Protect & Serve

[indago]

From The Associated Press 29 December 2015:
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Police say a Louisiana officer accused of stealing from Hispanic motorists who did not speak English has been arrested.

A Tuesday news release from the state police says Officer Laquinton Banks of the Independence Police Department was booked into the Tangipahoa Parish jail on charges of felony theft, malfeasance and hate crimes.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OFFICER_ARRESTED_THEFT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-29-21-00-34)

He should be charged with armed robbery...

[indago]

Police trainee shoots wife

article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRAINEE_SHOOTS_WIFE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-31-07-27-12)

Well, he's off to a good start...

[Perianne]

Police trainee shoots wife

article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRAINEE_SHOOTS_WIFE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-12-31-07-27-12)

Well, he's off to a good start...

Was his wife a young black man?

[indago]

Was his wife a young black man?

In this day and age it wouldn't surprise me one bit...

[revelarts]

Was his wife a young black man?

or maybe it was an older white nurse.

[Perianne]

or maybe it was an older white nurse.

I was saying that because it seems that cops only shoot young black men.

[revelarts]

I was saying that because it seems that cops only shoot young black men.
sorry Perianne,
it didn't come across that way as written.
And you've made "jokes" along that line before.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 5 January 2016:
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The city of Chicago has paid $5.5 million in reparations to 57 people whose claims that they were tortured by police decades ago were found to be credible. ...More than 100 men, mostly African-American, have accused Burge and officers under his command of shocking, suffocating and beating them into giving false confessions, some of which landed them on death row. ...The $5.5 million adds to more than $100 million that has been paid in court-ordered judgments, settlements of lawsuits and legal fees
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TORTURE_REPARATIONS_CHICAGO?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-05-00-36-39)

[indago]

From The Associated Press 6 January 2016:
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The local NAACP wants to see documents from the grand jury that decided not to indict two Cleveland police officers in the fatal shooting of Tamir Rice, a 12-year-old black boy who had a pellet gun. Members of the Cleveland NAACP are seeking transcripts of witness testimony before the grand jury that heard evidence in the 2014 shooting. WJW-TV (http://bit.ly/1VI1mef ) reports the group voted Tuesday night to push for the documents' release.

Members say they want to see and analyze everything that grand jurors heard in the case.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLEVELAND_POLICE_SHOOT_BOY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-06-08-49-21)


Can hardly blame them for that, considering the fact that grand juries, over the years, are known to be manipulated by prosecutors and witnesses, a most egregious example being the case of William Kilpatrick.

Senior United States District Judge Fred M. Winner, of the Tenth Circuit in Denver Colorado, noted, in his opinion in the case: "This case was started with a multiple count, multiple defendant indictment returned after an investigation spanning the lives of two grand juries. Judge Kane dismissed all except one count, which left a one defendant charge of obstruction of justice case to try. It was prosecuted by three attorneys employed by the Tax Division of the Department of Justice in Washington. The single remaining count of the indictment had absolutely nothing to do with tax law, and the trial could have been handled competently and with aplomb by any assistant United States Attorney living in Denver, but the administrative decision of the Department of Justice was to send three lawyers from the Tax Division to try an obstruction of justice case, a prosecution unrelated to their professed area of expertise. I mention this fact for one very important reason. ...To fully cover all of the headaches of this case would require a volume, and I don't plan to write that book for reasons which will appear presently."

Although the case started with the "filing of a twenty-seven count indictment charging seven individuals and the Bank of Nova Scotia with conspiracy, mail fraud and tax fraud, Judge Kane had dismissed twenty-six of the counts for "failure to charge a crime and as improperly pleaded." Judge Winner stated that "there are so many things to cover that this opinion won't be short."

"To accept the testimony of government witnesses at full value would require that I effectively decide that quite a few reputable lawyers and citizens of this community and other communities are guilty of perjury..."

Judge Winner noted that with the foregoing statement in the record, he "set the stage for some of the bizarre happenings in this case". He quoted from a 1935 case before the United States Supreme Court, noting that the obligation of the United States Attorney "in a criminal prosecution is not that it shall win a case, but that justice shall be done." "...while he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones. It is as much his duty to refrain from improper methods calculated to produce a wrongful conviction as it is to use every legitimate means to bring about a just one." He stated also that "Perhaps the thing which disappoints me the most is the forgetfulness of the grand jury itself in going along with having two IRS agents in charge of the IRS investigation sworn as 'agents of the grand jury'." He stated: "I orally, and on the record, stressed that a grand jury has a duty to protect the innocent and I emphasized that a grand jury is an independent body, separate and apart from investigative agencies and that grand juries are not an arm of the prosecution but instead, they have a duty to examine the government's case carefully. I didn't tell them that they couldn't appoint IRS agents as their own "agents", because it never occurred to me that there could be such a blurring of the "investigative agency", "prosecuting attorney" and "grand juror" functions. However, I did supply each grand juror with a copy of the recommended instructions to grand jurors authored under the auspices of the Judicial Center, and I urged each grand juror to read the instructions frequently to be sure that they adequately performed their duties.

The case of U.S. v Kilpatrick was reviewed on the news program 60 MINUTES. Mike Wallace reported: "When Fred Winner, the other judge in this case, wrote his opinion that there was misconduct by the U.S. government, the Justice Department tried to suppress what he had written. But their strategy backfired, and the story ended up on page one all over the country, and the Justice Department reversed itself and apologized for trying to suppress it. But after the Justice Department apologized for trying to suppress the opinion, the three Justice Department attorneys, Blondin, Scharf and Snyder, about whom Judge Fred Winner had written, went to an outside counsel to try to keep the judge's opinion from being published."

REVIEW (https://books.google.com/books?id=J8jD65XmQ7YC&pg=PT180&lpg=PT180&dq=%22william+kilpatrick%22+Judge+Fred+M.+Winner&source=bl&ots=UyuNLYtzL0&sig=jdHRzfS3bAhId51_P4sRrtykvek&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizlJD5s5XKAhUS42MKHWN8CEYQ6AEIHjAC#v=on epage&q=%22william%20kilpatrick%22%20Judge%20Fred%20M.%2 0Winner&f=false)

[aboutime]

READ AT YOUR DISPLEASURE....https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_6

[indago]

From The Associated Press 6 January 2016:
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Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel is on the defensive again, dealing with the fallout from a judge's opinion accusing a top city lawyer of hiding evidence in another case involving a fatal police shooting. ...In Pinex's case, the officers who stopped his car testified that they did so because it matched a car involved in a shooting they had heard about over their police radio. They said they shot Pinex after he refused their orders and put his car in reverse.

But records later emerged showing that the officers weren't listening to the channel broadcasting the radio traffic about the car involved in the earlier shooting. In his ruling Monday in a lawsuit brought by Pinex's relatives, U.S. District Judge Edmond Chang said a city attorney "intentionally concealed" that evidence.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHICAGO_POLICE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-06-07-20-32)

[indago]

Alan Blinder wrote for The New York Times 7 January 2016:
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A prosecutor here said Thursday that he would seek a felony murder indictment against a white police officer who last year shot and killed Anthony Hill, a black man who was naked and unarmed at the time of the fatal encounter. ...Mr. James said that prosecutors would ask grand jurors, when they met on Jan. 21, to charge Officer Olsen with felony murder, aggravated assault, violation of oath of office and making a false statement.

...But Lance LoRusso, a defense lawyer who works with the Georgia division of the Fraternal Order of Police, said the laws here afforded officers a crucial opportunity to explain their decisions and experiences, and he said the protections helped to curb potentially overzealous prosecutions.
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TITLE (http://address)


To say nothing of overzealous enforcements...




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[aboutime]

Alan Blinder wrote for The New York Times 7 January 2016:
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A prosecutor here said Thursday that he would seek a felony murder indictment against a white police officer who last year shot and killed Anthony Hill, a black man who was naked and unarmed at the time of the fatal encounter. ...Mr. James said that prosecutors would ask grand jurors, when they met on Jan. 21, to charge Officer Olsen with felony murder, aggravated assault, violation of oath of office and making a false statement.

...But Lance LoRusso, a defense lawyer who works with the Georgia division of the Fraternal Order of Police, said the laws here afforded officers a crucial opportunity to explain their decisions and experiences, and he said the protections helped to curb potentially overzealous prosecutions.
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TITLE (http://address)


To say nothing of overzealous enforcements...




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dribble...Looks like one of your Bro's ruined your hatred streak here...http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/01/08/philadelphia-cop-shooting-wounded-street-ambush/78499196/

[indago]

dribble...Looks like one of your Bro's ruined your hatred streak here...

I am not a follower of Islam...

DISCUSSION (http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/01/09/philly-mayor-jim-kenney-cop-shooting-had-nothing-do-any-faith)

[Drummond]

I am not a follower of Islam...

DISCUSSION (http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/01/09/philly-mayor-jim-kenney-cop-shooting-had-nothing-do-any-faith)

'Same old, same old' .....

Individual: 'I am a follower of Islam'

Mayor: 'No, you're not. You can't be, because I say you can't be, so there ...'.

Same as here. The Government says that terrorist acts are undertaken by those only CLAIMING to be Islamic. They say they can't be, therefore, they 'aren't'.

Basically ... Islamists cannot determine for themselves what it is they believe in. Makes sense to you ? To anyone ??

[aboutime]

I am not a follower of Islam...

DISCUSSION (http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/01/09/philly-mayor-jim-kenney-cop-shooting-had-nothing-do-any-faith)


Funny indago. Obama said the very same thing. And we all know differently. Denial IS one step in many.

[indago]

'Same old, same old' .....

Individual: 'I am a follower of Islam'

Mayor: 'No, you're not. You can't be, because I say you can't be, so there ...'.

Same as here. The Government says that terrorist acts are undertaken by those only CLAIMING to be Islamic. They say they can't be, therefore, they 'aren't'.

Basically ... Islamists cannot determine for themselves what it is they believe in. Makes sense to you ? To anyone ??

The completely toadified are bound to political correctness...

UNRAVEL (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4692729128001/police-officer-in-good-spirits-after-nearly-assassinated/?playlist_id=2694949842001#sp=show-clips)

[jimnyc]

From The Associated Press 6 January 2016:
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The local NAACP wants to see documents from the grand jury that decided not to indict two Cleveland police officers in the fatal shooting of Tamir Rice, a 12-year-old black boy who had a pellet gun. Members of the Cleveland NAACP are seeking transcripts of witness testimony before the grand jury that heard evidence in the 2014 shooting. WJW-TV (http://bit.ly/1VI1mef ) reports the group voted Tuesday night to push for the documents' release.

Members say they want to see and analyze everything that grand jurors heard in the case.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLEVELAND_POLICE_SHOOT_BOY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-06-08-49-21)

They could and should be able to review and investigate all they can. But at the end of the day, the right decision was made. A tragedy took place because a kid refused to listen to others, and eventually decided to bring a gun to the park and wave it around. There's a reason toy guns are purposely made to look like toys anymore, and have painted tips. If this is altered, and one knows about it, and refuses to leave it be, and then waves it around in a park - something bad very well could happen. Nothing should change this decision. No gun should ever be in a park, unless it is extremely clearly painted and 100% obvious that it's a toy.

[jimnyc]

I am not a follower of Islam...

DISCUSSION (http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/01/09/philly-mayor-jim-kenney-cop-shooting-had-nothing-do-any-faith)

Should we ignore the defendants own words and confession?

[indago]

They could and should be able to review and investigate all they can. But at the end of the day, the right decision was made. A tragedy took place because a kid refused to listen to others, and eventually decided to bring a gun to the park and wave it around. There's a reason toy guns are purposely made to look like toys anymore, and have painted tips. If this is altered, and one knows about it, and refuses to leave it be, and then waves it around in a park - something bad very well could happen. Nothing should change this decision. No gun should ever be in a park, unless it is extremely clearly painted and 100% obvious that it's a toy.

You are assuming the officers saw a gun before he was shot...


Rice's family was "disappointed" by today's outcome but not "surprised," his family's attorneys said. The attorneys said they are renewing their request for the Department of Justice to "step in to conduct a real investigation." "As the video shows, Officer Loehmann shot my son in less than a second," his family said in a statement. "All I wanted was someone to be held accountable. But this entire process was a charade." Rice's legal team insisted that Tamir's hands were in his pockets when he was shot.


"The toy was not out when the officers arrived. Watch the video," said Subodh Chandra. "A Ph.D in biomechanics said Tamir's hands were in his pocket. The prosecutor is covering up his own mishandling of the process."


report (http://abcnews.go.com/US/toy-gun-tamir-rice-holding-prosecutors/story?id=35982086)

[indago]

Should we ignore the defendants own words and confession?

Of course not!

[jimnyc]

You are assuming the officers saw a gun before he was shot...




report (http://abcnews.go.com/US/toy-gun-tamir-rice-holding-prosecutors/story?id=35982086)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yql-CTz0vs

[jimnyc]

Of course not!

Then I'll dismiss the politically correct words of the mayor who was talking out of his ass. The scumbag admitted he did it in the name of islam, and said that police officers defend laws contrary to the quran. The mayor is wrong, 100%.

[indago]

Then I'll dismiss the politically correct words of the mayor who was talking out of his ass. The scumbag admitted he did it in the name of islam, and said that police officers defend laws contrary to the quran. The mayor is wrong, 100%.

That was the conclusion that was arrived at in the Kelly File video...

[jimnyc]

That was the conclusion that was arrived at in the Kelly File video...

It just makes no sense to me that the mayor would completely set aside what the shooter said himself - other than to be politically correct and not want to bring Islam into the picture. Leaders and other authorities have been doing similar for quite some time now, and failing miserably.

[indago]

Journalist Laurie Hanna wrote for The New York Daily News 3 December 2015:
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A Maryland police officer has been convicted of assault after being caught on camera pointing a gun at a man’s head. Prince George's County Police Officer Jenchesky Santiago was found guilty of inappropriate use of his service weapon as he arrested William Cunningham outside his home. ...Officer Santiago, a two-year veteran of the force, was convicted of first and second degree assault as well as two other lesser charges. He could now face 45 years in prison.

...Cunningham said he was in a vehicle with his cousin and stopped outside of his home last May when the officer approached them claiming the two were illegally parked.

Cunningham stepped out of the vehicle to go to his home, when the situation with Santiago escalated.

“Get back over there, get back in the car,” Santiago shouts at Cunningham as he pushes him away from his house in Bowie.

When Cunningham protests, “You put a gun to my head!” Santiago yells backs, “You're right.”

Santiago continues to push Cunningham towards the car, before pointing the gun directly at his forehead.

Cunningham then stares down the barrel of a gun in a tense standoff, before Santiago challenges him.

”I dare you to f-----g fight me, son,” he says in the video.
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article/video (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/maryland-guilty-assault-pointing-gun-man-article-1.2453646)

From Thomson Reuters 9 January 2016:
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A Maryland police officer has been sentenced to five years imprisonment for putting his gun to a man's head and mouth during a 2014 incident that was caught on cellphone video... Cellphone video that captured the incident showed Santiago pointing his service weapon at Cunningham's head and saying "I dare you to fucking fight me, son".
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article (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-maryland-police-idUSKCN0UN0GF20160109)

[indago]

From Fox News 10 January 2016:
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The Salt Lake County District Attorney says he will re-open the investigation into a fatal police shooting after new video surfaced that appears to show the man on the ground when he was shot. ...Gill says he's also looking into why his office didn't see the video during the original police investigation of the shooting. ...He ruled in February 2015 that Salt Lake City Police Officer Matthew Taylor was justified when he fired the shots because Barker was reaching for the officer's gun.
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report (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/10/utah-police-shooting-investigation-to-re-open-following-release-new-video.html)

But then, don't the nice policemen's shout that out for the cameras while beating on a suspect: "STOP RESISTING"; "STOP REACHING FOR MY GUN".

[Gunny]

Then I'll dismiss the politically correct words of the mayor who was talking out of his ass. The scumbag admitted he did it in the name of islam, and said that police officers defend laws contrary to the quran. The mayor is wrong, 100%.

Did you see the Chief of Police roll his eyes in the background while Mr Mayor was trying to blow smoke up everyone's a$$es? Hilarious. :laugh:

[aboutime]

From Fox News 10 January 2016:
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The Salt Lake County District Attorney says he will re-open the investigation into a fatal police shooting after new video surfaced that appears to show the man on the ground when he was shot. ...Gill says he's also looking into why his office didn't see the video during the original police investigation of the shooting. ...He ruled in February 2015 that Salt Lake City Police Officer Matthew Taylor was justified when he fired the shots because Barker was reaching for the officer's gun.
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report (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/10/utah-police-shooting-investigation-to-re-open-following-release-new-video.html)

But then, don't the nice policemen's shout that out for the cameras while beating on a suspect: "STOP RESISTING"; "STOP REACHING FOR MY GUN".




Indago. Forgot to tell everyone about my other New Years Resolution. And it applies to you.

My resolution was....."That YOU, Indago, would someday need a Police Officer, and learn they had been reading your Hypocrisy here on DP...And.....they took their time, then forgot to come to your aid."

That's something you should really consider. Seein' as how you pretend to Love cops, when the truth...SPEAKS FOR ITSELF....right here.

[indago]

Indago. Forgot to tell everyone about my other New Years Resolution. And it applies to you.

