Base dissatisfied with Dems

[Pernicious]

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As if Democrats don’t face enough hurdles this midterm year, they’re also staring down a party base asking President Obama: “What have you done for me lately?”
In fact, virtually every traditional pillar of Democratic support, from Hispanics and African-Americans to young voters and progressives, has some level of dissatisfaction with the White House and party leaders.
For Democrats seeking to keep control of the Senate, that frustration from the base is only the latest ominous sign, on top of the traditional turnout problems the party faces every off-year election.
Hispanic advocates have gone so far as to call Obama’s immigration record “shameful,” and some have suggested that whether control of the Senate flips after next week’s elections will have little impact on the cause of immigration reform.Young voters and African-Americans — the original pillars of the “Obama coalition” during his primary fight with Hillary Clinton in 2008 — continue to have a tougher time finding a job than the population at large, even as the economy continues to pick up.
And liberals who opposed the wars of the George W. Bush era have to cope both with a fresh escalation in the Middle East, and a president whose record on civil liberties has been a letdown.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/222410-dem-base-what-about-us

[fj1200]

Republicans have to be better than just the not-democrat party.

[gabosaurus]

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[hjmick]

Republicans have to be better than just the not-democrat party.


Why? It worked for the Dems in '08... Not being the GP that is...

[LongTermGuy]

Republicans have to be better than just the not-democrat party.

`.......The Democrat party makes `all` Republicans look good to most intelligent people with every passing day....why not ride that pony all the way in...its a free ride...:coffee:

[KarlMarx]

The Republicans need to have a vision that they can articulate to the electorate in terms that are easy to grasp.

I used to say that Barack Obama was the worst president in living memory but I realized that was being entirely unfair to him. I now think he is the worst president in history. After all, he's worked so very hard at that distinction, who am I to deny him that recognition to which he so rightly deserves?

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[Drummond]

Republicans have to be better than just the not-democrat party.

Translation: don't support the Republicans as they currently are.

This is getting to be a bog standard Leftie ploy, isn't it, FJ ? Convince Conservatives that the GOP isn't worth voting for. Result ... Dems get re-elected by default ..

Evidently I need to make this point for the second time on this forum (I last did so, just days ago ..). We in the UK have experience of a main political Party having been perceived as 'unelectable'.

It was in the 1980's, when Lady Thatcher was winning her landslide victories. YES, in large measure, she was managing such support by being so successful with her policies. Nonetheless, she first gained power because her Labour opposition had brought us to the brink of ruin because of the Left-wing nature of their own politics.

So it was that the general public perceived Labour as unelectable. To make matters a lot worse for themselves, Labour chose to vote Michael Foot in to be their leader (as successor to Jim Callaghan, whose terrible policies had given us the 'Winter of Discontent' and Union-led meltdown), and Foot himself helped cause Labour to lurch even further to the Left. So, the public abandoned them in droves.

Labour regained power in 1997, having been sidelined for an entire generation. Tony Blair reinvented Labour's image, causing people to see them as far more moderate than before. This was what made them electable once more.

The lesson for American politics ? Cause a political Party to seem unattractive enough, and they will stay out of power until they're perceived as 'fixed'. Lefties in America know that a successful pushing of the message that the GOP is 'unfit for purpose' in Conservative terms, will KEEP them out of power for as long as the perception remains. So ... all that Lefties wanting the Dems to prevail, election after election, need to do is to keep that 'unattractiveness' message alive and credible. Dems can manage an abysmal record in power, but if their opposition is seen as even worse, they need not particularly care ... and so they remain electable, regardless.

Isn't that so, FJ .. ?

Conservatives conned into wanting the GOP to improve WITHOUT being in power beforehand, play the Left-wing game that the Dems want them to play. Perpetuate that, and they'll keep on winning elections by default.

[fj1200]

Why? It worked for the Dems in '08... Not being the GP that is...

So we can win elections because of who we are as opposed to who we are not.


The Republicans need to have a vision that they can articulate to the electorate in terms that are easy to grasp.

Troof.


Translation: don't support the Republicans as they currently are.

I'm a dumb-ass idiot. Isn't that so, FJ .. ?

Yes, you are one dumb-*** idiot. You're best not to try and translate what you don't understand. If we want people to vote for them consistently they need to educate and articulate their conservative viewpoint and explain how it's better than the alternative. Now if we could just get idiots like you to stop defending big government as conservatism, like RINOs, then we might get somewhere.

[hjmick]

Yeah, fj, as sad as it is, a lot of times people win elections just because they're not the other guys...


Nowadays, in fact, it seems like that's all it takes. That or people want to say they voted for the winner. I've seen that reason almost as often...

[fj1200]

Yeah, fj, as sad as it is, a lot of times people win elections just because they're not the other guys...

Yup, if we want long term change we have to put in the work. I think Sassy mentioned the Overton Window (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) many moon ago. That's what we need to work on. :)

What did you mean by 'GP' earlier?

[hjmick]

Yup, if we want long term change we have to put in the work. I think Sassy mentioned the Overton Window (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) many moon ago. That's what we need to work on. :)

What did you mean by 'GP' earlier?

Typo... GOP.

[jimnyc]

Yeah, fj, as sad as it is, a lot of times people win elections just because they're not the other guys...


Nowadays, in fact, it seems like that's all it takes. That or people want to say they voted for the winner. I've seen that reason almost as often...


Yup, if we want long term change we have to put in the work. I think Sassy mentioned the Overton Window (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) many moon ago. That's what we need to work on. :)

What did you mean by 'GP' earlier?

Put in the work? Seems like in the past few decades that ALL the work by most candidates is finding new ways to trash talk their opponent. JUST ONCE I would love to see a candidate go an entire election season avoiding the trash, ignoring trash from their opponent and staying strictly with the facts, and what THEY will be doing if elected. I know, I'm from NY, only takes a dollar and a dream!

[grannyhawkins]

BEST BARTENDER JOKE EVER


A Suspended Lawyer,
an Illegal Alien,
a Pathological Liar,
a Muslim,
a Communist,
a Terrible golfer and
a Black Guy walk into a BAR.


Bartender says.

"What'll it be, Mr. President?

[grannyhawkins]

Put in the work? Seems like in the past few decades that ALL the work by most candidates is finding new ways to trash talk their opponent. JUST ONCE I would love to see a candidate go an entire election season avoiding the trash, ignoring trash from their opponent and staying strictly with the facts, and what THEY will be doing if elected. I know, I'm from NY, only takes a dollar and a dream!

I wonder why we even need political party's, we're all American aren't we??? I think the R and D, is a distraction. Campaign on the issues you think are important for the country and it's citizens as a whole. Immigration, Military, Nasa, Education, Abortion, Gayness, Employment, Economy Foreign Policy, HealthCare or Public Assistance, don't really need a party do they??? I guess that would require too much work for the electorate though.

[Drummond]

Yup, if we want long term change we have to put in the work. I think Sassy mentioned the Overton Window (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window) many moon ago. That's what we need to work on. :)

What did you mean by 'GP' earlier?

Looks like my lesson fell on deaf ears.

Or is that ... ears attuned to a particular agenda ? Eh, FJ ?

What I've posted about the Labour Party's unelectability (until 1997) is no less than the truth. Anyone wanting to be rid of the Dems cannot afford to wait around for their opposition to reinvent itself ... you could be waiting a generation, OR MORE, for such a thing to happen.

Perhaps the consensus truly is that a further decade plus of Socialist poison is an acceptable future for America to endure ?

[fj1200]

Looks like my lesson fell on deaf ears.

Or is that ... ears attuned to a particular agenda ? Eh, FJ ?

What I've posted about the Labour Party's unelectability (until 1997) is no less than the truth. Anyone wanting to be rid of the Dems cannot afford to wait around for their opposition to reinvent itself ... you could be waiting a generation, OR MORE, for such a thing to happen.

Perhaps the consensus truly is that a further decade plus of Socialist poison is an acceptable future for America to endure ?

I see your idiotic dumbF*ery continues. Who suggested that the Republicans NOT win? We just need to aspire to be more than NOT-Democrats and educate the electorate as to what actual conservatism is, not the crap you peddle.

[Drummond]

I see your idiotic dumbF*ery continues. Who suggested that the Republicans NOT win? We just need to aspire to be more than NOT-Democrats and educate the electorate as to what actual conservatism is, not the crap you peddle.

So let's be clear, then. Do you advocate that voters vote for the Republicans in the next election ? YES or NO ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So let's be clear, then. Do you advocate that voters vote for the Republicans in the next election ? YES or NO ?

Two bucks says he answers with more than either a yes or a no..
and still leaves the question unanswered or with some form of plausible deniability.. :laugh:--Tyr

[Drummond]

Two bucks says he answers with more than either a yes or a no..
and still leaves the question unanswered or with some form of plausible deniability.. :laugh:--Tyr

... well, I don't know about 'plausible' ...

[gabosaurus]

I am not sure which base you are talking about.


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[PixieStix]

Put in the work? Seems like in the past few decades that ALL the work by most candidates is finding new ways to trash talk their opponent. JUST ONCE I would love to see a candidate go an entire election season avoiding the trash, ignoring trash from their opponent and staying strictly with the facts, and what THEY will be doing if elected. I know, I'm from NY, only takes a dollar and a dream!

Amen Brother!!

There is nothing more to say. Just the facts please.

[fj1200]

So let's be clear, then. Do you advocate that voters vote for the Republicans in the next election ? YES or NO ?

Of course you dope.


Two bucks says he answers with more than either a yes or a no..
and still leaves the question unanswered or with some form of plausible deniability.. :laugh:--Tyr


... well, I don't know about 'plausible' ...

I think the two of you get dumber when you get together.

[darin]

Doesn't matter what the polls or pundits say - Democrats will cheat, steal, and bribe their way - this election and forever.