they are all walking a beat. Maybe then, just maybe, they will see the light and begin to reform. But until then the subterfuge and deceit goes on...

[indago]

From The Associated Press 16 December 2014:
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The city of Rockford has reached a $1.1 million settlement with the estate of an unarmed black man who was fatally shot inside a church-run day care by two white police officers in 2009, according to officials.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ROCKFORD_POLICE_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-12-16-19-21-34)


This settlement should come right out of the police budget.

[indago]

Journalist Benjamin Weiser wrote for The New York Times 16 December 2014:
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Amid roiling protests and emotions over the death of Eric Garner during a police encounter, the New York City comptroller, Scott M. Stringer, is seeking to negotiate a settlement of a $75 million civil rights claim brought by Mr. Garner’s family. ...The move is part of Mr. Stringer’s novel strategy to settle major civil rights claims before lawsuits are formally filed; he said he hoped to save taxpayer dollars and bring “closure” to claimants and their families.

...In his first year as comptroller, he has reached two major settlements without the Law Department’s involvement. The first went to David Ranta, who was wrongfully convicted of murder and imprisoned for 23 years. Mr. Ranta accepted a $6.4 million settlement in February to resolve his $150 million claim against the city. In October, Mr. Stringer reached a $2.25 million settlement with the family of Jerome Murdough, a homeless veteran who died in an overheated cell at the Rikers Island jail complex. His family had filed a $25 million claim. ...the city spent $732 million in settlements and judgments in the fiscal year ending in June, an increase of $208 million from the prior year, his office has said.

...The family’s lawyer, Jonathan C. Moore, said on Tuesday, “If Scott Stringer wants to sit down and talk about trying to resolve the Garner case, I would be remiss in not accepting that invitation.” Mr. Moore helped represent the five men whose convictions were ultimately overturned in the 1989 Central Park jogger case, a lawsuit that was settled with the city for $41 million.
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/nyregion/scott-stringer-comptroller-seeks-eric-garner-settlement.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0)

[Elessar]

Do You Know...There are Far More professional and honorable Peace Officers than there are rogues? I'd gauge it at 98% good. Humans are not 100% good...None of Us!

Why is it only the bad ones get the publicity? Rarely Do the ones that Serve, Protect, and Defend get the Huff-Po headlines. I guess honest serving is not an important topic for liberal rags.

Do You know...every time a Cop straps on his belt, wears his badge and goes to duty, that he is a target? And, that he has a family that hopes he comes home alive after each shift, not knowing what kind of idiot he might face in his 12 hour shift?

Do You Know...that some cultures in this USA teach their kids to disrespect Peace Officers, Firefighters, or any symbol of authority? Even we Coasties get that - and My mission is Search and Rescue! Why do Black urban adults, married or unmarried, Hispancic urban adults, married or unmarried, demonstrate to their offspring defiance of law?

There is the problem↑

[aboutime]

Do You Know...There are Far More professional and honorable Peace Officers than there are rogues? I'd gauge it at 98% good. Humans are not 100% good...None of Us!

Why is it only the bad ones get the publicity? Rarely Do the ones that Serve, Protect, and Defend get the Huff-Po headlines. I guess honest serving is not an important topic for liberal rags.

Do You know...every time a Cop straps on his belt, wears his badge and goes to duty, that he is a target? And, that he has a family that hopes he comes home alive after each shift, not knowing what kind of idiot he might face in his 12 hour shift?

Do You Know...that some cultures in this USA teach their kids to disrespect Peace Officers, Firefighters, or any symbol of authority? Even we Coasties get that - and My mission is Search and Rescue! Why do Black urban adults, married or unmarried, Hispancic urban adults, married or unmarried, demonstrate to their offspring defiance of law?

There is the problem↑




Wow. That ^ explains why Obama gets so much attention too!:laugh: He deserves all the BAD publicity every lie he tells....GETS.

But seriously. In response to your question. The problem is LACK OF EDUCATION by the parents who teach the young to be just as uninformed as they are.

[indago]

Alison Lynn & Matt Gutman for ABC News 18 December 2014:
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Alecia and Bounkham Phonesavanh never imagined their family would be at the center of a controversy over the militarization of police. But that’s exactly where they found themselves when their toddler was seriously injured by a SWAT team, also leaving them with a $1 million medical bill they have no hope of paying.

“They messed up,” Alecia Phonesavanh told ABC News' "20/20." “They had a faulty search warrant. They raided the wrong house.”

Watch the full story on ABC News' "20/20" Friday, Dec. 19 at 10 p.m. ET
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article (http://news.yahoo.com/family-toddler-injured-swat-grenade-faces-1m-medical-222337533--abc-news-topstories.html)

[indago]

There are Far More professional and honorable Peace Officers than there are rogues... Why is it only the bad ones get the publicity?

You are suggesting that these instances be swept under the rug?

[Neo]

Alison Lynn & Matt Gutman for ABC News 18 December 2014:
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Alecia and Bounkham Phonesavanh never imagined their family would be at the center of a controversy over the militarization of police. But that’s exactly where they found themselves when their toddler was seriously injured by a SWAT team, also leaving them with a $1 million medical bill they have no hope of paying.

“They messed up,” Alecia Phonesavanh told ABC News' "20/20." “They had a faulty search warrant. They raided the wrong house.”

Watch the full story on ABC News' "20/20" Friday, Dec. 19 at 10 p.m. ET
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article (http://news.yahoo.com/family-toddler-injured-swat-grenade-faces-1m-medical-222337533--abc-news-topstories.html)

Reminds me of when the Pinkerton boys messed up @ the James farm back in the 19th century..still at it, eh Mr. indago.....carry on........

[Jeff]

Do You Know...There are Far More professional and honorable Peace Officers than there are rogues? I'd gauge it at 98% good. Humans are not 100% good...None of Us!

Why is it only the bad ones get the publicity? Rarely Do the ones that Serve, Protect, and Defend get the Huff-Po headlines. I guess honest serving is not an important topic for liberal rags.

Do You know...every time a Cop straps on his belt, wears his badge and goes to duty, that he is a target? And, that he has a family that hopes he comes home alive after each shift, not knowing what kind of idiot he might face in his 12 hour shift?

Do You Know...that some cultures in this USA teach their kids to disrespect Peace Officers, Firefighters, or any symbol of authority? Even we Coasties get that - and My mission is Search and Rescue! Why do Black urban adults, married or unmarried, Hispancic urban adults, married or unmarried, demonstrate to their offspring defiance of law?

There is the problem↑

People will pay to hear about the bad cop, no one cares that the good cop is doing his job

[indago]

Alison Lynn & Matt Gutman for ABC News 18 December 2014:
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Alecia and Bounkham Phonesavanh never imagined their family would be at the center of a controversy over the militarization of police. But that’s exactly where they found themselves when their toddler was seriously injured by a SWAT team, also leaving them with a $1 million medical bill they have no hope of paying.

“They messed up,” Alecia Phonesavanh told ABC News' "20/20." “They had a faulty search warrant. They raided the wrong house.”

Watch the full story on ABC News' "20/20" Friday, Dec. 19 at 10 p.m. ET
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article (http://news.yahoo.com/family-toddler-injured-swat-grenade-faces-1m-medical-222337533--abc-news-topstories.html)

Also noted: "Under the state's law, the county government has sovereign immunity from negligence claims against it".

How convenient for the governments, to declare themselves "sovereign", and free from any responsibilities from their terrorist attacks, and negligence. There is no sovereignty in this country, and for the servant to declare itself free from any responsibility to its master is a step toward tyranny.

[indago]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxjZB5S_g7s

[indago]

From CBS New York 24 December 2014:
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Dozens of families in need on Long Island didn’t have to wait for Santa for Christmas to kick off this year.

As 1010 WINS’ Holli Haerr reported, Elsa dolls, Lego sets and other toys flew off the shelves at Matty’s Toy Stop in Hewlett as more than 100 children enjoyed a Christmas Eve shopping spree thanks to Nassau County’s police unions.

Families were bused to the toy store courtesy of the Nassau County Police Benevolent Association and NCPD Foundation, which provided each family with a $100 gift certificate for toys
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article (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/12/24/nassau-police-unions-send-dozens-of-families-in-need-on-christmas-shopping-spree/)

[Jeff]

From CBS New York 24 December 2014:
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Dozens of families in need on Long Island didn’t have to wait for Santa for Christmas to kick off this year.

As 1010 WINS’ Holli Haerr reported, Elsa dolls, Lego sets and other toys flew off the shelves at Matty’s Toy Stop in Hewlett as more than 100 children enjoyed a Christmas Eve shopping spree thanks to Nassau County’s police unions.

Families were bused to the toy store courtesy of the Nassau County Police Benevolent Association and NCPD Foundation, which provided each family with a $100 gift certificate for toys
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article (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/12/24/nassau-police-unions-send-dozens-of-families-in-need-on-christmas-shopping-spree/)

That is fantastic and I sure hope it gets as much coverage as the stuff the media turns into Racist trash does, I do have to wonder if Al Sharpton was there to watch these young kids with those beautiful smiles on there faces, or better yet with all the money he has I wonder how he helped families in need yesterday ?

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch1jwn_pDRI

elderly man speeding, trying to get another elderly man to the hospital. pulled over by police. who smashes window points gun at driver. berates cuffs and tickets man.
officer resigns, and police/prosecutors sensibly drops all charges.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDbdhv_cl1E

elderly blind woman at home. police come looking for son. she says he's not home cops don't like her being on the phone so they barge into her house (warrants?) and put her on ground cover mouth and taser her. they claim they didn't know she was blind. neighbors say they did. And said so while the neighbors informed them DURING the confrontation.
COPS SAY Blind woman "punched at them" :rolleyes:. neighbors say never happened.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zanrBZ6HOM

Cops taser 10 year old girl because she has emotional problems and won't calm down.
Good cops Ask WHY. Says before the days of tasters they'd just hold her or sit on her until ambulance arrived or she situation calmed.


.............

Published on Nov 3, 2012

The lawsuit claims police officers drove their patrol cars onto the intermediate school campus, for career day where Webb asked a group of boys which one would like to clean his patrol unit.
R.D. raised his hand to say he did not want to clean the police officer's car.
Webb then said, according to the lawsuit, "Let me show what happens to people who do not listen to the police." He then "shot his Taser gun at the boy's chest," said the family's attorney Shannon Kennedy of the Kennedy Law Firm of Albuquerque."* Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian break down this story, calling for severe consequences for Officer Webb's reckless use of a taser on a child.

"A 10-year-old boy attending a Tularosa, N.M., Intermediate School's Career Day expected it to be fun and educational, but instead he ended up in the emergency room.
The boy, identified as R.D., blacked out after receiving 50,000 volts of electricity when struck by a police officer's Taser gun.
Rachel Higgins, a guardian appointed by the court to protect the child's privacy filed a lawsuit Oct. 26 in 1st Judicial District Court in Santa Fe County against Police Officer Chris Webb and the New Mexico Department of Public Safety on behalf of R.D., claiming that Webb fired his electronic control weapon at the boy on May 4, 2012.
Webb has been charged with battery, failure to render emergency medical care, unreasonable seizure and excessive force.
Higgins will appear in court to represent the boy because the family members live in a small town and do not want to reveal their identities.

Read more from Lida Alikhani/ ABC News:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines... (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/11/tasered-10-year-old-boy-sues-police/)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmofinlDg0U
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Man with hands submissively on patrol car is taser in the back of the neck by cop.
I guess he felt threatened?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b1QLR5LfjE

thank God for good cops but bad cops can't be protected or covered for it hurts everyone.

[revelarts]

Cop Tackles Pregnant Woman who bleeding in premature Labor At Hospital For Running A Red Light and speeding to get there.
Arrest and cuff her in hospital.

link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32lCowgaCVg)

Cop Kicks Pregnant 9 month Woman in the Stomach.


Published on May 12, 2012

05/08/2012

Channel 2 Action News (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miSf37NJcYA) has learned a DeKalb County police officer is under criminal investigation for allegedly kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach, then charging her with obstruction of a police officer.

Records show the department never investigated the incident and five supervising officers signed off on the officer's actions.

"I was upset because I couldn't believe an officer would kick me, with my child in my stomach," Raven Dozier told investigative reporter Jodie Fleischer.

Dozier was nearly nine months pregnant and helping to calm down her brother who was arguing with police. They used a Taser on him, and she cried out.

That's when Officer Jerad Wheeler used what he described in his report as "a front push-kick to the abdomen, as he was taught to do at the academy."

"What kind of a human being kicks a pregnant woman? I mean, forget whether or not it is a police officer that is supposedly protecting people," Dozier's attorney Mark Bullman said.

Dozier filed a complaint with the DeKalb police department's internal affairs unit, but it was never investigated. Instead, four supervisors and an internal affairs detective signed off that Wheeler's use of force met policy.

"He was not, he had no reason to do that, and for a higher authority to say that he is OK, his boss is wrong too," Dozier said.

Fleischer filed an open records request and found two more use-of-force complaints against Wheeler within the last nine months. In all three cases, the victims were not the focus of the original police incident.

In September 2011, a 53-year-old woman said Wheeler twisted her arm behind her back and pushed her face down in the patrol car. The woman's daughter had just been in a car accident and she had gone to the scene to help with her young grandchildren.

In January 2012, a family complained after Wheeler shot their dog while he was on a chain inside their garage. Wheeler had responded to the wrong address.

In both cases, the department justified Wheeler's actions and exonerated him.

"It's showing that there is an ongoing pattern and practice of attempting to clear officers of clearly illegal, unconstitutional, and improper conduct," Bullman said.

Wheeler charged Dozier with obstruction of an officer.

In his report, he said she was coming toward him in an aggressive manner that it was very dark, she was wearing a large shirt, and he couldn't tell she was pregnant.

But workers at the DeKalb County Jail recognized it immediately, and refused accept Dozier. She had an emergency C-section two weeks later, and now baby Levi is doing well.

"I believe that something should be done. Men go to jail every day for hitting women and it's not OK just because he is a police officer," said Dozier.

"My hope is that with this and other cases, things will change at the DeKalb Police Department, that it is no longer possible for officers to commit felonies against citizens that have committed no crime whatsoever," Bullman said.

A DeKalb police representative did not want to comment on how the department handled this case.

http://LeakSource.wordpress.com


"It was very dark"
"Dozier filed a complaint with the DeKalb police department's internal affairs unit, but it was never investigated. Instead, four supervisors and an internal affairs detective signed off that Wheeler's use of force met policy."

[revelarts]

Killing of Homeless Woman Unjustified, Officer Says
July 21, 2000 (http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jul/21)|MATT LAIT and SCOTT GLOVER | TIMES STAFF WRITERS
Breaking ranks with other police accounts of last year's controversial police shooting of homeless woman Margaret Mitchell, a veteran LAPD motorcycle officer who watched from across the street as the incident unfolded says he believes the shooting was unwarranted.
Officer John Goines testified during a deposition in a federal civil rights lawsuit brought by Mitchell's family that he was disturbed by the May 21, 1999, slaying of the 102-pound woman, who had been waving a screwdriver at police. Goines acknowledged, as he has before, that his view of the fatal shot was blocked by a passing car, but said he did witness the events leading up to it and immediately following it.
"I didn't understand how this whole thing went down the way it did," Goines said under questioning by attorney Leo Terrell. "I didn't see how--how come the lady ended up getting shot, and it was disturbing to me."
Terrell asked the officer whether he considered the shooting "excessive."

"Yes," he said, adding later: "I would say that [she] was not an immediate threat."



Margaret Mitchell, a homeless 54-year-old Black woman, was pulling a shopping cart along the street. Two cops on bicycles, one male and one female, approached and started harassing her. Under a California law, police can ticket people and confiscate their carts--for supposedly not having a store's permission to take the carts onto the street. The law is enforced only against the homeless, and it takes from them the little that they have.
Margaret Mitchell walked away from the police. Her shopping cart held all her possessions, including the nice red blanket that was sort of her trademark with the people in the area. As she walked down the street, someone driving by recognized her, pulled over and tried to talk the cops out of hassling her. But the cops continued their pursuit. One witness, a Black man in his 40s, saw her running and pulling the cart behind her as the cops ran after her. "My first thought was, `Oh, man. When they catch this person they're going to beat her.' That was my first thought. I didn't see the guns. I just saw the cops running. And I saw her in front of them running. And then I heard the bam! It was so sudden that I didn't even realize she was shot until moments later when I processed it and I saw her laying on the ground. I thought, `Oh my god, they just shot that woman!"'
Victim in the War on the People "...Margaret Mitchell was 5 foot 1 and weighed 102 pounds. People in the neighborhood did not know her name until after the shooting. But they knew her as a soft-spoken woman who smiled a lot. The police claim that she had a "weapon" in her hand--a screwdriver. They say she threatened to kill them, that she "lunged" and "slashed" at the male cop--causing him to "fear for his life." Police Chief Bernard Parks and spokesmen are arrogantly defending these killer cops. They have repeated over and over that "none of the witnesses contradicted the account given by the officers." They are lying.

This cold-blooded police murder happened on a six-lane street during rush hour in the middle of a shopping district. There were many outraged eyewitnesses who spoke to reporters at the scene or called radio and TV stations to get the truth out. All of these witnesses contradicted the police version. All of these witnesses agreed with the account that the RW heard from the people on the street: Margaret Mitchell was going away from the police with her back turned when she was shot, and she was not even holding the screwdriver. A salesman at the automobile dealership at 4th and La Brea said, "She never threatened anyone." So did another man who talked to a KNX radio reporter. These comments have been public since the very first news reports. Two or three witnesses insisted she was shot in the back. A lawyer for her family is calling for an independent autopsy.... "

[Elessar]

You are suggesting that these instances be swept under the rug?

I suggest no such thing.

All I am telling you that the instances that you trumpet are a very small percentage of what
anyone in L.E. goes through.

More emphasis in the Lib media for the few bad apples than the ones that lay down their
safety and lives for the benefit of all.

[indago]

From HuffPo:
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A former New York City narcotics detective testified in court that planting drugs on innocent people was common practice, a quick and easy way to boost arrest numbers. According to the New York Daily News, the practice is known among NYPD officers as “flaking,” and officers in Brooklyn and Queens narcotics squads were doing a whole lot of it.

...“One of the consequences of the war on drugs is that police officers are pressured to make large numbers of arrests, and it’s easy for some of the less honest cops to plant evidence on innocent people,” said Gabriel Sayegh of the DPA. “The drug war inevitably leads to crooked policing — and quotas further incentivize such practices.”

...The marijuana arrests, the group says, are the result of “illegal searches” by the NYPD, as part of stop-and-frisks.
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article (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/13/ex-nypd-cop-we-planted-ev_n_1009754.html)

[revelarts]

From HuffPo:
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A former New York City narcotics detective testified in court that planting drugs on innocent people was common practice, a quick and easy way to boost arrest numbers. According to the New York Daily News, the practice is known among NYPD officers as “flaking,” and officers in Brooklyn and Queens narcotics squads were doing a whole lot of it.

...“One of the consequences of the war on drugs is that police officers are pressured to make large numbers of arrests, and it’s easy for some of the less honest cops to plant evidence on innocent people,” said Gabriel Sayegh of the DPA. “The drug war inevitably leads to crooked policing — and quotas further incentivize such practices.”

...The marijuana arrests, the group says, are the result of “illegal searches” by the NYPD, as part of stop-and-frisks.
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article (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/13/ex-nypd-cop-we-planted-ev_n_1009754.html)


'"Did you observe with some frequency this ... practice which is taking someone who was seemingly not guilty of a crime and laying the drugs on them?" Justice Gustin Reichbach (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Gustin+Reichbach) asked Anderson."Yes, multiple times," he replied.
The judge pressed Anderson on whether he ever gave a thought to the damage he was inflicting on the innocent.
"It was something I was seeing a lot of, whether it was from supervisors or undercovers and even investigators," he said.
"It's almost like you have no emotion with it, that they attach the bodies to it, they're going to be out of jail tomorrow anyway; nothing is going to happen to them anyway."
The city paid $300,000 to settle a false arrest suit by Jose Colon (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jose+Colon) and his brother Maximo, who were falsely arrested by Anderson and Tavarez. A surveillance tape inside the bar showed they had been framed.
A federal judge presiding over the suit said the NYPD's plagued by "widespread falsification" by arresting officers."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/fabricated-drug-charges-innocent-people-meet-arrest-quotas-detective-testifies-article-1.963021

SO again we see that QUOTAS and arrest goals help motivate police corruption.
not enough crime, make it up, stop and frisk , plant some drugs.

if later one of these INNOCENT people is caught on tape protesting an arrest and is hurt by a cop.
Some News and commentators can call him a "repeat offender" and a "thug" that's was "disrespectful of cops" and say "if he didn't have drugs..." "if they had JUST obeyed police NOTHING would have happened."

This kind of Police corruption is what makes the rift in the general view of police.

We have to be honest and say yes it's part of the system and weed it out and not Assume bad cops are as rare as leprechauns.
Or assume some people are JUST anti-Police when they point it out.
I'm not about making up a FANTASY police that's 99% good all the time. or 99% BAD.
facts tell the tale and it depends, each Police Department is different, each cops is different. Cop Culture can be highly or selectively negative or positive at various points.

But one things for certain. those bad police weren't going to wall street or Downtown Manhattan to plant drugs on the wealthy white guys, or old Jewish women. Or stopping and frisking teens outside of rich private schools.

[revelarts]

Good Cop Vs Bad Cop which cop does the system punish 1st in Buffalo ?