My resolution was....."That YOU, Indago, would someday need a Police Officer, and learn they had been reading your Hypocrisy here on DP...And.....they took their time, then forgot to come to your aid."

That's something you should really consider. Seein' as how you pretend to Love cops, when the truth...SPEAKS FOR ITSELF....right here.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130507012337/glee/images/8/83/Yawn.gif

BORING!

[Gunny]

From Fox News 10 January 2016:
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The Salt Lake County District Attorney says he will re-open the investigation into a fatal police shooting after new video surfaced that appears to show the man on the ground when he was shot. ...Gill says he's also looking into why his office didn't see the video during the original police investigation of the shooting. ...He ruled in February 2015 that Salt Lake City Police Officer Matthew Taylor was justified when he fired the shots because Barker was reaching for the officer's gun.
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report (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/10/utah-police-shooting-investigation-to-re-open-following-release-new-video.html)

But then, don't the nice policemen's shout that out for the cameras while beating on a suspect: "STOP RESISTING"; "STOP REACHING FOR MY GUN".

Well, while you're getting the cops to wear cameras and citizens to give up their guns, why don't you just go ask the bad guys to do the same?

[indago]

Well, while you're getting the cops to wear cameras and citizens to give up their guns, why don't you just go ask the bad guys to do the same?

Point out where I wrote I'm "getting the cops to wear cameras and citizens to give up their guns"!

[aboutime]

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130507012337/glee/images/8/83/Yawn.gif

BORING!



I totally agree with you. YOU ARE BORING, and a hypocrite as well.

[Gunny]

Point out where I wrote I'm "getting the cops to wear cameras and citizens to give up their guns"!

Play semantics with someone at your grade school level. The intent of this thread would be obvious to any 4th grader.

[indago]

Play semantics with someone at your grade school level. The intent of this thread would be obvious to any 4th grader.



And did Ol' Huff'nPuff "Point out where I wrote I'm "getting the cops to wear cameras and citizens to give up their guns""?

Of course not. And why am I not surprised! Just some old bluster and BS. And didn't I just know, somehow, that this is the way this would turn out. So predictable. These BlowHards thrive on making bold and sweeping generalizations, but when called upon the carpet to examine into the ranting, the foundation crumbles, along with veracity; and, we find that the equivocations are just that; just blowing smoke, and now eating crow; and enjoying a favorite dish:

SMOKED CROW

[Gunny]

And did Ol' Huff'nPuff "Point out where I wrote I'm "getting the cops to wear cameras and citizens to give up their guns""?

Of course not. And why am I not surprised! Just some old bluster and BS. And didn't I just know, somehow, that this is the way this would turn out. So predictable. These BlowHards thrive on making bold and sweeping generalizations, but when called upon the carpet to examine into the ranting, the foundation crumbles, along with veracity; and, we find that the equivocations are just that; just blowing smoke, and now eating crow; and enjoying a favorite dish:

SMOKED CROW

What are you babbling about?

YOU are the one making bold and sweeping generalizations. junior. You expected no backlash from them? Grow up. You present a one-sided POV. How's that crow taste?

And who s "Huff and Puff"? I speak for myself. I don't need any help. No quarter asked, nor given.

[indago]

My resolution was....."That YOU, Indago, would someday need a Police Officer...

What, and get this:


POSTED (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=788979#post788979)


Or this:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC98Ovq9sF4


You must be insane, besides being a pervert...

[indago]

Journalist Amanda Lee Myers wrote for The Associated Press 11 January 2016:
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The Los Angeles police chief has recommended criminal charges against an officer who shot and killed an unarmed homeless man. The decision came after investigators concluded that Brendon Glenn was on his stomach trying to push himself up on May 5 when Officer Clifford Proctor shot the 29-year-old New York native in the back... Investigators also found that Glenn wasn't trying to take a gun from Proctor or his partner when he was shot. Proctor's partner told investigators that he didn't know why the officer opened fire, Jenal said.

"In this case, the chief is describing that in his mind, the suspect was down, trying to push himself up, and the evidence gathered — witness statements and video — shows that the officer's statement that the suspect was going for a gun is not substantiated...

"The chief should stay out of it, for or against," said Craig Lally, president of the Los Angeles Police Protective League. "I don't think any chief of police in any city should say one way or another to prosecute or not to prosecute," he said. "Let (District Attorney) Jackie Lacey determine if there's enough evidence for a filing."
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_VENICE_HOMELESS_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-11-18-54-34)

[aboutime]

What, and get this:


POSTED (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=788979#post788979)


Or this:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC98Ovq9sF4


You must be insane, besides being a pervert...



Up until now. After seeing this. I bit my tongue, and refused to accuse you of such filth. But since you posted a photo that brags about your private life, and thoughts. You should remember. "What goes around...."

[indago]

Up until now. After seeing this. I bit my tongue, and refused to accuse you of such filth. But since you posted a photo that brags about your private life, and thoughts. You should remember. "What goes around...."

You're the one with his hand in his pants, lustfully fantasizing about me! I would say that qualifies...

QUALIFIER (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?47514-Gays&p=790797#post790797)

Point out where I "posted a photo that brags about your private life, and thoughts".

[indago]

The completely toadified are bound to political correctness...

UNRAVEL (http://video.foxnews.com/v/4692729128001/police-officer-in-good-spirits-after-nearly-assassinated/?playlist_id=2694949842001#sp=show-clips)


FBI Director James B. Comey said Wednesday that federal agents are investigating last week's shooting of a Philadelphia police officer as a terrorist attack.

article (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20160114_FBI_director__feds_investigating_Phila__o fficer_s_shooting_as_terrorist_attack.html)

[aboutime]

You're the one with his hand in his pants, lustfully fantasizing about me! I would say that qualifies...

QUALIFIER (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?47514-Gays&p=790797#post790797)

Point out where I "posted a photo that brags about your private life, and thoughts".



Should I tell everyone, or will you about your hand always being cold??? I saw that video as your subconscious tactic to disclose your personal secret life for all to see.

[indago]

You're the one with his hand in his pants, lustfully fantasizing about me! I would say that qualifies...

QUALIFIER (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?47514-Gays&p=790797#post790797)

Point out where I "posted a photo that brags about your private life, and thoughts".

Well, here it is, a couple of days gone by, and did aboutime "Point out where I "posted a photo that brags about your private life, and thoughts""?

Of couse not. And why am I not surprised!

And didn't I just know, somehow, that this is what would happen. So predictable. Bold and sweeping generalizations, but when called upon the carpet to examine into his ranting, the foundation crumbles, along with his veracity; and, we find that his equivocations are just that; he is just blowing smoke and eating crow; and creating a favored dish: SMOKED CROW

Two peas in a pod: Gunny and aboutime...

Now go HERE (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?49744-The-aboutime-and-Gunny-Snivel-Thread&p=735589#post735589) and do some Whining'nSniveling!

[aboutime]

Well, here it is, a couple of days gone by, and did aboutime "Point out where I "posted a photo that brags about your private life, and thoughts""?

Of couse not. And why am I not surprised!

And didn't I just know, somehow, that this is what would happen. So predictable. Bold and sweeping generalizations, but when called upon the carpet to examine into his ranting, the foundation crumbles, along with his veracity; and, we find that his equivocations are just that; he is just blowing smoke and eating crow; and creating a favored dish: SMOKED CROW

Two peas in a pod: Gunny and aboutime...

Now go HERE (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?49744-The-aboutime-and-Gunny-Snivel-Thread&p=735589#post735589) and do some Whining'nSniveling!



Thanks, once again Mr. Snivel; for proving everything I might have said about you to be TRUE.

Denial from you is just one step you keep using.

[indago]

From The New York Times 18 January 2016:
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The University of Cincinnati has agreed to pay $4.85 million to the family of an unarmed black man who was shot to death in July by one of its police officers, a settlement that also requires the college to provide an undergraduate education to his 12 children, create a memorial to him on campus and include his family in discussions on police reform.

The family of Samuel DuBose, who was killed by a white officer during a routine traffic stop in what a prosecutor called a “senseless, asinine shooting,” reached the settlement after two days of mediation, the university said Monday in announcing the deal. It estimated the total cost to the university, which is publicly funded, to be $5.3 million.
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/us/university-of-cincinnati-to-pay-4-85-million-to-family-of-man-killed-by-officer.html?ref=todayspaper)

[Perianne]

From The New York Times 18 January 2016:
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The University of Cincinnati has agreed to pay $4.85 million to the family of an unarmed black man who was shot to death in July by one of its police officers, a settlement that also requires the college to provide an undergraduate education to his 12 children, create a memorial to him on campus and include his family in discussions on police reform.

The family of Samuel DuBose, who was killed by a white officer during a routine traffic stop in what a prosecutor called a “senseless, asinine shooting,” reached the settlement after two days of mediation, the university said Monday in announcing the deal. It estimated the total cost to the university, which is publicly funded, to be $5.3 million.
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/us/university-of-cincinnati-to-pay-4-85-million-to-family-of-man-killed-by-officer.html?ref=todayspaper)

You know that negro was up to something. He should not have driven away from a police stop. Again, a negro dies because he refused to accept the authority of the policeman. The family and lawyers now have benefited from his stupidity.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 19 January 2016:
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The Los Angeles City Council agreed Tuesday to pay a total of $24.3 million to Kash Register and Bruce Lisker, two men who were suing the city for wrongful murder convictions after spending decades in prison. The council voted to pay $16.7 million to Register and $7.6 million to Lisker, who had filed unrelated but similar lawsuits challenging the police work that helped send them to prison.

..."They recognized that Kash was the victim of a horrible injustice, and that if a jury saw the evidence of misconduct that led to his wrongful conviction, the award could easily have been several times greater."
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OLD_MURDER_EXONERATIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-19-20-45-51)

Well, LA is now out $24.3 million that the folks there will have to cough up. They should have gone to trial and let the facts of po po misconduct come out on the record.

[indago]

Just Deserts (http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/13529-victim-who-reported-rapist-cop-speaks-about-her-ordeal-he-picked-the-wrong-lady-to)

From CNN 21 January 2016:
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Daniel Holtzclaw, the ex-Oklahoma City officer convicted of rape and other charges after he preyed on African-American women over six months, was sentenced Thursday to 263 years in prison, as recommended by the jury, according to his attorney.

The sentence comes just over a month after a sobbing Holtzclaw was convicted on 18 of 36 counts, including four counts of first-degree rape and four counts of forced oral sodomy.
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report (http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/us/oklahoma-city-officer-daniel-holtzclaw-rape-sentencing/)

[jimnyc]

http://sites.psu.edu/siowfa15/wp-content/uploads/sites/29639/2015/09/Yawning.jpg

[Perianne]

From The Associated Press 19 January 2016:
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The Los Angeles City Council agreed Tuesday to pay a total of $24.3 million to Kash Register and Bruce Lisker, two men who were suing the city for wrongful murder convictions after spending decades in prison. The council voted to pay $16.7 million to Register and $7.6 million to Lisker, who had filed unrelated but similar lawsuits challenging the police work that helped send them to prison.

..."They recognized that Kash was the victim of a horrible injustice, and that if a jury saw the evidence of misconduct that led to his wrongful conviction, the award could easily have been several times greater."
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OLD_MURDER_EXONERATIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-19-20-45-51)

Well, LA is now out $24.3 million that the folks there will have to cough up. They should have gone to trial and let the facts of po po misconduct come out on the record.

LOL, Kash Register.

[LongTermGuy]

LOL, Kash Register.


http://dailynewsdig.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/People-Who-Need-To-Seriously-Consider-A-Name-Change-9.jpg

[indago]

From CNN 21 January 2016:
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Daniel Holtzclaw, the ex-Oklahoma City officer convicted of rape and other charges after he preyed on African-American women over six months, was sentenced Thursday to 263 years in prison, as recommended by the jury, according to his attorney.

The sentence comes just over a month after a sobbing Holtzclaw was convicted on 18 of 36 counts, including four counts of first-degree rape and four counts of forced oral sodomy.
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report (http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/us/oklahoma-city-officer-daniel-holtzclaw-rape-sentencing/)

Journalist Sean Murphy wrote for The Associated Press 22 January 2016:
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A teenager raped by an Oklahoma City cop on the front porch of her mother's home says she doesn't know how to react when she sees law officers now... "Every time I see the police, I don't even know what to do," the teenager, now 18, told Oklahoma County District Judge Timothy Henderson at Holtzclaw's sentencing hearing.

...Oklahoma County District Attorney David Prater said Holtzclaw was not a law officer who committed crimes, but rather "a rapist who masqueraded as a law enforcement officer." "If he was a true law enforcement officer, he would have upheld his duty to protect those citizens rather than victimize them," Prater said.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OKLAHOMA_OFFICER_ASSAULTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-22-02-01-00)


COIN TOSS (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=791393#post791393)


Calling the police "is like a box of chocolates: You never know what you're going to get!"

[aboutime]

http://sites.psu.edu/siowfa15/wp-content/uploads/sites/29639/2015/09/Yawning.jpg

BUMP....to help make the point.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 6 January 2016:
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The local NAACP wants to see documents from the grand jury that decided not to indict two Cleveland police officers in the fatal shooting of Tamir Rice, a 12-year-old black boy who had a pellet gun. Members of the Cleveland NAACP are seeking transcripts of witness testimony before the grand jury that heard evidence in the 2014 shooting. WJW-TV (http://bit.ly/1VI1mef ) reports the group voted Tuesday night to push for the documents' release.

Members say they want to see and analyze everything that grand jurors heard in the case.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLEVELAND_POLICE_SHOOT_BOY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-06-08-49-21)


Can hardly blame them for that, considering the fact that grand juries, over the years, are known to be manipulated by prosecutors and witnesses, a most egregious example being the case of William Kilpatrick.

Senior United States District Judge Fred M. Winner, of the Tenth Circuit in Denver Colorado, noted, in his opinion in the case: "This case was started with a multiple count, multiple defendant indictment returned after an investigation spanning the lives of two grand juries. Judge Kane dismissed all except one count, which left a one defendant charge of obstruction of justice case to try. It was prosecuted by three attorneys employed by the Tax Division of the Department of Justice in Washington. The single remaining count of the indictment had absolutely nothing to do with tax law, and the trial could have been handled competently and with aplomb by any assistant United States Attorney living in Denver, but the administrative decision of the Department of Justice was to send three lawyers from the Tax Division to try an obstruction of justice case, a prosecution unrelated to their professed area of expertise. I mention this fact for one very important reason. ...To fully cover all of the headaches of this case would require a volume, and I don't plan to write that book for reasons which will appear presently."

Although the case started with the "filing of a twenty-seven count indictment charging seven individuals and the Bank of Nova Scotia with conspiracy, mail fraud and tax fraud, Judge Kane had dismissed twenty-six of the counts for "failure to charge a crime and as improperly pleaded." Judge Winner stated that "there are so many things to cover that this opinion won't be short."

"To accept the testimony of government witnesses at full value would require that I effectively decide that quite a few reputable lawyers and citizens of this community and other communities are guilty of perjury..."

Judge Winner noted that with the foregoing statement in the record, he "set the stage for some of the bizarre happenings in this case". He quoted from a 1935 case before the United States Supreme Court, noting that the obligation of the United States Attorney "in a criminal prosecution is not that it shall win a case, but that justice shall be done." "...while he may strike hard blows, he is not at liberty to strike foul ones. It is as much his duty to refrain from improper methods calculated to produce a wrongful conviction as it is to use every legitimate means to bring about a just one." He stated also that "Perhaps the thing which disappoints me the most is the forgetfulness of the grand jury itself in going along with having two IRS agents in charge of the IRS investigation sworn as 'agents of the grand jury'." He stated: "I orally, and on the record, stressed that a grand jury has a duty to protect the innocent and I emphasized that a grand jury is an independent body, separate and apart from investigative agencies and that grand juries are not an arm of the prosecution but instead, they have a duty to examine the government's case carefully. I didn't tell them that they couldn't appoint IRS agents as their own "agents", because it never occurred to me that there could be such a blurring of the "investigative agency", "prosecuting attorney" and "grand juror" functions. However, I did supply each grand juror with a copy of the recommended instructions to grand jurors authored under the auspices of the Judicial Center, and I urged each grand juror to read the instructions frequently to be sure that they adequately performed their duties.

The case of U.S. v Kilpatrick was reviewed on the news program 60 MINUTES. Mike Wallace reported: "When Fred Winner, the other judge in this case, wrote his opinion that there was misconduct by the U.S. government, the Justice Department tried to suppress what he had written. But their strategy backfired, and the story ended up on page one all over the country, and the Justice Department reversed itself and apologized for trying to suppress it. But after the Justice Department apologized for trying to suppress the opinion, the three Justice Department attorneys, Blondin, Scharf and Snyder, about whom Judge Fred Winner had written, went to an outside counsel to try to keep the judge's opinion from being published."

REVIEW (https://books.google.com/books?id=J8jD65XmQ7YC&pg=PT180&lpg=PT180&dq=%22william+kilpatrick%22+Judge+Fred+M.+Winner&source=bl&ots=UyuNLYtzL0&sig=jdHRzfS3bAhId51_P4sRrtykvek&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizlJD5s5XKAhUS42MKHWN8CEYQ6AEIHjAC#v=on epage&q=%22william%20kilpatrick%22%20Judge%20Fred%20M.%2 0Winner&f=false)

From The Cleveland Scene 20 January 2016:
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The grand jury that opted not to indict Cleveland police officers Timothy Loehmann and Frank Garmback in the shooting death of Tamir Rice never actually took a vote on the matter, according to the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's Office. ...At the conclusion of a typical grand jury hearing, there are two possible outcomes achieved via vote: a "true bill," which results in criminal charges and a case number in the court system, or a "no bill," which is a decision not to bring charges. A "no-bill notification" is signed and stamped and kept on record at the county clerk's office.

...After learning and confirming on Jan. 15 that there was no "no-bill notification" on file at the county clerk's office for the Tamir Rice grand jury proceedings, Scene formally requested the document officially showing the decision, however it was reached, and wherever said document might be. We were told that it didn't exist. Employees at both the clerk's and prosecutor's offices were unable to explain the lack of paperwork.

...Reached Tuesday, Subodh Chandra, the local attorney for the Rice family, said that the whole process has been "irregular.” He said he and his team had asked the county if the grand jury members were led through each possible charge for a vote or whether there was one overarching vote on all charges, but never received an answer. When informed no vote of any kind took place, Chandra said: "If it is true that the prosecutor didn't even call for an up or down vote on potential criminal charges, including aggravated murder, then it is truly the ultimate insult to the Rice family,” Chandra said, “that the prosecutor didn't even think it mattered to bring the grand jury proceedings to their proper conclusion."
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article (http://m.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2016/01/20/the-grand-jury-in-the-tamir-rice-case-did-not-take-a-vote-on-charges)

[aboutime]

Indago. Your hatred, and ignorance are still showing.

[indago]

Indago. Your hatred, and ignorance are still showing.

Where?

[revelarts]

From The Associated Press 19 January 2016:
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The Los Angeles City Council agreed Tuesday to pay a total of $24.3 million to Kash Register and Bruce Lisker, two men who were suing the city for wrongful murder convictions after spending decades in prison. The council voted to pay $16.7 million to Register and $7.6 million to Lisker, who had filed unrelated but similar lawsuits challenging the police work that helped send them to prison.

..."They recognized that Kash was the victim of a horrible injustice, and that if a jury saw the evidence of misconduct that led to his wrongful conviction, the award could easily have been several times greater."
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OLD_MURDER_EXONERATIONS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-19-20-45-51)

Well, LA is now out $24.3 million that the folks there will have to cough up. They should have gone to trial and let the facts of po po misconduct come out on the record.

um but but the "negros" must have of been "up to something".... right? :rolleyes:

[jimnyc]

Almost 38 pages of stories and discussion about issues/shootings by police. Some positive stories mixed in. I wonder how many pages we would be up to if we reversed things, and posted stories about folks who go after the police, try to shoot the police or any other type of assault? Or how many pages would we be up to if we reported just the shootings/stabbings/murders of folks in Chicago alone? Those poor forgotten folks. No agenda behind it, not much reason to pay attention and report on it I suppose. Maybe I'm wrong, but what I do know is that it's mainly ignored, the folks that are the loudest about the police and such, very rarely if ever speak out on such places. where the numbers of innocent folks being killed is MUCH MUCH higher.

[revelarts]

Almost 38 pages of stories and discussion about issues/shootings by police. Some positive stories mixed in. I wonder how many pages we would be up to if we reversed things, and posted stories about folks who go after the police, try to shoot the police or any other type of assault? Or how many pages would we be up to if we reported just the shootings/stabbings/murders of folks in Chicago alone? Those poor forgotten folks. No agenda behind it, not much reason to pay attention and report on it I suppose. Maybe I'm wrong, but what I do know is that it's mainly ignored, the folks that are the loudest about the police and such, very rarely if ever speak out on such places. where the numbers of innocent folks being killed is MUCH MUCH higher.

You mean regular criminals?
Not criminals paid by state, federal and local gov'ts to protect and serve the people. on the Gov't clock crimes often covered up or considered "justified".
Crimes, when mentioned, that get some upset because it paints A job we like to imagine as always heroic as often being just human beings in another gov't agency that needs to be watched so the "bad apples" don't take over.

Jim I see this thread as a wake up call, to that kind of crime.
Regular criminals are put in jail everyday by decent cops. no one is defending criminal activity.
But when someone puts on a badge and commits crimes it's a different level of problem. And that criminal activity is often defended or ignored.
That's part of what's being what's being pointed out here.

[aboutime]

Where?


Just the fact you absolutely, positively HAD to answer show's....RIGHT HERE!

[indago]

Just the fact you absolutely, positively HAD to answer show's....RIGHT HERE!

Particularly where, perv?

[aboutime]

Particularly where, perv?


You really should stop asking yourself questions while looking into a mirror.

[indago]

You really should stop asking yourself questions while looking into a mirror.

I'm not! Now, where, in particular, is all this "hatred, and ignorance" that you are babbling about?

[indago]

From The Associated Press 22 January 2016:
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A police officer whose account of a physical altercation with a motorist during a traffic stop was contradicted by a dashcam video showing the motorist with his hands raised was sentenced on Friday to five years in prison.

Bloomfield Officer Orlando Trinidad and a fellow officer were found guilty in November of official misconduct, falsifying public records and other offenses. Officer Sean Courter's Friday sentencing was postponed.

Trinidad will be ineligible for parole during the five-year sentence.

Prosecutors contended Courter followed motorist Marcus Jeter onto the Garden State Parkway in June 2012 after Jeter voluntarily left his home following a verbal dispute with his girlfriend. They said Jeter refused to get out of his car when Courter stopped him, and Courter and Trinidad, who struck the front of Jeter's car when he arrived, broke one of the car's windows and dragged Jeter out.

Courter, of Englishtown, and Trinidad, of Bloomfield, claimed in police reports that Jeter tried to grab Courter's gun and struck Trinidad.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OFFICERS_CHARGED_DASHCAM_VIDEO?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-22-18-24-11)

Same Ol Same Ol (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=791213#post791213)

[aboutime]

I'm not! Now, where, in particular, is all this "hatred, and ignorance" that you are babbling about?



Your next post. Most of your previous posts, and nearly all of the posts you will make in the future.

Negativity is a form of constant, hidden hatred. As for the ignorance. Just the fact you have to question it, and deny it...SAYS IT ALL.

[indago]

Your next post. Most of your previous posts, and nearly all of the posts you will make in the future.

Negativity is a form of constant, hidden hatred. As for the ignorance. Just the fact you have to question it, and deny it...SAYS IT ALL.

Then, point out the "hatred, and ignorance" in this post:

POSTING (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=793245#post793245)

[aboutime]

Then, point out the "hatred, and ignorance" in this post:

POSTING (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=793245#post793245)


You are so angry, defensive, and full of hatred. You simply can't stop coming back for more.

You should be happy, and flattered I am trying to be just like you with my impressions.

[indago]

You are so angry, defensive, and full of hatred. You simply can't stop coming back for more.

You should be happy, and flattered I am trying to be just like you with my impressions.

And more evasions. Truth is: you are just blowing smoke...

Actually, the only "hatred, and ignorance" found in the posts is on the part of the po po.

[aboutime]

And more evasions. Truth is: you are just blowing smoke...

Actually, the only "hatred, and ignorance" found in the posts is on the part of the po po.


Right you are! See how easy it is to emulate, copy, and pretend to be YOU!

[jimnyc]

I just want to summarize instead of starting another thread on a similar but different subject:

Citizens assaulting or shooting police. 86 pages long.
Blacks shooting people in Chicago alone. another 187 pages per month

Yes, it's a damn good idea to ensure our public officers are kept in check, or fired, or brought up on charges depending on the situation. But hopefully someday down the road, some of the louder voices in the nation will also start worrying about citizens, things in much larger numbers, the forgotten folks of the black lives matter movement. If folks were worried about the deaths of young black folks - they would do just that, worry about the deaths of young black folks. But not all deaths matter.

[indago]

Right you are! See how easy it is to emulate, copy, and pretend to be YOU!

You are one strange dude...

[aboutime]

You are one strange dude...


Thank you. See how well pretending to be just like you...works!

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wy9Vj8Fpek

[indago]

Journalist Kantele Franko wrote for The Associated Press 26 January 2016:
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Cleveland officials said Tuesday they're firing six police officers involved in a 137-shot barrage that killed two unarmed black people after a high-speed chase. ...The shooting killed both occupants of the car. Timothy Russell was hit by 24 shots, Malissa Williams by 23.

...Of the officers who fired, only Brelo faced criminal charges. Prosecutors said he stood on the vehicle's hood and fired inside repeatedly after the car had stopped and its occupants were no longer a threat.

...The shooting preceded a monthslong U.S. Department of Justice investigation that concluded Cleveland police engaged in a pattern and practice of using excessive force and violating people's civil rights. ...It also paid a $3 million settlement in a lawsuit filed by relatives of Russell and Williams.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLEVELAND_POLICE_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-26-20-39-17)

[revelarts]

No debate on this one.
the guy stopped and laid on the ground with his hands out.
5 LEOs ponce on him kick and punch him.
While they shout "stop resisting" "stop resisting"

Surveillance footage shows 5 cops beating man during arrest ? VIDEO | Las Vegas Review-Journal (http://www.reviewjournal.com/trending/the-feed/surveillance-footage-shows-5-cops-beating-man-during-arrest-video)


By Caitlin Lillyreviewjournal.com

Five Marion County, Fla., police officers have resigned after surveillance video showing them tackling an unresistant man during an August 2014 arrest was released.
According to NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/video/surveillance-video-shows-cops-beating-man-during-arrest-610627651785), Derek Price, who was arrested on a drug warrant, put his hands in the air, appearing to surrender, and immediately dropped to the ground. As seen in the video, that did not stop five police officers from kicking and punching Price's head, neck and body while he was on the ground.
Body camera footage from one of the officers appears to tell a different story, as the officers are heard yelling at Price to "stop resisting," and tell him to "put his hands behind his back." At one point, the officer turns off the body camera.
Marion County Sheriff Chris Blair said all five officers were suspended without pay. Based on the actions of the five police officers, "they should never receive another dime from the Marion County tax payers," Blair said.
On Wednesday, former Deputy Jesse Turrell, who had been fired following the incident, was indicted on civil rights violations by the Department of Justice. The indictment alleges that Terrell assaulted Price, which resulted in bodily injury, by repeatedly striking, kneeing and kicking the victim in the head, neck and shoulder area.
If convicted, Terrell faces a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000.
The remaining four police officers involved in the incident were named by the Oscala Star Banner (http://www.ocala.com/article/20140811/ARTICLES/140819950) as James Amidei, Adam Crawford, Trevor Fitzgerald and Cody Hoppel. All four have resigned.

Contact Caitlin Lilly at clilly@reviewjournal.com. Find her on Twitter: @caitiesmith (https://twitter.com/@caitiesmith)

[Perianne]

No debate on this one.
the guy stopped and laid on the ground with his hands out.
5 LEOs ponce on him kick and punch him.
While they shout "stop resisting" "stop resisting"

Surveillance footage shows 5 cops beating man during arrest ? VIDEO | Las Vegas Review-Journal (http://www.reviewjournal.com/trending/the-feed/surveillance-footage-shows-5-cops-beating-man-during-arrest-video)

There is a pattern here. EBT and welfare just ain't cutting it nowadays. I am beginning to think blacks do this just so they can get money from the taxpayers. Otherwise, why would it always be blacks who are getting beaten and shot? :)

[indago]

There is a pattern here. EBT and welfare just ain't cutting it nowadays. I am beginning to think blacks do this just so they can get money from the taxpayers. Otherwise, why would it always be blacks who are getting beaten and shot? :)

Brings to mind Kash Register (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=792816#post792816)

[Perianne]

Brings to mind Kash Register (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=792816#post792816)

Hahaha, good 'ol Kash Register. He is one of my favorites! And he sacrificed himself for his family.

[indago]

Hahaha, good 'ol Kash Register. He is one of my favorites! And he sacrificed himself for his family.

And isn't that the essence of life: looking out for your family...

[Perianne]

And isn't that the essence of life: looking out for your family...

It is indeed! Kash is probably a saint now.

[indago]

It is indeed! Kash is probably a saint now.

Yeah, right...

Maybe to his family...

[Perianne]

Yeah, right...

Maybe to his family...

No man has greater love than to give his life for his brother. Or mother, or his family.

[indago]

Matthew Hickey, a Marietta, Ohio police officer, was planning to retire. He had a K9 partner, Ajax. "Ajax has lived with Hickey for the last three years and the retired officer considers the dog "a family member" in addition to the dog's role on the police force." Under Ohio law, the dog was "still fit for duty", and "is property of the city of Marietta." Mr. Hickey couldn't keep the dog. Then, "a GoFundMe page has raised over $50,000 in less than a week to go towards Hickey's purchase of Ajax" so that the dog can stay with Mr. Hickey.

article (http://mashable.com/2016/01/31/k9-auction-fundraiser/)

[indago]

From The Associated Press 31 January 2016:
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A group of 124 Chicago police officers has cost the city $34 million in misconduct settlements since 2009... ...one officer had seven lawsuits against him that were settled.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHICAGO_POLICE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-31-16-26-44)

[indago]

Journalist Paul Elias wrote for The Associated Press 31 January 2016:
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San Francisco police officers are being asked to combat racism in the ranks and take a pledge to turn in colleagues displaying intolerant behavior, such as slurs and jokes targeting people of color, gays and women.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_INTOLERANCE_OATH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-31-00-47-49)

Yeah, like that's gonna happen...

[indago]

From WDIV 4, 2 February 2016:
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A judge on Tuesday said a former Inkster police officer engaged in "cowardly acts of barbaric behavior" and excessive force when he punched a driver in the head 16 times during a traffic stop. ...Dent settled with the City of Inkster for $1.4 million in May. ...She sentenced him to 13 months to 10 years on an assault with intent to do great bodily harm charge and 90 days on a misconduct in office charge.
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report (http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/defenders/final-chapter-in-inkster-police-beating-melendez-to-be-sentenced-tuesday)

[revelarts]

http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/faith-in-humanity-restored-81.jpg

[jimnyc]

Anyone who risks their lives to save an animal is my personal hero!!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Journalist Paul Elias wrote for The Associated Press 31 January 2016:
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San Francisco police officers are being asked to combat racism in the ranks and take a pledge to turn in colleagues displaying intolerant behavior, such as slurs and jokes targeting people of color, gays and women.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_INTOLERANCE_OATH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-31-00-47-49)

Yeah, like that's gonna happen...

FREEDOM OF SPEECH be damned, right?
Nazi tactics being employed, turn in anybody not PC enough and let us deal very harshly with them.
Yet , these are the only protected ones
"jokes targeting people of color, gays and women."

You dont see whites in that "people of color group" do ya?
Whites only get protection if the are female and/or gay..
So its largely an attack on white male officers.
More divide and conquer shit from the usual PC tyrants =libs/dems...

Yet it looks good to most people, as most will not see the biased distinctions made within the
Nazi decree made...--Tyr

[indago]

FREEDOM OF SPEECH be damned, right?
Nazi tactics being employed, turn in anybody not PC enough and let us deal very harshly with them.
Yet , these are the only protected ones
"jokes targeting people of color, gays and women."

You dont see whites in that "people of color group" do ya?
Whites only get protection if the are female and/or gay..
So its largely an attack on white male officers.
More divide and conquer shit from the usual PC tyrants =libs/dems...

Yet it looks good to most people, as most will not see the biased distinctions made within the
Nazi decree made...--Tyr

The blue wall of silence will take care of that edict!

[aboutime]

The blue wall of silence will take care of that edict!



That BLUE WALL OF SILENCE is merely protecting themselves by hiding behind the BLACK WALL OF RACIST IDIOTS who claim they are being targeted....And forget, most of them are killed by Other BLACKS.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 6 February 2016:
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A white Chicago police officer who fatally shot a black 19-year-old college student and accidently killed a neighbor has filed a lawsuit against the teenager's estate, arguing the shooting left him traumatized.
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[Jeff]

From The Associated Press 6 February 2016:
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A white Chicago police officer who fatally shot a black 19-year-old college student and accidently killed a neighbor has filed a lawsuit against the teenager's estate, arguing the shooting left him traumatized.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHICAGO_POLICE_OFFICER_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-02-06-15-50-25)

I hope he gets millions, all we ever hear about is how poor Tyrone, the unarmed black man with a grenade in his teeth was shot and killed by a peckerwood. Think about it, do you really think every white cop waked up thinking hey today could be the day I pop my cherry and get one of them there blacks, no they go out to do their jobs and certain scumbags ( any color can be a street thug ) but these scumbags make cops ( not in all situations but some ) have to take another life. I say if the Government will pay for what the animals did in Baltimore than we ought to take money out of the black college fund to help these poor cops that have to waste the thugs.

[aboutime]

From The Associated Press 6 February 2016:
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A white Chicago police officer who fatally shot a black 19-year-old college student and accidently killed a neighbor has filed a lawsuit against the teenager's estate, arguing the shooting left him traumatized.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHICAGO_POLICE_OFFICER_LAWSUIT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-02-06-15-50-25)


Obviously indago. You have no concept, or any connection with the reality ANY human being would experience after using any kind of weapon to KILL another human being. Truth is. You sound like one of the young punks around our nation who have no problem unloading a Gun on a BRO who looked at him cross-eyed, or owed him a five dollar bill.
The most trauma you feel indago is when someone like me...Calls you out as the fool you really are.

[indago]

Obviously indago. You have no concept, or any connection with the reality ANY human being would experience after using any kind of weapon to KILL another human being. Truth is. You sound like one of the young punks around our nation who have no problem unloading a Gun on a BRO who looked at him cross-eyed, or owed him a five dollar bill.
The most trauma you feel indago is when someone like me...Calls you out as the fool you really are.

And you know what, perv: the harder you try, the more foolish you look...

FOOL! (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=791853#post791853)

[aboutime]

And you know what, perv: the harder you try, the more foolish you look...

FOOL! (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=791853#post791853)


Thanks for calling me a perv. Guess my attempts to be JUST LIKE YOU...are working very well.

Speaking of such things only exposes your need to distract attention from your own Proclivities.

[indago]

Thanks for calling me a perv.

You're Welcome! PERV IS AS PERV DOES

PERV (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=791524#post791524)

[aboutime]

You're Welcome! PERV IS AS PERV DOES

PERV (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=791524#post791524)


GOOD TO SEE YOU CAN'T DENY IT. You really do sound like a 5 year old, out on the playground. How long before you get to start, or graduate PRE-SCHOOL?

[revelarts]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b4mf6tnQM_w/Ujez--N6L7I/AAAAAAAAAxA/APaHsNSBQwk/s1600/police+officer+on+the+stand+-+doesn't+trust+lawyers+so+he+uses+lock+to+lock+up+ his+belonging.jpg


If you ever testify in court, you might wish you could have been as sharp as this policeman.
He was being cross-examined by a defense attorney during a felony trial. The lawyer was trying to undermine the police officer's credibility ...

Q: 'Officer --- did you see my client fleeing the scene?'

A: 'No sir. But I subsequently observed a person matching the description of the offender, running several blocks away.'

Q: 'Officer, who provided this description?'

A: 'The officer who responded to the scene.'

Q: 'A fellow officer provided the description of this so-called offender. Do you trust your fellow officers?'

A: 'Yes, sir. With my life.'

Q: 'With your life? Let me ask you this then officer. Do you have a room where you change your clothes in preparation for your daily duties?'

A: 'Yes sir, we do!'

Q: 'And do you have a locker in the room?'

A: 'Yes, sir, I do.'

Q: 'And do you have a lock on your locker?'

A: 'Yes, sir.'

Q: 'Now, why is it, officer, if you trust your fellow officers with your life, you find it necessary to lock your locker in a room you share with these same officers?'

A: 'You see, sir, we share the building with the court complex, and sometimes lawyers have been known to walk through that room.'

The courtroom EXPLODED with laughter, and a prompt recess was called.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 10 February 2016:
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A Cleveland police officer fired after a high-speed chase led to a 137-shot barrage that killed two unarmed black people says he wants to return to the force. ...The chase began when officers mistook a car backfiring for a gunshot.
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[Perianne]

From The Associated Press 10 February 2016:
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A Cleveland police officer fired after a high-speed chase led to a 137-shot barrage that killed two unarmed black people says he wants to return to the force. ...The chase began when officers mistook a car backfiring for a gunshot.



The families of [Timothy] Russell and [Malissa] Williams filed a lawsuit against the city of Cleveland, claiming they were liable for the wrongful deaths of the two. In November 2014, Cleveland paid $3 million to the two families, which was split evenly.


Out of the 137 shots, 47 found their targets. Looks like they spent some serious time at the shooting range.

Now the families can afford to buy cars that don't backfire. RIP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Timothy_Russell_and_Malissa_Williams

[indago]

From The Associated Press 11 February 2016:
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A rookie police officer who shot an unarmed man dead in a darkened public housing stairwell was convicted Thursday of manslaughter in a case closely watched by advocates for police accountability.

...Liang and his partner were patrolling a public housing high-rise in Brooklyn with his gun drawn when he fired. The bullet ricocheted off a wall and hit the 28-year-old Gurley on a lower floor. The 28-year-old Liang said he had been holding his weapon safely, with his finger on the side and not the trigger, when a sudden sound jarred him and his body tensed.

"I just turned, and the gun went off," he testified.
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[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sYIhrUhmvBQ



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVvR6Mucx6c
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/5d/39/64/5d3964af6f5a5e5a5e84fb5a75f8713c.jpg




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MfxbpEmPa8c

[indago]

http://res.cloudinary.com/sagacity/image/upload/c_limit,w_993/cop_yc6rfx.jpg
"Jes' doin' mah job"

[indago]

Journalist Amanda Myers wrote for The Associated Press 17 February 2016:
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While one Los Angeles police officer acted as a lookout in the front seat of a departmental car, a 19-year-old woman working as a drug informant was forced to perform oral sex on his partner in the back seat after being told, "You have to do what the police tell you to do"... Another woman, also working as a drug informant, said the same two officers each forced her to have sex with them twice after threatening her with jail time.

Two other women told eerily similar stories.

...The Los Angeles City Council settled one case last year after agreeing to pay one woman $575,000...
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[aboutime]

Journalist Amanda Myers wrote for The Associated Press 17 February 2016:
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While one Los Angeles police officer acted as a lookout in the front seat of a departmental car, a 19-year-old woman working as a drug informant was forced to perform oral sex on his partner in the back seat after being told, "You have to do what the police tell you to do"... Another woman, also working as a drug informant, said the same two officers each forced her to have sex with them twice after threatening her with jail time.

Two other women told eerily similar stories.

...The Los Angeles City Council settled one case last year after agreeing to pay one woman $575,000...
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OFFICERS_RAPE_CHARGES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-02-17-20-09-47)



You should have asked the officers to allow you into the front seat, where you could push the siren button, and play with the radio!

[indago]

You should have asked the officers to allow you into the front seat, where you could push the siren button, and play with the radio!

You are one STRANGE DUDE (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=791524#post791524)

[aboutime]

You are one STRANGE DUDE (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?48009-Protect-amp-Serve&p=791524#post791524)


Thanks. Glad to hear my perfect Imitations of You are working so well.

Now, would you tell us how you liked playing with the buttons?

[indago]

From The Associated Press 18 February 2016:
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Two Los Angeles police officers have pleaded not guilty to repeatedly raping four women while on duty over a three-year period. ...Attorneys for both officers say they adamantly maintain their innocence and question the credibility of the women who lodged the allegations.
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Well now, we'll see who lies: police, or victims.

"You have to do what the police tell you to do"

[indago]

Journalist Verena Dobnik wrote for The Associated Press 21 February 2016:
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POLICE DON'T KNOW IF COPS FIRED SHOTS THAT INJURED OFFICERS
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NYPD_OFFICERS_SHOT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-02-21-18-19-40)

Cops enter a scene gunzablazin with reckless abandon. Hardly surprising then that they would be shooting their own...

[indago]

From The Associated Press 20 February 2016:
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About 10,000 supporters of a former police officer convicted of fatally shooting an unarmed man in a darkened stairwell rallied in New York in one of several demonstrations held across the country Saturday to protest his conviction. Peter Liang, who has said the shooting was an accident, was convicted of manslaughter this month in the death of Akai Gurley, who was fatally shot in 2014 inside a New York City public housing building.
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"I just turned, and the gun went off"

[revelarts]

Woman pulled over for crossing the line. and going all of 44mph in a 30 or 35.
She had a previous bad experience the day before and was afraid on lonely stretch of road and asked for a female officer.
(isn't that the new advice for women to avoid fake cops?)
Well the officer was having none of that kinda lip.
so he broke her window in her face unlocked the door and pulled her out.


training needed much?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWPwJIXtY3Y&ebc

[Perianne]

Woman pulled over for crossing the line. and going all of 44mph in a 30 or 35.
She had a previous bad experience the day before and was afraid on lonely stretch of road and asked for a female officer.
(isn't that the new advice for women to avoid fake cops?)
Well the officer was having none of that kinda lip.
so he broke her window in her face unlocked the door and pulled her out.


training needed much?


I agree. That woman needs training in following lawful orders from a police officer. I have been pulled over many times, complied each time, and never had any further problems.

[aboutime]

I agree. That woman needs training in following lawful orders from a police officer. I have been pulled over many times, complied each time, and never had any further problems.


Perianne. Agree as well. I saw a video over the weekend where a Police officer pulled a car over for doing 58 miles an hour in a 35 mph zone. The woman driving thought she was pretty as the cop asked her for her license, insurance, and registration. So she said: "I heard you guys didn't pull over, or stop Pretty Girls officer?"
To which he replied..... "We don't! Please sign your name on the ticket!":dance::clap::laugh:

[indago]

From The Associated Press 29 February 2016:
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Greg Gunn, 58, was shot and killed in Montgomery early Thursday morning. Police officials say Officer A.C. Smith thought Gunn looked suspicious walking in a residential neighborhood. Gunn was walking home from a friend's house a few blocks away. ...Community activists are calling for an independent review of the case.
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Journalist Michael Miller wrote for The Washington Post 1 March 2016:
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It was around 3 a.m. Thursday when Hinson was awoken by a commotion outside his Montgomery, Ala., home. Someone was frantically pounding on his window and shouting his name. As Hinson searched for his phone to dial 911, a flurry of gunshots suddenly split the night in two. When he looked outside, however, Hinson realized it was pointless to call the police. An officer was already there, with a gun in his hand.

“By the time I got to the door, the officer was standing there, my neighbor lying dead”.

...“I want to see all white officers out of the black community,” Chris Miles, a close friend of the Gunn family, told the Advertiser. “I don’t want them patrolling here anymore, because we’re either ‘suspicious,’ or if something happens, they say they were in fear of their life. Those ‘talking points’ get them not indicted. We can’t live under those conditions anymore.”

...“They didn’t call [the paramedics] for 20 minutes as my brother laid on the ground and they stood over him and watched him die after they executed him”.
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article (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/01/they-stood-over-him-and-watched-him-die-outrage-in-alabama-after-white-cop-kills-unarmed-black-man/)

[Perianne]

From The Associated Press 29 February 2016:
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Greg Gunn, 58, was shot and killed in Montgomery early Thursday morning. Police officials say Officer A.C. Smith thought Gunn looked suspicious walking in a residential neighborhood. Gunn was walking home from a friend's house a few blocks away. ...Community activists are calling for an independent review of the case.
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The cops probably asked him his name, and when he replied "Gunn", they thought he was pointing a gun at them. Seems like self defense to me. :)

[indago]

Journalist Jeffrey Collins wrote for The Associated Press 14 March 2016:
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Ex-Trooper Sean Groubert faces up to 20 years in prison. He was led out of a courtroom in handcuffs after Circuit Judge Casey said he wanted time to think about Groubert's punishment. The judge's decision to send the 32-year-old Groubert to jail indicates he will serve some prison time.

The shooting was captured on dash-cam video from the trooper's patrol car and shocked the country, coming during a wave of questionable police shootings.

The video shows Levar Jones walking into a convenience store in September 2014 when Groubert gets out of his patrol car and demands Jones' driver's license.

Jones turns back to reach into his car and Groubert fires four shots. Jones' wallet is seen flying out of his hands.
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[indago]

From The Associated Press 14 March 2016:
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A police chief says an undercover police officer was killed by his own colleagues' bullets as a gunman ambushed his police station.
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[indago]

From The Associated Press 14 March 2016:
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The family of a college football player who was fatally shot by a suburban New York police officer who fired into his moving car reached a $6 million settlement with the village of Pleasantville and the officer, an attorney said Monday.
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[aboutime]

Seems to me. This thread, under the watchful guidance of indago, and the daily AP reporting against his most hated police officers across the nation. Has finally reached it's bitter, sickening end.

Indago. Do you get paid by the AP for your copy and paste work here on DP?

If not. You should. Then the AP should sue you for expressing their hatred, and mutual stupidity.

[Perianne]

Seems to me. This thread, under the watchful guidance of indago, and the daily AP reporting against his most hated police officers across the nation. Has finally reached it's bitter, sickening end.

Indago. Do you get paid by the AP for your copy and paste work here on DP?

If not. You should. Then the AP should sue you for expressing their hatred, and mutual stupidity.

It's no worse than the obsessive anti-Trump threads. But I get your point, aboutime.

[jimnyc]

It's no worse than the obsessive anti-Trump threads. But I get your point, aboutime.

Well, in fairness, I myself sure do start a shitload of Trump threads since he became my top candidate, but that's because just that, he's the guy I like. I won't speak to others starting threads.

[jimnyc]

It's no worse than the obsessive anti-Trump threads. But I get your point, aboutime.

Btw, you win avatar war, the cookie kitty always wins!!

[Perianne]

Well, in fairness, I myself sure do start a shitload of Trump threads since he became my top candidate, but that's because just that, he's the guy I like. I won't speak to others starting threads.

Promote your candidate all day long, sir. I got tired of seeing anti-Trump threads. I posted a few anti-Rubio threads and got called out for it. And it was only about 1% compared to the anti-Trump threads. But everyone has the right to post whatever they like.

Besides, I love you, Jim, and that gives you a pass in my book to do whatever you wanna do. Except post anti-Perianne threads. :)

[indago]

From The New York Times 16 March 2016:
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Irate protesters have charged for years that police officers kill black people with impunity, but that anger yielded something new on Tuesday in the counties that include Chicago and Cleveland, where voters defeated the prosecutors they held partly responsible. In each place, one particular shooting in 2014, captured on video, galvanized attention, locally and nationally: the death in Chicago of Laquan McDonald, 17, and the killing in Cleveland of Tamir Rice, 12.

...In Democratic primaries on Tuesday, both veteran prosecutors were soundly defeated by lesser-known challengers. In each county, the campaign became a referendum on the incumbent, with some protesters stating plainly that they would vote for any viable alternative.

...Critics of law enforcement hope the results send a message to prosecutors...
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/17/us/angered-by-cities-handling-of-police-shootings-voters-oust-two-prosecutors.html?ref=todayspaper&_r=0)

[Abbey Marie]

Oh those nasty corrupt cops! Here's a plan: let's pull all police from neighborhoods where they are reviled. Y'all can police yourselves. And we can start with yours, Indago. Just think of the budget savings for our cities.

[revelarts]

Oh those nasty corrupt cops! Here's a plan: let's pull all police from neighborhoods where they are reviled. Y'all can police yourselves. And we can start with yours, Indago. Just think of the budget savings for our cities.

Here's a plan lets pull the corrupt abusive cops from the neighborhoods where they are reviled. Is that an option?
or is it that we all have to pretend that all cops are decent or you don't get any?

[Abbey Marie]

Here's a plan lets pull the corrupt abusive cops from the neighborhoods where they are reviled. Is that an option?
or is it that we all have to pretend that all cops are decent or you don't get any?

Try doing their job, with zero cooperation and your life on the line, and a President who telegraphs to the country that he thinks you suck. Then let me know what you think. And pulling them won't matter. There is an anti-cop attitude that is just getting worse all the time.

[Olivia]

It's no worse than the obsessive anti-Trump threads. But I get your point, aboutime.


Yes, God forbid anyone should post anti Trump threads. Christ.

[Black Diamond]

Try doing their job, with zero cooperation and your life on the line, and a President who telegraphs to the country that he thinks you suck. Then let me know what you think. And pulling them won't matter. There is an anti-cop attitude that is just getting worse all the time.
You racist.

[revelarts]

Try doing their job, with zero cooperation and your life on the line, and a President who telegraphs to the country that he thinks you suck. Then let me know what you think. And pulling them won't matter. There is an anti-cop attitude that is just getting worse all the time.

you didn't answer my question.

[Abbey Marie]

you didn't answer my question.


Yes, I did. Read again. It's in the last two sentences.

[Abbey Marie]

You racist.


https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_c9OhVVKuj2U-ng2-PUBX5Ygg6IeKALH7KXGe3IZOK04jn0dZ

[aboutime]

If rev would kindly let us know his location. I would take great joy in sharing his hatred, and that of another member, Indago, who constantly posts hatred for Police in a dedicated thread. Giving their Local Police forces a HEAD'S UP, as to taking their time in responding for any emergency.

I would also include the Local Fire Departments, and EMS services who also are dispatched via 911.

Then all of us will learn how it feels to be a FULL BLOWN hypocrite, liar, and filled with HATRED.

[revelarts]

Yes, I did. Read again. It's in the last two sentences.
you said it won't matter.
you didn't say if you were willing to do it.

and i'm not sure why you think it won't matter.
When it's already been shown in various areas that it does.
that "community policing" works and once neighborhoods see the cops as doing there jobs and interacting with the community and not just beating it's members down they DO get cooperation and respect.

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqWdlDABmvo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdctkaf1-tU

[revelarts]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_29TS6jjsA&ebc=ANyPxKr1dQ5rjw2nAAWjYBT_vdhM_-PBNItVI4EfBRyYX1VNHBISNDbUOqs7tAOlSAUGPok4j-sr2LnfhDaAWY8FXrRjTUNEAA

[revelarts]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pejPe3DjkcQ&ebc=ANyPxKr1dQ5rjw2nAAWjYBT_vdhM_-PBNItVI4EfBRyYX1VNHBISNDbUOqs7tAOlSAUGPok4j-sr2LnfhDaAWY8FXrRjTUNEAA

[indago]

If rev would kindly let us know his location. I would take great joy in sharing his hatred, and that of another member, Indago, who constantly posts hatred for Police in a dedicated thread. Giving their Local Police forces a HEAD'S UP, as to taking their time in responding for any emergency.

I would also include the Local Fire Departments, and EMS services who also are dispatched via 911.

Then all of us will learn how it feels to be a FULL BLOWN hypocrite, liar, and filled with HATRED.

Really galls ya, don't it...

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6eHzjEGQMo&ebc=ANyPxKonNNalIQPkjAw_cKncvzdtKelpFC_zu_gXwftLnP pK1nr7Dx9l0jS9vSk54ktlaZOCnjNf_GjqrqC1SDt64px7mu6d xg

[aboutime]

Really galls ya, don't it...


Not really. I've gotten used to expecting your hypocrisy here.

[indago]

Journalist Sharon Cohen wrote for The Associated Press 19 March 2016:
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In this city's troubled history of police misconduct, Eric Caine's case may be unrivaled: It took more than 25 years and $10 million to resolve. For decades, he maintained he didn't brutally kill an elderly couple. The police, he said, beat him into a false confession. Locked up at age 20, he was freed at 46, bewildered by a world he no longer recognized. Caine ultimately was declared innocent, sued the city and settled for $10 million. But victory brought little peace to his troubled mind.

...Caine is one of the more dramatic examples of huge police settlements that have tarnished the city in recent years. Among them: A one-time death row inmate brutally beaten by police: $6.1 million. An unarmed man fatally shot by an officer as he lay on the ground: $4.1 million. And last year, the family of Laquan McDonald, the black teenager shot 16 times by a white officer, received $5 million.

...In all, Chicago has paid a staggering sum — about $662 million — on police misconduct since 2004, including judgments, settlements and outside legal fees, according to city records. The payouts, for everything from petty harassment to police torture, have brought more financial misery to a city already drowning in billions of dollars of pension debt. The U.S. Justice Department's recent decision to investigate the Chicago police — fallout from the McDonald case — has helped focus new attention on this agonizing record of misconduct and the surprising lack of consequences. Few officers accused of wrongdoing have been disciplined in recent years.

..."police did reprehensible things" — including framing people, shooting them without justification and planting evidence — but he knows of no case where those officers were punished. "Not only was nobody disciplined, nobody was asked any questions," he says. "It was just back to work."

...Ronald Kitchen, who said he was beaten into confessing to several murders, spent 21 years in prison, 13 of them on death row while seven men were executed. "You keep thinking, 'Am I going to take this walk? Is that going to happen to me?'" he says. "It's not in the back of your mind - it's in the front." Kitchen, who was eventually exonerated, settled for $6.1 million from the city. "The money has been good ... but the pain is still there," he says.

..."You can give me money but you still can't get rid of this officer? It's not hate against the police department. It's hold accountable whoever commits the crimes."
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHICAGOS_PRICE_OF_MISCONDUCT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-03-19-13-20-03)

[revelarts]

Journalist Sharon Cohen wrote for The Associated Press 19 March 2016:
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In this city's troubled history of police misconduct, Eric Caine's case may be unrivaled: It took more than 25 years and $10 million to resolve. For decades, he maintained he didn't brutally kill an elderly couple. The police, he said, beat him into a false confession. Locked up at age 20, he was freed at 46, bewildered by a world he no longer recognized. Caine ultimately was declared innocent, sued the city and settled for $10 million. But victory brought little peace to his troubled mind.

...Caine is one of the more dramatic examples of huge police settlements that have tarnished the city in recent years. Among them: A one-time death row inmate brutally beaten by police: $6.1 million. An unarmed man fatally shot by an officer as he lay on the ground: $4.1 million. And last year, the family of Laquan McDonald, the black teenager shot 16 times by a white officer, received $5 million.

...In all, Chicago has paid a staggering sum — about $662 million — on police misconduct since 2004, including judgments, settlements and outside legal fees, according to city records. The payouts, for everything from petty harassment to police torture, have brought more financial misery to a city already drowning in billions of dollars of pension debt. The U.S. Justice Department's recent decision to investigate the Chicago police — fallout from the McDonald case — has helped focus new attention on this agonizing record of misconduct and the surprising lack of consequences. Few officers accused of wrongdoing have been disciplined in recent years.

..."police did reprehensible things" — including framing people, shooting them without justification and planting evidence — but he knows of no case where those officers were punished. "Not only was nobody disciplined, nobody was asked any questions," he says. "It was just back to work."

...Ronald Kitchen, who said he was beaten into confessing to several murders, spent 21 years in prison, 13 of them on death row while seven men were executed. "You keep thinking, 'Am I going to take this walk? Is that going to happen to me?'" he says. "It's not in the back of your mind - it's in the front." Kitchen, who was eventually exonerated, settled for $6.1 million from the city. "The money has been good ... but the pain is still there," he says.

..."You can give me money but you still can't get rid of this officer? It's not hate against the police department. It's hold accountable whoever commits the crimes."
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHICAGOS_PRICE_OF_MISCONDUCT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-03-19-13-20-03)


..."police did reprehensible things" — including framing people, shooting them without justification and planting evidence — but he knows of no case where those officers were punished. "Not only was nobody disciplined, nobody was asked any questions," he says. "It was just back to work."

this is the part that causes the trouble. . few expect the police to be perfect. But when police commit crime people want justice done. If it is Case closed great job.
But the fact that many police criminals just go back to work is what fuels the mistrust of the police. there may only be 5% to 25% of the police in a given city that are corrupt but the fact that the "GOOD" cops allow the bad ones to stay and cover for them make the whole system suspect. Creates mistrust for the whole group. so that when you're approached by a police officer you're not sure who you're talking to.
It's likely he's a great guy. A great guy that covers for or feels he can't to jack to stop Horrible crimes among his "brothers" but wants "civilians" to drive the speed limit and jump at his every command or else we're going to jail, and or be beaten or killed.

bad policing styles help few, bad cops help none.

[aboutime]

more ap reporting???

[indago]

more ap reporting???

When I read the article I thought of you, so I posted it here for you to slobber and foam-at-the-mouth over. You didn't disappoint...

[aboutime]

When I read the article I thought of you, so I posted it here for you to slobber and foam-at-the-mouth over. You didn't disappoint...


I saved the slobber for you. As for the foam. You can get a rabies shot if you like. Will the AP pay for your illnesses?

[aboutime]

http://youtu.be/ncRGoqNUb1w

[indago]

Anyone like to guess how Indago feels about this video???


How do YOU feel about "this video"?

[aboutime]

How do YOU feel about "this video"?


Distraction from actually answering the question is all you know how to do.

Never answer a question with a question. Stick to your hypocrisy.

[indago]

Distraction from actually answering the question is all you know how to do.

Never answer a question with a question. Stick to your hypocrisy.

Well, to me it looks like just another angry cop who can't control himself...

[indago]

From The Associated Press 20 March 2016:
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A retired state trooper killed a turnpike toll collector and a security guard in a holdup attempt at a toll plaza and then was shot dead by troopers while trying to escape with the money...

...Briggs, officials said, retired after 26 years with an honorable discharge, and there was no indication of the reason for his actions.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TURNPIKE_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-03-20-19-30-27)

[aboutime]

Well, to me it looks like just another angry cop who can't control himself...



Agree. It's almost as if he actually knew, and met you too! Telling the truth isn't what you want to hear. So you, as usual, just make another Obama-like excuse to distract from your hatred, and hypocrisy.

[indago]

Journalist Michael Balsamo wrote for The Associated Press 24 March 2016:
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A prosecutor says he'll ask a judge not to give jail time to a New York City police officer convicted of accidentally firing a stray shot into a public housing stairwell that killed an unarmed man, a recommendation that the victim's family says "diminishes" his death.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_STAIRWELL_SHOOTING_TRIAL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-03-24-01-34-21)

[indago]

Journalist Sean Murphy wrote for The Associated Press 7 March 2016:
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Seven women involved in the criminal case against a former Oklahoma City police officer convicted of sexually assaulting women while on duty have filed a lawsuit accusing the city and its police force of failing to properly monitor the officer.

The federal civil rights lawsuit also alleges the city didn't adequately test or train Daniel Holtzclaw and didn't adequately investigate allegations of police abuse. The suit says the plaintiffs are among at least 14 women who Holtzclaw "stalked, stopped, arrested, and physically and sexually assaulted."

Holtzclaw, 29, was sentenced to 263 years in prison after being convicted of rape, sexual battery and other charges in December.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OKLAHOMA_OFFICER_ASSAULTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-03-07-17-34-01)

I hope they win and collect BigBux, and the money is taken out of the police budget as a reminder of what happens when crimes are committed by the police and nothing is done about it at the time.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 25 March 2016:
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The March 17 confrontation involving postal worker Glenn Grays was captured on cellphone videos that have been widely shared. The videos show the officers telling Grays to stop resisting even though he does not appear to be resisting.

Grays said at a news conference this week he was delivering mail in Brooklyn when an unmarked police car nearly hit his mail truck. He said he shouted at the driver, and the officers backed the police car up and demanded identification.

Grays told The New York Times that the driver told him, "I have the right of way because I'm law enforcement."

Grays ended up handcuffed and placed in the back of the unmarked police car. He was then taken to the local precinct, where he was issued a summons for disorderly conduct, which will require him to appear in court.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POSTAL_WORKER_HANDCUFFED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-03-25-16-57-59)

And so, a mail truck was left in the street unattended...

"officers telling Grays to stop resisting even though he does not appear to be resisting"

They do this to cover their ass in case someone is watching. If they had shot him, they would have said he was "grabbing for my gun." It's almost a given anymore...

[indago]

From The Associated Press 27 March 2016:
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Missouri state police are investigating the jail death of a former sheriff's deputy who was facing federal and state charges of sexually abusing women and enticing a minor into prostitution. Marty Rainey was found dead Saturday morning in the Ste. Genevieve County jail, sheriff's Maj. Jason Schott told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (http://bit.ly/1VOUC06 ). The death of the 52-year-old Rainey, who lived in Sullivan and formerly worked as a deputy in Gasconade County in east-central Missouri, appears to be a suicide...

...Court documents allege Rainey would threaten or coerce women into having sex while he was on duty. A federal grand jury indicted Rainey on March 2 in St. Louis on a charge of enticement of a minor to engage in a commercial sex act and four counts of deprivation of rights under color of law.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FORMER_DEPUTY_SEX_CHARGES?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-03-27-13-15-14)


"You have to do what the police tell you to do"

[indago]

From The Associated Press 31 March 2016:
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The Chicago police union says it has hired as a janitor the officer charged with first-degree murder in the fatal shooting of a black teenager. Dean Angelo, president of the Fraternal Order of Police Chicago, says the union hired Jason Van Dyke about three weeks ago.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CHICAGO_POLICE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-03-31-07-31-04)

[indago]

Journalist Kristina Hernandez wrote for The Orange County Register 2 April 2016:
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The victim in the March 24 hostage incident that began at an Office Depot in Redlands was shot by responding officers, not by the man who took her captive... Garcia said Friday that the bullet came from a police officer’s gun, not from Mike’s, which had jammed. Eleven officers fired a total of 25 rounds, he said.
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article (http://www.ocregister.com/articles/bauer-710590-mike-police.html)

[indago]

From NBC News 1 April 2016:
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Jarring videos showing the moments when an Albuquerque police officer was shot several times by his own lieutenant during an undercover operation were released Thursday, following the settlement of a lawsuit that awarded the wounded officer $6.5 million.

"I didn't know it was you!" says Albuquerque Police Department Lt. Greg Brachle moments after putting at least eight bullets into APD Officer Jacob Grant in January 2015.

Video from Brachle's lapel shows him running up to a vehicle that Grant was sitting in with suspects and yelling "gun," then promptly firing his weapon.

"Oh s---, that was Jacob! F--- me!" Brachle is heard saying. "Are you OK?" Brachle asks Grant. "No," Grant answers.
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article/video (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/albuquerque-police-release-video-showing-officer-shooting-undercover-cop-n549461)

[indago]

From The Associated Press 25 March 2016:
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The March 17 confrontation involving postal worker Glenn Grays was captured on cellphone videos that have been widely shared. The videos show the officers telling Grays to stop resisting even though he does not appear to be resisting.

Grays said at a news conference this week he was delivering mail in Brooklyn when an unmarked police car nearly hit his mail truck. He said he shouted at the driver, and the officers backed the police car up and demanded identification.

Grays told The New York Times that the driver told him, "I have the right of way because I'm law enforcement."

Grays ended up handcuffed and placed in the back of the unmarked police car. He was then taken to the local precinct, where he was issued a summons for disorderly conduct, which will require him to appear in court.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POSTAL_WORKER_HANDCUFFED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-03-25-16-57-59)

And so, a mail truck was left in the street unattended...

"officers telling Grays to stop resisting even though he does not appear to be resisting"

They do this to cover their ass in case someone is watching. If they had shot him, they would have said he was "grabbing for my gun." It's almost a given anymore...


Journalist Ashley Southall wrote for The New York Times 1 April 2016:
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A lieutenant with the New York Police Department who oversaw the arrest of an on-duty mail carrier in Brooklyn has been stripped of his gun and badge and placed on administrative duty. ...The Postal Service’s office of inspector general is investigating whether any federal laws were violated.
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/02/nyregion/police-officer-in-mail-carriers-arrest-is-stripped-of-his-badge.html?ref=todayspaper)

[indago]

Police officers protecting dog as it runs across bay bridge.

article (http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_29720237/chp-officers-chase-small-dog-running-bay-bridge)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD_Awpc8SFI

[Elessar]

Police officers protecting dog as it runs across bay bridge.

article (http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_29720237/chp-officers-chase-small-dog-running-bay-bridge)


That is so cool! Driving that bridge can be a nightmare at times.
Cops have a heart..

Thanks, indago.

[indago]

That is so cool! Driving that bridge can be a nightmare at times.
Cops have a heart..

Thanks, @indago (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=3381).

They call the li'l dog CHiPs

[indago]

Journalist Mitch Smith wrote for The New York Times 11 April 2016:
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CHICAGO — This city moved Monday toward paying more than $6 million in settlements to the families of two men who died after being taken into police custody, frustrating City Council members who said such cases showed the need for urgent changes to police training and discipline.

“We come here settlement after settlement after settlement, and we never hear termination,” said Alderman Anthony A. Beale, who represents part of the South Side.

“We’re spinning our wheels here. We need to start firing some of these people.”
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article (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/12/us/chicago-set-to-pay-6-million-in-deaths-of-2-men-after-arrests.html?_r=0)

Well, no shit! What an epiphany!

[indago]

From Fox News 22 April 2016:
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Dashcam video and audio released earlier this month show deputies debating whether to rescue three teenage girls from a stolen car as it was sinking in a Florida pond.

All three of the girls drowned. At one point, a deputy shouts, "I hear them yelling, I think"
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article (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/22/dashcam-video-shows-fla-deputies-debating-whether-to-rescue-girls-from-stolen-car-in-pond.html)


For aboutime: "The Associated Press contributed to this report."

[Elessar]

From Fox News 22 April 2016:
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Dashcam video and audio released earlier this month show deputies debating whether to rescue three teenage girls from a stolen car as it was sinking in a Florida pond.

All three of the girls drowned. At one point, a deputy shouts, "I hear them yelling, I think"
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article (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/22/dashcam-video-shows-fla-deputies-debating-whether-to-rescue-girls-from-stolen-car-in-pond.html)


For aboutime: "The Associated Press contributed to this report."

Hey....those three chose to steal a car (past history of it, too) and
run from the law. They put themselves in that situation.

As far as the deputies? Something called Risk Management,
no sense in endangering yourself over an idiot.

[Elessar]

Here....

Better example of the vast majority of LE folks:

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?54873-One-Cool-Cop

[indago]

Here....

Better example of the vast majority of LE folks:

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?54873-One-Cool-Cop

Yes

[indago]

From Fox News 22 April 2016:
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Dashcam video and audio released earlier this month show deputies debating whether to rescue three teenage girls from a stolen car as it was sinking in a Florida pond.

All three of the girls drowned. At one point, a deputy shouts, "I hear them yelling, I think"
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article (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/22/dashcam-video-shows-fla-deputies-debating-whether-to-rescue-girls-from-stolen-car-in-pond.html)


For aboutime: "The Associated Press contributed to this report."

From The Associated Press 22 April 2016:
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Police on Florida's Gulf Coast are denying accusations that officers didn't do enough to rescue three teenagers who stole a car, crashed it into a cemetery pond and then drowned. ...Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said the footage was misleadingly edited to omit several moments from the original.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FLEEING_CAR_POND_DEATHS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-04-22-17-56-29)

[indago]

Michael Pearson reported for CNN 25 April 2016:
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The city of Cleveland will pay $6 million to settle the federal lawsuit filed by the family of Tamir Rice, the 12-year-old boy killed by police gunfire in November 2014, according to a settlement announced Monday in U.S. District Court. ...the city said Tamir was at fault and maintained the city was entitled to immunity under state and federal law. The city later apologized for the wording in its response, calling it hurtful and disrespectful.
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report/video (http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/25/us/tamir-rice-settlement/)

[indago]

Journalist Paul Elias wrote for The Associated Press 30 April 2016:
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SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF RELEASES RACIST TEXTS, ORDERS TRAINING — San Francisco's police chief said Friday that he has ordered that all officers finish an anti-harassment class within the next month amid a racist texting scandal that has rocked the department...
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SAN_FRANCISCO_RACIST_TEXTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-04-30-03-53-12)

People are going to continue to not like what they don't like, and no amount of "training" will change that...

[indago]

From The Associated Press 4 May 2016:
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Sgt. Jesse Salame said 47-year-old Juan Ruiz-Carrillo was arrested Monday night and charged with sexually assaulting a child. ...An arrest warrant affidavit says Ruiz-Carrillo is suspected of assaulting the girl nearly every week, starting when she was 15.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_POLICE_SEXUAL_ASSAULT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-05-04-03-23-31)

[indago]

From The Associated Press 5 May 2016:
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News outlets report that according to Plantation police, detective Peter Saglio used his personal iPod in March 2015 to have text conversations with the victim of a possible crime, then sent her a 26-second video of himself engaging in a sex act. ...The victim told police Saglio had sent her flirtatious text messages before the video.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DETECTIVE_FIRED_FLORIDA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-05-05-06-52-54)

Give them a gun and a badge and they they think they can do anything they want to and get away with it...

"You have to do what the police tell you to do"

[aboutime]

From this date forward, here in this thread full of your hatred for authority figures.

I promise to read every NEGATIVE post you make, and I will INSERT your name as a replacement for every LEO, or person in Uniform whom YOU report on negatively, via AP.

So...enjoy being the NAMED topic of each cut & paste post you make from now on.

[indago]

From The Associated Press 5 May 2016:
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Suffolk Commonwealth's Attorney C. Phillips Ferguson released a report Thursday, saying an investigation showed Officer James Babor's use of deadly force against 28-year-old Corey Achstein was reasonable based on several factors... "In short, based on all the facts, evidence, and established law, I find that Officer (James) Babor's use of deadly force was justified and does not constitute criminal misconduct," Ferguson wrote. "Therefore, this office declines to prosecute any charges against Officer Babor."
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OFFICER_SHOOTING_VIRGINIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-05-05-17-49-24)

[indago]

Journalist Claudia Lauer wrote for The Associated Press 6 May 2016:
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Little Rock settled a lawsuit Friday with relatives of a 67-year-old black man who was killed after a struggle with two white, off-duty police officers who entered his home without a warrant in 2010, marking what the family's attorney said was a record settlement of about $1.5 million. ...The suit alleged that Officer Donna Lesher and Detective Tabitha McCrillis unlawfully entered Ellison's home while the two officers were working as private security guards on Dec. 9, 2010. The suit argued that Lesher improperly used deadly force following an argument and scuffle.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_KILLINGS_BY_POLICE_LITTLE_ROCK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-05-06-19-08-44)

[aboutime]

Looks like indago is one of those perpetual, whiners, and racists who is still waiting for OBAMA to give REPARATIONS to all Black Americans because......they have the same skin color as the SLAVES in the 1800's America.

Of course, indago, and Obama share the same MISERABLE lifestyle as ETERNAL VICTIMS of their own IGNORANCE.

[revelarts]

http://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/481479/after-personal-tragedy-a-sheriff-questions-his-own-police-force/

"This excerpt from the documentary Peace Officer (http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/films/peace-officer/) centers around William J. “Dub” Lawrence, a former sheriff who established and trained Utah’s first SWAT team, he says, with “noble intent.” Thirty years later, Lawrence is victimized by the the same unit when SWAT officers kill his son-in-law, and he’s left with questions about the dangers of increased militarization of police. The full film will air on PBS on Monday, May 9, 2016, as a part of ARMED IN AMERICA (http://www.pbs.org/armed-in-america/coming-soon/), a special two-night television event exploring America’s rising gun violence. For more information about the film, visit the Independent Lens website (http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/blog/pbs-to-present-armed-in-america-town-halls-a-special-two-night-event-after-independent-lens/). Peace Officer will also be streaming online until May 22, 2016 (http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/watch-video/)."

Below this Former Sheriff gives THE BEST short definition of what a police officer should be that i've ever heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHsvRGF4As0&feature=youtu.be


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKMGIjI7hAA

[indago]

Reminds me...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHwge8PVgYo

[indago]

From The Associated Press 10 May 2016:
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The founder of a national police union has been convicted in New Jersey of stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars in union funds for his personal use. Federal prosecutors say Assane Faye was found guilty Tuesday on two counts of embezzlement. He also was convicted on seven counts of mail fraud arising from unemployment insurance fraud.

...February 2010, he hired a woman with whom he had a prior romantic relationship. The woman purportedly served as a union organizer in New York. But prosecutors say she had limited ability to communicate in English, lacked labor organizing experience and didn't own a vehicle.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_UNION_LEADER_EMBEZZLEMENT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-05-10-19-35-44)

Now, whoever would have thought such a thing would happen...

[indago]

From The Associated Press 13 May 2016:
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The White House says three Santa Monica police officers will receive the Public Safety Officer Medal of Valor for their response to a 2013 rampage on a community college campus that left five people dead. ...In June, 2013 the three officers confronted the 23-year-old gunman John Zawahri in the campus library and shot and killed him when he pointed his assault weapon at them.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_COLLEGE_SHOOTING_MEDAL_OF_VALOR?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-05-13-17-26-36)

[indago]

Cop untangles gosling


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-GwSgsFRYNE

[Atticus Finch]

I thought I left all the cop haters at my other site...like someone said before,there are far more good cops than those few who have Nwe York values..

[indago]

From The Associated Press 19 May 2016:
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A former New York City police officer accused of faking a mental disability to get more than $200,000 in Social Security benefits has been convicted of grand larceny. ...More than 100 officers and firefighters have pleaded guilty in the scheme, including four ringleaders who've said they helped them fake post-traumatic stress symptoms.
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DISABILITY_FRAUD_CASE_CONSULTANTS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-05-19-02-50-14)

[indago]

Journalist Phillip Lucas wrote for The Associated Press 13 May 2016:
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A judge has dismissed state charges against a north Alabama police officer accused of assaulting an Indian man during a suspicious person investigation. ...Patel's attorney, Hank Sherrod, called the state's decision to drop the case against Parker troubling.

"Instead of doing what lawyers do and using the transcripts from the failed federal criminal prosecution to craft a winning strategy to get justice for Mr. Patel, the Alabama Attorney General and the lawyers under his supervision have used those transcripts as an excuse not to do their job," Sherrod said in a statement. "This decision illustrates how difficult it is to hold law enforcement officers accountable under the criminal laws for brutal acts that would send an ordinary citizen to jail."
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ALABAMA_POLICE_CONFRONTATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-05-13-16-50-11)

[indago]

Journalist Michael Rubinkam wrote for The Associated Press 19 May 2016:
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A Pennsylvania police officer lied about the reason behind a traffic stop, then smashed the motorist's cellphone and punched her in the face after pulling her over without sufficient cause, prosecutors said. ...The officer claimed in a police report that he pulled over Marcelina Cintron-Garcia, 30, for failing to use a turn signal. Investigators later reviewed surveillance video that showed her right front turn signal was on, according to a police affidavit.

...After the stop, an argument ensued, and Cintron-Garcia began recording the encounter with her cellphone. ...After the officer smashed the phone onto the sidewalk, she struck him with her left hand, and he punched her in the face and threw her down, court papers said. Her head struck a pipe, opening a gash that required three staples.

Prosecutors said the officer's false claim that she did not use a turn signal prompted another officer to wrongly charge her with a traffic violation. That charge, and other charges against Cintron-Garcia that included aggravated assault, were withdrawn after she filed a complaint and prosecutors launched an investigation, the Reading Eagle newspaper reported.

..."The integrity of the criminal justice system is in jeopardy when a police officer fabricates information"
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article (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OFFICER_CELLPHONE_RECORDING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-05-19-18-50-52)

[aboutime]

Poor indago. Trying to convince everybody he doesn't hate Police Officers by inserting the occasional TOKEN semi-nice story....then SMEARING MORE HATRED to solve his Miserable, Terrible Life of Stupidity, and Hatred.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

When cops are caught dead to right breaking laws and abusing their authority they should beheld accountable.
Why would anybody go about saying all criminals should be brought to justice yet when its a cop caught and proven guilty
the same person tries to tar and feather the victim or the entity/person exposing the dirty cop..
IT IS ILLOGICAL AND HYPOCRISY TO BOOT IN MY OPINION, TO CASTIGATE THE MESSENGERS.

DIRTY COPS ABOVE ALL OTHERS SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND YES I 'VE BEEN A VICTIM AT LEAST TWICE OF SUCH CRAP.

And do not try to tell me I am lying about that as its a damn fact...

I'd beat either one of those bastards to death if I could get by with it and those miscarriages of justice were all over 30 years ago.

A man does not EVER forget being ffked over like that!!!

FURTHERMORE I'VE SEEN OVER A DOZEN OTHER PEOPLE DONE THAT WAY AND SOME EVEN WORSE . :mad::mad::mad:

[Elessar]

You always pick out the rare and the few Indago.

What have YOU got to hide? Scared of L.E.? What are you hiding?

There are far more good Cops out there than your Cut 'n Paste shit reflects.

Who do you think you are fooling?

[indago]

You always pick out the rare and the few Indago.

What have YOU got to hide? Scared of L.E.? What are you hiding?

There are far more good Cops out there than your Cut 'n Paste shit reflects.

Who do you think you are fooling?

You must be one of those progressive Democrats, arguing for inclusion...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

You always pick out the rare and the few Indago.

What have YOU got to hide? Scared of L.E.? What are you hiding?

There are far more good Cops out there than your Cut 'n Paste shit reflects.

Who do you think you are fooling?

True, there are far more good cops than bad...
A truth that I freely admit.
Which is all the more reason that the bad cops need to be exposed and weeded out IMHO.
I DO NOT HATE ALL COPS- HOWEVER, I DO DEARLY HATE BAD COPS........--TYR

[indago]

Erin Baldassari reported for East Bay Times 21 May 2016:
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BART agreed earlier this month to pay a San Francisco woman $1.35 million to settle a lawsuit alleging excessive police force.

BART, in a statement, accepted full responsibility for the injuries Megan Sheehan suffered after an officer slammed her face-first into the floor. The impact broke the bones in her face and smashed her teeth into her jaw, said Sheehan's lawyer, Lizabeth de Vries.
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article/video (http://www.eastbaytimes.com/breaking-news/ci_29920548/bart-settles-1-35-million-excessive-force-case)


Rather disturbing video. And the "$1.35 million" settlement should come out of the BART budget.

[revelarts]

"Texas cop caught on video punching pregnant Air Force Veteran"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJuKlQF0meg

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/04/texas-cop-caught-on-video-punching-air-force-veteran-after-she-says-shes-pregnant/



...sheriff’s deputy in Hunts County, Texas, is under investigation after being caught on video hitting a 38-year-old woman who loudly told him she was pregnant, the Dallas Observer reported. (http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2015/04/hunt_county_sheriff_will_invesitgate_an_internet_a llegation_after_officer_is_filmed_punching_pregnan .php)The footage shows Deanna Jo Robinson, an Air Force veteran, being restrained from behind by the unidentified officer and another deputy during a March 4 incident at her parents’ home, where she said sheriff’s officials forced their way in without a warrant to take her 18-month-old son on orders of Child Protective Services (CPS).
The video, taken from a surveillance camera inside the home, cuts out after the officer raises his hand to hit her again. Robinson, who said she was struck four or five times, can be heard saying several times that she is pregnant.
“I’m 38 weeks pregnant, and with my stomach again repeatedly pressed into that counter, and with my 18-month old son watching his mother be assaulted, and him screaming in fear,” she told WFAA-TV this week. (http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crime/2015/04/06/hunt-co-investigating-video-allegedly-showing-woman-being-punched-by-deputies/25360957/) “There’s nothing that warrants what they did to me.”
Robinson spent six days in county jail after being arrested and charged with assault on a public servant, resisting arrest and interference with child custody. She said she took the boy with her to her parents’ house after getting into a shoving match with her husband several days earlier...

[aboutime]

You must be one of those progressive Democrats, arguing for inclusion...


indago. WHO would want to be JUST LIKE YOU? We all know you are as progressive, and hate filled as anyone connected to Obama, Hillary, or the DNC who pretends to miss-speak...ON PURPOSE...like you.

[Elessar]

For you cop haters out there:

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/06/02/girl-asks-officers-to-pray-with-her-before-lunch/21388446/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl16%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D-1608100182_htmlws-main-bb

[revelarts]

I guess "Lovers of Justice" is to difficult a concept to understand.
and i guess the bulk of the thread is addressed to those who are police LOVERS no matter what police do, right?

Seriously? Can we ONLY label people as Lovers or Haters of Police when talking about police issues? I have to say I think that's a piss poor way to look at it.

It's funny that NO one responded to any of the 3 or 4 post i made a while back about community policing WORKING. And the many cops giving speeches that they have RETHOUGHT the way they should be doing business in general. That the 'us vs them' mentality is NOT the best way to police.
They are not military and should not have a military posture, but a PUBLIC SERVICE posture. with VIOLENCE as a LAST resort.


A lot of what been posted in this thread is strait up police corruption small and large. But some of it has been about obviously POOR training . Where for example Cops find a person who's "unresponsive" to their commands and then go about to give what they consider a right and proper beat down. Only to discover the "PERPS" are DEAF, Handicapped, Mentally ill or handicapped, or even having a stroke or heart attack.

It's not "HATE" of police to says "THEY SHOULD BE TRAINED BETTER!". and say it strongly.

anyway... seems to me people should take the issues brought up here more seriously and not just make defensive claims when real IMPROVEMENT CAN be made.
I don't think anyone here thinks that police are PERFECT. So is it wrong to ask others to join in trying to make police even BETTER. And deal more JUSTLY with EVERYONE in all communities?


end rant #97 on this issues.

[revelarts]

A good cop refuses to ticket man, instead pays for his daughter’s safety Seat (5 Photos) (http://thechive.com/2016/04/26/a-good-cop-refuses-to-ticket-man-instead-pays-for-his-daughters-safety-5-photos/)

http://thechive.com/2016/04/26/a-good-cop-refuses-to-ticket-man-instead-pays-for-his-daughters-safety-5-photos/

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/bd/43/13/bd431396cb56c95ba3a256cf2a946057.jpg

[revelarts]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/1f/72/fa/1f72fa5fcd799eb0cf5da5b25ef48b9e.jpg

[revelarts]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/b3/95/9f/b3959f6eced54d02b84a7a986ebb8842.jpg


support the good by removing the bad so citizens no longer have to wonder about the uniform!

[Elessar]

Officer Breaks Car Window, saves tiny Puppy:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/06/30/puppy-saved-hot-car-florida-police

[aboutime]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/b3/95/9f/b3959f6eced54d02b84a7a986ebb8842.jpg


support the good by removing the bad so citizens no longer have to wonder about the uniform!


Great in theory. But would you like to tell us WHO decides WHO is the bad?

Walk down any street in America, and decide WHO you should avoid, and WHO you can trust???

[revelarts]

Great in theory. But would you like to tell us WHO decides WHO is the bad?

Walk down any street in America, and decide WHO you should avoid, and WHO you can trust???


It's not about PRE-judging.
it's about about looking at the record and praising and encouraging the good behavior and good policies. And also seeing and admitting the bad policy and bad actors and improving, punishing and or removing them.

It's not about pretending ALL cops and police procedures are 99.9% good.
and giving every police action 150% of the doubt.
Or assuming the worse of every cop.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHsvRGF4As0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdctkaf1-tU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_29TS6jjsA

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pejPe3DjkcQ

[revelarts]

http://orig05.deviantart.net/0d4d/f/2014/120/5/e/because_my_truck_smells_like_a_doughnut__by_mataki ethehedgewolf-d7gmenp.jpg

[Elessar]

I guess "Lovers of Justice" is to difficult a concept to understand.
and i guess the bulk of the thread is addressed to those who are police LOVERS no matter what police do, right?

Seriously? Can we ONLY label people as Lovers or Haters of Police when talking about police issues? I have to say I think that's a piss poor way to look at it.



There is no problem with "Lover of Justice". That is where you are blind as hell.
There are bad cops...just as there are bad citizens and bad military members.
I have encountered several bad cops but those make up a very small percentage of them on the whole.
They are human beings just like the rest of us, and reach a breaking point at times due to stress.

My argument about this thread is cutting and pasting some "Example" without any comment from
the poster at all. It just becomes a bulletin board of individual prejudice.

That gif.↑above might be silly, but demonstrates an idiotic prejudice as well.

They cannot sit down in a cafe and leisurely snarf down a meal. So doughnuts and coffee on the fly have to suffice.
I missed many a meal because I was either physically on a case or controlling it in a Command Center.

[aboutime]

I AM STILL WAITING.....for the day when rev, and the other cop haters here...start being honest with the rest of us about their hatred, that far exceeds any kind of admiration for police officers in general.

[Elessar]

Kansas Cops pull a puppy from a sweltering vehicle. Cop haters...who says these
folks don't have a heart or care:

http://www.autoblog.com/2016/07/12/kansas-cops-save-puppy-from-sweltering-car/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl6%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D-626059977_htmlws-main-bb

[revelarts]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/31/a4/c3/31a4c38554fb583d1bcd7280e2d57bf1.jpg

[revelarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuA3n4JHos8

[aboutime]

Still waiting for rev, and his cohorts to admit...they actually HATE anyone who represents LAW & ORDER.
Posting the occasional Positive photo, or remarks as an appeasement JUST DOESN'T HIDE the Hatred.

[Gunny]

Still waiting for rev, and his cohorts to admit...they actually HATE anyone who represents LAW & ORDER.
Posting the occasional Positive photo, or remarks as an appeasement JUST DOESN'T HIDE the Hatred.


I honestly don't know what the deal is with you and rev, but you have to admit, the Dunkin Donuts pic is funny as Hell. :laugh2:

I honestly rarely look at this thread. It's just a cut and paste hate-a-thon.

[Elessar]

I honestly don't know what the deal is with you and rev, but you have to admit, the Dunkin Donuts pic is funny as Hell. :laugh2:

I honestly rarely look at this thread. It's just a cut and paste hate-a-thon.

It pisses me off. I recognize there are bad cops just like bad citizens. I am not that one-way.
But got to wonder if ANY of these anti-cop critics ever asked for a ride-along to see what the
cops have to put up with. Many Police Departments encourage that, except Highway Patrols
and Sheriffs because their response area is so huge.

None would have the stones to go to a police academy, put on a badge, and put their life in
danger 24 hours a day. Cuddled up in the comfy bed every night is more appealing rather
than wonder if they will get home after a shift.

[aboutime]

I honestly don't know what the deal is with you and rev, but you have to admit, the Dunkin Donuts pic is funny as Hell. :laugh2:

I honestly rarely look at this thread. It's just a cut and paste hate-a-thon.


Gunny. I thought it was funny too! The deal with rev...from me is. Hypocrisy rules, and I get the impression...whenever rev posts something positive (rarely) about the Police. I envision rev, typing the words with one hand, while the other is behind his back, with the FINGERS CROSSED.

[Gunny]

It pisses me off. I recognize there are bad cops just like bad citizens. I am not that one-way.
But got to wonder if ANY of these anti-cop critics ever asked for a ride-along to see what the
cops have to put up with. Many Police Departments encourage that, except Highway Patrols
and Sheriffs because their response area is so huge.

None would have the stones to go to a police academy, put on a badge, and put their life in
danger 24 hours a day. Cuddled up in the comfy bed every night is more appealing rather
than wonder if they will get home after a shift.

I had the option to become a Bexar County Sheriff when I retired. I said no thanks. Wasn't a lack of stones. If wanted to never be home I could have stayed in the Corps. And I think I'd have made a lousy cop. They're always on defense. I'm trained to be aggressive and move offensively.

But I get your gist. Put on a uniform THEN talk your crap.

[Gunny]

Gunny. I thought it was funny too! The deal with rev...from me is. Hypocrisy rules, and I get the impression...whenever rev posts something positive (rarely) about the Police. I envision rev, typing the words with one hand, while the other is behind his back, with the FINGERS CROSSED.

Speaking of being a "cop". Note who hasn't been here since Jim made me a mod. All I do is sit here and look for spammers. You'd think with some people I got turned into the Hulk. :laugh:

I don't do crap to anyone. Unless I'm interested in a topic. I don't pay a whole lot of attention to regular users. I'm still the same good ol' boy I ever was, for good or bad. If Jim's got the mojo to turn me into the Hulk jimnyc fix my leg dammit. :laugh:

[Elessar]

I had the option to become a Bexar County Sheriff when I retired. I said no thanks. Wasn't a lack of stones. If wanted to never be home I could have stayed in the Corps. And I think I'd have made a lousy cop. They're always on defense. I'm trained to be aggressive and move offensively.

But I get your gist. Put on a uniform THEN talk your crap.

One word: Thanks!:beer:

[Elessar]

Speaking of being a "cop". Note who hasn't been here since Jim made me a mod. All I do is sit here and look for spammers. You'd think with some people I got turned into the Hulk. :laugh:

I don't do crap to anyone. Unless I'm interested in a topic. I don't pay a whole lot of attention to regular users. I'm still the same good ol' boy I ever was, for good or bad. If Jim's got the mojo to turn me into the Hulk @jimnyc (http://www.debatepolicy.com/member.php?u=1) fix my leg dammit. :laugh:

I have noted at least one, but will not put the name out in open unless he
has participated in this thread. That's just fair.

[Gunny]

I have noted at least one, but will not put the name out in open unless he
has participated in this thread. That's just fair.

The names don't matter. I'm still just me. The sensitive and delusional can't handle me. Been a problem most of my life. I just roll with it. But I WILL call it what it is.

Logic: this is dumb board to bitch about service when half the contributing members are vets when the person doing the bitching never served.

[revelarts]

I honestly don't know what the deal is with you and rev,
but you have to admit, the Dunkin Donuts pic is funny as Hell. :laugh2:
.

I thought it was funny too. And not a mean joke at all.

As far as Aboutime goes, if you notice I've haven't replied to him in long time. it's like he's my personal hater.
Like someone who buys tickets to a performers show just so he can boo and heckle. i aint got time of that. I see his heckles and move on.

the weird thing is he can make time to come on the board and question my sincerity when i post thanks, positive police stories, ways police are doing better, how they CAN and have improved in various locals.
While ... i may be wrong but i don't think so... he hasn't posted ANY positive police stories at all! not one!
He just comes on the thread to B**** about indigo and me.


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[revelarts]

It pisses me off. I recognize there are bad cops just like bad citizens. I am not that one-way.
But got to wonder if ANY of these anti-cop critics ever asked for a ride-along to see what the
cops have to put up with. Many Police Departments encourage that, except Highway Patrols
and Sheriffs because their response area is so huge.

None would have the stones to go to a police academy, put on a badge, and put their life in
danger 24 hours a day. Cuddled up in the comfy bed every night is more appealing rather
than wonder if they will get home after a shift.


It amazes me that when you guys get really frustrated you go to the ..
"pick up a weapon and stand on the wall" reply.

the thing that's weird about it here is you say your all such tough guys but you can't seem to take much verbal criticism.
whats up with that?
if someone says Hey I know most of you guys are cool and you're doing a great job.
but it seems that maybe there are some aspects of the job that could be changed and do you mind pointing out the bad apples and getting rid of them.

But you act like someone took a swing at you in the head with a baseball bat. Like they hate your guts and have NOTHING good to say about you and that the praise is insincere if it's NOT all praise all the time 24/7 365. Anything less than Praise and THANKS is "HATE" or full on "ANTI-Police"
That seem a bit LESS than tough guy, seem an oversensitive reaction to me Elessar.


my issue ...as i've said before and it's been ignored or UNBELIEVED.... is they Like Doctors and Preachers policing is an honorable and difficult profession. And it's WORSE when cops abuse their powers. And over the past few decades BAD cops and policing has been given a pass or ignored BECAUSE of the VERY HIGH regard people have for police in general.
Frankly part of MY purpose here is to present police... as you say... as regular people not superHeroes that should never be questioned.
But people that have a high calling and need support as well as oversight. Because the are making life and death decisions. maybe an OUTSIDE eye can be of help from time to time. Is that possible?

If that's wrong in your eye's hey sorry no offensive but i ask you to read my positive post as well not just be mad at ME for posting cops that have killed or abused their post .
I wish there was half the anger at them for bringing the profession down and making the good guys look bad as there seems to be at me for pointing them out.

[Gunny]

It amazes me that when you guys get really frustrated you go to the ..
"pick up a weapon and stand on the wall" reply.

the thing that's weird about it here is you say your all such tough guys but you can't seem to take much verbal criticism.
whats up with that?
if someone says Hey I know most of you guys are cool and you're doing a great job.
but it seems that maybe there are some aspects of the job that could be changed and do you mind pointing out the bad apples and getting rid of them.

But you act like someone took a swing at you in the head with a baseball bat. Like they hate your guts and have NOTHING good to say about you and that the praise is insincere if it's NOT all praise all the time 24/7 365. Anything less than Praise and THANKS is "HATE" or full on "ANTI-Police"
That seem a bit LESS than tough guy, seem an oversensitive reaction to me Elessar.


my issue ...as i've said before and it's been ignored or UNBELIEVED.... is they Like Doctors and Preachers policing is an honorable and difficult profession. And it's WORSE when cops abuse their powers. And over the past few decades BAD cops and policing has been given a pass or ignored BECAUSE of the VERY HIGH regard people have for police in general.
Frankly part of MY purpose here is to present police... as you say... as regular people not superHeroes that should never be questioned.
But people that have a high calling and need support as well as oversight. Because the are making life and death decisions. maybe an OUTSIDE eye can be of help from time to time. Is that possible?

If that's wrong in your eye's hey sorry no offensive but i ask you to read my positive post as well not just be mad at ME for posting cops that have killed or abused their post .
I wish there was half the anger at them for bringing the profession down and making the good guys look bad as there seems to be at me for pointing them out.

Got news for you, Rev, you have NO idea what taking verbal criticism is. Try doing it at the position of attention. And I don't know about you, but I don't go on political message boards to hold hands.

There's no fresh set of eyes when you haven't been there. You know what they call a fresh set of eyes in the Marines? Private among other things. Shut up, watch and learn and you might live. Nothing like having to make a decision in a second. There's no time to drop into your easy chair with a slide rule and figure out the probabilities.

And to be clear, I am no fan of cops. I've said that more than twice. Me n them didn't get along back in the 70s. However, they have a job to do and I understand the job. Elessar is quite correct though. You want to judge all for the actions of a few.

Remember Abu Ghraib? You know how much BS the vets and myself had to listen to over THAT crap? It was neverending. We ALL were responsible. The fact is the majority go about doing their jobs. I catch you pulling some illegal crap and you're going before a court martial. We don't tolerate that kind of crap.

This thread is nothing but 20 pages of negativity towards police and paints a one-sided picture. I'll tell you right if my choice is shoot or don't see momma and kids again? Finger's on the trigger.

[revelarts]

Got news for you, Rev, you have NO idea what taking verbal criticism is. Try doing it at the position of attention. ...

and there we go again.
no body knows nuthin but Gunny and Elesar.
everyone else should STHU and listen.

Can't take criticism even if it's pointed to FROM OTHER POLICE.
won't acknowledge praise unless it 24/7 say THANKS! and STHU .

sorry not going to happen.

[Gunny]

and there we go again.
no body knows nuthin but Gunny and Elesar.
everyone else should STHU and listen.

Can't take criticism even if it's pointed to FROM OTHER POLICE.
won't acknowledge praise unless it 24/7 say THANKS! and STHU .

sorry not going to happen.

Do I come tell you how to do your job, or what it's like? I do not. You put me in an office and I'm screwed. I know how to read paper files, organize the supply locker and I type with first two fingers of each hand.

So it isn't "nobody knows nothing but Gunny and Elessar." It's we know OUR sh*t. Been there, done that, and even still got a couple of the unit t shirts left.

When you listen you learn. When you're busy thinking about what you're going to say next you can't hear.

As far as aboutime goes, between you and him. Maybe you can tell him how to run a comm center. :rolleyes: Lighten up. He's just being him. You ain't exactly a peach.

[jimnyc]

You guys read my other thread? Instead of focusing on the police, and bad shootings or bad things they do, the other thread is simply about Detroit and Chicago. Instead of the police, that thread is about shootings of civilians towards one another, and unfortunate deaths. No blame to be placed of course - but rather pointing out where and how many black lives have been killed. The thread is like 4,000 pages long. It's ignored here just as it is in real life.

[Abbey Marie]

You guys read my other thread? Instead of focusing on the police, and bad shootings or bad things they do, the other thread is simply about Detroit and Chicago. Instead of the police, that thread is about shootings of civilians towards one another, and unfortunate deaths. No blame to be placed of course - but rather pointing out where and how many black lives have been killed. The thread is like 4,000 pages long. It's ignored here just as it is in real life.


Lol, point taken! Can you give me a link?

[jimnyc]

Lol, point taken! Can you give me a link?

It was so out of hand that the thread got so large and it exploded.

Seriously of course, if I did in fact have such a thread, and I were to make a single post for each and every time a black person were killed in either place due to guns or whatever- that thread would be much longer than this one. And it's just 2 areas, compared to this one which is the entire nation. I still don't understand why many in the nation want to focus in singular subjects, and "lives" in general, and ignore those places.

Lives are lives. And I get that the police shootings and those shootings are 2 different things. But it's almost as if they really are ignored. One shooting can take up the news for a month straight and cause all kinds of issues from protests to riots. But you can have 25 people killed during that same period, from Detroit/Chicago, and maybe not even be aware of it.

[revelarts]

Do I come tell you how to do your job, or what it's like? I do not. You put me in an office and I'm screwed. I know how to read paper files, organize the supply locker and I type with first two fingers of each hand.

So it isn't "nobody knows nothing but Gunny and Elessar." It's we know OUR sh*t. Been there, done that, and even still got a couple of the unit t shirts left.

When you listen you learn. When you're busy thinking about what you're going to say next you can't hear.

As far as aboutime goes, between you and him. Maybe you can tell him how to run a comm center. :rolleyes: Lighten up. He's just being him. You ain't exactly a peach.

so gunny have you read the police I posted giving advise and examples on how to do better? YES or NO?


Are you just going whine about nobody can tell you ....BTW you're Not a police officer either.... how to do a job.



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[Gunny]

so gunny have you read the police I posted giving advise and examples on how to do better? YES or NO?


Are you just going whine about nobody can tell you ....BTW you're Not a police officer either.... how to do a job.



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Here we go again. You don't know what you're talking about. What do you think Marines are in an occupied country? Well-armed police.

What am I whining about? I'm trying to knock some sense into that sick skull of yours.

And you know how I am about your cut n paste novels.

[revelarts]

Lol, point taken! Can you give me a link?


It was so out of hand that the thread got so large and it exploded.

Seriously of course, if I did in fact have such a thread, and I were to make a single post for each and every time a black person were killed in either place due to guns or whatever- that thread would be much longer than this one. And it's just 2 areas, compared to this one which is the entire nation. I still don't understand why many in the nation want to focus in singular subjects, and "lives" in general, and ignore those places.

Lives are lives. And I get that the police shootings and those shootings are 2 different things. But it's almost as if they really are ignored. One shooting can take up the news for a month straight and cause all kinds of issues from protests to riots. But you can have 25 people killed during that same period, from Detroit/Chicago, and maybe not even be aware of it.


By the laughter and joking someone might think you both don't have a real concern for all the death and harm done by civilians and even less by cops.
Or that you just want to use others deaths suffering as a debating point.
thanks for your productive input.

But i don't understand why people won't acknowledge the difference between crooks and gang members killing people. and it being addressed as outright as crime (and the conferences, workshops, neighborhood meeting, church outreach, programs etc etc over the year that Don't go in the news that I've posted about before but somehow you fail to mention.)
And SOME Cops that are PAID and trained to handle weapons and deescalated problem, to protect people and , act according to people rights.
But who act instead like bullies, kill, maim and abuse their power and they are treated as if they've done Nothing WRONG. becasuethey are police.

seems to me there's a clear distinction.

One is considered a strait up common criminal by ALL.
The other is a criminal working under the cover of a badge, paid, trained and given a weapon and authority by the local citizens. given social, legal and political cover to continue unless exposed thoroughly.

Seems like an EASY distinction to make.
Seems like a problem EVERYONE should be concerned about.
Seems like a problem honest people wouldn't want to dodge, or dismiss WHILE dealing the the other issues as well.

It's not an ETHIER OR.

[Gunny]

By the laughter and joking someone might think you both don't have a real concern for all the death and harm done by civilians and even more by cops.
Or that you just want to use others deaths suffering as a debating point.
thanks for your productive input.

But i don't understand why people won't acknowledge the difference between crooks and gang members killing people. and it being addressed as outright as crime (and the conferences, workshops, neighborhood meeting, church outreach, programs etc etc over the year that Don't go in the news that I've posted about before but somehow you fail to mention.)
And SOME Cops that are PAID and trained to handle weapons and deescalated problem, to protect people and , act according to people rights.
But who act instead like bullies, kill, maim and abuse their power and they are treated as if they've done Nothing WRONG. becasuethey are police.

seems to me there's a clear distinction.

One is considered a strait up common criminal by ALL.
The other is a criminal working under the cover of a badge, paid, trained and given a weapon and authority by the local citizens. given social, legal and political cover to continue unless exposed thoroughly.

Seems like an EASY distinction to make.
Seems like a problem EVERYONE should be concerned about.
Seems like a problem honest people wouldn't want to dodge, or dismiss WHILE dealing the the other issues as well.

It's not an ETHIER OR.

No Einstein .. they're trying to stop a lot of bickering.

[revelarts]

And you know how I am about your cut n paste novels.
So No you did not read or watch the other Cops i posted in the thread COMPLAIN and give advise on how some policing systems as well as cops are BAD and how they can be changed for the better. HAVE BEEN changed for the better.

then you've got no basis to whine about my post at all,
since you have ZERO idea what I'm basing my statements on.

[jimnyc]

By the laughter and joking someone might think you both don't have a real concern for all the death and harm done by civilians and even more by cops.
Or that you just want to use others deaths suffering as a debating point.
thanks for your productive input.

"even more" by cops? Surely you don't have a straight face? The killings done by gang bangers alone is more than police shootings. Then add in deaths by shooting that the offender is just not part of a gang. The amount of deaths per year, or in the past decade, just from those 2 places alone, is disgusting.

Others suffering and such. Hell, I've brought this up here, and elsewhere, endless times. And an "lol" in a thread about a point, is hardly laughing at the suffering of others.

And if talking about REAL concern and truth... Since there are SO MANY more deaths there than other places, and more deaths then police shootings - then where us the real concern for those folks? Why is it that the BLM group, for just one example, can get so involved and bring out so much concern, for one person. But where is that massive amount of concern when it's a black on black killing in these 2 places? Does it only matter if it's a white cop? Just a cop in general? I think we can both agree that ALL of the black lives matter. But a person shot by a cop gets unlimited concern. But a black on black shooting/death in Chicago or Detroit? And it comes off as if no one really cares at all.

WHERE is the productive input to help stem the endless deaths in these places? Where are the weekly marches looking for change? The mayor/governor and other leaders should be shitcanned if they aren't out there DAILY like so many others, looking for solutions. And if the next guy can't help fix things, then fire his ass too. But I don't see that happening either. I simply don't see a lot of effort being done, from the highest people in charge of those areas, all the way down to those who complain about the issue and can march or make their voices heard.

I know the difference between crooks, criminals, gang members killing as opposed to a cop entrusted to help civilians. I fully get that point. But outside of that point, get to a common denominator, LIVES, all lives should be equally important and valued. So yeah, 2 different types of deaths, 2 entirely different kinds of "complaints", about civilians and police officers . I DO get all of that. But at the end of the day, ALL lives should matter, whether a black kid shot by a cop in Texas, or a black kid shot by a gang member in Detroit. And yet we know the names of some that were shot, who later the facts showed that they were good shootings, and they are national names - and I can't think of just one name of someone who was killed similarly in Detroit or Chicago. It's as if it's 2 different worlds. Sadly, the world that the 2nd list comes from, they are like the forgotten bunch.

[Gunny]

So No you did not read or watch the other Cops i posted in the thread COMPLAIN and give advise on how some policing systems as well as cops are BAD and how they can be changed for the better. HAVE BEEN changed for the better.

then you've got no basis to whine about my post at all,
since you have ZERO idea what I'm basing my statements on.

And you obviously didn't read what I posted from experience that didn't come from a cut and paste. Makes us even.

I have plenty or reason to comment on your post. You are always presenting negative, one-sided viewpoints. There's no personality to you.

How many police are there compared to the population of the US and of that number, what is the percentage of bad cops?

And don't cherrypick my posts. I was trying to back out, but YOU are the one whining here, not me. You're crying in your playpen while surrounded by toys.

[revelarts]

"even more" by cops? ..
go back reread and I edited that.

the thought i was going for was.. you have EVEN LESS concern for those killed by cops.
But i worded it poorly.

[revelarts]

And you obviously didn't read what I posted from experience that didn't come from a cut and paste. Makes us even.

I have plenty or reason to comment on your post. You are always presenting negative, one-sided viewpoints. There's no personality to you.

How many police are there compared to the population of the US and of that number, what is the percentage of bad cops?

And don't cherrypick my posts. I was trying to back out, but YOU are the one whining here, not me. You're crying in your playpen while surrounded by toys.

go back and read or listen to cops and get back to me with a comment.
don't worry about my personality.. I'm not looking for a date thanks.

[jimnyc]

go back reread and I edited that.

the thought i was going for was.. you have EVEN LESS concern for those killed by cops.
But i worded it poorly.

Simply untrue. I'll be one of the 1st to condemn the police if they fucked up. I'll be on of the 1st to offer sympathies and such. I always look at each one on a case by case basis. I can go back and prove this, but... Are you - again - implying that I'm racist, because of some perceived lack of concern towards people shot by police? I have the same amount of concern for all people shot wrongly, black or white or whatever the hell color they are.

Again - case by case basis, each event looked at singularly. If a legit shooting, I have zero sympathy. If the cop fucked up, I'm usually one of the first to admit as much (not the first to post it admittedly, but sometimes). I always have concern for folks killed wrongly by the police. Should I find a few and quote them for some sort of proof?

The concern should be for those 2 cities, and I simply don't see it.

[Abbey Marie]

By the laughter and joking someone might think you both don't have a real concern for all the death and harm done by civilians and even less by cops.
Or that you just want to use others deaths suffering as a debating point.
thanks for your productive input.

But i don't understand why people won't acknowledge the difference between crooks and gang members killing people. and it being addressed as outright as crime (and the conferences, workshops, neighborhood meeting, church outreach, programs etc etc over the year that Don't go in the news that I've posted about before but somehow you fail to mention.)
And SOME Cops that are PAID and trained to handle weapons and deescalated problem, to protect people and , act according to people rights.
But who act instead like bullies, kill, maim and abuse their power and they are treated as if they've done Nothing WRONG. becasuethey are police.

seems to me there's a clear distinction.

One is considered a strait up common criminal by ALL.
The other is a criminal working under the cover of a badge, paid, trained and given a weapon and authority by the local citizens. given social, legal and political cover to continue unless exposed thoroughly.

Seems like an EASY distinction to make.
Seems like a problem EVERYONE should be concerned about.
Seems like a problem honest people wouldn't want to dodge, or dismiss WHILE dealing the the other issues as well.

It's not an ETHIER OR.

So, one "lol" and I'm a heartless racist beyotch? C'mon Rev, I don't think I treat you like that.

Anyway, it was a small show of appreciation for Jim's sarcasm. Fj and Noir aren't the only ones allowed to use humor, are they? I think Jim deserves that right, too.

[Gunny]

go back reread and I edited that.

the thought i was going for was.. you have EVEN LESS concern for those killed by cops.
But i worded it poorly.

And I posted previously, you're too busy thinking about what you want to say next to listen. I don't like cops. I stay away from them. Works like a charm.

There's no "lack of concern". But should there not be concern for the cops too? Look at Ferguson. This histrionic shit cost that cop his career and he was justified. Too late after they hanged him out to dry. What about HIM? HIS family?

No one's arguing bad cops aren't bad. The argument is making it look like ALL cops are bad. That's crap.

[revelarts]

So, one "lol" and I'm a heartless racist beyotch? C'mon Rev, I don't think I treat you like that.

Anyway, it was a small show of appreciation for Jim's sarcasm. Fj and Noir aren't the only ones allowed to use humor, are they? I think Jim deserves that right, too.


Abbey it's fine. but it just seem that everyone comes to this thread to Condemn the victims or indigo and I.
Few seem very concerned about the the corrupt cops or bad system Or EVEN DISCUSSING the suggestions and examples of BETTER SYSTEMS.

but there's time to joke about dead people. and come up with and read alternate things to be concerned about INSTEAD of this.

I'm not saying your ..what you said.. or Jim . But i suspect if i made LOLs or jokes about dead cops or military some people's heads would explode here.

but here the thing, i just Don't get all the hostility against people talking about REALLY BAD cops!
how many time do i have to say NOT ALL COPS ARE BAD!.
what about that is hard to get.
Most cops are GREAT.
And some and some whole depts can be FAR better .
and SOME NEED TO GO TO JAIL.
is that wrong to say?
why do i have defend that position as if I"VE committed a crime in voicing it?

[jimnyc]

And I posted previously, you're too busy thinking about what you want to say next to listen. I don't like cops. I stay away from them. Works like a charm.

There's no "lack of concern". But should there not be concern for the cops too? Look at Ferguson. This histrionic shit cost that cop his career and he was justified. Too late after they hanged him out to dry. What about HIM? HIS family?

No one's arguing bad cops aren't bad. The argument is making it look like ALL cops are bad. That's crap.

I'm sure most people on the board see me as very pro police. The majority of time I am defending them and their actions. Again, for me it's a case by case basis. It's not about being pro police or a police hater, but for me it's usually about the rule of law. I hold myself to a different standard though. :lol:

I would argue that if ANYONE on the board had a reason, or reasons to not like the police, that would be me!! Thing is though, 99% of the time I deserved it, well maybe like 90%. It started off by driving like an idiot, and when you do that you might get pulled over. Then I act like a jerk off when the cop comes back to my car holding a ticket. But who's fault was it? That time, right in front of him I crumpled up the ticket and tossed it over my shoulder into the back of the car, acting like a tough guy! LOL The cop was like "I don't care, do whatever you want, but you'll lose your license if you don't show up and/or pay the fine" or something like that.

I was "profiled" in the area I grew up. Often it was because I drove a very old nasty looking puke green colored van. This thing SCREAMED "drugs", or worse. Add in that I had REAL long hair back then. So pulled over a ton, and a lot of those times I would get searched.

Then more driving like an asshole, even after upgrading from the van! Funny how they still "abuse" you and ticket you for speeding, whether in a piece of shit, or in a new and small geeky car, and wearing a suit on the way to work.

Made it over 12 points in NJ and lost license. Had to attend some goofy class to get it restored and have 3 points taken off my records. Then repeated that process like a year later!! :thumb:

Then I got married, and smarter. Same as you say, I simply stayed away from them, as in being smarter, driving better and not breaking laws. Ok, I think it was only 1 more speeding ticket. :) But I've currently got 0 points and haven't had to really deal with the police because I am friends with a few. But funny how when I see a cop I still get really nervous as if I'm potentially about to go to jail! :)

More to the story than just speeding of course, I was a bad boy for a bit there, but nothing THAT bad. :420:

What the hell am I rambling on about here? I had to scroll back up to see what I'm replying to and what point I was trying to make. I don't think I made much sense here, did I? LOL and I swear, no, I am not stoned!! :laugh2:

[jimnyc]

Abbey it's fine. but it just seem that everyone comes to this thread to Condemn the victims or indigo and I.

Truth? If you'll believe me?

I was on "Who's online" and saw that Gunny was viewing this thread, and that's why I popped in here today. I wasn't looking to condemn anyone. Again, for me, it's a case by case basis, so you'll only see condemnation towards the guilty party from me.

[Abbey Marie]

Abbey it's fine. but it just seem that everyone comes to this thread to Condemn the victims or indigo and I.
Few seem very concerned about the the corrupt cops or bad system Or EVEN DISCUSSING the suggestions and examples of BETTER SYSTEMS.

but there's time to joke about dead people. and come up with and read alternate things to be concerned about INSTEAD of this.

I'm not saying your ..what you said.. or Jim . But i suspect if i made LOLs or jokes about dead cops or military some people heads would explode here.

but here the thing, i just Don't get all the hostility against people talking about REALLY BAD cops!
how many time do i have to say NOT ALL COPS ARE BAD!.
what about that is hard to get.
Most cops are GREAT.
And some and some whole septs can be FAR better .
and SOME NEED TO GO TO JAIL.
is that wrong to say?
why do i have defend that position as if I"VE committed a crime in voicing it?

I'll answer your question, speaking solely for me.

The police are about all that stands between us and chaos. And they put their lives on the line.
Yes, they have bad apples, but I give them a ton of respect and credit for those two reasons.

And after Dallas, I think it is irresponsible to keep portraying police as murderers.

[revelarts]

I'll answer your question, speaking solely for me.
The police are about that stand between us and chaos. And they put their lives on the line.
Yes, they have bad apples, but I give them a ton of respect and credit for those two reasons.
And after Dallas, I think it is irresponsible to keep portraying police as murderers.
ok but i have to say it seems you... and nearly everyone else here... has had a big problem with this thread long before Dallas.

But i have to ask, If a specific police office IS an outright murderer, should it be mentioned here or anywhere Abbey?

[Abbey Marie]

ok but i have to say it seems you... and nearly everyone else here... has had a big problem with this thread long before Dallas.

But i have to ask, If a specific police office IS an outright murderer, should it be mentioned here or anywhere Abbey?

Of course. We all post about what matters to us. But don't be surprised when people feel the need to defend the police in return. They do a very difficult job, risk their lives, and have to take all sorts of crap in the process. I would also suggest that it's not so bad to give them a break.

[jimnyc]

ok but i have to say it seems you... and nearly everyone else here... has had a big problem with this thread long before Dallas.

But i have to ask, If a specific police office IS an outright murderer, should it be mentioned here or anywhere Abbey?

Of course! And no one would, or has said otherwise!! I think everyone agreed that the prick who was nailed shooting the guy in the back should be 100% fully held accountable (Michael Slager). And for me, that means up to and including the death penalty.

[Kathianne]

Rev, I'm going to jump in here without quoting anyone. I have long ties to police in Chicago and suburbs. My uncle was a lieutenant in Chicago during '68 riots. My brother was on a suburban force, (pop 50k) for just about 30 years. Uncle was 'old school' meaning bad old days in Chicago, yet he himself was very involved with the kids from the districts he'd worked on when he was on the streets. He didn't have kids, so both my aunt and he were like our favorites, they'd do anything for us. He also was like that for kids in the community. When he was retiring after 40 years, a bunch of folks showed up at his party-including kids with cards and telling stories. Their parents thanked him, also telling stories about how he'd bought food, one an old used car to keep a job, would help kids with homework, etc. Most of these folks were from the West Side of Chicago and the Shakespeare District. Neither great neighborhoods even back when. Some of those 'kids' were my age when my uncle died, 4 of them showed up for his wake.

My brother had his bachelor's when he started as a cop-in a city that required a bachelor's or military service. He was on patrol for about 3 years, then became a detective. He'd also completed his MS. He became juvie detective, spent some time in the high school. Became a member of regional advisory force, SWAT, and started teaching SWAT and police driving at U of I. Taught police management at Northwestern. Also was a sergeant, lieutenant, then deputy chief. He turned down being chief-way too many headaches and politics. Truth is, other than the education and more promotions, pretty much was like my uncle regarding working with community.

He's so glad he's not part of it anymore. He feels like the police have no choice now, they are going to be reactive for the foreseeable future. To be proactive is asking for problems that they can't afford. What this means is that they will be vigilant in stopping and arresting when indicated, but will avoid dealing with things that may be questionable and if they have a judgement call to make, it will be to not get involved. Some will have unfortunate results for the community. Some may lead to kids that might have listened, to not have that voice warning them to move away, not toward trouble.

He would not recommend anyone to become a police officer today-indeed he spoke to both his son and my son about other ways to use their degrees in law enforcement-not in police work. That was 8 years ago, even before the shootings. That was heartbreaking for him, he'd been a recruiter for the department for nearly 20 years-now he just couldn't do it. He'd considered it a calling, much like teaching. He saw the best part of his job in prevention of crime, whether talking to homeowners or being in the schools. He worked a lot in the community to establish outlets for kids, especially teens that didn't fit well into sports and activities at the schools.

I don't think these were exceptions to the police, they were the norm. My brother's friends that are cops, several are chiefs in smaller suburbs, really run the same way. They want good relations with the community. They want to identify kids, especially boys that are having a hard time at home-to get some social services and to find some positive activities with adults that might keep them out of trouble.

There are bad cops, trust me, you wouldn't want to be around the bro when one slipped through the screenings. They have a year to get rid of bad cops without cause-keeping the union out of it for the most part. The three biggest problems? 1. lazy and wouldn't do what was needed, forget about above and beyond. 2. power crazy-they are attracted for the power over others, they figured out how to avoid in psych eval, which catches most. 3. corrupt-stealing and intimidating, related to 2., but in it for gain over power.

[Elessar]

It amazes me that when you guys get really frustrated you go to the ..
"pick up a weapon and stand on the wall" reply.



Verbal criticism does not phase me.

Hiding behind a keyboard and acting 'holier than thou' rankles me, and quite
a few others.

You think you are higher and holier than anyone else. Let me tell you, Buster...
your long-winded preaching and cut and paste rants are amusing at best.

[Elessar]

and there we go again.
no body knows nuthin but Gunny and Elesar.
everyone else should STHU and listen.

Can't take criticism even if it's pointed to FROM OTHER POLICE.
won't acknowledge praise unless it 24/7 say THANKS! and STHU .

sorry not going to happen.

Do you think I do not listen to LE complaints about others in
the same fraternity?

You are so stupid it is astounding. One my co-workers or people
steps over the line, they are going in front of the 'green cloth', i.e. - facing the C.O..

You have the luxury of hiding behind all that, preaching and rattling your spoon.

[Kathianne]

Verbal criticism does not phase me.

Hiding behind a keyboard and acting 'holier than thou' rankles me, and quite
a few others.

You think you are higher and holier than anyone else. Let me tell you, Buster...
your long-winded preaching and cut and paste rants are amusing at best.


I think Rev is very principled and he is extremely consistent. He is passionate in what he believes and yes, sometimes goes on a bit. ;) However, 'holier than thou?' Not if you know him a bit. He's a very humble guy and seriously I think would do about anything for anyone. Like many of us, if you just catch him on the causes that rile him, you'll see him only one way.

[Elessar]

go back and read or listen to cops and get back to me with a comment.
don't worry about my personality.. I'm not looking for a date thanks.

So you revert to a silly insult. In over your head....again.

Cut and paste will not save you this time.:laugh: