revelarts
11-18-2014, 02:57 PM
time has come for a rant...
I'll suggest 2 books on the subject of the roots of science.
Who 1st did science work and why.
Lost Discoveries:
The Ancient Roots of Modern Science--from the Babylonians to the Maya
&
For the Glory of God:
How Monotheism Led to Reformations, Science, Witch-Hunts, and the End of Slavery
1st
Lost Discoveries: The Ancient Roots of Modern Science--from the Babylonians to the Maya: Dick Teresi: 9780743243797: Amazon.com: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Discoveries-Ancient-Science---Babylonians/dp/074324379X/)
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"....Did Nicolas Copernicus steal his notion that the earth orbited the sun from an Islamic astronomer who lived three centuries earlier? "The jury is still out," writes Dick Teresi, whose intriguing survey of the non-Western roots of modern science offers several worthy arguments that Copernicus in fact ripped off Nasir al-Din al-Tusi. Common belief is that Westerners have been the mainspring of most scientific and technical achievement, but in Lost Discoveries Teresi shows that other cultures had arrived at much of the same knowledge at earlier dates. The Babylonians were using the Pythagorean theorem at least 15 centuries before Pythagoras drew his first triangle, and in A.D. 200 a Chinese mathematician calculated an incredibly accurate value for pi. The Mayans and other Mesoamericans were outstanding sky watchers and stargazers. The greatest advances occurred in math and astronomy, though Teresi also devotes chapters to physics, geology, chemistry, technology, and even cosmology...."
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And basically ALL of those cultures did their work either because of or in service to their various faiths. Mayan, Muslim, Pagan etc and Christian. And often it was the priestly cast that had the time to do the scholarly work of looking at the stars, the land, animals, the plants and herbs, and noting the movements and figuring out the distances etc. they created or maintained the writing and the did the experimentation. Even if many of their religious beliefs were wildly left field, they made extremely diligent observations and created mathematics, navigated the pacific ocean, drill 2000 feet deep for natural gas, created iron and metals that were not reproduced until the 20th centry. produced some glass and stoneware that STILL has not been reproduced. and basically made the "primitive" foundation of research of today's Science.
AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT...
following all of that in the west, beginning in the middle ages western science was given it's framework.
A framework that atheist want to some how hijack as their own today. But many scholars of science history know better than the pop anti-thesit.
evolutionary anthropologist and science writer Loren Eiseley stated:
Quote:
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‘The philosophy of experimental science … began its discoveries and made use of its methods in the faith, not the knowledge, that it was dealing with a rational universe controlled by a creator who did not act upon whim nor interfere with the forces He had set in operation… It is surely one of the curious paradoxes of history that science, which professionally has little to do with faith, owes its origins to an act of faith that the universe can be rationally interpreted, and that science today is sustained by that assumption.’2
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Quote: Dr. Johnthan Sarfarti
(http://creation.com/biblical-roots-of-modern-science)
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But if atheism or polytheism is true, then there is no way to deduce from these belief systems that the universe is (or should be) orderly.
Furthermore, Genesis 1:28 gives us permission to investigate creation, unlike say animism or pantheism which teach that the creation itself is divine. And since God is sovereign, He was free to create as He pleased. So where the Bible is silent, the only way to find out how His creation works is to experiment, rather than to rely on man-made philosophies, as did the ancient Greeks. So no wonder that sociologist and author Rodney Stark affirmed:
“Science was not the work of western secularists or even deists; it was entirely the work of devout believers in an active, conscious, creator God.”3
Furthermore, science requires that we can think rationally, and that results should be reported honestly, more teachings found in the Bible but do not follow from evolutionism.4
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Amazon book note on
For the Glory of God: How Monotheism Led to Reformations, Science, Witch-Hunts, and the End of Slavery
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/images/misc/amazon_icon.gif (http://www.amazon.com/Glory-God-Monotheism-Reformations-Witch-Hunts/dp/0691119503/) For the Glory of God: How Monotheism Led to Reformations, Science, Witch-Hunts, and the End of Slavery: Rodney Stark: 9780691119502: Amazon.com: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Glory-God-Monotheism-Reformations-Witch-Hunts/dp/0691119503/)
Quote:
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....As a professor of Sociology and Comparative Religions at the University of Washington, Rodney Stark debunks many commonly accepted ideas. He interprets the sixteenth-century flowering of science not as a sudden revolution that burst religious barriers, but as the normal, gradual, and direct outgrowth of medieval theology.
....
Stark boldly asserts that Christian theologians were the first in world history to conduct authentic science and were doing it long before they came across Greek philosophy. He points out, though early Christians found Aristotelian logic useful in developing a sound philosophical foundation for their theology, they found Aristotelian physics useless...
...he studies 52 key early scientists, and shows that more than 60 % were "devout," while only 2 were skeptics....
....What's most impressive about this work is that Stark refuses to reach deductive conclusions based on broad sweeping assumptions. He backs his theories with a penetrating and nuanced analysis of the historical record along with a healthy use of statistics and regression analysis....
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so please before people make wild assertions about what "religion" or "faith" does or does not contribute to science and clear thinking please investigate further, with an HONEST and OPEN eyes for the side of the story we aren't often told.
I'll suggest 2 books on the subject of the roots of science.
Who 1st did science work and why.
Lost Discoveries:
The Ancient Roots of Modern Science--from the Babylonians to the Maya
&
For the Glory of God:
How Monotheism Led to Reformations, Science, Witch-Hunts, and the End of Slavery
1st
Lost Discoveries: The Ancient Roots of Modern Science--from the Babylonians to the Maya: Dick Teresi: 9780743243797: Amazon.com: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Discoveries-Ancient-Science---Babylonians/dp/074324379X/)
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"....Did Nicolas Copernicus steal his notion that the earth orbited the sun from an Islamic astronomer who lived three centuries earlier? "The jury is still out," writes Dick Teresi, whose intriguing survey of the non-Western roots of modern science offers several worthy arguments that Copernicus in fact ripped off Nasir al-Din al-Tusi. Common belief is that Westerners have been the mainspring of most scientific and technical achievement, but in Lost Discoveries Teresi shows that other cultures had arrived at much of the same knowledge at earlier dates. The Babylonians were using the Pythagorean theorem at least 15 centuries before Pythagoras drew his first triangle, and in A.D. 200 a Chinese mathematician calculated an incredibly accurate value for pi. The Mayans and other Mesoamericans were outstanding sky watchers and stargazers. The greatest advances occurred in math and astronomy, though Teresi also devotes chapters to physics, geology, chemistry, technology, and even cosmology...."
</tbody>
And basically ALL of those cultures did their work either because of or in service to their various faiths. Mayan, Muslim, Pagan etc and Christian. And often it was the priestly cast that had the time to do the scholarly work of looking at the stars, the land, animals, the plants and herbs, and noting the movements and figuring out the distances etc. they created or maintained the writing and the did the experimentation. Even if many of their religious beliefs were wildly left field, they made extremely diligent observations and created mathematics, navigated the pacific ocean, drill 2000 feet deep for natural gas, created iron and metals that were not reproduced until the 20th centry. produced some glass and stoneware that STILL has not been reproduced. and basically made the "primitive" foundation of research of today's Science.
AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT...
following all of that in the west, beginning in the middle ages western science was given it's framework.
A framework that atheist want to some how hijack as their own today. But many scholars of science history know better than the pop anti-thesit.
evolutionary anthropologist and science writer Loren Eiseley stated:
Quote:
<tbody>
‘The philosophy of experimental science … began its discoveries and made use of its methods in the faith, not the knowledge, that it was dealing with a rational universe controlled by a creator who did not act upon whim nor interfere with the forces He had set in operation… It is surely one of the curious paradoxes of history that science, which professionally has little to do with faith, owes its origins to an act of faith that the universe can be rationally interpreted, and that science today is sustained by that assumption.’2
</tbody>
Quote: Dr. Johnthan Sarfarti
(http://creation.com/biblical-roots-of-modern-science)
<tbody>
But if atheism or polytheism is true, then there is no way to deduce from these belief systems that the universe is (or should be) orderly.
Furthermore, Genesis 1:28 gives us permission to investigate creation, unlike say animism or pantheism which teach that the creation itself is divine. And since God is sovereign, He was free to create as He pleased. So where the Bible is silent, the only way to find out how His creation works is to experiment, rather than to rely on man-made philosophies, as did the ancient Greeks. So no wonder that sociologist and author Rodney Stark affirmed:
“Science was not the work of western secularists or even deists; it was entirely the work of devout believers in an active, conscious, creator God.”3
Furthermore, science requires that we can think rationally, and that results should be reported honestly, more teachings found in the Bible but do not follow from evolutionism.4
</tbody>
Amazon book note on
For the Glory of God: How Monotheism Led to Reformations, Science, Witch-Hunts, and the End of Slavery
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/images/misc/amazon_icon.gif (http://www.amazon.com/Glory-God-Monotheism-Reformations-Witch-Hunts/dp/0691119503/) For the Glory of God: How Monotheism Led to Reformations, Science, Witch-Hunts, and the End of Slavery: Rodney Stark: 9780691119502: Amazon.com: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Glory-God-Monotheism-Reformations-Witch-Hunts/dp/0691119503/)
Quote:
<tbody>
....As a professor of Sociology and Comparative Religions at the University of Washington, Rodney Stark debunks many commonly accepted ideas. He interprets the sixteenth-century flowering of science not as a sudden revolution that burst religious barriers, but as the normal, gradual, and direct outgrowth of medieval theology.
....
Stark boldly asserts that Christian theologians were the first in world history to conduct authentic science and were doing it long before they came across Greek philosophy. He points out, though early Christians found Aristotelian logic useful in developing a sound philosophical foundation for their theology, they found Aristotelian physics useless...
...he studies 52 key early scientists, and shows that more than 60 % were "devout," while only 2 were skeptics....
....What's most impressive about this work is that Stark refuses to reach deductive conclusions based on broad sweeping assumptions. He backs his theories with a penetrating and nuanced analysis of the historical record along with a healthy use of statistics and regression analysis....
</tbody>
so please before people make wild assertions about what "religion" or "faith" does or does not contribute to science and clear thinking please investigate further, with an HONEST and OPEN eyes for the side of the story we aren't often told.