.................................................. ...........
Exclusive: Fired Buffalo cop tells her side


BUFFALO, N.Y. (WKBW) - Former Buffalo Police officer Cariol Horne in a battle to get her pension. She was fired for trying to stop a fellow officer she says was abusing a suspect."November 1, 2006, there was a call of an officer in trouble at 707 Walden," said Cariol Horne.
That officer was Gregory Kwiatkowski, who was responding to a domestic dispute inside that home between Neal Mack and his girlfriend.
When officer Horne went into the house she says Mack had already been placed under arrest.
"He was handcuffed in the front and he was sideways and being punched in the face by Gregory Kwiatkowski," explained Horne.
Horne and about 10 other officers who arrived at the scene helped drag Mack out of the home. But once outside Horne says Officer Kwiatkowski was out of control. "Gregory Kwiatkowski turned Neal Mack around and started choking him. So then I'm like, 'Greg! You're choking him,' because I thought whatever happened in the house he was still upset about so when he didn't stop choking him I just grabbed his arm from around Neal Mack's neck," said Horne.
If that choke hold of a handcuffed suspect caught Horne off guard, it didn't prepare her for what she says Kwiatkowski did next.
"He comes up and punches me in the face and I had to have my bridge replaced," said Horne.
When Horne tried to defend herself other officers pulled her back and her shoulder was injured.
Following the incident, Horne was fired and charged with obstruction for "jumping on officer Kwiatkowski's back and/or striking him with her hands." But officer Kiwatkowski's own words seem to conflict with the charges. In a sworn statement he says, "she never got on top of me."

Nonetheless, Horne lost every appeal and with her 19 year career over, she didn't qualify for a pension.
Horne is the mother of five children and is now working as a truck driver to make ends meet.
"My daughter said, 'Mommy, why did you go to work that day?' She never said, 'Why did you do what you did?' or 'I wish you wouldn't have done it.' She just said, 'I wish you wouldn't have gone to work that day.' So I don't regret it."

Officer Kwiatkowski was forced to retire from the police department after he was suspended for choking another officer on the job, and in a separate incident, punching another officer when he was off the clock. In May 2014, Kwiatowkski and two other officers were indicted on federal civil rights violations against black teen suspects. holding them down and shooting with a BB gun.

Horne is continuing to fight for a pension.
The City of Buffalo Common Council sent her case to the New York State retirement system for review. A determination has not yet been made.


http://www.wkbw.com/news/fired-buffalo-cop-id-do-it-again

[tailfins]

Cop Tackles Pregnant Woman who bleeding in premature Labor At Hospital For Running A Red Light and speeding to get there.
Arrest and cuff her in hospital.

link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32lCowgaCVg)

Cop Kicks Pregnant 9 month Woman in the Stomach.




"It was very dark"
"Dozier filed a complaint with the DeKalb police department's internal affairs unit, but it was never investigated. Instead, four supervisors and an internal affairs detective signed off that Wheeler's use of force met policy."





Two words: Anecdotal evidence

[aboutime]

Why not change the title of this thread to....DP MEMBERS HATE COPS?

What a great way to start the new year, being Honest for a change?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Why not change the title of this thread to....DP MEMBERS HATE COPS?

What a great way to start the new year, being Honest for a change?

The problem is that its not that cut and dry my friend. There are bad cops doing really--REALLY-- bad things!!
It is a truly complex issue--I hate cops--the bad ones but I truly support the good ones. I have too support the goods ones because I believe in the Rule of Law.
Yet I know too damn much not to dearly hate the bad ones and wish all those "bad ones" either extremely savage justice and or death... Some truly seriously bad cops deserve the ultimate punishment.. Yet when caught and fired they usually get away with no time served in jail or prison-- which is a travesty of immense proportion my friend!
Do not ever think that some cops don't commit deliberate murder then plant guns on people to justify their shooting that person..

The big problem is police departments covering up for bad cops !!
I tell all of you people this, I've seen with my own eyes cops do things so outrageously wrong they should have been beaten half to death for doing so yet nothing was ever done!!
One cop, later kicked off the force in the mid-70's -- I still hope to catch in the right place at the right time.
And if I ever do he gets stomped all to hell and back, I'll leave his worthless ass barely breathing.
I don't play in cases like that...
Last I heard in the early 90's he was in Florida and had served time in prison...
I'd give somebody "else's right arm" to get to lay my hands on that ffing bastard..-Tyr

[aboutime]

Why not change the title of this thread to....DP MEMBERS HATE COPS?

What a great way to start the new year, being Honest for a change?


Looks like 2015 will just be a repeat of 2014. And, I stand by my suggestion to change the title.

What an appropriate suggestion it seems to be. Highly unfair, much like some of us saying ALL Democrats, ALL Black Americans, and ALL Cops are under the same hateful blanket.

Nope. I ain't gonna accept that kind of stuff. No matter who says it.

Until we can stop the generalizations, and accusations. We will NEVER solve any problems as a civil people.

[indago]

Brandy Zadrozny wrote for The Daily Beast 2 January 2015:
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Texas Gun Slingers Police the Police — On any given night in Arlington, Texas, a group of open-carry activists turned self-appointed cop-watchers can be found walking by the side of the road, in safety-yellow reflector vests with cameras pointed at police. They carry "FILM THE POLICE" signs, and sometimes, in a habit that's become of increasing concern to the officers being watched, they're carrying guns of their own. ..."The police department in Arlington is out of control and keeps wrongfully arresting people for doing things that are well within their rights," Watkins said in part of a statement provided to The Daily Beast. "It's wasting taxpayer money and it's violating the rights of the people."

..."We don't mind them cop-watching. Just leave your guns in the car. Leave your guns at home," Lt. Christopher Cook told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. But such a bargain seems unlikely. Certified letters from the Arlington Police Department requesting a meeting with the cop-watch and open-carry groups have been denied and ignored. Responding to Cordova's arrest, cop-watch leader Watkins posted a video doubling down: "You disobey the oath that you took and you kidnap and harass citizens who are well within their rights and this is what you get: pissed off patriots.
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article (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/01/jihadists-release-new-year-s-eve-video-of-italian-female-hostages.html)

[Elessar]

Looks like 2015 will just be a repeat of 2014. And, I stand by my suggestion to change the title.

What an appropriate suggestion it seems to be. Highly unfair, much like some of us saying ALL Democrats, ALL Black Americans, and ALL Cops are under the same hateful blanket.

Nope. I ain't gonna accept that kind of stuff. No matter who says it.

Until we can stop the generalizations, and accusations. We will NEVER solve any problems as a civil people.

AT: Some people have a fixation on an issue.

I respect both above posters a lot, but I work with LE Agencies and individuals.

The examples posted are possibly true, depending on the source.

What is ABSENT in most mainstream media are the countless stories where an officer
either risks his/her life to help someone or demonstrates human kindness while in uniform.

I have been accosted by crooked Cops - both in West Virginia and Los Angeles. But I have
also had very positive inaction with cops across the country.

I am trained as a Federal Officer, although I do not perform that these days.

Blanket hatred of LE is ignorant, and most likely, seeking trouble where none should exist.

[gabosaurus]

These lying cops cost their cities BigBux, and the settlements are not nearly enough for the hassle that the defendant has to go through. And, the award should come right out of the police budget until they are all walking a beat. Maybe then, just maybe, they will see the light and begin to reform. But until then the subterfuge and deceit goes on...

Not to long ago, several people were killed in Southern California when a military pilot on a training exercise crashed into a neighborhood. I don't remember the pilot being villianized, or the military called out for their blunders. They rarely are.
Law enforcement do a dangerous job. They are targets every day. Yet you rarely see them built up like the military are. It's unfortunate.

[Nukeman]

Not to long ago, several people were killed in Southern California when a military pilot on a training exercise crashed into a neighborhood. I don't remember the pilot being villianized, or the military called out for their blunders. They rarely are.
Law enforcement do a dangerous job. They are targets every day. Yet you rarely see them built up like the military are. It's unfortunate.Gabs, are you truly attempting to correlate an accident with willful disobedience/flaunting of the law????

Those two scenarios are so far apart you might as well have said that about every person that has wrecked a care and caused damage or loss of life.

The stories presented here are of bad people hiding behind a badge and using it to their full advantage to inflict harm on others. That is CRIMINAL NOT negligence or an accident!!!!

[Nukeman]

Why not change the title of this thread to....DP MEMBERS HATE COPS?

What a great way to start the new year, being Honest for a change?


Looks like 2015 will just be a repeat of 2014. And, I stand by my suggestion to change the title.

What an appropriate suggestion it seems to be. Highly unfair, much like some of us saying ALL Democrats, ALL Black Americans, and ALL Cops are under the same hateful blanket.

Nope. I ain't gonna accept that kind of stuff. No matter who says it.

Until we can stop the generalizations, and accusations. We will NEVER solve any problems as a civil people.I challenge you to show us AT where anyone in this thread has said ALL cops!?!?!? Please show us where that was stated!!!??? YOU my friend are the ONLY one making generalities. In fact after rereading this thread there are about 1/3 of the post supporting police officers and 2/3 pointing out some bad behavior but no where is there a "ALL COPS ARE BAD" posted anywhere!!!!!!!

Try reading instead of speaking in generalities like you accuse others of!!!

[gabosaurus]

Very true, Nukeman. But these incidents are very isolated and few in number. They do not represent the rank and file of officers.
Power can corrupt at all levels. We have a lot of veterans who have PTSD and other mental illnesses. Many have committed horrific crimes. Does this mean every veteran should be treated like they are homicidal maniacs?
There are cops who have committed crimes. There are bankers and firemen and construction workers who have committed crimes.

Sorry, I just don't understand the animosity toward police officers. The majority are good people.

[Nukeman]

Very true, Nukeman. But these incidents are very isolated and few in number. They do not represent the rank and file of officers.
Power can corrupt at all levels. We have a lot of veterans who have PTSD and other mental illnesses. Many have committed horrific crimes. Does this mean every veteran should be treated like they are homicidal maniacs?
There are cops who have committed crimes. There are bankers and firemen and construction workers who have committed crimes.

Sorry, I just don't understand the animosity toward police officers. The majority are good people.The majority may be good but we have even the "good" protecting the bad with their "code"!!!

The problem with a police officer committing a serious crime is that they are TRUSTED to help and not to take advantage... When we have a physician that does something heinous we hear about from the heavens (damn greedy doctors how dare they take advantage). Yet is we have a LEO do something bad like MURDER and cover it up or plant drugs on innocent people to meet a quota that my friend RUINS lives beyond repair! These people are in places for OUR protection to SERVE us not for them to serve themselves. If they don't have that in them than they need to find a new profession.

I look at the LEO's from when I was young, they did EVERYTHING in their power to NOT pull a gun they tried to DEESCALATE a situation. Today it seams the LEO's are looking for a reason to bring more charges and escalate to a confrontation.

I can give you examples of my dealing and I am generally very respectful of officers however, when you ask a simple question and he reaches for his gun and exclaims "Oh this is getting out of hand" for a freaking question ON MY PROPERTY I placed my hands palms out and asked again what he was talking about and he gets all indignant I mean after all how dare I ask a question he doesn't want to answer. I finally told him he could get off my property and he asked me if I want to go to jail (I had done nothing he was there for someone else)!! That is what has become the norm and NOT the exception!!!

[gabosaurus]

Sorry Nuke. Perhaps you have a bad reputation among police. I don't know because I am not you.
My sister lives in East Los Angeles. It's not a place where police feel comfortable. The only times where police draw weapons or act confrontational is among those they know to possess weapons.

[Nukeman]

Sorry Nuke. Perhaps you have a bad reputation among police. I don't know because I am not you.
My sister lives in East Los Angeles. It's not a place where police feel comfortable. The only times where police draw weapons or act confrontational is among those they know to possess weapons.
Actually I am friends with a number of LEO's in my community and they coach my boys in wrestling (have for years) they come to my house and I go to theirs. I spend a lot of time with them, and they will also make comments about the "new" recruits and how they seem to be out to "make a name for themselves"

It is as if the accadamys have lost something in their recruiting, it isn't a calling anymore its a "job" and that is the problem!!!!!!!!

[gabosaurus]

It is as if the accadamys have lost something in their recruiting, it isn't a calling anymore its a "job" and that is the problem!!!!!!!!

Same can be said about the military. They should abandon quotas and just encourage people to serve.
I know for sure that LAPD has lowered their standards in order to fill their recruiting classes. It's something that should never happen.

[indago]

Failure to Protect and Serve

Journalist Mark Gillispie wrote for The Associated Press 9 January 2015:
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A civil rights group says footage from a surveillance video that shows the fatal shooting of a 12-year-old boy carrying a pellet gun and the rough treatment of his teenage sister is evidence that Cleveland police officers fail to protect and serve citizens.

The surveillance video, released by the city Thursday, shows an officer shooting Tamir Rice and then another officer shoving the boy's 14-year-old sister to the ground when she runs toward the scene. The shooting occurred Nov. 22 outside a recreation center after the officers were answering a call about a man in the park with a gun. The video also shows officers handcuffing the struggling girl and putting her in a patrol car parked next to her brother.

The video begins with rookie Officer Timothy Loehmann shooting the boy within 2 seconds of Officer Frank Garmback stopping their patrol car. Police officials have said Loehmann ordered the boy three times to put his hands in the air...
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLEVELAND_POLICE_SHOOT_BOY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-09-22-17-56)

"they took an oath to protect and serve, not shoot and disregard."

Officer Loehmann must have shouted his command "three times to put his hands in the air" really quite rapidly to get it out within the two seconds before he shot.

[revelarts]

Jan 8, 2015 By PoliceOne Staff
PHOENIX — A Phoenix-area man known for his outspoken stance against law enforcement accepted an invitation from Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office to undergo shoot-no-shoot simulation training to better understand the stresses and split-second decisions officers are faced with.
Reverend Jarrett Maupin, a civil rights activist who organized protests following the officer-involved shooting in Ferguson, endured three shoot-no-shoot scenarios, each one followed by an evaluation of when he sensed a threat and why he drew his weapon.
<aside class="related-content-container"> <figure>Nothing to hide: Why you should invite citizens to UOF training (http://www.policeone.com/police-trainers/articles/8052095-Nothing-to-hide-Why-you-should-invite-citizens-to-UOF-training/)</figure> My chief invited the mayor and city council members to a reality-based video course.


In the first scenario, Maupin approached a suspect in a parking lot and was ‘shot’ almost instantly. In the second, the reverend approached two men fighting, and fired his weapon when one of the men charged him....


</aside>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

Pastor honest enough to modify his stance.

If All sides are honest and rational, people with good intentions can work things out.
sadly mistakes happen. All sides need to walk in the others shoes from time to time and not assume others are just enemies.

But we should never cover-up or dismiss intentionally bad behavior from anyone either.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 10 January 2015:
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The distraught woman messaged police this week telling them she was going to hurt herself, but she refused to pick up her phone. So dispatchers with Post Falls police used text messages - about 60 or so over the next hour - to help the woman. ...Texting is different than talking on the phone, and dispatchers were "on pins and needles" waiting for the next text to pop up, Holbrook said. ...Police launched the new text-a-crime system in early 2013, and said at the time that they were looking for new ways to get information to solve crimes and respond to emergencies. They believe texting crime tips will catch on with young people and, hopefully, generate leads for police. The service may also benefit people who are hearing impaired.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TEXT_A_CRIME?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-10-19-12-15)

[Jeff]

[/h]




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

Pastor honest enough to modify his stance.

If All sides are honest and rational, people with good intentions can work things out.
sadly mistakes happen. All sides need to walk in the others shoes from time to time and not assume others are just enemies.

But we should never cover-up or dismiss intentionally bad behavior from anyone either.

Rev between the boldedd and what he said in the video, well that has been my exact issue all along, we can't forget someone's bad behavior brought the police there and hey just follow orders from the police, if and when they are wrong then it is time to fighjt it but at least your still alive.

[indago]

Rev between the boldedd and what he said in the video, well that has been my exact issue all along, we can't forget someone's bad behavior brought the police there and hey just follow orders from the police, if and when they are wrong then it is time to fighjt it but at least your still alive.

Reminds me of the incident at Ruby Ridge...

A few years ago, Bo Gritz mediated between government forces and Randy Weaver, who had lost his wife and son in a stand-off at Ruby Ridge. Mr. Weaver, dejected at the loss, was determined that he would lose his life before capitulating. Mr. Gritz was permitted, by government forces, to approach the Weaver cabin and talk with Mr. Weaver. Mr. Gritz reasoned with Mr. Weaver that if he continued his resistance, he, and the rest of his family, would probably be killed. He reasoned that Mr. Weaver must live so that his story could be told. If he was killed, his story may never be told. As a result of this intervention, Mr. Weaver was afforded the opportunity to show the world that the government agencies involved in the siege, including the Justice Department, had lied to the courts, the press, and the world.

Mr. Weaver, and the remainder of his family, received a judgment from government of over 3 million dollars.

[indago]

Journalists Benjamin Weiser and Stephanie Clifford wrote for The New York Times 12 January 2015:
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The New York City comptroller, Scott M. Stringer, has agreed to pay $17 million to settle three more claims based on wrongful criminal convictions, his office said on Sunday, part of an emerging strategy to resolve civil rights cases before they are formally filed as lawsuits in court. The settlements were reached with three defendants whose cases involved Louis Scarcella, the retired homicide detective whose investigative tactics have come under question and whose cases are being reviewed by the Brooklyn district attorney’s office. The men, Robert Hill, Alvena Jennette and Darryl Austin, who are half brothers, spent a combined total of 60 years in prison — one died there — before their convictions, made in the 1980s, were vacated by a judge in May. The office of Kenneth P. Thompson, the Brooklyn district attorney, is examining 130 convictions, including 70 cases in which Mr. Scarcella played a key role.

...The two earlier prelitigation deals were a $6.4 million settlement last February with David Ranta, who was imprisoned for 23 years after being wrongfully convicted of murder, and a $2.25 million agreement in October with the family of Jerome Murdough, a homeless veteran who died at Rikers Island in an overheated jail cell. Mr. Stringer said in December that he also hoped to settle a $75 million claim filed by the family of Eric Garner, an unarmed man who died last summer after an officer used a chokehold during a confrontation with the police on Staten Island.

...Claims have also been filed against the state; they have not been resolved.
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/12/nyregion/new-york-city-settles-three-brothers-wrongful-conviction-cases-for-17-million.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0)


These settlements should come out of the police budget as a reminder of what happens when the police lie to gain convictions.

[indago]

From The New York Times 14 January 2015:
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What is a year of your life worth? How about 10 years? Or 20? In many ways the question is unanswerable: Who can assign a dollar amount to the experience of watching a child grow up, of being able to care for an elderly parent? But when the government has wrongfully convicted and imprisoned someone, a cash payout is the most meaningful way to make amends and achieve some measure of belated justice. ...Compensating those who have been wrongfully convicted is not just about correcting a manifest injustice. People who come out of prison after many years face all kinds of obstacles to rebuilding their lives.

...Nearly every day, there is another story of a man or woman walking out of prison after years of wrongful incarceration, whether because of newly uncovered DNA evidence, a mistaken identification or a prosecutor’s misconduct. It would be nice to think that officials entrusted with the power to put people behind bars will always do the right thing, but it helps when real money is on the line.
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/14/opinion/the-dollar-value-of-a-stolen-life.html?ref=todayspaper)

[indago]

Journalist Larry Neumeister wrote for The Associated Press 31 January 2015:
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New York City agreed Friday to pay $3.9 million to the family of a black Bronx teenager shot to death by a white police officer in 2012. The deal settled a federal lawsuit brought by the family of 18-year-old Ramarley Graham. ...Graham died after he was shot once in the chest in February 2012 in a tiny bathroom in the three-family home where he lived with his grandmother and other relatives. Richard Haste, the officer who shot him, said he fired his weapon because he thought he was going to be shot. No weapons were found in the apartment.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NYPD_BRONX_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-31-00-02-21)

Another case where the settlement should come directly from the police budget as a reminder of what happens when the police "shoot first" policy is implemented.

[indago]

From The Los Angeles Times 5 February 2015:
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Two Philadelphia police officers were charged Thursday with beating a man on a scooter nearly two years ago and lying about it, resulting in wrongful charges against him. ...In Philadelphia, charges came after the surprise emergence of a surveillance video that shows two officers pummeling a scooter rider. The scene appeared to contradict the officers' original account of the incident, in which they had portrayed the suspect, Najee Rivera, as a violent and vicious attacker. “The video undermined every aspect of the officers’ account of the incident," Philadelphia Dist. Atty. Seth Williams said at a televised news conference Thursday...

...The grand jury recommended eight charges for each officer: criminal conspiracy, aggravated assault, reckless endangerment, tampering with public records, false reports to law enforcement, obstruction, and official oppression.
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article (http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-82736062/)

[indago]

Police Beating (http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/02/07/nr-dnt-valencia-philadelphia-police-beating-charge.cnn/video/playlists/most-popular-domestic/)

The $200,000 Settlement should come out of the police budget as a reminder that police brutality is no longer an option in the police department.

[aboutime]

I still believe the new title of this thread should become WHY I HATE COPS!

[indago]

I still believe the new title of this thread should become WHY I HATE COPS!

Why?

[indago]

Police Save Life of Driver:

video (http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/macomb-county/shelby-township-police-save-69-year-old-drivers-life-at-crash-scene)

[aboutime]

Why?


You should know, and understand WHY. That was the first POSITIVE post you brought here about cops.

[indago]

You should know, and understand WHY. That was the first POSITIVE post you brought here about cops.

So, you have a reading comprehension problem too!

[aboutime]

So, you have a reading comprehension problem too!


If that is just another of the Defensive words you use to hide your rejection of Truth, and Honesty. Say whatever you like. Instead of the liberal name calling. How bout you try to Disprove known Factual Truths?

[indago]

Journalist Richard Oppel Jr. wrote for The New York Times 13 February 2015:
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The coroner in Franklin County, Wash., plans to order an inquest into the killing of a Mexican-born orchard laborer who, a cellphone video shows, was fleeing police officers and was then shot by them from what appeared to be no more than 20 feet away as he turned toward them with his hands held out in front.
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article/video (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/us/county-coroner-in-washington-plans-inquest-amid-furor-over-police-killing.html?ref=todayspaper)


Bill Maher labeled this a cowardly act on the part of the police.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Journalist Richard Oppel Jr. wrote for The New York Times 13 February 2015:
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The coroner in Franklin County, Wash., plans to order an inquest into the killing of a Mexican-born orchard laborer who, a cellphone video shows, was fleeing police officers and was then shot by them from what appeared to be no more than 20 feet away as he turned toward them with his hands held out in front.
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article/video (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/us/county-coroner-in-washington-plans-inquest-amid-furor-over-police-killing.html?ref=todayspaper)


Bill Maher labeled this a cowardly act on the part of the police.

I have no problem if you post the good and the bad cops do...
And I'll make no bones about it if the bad leads because its just that important to try to shine the "Light of Truth" on the bad!

"LoT" , mentioned to honor that member(Light of Truth) from the old board that was steady at the helm standing against the dems , libs , Marxists and other scum. He died about a year ago.. AT , GRANNY and others may know of what I cite..
LoT and I were good friends and I dearly miss reading his brilliant replies to those idiots.. Same as I now dearly miss reading Gaffer's brilliant replies to friend and foe alike.... -Tyr

[revelarts]

Seven Cops and Lawyers Apparently ‘Lied’ to Put This Man in Jail. He Was Only Saved by the Video You’re About to See.Short story.
A Vet handed a summons to a LEO and court officials With a few other LEOs present. they didn't like it. SO the lawyers and Leos lied on and said the man "violently attacked" "Pushed" "slapped" "knocked several feet" the Officer.
and were in the process of putting the man in prison.

But the Vet's wife had video taped the incident. and the AG dismissed the charges and now there's a fed case against the conprirators.




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Douglas Dendinger is a 47-year-old disabled Army veteran who found himself the target of an apparent police conspiracy to put him away for life — all because he handed a court summons to a cop, WWL-TV reported (http://www.wwltv.com/story/news/local/investigations/mike-perlstein/2015/02/26/charges-crumble-after-cell-phone-video-uncovered/24039559/).

He stepped up to act as process server in August 2012 for a brutality lawsuit filed by his nephew.
Handing a summons to Chad Cassard as the former police officer exited the courthouse in Washington Parish, Louisiana, Dendinger found himself verbally attacked by the swarm of cops and lawyers nearby.
“It was like sticking a stick in a bee’s nest,” Dendinger recalled. “They started cursing me. They threw the summons at me. Right at my face, but it fell short. Vulgarities. I just didn’t know what to think. I was a little shocked.”
That was only the beginning of Dendinger’s “nightmare.”

Later that night, police came to Dendinger’s house and arrested him, charging him with simple battery and two felonies: obstruction of justice and intimidating a witness.
Due to his prior felony cocaine conviction, Dendinger estimated the new charges could land him behind bars for up to 80 years.
The night of his arrest, Dendinger said he was mocked by police in the Washington Parish Jail. He claimed Bogalusa Police Chief Joe Culpepper went so far as to whistle the ominous theme music from “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly,” WWL reported.
Things got worse when seven witnesses — including two of Dendinger’s prosecutors — signed statements that affirmed the cop’s version of events: “[Dendinger] slapped me in the chest with a white envelope and stated, ‘You been served brother.’”

Even Police Chief Culpepper said he’d witnessed Dendinger’s “violence” — despite the fact that the chief also admitted he hadn’t actually been outside the courthouse when the summons was served.
In the end, what saved Dendinger was the fact that his wife and nephew recorded the incident — and the videos contradicted what the police and attorneys were swearing had happened.

After a year-long fight, St. Tammany District Attorney Walter Reed was forced to recuse his office and the Louisiana Attorney General’s Office dropped the case against Dendinger.
Now Dendinger is filing a federal civil rights lawsuit against Reed, his two prosecutors, the Bogalusa cops and Washington Parish Sheriff Randy “Country” Seal — and he said he’s learned a frightened lesson about perversions of justice along the way.
“I didn’t do anything wrong and I know they know I didn’t do anything wrong,” Dendinger said. “So I’m faced with the reality that these people purposely lied about something that could put me in prison for the rest of my life.”




This is why the evidence has be the standand NOT the belief that --cops wouldn't lie-- --...are they ALL lying?--- yes they all lied.
the main piece of REASON that the vet had without the video is that it doesn't make ANY sense that you could "attack" a cop in the misdt of other cops and WALK AWAY to be charged sometime later. I've that's umm ... highly unlikely to say the least.

If the VET didn't have any video would you have believed his story?
If he were black or an illegal alien?
since 99.999% of LEO's always do right?

[indago]

Journalist James McKinley Jr wrote for The New York Times 24 February 2015:
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Mr. Hincapie, who is now serving 25 years to life for the killing, said he told the detective he had nothing to do with the mugging that led to Mr. Watkins's death. ..."He just said I was a liar," Mr. Hincapie recalled. Then he said the detective "flew into a rage" and beat him, slapping his face, grabbing his hair and kicking him the chest so hard it knocked him to the ground. The detective yelled racial slurs at him and said he would not live long in jail, Mr. Hincapie said.

...Over the next two hours, Mr. Hincapie testified, he rehearsed a statement with the detective, the same statement he signed a couple of hours later and then recited to an assistant district attorney. He agreed to say he had been one of the teenagers who robbed Mr. Watkins and his family to obtain cash for a night of dancing at the Roseland Ballroom. The detective promised him he would be released if he confessed, he said.

..."I was only 18 years old when this happened," he said, his voice breaking. "I never had a chance, Your Honor. From the moment I was arrested. Not one chance. I really thought I was going to die that night."
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/25/nyregion/man-convicted-in-1990-killing-recounts-a-forced-confession.html?ref=todayspaper)

[revelarts]

'the lords of Discipline', corrupt NJ state police that harass officers that don't play along with illegal arrest and the like.

"they've been around for decades" says former state trooper that won a law suit against the NJ state police.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdcuFVCKUW8

[LongTermGuy]

'the lords of Discipline', corrupt NJ state police that harass officers that don't play along with illegal arrest and the like.

"they've been around for decades" says former state trooper that won a law suit against the NJ state police.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdcuFVCKUW8

***
.......revelarts....You hate `ALL` law enforcement don't you?

[aboutime]

***
.......revelarts....You hate `ALL` law enforcement don't you?



LongTerm. The easier way to say it is...."They just hate cops. Period!"

You really can't convince them otherwise. Seems like they'd prefer the entire nation become Ferguson, with a Holder as Mayor, Police chief, and lone officer on the street with a water pistol.

If that's what they want. Let them have it. I will happily accept Obama's idea that WHAT THEY OWN is Mine.

[indago]

Journalist Kathleen Foody wrote for The Associated Press 9 March 2015:
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Authorities say a police officer fatally shot a naked man on Monday afternoon outside a suburban Atlanta apartment complex who doesn't appear to have been armed. ...The chief says the officer saw a naked man in the complex parking lot and that the man began running toward the officer. Alexander says the officer told the man to halt while stepping back. Alexander says the officer then fired two shots when the man didn't stop.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OFFICER_SHOOTS_MAN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-03-09-20-36-23)


Yes, better do what the nice policeman says...


OR HE WILL KILL YOU

[Nukeman]

***
.......revelarts....You hate `ALL` law enforcement don't you?


LongTerm. The easier way to say it is...."They just hate cops. Period!"

You really can't convince them otherwise. Seems like they'd prefer the entire nation become Ferguson, with a Holder as Mayor, Police chief, and lone officer on the street with a water pistol.

If that's what they want. Let them have it. I will happily accept Obama's idea that WHAT THEY OWN is Mine.
Ya its a crying shame when the 99% give the others a bad name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You see it all the time about cops covering for cops, that is NOT their job, their job is to the community not covering for one another. If they can get past that then the respect comes back in droves...

I have always felt that LEO's need to be above reproach, If I am held to a certain level they should be held to a HIGHER level yet time and time again the prove that they are NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[indago]

From The Associated Press 13 March 2015:
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POLICE FATALLY SHOOT MAN FOUND ON SUBWAY TUNNEL TRACKS IN DC
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DC_SUBWAY_FATAL_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-03-13-01-45-20)

Well of course they did: that's what they do.

[aboutime]

NOTICE: To all members here who admit hating Cops.

If any of you who hate the police so much, ever need to dial 911. Please don't.

Instead. Dial the number for the WHITE HOUSE.

At least you will have someone who DOESN'T GIVE A CRAP about your problems at:

(202) 456-1111
The White House, Phone

[indago]

Kate Mather wrote for Los Angeles Times 15 March 2015:
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Authorities are searching for a rookie Los Angeles police officer considered a person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of a man in Pomona on Friday, law enforcement officials said. ...Pomona police said the fatal shooting occurred about 3:30 a.m., when police received multiple 911 calls reporting gunshots in the area of Third and Main streets. The shooting followed an altercation at a bar in a district of downtown Pomona packed with nightclubs and lounges, Pomona Police Cpl. Rich Martinez said. The fight proceeded down the street to about a block away from the bar district, where the shooting took place. Officers arrived to find a 23-year-old man who had been shot in the lower torso. Paramedics took him to a hospital, where he died.
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article (http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-83061629/)


Police are so used to shooting people that they do it in their spare time just to keep in practice.

[indago]

From The New York Times 20 March 2015:
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A man who was freed from prison after 20 years for a murder he did not commit was awarded $20 million in a settlement that his lawyers said is the highest individual settlement ever in a wrongful conviction case. ...His lawyers said that prosecutors claimed that Mr. Rivera had worn a pair of shoes stained with the girl’s blood. But it was later revealed that the shoes were not available for purchase at the time of the murder, and the lawyers said the police had tampered with them. Mr. Rivera was coerced into a false confession...
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/21/us/illinois-20-million-settlement-in-false-conviction.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0)

And that settlement should come right out of the police budget as a reminder of what happens when you tamper with the evidence and coerce a false confession.

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULjS4H8atSQ

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCXanR5VuOU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCXanR5VuOU

[indago]

Policeman Helps Woman Finish Walk To Finish Line


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNclCp_XTf4

[Nukeman]

NOTICE: To all members here who admit hating Cops.

If any of you who hate the police so much, ever need to dial 911. Please don't.

Instead. Dial the number for the WHITE HOUSE.

At least you will have someone who DOESN'T GIVE A CRAP about your problems at:

(202) 456-1111
The White House, Phone
The fallacy of your argument is that just because we bring to light the misdeeds of LEO we must somehow "hate" all of them.:rolleyes:

also 911 is for ANY emergency, so if I need an AMBULANCE or the FIRE DEPARTMENT I will DIAL 911. If I need to dial 911 for the police in an emergency it will be too late by the time they arrive.. remember when seconds count the police are minutes away!!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULjS4H8atSQ

A judge finally felt firsthand what many innocent Americans experience daily.
Would this incident have gained any action or publicity had the judge been just an ordinary citizen wrongly attacked by a cop?
Answer is no. Cops do that kind of crap every damn day!

Needless to say I've lived a wild young life and I've seen police misconduct numerous times... So numerous that I know its a ordinary action they take whenever they feel like it. However most often its at night that they feel more comfortable doing these illegal actions..

And by the way, I do not ever call ffing cops. If I have a prowler anywhere near my home I get my gun and check it out myself. I do not need a damn cop for anything.
I despise many cops because they are belligerent assholes. A fact.

Too many cops selectively give traffic tickets. They let friends , family, pretty girls and blacks go while concentrating on we less fortunate people. Around here its a well known fact..
I myself have seen cops out with radar letting black speeders just cruise right on by. I guess headquarters told them to ignore the blacks and get whitey. Anybody that thinks the cops are not PC as all hell is crazy!!!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

The fallacy of your argument is that just because we bring to light the misdeeds of LEO we must somehow "hate" all of them.:rolleyes:

also 911 is for ANY emergency, so if I need an AMBULANCE or the FIRE DEPARTMENT I will DIAL 911. If I need to dial 911 for the police in an emergency it will be too late by the time they arrive.. remember when seconds count the police are minutes away!!

I make it a policy to not call the damn cops. My nephew was a cop and he quit because of the corruption, special treatment and general asshole attitude of over half the officers he worked with.
He told me many of them were just criminals in uniform!!
And the general public has not a clue how rampant is the corruption and illegal activity they engage in on a daily basis.

You tend to see a lot once your eyes have been opened. Those that "always defend cops" haven't a damn clue IMHO.

My son , at 8 years old , is being told the truth about cops by me. I do not want him ever blindsided by any of those bastards.. This fairy tale of how they are knights in shining armor needs to be exposed for the crap that it is. Id say less than 20% of them are good decent people. -Tyr

[aboutime]

The fallacy of your argument is that just because we bring to light the misdeeds of LEO we must somehow "hate" all of them.:rolleyes:

also 911 is for ANY emergency, so if I need an AMBULANCE or the FIRE DEPARTMENT I will DIAL 911. If I need to dial 911 for the police in an emergency it will be too late by the time they arrive.. remember when seconds count the police are minutes away!!


Nukeman. In a perfect world, where there is a cop on every corner. Those minutes would only be seconds.

[indago]

My son , at 8 years old , is being told the truth about cops by me. I do not want him ever blindsided by any of those bastards.. This fairy tale of how they are knights in shining armor needs to be exposed for the crap that it is. Id say less than 20% of them are good decent people. -Tyr

Everyone should warn their kids about interactions with the police...

POLICE ABUSE (http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/defenders-violent-traffic-stop-caught-on-tape/31976816)

[DragonStryk72]

I'm in sort of an odd position here. I have friends and family that are cops, and I feel horrible that videos like these are becoming so commonplace, that it hurts people trusting guys I'd trust with my life. The problem, it's not the ones taking the videos that's the problem, it's the officers that are exercising the behavior that's at issue.

One contributing element, I feel, is that a number of officers these days are former military. That means, in the last 14 years, we're getting war vets from Iraq and Afghanistan, places where someone would legitimately try to use a child as a bomb delivery system. I've listened to Marines talk about how much easier being a cop will be, except there's a problem with that thought: The Marine never shuts off. I've seen former Marines-turned-cops draw down, and they do it the same way as when they were military, with the safety coming off before the gun is half-way to firing position. If a Marine draws a gun on you, they're intending to kill you. That's why the double tap is taught, to crack the skull with the first bullet, and the second as the insurance shot.

Many times, former military are allowed to bypass the police academy due to service, but that shouldn't be the case. The police academy teaches more than just physical elements, but the mental necessities of the job. Without that training, former military members fall back on the training they already have. Now let's be really honest, our military scares the living shit out of a lot of people. That's why us threatening to show up stands down so many situations that would otherwise erupt into full-scale war. It's not a bad thing, but that's not the way to approach our own citizens.

[revelarts]

A judge finally felt firsthand what many innocent Americans experience daily.
Would this incident have gained any action or publicity had the judge been just an ordinary citizen wrongly attacked by a cop?
Answer is no. .

To many people would have assumed that "he must have deserved it." because they don't believe police just punch people for no reason.

the fact is they can get away with it with some folks and they know it. power corrupts. and there brothers often stick by them out of a gang mentality or out of fear of reprisals for rating on a gang member.

some Depts don't promote that stuff and it is really a few bad apples, but in to many areas a random punch like that is just everyday "police work".




.....

Too many cops selectively give traffic tickets. They let friends , family, pretty girls and blacks go while concentrating on we less fortunate people. Around here its a well known fact..
I myself have seen cops out with radar letting black speeders just cruise right on by. I guess headquarters told them to ignore the blacks and get whitey. Anybody that thinks the cops are not PC as all hell is crazy!!!

That sounds great!!! I need to move to where you are.

Tyr i just had to pay a speeding ticket. I went to court to try and beat it down.
In traffic court that day there were about 40-50 people. there we maybe 3 white people there.
I never even considered that the police might be picking on speeder because of race.
Should i reconsider Tyr?
Or just move to your area were only white peole are arrested for speeding?

[indago]

Another Police Beating 1 (http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/man-beaten-by-inkster-police-tells-his-story/32013488)

Another Police Beating 2 (http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/violent-inkster-arrest-did-officer-plant-evidence/32014270)

[aboutime]

I'm still wondering why Honesty has been skirted, and even ignored on this thread.

It's rightful title, after reading a majority of the posts should become: "PEOPLE WHO HATE COPS!"

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'm still wondering why Honesty has been skirted, and even ignored on this thread.

It's rightful title, after reading a majority of the posts should become: "PEOPLE WHO HATE COPS!"

That is an admirable position to take---IF--- you think we that are presenting our bad experiences with cops here are damn liars..
Myself, I have no reason to lie and certainly make doing so no habit.
Show me where --my honesty was skirted..
Just because you've never experienced something firsthand doesn't mean it never happens or those telling of it are lying.
You may have a reason for your denial of the truth , but you have no valid reason for stating that
I am not honest with my postings here !--Tyr

[DragonStryk72]

That is an admirable position to take---IF--- you think we that are presenting our bad experiences with cops here are damn liars..
Myself, I have no reason to lie and certainly make doing so no habit.
Show me where --my honesty was skirted..
Just because you've never experienced something firsthand doesn't mean it never happens or those telling of it are lying.
You may have a reason for your denial of the truth , but you have no valid reason for stating that
I am not honest with my postings here !--Tyr

Oddly enough, I think a line from The Santa Clause applies here:

"Have you ever seen a million dollars?"
"No."
"Just because you haven't seen something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist."

[aboutime]

That is an admirable position to take---IF--- you think we that are presenting our bad experiences with cops here are damn liars..
Myself, I have no reason to lie and certainly make doing so no habit.
Show me where --my honesty was skirted..
Just because you've never experienced something firsthand doesn't mean it never happens or those telling of it are lying.
You may have a reason for your denial of the truth , but you have no valid reason for stating that
I am not honest with my postings here !--Tyr


Never said any such thing. I only questioned the title of the thread. Otherwise. I'll just remain quiet, as everyone thinks I should since I obviously have NO IDEA what I'm trying to say.

[indago]

Journalist Matt Campbell wrote for The Wichita Eagle 27 March 2015:
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Gardner police shot and killed a woman Thursday night after responding to a report of a disturbance in the 400 block of North Birch Street. ...When officers arrived, two of them fired at the woman, according to a statement released early Friday by the Olathe Police Department. The woman died at the scene.
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article (http://www.kansas.com/site-services/newsletters/morning/article16452392.html)

Kill the disturber: ergo: end of disturbance.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 8 April 2015:
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Feidin Santana told MSNBC that he initially considered deleting the video he recorded of a police officer shooting at Walter Scott eight times as Scott ran away, and thought about leaving North Charleston out of fear for his own safety.


Santana, a barber originally from the Dominican Republic, said he was walking to work Saturday when he saw police pursuing Scott and followed them to the area where the shooting unfolded. Santana said he heard the sound of a Taser being deployed and Scott began running before the shots were fired. Santana said Scott appeared to have already been unconscious when the officer put handcuffs on him and walked away.


Santana said he later saw a police report about the shooting and knew that he had to come forward because the officer's account of what led to the shooting didn't match what he recorded. Santana said he showed the video to a friend after reading the report, and his friend agreed that he needed to come forward.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_OFFICER_FATAL_SHOOTING_THE_LATEST?SITE=A P&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-04-08-21-40-22)

[revelarts]

]From the Prologue ofhttp://www.politicalwrinkles.com/images/misc/amazon_icon.gif (http://www.amazon.com/Broken-Badges-Police-Internal-Affairs/dp/1937565890/) Broken Badges (http://www.amazon.com/Broken-Badges-Police-Internal-Affairs/dp/1937565890/)
Former Det Police Chief LA PD ... decades of work with internal affairs.

Quote:

<tbody>
...And then there’s the Internal Affairs Unit that’s supposed to
“police the police.” In well-run police departments, this unit
recognizes complaints, even from known dirt bags and criminals
often offer and provide valuable information.

Bad cops usually abuse those who have little or no credibility
within the community and are on the marginal side of humanity;
they are usually not the town bank president or PTA leader. A
well-run IA Unit accepts their job as being impartial fact-finders.
They work as hard to protect the name of good cops as they do to
uncover misconduct or mistakes. They treat complainants and
cops equally and professionally. They are the guards who protect
the reputation of the chief, sheriff, and agency. The chief or
sheriff in a well-run police agency knows Internal Affairs will
protect his back, and their ranks aren’t filled with “yes men and
women” who simply pat backs.

In malignant police agencies, the Internal Affairs Unit is either
nonexistent, works only to clear officers, or is known to be
“badge/tin collectors” or “headhunters,” getting a thrill when a
cop making a mistake is uncovered or is caught engaging in
wrongdoing. In these agencies, IA often abuses citizen
complainants. They create hurdles and obstacles for anyone who
might be interested in filing a complaint.

In every law enforcement department, good cops know who
the bad cops are. They know the skirt chasers, the heavy-handed
brutal bullies, those who make “hummer” or bad arrests, those
on the take, those who sleep through shifts, and those officers
who are racist, homophobic, or sexist. Mingling with cops and
keeping your ears and eyes open will reveal much. Bad cops
often believe no one is looking and no one cares. When no one
looks or cares, bad cops can control the agency...

</tbody>

[revelarts]

From a book by another former police chief...
Cop Culture: Why Good Cops Go Bad

Quote:

<tbody>
Sworn to protect and serve, police officers who stray into deviant behavior may become a citizen’s worst nightmare. A thoughtful examination of the formal and informal process of becoming blue, Cop Culture: Why Good Cops Go Bad is a unique combination of academic research based on Chief Scott Silverii’s doctoral dissertation and more than two decades in law enforcement. The book seeks to answer the ultimate question: why do good cops become bad cops?

Demonstrating the highly seductive and overwhelmingly influential culture of policing, the book presents interviews and observations by officers from across the country that explore how individuals may devolve into an aberrant subcultural fraternity. Chief Silverii explains the damaging effects upon the officers’ personal lives as they segregate from social and moral anchors and attach themselves to a lifestyle that may eventually bump up to criminality. Against the backdrop of the principles for organizational theory, acculturation, occupational socialization, and group culture, practical examples from real-life officers explain abstract ideals such as the "thin blue line" and the "code of silence."

This book is the first of its kind to combine an anthropological ethnography examining policing’s cultural expectancies with real-life experiences. By exploring the subculture of policing in vivid detail, it exposes the causes behind the separation from organizational ideals and a false status of detrimental hegemonic entitlement. Chief Silverii’s covert participant observations, semi-structured interviews, meta-analysis of relevant literature, and personal experiences provide readers with a scintillating panorama of this pervasive, destructive process. Chief Silverii also offers practical, proven solutions for creating a culture of change based on accountable, productive public service.

</tbody>

Respect the police but be realistic not Pollyanna. Human beings at work.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

To many people would have assumed that "he must have deserved it." because they don't believe police just punch people for no reason.

the fact is they can get away with it with some folks and they know it. power corrupts. and there brothers often stick by them out of a gang mentality or out of fear of reprisals for rating on a gang member.

some Depts don't promote that stuff and it is really a few bad apples, but in to many areas a random punch like that is just everyday "police work".




That sounds great!!! I need to move to where you are.

Tyr i just had to pay a speeding ticket. I went to court to try and beat it down.
In traffic court that day there were about 40-50 people. there we maybe 3 white people there.
I never even considered that the police might be picking on speeder because of race.
Should i reconsider Tyr?
Or just move to your area were only white peole are arrested for speeding?

Move here and get that extra special treatment my friend.
No reason why you should miss out on it..
Doesn't matter to me as we whites are getting shafted here all in the name of dem/lib sponsored PCness and appeasing of those that cry, beg, moan and whimper the loudest..-Tyr

[indago]

http://i61.tinypic.com/1zlsto9.jpg

[fj1200]

Doesn't matter to me as we whites are getting shafted here...

Nashville, Memphis Among Worst U.S. Cities To Be Black, Male and Unemployed (http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/archives/2012/07/17/nashville-memphis-among-worst-us-cities-to-be-black-male-and-unemployed)
:dunno:

[revelarts]

Police Shouldn’t Ask If a Shooting Is Justified, But If It’s Avoidable http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2014/11/25/opinion/seth/seth-thumbStandard.jpg
Seth Stoughton (http://www.law.sc.edu/faculty/stoughton/) is a professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law, where he is affiliated with the Rule of Law Collaborative. He served as a city police officer and state investigator. He is on Twitter (https://twitter.com/policelawprof).
Updated April 9, 2015, 2:06 PM
Every time a police shooting gets national attention, the difference in the conflicting attitudes that civilians and law enforcement have toward the use of force is glaring. That conflict drives much of the tension between police agencies and the communities they serve.

Too many officers see themselves as warriors, vigilant against enemies, not guardians, protecting the community.

When cops evaluate a use-of-force incident, they ask whether it was justified, focusing on the legal rule set by the Supreme Court in the 1989 case Graham v. Connor (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/490/386/). The Court held that officers may use force so long as it is “objectively reasonable.” To determine whether a particular action was objectively reasonable, the Court held, judges must view the situation through the deferential lens of “a reasonable officer on the scene.”
When civilians evaluate a use-of-force incident, they ask whether it was avoidable. They want to know whether the officer could have done something—anything—else.
The tragic shooting of Tamir Rice last November puts the difference between “justified” and “avoidable” in stark contrast. Officers responding to call that there was a “man with a gun” in a park drove to within about ten feet of their suspect. One officer jumped out of the car and, within two seconds, fatally shot the 12-year-old. Was it justified? Probably, if one narrowly considers the officers proximity to an apparently armed man. Was it avoidable? Almost certainly, when one acknowledges that the officers could have—and should have—parked at a safe distance and approached cautiously by using cover, concealment, and communication.
Why do most officers, charged with serving and protecting their communities, persist in asking whether a use of force was justified rather than necessary? I put a great deal of blame on the expansive “warrior mindset” that has become so highly esteemed in the law enforcement community. To protect themselves, to even survive, officers are taught to be ever-vigilant. Enemies abound, and the job of the Warrior is to fight and vanquish those enemies.
That’s not the right attitude for police. Our officers should be, must be, guardians, not warriors (http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/taskforce/Interim_TF_Report.pdf#page=17). The goal of the Guardian isn’t to defeat an enemy, it is to protect the community to the extent possible, including the community member that is resisting the officer’s attempt to arrest them. For the guardian, the use of avoidable violence is a failure, even if it satisfies the legal standard.
Society invests a tremendous amount of trust and responsibility into our police officers. Policing is a difficult job, not least because of the potential for violence that cannot be predicted or, in many cases, prevented.

But in the long run, it would be safer for everyone if officers saw their role as guarding the community, not defeating enemies.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/04/09/are-police-too-quick-to-use-force/police-shouldnt-ask-if-a-shooting-is-justified-but-if-its-avoidable





Trust Is a Police Officer’s Greatest ProtectionAs a rookie police officer, I was given a pair of handcuffs to detain people, chemical spray and a baton to physically enforce my commands and a gun that I could have used to kill someone.But most important was the badge I was given, signifying the ultimate source of my authority: the trust of the community I served.

Police are given tremendous discretion and responsibility. Our legal system must ensure that they exercise their authority appropriately.

The same is true of every law enforcement officer in the country. Society vests the men and women in uniform with a tremendous discretion and responsibility. Our legal system has the obligation to ensure that they exercise their authority appropriately. Police officers wield enormous authority, and we should hold them to a correspondingly high standard.
Unfortunately, our legal system often falls short. When a police officer is accused of malfeasance, a bevy of legal protections make it difficult to thoroughly investigate misconduct, effectively prosecute criminal activity or successfully pursue civil claims. Further, there are institutional obstacles to police accountability; many agencies investigate accusations against officers entirely in-house, for example, and local prosecutors can be extremely reluctant to bring charges against police officers......
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/11/25/does-ferguson-show-that-cops-who-kill-get-off-too-easily/trust-is-a-police-officers-greatest-protection

[revelarts]

Police-Involved Shootings Highlight Problem With Law Enforcement 'Culture'
NPR's Audie Cornish talks with Seth Stoughton, an assistant professor at the University of South Carolina School of Law, about his view that there needs to be a paradigm shift in policing away from the "warrior mindset" to a "guardian" role.


The shocking video of the North Charleston shooting has also raised questions about when and how police use deadly force. Our next guest thinks this incident and others in Ferguson, Mo., Staten Island and elsewhere point to a larger problem with the culture of policing. Seth Stoughton is at the University of South Carolina School of Law. He's also a former police officer. He's concerned about what he calls the warrior mindset of police culture. He says officers see themselves as soldiers, and every citizen is a potential threat. Seth Stoughton says it starts at the academy.

SETH STOUGHTON: You see really heart-wrenching videos that are presented as officer survival training, but the videos show many officers being brutally beaten or killed. The point of that training is to drive home the fact that hesitation or complacency can be fatal. The problem with that is that it drives a huge wedge between officers and the civilians that they interact with, and it dramatically exaggerates the actual dangers of policing.
CORNISH: So what does this kind of - you describe hyper-vigilance - look like in terms of everyday interactions with police?
STOUGHTON: Sure. So I'll give you an example. Imagine that you are a police officer. You are driving around. You are a new officer. You're looking to make those community contacts that will be so useful throughout your career, except everyone that you see as you drive around, you have been told repeatedly, is a potential armed threat and is maybe interested in and certainly capable of killing you.
CORNISH: You argue that instead of warriors, the culture of policing should be focused on being a guardian, and this puts the focus on not just service, but being respectful and considerate in your interactions with people. And one of your suggestions is that they have contact with people - meaningful contact that does not require, like, checking ID and things like that. Why is that significant?
STOUGHTON: It's about officers getting to know people as individuals and giving the community a chance to get to know them as individuals. Let me give you an example. I was a young patrol officer. I had been having a bad night, and I spoke to someone not very nicely. And another officer who had been a rural sheriff for a while said, you really need to talk to people better than that. You need to relate to them better. And the reason that that's so important is because if you're getting your butt kicked one day, you want people in the community to stand up for you and to say, no, no, he's one of the good guys. You don't want them to join in the kicking. And that, I think, makes the point perfectly clear. We actually increase officer safety, and we increase community safety by building better relationships - that is by just getting to know people as individuals and by respecting them as individuals in our encounters with them.
CORNISH: The mindset you describe, the warrior mindset, seems pretty deeply ingrained. I mean, how do you see this really changing?
STOUGHTON: I do not see it changing quickly. I think it will take a sustained effort, starting at the police academy. And it has to be sustained through in-service training. One of the things that we see in policing is that there are generational effects. That is, a lot of what young officers learn, they learn from more senior officers. But that also means that you can phase out different aspects of police training as older officers retire, you can change police culture gradually. This is not a three-month or a six-month endeavor. This is a 20-year endeavor, but it could completely reshape police culture.
CORNISH: Seth Stoughton - he teaches criminal law at the University of South Carolina School of Law. He's also a former police officer. Seth Stoughton, thanks so much for speaking with us.
STOUGHTON: Thank you, Audie.


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http://www.npr.org/2015/04/10/398824607/police-involved-shootings-highlight-problem-with-law-enforcement-culture

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Nashville, Memphis Among Worst U.S. Cities To Be Black, Male and Unemployed (http://www.nashvillescene.com/pitw/archives/2012/07/17/nashville-memphis-among-worst-us-cities-to-be-black-male-and-unemployed)
:dunno:

I do not live in either of those cities. I speak of where I do live.. AND AROUND HERE THE DAMN RACE CARD FIX IS IN ...
IT HAS BEEN IN SINCE THE EARLY 80'S..
Myself, I am damn tired of it because its insanity and dumbass thinking to boot..

CORRUPTION TO FAVOR THE BLACKS IS INSTITUTIONALIZED HERE. --TYR

[aboutime]

I am now also convinced, Rev is actually either..Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton.

If I am wrong. There obviously is no way to prove I am wrong. So..I'll stick to that!

As for those who hate cops. I'm sorry. Become part of the solution, and not continue the problem.

[WiccanLiberal]

Alison Lynn & Matt Gutman for ABC News 18 December 2014:
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Alecia and Bounkham Phonesavanh never imagined their family would be at the center of a controversy over the militarization of police. But that’s exactly where they found themselves when their toddler was seriously injured by a SWAT team, also leaving them with a $1 million medical bill they have no hope of paying.

“They messed up,” Alecia Phonesavanh told ABC News' "20/20." “They had a faulty search warrant. They raided the wrong house.”

Watch the full story on ABC News' "20/20" Friday, Dec. 19 at 10 p.m. ET
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article (http://news.yahoo.com/family-toddler-injured-swat-grenade-faces-1m-medical-222337533--abc-news-topstories.html)

The problem I have with this story is that the family that owned the home was harboring a known meth dealer. he wasn't there at the time of the raid but police were anticipating a likely armed suspect. The child's injuries are sad but an accident that was the result of legitimate police action to apprehend a criminal. Sorry but I live in a neighborhood that can, kindly, be described as underprivileged. Police show up frequently and you make darned sure you are nowhere near the low lives they are looking for.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 8 April 2015:
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Feidin Santana told MSNBC that he initially considered deleting the video he recorded of a police officer shooting at Walter Scott eight times as Scott ran away, and thought about leaving North Charleston out of fear for his own safety.

Santana, a barber originally from the Dominican Republic, said he was walking to work Saturday when he saw police pursuing Scott and followed them to the area where the shooting unfolded. Santana said he heard the sound of a Taser being deployed and Scott began running before the shots were fired. Santana said Scott appeared to have already been unconscious when the officer put handcuffs on him and walked away.

Santana said he later saw a police report about the shooting and knew that he had to come forward because the officer's account of what led to the shooting didn't match what he recorded. Santana said he showed the video to a friend after reading the report, and his friend agreed that he needed to come forward.
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Journalist Russ Bynum wrote for The Associated Press 10 April 2015:
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Walter Scott had much to celebrate: His job as a warehouse forklift operator, which had begun as temporary work over the holidays, was going so well his boss was determined to keep him as a permanent hire. And he had popped the question to his longtime girlfriend, who had agreed to become Scott's third wife.

But Scott also had a problem that kept him looking over his shoulder: The father of four had fallen behind, again, on his child support payments. Failure to pay can mean jail time in South Carolina, and Scott had been locked up three times since 2008.

His family suspects it was Scott's fear of returning to jail that led him to run during a traffic stop last Saturday.

Scott ended up dead, shot in the back. The policeman who opened fire was charged with murder after the shooting was caught on video, and the case stirred outrage across the country as the latest instance of an unarmed black man killed by a white officer.

Rodney Scott said his brother would take long detours when driving to their parents' house because he thought there were more police patrolling the direct, 10-minute route from his home. He said Walter also tried to make sure any vehicle he drove had working headlights and taillights.

A few days before his death, Scott struck a deal to buy a 1991 Mercedes from a neighbor. His old van, a hand-me-down from his parents, had bald tires and a failing transmission. The Mercedes needed some work, too, Scott's brother said, but it seemed like a reliable ride that he could afford.

Scott was driving his new car to an auto parts store Saturday morning, his brothers said, when a North Charleston policeman pulled him over for what the officer told him was a bad taillight. With flashing lights in his rearview mirror, Scott called his mother to say he might be headed back to jail.

"He wanted to let her know he was getting pulled over and the way this was going, he'd probably be getting arrested," said Anthony Scott, his older brother. "In other words: `Get ready to come and get me.'"

...Separate video, recorded by a bystander, captures the officer firing eight shots at the fleeing man. Slager had initially said Scott was shot in a scuffle over the officer's stun gun.
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[indago]

From nbclosangeles 10 April 2015:
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Deputies appeared to use Tasers to stun a man and then beat him after the pursuit in San Bernardino County Thursday afternoon. ...The man appeared to fall to the ground with his arms outstretched. Two deputies immediately descended on him and began punching him in the head and kneeing him in the groin.

The group surrounding the man grew to 11 sheriff's deputies.
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Journalists Tami Abdollah and Amy Taxin wrote for The Associated Press 11 April 2015:
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Ten sheriff's deputies in Southern California have been put on leave after several of them were shown on video kicking and punching a man following a 2 1/2-hour chase involving a stolen horse. San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said Friday that the video "disturbed and troubled" him and appeared to show an excessive use of force. ...McMahon said internal and criminal investigations are under way. The FBI announced Friday it was starting a civil rights investigation. "I'm asking for some patience while we complete a thorough and fair investigation," McMahon said. "I am disturbed and troubled by what I see in the video. It does not appear to be in line with our policies and procedures.

...McMahon said the department received multiple threats after the video was aired.

...After the beating, a deputy whispered in his ear: "This isn't over,'" attorney Jim Terrell said. "And that's why he's scared to death for himself and his family right now," Terrell said.
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[fj1200]

I do not live in either of those cities. I speak of where I do live.. AND AROUND HERE THE DAMN RACE CARD FIX IS IN ...
IT HAS BEEN IN SINCE THE EARLY 80'S..
Myself, I am damn tired of it because its insanity and dumbass thinking to boot..

CORRUPTION TO FAVOR THE BLACKS IS INSTITUTIONALIZED HERE. --TYR

Yes, I'm quite sure that your statement is true. :rolleyes: It would be like the only city in the country.

[indago]

From The New York Times 15 April 2015:
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The New York City Council is again calling for the hiring of 1,000 additional police officers, a request that Mayor Bill de Blasio rejected last year. Undeterred, the Council, led by Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito, outlined a budget proposal this week that would spend $68.7 million in the coming fiscal year, which begins on July 1, to add 1,000 officers to the class that will enter the Police Academy in July.

But in a letter sent to Ms. Mark-Viverito on Wednesday, nearly five dozen organizations, including Communities United for Police Reform and the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund, questioned whether the Council was trading away community services for more “community policing.” The letter listed a variety of programs that could be financed with the money the Council wants to spend on the new officers. Many more teenagers, for example, could be provided with summer jobs than the 50,000 who were hired this year, the letter stated, noting that about 83,000 young people were shut out of summer jobs last year because of a lack of money.

...The Council’s renewed push to increase the number of officers comes amid a national debate over police-civilian relations, which have been strained by the killings of several men at the hands of officers. ...“Folks would like to think that before you put more police officers on the street, you change the culture of police.”
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/16/nyregion/city-council-speaker-draws-ire-of-allies-on-police-hiring.html?ref=todayspaper)

[indago]

From The Associated Press 18 April 2015:
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An Ohio police officer is being praised for holding his fire even as a slaying suspect charged him, saying repeatedly, "shoot me." ...The video shows Kidder repeatedly backpedaling and telling 27-year-old Michael Wilcox he doesn't want to shoot him. ..."He jumped out and he sprinted toward me. I had my firearm already drawn ... and I told him to put his hands up in the air and he was screaming ... `Shoot me! Shoot me!' " Kidder said he watched Wilcox's hands and didn't believe he was going to shoot at him, so he kept yelling back to Wilcox that didn't want to shoot him. Backup officers arrived and Wilcox surrendered.
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[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G4RXGQoU5A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G4RXGQoU5A

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

From a book by another former police chief...
Cop Culture: Why Good Cops Go Bad

Quote:

<tbody>
Sworn to protect and serve, police officers who stray into deviant behavior may become a citizen’s worst nightmare. A thoughtful examination of the formal and informal process of becoming blue, Cop Culture: Why Good Cops Go Bad is a unique combination of academic research based on Chief Scott Silverii’s doctoral dissertation and more than two decades in law enforcement. The book seeks to answer the ultimate question: why do good cops become bad cops?

Demonstrating the highly seductive and overwhelmingly influential culture of policing, the book presents interviews and observations by officers from across the country that explore how individuals may devolve into an aberrant subcultural fraternity. Chief Silverii explains the damaging effects upon the officers’ personal lives as they segregate from social and moral anchors and attach themselves to a lifestyle that may eventually bump up to criminality. Against the backdrop of the principles for organizational theory, acculturation, occupational socialization, and group culture, practical examples from real-life officers explain abstract ideals such as the "thin blue line" and the "code of silence."

This book is the first of its kind to combine an anthropological ethnography examining policing’s cultural expectancies with real-life experiences. By exploring the subculture of policing in vivid detail, it exposes the causes behind the separation from organizational ideals and a false status of detrimental hegemonic entitlement. Chief Silverii’s covert participant observations, semi-structured interviews, meta-analysis of relevant literature, and personal experiences provide readers with a scintillating panorama of this pervasive, destructive process. Chief Silverii also offers practical, proven solutions for creating a culture of change based on accountable, productive public service.

</tbody>

Respect the police but be realistic not Pollyanna. Human beings at work.

The sad truth is more cops than ever are bad.. And I mean all levels of bad combined..
Which includes have that superior arrogant mentality and daily verbal abuse to innocent people.
Seems they are being taught to never admit they are wrong or that they are not perfect, which is strange since so many of them do not even know the limits or entirety of the laws they are obligated to uphold.
When one is dead wrong try telling him/her that as politely as you can--9 times out of ten you get rebuffed, verbally abused -if not treated far worse.
As far as being civil and decent only about 25% meet that level of professionalism and thats my being generous in my judgment IMHO. -TYR

[indago]

Melendez, 46, is facing two counts including; Misconduct in Office, and Assault with Intent to Do Great Bodily Harm Less than Murder. He was seen on camera brutally beating Floyd Dent.

article/video (http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/wayne-county/former-inkster-police-officer-charged-with-misconduct-assault-after-violent-arrest-of-floyd-dent)

[Gunny]

You are suggesting that these instances be swept under the rug?

I'd suggest they not be so one-sided. I must have missed the "Black cop shoot black crook", "black cop shoots white crook" articles. Or you could look through the San Antonio Express. Odds are in South Texas no matter WHAT color your skin is you're going to get shot by a Mexican American cop.

No one suggested sweeping anything under the rug. Just pointed out that sensationalizing a handful of alleged bad cops and or wrongful deaths/shootings vs the 98% that go to work and do their jobs.

And as anyone here can tell you, I hate cops. Especially small town Andy and Barny cops who can get away with whatever bullshit lies they want to tell to suit their agendas. However, that doesn't make them all bad.

The only job worse today is being in the military ground forces overseas. And the military has that "10%" too.

When you get your crown of thorns, let me know.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 21 April 2015:
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The Supreme Court said Tuesday that police may not extend an ordinary traffic stop to seek evidence of crimes unrelated to the offense that prompted officers to pull a vehicle over. The justices voted 6-3 in favor of a driver who was found to have methamphetamine in his car. Dennys Rodriguez was issued a warning for driving on the shoulder of a Nebraska highway and then made to wait less than 10 minutes for officers to walk a drug-sniffing dog around the car. The dog alerted and a search of the vehicle turned up the drugs.
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article (http://news.yahoo.com/justices-police-cant-extend-traffic-stop-awaiting-drug-142805661.html)

[Gunny]

From The Associated Press 21 April 2015:
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The Supreme Court said Tuesday that police may not extend an ordinary traffic stop to seek evidence of crimes unrelated to the offense that prompted officers to pull a vehicle over. The justices voted 6-3 in favor of a driver who was found to have methamphetamine in his car. Dennys Rodriguez was issued a warning for driving on the shoulder of a Nebraska highway and then made to wait less than 10 minutes for officers to walk a drug-sniffing dog around the car. The dog alerted and a search of the vehicle turned up the drugs.
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article (http://news.yahoo.com/justices-police-cant-extend-traffic-stop-awaiting-drug-142805661.html)

And THAT is just bullsh*t. Stupid decision.

Operating a motor vehicle is a PRIVILEGE granted by the STATE, not the Federal Government. The conditions for operating a motor vehicle within a state are made by the STATE, not the Federal Government.

[aboutime]

Since Obama ignores all of our laws, and also ignores the Constitution.

Why should ANY AMERICAN be expected to obey, follow, respect, or observe any LAWS, Federal, State, or Local?

Oh, wait a second. That's called.....ANARCHY!

That's really what Obama, Holder, Reid, Pelosi, and every Democrat in this nation WANT!

Looks like it's working as planned! Everyone here who despises any kind of authority, or Law officer's IS HAPPY NOW!

[indago]

Operating a motor vehicle is a PRIVILEGE granted by the STATE...

Obtaining license is a privilege granted by a higher authority. If you ask for permission, then the permission can be either granted or denied, at the whim of the higher authority. There was a time when driving an automobile on the public roads was a right, but the people let this right slip through their fingers.

It is explained, in the Yale Law Journal of 1931: "The law has drawn a distinction between the ordinary use of the highway for travel, and its use for purposes of private gain. A vehicle on the road for the former purpose is there as of 'right'; one using it in the latter manner has only a 'privilege' of use."

The Constitutional Law section of American Jurisprudence explains the right: "While the freedom to travel within the United States has been held to be a basic right under the Federal Constitution which is independent of a specific provision therein, the right of locomotion has also been held to be a part of the 'liberty' guaranteed by the due process clauses."

Justice Epes, delivering the opinion of the Supreme Court of Appeals of Virginia, explained the right quite clearly and frankly: "The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon in the ordinary course of life and business is a common right which he has under his right to enjoy life and liberty, to acquire and possess property, and to pursue happiness and safety. It includes the right in so doing to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day; and under the existing modes of travel includes the right to drive a horse-drawn carriage or wagon thereon, or to operate an automobile thereon, for the usual and ordinary purposes of life and business. It is not a mere privilege, like the privilege of moving a house in the street, or transporting persons or property for hire along the street, which a city may permit or prohibit at will." Justice Griffith, delivering an opinion of the Supreme Court of Mississippi, declared, upon reviewing the opinion of Justice Epes of Virginia concerning this most valuable of rights: "There seems to be no dissent among the authorities on this proposition."

[fj1200]

And THAT is just bullsh*t. Stupid decision.

Operating a motor vehicle is a PRIVILEGE granted by the STATE, not the Federal Government. The conditions for operating a motor vehicle within a state are made by the STATE, not the Federal Government.

But the state has to abide by the 4th. It's good to see the 4th upheld occasionally. IMO they either had probable cause to begin with and shouldn't have to bring in additional resources to find probable cause. It was fishing.

[revelarts]

Obtaining license is a privilege granted by a higher authority. If you ask for permission, then the permission can be either granted or denied, at the whim of the higher authority. There was a time when driving an automobile on the public roads was a right, but the people let this right slip through their fingers.

It is explained, in the Yale Law Journal of 1931: "The law has drawn a distinction between the ordinary use of the highway for travel, and its use for purposes of private gain. A vehicle on the road for the former purpose is there as of 'right'; one using it in the latter manner has only a 'privilege' of use."

The Constitutional Law section of American Jurisprudence explains the right: "While the freedom to travel within the United States has been held to be a basic right under the Federal Constitution which is independent of a specific provision therein, the right of locomotion has also been held to be a part of the 'liberty' guaranteed by the due process clauses."

Justice Epes, delivering the opinion of the Supreme Court of Appeals of Virginia, explained the right quite clearly and frankly: "The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon in the ordinary course of life and business is a common right which he has under his right to enjoy life and liberty, to acquire and possess property, and to pursue happiness and safety. It includes the right in so doing to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day; and under the existing modes of travel includes the right to drive a horse-drawn carriage or wagon thereon, or to operate an automobile thereon, for the usual and ordinary purposes of life and business. It is not a mere privilege, like the privilege of moving a house in the street, or transporting persons or property for hire along the street, which a city may permit or prohibit at will." Justice Griffith, delivering an opinion of the Supreme Court of Mississippi, declared, upon reviewing the opinion of Justice Epes of Virginia concerning this most valuable of rights: "There seems to be no dissent among the authorities on this proposition."

yep

the whole " Driving Is A Privileged not a right" thing never sounded right to me, even as a kid.

I heard this crazy preacher Butch Paugh on the radio SPLAIN It for me....
"Drivers licensing and state vehicle registrations are unconstitutional: 'It is an unlawful restriction on a persons right of freedom to travel...' Supreme Court
Do you need a license to walk on the publicly paid for sidewalk? We paid for the roads just as well didn't we?...."

he quoted this

"The following argument has been used in at least three*states (Pennsylvania, Ohio, and*West*Virginia) as a legal*brief to support a demand for dismissal of charges of "driving*without a*license." It is the argument that was the reason for the charges to be dropped, or for a*"win" in*court against the argument that free*people can have their right to travel regulated by their servants.
The forgotten legal maxim is that free*people have a right to travel on the roads which are provided by their servants for that purpose, using ordinary transportation of the day. Licensing cannot be required of free*people, because taking on the restrictions of a license requires the surrender of a*right. The driver's*license can be required of people who use the highways for trade, commerce, or*hire; that*is, if they earn their living on the road, and if they use extraordinary machines on the roads. If you are not using the highways for profit, you cannot be required to have a driver's*license.*"
read More here ensuretheblessingsofliberty (http://mynetbox.info/ensure/index2.html)

Click to hear interview (http://ensuretheblessingsofliberty.us/audio/nodriverslicense.mp3) (http://mynetbox.info/ensure/audio/nodriverslicense.mp3)with Pennsylvania State Representative Samuel E. Rohrer who found the info that it's unconstitutional and has tried to move to make some changes to state law.

Now I don't push this concept, but I don't like to concede the to the mantra.

[jimnyc]

I'll add this one. This one pissed me off. With all of the camera stuff, obviously the police all know by now that it's quite legal. I'm all for them arresting or taking away phones if these people are a danger to operations, but this woman just annoyed them is all.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzxZAwBUWI4

For the record, I know he is currently being investigated, so he very well may not get away with it. I'll be curious to see if her memory card survived.

[Gunny]

Obtaining license is a privilege granted by a higher authority. If you ask for permission, then the permission can be either granted or denied, at the whim of the higher authority. There was a time when driving an automobile on the public roads was a right, but the people let this right slip through their fingers.

It is explained, in the Yale Law Journal of 1931: "The law has drawn a distinction between the ordinary use of the highway for travel, and its use for purposes of private gain. A vehicle on the road for the former purpose is there as of 'right'; one using it in the latter manner has only a 'privilege' of use."

The Constitutional Law section of American Jurisprudence explains the right: "While the freedom to travel within the United States has been held to be a basic right under the Federal Constitution which is independent of a specific provision therein, the right of locomotion has also been held to be a part of the 'liberty' guaranteed by the due process clauses."

Justice Epes, delivering the opinion of the Supreme Court of Appeals of Virginia, explained the right quite clearly and frankly: "The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon in the ordinary course of life and business is a common right which he has under his right to enjoy life and liberty, to acquire and possess property, and to pursue happiness and safety. It includes the right in so doing to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day; and under the existing modes of travel includes the right to drive a horse-drawn carriage or wagon thereon, or to operate an automobile thereon, for the usual and ordinary purposes of life and business. It is not a mere privilege, like the privilege of moving a house in the street, or transporting persons or property for hire along the street, which a city may permit or prohibit at will." Justice Griffith, delivering an opinion of the Supreme Court of Mississippi, declared, upon reviewing the opinion of Justice Epes of Virginia concerning this most valuable of rights: "There seems to be no dissent among the authorities on this proposition."

Incorrect. Driving a vehicle on PUBLIC roads has NEVER been a RIGHT. That's a bunch of junk. Driving is a privilege. If it was a right, the states couldn't take it away, and there would be a single uniform law; which, there isn't. Each state makes up it own crap.

By your definition, I can ride my horse down the Interstate. Except for the part where the Interstate was built for the military, not the public.

[Gunny]

But the state has to abide by the 4th. It's good to see the 4th upheld occasionally. IMO they either had probable cause to begin with and shouldn't have to bring in additional resources to find probable cause. It was fishing.

I didn't notice any mention of what the probable cause was. I'm the LAST person you'll see defending a cop's right to roust someone for no reason.

I'm not going to agree with tying a cop's hands if there IS probable cause either.

[aboutime]

Screw it. Let's all just do whatever we want, whenever we want. Ignore the laws. Pretend everything we want to do has no consequences. There's no need to follow, or obey any laws we don't like.

In fact. Let's all just agree to do a Holder, and forget we even have a lousy Constitution.

Tell us how that works out for all of you who hate cops.

No wonder this nation is going down the Shitter. Look at all the endorsements for disobeying what you don't like.

[Gunny]

Screw it. Let's all just do whatever we want, whenever we want. Ignore the laws. Pretend everything we want to do has no consequences. There's no need to follow, or obey any laws we don't like.

In fact. Let's all just agree to do a Holder, and forget we even have a lousy Constitution.

Tell us how that works out for all of you who hate cops.

No wonder this nation is going down the Shitter. Look at all the endorsements for disobeying what you don't like.

There are two sides to this coin:

Laws are in place to begin with to protect the weak and the account for the irresponsible. If everyone was personally responsible for their own actions, we wouldn't need them. That's not anarchy. Nor is it reality. We live in a society where there's always someone/something else to blame.

However, cops are heavy-handed. You try to jerk me out of my truck and hammer me to the ground it's on. There's no reason for that shrill screaming, and manhandling, both of which will set me off and I WILL go off. So they better have one of their usual 10 on 1 gangs going.

I DO understand they have to do their job. And for the cops that do their jobs, kudos. For the ones out to prove they're Billy Badass and in charge, I got a special finger for them. I've even had cops themselves back off a Billy Badass cop from me because they saw what was about to happen.

But at what point is doing their job not worth the outcome?

[indago]

The State does not have a program for those who wish to drive an automobile as a basic right. Such a program could include a course on the Rules of the Road; driving a car; and upon completion, a Certificate of Competency that the individual recognizes that there are others on the road who are just as concerned about a safe trip. The State can withdraw the "privilege" at will, or many "conditions" can be placed upon the use of the "privilege", such as have been proposed by some legislators that your rights be waived and the individual must submit to alcohol tests, and searches and seizures; and that child support payments must be up to date or the drivers "license" will be revoked. If the individual is "licensed" by the State, his "privilege" may well be revoked at the whim of the State. This is where the inhabitants of the States should rise up against this feudal system, and demand that the right to drive an automobile be recognized.


But instead, we have this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCaxov73ckQ

[Gunny]

The State does not have a program for those who wish to drive an automobile as a basic right. Such a program could include a course on the Rules of the Road; driving a car; and upon completion, a Certificate of Competency that the individual recognizes that there are others on the road who are just as concerned about a safe trip. The State can withdraw the "privilege" at will, or many "conditions" can be placed upon the use of the "privilege", such as have been proposed by some legislators that your rights be waived and the individual must submit to alcohol tests, and searches and seizures; and that child support payments must be up to date or the drivers "license" will be revoked. If the individual is "licensed" by the State, his "privilege" may well be revoked at the whim of the State. This is where the inhabitants of the States should rise up against this feudal system, and demand that the right to drive an automobile be recognized.


But instead, we have this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCaxov73ckQ

Let's try this again for the Sesame Street crowd:

You pay for your license and registration. That's NOT a "right". ANd the state can deny you the privilege whenever they want. That's not a "right".

[fj1200]

I didn't notice any mention of what the probable cause was. I'm the LAST person you'll see defending a cop's right to roust someone for no reason.

I'm not going to agree with tying a cop's hands if there IS probable cause either.

I don't think I worded that well. I don't think they had any probable cause in the first place necessitating the drug dog. If they had probable cause then no need for the dog, just start searching.

[revelarts]

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wow

[indago]

Interrogation


Journalist Colin Moynihan wrote for The New York Times 28 April 2015:
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Last December, as people arrested during protests related to the death of Eric Garner waited to be released from Police Headquarters in Manhattan, an officer removed a 28-year-old woman from a holding cell there. The woman, Leighann Starkey, a doctoral student who lives in Harlem, said recently that she was escorted to a separate area where she was asked by two detectives how she knew about the demonstrations, what social media she used to keep track of them and whether she was part of a protest group. One detective, she said, asked whether she had ties to terrorists. Another protester held that night, Christina Wilkerson, said officers told her she would not be released until she had been questioned; she stayed in custody for about 12 hours.

...The post-arrest questioning of Ms. Starkey, Ms. Wilkerson and at least nine others during the Garner protests, which has not been previously reported, has renewed long-running concerns among civil liberties activists about police practices that may have a chilling effect on activities protected by the First Amendment, like protest and free speech.
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/nyregion/questioning-of-garner-protesters-in-new-york-renews-concerns-about-police-practices.html?ref=todayspaper)

[Gunny]

Interrogation


Journalist Colin Moynihan wrote for The New York Times 28 April 2015:
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Last December, as people arrested during protests related to the death of Eric Garner waited to be released from Police Headquarters in Manhattan, an officer removed a 28-year-old woman from a holding cell there. The woman, Leighann Starkey, a doctoral student who lives in Harlem, said recently that she was escorted to a separate area where she was asked by two detectives how she knew about the demonstrations, what social media she used to keep track of them and whether she was part of a protest group. One detective, she said, asked whether she had ties to terrorists. Another protester held that night, Christina Wilkerson, said officers told her she would not be released until she had been questioned; she stayed in custody for about 12 hours.

...The post-arrest questioning of Ms. Starkey, Ms. Wilkerson and at least nine others during the Garner protests, which has not been previously reported, has renewed long-running concerns among civil liberties activists about police practices that may have a chilling effect on activities protected by the First Amendment, like protest and free speech.
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/nyregion/questioning-of-garner-protesters-in-new-york-renews-concerns-about-police-practices.html?ref=todayspaper)

1. Don't get arrested.

2. Cops play word games and use them as they wish. Exercise your right to remain silent. You don't have to answer anything. It's lose lose and if you talk, you're dumb. Even if you're innocent.

If you agree to take a polygraph and you fail, you're guilty. If you refuse, you're guilty.

If you are too emotional, you're guilty and faking it. It if you aren't emotional enough, you're guilty and don't care.

Whining about your Rights gets you nowhere. In practice, we are all guilty until proven innocent, regardless what you think your rights are. Try dealing the reality instead of the ideal.

[Drummond]

I'll chuck this in just for the hell of it. This might be of no interest, as it's not US-based ... I don't necessarily expect any responses. Very understandable, if so.

'Stop & Search' police powers, where police stop citizens on the street and demand to search them, have been the subject of much debate in the UK. Now, I'm unsure what powers US police forces have ... but, here ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28923242


All 43 police forces in England and Wales have agreed to adopt a new government code of conduct on the use of their powers to stop and search members of the public.

Home Secretary Theresa May had said the technique was being misused so often that it was damaging relations between the public and police.

Police will now record every outcome resulting from stop and search.

There will also be more limits on using the controversial "Section 60" stops.

Officers will need higher authorisation than at present to deploy Section 60 powers, under which someone may be stopped without grounds for suspicion in a situation where serious violence is anticipated.

Police will also soon allow public observers to watch stop and search in operation.

Next year, police will start mapping where the practice is used so people can see if one area is targeted more than others, and the public will be entitled to know why this is the case.

The changes are being brought in after Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary found that 27% of stop and searches did not satisfy the requirement that there be "reasonable grounds for suspicion", meaning more than 250,000 of the one million searches conducted last year could have been illegal.

The adoption of the Best Use of Stop and Search code comes as the Metropolitan Police said it used Section 60 powers after violent incidents at the Notting Hill Carnival in London on Monday.

Ken Hinds, a member of the London borough of Haringey's stop and search monitoring group, does not believe the new code will be enough to change attitudes in some areas.

Mr Hinds says none of the 125 stop and searches he has been subjected to in the last 30 years has resulted in police finding he has done anything illegal.

[Gunny]

I'll chuck this in just for the hell of it. This might be of no interest, as it's not US-based ... I don't necessarily expect any responses. Very understandable, if so.

'Stop & Search' police powers have been the subject of much debate in the UK. Now, I'm unsure what powers US police forces have ... but, here ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28923242



You can't search in the US without probable cause. The police definitely abuse their authority on that one. Stop you for a traffic ticket and end up searching your vehicle. You can say to consent. Then they'll just call in a dope dog or whatever to get their probable cause. By ones means or another, if they're determined to search, you get searched.

They can search your person to "prove you are not a threat to them". They will handcuff you for both their and "your" protection pretty much without cause.

They can stop you on any pretext. I got a ticket last summer for no seatbelt when I know damned well it was BS. I haven't not worn my seatbelt since my oldest daughter was born (that'd be 30 years). It was just my turn for the ticket quota. What's the point to arguing about it? I'm white. I just lose.

I'm not from Baltimore and I'm not black. I'm from South Texas and I'm white. Arguing with a cop just gets you more tickets or a trip to jail. I don't think it's right. But it's not worth arguing over. It also isn't worth posting a thread painting all cops out to be bad guys. They aren't.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 30 April 2015:
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The family of a man killed by a Milwaukee police officer plans to mark the anniversary of his death Thursday with a march to the downtown park where he was shot... ...Hamilton, who was black, grabbed the officer's baton and attacked him with it, and the officer opened fire. He shot Hamilton 14 times.

...the officer improperly started an unwarranted pat-down of Hamilton.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_KILLINGS_BY_POLICE_MILWAUKEE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-04-30-07-12-52)

He shot Hamilton 14 times

Just another day of target practice at the gun range...

[revelarts]

1. Don't get arrested.
....
UM don't protest is what you're saying here. there's no way to guarantee you won't be assisted at a protest.
Cops can make a mistake or decided they want to take a leader or folks in a certain place or just arrest people for no reason.

the 1st one doesn't fly.

your 2nd point has a lot of merit.

[Drummond]

You can't search in the US without probable cause. The police definitely abuse their authority on that one. Stop you for a traffic ticket and end up searching your vehicle. You can say to consent. Then they'll just call in a dope dog or whatever to get their probable cause. By ones means or another, if they're determined to search, you get searched.

They can search your person to "prove you are not a threat to them". They will handcuff you for both their and "your" protection pretty much without cause.

They can stop you on any pretext. I got a ticket last summer for no seatbelt when I know damned well it was BS. I haven't not worn my seatbelt since my oldest daughter was born (that'd be 30 years). It was just my turn for the ticket quota. What's the point to arguing about it? I'm white. I just lose.

I'm not from Baltimore and I'm not black. I'm from South Texas and I'm white. Arguing with a cop just gets you more tickets or a trip to jail. I don't think it's right. But it's not worth arguing over. It also isn't worth posting a thread painting all cops out to be bad guys. They aren't.

H'm. Sounds a lot like our situation, over here. It's supposed to be something our Conservative Government is tightening up on, to ensure that all searches are fully in line with the reason the law we have allows them to do it. Whether the 'tightening up' will make any useful difference .. anybody's guess, though I won't hold my breath ..

That said, in all honesty, I can't feel 'bad' about that. I'd much rather have an over-keen police force, even IF they get it wrong, than an indifferent police force that'll let everyone off the hook.

In England's riots, our police was heavily criticised for not doing nearly enough to put a stop to it. Video footage revealed police standing idly by while rioters ransacked stores ....

[Gunny]

UM don't protest is what you're saying here. there's no way to guarantee you won't be assisted at a protest.
Cops can make a mistake or decided they want to take a leader or folks in a certain place or just arrest people for no reason.

the 1st one doesn't fly.

your 2nd point has a lot of merit.

Protests are pointless. They accomplish nothing. "I want my voice to be heard". The only voices I've heard since Monday are news reporters, OpEds and politicians. A lot of property has been destroyed and the lives of those who don't give a damn about your protest disrupted.

The only message I've gotten out of the whole thing is that is more unfair for a cop to shoot a young black criminal than it is any other criminal. There's nothing rational nor reasonable to the argument.

A ticket's not worth arguing over, nor is them looking in my truck. I'm not a criminal.

[indago]

I'm not a criminal.

Of course, to an approaching police officer, you're saying so isn't worth a cuspidor full of tobacco juice spit!

[Gunny]

Of course, to an approaching police officer, you're saying so isn't worth a cuspidor full of tobacco juice spit!

No. I bathe. Shave. Wear clean clothes. I keep my vehicle clean. I don't hang out where drugs are sold. To an approaching officer, I'm just another relatively normal person. Appearances mean a LOT. You don't have to like it, but that's how it is.

Last time I a cop got rough with me I ws a teenager, had long hair, bell bottoms and a tie-dye shirt on. And surprisingly, I wasn't black.

People expect certain behavior from who and what they are looking at.

[indago]

Journalist Timothy Williams wrote for The New York Times 30 April 2015:
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As Justice Department officials began meeting with community leaders in Baltimore this week in the early stages of their civil rights inquiry into the death of Freddie Gray, they heard repeated complaints about a state law that gives special legal protections to police officers suspected of abusing their power.

The law is similar to at least a dozen across the country, commonly known as police officers' bills of rights. But Maryland's, enacted in the early 1970s, was the first and goes the furthest in offering layers of legal protection to police officers. Among its provisions is one that gives officers 10 days before they have to talk to investigators.

"There should be no reason why they should have 10 days to get their story together," said Tré Murphy, coordinator for the Baltimore United for Change Coalition, who attended one of the meetings. "They are not being held accountable, and frankly, we need to do something about it."
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/complaints-in-baltimore-about-law-offering-protections-for-officers.html?ref=todayspaper)

[revelarts]

Journalist Timothy Williams wrote for The New York Times 30 April 2015:
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As Justice Department officials began meeting with community leaders in Baltimore this week in the early stages of their civil rights inquiry into the death of Freddie Gray, they heard repeated complaints about a state law that gives special legal protections to police officers suspected of abusing their power.

The law is similar to at least a dozen across the country, commonly known as police officers' bills of rights. But Maryland's, enacted in the early 1970s, was the first and goes the furthest in offering layers of legal protection to police officers. Among its provisions is one that gives officers 10 days before they have to talk to investigators.

"There should be no reason why they should have 10 days to get their story together," said Tré Murphy, coordinator for the Baltimore United for Change Coalition, who attended one of the meetings. "They are not being held accountable, and frankly, we need to do something about it."
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/complaints-in-baltimore-about-law-offering-protections-for-officers.html?ref=todayspaper)

You know i'm of 2 minds on this.

Seems to me if it's part of the job to fill out a report after every incident then that should be done as per usual. But if no more's required of the job then that's all they are compelled to do. If they are accused of a crime they have the same rights as anyone else and can REMAIN SILENT for the rest of their lives if they choose to.

Even though it may make them look bad or they may in fact be guilty they shouldn't have to incriminate themselves. the 5th amendment covers them as well. I think it'd be dishonorable to the profession they chose to be less than forth coming (especially since they trick and cajole guilt out of others on a daily basis). But they have the same rights as anyone else accused of a crime. However I think if they've pled the 5th once and are cleared of wrong doing then a 2nd accusation/offense of the same nature is brought against them, well, then they forfeit the job if the claim the 5th again. They can still use right, but they can't keep the job too. the job is NOT a right.

[aboutime]

You know i'm of 2 minds on this.

Seems to me if it's part of the job to fill out a report after every incident then that should be done as per usual. But if no more's required of the job then that's all they are compelled to do. If they are accused of a crime they have the same rights as anyone else and can REMAIN SILENT for the rest of their lives if they choose to.

Even though it may make them look bad or they may in fact be guilty they shouldn't have to incriminate themselves. the 5th amendment covers them as well. I think it'd be dishonorable to the profession they chose to be less than forth coming (especially since they trick and cajole guilt out of others on a daily basis). But they have the same rights as anyone else accused of a crime. However I think if they've pled the 5th once and are cleared of wrong doing then a 2nd accusation/offense of the same nature is brought against them, well, then they forfeit the job if the claim the 5th again. They can still use right, but they can't keep the job too. the job is NOT a right.



Rev. Do you feel the same should also apply to the IRS Lady...Lerner? Same 5th amendment for her. Right?

[jimnyc]

And while this guy didn't end up getting shot - this is sometimes the type of people that the police have to deal with, day in and day out. Sometimes the tasers don't work as they should. Sometimes these idiots are on drugs. Sometimes they have weapons in addition to being in this condition. While there are always videos being posted when someone doesn't like what they see, the continued and endless of legitimate busts are not. So often the public doesn't see what the police are dealing with. The scumbags that occasionally pop up within the police are like the tip of a piece of sand compared to the amount of criminals that we don't see on camera.

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[Gunny]

Lord help us. Indago and rev in the same thread. I feel my IQ dropping with each post kinda' like I did with each word that came out of Mosby's mouth yesterday.

[revelarts]

Rev. Do you feel the same should also apply to the IRS Lady...Lerner? Same 5th amendment for her. Right?

the right applies to everyone AT, Charles Manson, Dick Chenney, looters, bikers, white, black, red, yellow, rich, poor, christian, muslim, jew, democrat, republican, libertarian, communist, fascist etc...

Do you have a problem with that AT?

[Gunny]

the right applies to everyone AT, Charles Manson, Dick Chenney, looters, bikers, white, black, red, yellow, rich, poor, christian, muslim, jew, democrat, republican, libertarian, communist, fascist etc...

Do you have a problem with that AT?

You trying to be the kettle? Or the pot?

[revelarts]

You trying to be the kettle? Or the pot?
so umm... who exactly have i said shouldn't have their 5th amendment rights Gunny?
Have I ever said anyone should not have their constitutional rights?

Or are you just making something up to say here... which really makes no sense in context?

[Gunny]

so umm... who exactly have i said shouldn't have their 5th amendment rights Gunny?
Have I ever said anyone should not have their constitutional rights?

Or are you just making something up to say here... which really makes no sense in context?

You're too hung up on bullshit, and yourself, and NO reality.

You can sit around dancing on your hickory stump all you want to, "Devil Went Down to Georgia", and don't let your naivete get in the way. From Day One your precious Constitution was written you had just as many rights as you could afford. That would make your stand on something that never happened and never was, exactly that.

[Gunny]

People like you that think you're so damned smart but can't see the forest for the trees get on my nerves.

The American Revolution was a war waged by the rich against the King, by the poor, so because the rich didn't want to pay taxes. The wealthy on the right AND the left don't want to pay them, and they keep the American people distracted an divided with bullshit like racism, gay marriage, immigration and anything else they can just song long as they keep our eyes off the prize -- the money they rake in while everyone's distracted.

Unlike you and your inability to see past a wall of words, I used to get paid as an analyst. I can analyze air. The above is an actual analysis using fact, logic and common sense. Not some fetish with the Constitution.

EVERY war we have fought has been about power, money and control. Not all these idealistic smokescreens.

[revelarts]

You're too hung up on bullshit, and yourself, and NO reality.

You can sit around dancing on your hickory stump all you want to, "Devil Went Down to Georgia", and don't let your naivete get in the way. From Day One your precious Constitution was written you had just as many rights as you could afford. That would make your stand on something that never happened and never was, exactly that.

People like you that think you're so damned smart but can't see the forest for the trees get on my nerves.

The American Revolution was a war waged by the rich against the King, by the poor, so because the rich didn't want to pay taxes. The wealthy on the right AND the left don't want to pay them, and they keep the American people distracted an divided with bullshit like racism, gay marriage, immigration and anything else they can just song long as they keep our eyes off the prize -- the money they rake in while everyone's distracted.

Unlike you and your inability to see past a wall of words, I used to get paid as an analyst. I can analyze air. The above is an actual analysis using fact, logic and common sense. Not some fetish with the Constitution.

EVERY war we have fought has been about power, money and control. Not all these idealistic smokescreens.

really, wars not based on stated aims, elites keeping people divide over bs or lesser issues, the rich in control, divided party bs.
you sound like a what folks on this board call a "conspiracy theorist" Gunny, we might have more in common than you think.

[Gunny]

really,
you sound like a "conspiracy theorist" Gunny, we might have more in common than you think.

Wow. Typical ploy. I'm losing respect for you by the thread.

Here's the deal: You love to argue the Bill of Rights, but when it suits you, Amendments count. You sound like a pro-choice idiot swapping back and forth between abortion and post-partum abortion.

You don't get to cherry-pick on ME and not get called on it.

You discount experience for whatever you've read. Read what you want. I post on the board because I'm half-crippled from EXPERIENCE, not a paper cut from reading a book. You post on the board because you're trying to be right; yet haven't been through jack shit that I have. I ain't looking for anyone's sympathy. But you might want to consider those of us that have been there might know just a little bit more than your 6th grade primer tells you.

[revelarts]

Wow. Typical ploy. I'm losing respect for you by the thread.

Here's the deal: You love to argue the Bill of Rights, but when it suits you, Amendments count. You sound like a pro-choice idiot swapping back and forth between abortion and post-partum abortion.

You don't get to cherry-pick on ME and not get called on it.


Gunny i asked you before and you DID NOT answer.

WHERE have I said ANYONE"s rights in the constitution should not be exercised or protected?
Quote me ONE place And I'll agree that you've got me there and I'll have to re-think my position.

but until then don't toss out BS accusations that you can't back up because you don't have the time or inclination to look it up what you've strangely imagined my position is.

[Gunny]

Gunny i asked you before and you DID NOT answer.

WHERE have I said ANYONE"s rights in the constitution should not be exercised or protected?
Quote me ONE place And I'll agree that you've got me there and I'll have to re-think my position.

but until then don't toss out BS accusations that you can't back up because you don't have the time or inclination to look it up what you've imagined is my position.

Oh, let's see ... you mean where you were arguing Bill of Rights and I responded then we can still own slaves and all of a sudden you were all about Amendements? I didn't imagine that. It's on this board in the whatever the last thread you refused to admit everyone was kicking your ass in.

[Gunny]

How about a couple of pages in that thread with you trying to tell me who I am and what I know and where I've been and demanding some piece of paper to prove it when it's obvious I've "been there done that " and you ain't got out of the living room.

[revelarts]

Oh, let's see ... you mean where you were arguing Bill of Rights and I responded then we can still own slaves and all of a sudden you were all about Amendements? I didn't imagine that. It's on this board in the whatever the last thread you refused to admit everyone was kicking your ass in.

Really, your going with that? that's my diviation from the constitution?

[revelarts]

How about a couple of pages in that thread with you trying to tell me who I am and what I know and where I've been and demanding some piece of paper to prove it when it's obvious I've "been there done that " and you ain't got out of the living room.
I never asked you to prove what you've done. i ask you to provide the info you said you'd learned there. I'm still waiting to see some docs for that.
I have no questions about your service.

[Gunny]

I never asked you to prove what you've done. i ask you to provide the info you said you'd learned there. I'm still waiting to see some docs for that.
I have no questions about your service.

Play semantics with someone else. Like someone it might work on. Your first two sentences say the same thing. One denies the other.

[indago]

Screw it. Let's all just do whatever we want, whenever we want. Ignore the laws. Pretend everything we want to do has no consequences. There's no need to follow, or obey any laws we don't like.

In fact. Let's all just agree to do a Holder, and forget we even have a lousy Constitution.

Tell us how that works out for all of you who hate cops.

Was that a snivel?

[indago]

Lord help us. Indago and rev in the same thread.

Another snivel...

[Gunny]

Another snivel...

I got your snivel ... you can be the black crack dealer and I'll be the white cop.

YOU are the one whining all over the place. This thread is the evidence. Otherwise, I've kicked more black ass than you've ever seen, fuckwit.

[indago]

I got your snivel ... you can be the black crack dealer and I'll be the white cop.

YOU are the one whining all over the place. This thread is the evidence. Otherwise, I've kicked more black ass than you've ever seen, fuckwit.

Damn, another snivel! You're just full of them, aren't you...

[Gunny]

Damn, another snivel! You're just full of them, aren't you...

Ho hum. Try a different tact. Like a legit argument. Oh yeah, your pussy ass is incapable. The entire premise of your thread is a whine. Try not to ascribe your attributes to others.

[indago]

I got your snivel


You ain't got shit!

[indago]

From komonews 2 May 2015:


The two drug-sniffing canines that work for Medford police could face early retirement because they are too good at detecting marijuana, which will become legal July 1. "It's kind of sad," Deputy Chief Brett Johnson said. "Nobody wants to see a dog lose its job."


article (http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Medford-police-may-have-to-retire-their-pot-sniffing-dogs-302312161.html)

[Gunny]

You ain't got shit!

THAT is sad cuz I got more than you. Doesn't put you anywhere, does it?

[aboutime]

Was that a snivel?


First time I recall hearing anyone refer to the TRUTH as snivel. Bet that's one of YOUR code words. Ya know? Like the THUG thingy? No matter what words anyone says. You can bet somebody like you is full of hate, and stupid racist idea's too!

[indago]

Journalist Ralph Blumenthal wrote for The New York Times 24 April 2015:
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Officer Cairnes, a relative rookie of two years, arrested the longshoreman on South Street. ...Robert Hollis, 28, an Irish-born father of four, had slugged Officer Cairnes and run. The officer, 40, also Irish-born and a father of six, gave chase, pulling his pistol and firing into the crowd until, catching up to his fugitive, he fired a fatal shot into the man's back...


...a coroner's jury... ruled the shooting "not justifiable" and ordered Officer Cairnes held for a grand jury. ...the same day a grand jury declined to indict him.
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/25/nyregion/an-officers-killing-of-an-unarmed-man-convulsed-new-york-in-1858.html?ref=todayspaper)

[Gunny]

Journalist Ralph Blumenthal wrote for The New York Times 24 April 2015:
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Officer Cairnes, a relative rookie of two years, arrested the longshoreman on South Street. ...Robert Hollis, 28, an Irish-born father of four, had slugged Officer Cairnes and run. The officer, 40, also Irish-born and a father of six, gave chase, pulling his pistol and firing into the crowd until, catching up to his fugitive, he fired a fatal shot into the man's back...


...a coroner's jury... ruled the shooting "not justifiable" and ordered Officer Cairnes held for a grand jury. ...the same day a grand jury declined to indict him.
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/25/nyregion/an-officers-killing-of-an-unarmed-man-convulsed-new-york-in-1858.html?ref=todayspaper)


The father of slain New York City Police Officer Brian Moore saluted his son Monday as his body was carried from the hospital where he died.


Retired NYPD Sgt. Raymond Moore was among the hundreds of officers standing at attention outside Jamaica Hospital after Moore’s valiant two-day struggle to survive being shot in the face by a violent ex-con ended in tragedy.

Moore was just 25, and his death plunged the NYPD into mourning.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-officer-shot-face-ex-con-queens-dies-article-1.2209578

Stuff this up your a-

[aboutime]

Can there be any question that 'indago' honestly hates cops?

Note how almost every day...that member cuts & pastes everything, but has no mental capacity to
actually use his own words? HATRED DOES THAT!

By the way. Just for info purposes. Like the cutting/pasting. INDAGO is the name of a DRONE.

How ironic is that?

[indago]

Journalist Noam Scheiber wrote for The New York Times 5 May 2015:
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During the urban crime epidemic of the 1970s and ’80s and the sharp decline in crime that began in the 1990s, the unions representing police officers in many cities enjoyed a nearly unassailable political position. Their opposition could cripple political candidates and kill police-reform proposals in gestation.

But amid a rash of high-profile encounters involving allegations of police overreach in New York, Baltimore, Cleveland, Ferguson, Mo., and North Charleston, S.C., the political context in which the police unions have enjoyed a privileged position is rapidly changing. And the unions are struggling to adapt.

“There was a time in this country when elected officials — legislators, chief executives — were willing to contextualize what police do,” said Eugene O’Donnell, a former New York City police officer and prosecutor who now teaches at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. “And that time is mostly gone.”
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/06/us/police-struggle-with-loss-of-privileged-position.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0)

[Gunny]

Can there be any question that 'indago' honestly hates cops?

Note how almost every day...that member cuts & pastes everything, but has no mental capacity to
actually use his own words? HATRED DOES THAT!

By the way. Just for info purposes. Like the cutting/pasting. INDAGO is the name of a DRONE.

How ironic is that?

Nope. First one to whine, and will be the first to cry when his pampered don't get powdered by those that protect him.

[indago]

"He yelled at me. He said his dad is having a heart attack. I could see the driver was desperately in need of medical attention. And then he just went limp."


article/video (http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/10466-state-trooper-performs-life-saving-cpr-on-father-in-middle-of-interstate-while-horrified-son)

[revelarts]

2014

Albuquerque police shot a homeless man in the back and killed him, and it was all caught on gruesome detail in a police video.
It is just one more in a long line of police killings that has the city's Police Department on the verge of federal oversight. James Boyd, a mentally disturbed man who friends say was attempting to camp out in the foothills above Albuquerque one night in March because city homeless shelters had closed, was holding two small camping knives. Officers negotiated with him for five hours, eventually winning agreement from Boyd to leave the makeshift -- and illegal -- campsite. Then a police stun grenade went off, Boyd, 38, turned his back and three shots were fired. Police video shows Boyd on his stomach on the ground, wheezing for breath as officers sic a dog on his legs and fire bean bag rounds at him. He was already mortally wounded. An autopsy on Boyd found he was shot in the back. The medical examiner ruled the death a homicide. The horrific encounter, routinely recorded as part of police protocol, is now a key part of an ongoing drama in New Mexico's largest city -- a series of protests against the police and city officials. Federal officials are close to a deal that would have them supervising the Albuquerque Police Department....
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/140619140622-james-boyd-story-body.jpg
A family photo of James Boyd, killed by Albuquerque police.

....

The officers had come to the home of Christopher Torres on an arrest warrant issued the month before. They said he was armed and shot him in the back as they wrestled on the ground.
Torres' parents, Stephen and Renatta Torres, say he was holding a broomstick, which he laid down when police approached. They sued police, and a judge awarded them $6 million in a civil judgment, saying the police testimony was "not credible." (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/06/19/torres.ruling.pdf)
The Albuquerque district attorney, Kari Brandenburg, cleared the two officers in the Torres killing. She has cleared every other police officer involved in a killing during her last 13 years in office...


http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/20/us/albuquerque-police-investigation/index.html


In Torres Case even though the family won a civil case the police that killed the man are still on the job. Apparently the only discipline was a few days paid leave.

The boyd case however justice seem on the way


Jan-2015
...<cite class="el-editorial-source">Albuquerque, New Mexico (CNN)</cite>Two Albuquerque, New Mexico, police officers will face first-degree murder charges in last year's shooting of a homeless man (http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/20/us/albuquerque-police-investigation/index.html) in the hills above the city, a prosecutor announced Monday.Keith Sandy and Dominique Perez were ordered to appear at a preliminary hearing, the date of which has not yet been set, said District Attorney Kari Brandenburg of New Mexico's Second Judicial Circuit.
Sandy and Perez are accused of killing James Boyd in March. The 38-year-old homeless man spent the night before his shooting in a shelter, but when the shelter closed for the winter, Boyd tried to camp in the hills above the city, officials said.
Overnight camping in the hills is illegal....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/12/us/albuquerque-police-murder-charges/

[Gunny]

2014


In Torres Case even though the family won a civil case the police that killed the man are still on the job. Apparently the only discipline was a few days paid leave.

The boyd case however justice seem on the way


You couldn't PAY me to be a cop in this town. ABQ is where all the 1960's, bleeding heart leftwinger hippy rejects moved to. Quite a shock this left wing Hell hole is next door to Texas.

No thanks. You can have the job and the box of Kleenex you have to carry around for anyone you arrest.

[revelarts]

Brooke Baldwin speaks with rapper Michael "Killer Mike" Render & Officer Tommy Norman of the North Little Rock Police about the role of cops in communities.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150506151632-mike-norman-split-small-169.jpg


North Little Rock police officer goes national (http://www.thv11.com/story/life/2015/05/06/north-little-rock-police-officer-goes-national/70928246/)

Quote:

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NORTH LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (KTHV) – A North Little Rock police officer is getting international exposure thanks to his unconventional approach to law enforcement.

Officer Tommy Norman, known for connecting with inner city youth through social media pictures and videos, was interviewed on CNN Wednesday. CNN learned about Officer Norman's story from Atlanta based rapper Killer Mike who found Norman's Instagram account and began watching the videos.

"It's still surreal in a way that North Little Rock was on CNN," Norman told THV11 Wednesday. "If you're going to go visit a neighborhood, visit a group of kids, you've got to do it day in and day out."

Norman's social media accounts show hundreds of pictures and videos of him visiting with children in the North Little Rock community. "He's always out in the community and I love that about him," said Barbara Johnson. "I met officer Norman 14 years ago off of 16th and Sycamore. I was having problems out of one of my children, and he came in and kind of talked to them and guided them and ever since then he's kind of been in my life."

Now Norman plays a similar role with Johnson's grandchildren, an example of the consistency he says is key in building trust with the community. "I think sometimes they do a double take," Norman added. "They're not really sure if this police officer is being genuine. Why is he being so nice? But as I said on CNN, can a police officer have love? Can a police officer have compassion? And can a police officer care? The answer is yes."

</tbody>

Rapper: Why this cop is doing it right - CNN Video (http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/05/06/rapper-why-this-cop-is-doing-it-right.cnn?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion&iref=obnetwork)
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[Gunny]

How about asshole high on crack kills neighbors and posts on internet bulletin board? How about the NYC cop that was murdered? Two days and he's no longer in the news. But Lord don't let one shoot a nigger in ther performance of his job.

And I can't stand cops, but you whiners about people doing their job are too much.

[indago]

"He yelled at me. He said his dad is having a heart attack. I could see the driver was desperately in need of medical attention. And then he just went limp."

article/video (http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/10466-state-trooper-performs-life-saving-cpr-on-father-in-middle-of-interstate-while-horrified-son)

Hmmm! Not a peep about this from the HATE COPS ilk.

[indago]

Journalists Mitch Smith and Monica Davey wrote for The New York Times 6 May 2015:
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For decades, they had waited for an apology. This group of black men, some now graying and bent by age, had complained of violent abuse at the hands of the police in the 1970s and ’80s on this city’s South Side. They said they had been suffocated with plastic bags, beaten with phone books, shocked with cattle prods — torture tactics meant to extract confessions to crimes. On Wednesday, after years of investigation, public debate and litigation, the City of Chicago expressed remorse. City Council members voted without dissent to pay $5.5 million in reparations to victims of torture and abuse by a group of officers known as the “Midnight Crew” and overseen by a notorious police commander, Jon Burge.
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/07/us/chicago-to-pay-5-million-to-victims-of-police-abuse.html?ref=todayspaper)

And that settlement should come right out of the police budget as a reminder of what happens when the police abuse the citizens.

[Gunny]

Hmmm! Not a peep about this from the HATE COPS ilk.

You're a jackass. Feel better now?

Do you REALLY think anyone reads the drivel you ct n paste? How about you get a real argument of your own instead of stealing other peoples' words?

[aboutime]

Obviously, there is nothing anyone here has to say to the member who identifies as INDAGO.

Whenever any of us happen to discuss RACISM, RACE, or RACISTS.

Seems to me. INDAGO is the complete representative of the source of those words.

HATRED like indago's only serves to destroy the hater. SEND FLOWERS, (DEAD FLOWERS) to indago's funeral.

[indago]

Do you REALLY think anyone reads the drivel you ct n paste?

Ooooo! The ilk hath spoken...

[indago]

Obviously, there is nothing anyone here has to say to the member who identifies as INDAGO.

And another ilk chimes in...

[aboutime]

And another ilk chimes in...


Thank you for proving how...even when we pretend to be just like you. Nobody comes close to the 'ilk' you proclaim for yourself. Hatred and stupid go hand in hand. And you're not even worth a Fist Bump.

[indago]

You're a jackass.

Oh oh, HATE SPEECH...

[indago]

Thank you for proving how...even when we pretend to be just like you. Nobody comes close to the 'ilk' you proclaim for yourself. Hatred and stupid go hand in hand. And you're not even worth a Fist Bump.

Oooo! More HATE SPEECH...

[aboutime]

Oooo! More HATE SPEECH...


Thank you one more time. I appreciate you repeating, and proving how your definition of TRUTH is hate speech.

Guess I should start drawing CARTOONS called "indago"!

[indago]

Guess I should start drawing CARTOONS called "indago"!

That would be entertaining...

[aboutime]

That would be entertaining...


Sure it would. Bout the same as watching Garbage Rot!

[indago]

Sure it would. Bout the same as watching Garbage Rot!

Well, you can watch the "Garbage Rot". I don't have time for that.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 10 May 2015:
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The records, obtained by The Baltimore Sun (http://tinyurl.com/pdbu29k ) through a Maryland Public Information Act request, show that correctional officers at the Baltimore City Detention Center refused to admit nearly 2,600 detainees who were in police custody between June 2012 and April 2015.

The records do not indicate how the people were injured or whether they suffered their injuries while in custody. However, they do suggest that police officers either ignored or did not notice the injuries. Suspects are constitutionally guaranteed health care before they are booked into jail.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BALTIMORE_POLICE_INJURIES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-10-20-23-02)

It would be interesting for a follow-up on this, interviewing some of those who had the recorded injuries, and to hear their story on how they obtained those injuries.

[Jeff]

From The Associated Press 10 May 2015:
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The records, obtained by The Baltimore Sun (http://tinyurl.com/pdbu29k ) through a Maryland Public Information Act request, show that correctional officers at the Baltimore City Detention Center refused to admit nearly 2,600 detainees who were in police custody between June 2012 and April 2015.

The records do not indicate how the people were injured or whether they suffered their injuries while in custody. However, they do suggest that police officers either ignored or did not notice the injuries. Suspects are constitutionally guaranteed health care before they are booked into jail.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BALTIMORE_POLICE_INJURIES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-10-20-23-02)

It would be interesting for a follow-up on this, interviewing some of those who had the recorded injuries, and to hear their story on how they obtained those injuries.

What would be interesting is to see how many folks that never broke the law where hurt, again in order to have dealings with the cops ( good or bad ) you have to of done something wrong.

[Gunny]

What would be interesting is to see how many folks that never broke the law where hurt, again in order to have dealings with the cops ( good or bad ) you have to of done something wrong.

Yes and no. I get what you're saying but it's not entirely accurate. You can just be in wrong place at the wrong time. THAT is what I don't like about cops. I just try to see both sides.

I can tell you what/who is worse ... US Marine Corps Drill Instructors and I was completely intolerant of their abusing their authority. Recruits are helpless. You want to be hard on a recruit to teach him a lesson, fine. You want to abuse one just because you're a sadistic a-hole? Not on MY watch. You'll be answering to the man, and trying to dig my foot out of your butt at the same time.

Point is, cops DO, in general, abuse their authority. I'm just not sure what the right answer is because they DO have to do their job.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 14 May 2015:
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The city of Charlotte has reached a $2.25 million settlement in a lawsuit brought by the family of a black man shot to death by a white police officer in 2013. ...Ferrell was a black man who was shot and killed in September 2013 after he wrecked his car and knocked on the door of a house to get help. The person in the house called police. Investigators say Kerrick, who is white, was the only one of three officers who responded to use his gun. Investigators say Kerrick fired 12 shots, 10 of which hit the unarmed Ferrell.

Defense attorneys for Kerrick issued a statement criticizing the settlement as being hasty. "This rush to judgment also caused our elected City Officials, behind closed doors, to decide to spend precious (taxpayer) dollars on a civil settlement despite not having seen any of the evidence in this case and despite Officer Kerrick not having been found at all liable in the civil suit," the statement said.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHARLOTTE_POLICE_SHOOTING_DEATH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-14-17-57-15)

[aboutime]

From The Associated Press 14 May 2015:
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The city of Charlotte has reached a $2.25 million settlement in a lawsuit brought by the family of a black man shot to death by a white police officer in 2013. ...Ferrell was a black man who was shot and killed in September 2013 after he wrecked his car and knocked on the door of a house to get help. The person in the house called police. Investigators say Kerrick, who is white, was the only one of three officers who responded to use his gun. Investigators say Kerrick fired 12 shots, 10 of which hit the unarmed Ferrell.

Defense attorneys for Kerrick issued a statement criticizing the settlement as being hasty. "This rush to judgment also caused our elected City Officials, behind closed doors, to decide to spend precious (taxpayer) dollars on a civil settlement despite not having seen any of the evidence in this case and despite Officer Kerrick not having been found at all liable in the civil suit," the statement said.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHARLOTTE_POLICE_SHOOTING_DEATH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-14-17-57-15)



indago. Racism is your name, and Racism is your game. Anyway to get Reparations (no matter what you call it)

[indago]

Journalist Juliet Linderman wrote for The Associated Press 15 May 2015:
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A Baltimore police officer caught on tape beating a man outside of a liquor store before placing him under arrest has pleaded guilty to second-degree assault and been sentenced to six months in jail.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_LAWSUIT_BATTERY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-15-18-27-00)

[indago]

indago. Racism is your name, and Racism is your game.

Yes, that is the cry of the LoInfos...

[aboutime]

Yes, that is the cry of the LoInfos...


So, you'd prefer we all refer to you as LoInfos? Not a problem. Very fitting since nothing you have ever posted here was original...from you.

[indago]

So, you'd prefer we all refer to you as LoInfos? Not a problem. Very fitting since nothing you have ever posted here was original...from you.

Damn! Another snivel!

This thread isn't about me. It's about protect & serve. And, anyone reading this thread can see that you are wrong.

But here's a thread for you...

THREAD (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?49744-The-aboutime-and-Gunny-Snivel-Thread&p=735589#post735589)

[aboutime]

Damn! Another snivel!

This thread isn't about me. It's about protect & serve. And, anyone reading this thread can see that you are wrong.

But here's a thread for you...

THREAD (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?49744-The-aboutime-and-Gunny-Snivel-Thread&p=735589#post735589)


Still, your response, and anger show no attempt to be original. Thanks loinfos.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 18 May 2015:
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In a surprise announcement coming nine months after police in riot gear dispelled racially charged protests, President Barack Obama is banning the federal government from providing some military-style equipment to local departments and putting stricter controls on other weapons and gear distributed to law enforcement. ...an interagency group found "substantial risk of misusing or overusing" items like tracked armored vehicles, high-powered firearms and camouflage could undermine trust in police.

...the White House said that effective immediately, the federal government will no longer fund or provide armored vehicles that run on a tracked system instead of wheels, weaponized aircraft or vehicles, firearms or ammunition of .50-caliber or higher, grenade launchers, bayonets or camouflage uniforms. The federal government also is exploring ways to recall prohibited equipment already distributed.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-18-06-29-55)

It's about time! Governments have become an armed camp, ready to strike at the populace at a moments notice.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 17 May 2015:
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Sheila Beasley was struggling to clean up after her beloved Rottweiler, Rocky, on a Bronx sidewalk on a December day in 2008 when she briefly put his leash down - a move spotted by a nearby plainclothes police officer who promptly wrote her a summons for having an unleashed dog. Beasley, a 50-year-old mother of two, said she forgot about the ticket and missed a court date to resolve it. That decision triggered a warrant for her arrest, and nearly three years later, police showed up at her door and hauled her off to jail, where she stayed for four days. ..."I would never even make up in my wildest dreams and think I would have to go through a system like that for something so insignificant as doggy poop."

New York's court system has about 1.2 million open warrants like Beasley's, affecting people who run the risk of arrest for failing to resolve sometimes decades-old infractions for low-level offenses...

...A reasonable fix for Beasley would have been something other than detention. Her case was ultimately dismissed after a 10-second court appearance following 96 hours in a Bronx court holding cell, and she has since filed a false arrest lawsuit against the city. "They came banging on my door like they were after some hardened criminal," Beasley said. "They should have a better system."
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NYC_WARRANT_AMNESTY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-17-11-38-35)

[revelarts]

the 14 year old kids crime? a "dehumanizing stare" and "threatening body language" as he tried to walk peacefully away from the police encounter. Police dept says His body language (while holding a weeks old Puupy) was "threatening" so he HAD TO be taken down... after they knocked the puppy out of the kid's hands... of course.



Tremaine McMillian, 14-Year-Old With Puppy, Choked By Miami-Dade Police Over 'Dehumanizing Stares'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8bYyTjYGfcA


DORAL(CBS4) – Dramatic new cell phone video showed a Miami-Dade Police Officer restraining a teenager on Haulover Beach on Memorial Day; and that 14-year-old youngster and his mother say police overreacted when they arrested him.But Police said they had to restrain the teenager because he gave them “dehumanizing stares,” clenched his fists and appeared threatening when he walked away and refused to obey their repeated orders.
Maurissa Holmes used her cell phone to capture the incident that happened late Monday morning at the beach near 108th Street and Collins Avenue.The video shows a Miami-Dade Police Officer with his arm around the neck of 14-year-old Tremaine McMillian.
“I feel that should never have happened,” said McMillian. “I don’t like it. I feel sad. He got in front of me on the ATC and he slammed my hand. Then he started choking me. Then my 6-week old Pit Bull mix named Polo got hurt and bruised his front paw when the police grabbed me and slammed me down. It makes me feel sad.”
“And my puppy got hurt for no reason at all,” he said. “I wasn’t doing anything, just walking away.”
“I ran over with my son and used my cell phone when I saw my son and he couldn’t breathe,” Holmes told CBS4’s Peter D’Oench. “There was no reason to slam him on the ground like that the way they did. He’s a child, not an adult. For them to jump off their ATV and do this, this is wrong. I want justice. You don’t do that to a child.”
McMillian’s sister, Kearra McMillian, said, “My brother did nothing wrong. He didn’t say anything to the officer. He just kept walking. I guess they just got mad because he wouldn’t stop.”
Miami-Dade Police Detective Alvaro Zabaleta told D’Oench it was just after 11:00 am on Memorial Day on Haulover Beach when officers saw McMillian slamming another teenager on to the sand.
“They told him that behavior was unacceptable,” said Zabaleta. “He walked away and officers followed him. They asked where his parents were. He said he was not going to take them to them. When he started to leave the beach area, officers had to get off their ATVs to detain him. He had closed arms, clenched fists and pulled his arm away.”
“Once he was approaching the road, the officers restrained him. Again his body language was that he was stiffening up and pulling away,” said Zabaleta. “Now you’re resisting officers at that point and when the hands are swinging and you are resisting officers, at that point you have to be taken into custody.”
“Of course we have to neutralize the threat,” said Zabaleta. “When you have somebody resistant to them and pulling away and somebody clenching their fists and flailing their arms, that’s a threat.”
He said the police report did not indicate that a puppy was involved.
“At that point we are not concerned with a puppy,” said Zabaleta. “We are concerned with the threat to the officer.”
“How could I be clenching my fists when I was taking care of my puppy and giving him some milk with a bottle?” asked McMillian.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/30/tremaine-mcmillian-14-year-old-miami-dade-police_n_3362340.html
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/05/28/teen-says-police-overreacted-to-incident/


The the kid didn't have beer, he didn't try to hit cops. he was playing on the beach with a friend wrestling, the cops pull up on an ATVs tell them to stop thinking it's a real fight. the kids let then know it's not a real fight. Picks up the puppy but the cops now have their manhood threatened and we should all know by now that sadly that is a criminal offense to many leos.

[revelarts]

Teen leaves school with ball team gets off subway with team mates, all in uniform.
Police stop and frisk. female LEO does a 2nd pat down on kid and grabs the boys testicles squeezes and pulls with ruptures them.
After sitting in jail for hours he goes to hospital for surgery. Now he may never have children.

Police give no reason for stop, no arrest were made.
Boy is strait A student. Principal says he's never had 1 discipline a problem in the years his been in school.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0EIj8MW86o

[revelarts]

19 year old kid saved up from a job $350 for an expensive belt.
Goes into expensive store PAYS for it. The cashier calls the cops. They then integrate him and make him PROVE he was the owner of the account he paid with.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVlDgvqzTgA

[revelarts]

Police Allegedly Beat Pearl Pearson For Disobeying Orders He Could Not Hear.
the man was deaf



Two Oklahoma Highway Patrol troopers have been pulled off the streets following allegations of excessive force against a deaf man in Oklahoma City.
According to a website set up for Pearl Pearson (http://www.pearlpearson.com/), the 64-year-old man is recovering from his injuries nearly two weeks after a violent confrontation with two Highway Patrol officers during a traffic stop.

"Pearl pulled over and rolled down his window, expecting an officer to ask for [his] identification," the website states. "An officer struck him in the face before Pearl had the chance to do anything. As you can see, he was struck multiple times."
The website alleges Pearson, who is deaf and diabetic, has a placard on his driver's side door that says, "Driver is deaf." His license also allegedly indicates he is deaf.
"An interpreter was never provided while Pearl was under the care of law enforcement," the website states. "Not during the booking, hospital, or time at the jail was an interpreter provided, even though Pearl requested one."
Oklahoma Highway Patrol (http://www.ohptroopers.com/) spokesman George Brown told HuffPost that troopers Eric Foster and Kelton Hayes have been placed on suspension with pay.
"An internal investigation is being conducted," Brown said. "If it is determined there were any violations of department policy, the appropriate action will be taken."
The troopers stopped Pearson because he allegedly fled the scene of a car accident in south Oklahoma City. When they stopped him, he "resisted Trooper Foster and Trooper Hayes ... [and] refused to comply with repeated lawful orders to display his hands," according to a police affidavit.
"A physical altercation ensued for approximately seven minutes," the affidavit states.
The document does not indicate whether the troopers were aware Pearson is hearing impaired.
Pearson was taken into custody at the scene and ultimately charged for resisting arrest and leaving the scene of an accident.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/15/pearl-pearson-police-brutality_n_4603445.html

[revelarts]

Public Defender is arrested for telling police not to speak to or take pictures of her client.


Published 2015The San Francisco Public Defender's Office released cellphone videos Wednesday of a deputy public defender who was placed in handcuffs outside of a courtroom on Tuesday afternoon after she attempted to represent her client while a plainclothes police officer tried to question and photograph him.
Deputy Public Defender Jami Tillotson, who has worked as an attorney with the San Francisco Public Defender's Office for 18 years, was detained and handcuffed around 2 p.m. Tuesday inside the San Francisco Hall of Justice.He said Tillotson refused to let her client be questioned without the presence of his attorney and she was subsequently detained. She is now facing charges of misdemeanor resisting arrest, a charge Adachi said has a maximum penalty of one year in prison.Adachi said he hopes the case against her is thrown out immediately.
Tillotson said she was in Department 17 on Tuesday afternoon representing her clients facing misdemeanor charges, as she routinely does, when she was informed that police in the hallway outside of the courtroom were attempting to detain and question one of her clients and another person.
She exited the courtroom and saw her client, a black male, accompanied by another black male. Both were being questioned by police officers.
The videos show San Francisco police Inspector Brian Stansbury who tells the two males being detained that he needs to take their photographs. Stansbury is among the officers facing a lawsuit filed by a black San Francisco police officer in federal court that claims he was racially profiled during a traffic stop and then allegedly choked and tackled to the ground by officers in May 2013.
In the video, Tillotson repeatedly tells Stansbury and other officers, "I am representing my client here" as she intervenes in the interaction between police and the young men.
Stansbury warns Tillotson that if she doesn't step aside she will be arrested, to which she replies "Please do." Stansbury then handcuffs Tillotson, placing her under arrest, and she is then led away from her client.
The two videos showing Tillotson's detainment were shot by other attorneys, according to the public defender's office.
Tillotson said she was taken to the Southern Police Station and handcuffed to a wall in a holding room for about an hour before she was let go.
Adachi said he felt Tillotson's constitutional rights were not respected by the San Francisco Police Department.
"This is not Guantanamo Bay, you have an absolute right to have a lawyer with you when you are questioned," Adachi said.
He said he "can only imagine what might be happening out there on the streets," if police are acting "outside the law" inside the courthouse.
Adachi said the client that Tillotson was trying to represent was in court that day for a misdemeanor petty theft-related charge.
Tillotson said Stansbury wanted to take photos of her client and that after she was taken away, her client was released without a citation or arrest..

lawyer? you don't need no stink'in lawyer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DthXFOZZJew

[Perianne]

Teen leaves school with ball team gets off subway with team mates, all in uniform.
Police stop and frisk. female LEO does a 2nd pat down on kid and grabs the boys testicles squeezes and pulls with ruptures them.
After sitting in jail for hours he goes to hospital for surgery. Now he may never have children.

Police give no reason for stop, no arrest were made.
Boy is strait A student. Principal says he's never had 1 discipline a problem in the years his been in school.



The family’s lawyer, Lewis Small, told the Daily News that Manning was taken to Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, where he underwent an ultrasound to determine the level of damage. Doctors initially said that they suspected his testicle was ruptured and that immediate surgery was necessary, Small said.



But after the surgery, the hospital’s medical report says that doctors determined that his testicle was not ruptured. Only a blood clot was found and it was subsequently removed.

<aside class="see-also">
</aside> The Daily News learned from a doctor who is familiar with the case that the clot appeared very small, and that "it may have been related to trauma, but it certainly would not cause sterility," the article says.




An investigating grand jury has found no evidence that a female police officer seriously injured a teenager's genitals during a stop-and-frisk search earlier this year, District Attorney Seth Williams said Thursday.


Darrin Manning, 16...has alleged that an officer grabbed his genitals and pulled, causing a testicle to rupture.




After reviewing "countless hours of evidence, surveillance video, and witness statements," Williams said at a news conference Thursday that the grand jury found that police "had acted responsibly and that no criminal act was committed by any members of the police."
The jurors also found that Manning had "exaggerated" details about the officer's actions, Williams said in a statement.







http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/02/report_contradicts_claim_that_cop_ruptured_teen_s_ testicle.html
http://articles.philly.com/2014-07-19/news/51714704_1_grand-jury-manning-police-officer

[aboutime]

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/02/report_contradicts_claim_that_cop_ruptured_teen_s_ testicle.html
http://articles.philly.com/2014-07-19/news/51714704_1_grand-jury-manning-police-officer


Perianne. A really good lawyer, who isn't afraid of telling the truth would know. Everyone who has ever seen a video of Micheal Jackson....shows how he constantly grabs his own testicles....AND EVERYONE LOVED IT.

SO. It sounds like this teenager comes from a struggling, Ghetto household where he had NO TOYS while growing up, and learned to PLAY with his only BOY TOYS. Which...probably caused the BLOOD CLOTS.

Anyone who disagrees? See for yourself in the video.

http://youtu.be/rjhaYaI1hl0

[Perianne]

Perianne. A really good lawyer, who isn't afraid of telling the truth would know. Everyone who has ever seen a video of Micheal Jackson....shows how he constantly grabs his own testicles....AND EVERYONE LOVED IT.

SO. It sounds like this teenager comes from a struggling, Ghetto household where he had NO TOYS while growing up, and learned to PLAY with his only BOY TOYS. Which...probably caused the BLOOD CLOTS.

Anyone who disagrees? See for yourself in the video.

http://youtu.be/rjhaYaI1hl0

I think it is vulgar the ways men hold their crotch like that. It is one thing to be adjusting stuff, but vulgar when just holding it for the heck of it.

[aboutime]

I think it is vulgar the ways men hold their crotch like that. It is one thing to be adjusting stuff, but vulgar when just holding it for the heck of it.


Agreed, 100%. But we have to face the lack of morality, and lower educational levels that have taken over.

Today, it seems they all have a feeling they need to fit in wit da hood boys, and act just like them in every way. Which explains why THEY DON'T QUALIFY for JOBS, or PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. They need that instant gratification of getting something for nothing...from somebody else...or they fail to fit in.

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZkZqRM4934

[revelarts]

fining people for fishing,
$200 --- 40 hours community service --- 1 year fresh water fishing license suspension--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PMEXTXqJmM

[revelarts]

Cop Breaks veterans Neck for touching him lightly on the shoulder over a towed vehicle.
Office "felt his life was threatened"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVZSuYWeum4

cops threatened by man in wheel chair have to take him down
"get on the ground"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CVzP4q5Kx0

[Gunny]

Ooooo! The ilk hath spoken...

Yeah, and the ilk used more of his own words in one post than you have the entire thread.

[Gunny]

Oh oh, HATE SPEECH...

I'm sorry. Did I mess up? You're a jackass AND a mealy-mouthed, pussy-ass faggot.

[Gunny]

Well, you can watch the "Garbage Rot". I don't have time for that.

Based on your posts ... yeah, you do. You sure as Hell ain't doing anything else more constructive.

[Gunny]

Damn! Another snivel!

This thread isn't about me. It's about protect & serve. And, anyone reading this thread can see that you are wrong.

But here's a thread for you...

THREAD (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?49744-The-aboutime-and-Gunny-Snivel-Thread&p=735589#post735589)

This whole thread is a snivel. Do you get discounts from Kleenex buying at the bulk rate, or what?

[Gunny]

Still, your response, and anger show no attempt to be original. Thanks loinfos.

How original is cut n paste? My 6 years old granddaughter can do it.:laugh:

[indago]

How original is cut n paste? My 6 years old granddaughter can do it.:laugh:

Really grates on you doesn't it...!

http://i38.tinypic.com/232ohc.jpg

[indago]

From The Associated Press 27 May 2015:
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A former Chicago police detective is suing to get his job back after being fired for posing in a photograph with another officer holding rifles over an unidentified black man lying on a floor and wearing deer antlers. ...The Chicago Police Board fired McDermott in October after finding him guilty of bringing discredit on the department by taking part in the photo, disrespecting or maltreating a person on or off duty, and unlawful or unnecessary use or display of a weapon.

...The FBI uncovered the photo during its investigation of Finnigan, who was convicted in 2011 of leading a band of rogue police who stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from suspected drug dealers and ordered a hit on a fellow officer to keep him from revealing the scheme.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHICAGO_POLICE_PHOTO?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-27-21-33-35)

[indago]

From MLive 28 May 2015:
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"I cannot anymore see Ann Arbor police officers in the way that I did," she told Judge Carol Kuhnke, after reading her former roommate's victim impact statement in Washtenaw County Trial Court on Tuesday. ...The women all seemed to agree on one thing: they no longer trust police thanks to the actions of Kitts. ...According to another statement and commentary by Assistant Washtenaw County Prosecutor Eric Gutenberg, women from other countries targeted in the incidents have felt especially traumatized and now distrust American police. ..."This is someone who abused his authority — his power behind the badge, in uniform, in the police vehicle, the weapons. ... This is an armed police officer making these demands."
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article (http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/05/deep_distrust_victims_condemn.html)

[indago]

A 2-year-old boy was reported missing from his home in Allegan County, Michigan, Friday night.

Hours later, after an intense search by local and state police, K9 teams and a helicopter crew, the little boy was found only a quarter mile from his home, WXMI reported.

He was covered in mud, but despite being on his own from 9:30 p.m. until 4:00 a.m., he was not hurt, and waved down a deputy searching for him, wanting to pet the police officer's K9.

report (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/national/child-reported-missing-found-when-he-waves-down-co/nmR9x/)

[Gunny]

Really grates on you doesn't it...!

http://i38.tinypic.com/232ohc.jpg

Nah. Just the waste of oxygen and bandwidth you represent does.

[indago]

From FOX News Detroit 2 June 2015:
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Tax payers will be charged a certain amount of money in order to help pay for the Floyd Dent lawsuit against the city. ...He was was awarded a $1.4 million settlement from the city last month. A dash cam caught Inkster police officer William Melendez beating him last January.
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article/video (http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/29215991/floyd-dent-settlement-to-be-paid-by-inkster-residents)

City residents never learn. This cop had a reputation, and was known for this type of behavior. The residents didn't do anything about it, now they pay.

[aboutime]

From FOX News Detroit 2 June 2015:
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Tax payers will be charged a certain amount of money in order to help pay for the Floyd Dent lawsuit against the city. ...He was was awarded a $1.4 million settlement from the city last month. A dash cam caught Inkster police officer William Melendez beating him last January.
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article/video (http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/29215991/floyd-dent-settlement-to-be-paid-by-inkster-residents)

City residents never learn. This cop had a reputation, and was known for this type of behavior. The residents didn't do anything about it, now they pay.

indago. I find myself laughing as I wish you were a cop in Detroit. Otherwise. Your endless, useless contributions of hatred for cops here...deserves to get a name change for the thread.
"How indago spends all of his time Hating anyone in blue!" It would match your lack of intelligence too!

[indago]

indago. I find myself laughing as I wish you were a cop in Detroit. Otherwise. Your endless, useless contributions of hatred for cops here...deserves to get a name change for the thread.
"How indago spends all of his time Hating anyone in blue!" It would match your lack of intelligence too!

http://i38.tinypic.com/232ohc.jpg
Really grates on you doesn't it...

[Gunny]

http://i38.tinypic.com/232ohc.jpg
Really grates on you doesn't it...

Originality ain't your strong suit, huh?

[aboutime]

http://i38.tinypic.com/232ohc.jpg
Really grates on you doesn't it...


Not really indago. I'm just laughing at you. Wondering WHICH ONE is you?

[indago]

This guy didn't come to a "complete stop" at a stop sign.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTumih2Jxqw


I wonder what the cops would do to you for five mph over the speed limit...

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozq7SR_3g_o

"Two Florida police officers are accused of forcing an 11-year-old girl to the ground at gunpoint after responding to a burglary call at her home.

The child was watching television in bed when the officers let themselves into her family’s Groveland home with their weapons drawn after the burglary alarm was accidentally activated, reported WFTV-TV.

She said one of the officers pushed her to the ground and held here there with his knee while the other officer pointed his gun at her.” *

[revelarts]

2014

Cop Shoots 22 Carrying Sword 6 Times In The Back
Police initially said "man lunged at us with sword and we shot them"
Witnesses said "man was far from cops turned and ran then the cops shot him the back" self defense.

autopsy report said "he was shot in back 6 times."
100 yards away

police now changing story will get back with the details.



"On Wednesday, 22-year-old Darrien Hunt was shot dead by police in Saratoga Springs, Utah, about 35 miles south of Salt Lake City.

For three days, police said nothing about the cause of the shooting while witnesses reported that he was running away as officers shot outside a Panda Express. On Saturday, police issued a brief statement saying he lunged at them with a sword. But Hunt’s lawyer says an independent autopsy shows Hunt was shot in the back and not in the front, and his mother Susan Hunt says the “sword” was a blunt-edged vanity version of a Japanese “Katana” sword he bought at an Asian gift shop.

“Those stupid cops thought they had to murder over a toy,” Susan Hunt told the Associated Press. The family’s lawyer, Randall K. Edwards, declined requests from the Los Angeles Times to provide the name of pathologist who performed the alleged autopsy, or to provide a copy of the autopsy.” *



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNZ3GfBgJ_Y

[Jeff]

This guy didn't come to a "complete stop" at a stop sign.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTumih2Jxqw


I wonder what the cops would do to you for five mph over the speed limit...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozq7SR_3g_o

"Two Florida police officers are accused of forcing an 11-year-old girl to the ground at gunpoint after responding to a burglary call at her home.

The child was watching television in bed when the officers let themselves into her family’s Groveland home with their weapons drawn after the burglary alarm was accidentally activated, reported WFTV-TV.

She said one of the officers pushed her to the ground and held here there with his knee while the other officer pointed his gun at her.” *

We all know there are corrupt police in this country

BUT


Neither of these stories have a link to prove anything other than indago's the guy caught a beating ( and yes I looked it up and it stated the cop was fired so I am sure there was wrong doing there, as for Rev's post, all I see is the burglar alarm was accidentally set off, well the cops have no way of knowing that, so yes they let themselves in and put the girl to the floor and held her there, Maybe ??? for her protection in case bullets started flying ???

As I said there is police brutality out there and you are never going to have it fixed 100% but just look at Baltimore as example, I wonder how many families with dead kids now, wished the cops would of thrown their little ones to the floor and covered them so they didn't get hurt. Yes the cops are bad until they aren't there any longer, than another cry begins.

[revelarts]

We all know there are corrupt police in this country

BUT


Neither of these stories have a link to prove anything other than indago's the guy caught a beating ( and yes I looked it up and it stated the cop was fired so I am sure there was wrong doing there, as for Rev's post, all I see is the burglar alarm was accidentally set off, well the cops have no way of knowing that, so yes they let themselves in and put the girl to the floor and held her there, Maybe ??? for her protection in case bullets started flying ???

As I said there is police brutality out there and you are never going to have it fixed 100% but just look at Baltimore as example, I wonder how many families with dead kids now, wished the cops would of thrown their little ones to the floor and covered them so they didn't get hurt. Yes the cops are bad until they aren't there any longer, than another cry begins.

Yes there are good cops out there I've never said there weren't. I've repeated it many times. Hopefully MOST.
But i have to ask Is dodging your job the mature way to express disappoint with the public if say you want to protect and serve. How about getting your fellow officers who aren't living up to the standards you hold to step up.

And get to the place in the HARD AREAS to the point where people have the same GOOD assumptions about police that a middle class white women have. Because police actions constantly show they are there in the community to help and not assume the whole community is the enemy.

maybe people in Baltimore wanted cops putting knees in the kids back and pointing guns at their heads.
OK if you say so.
but this wasn't Baltimore.
it was one house with one kid sitting on the bed watching TV.
there were no guns but the police guns and they were pointed at her.
It makes no sense Jeff.

[Jeff]

Yes there are good cops out there I've never said there weren't. I've repeated it many times. Hopefully MOST.
But i have to ask Is dodging your job the mature way to express disappoint with the public if say you want to protect and serve. How about getting your fellow officers who aren't living up to the standards you hold to step up.

And get to the place in the HARD AREAS to the point where people have the same GOOD assumptions about police that a middle class white women have. Because police actions constantly show they are there in the community to help and not assume the whole community is the enemy.

maybe people in Baltimore wanted cops putting knees in the kids back and pointing guns at their heads.
OK if you say so.
but this wasn't Baltimore.
it was one house with one kid sitting on the bed watching TV.
there were no guns but the police guns and they were pointed at her.
It makes no sense Jeff.

Again Rev there is no proof of what you are claiming, just as the poor black girl in TX that the cops supposedly mistreated, I just read a article and also many tweets from folks that where there, as well they showed pictures of this poor young 14 year old, sometimes what looks so bad really isn't is all I am saying Rev, I made sure to start my reply with yes there is, as to let you know I am not saying you are wrong, but then again maybe you are on this one case. My point being is people can post anything, as they can say anything, until we know all the facts maybe we shouldn't jump the gun.I watched the video from TX where the white devil cop tackled the black girl, yes the black girl that was told at least 10 times to leave the scene, the same black girl that said she was called racial names , but guess what Rev, the video didn't show not one racial word. Go Figure. :dunno:

Here is the article I am speaking of ( well one of them anyway )
Rev understand I am not saying you are wrong or it never happens I am just saying sometimes stories we read are BS, My Dad taught me years ago, believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

WHITE COP VS. BLACK CHICK IN BIKINI: Separating Facts from BS in the McKinney, Texas Story


With a new video out of McKinney, Texas for the Race Baiters to endlessly play on loop, here are some of the facts and fiction of what actually happened, along with a new interview that was posted on YouTube.
Research by Breitbart Texas into the people who threw the pool party and a new interview posted on YouTube with a young woman named Tatiana who uses the Twitter handle @KeefCakezadds adds more data points for anyone trying to separate fact from fiction in the developing narrative.


Looks to me like the DJ was making money on kids and setting up major trouble for all, these kids are just doing what kids do ( white and black ) but when things get out of hand and you have some running and not taking orders the cops have no choice. And then this young black girl, yes Rev she has that black attitude that she will do as she pleases, the same attitude that I hate to see any woman have ( white or black ) they usually end up getting their butts kicked by some guy that shows them he is just a bit tougher, and we all agree what BS that is, but unfortunately when one has that attitude some one will give her a attitude adjustment.

And just for the record, when I was young yes we would get drunk and jump fences late at night, someone would hear us in the pool and when the lights came on we would run like hell, but no we never had a DJ organizing the event, and we never took over someones pool in broad daylight ( hell we never had more than 7 or 8 guys doing it, not the 100's that had here.) these kids where wrong but if they had listened the cops should of given them a scare talk ( like they use to ) and that would of been the end, but when you have kids putting there hands up with don't shoot written on them, well we all know what was going on.


http://clashdaily.com/2015/06/white-cop-vs-black-chick-in-bikini-separating-facts-from-bs-in-the-mckinney-texas-story/

[revelarts]

Sure, some stories are BS, But I try not to post stories that are. maybe i've missed a few.
but for the most part what i've posted is legit.
i never posted the sketchy stories you mentioned -i don't think- where the police are Accused of wrong doing but when you look at it it's Obvious they we're .. if not WELL within there duty, at least working off basic police protocols.

The point i try to get across is not that , there are a few bad cops. But that there's a LOT of bad policework in general, in some place like New York and LA and it's often part of the system and is systemically covered up and made excuses for.

Or that Many police tend assume they have more authority than we the public have given them. That There's something to see in police culture that's not very noble in many places and it should be addressed honestly.

OF COURSE there are TONS of police just doing there jobs. And they have to deal with a LOT of BS. But that's what they are trained and paid for. It's a crap job IMO and I'm thankful they choose to do it. But do the JOB and don't be abusive.
If we hire Firemen and find they are SETTING fires 1/5 of the time for decades Should people just Assume they are all basically GREAT GUYS, who's videotaped setting of fires should generally brushed off as a few bad apples?

We shouldn't have to regularly compare their behavior to those who are committing crimes to make them look ok.

And as citizens we are derelict in OUR jobs if we only try to imagine police always in the best light and shy away from cold hard examinations of various issues.

[revelarts]

CBN

http://www.cbn.com/tv/4268858162001

A Day in the Life of a Skid Row Beat Cop LAPD officer Deon Joseph knows anything can happen on his patrol of Los Angeles’ infamous Skid Row district, but he approaches each day with compassion for the people, determined to help make a difference.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://cbn.com/tv/embedplayer.aspx?bcid=4268858162001" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[indago]

Jason Sickles wrote for Yahoo 12 June 2015:
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The latest law enforcement officer to fuel the national uproar about race and policing once jailed an African-American man for a defective headlight and was sued by another man for racial profiling, excessive force and other civil rights violations. ...Tommy Brown of Dallas was watching the controversial video on a local TV news report earlier this week when a broadcaster identified the officer involved as Eric Casebolt. “Casebolt!” Brown recalls shouting. “That’s his name! This is the guy that took me to jail. I never will forget that name.” Nor will he forget the charge that put him behind bars: defective headlight.

...“It came back to light real quickly,” he said. “The arrogance. Instantly, I knew exactly what the problem was, who it was and everything.”
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article (http://news.yahoo.com/mckinney-pool-party-officers-past-includes-allegations-of-racial-profiling-questionable-police-practices-014210547.html)

[indago]

The McKinney Robo Cop


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBHpNA-BQ-8


Reminds me of this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-N8IFCdMOU

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?fv=a-sRmbqhfM8

[indago]

Journalist Juliet Linderman wrote for The Associated Press 19 June 2015:
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FBI Director James Comey says officers must work to bridge a gap with the communities they protect. ...Comey says "this is a very difficult time in law enforcement." He says officers must get people to see them "more clearly" and "have to work hard" to see better the people they protect.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BALTIMORE_POLICE_DEATH_FBI?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-06-19-16-19-32)


Journalist Jason Keyser wrote for The Associated Press 19 June 2015:
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A retired judge has released dashboard camera video from a Chicago Police car that shows a white officer repeatedly firing his handgun into a car full of black youths who had been pulled over for speeding and posed no apparent threat.

The judge, who handled a criminal trial of one of the teens, released the December 2013 video as the department has been offering assurances about police conduct while refusing to turn over dash-cam videos itself.

Two teenagers were injured in the shooting and left lying, handcuffed and bleeding, in the street with no apparent effort to get them urgent medical treatment. Their families, who sued the city in federal court, allege officers forcibly removed them later from a hospital while they still were recovering and put them through lengthy questioning even though one was crying out in pain and the other was bleeding so profusely he had to be taken back to the hospital.

The city and police department got a judge to issue a protective order to keep the video from being released by any parties to the civil case, which resulted in a $360,000 settlement.

...The retired judge told The Associated Press "it just showed a reckless and callous disregard for human life by somebody who is sworn to serve and protect."
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHICAGO_POLICE_SHOOTING_VIDEO?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-06-19-16-16-23)

People see officers — actually occupiers, since we are living in an occupied country — pretty clearly. They do have "a reckless and callous disregard for human life", and are not to be trusted.

[indago]

From ABC7 Los Angeles 23 June 2015:
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On Tuesday, Deputy Zach Ropos was on duty when he came across a girl named Gabrielle operating a lemonade stand. Gabrielle's family had been facing financial difficulties, and the girl had been saving up money from the stand in hopes of buying an iPad to use for schoolwork and games. But instead of just paying for a lemonade, the deputy decided he wanted to help Gabrielle achieve her goal. Ropos was going to give Gabrielle an older iPad he had at home, but when he found out that it no longer worked, he decided to buy a brand new one for her instead.
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report (http://abc7.com/society/heartwarming-deputy-buys-ipad-for-little-girl-at-lemonade-stand/801728/)

[indago]

From The Associated Press 2 July 2015:
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Police detectives threatened a 12-year-old witness to make him offer false testimony in a murder case and fabricated statements by him, according to a federal lawsuit filed Thursday by two brothers who spent decades in prison for a crime they didn't commit. ...Both lawsuits allege detectives helped fabricate the witness' trial testimony and falsified investigative reports. ...The lawsuits seek financial compensation and damages. Jackson is already receiving more than $1 million from the state for wrongful imprisonment, while the Bridgemans are receiving more than $1.6 million.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OHIO_SLAYING_WITNESS_RECANTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-07-02-16-12-15)


They've got the money now to fight back against lying cops, and any compensation they receive should come directly out of the police budget as a reminder of what happens when cops lie.

[indago]

And talk about lying cops...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49_wNH9OiYA

[indago]

From The Associated Press 17 August 2015:
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A state trooper accused of forcing female motorists into sexual acts in exchange for dropping traffic charges used Craigslist to offer "traffic stop sex," according to records released Monday that highlight the women's fear of reporting him.

Trooper Bryan Lee also sent multiple Facebook messages to a female passenger he photographed without her shirt on, including one that let her know he'd been keeping an eye on her, a detail included in hundreds of pages of records the Ohio State Highway Patrol released in response to media requests.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TROOPER_FEMALE_MOTORISTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-17-18-31-23)

That's Protect & Serve, not Prophylactic & Service...

[indago]

From The Associated Press 18 August 2015:
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A new report says the 600 shots police fired at the chaotic end to a California bank robbery that left a hostage dead were excessive and unnecessary, with some officers only firing their weapons because other officers were shooting.

The report released Monday by the nonprofit Police Foundation also found some Stockton police officers opened fire with their colleagues standing right in front of them.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BANK_ROBBERY_CHASE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-18-03-20-06)

Just another day at the target range for the KeyStoned Kops...

[indago]

Two police officers were in the process of serving a warrant when Mansur Ball-Bey "pointed a loaded gun at them". So they shot him... in the back!


article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ST_LOUIS_POLICE_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-21-18-13-30)

[revelarts]

NYPD trying to enforce the NO SMOKING IN PUBLIC LAW on a guy that knows his the law and won't lay down and just "confess" to the crime of smoking.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCcmFkr_MR4

[revelarts]

LEO suddenly trails a driver for a couple of miles and finally pulls the man over. The LEO initially says it's because the man failed to turn on his turn signal ...100ft before a turn... then asks the man for his papers.
When he returns the driver ask why he followed him for so long the LEO says,
"because you made direct contact with me and held on to it as i was passing you.."

man-o-man
it's also well known if you don't make good eye contact with LEOs then that's also considered "suspicious".
lose lose if
even if etheir were a REAL offense or even probably cause, or reasonable suspicion.



http://youtu.be/6dnlj00LTRY

[Gunny]

That doesn't give anyone the right to murder them. They're doing what they're told..

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jz7JRLuYJM

[aboutime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jz7JRLuYJM


rev. Your hatred is so obvious about cops. THIS VIDEO IS TWO YEARS AGO. But, like typical whiners. You simply couldn't resist bragging about how much you hate Police officers, and use your LIBERAL BLANKET to describe them all.

[indago]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jz7JRLuYJM

FOLLOW UP (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/02/This-american-life-cops-see-it-differently/385874/)

[revelarts]

...THIS VIDEO IS TWO YEARS AGO.....

so other than that, what do you think of the video AT?

[jimnyc]

That doesn't give anyone the right to murder them. They're doing what they're told..

Post videos about supposed cops abuse - ignore cops getting shot and killed. That's why when I see nitwits "reaching" even the slightest bit, and they get shot, I laugh at them. For example, look at this idiot, in a wheelchair no less, won't listen. I laughed when I watched him slowly fall out of the chair and onto the ground. Game over for being an asshole. And then folks get angry, because of "abuse". Idiots.

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[revelarts]

Post videos about supposed cops abuse - ignore cops getting shot and killed. ...



Anyone who shoots a cop is treated as a criminal, tracked down, captured, jailed, tried, prison or death sentence.
as it should be.
no controversy there.

When a cop abuses his powers or even kills unlawfully.
to often nothing is done,
or they get paid leave then return to regular duty,
or an internal investigation with maybe a move to a desk job.
or in extreme cases they're asked to retire... with full benefits.
rarely "bad apple" LEOs are brought to trial and convicted.

Is that as it should be?

Then add to the above we see people LIKE yourself upset at those who point out the corruption.
As if we've committed a crime of some kind.
And worst motives applied to those showing the abuse and they are called names.
how dare someone point out possible LEO abuses that seem to happen on a regular basis and are left unaddressed .

But no names or bad motives sited for the bad LEOs or even neg comments about their ON camera bad behavior.
Even when whole police Depts seem to cover for the "bad apples".

What's wrong with this picture?

[jimnyc]

Dead scumbag criminals dying at the hands of cops = http://i.imgur.com/aLbef8Y.gif

[revelarts]

Dead scumbag criminals dying at the hands of cops = http://i.imgur.com/aLbef8Y.gif


So it looks like you do the same when innocent people are killed or hurt by cops.
you sure don't seem to shed a tear for any mention in this thread.
(--or even acknowledge there existence clearly.--)

[jimnyc]

So it looks like you do the same when innocent people are killed or hurt by cops.
you sure don't seem to shed a tear for any mention in this thread.
(--or even acknowledge there existence clearly.--)

I pop in here like once every 2-4 weeks, read maybe the last few posts. Sorry I'm not obsessed. If I were to make a post for every black person that shoots a cop, fights a cop, resists arrest from a cop - the thread would be 1,287,652,984,054,746 pages long.

[revelarts]

I pop in here like once every 2-4 weeks, read maybe the last few posts. Sorry I'm not obsessed. If I were to make a post for every black person that shoots a cop, fights a cop, resists arrest from a cop - the thread would be 1,287,652,984,054,746 pages long.

IF You make a thread for all the black people who shoot a cops where the gov't and the police ignores them,
nothing is done, excuses are made why the shooting was "justified".
or the shooter gets paid leave by the gov't then returns to regular life,
or an internal investigation is done that's secret and he's maybe a moved to a desk job.
or in extreme cases they're asked to retire from there job... if they have one... with full benefits and no jail time or even court.

I'll be on the thread ranting right with you.

[jimnyc]

You make a thread for all the black people who shoot a cops where the gov't and the police ignores them,

Backup your words. Find 5 threads that I started where black folks shot someone. No excuses please, just backup what you claim about me.

[revelarts]

Backup your words. Find 5 threads that I started where black folks shot someone. No excuses please, just backup what you claim about me.

In my Hast --as sadly to often happens with my post- a word was missing.

'IF' should have been the 1st word.
as the context shows i hope.
fixed it.

[jimnyc]

Another dummy meets his maker. Adios!

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[Gunny]

Post videos about supposed cops abuse - ignore cops getting shot and killed. That's why when I see nitwits "reaching" even the slightest bit, and they get shot, I laugh at them. For example, look at this idiot, in a wheelchair no less, won't listen. I laughed when I watched him slowly fall out of the chair and onto the ground. Game over for being an asshole. And then folks get angry, because of "abuse". Idiots.

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I posted a video? Must've been sleep-posting. :laugh: I see BOTH sides to the argument. I think cops are heavy-handed. It doesn't take 5 cops to take down one person, slam them on the ground, twist their shoulders out of whack to make an arrest. You tell me to walk backwards then drop on my knees, fuck you. I ain't dropping on my knees for jack shit. Got enough problems with them. And start shoving me around acting all bad and you're going to need your 4 other buddies. They ARE bullies.

Doesn't mean they don't do good things as individuals at times. You don't serve to not serve. Unfortunately, all we see are the ones that screw up, are wrongly accused, or the aforementioned bullies you see on COPS every night. Mundane, boring saving a kitty isn't worth the media's time nor effort.

[jimnyc]

I posted a video?

Nah. I was speaking in general, that many concentrate on the abuses within the police around the nation, then ignore or find excuses when cops are shot.

[Gunny]

Nah. I was speaking in general, that many concentrate on the abuses within the police around the nation, then ignore or find excuses when cops are shot.

I don't think it's okay to shoot a cop. I think as I've said about everything ... we get what the media gives us and they have routinely given a one-sided story since Kent State. Add your average dumbass in and you get a one-sided view. Everyone wants to blame others for their problems. Whites get blamed for black problems, minorities get blamed for white problems, then you got the brain sturgeons that take bait cars. Minorities whine they get picked on, but why is it if you watch these shows like The First 48, Forensic Files, Bait Car, COPS ... it's ALWAYS minorities committing the crimes? And always doing the same dumb shit.

Maybe his Highness Mr O-blah-blah should give out free tv's and cable? Crap, if I WAS a car thief I'm sure as hell not taking one with the keys in it. :laugh: