Wafa al Bass

[LongTermGuy]

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Wafa al Bass (Wafa al-Biss, b. 1984) is a Palestinian Arab resident of Gaza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip) who was permitted to enter Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) for the purpose of being treated at an Israeli hospital in 2005. She wore a suicide bomb vest which she attempted to explode as she crossed into Israel via theErez Crossing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erez_Crossing).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-2)
Al Bass had been given permission to enter Israel to receive hospital treatment for severe burns. Guards at the crossing became suspicious and discovered that under her traditional black robes she had strapped a 22-pound bomb to her leg.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-3)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-4)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-5)
She was imprisoned for several years and released in the 2011 Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange).
Upon release from prison she immediately attained further notoriety by urging Gazans to “take another Shalit” every year until all convicted Arab terrorists held in Israeli prisons were freed.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-6) As schoolchildren gathered at her home in northern Gaza to welcome her home, she told them, "I hope you will walk the same path we took and God willing, we will see some of you as martyrs." [7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-7)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-8)

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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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Wafa al Bass (Wafa al-Biss, b. 1984) is a Palestinian Arab resident of Gaza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip) who was permitted to enter Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) for the purpose of being treated at an Israeli hospital in 2005. She wore a suicide bomb vest which she attempted to explode as she crossed into Israel via theErez Crossing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erez_Crossing).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-2)
Al Bass had been given permission to enter Israel to receive hospital treatment for severe burns. Guards at the crossing became suspicious and discovered that under her traditional black robes she had strapped a 22-pound bomb to her leg.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-3)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-4)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-5)
She was imprisoned for several years and released in the 2011 Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange).
Upon release from prison she immediately attained further notoriety by urging Gazans to “take another Shalit” every year until all convicted Arab terrorists held in Israeli prisons were freed.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-6) As schoolchildren gathered at her home in northern Gaza to welcome her home, she told them, "I hope you will walk the same path we took and God willing, we will see some of you as martyrs." [7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-7)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-8)

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She is a solid muslim, deep in its faith and practicing it as is required...
She is not hiding it to placate western sensibilities and delusions...

What people fail to understand is that is ISLAM!!!!

Yet gullible people believe the propaganda and cry otherwise... -TYR

[gabosaurus]

She is a solid muslim, deep in its faith and practicing it as is required...
She is not hiding it to placate western sensibilities and delusions...

What people fail to understand is that is ISLAM!!!!

Yet gullible people believe the propaganda and cry otherwise... -TYR

Jim Jones was was a solid Christian , deep in its faith and practicing it as is required...

He did not hide it to placate western sensibilities and delusions...

Jones felt outsiders failed to believe that his views represented CHRISTIANITY.

A lot of gullible people believed his propaganda. Now they are dead.

http://i.imgur.com/GzS54AD.jpg

[NightTrain]

Jim Jones was was a solid Christian , deep in its faith and practicing it as is required...

He did not hide it to placate western sensibilities and delusions...

Jones felt outsiders failed to believe that his views represented CHRISTIANITY.

A lot of gullible people believed his propaganda. Now they are dead.

http://i.imgur.com/GzS54AD.jpg

Educate yourself.

This isn't hard to research.

He was not a Christian; he was a Liberal Atheist/Gnostic and a hardcore Communist.

Saying he was Christian is unbelievably stupid when all you need to do is spend 2 minutes looking it up.



By the early 1970s, Jones began deriding traditional Christianity as "fly away religion," rejecting the Bible as being a tool to oppress women and non-whites, and denouncing a "Sky God" who was no God at all.[14] Jones wrote a booklet titled "The Letter Killeth," criticizing the King James Bible.[40] Jones also began preaching that he was the reincarnation of Mahatma Gandhi (murdered in 1948) and Father Divine (died in 1965), as well as Jesus of Nazareth, Gautama Buddha and Vladimir Lenin. Former Temple member Hue Fortson, Jr. quoted Jones as saying, "What you need to believe in is what you can see ... If you see me as your friend, I'll be your friend. As you see me as your father, I'll be your father, for those of you that don't have a father ... If you see me as your savior, I'll be your savior. If you see me as your God, I'll be your God."[9]


In a 1976 phone conversation with John Maher, Jones alternately stated that he was an agnostic and an atheist.[41] Despite the Temple's fear that the IRS was investigating its religious tax exemption, Marceline Jones admitted in a 1977 New York Times interview that Jones was trying to promote Marxism in the United States by mobilizing people through religion, citing Mao Zedong as his inspiration.[37] She stated that, "Jim used religion to try to get some people out of the opiate of religion," and had slammed the Bible on the table yelling "I've got to destroy this paper idol!"[37] In one sermon, Jones said that, "You're gonna help yourself, or you'll get no help! There's only one hope of glory; that's within you! Nobody's gonna come out of the sky! There's no heaven up there! We'll have to make heaven down here!"[9]


There's a lot more.

Read up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

[DLT]

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Wafa al Bass (Wafa al-Biss, b. 1984) is a Palestinian Arab resident of Gaza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip) who was permitted to enter Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) for the purpose of being treated at an Israeli hospital in 2005. She wore a suicide bomb vest which she attempted to explode as she crossed into Israel via theErez Crossing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erez_Crossing).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-2)
Al Bass had been given permission to enter Israel to receive hospital treatment for severe burns. Guards at the crossing became suspicious and discovered that under her traditional black robes she had strapped a 22-pound bomb to her leg.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-3)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-4)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-5)
She was imprisoned for several years and released in the 2011 Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange).
Upon release from prison she immediately attained further notoriety by urging Gazans to “take another Shalit” every year until all convicted Arab terrorists held in Israeli prisons were freed.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-6) As schoolchildren gathered at her home in northern Gaza to welcome her home, she told them, "I hope you will walk the same path we took and God willing, we will see some of you as martyrs." [7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-7)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-8)

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Being a martyr for your religion is one thing. Taking the lives of innocent humans in the process is quite another. That isn't war. It's evil.

[SassyLady]

[QUOTE=gabosaurus;708685]Jim Jones was was a solid Christian , deep in its faith and practicing it as is required...

He did not hide it to placate western sensibilities and delusions...

Jones felt outsiders failed to believe that his views represented CHRISTIANITY.

A lot of gullible people believed his propaganda. Now they are dead. /QUOTE]

Precisely our point Gabby. A lot of people believe that Islam is the religion of peace and now they are dead.

How many people died because they believed in Jones? How many people have died and will continue to die because they believe Islam is the religion of peace? I'm pretty sure Islam has Jones beat on the number dead.

[gabosaurus]

What is the difference between the extreme factions of Christianity and the extreme factions of Islam?
Not much, if you think about it.

[red state]

:lol:

The above is pretty darn stupid.....and I've got this 'thing' banned from my screen YET the intelligence goes down even seeing the name I've banned/placed on ignore. If only you guys would simply reply and stop honoring her crap by quoting...I'd not have to be reminded of how VERY dim this dim-O-crat is.

If the poster above (can't even say the name) could ever bring the liberal intelligence/common sense level up to (at least) Noir's rational or at least learn how to READ, I'd probably consider lifting the ban.....but not likely.

[red state]

Educate yourself.

This isn't hard to research.

He was not a Christian; he was a Liberal Atheist/Gnostic and a hardcore Communist.

Saying he was Christian is unbelievably stupid when all you need to do is spend 2 minutes looking it up.

There's a lot more.

Read up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

Now, NT, how many liberals do you know who are willing to educate themselves or believe anything they read (IF they read at all)?! And you're beating a dead horse if you think she'll ever believe you or anything that goes against the LIES and ignorance that she feels all too comfortable with. UNBELIEVABLY STUPID is an exact description of this "TEACHER".

[jimnyc]

What is the difference between the extreme factions of Christianity and the extreme factions of Islam?
Not much, if you think about it.

Ok, enough, this time you're answering...

I can rattle off a list of about 100 Islamic terror groups, responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths SINCE 9/11 ALONE. Can you please list some extremist Christianity factions that are performing similar acts? Don't backpeddle or pour your bullshit in here, nor disappear from the thread - either list these same groups in Christianity that are similar to Islamic terror groups, or admit you're trolling.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Ok, enough, this time you're answering...

I can rattle off a list of about 100 Islamic terror groups, responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths SINCE 9/11 ALONE. Can you please list some extremist Christianity factions that are performing similar acts? Don't backpeddle or pour your bullshit in here, nor disappear from the thread - either list these same groups in Christianity that are similar to Islamic terror groups, or admit you're trolling.

Impossible task for her my friend...
For her comparison was silly.
The religion of Islam mandates and practices the murdering acts as servitude to Allah.
Christianity teaches doing just the opposite.
There is a reason the silent majority in Islam do not condemn Jihad and slaughter of non-muslims.. That is because it is commanded to be done by the Koran..
Myself, I can not understand how she fails to see that massive difference..

Unless, as so often cited, Liberalism blinds its victim to ever accepting truth and facts that prove its follies... -Tyr

[NightTrain]

Now, NT, how many liberals do you know who are willing to educate themselves or believe anything they read (IF they read at all)?! And you're beating a dead horse if you think she'll ever believe you or anything that goes against the LIES and ignorance that she feels all too comfortable with. UNBELIEVABLY STUPID is an exact description of this "TEACHER".

She's been a lot better about the blatant trolling crap recently, but then she backslides and pulls stupid stunts like this.

You're probably right, I'm wasting my time and energy and Jim's bandwidth responding to ignorant posts like this.

[Gunny]

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Wafa al Bass (Wafa al-Biss, b. 1984) is a Palestinian Arab resident of Gaza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip) who was permitted to enter Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) for the purpose of being treated at an Israeli hospital in 2005. She wore a suicide bomb vest which she attempted to explode as she crossed into Israel via theErez Crossing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erez_Crossing).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-2)
Al Bass had been given permission to enter Israel to receive hospital treatment for severe burns. Guards at the crossing became suspicious and discovered that under her traditional black robes she had strapped a 22-pound bomb to her leg.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-3)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-4)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-5)
She was imprisoned for several years and released in the 2011 Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange).
Upon release from prison she immediately attained further notoriety by urging Gazans to “take another Shalit” every year until all convicted Arab terrorists held in Israeli prisons were freed.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-6) As schoolchildren gathered at her home in northern Gaza to welcome her home, she told them, "I hope you will walk the same path we took and God willing, we will see some of you as martyrs." [7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-7)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wafa_al_Bass#cite_note-8)

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It must SUCK to be an unsuccessful suicide bomber.:laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

She is setting an example they want the muslim women in USA to start following.
And very likely that idea will catch on if a few do it successfully here .
The Imams here are no better than the imams over there but quite possibly more restrained due to our laws and their greater since of caution and proper use of "timing".
If their man-in-hiding(bamboy) gives them a clear signal , they start acting IMHO...-TYR

[jimnyc]

What is the difference between the extreme factions of Christianity and the extreme factions of Islam?
Not much, if you think about it.


Ok, enough, this time you're answering...

I can rattle off a list of about 100 Islamic terror groups, responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths SINCE 9/11 ALONE. Can you please list some extremist Christianity factions that are performing similar acts? Don't backpeddle or pour your bullshit in here, nor disappear from the thread - either list these same groups in Christianity that are similar to Islamic terror groups, or admit you're trolling.

How is that list of groups and non-stop killings by Christians coming along? I saw you were online, but failed to respond - this must be a large list you're compiling. I'll continue to wait, and point out your trolling ways...

[gabosaurus]

How is that list of groups and non-stop killings by Christians coming along? I saw you were online, but failed to respond - this must be a large list you're compiling. I'll continue to wait, and point out your trolling ways...

You have answered your own question. It doesn't matter how many extremist factions there are. The answer is that they are ALL extremists and don't represent the opinion of the mainstream.
When you look at their general beliefs, there will little difference between Muslims and Christians. They both worship the same God. They are primarily peaceful.

[jimnyc]

You have answered your own question. It doesn't matter how many extremist factions there are. The answer is that they are ALL extremists and don't represent the opinion of the mainstream.
When you look at their general beliefs, there will little difference between Muslims and Christians. They both worship the same God. They are primarily peaceful.

You said there was not much of a difference between the 2. NOT ONLY do I not see a list of these radical Christian groups, I don't see a list of deaths/ Why is that? Oh, because what little knuckleheads there are, who may have killed a handful, are NOTHING comparable to the Islamic radicals who live and breathe for death and the death is committed daily. There is no huge faction desiring to kill as there is within Islam. And it's more than death, the extremism in Islam leads to severe subjugation of women, discrimination, beatings and of course the death. And like I said - hundreds of thousands of deaths in the past 13 years alone.

Maybe an extremely tiny amount of shitheads within Christianity in some African hellhole are in fact radicals. But where is the mass killing, daily, around the world, and the mistreatment of women, and 100 or more radicalilzed and developed groups looking to kill?

Sorry, I see very little in common. Unless you want to state that a very small handful in comparison to 100-500 million is somehow equal.

[stevecanuck]

The big red herring continues to jump out of the water and flap its gills.


How does a comparison of Christianity to Islam change anything when it comes to a discussion of the motives of ISIS? Really, what's the point?

[BoogyMan]

What is the difference between the extreme factions of Christianity and the extreme factions of Islam?
Not much, if you think about it.

Where do you see Christians consistently going out and murdering people in the name of their religion? More specifically, where does the New Testament tell Christians to murder in the name of God?

[Gunny]

Where do you see Christians consistently going out and murdering people in the name of their religion? More specifically, where does the New Testament tell Christians to murder in the name of God?

You referring to Charlemagne and his convert or die campaign in Europe? The Inquisitions? Or do you want to pick a Crusade?

[BoogyMan]

You referring to Charlemagne and his convert or die campaign in Europe? The Inquisitions? Or do you want to pick a Crusade?

So you have to go back how many centuries to make this work for you, good sir?

[jimnyc]

You referring to Charlemagne and his convert or die campaign in Europe? The Inquisitions? Or do you want to pick a Crusade?

Admittedly, there were some bad things that happened back then. But that was then, most of the world has become a little more civilized since then. The overwhelming majority of current day "deaths by religion" is owned by Islam. Maybe even more than that. This isn't to say that ALL Muslims are bad, but that in today's world, it's Islam that is somehow creating the most radicals that are willing to kill.

[Gunny]

Admittedly, there were some bad things that happened back then. But that was then, most of the world has become a little more civilized since then. The overwhelming majority of current day "deaths by religion" is owned by Islam. Maybe even more than that. This isn't to say that ALL Muslims are bad, but that in today's world, it's Islam that is somehow creating the most radicals that are willing to kill.

I'm not saying they're right. I'd say, unless there's someone new here, I'm the only one here that's faced THESE terrorists.

It's not death by Islam. It's death in the name of Islam by death dealers. These a-holes would have to get a job in a market if they weren't dealing death. Instead, they're getting oil money to support their crap, and we're arming rebels. But it's still convert or die by extremists.

want to really win this war? Nuke occupy and invade Saudi Arabia and Iran. If we can't or won't do that, then we need to pull everyone out and bring them home. Wasting bodies in a half-ass operation doesn't work for me. Let them kill each other. We can mop up what's left.

[jimnyc]

I'm not saying they're right. I'd say, unless there's someone new here, I'm the only one here that's faced THESE terrorists.

It's not death by Islam. It's death in the name of Islam by death dealers. These a-holes would have to get a job in a market if they weren't dealing death. Instead, they're getting oil money to support their crap, and we're arming rebels. But it's still convert or die by extremists.

want to really win this war? Nuke occupy and invade Saudi Arabia and Iran. If we can't or won't do that, then we need to pull everyone out and bring them home. Wasting bodies in a half-ass operation doesn't work for me. Let them kill each other. We can mop up what's left.

I think the point was, the comparison to current day Christian extremists. Even if these filth aren't representative of Islam, they are still basing their filth on Islam, even if no one likes it. No matter how you slice it, there is no comparison between those animals and Christians of today. Whether an appropriate interpretation of Christianity, or an extreme version, neither are out there today killing like the extremist groups coming from the Islamic nations.

[Gunny]

I think the point was, the comparison to current day Christian extremists. Even if these filth aren't representative of Islam, they are still basing their filth on Islam, even if no one likes it. No matter how you slice it, there is no comparison between those animals and Christians of today. Whether an appropriate interpretation of Christianity, or an extreme version, neither are out there today killing like the extremist groups coming from the Islamic nations.

I get the point. Christian extremists nowadays are marginal.

I guess my point is if you think I won't drop a hammer on those terrorists ... try again. They never let us old guys play though. We'd have this shit wrapped in a week, and that's including 3 days in port in Thailand.

The terrorists use the religion as an excuse. But we're letting them.

[gabosaurus]

The terrorists use the religion as an excuse. But we're letting them.

That is actually a very good point.

My entire point is that an extremist Christian sect is no different than an extremist Muslim sect. Doesn't matter how many of them exist or their combined casualty count. They both do not represent their religious faiths as a whole.
This "all Muslims are terrorists" BS reminds me of World War II. When the U.S. government decided that all Japanese living in America could not be trusted, regardless of how loyal they really were. So they were all rounded up and placed in interment camps.
Are some people so thick that they are unable to discern that every person is different? Or is it just easier to believe that every Muslim has terrorist sympathies?
If I brought my cousin over here from Germany, would it be fair her to assume that all Southerners live in trailer parks and knock up their daughters? That's the existing stereotype.
I know a lot of hateful idiots will continue to believe all Muslims are evil. And will refuse to change their views for any reason. But that's OK. Hitler believed the same thing about the Jews.

[NightTrain]

My entire point is that an extremist Christian sect is no different than an extremist Muslim sect. Doesn't matter how many of them exist or their combined casualty count. They both do not represent their religious faiths as a whole.


No different? Show me ONE FUCKING EXAMPLE of Christians beheading an unbeliever in 2014. Or 2000.

Or stoning someone to death.

Or hijacking an airplane.

Or suicide bombing.

Or willfully attacking civilian centers with indiscriminate explosive weapons.


Your argument is invalid. As usual.

[red state]

No different? Show me ONE FUCKING EXAMPLE of Christians beheading an unbeliever in 2014. Or 2000.
Or stoning someone to death.
Or hijacking an airplane.
Or suicide bombing.
Or willfully attacking civilian centers with indiscriminate explosive weapons.
Your argument is invalid. As usual.


Be careful, NT, the 'ignorant one' may pull a name out of her hat again......like Manson or Karesh who claimed to be some sort of authority or the CHRIST himself. HA!!!!

As for the crusades, one must know or, at least mention, ALL of history (or DETAILS) before spouting off about "so-called" Christians who were part of something that was NOT Christian. I hear the left spouting about Hitler and crew being Christian all the time but they are wrong.....just as anyone spouting off about Christians during the crusades are equally wrong. This 'Catholic' we know as Hitler was into the occults and other evils and only used Christianity as a ploy. Liberals often fail to mention the REAL Christians (many of whom were Catholic) who lost their lives and livelihood in protest of what Hitler was doing.

The fact is; during the crusades, before and after, REAL Christians were in the hot seat at the hand of early Catholics almost as heavily and/or just as heavily as the muSLUMs. Research it.....one can find truth if they look for it. Without criticizing Catholics of today, the early years of Catholicism were ruthless in their treatment of 'non-catholics' (be that group CHRISTian or non-Christian) and Catholicism was one of the reasons the Bible was kept from "THE PEOPLE". I call this something other than REAL Christianity and as NT has stated.....I'd also like to know where the headlines are that place Christianity at the helm of beheadings, rape and robbery as we've seen throughout the history of iSLUM till this very day. I'd say if a liberal can dig up 5 such stories.....any REAL conservative here could counter that with 5,000 such stories that shed iSLUM in its proper light.

Regardless of whether the early Catholics were good or bad.....right or wrong in how they went about confronting the evils of iSLUM that we STILL know to be true today, I'm glad they were what we need more of today when dealing with an enemy such as iSLUM. Say what you will about the French or mock them for being cowards or losers of wars......had it not been for the French, all of Europe may very well been speakers of the Arabic tongue.....just as Europe (and the entire world) could be speaking Germanic had it not been for the heroism of CHRISTIAN men (predominantly) who left the comfort of home and came to the rescue of the WORLD.

When spouting off the Bible (or history) one must cover ALL ground.....not just bits and pieces or what they've been told or heard or came across in some fashion. Study and then provide REAL history.

[Gunny]

No different? Show me ONE FUCKING EXAMPLE of Christians beheading an unbeliever in 2014. Or 2000.

Or stoning someone to death.

Or hijacking an airplane.

Or suicide bombing.

Or willfully attacking civilian centers with indiscriminate explosive weapons.


Your argument is invalid. As usual.

Her point is actually valid. Extremists are extremists. Doesn't matter what they call themselves if their actions are contrary to their stated beliefs. Trying to apply arbitrary, selective parameters to the issue doesn't fly. Christians have murdered millions in the name of Christianity. Those bodies didn't go away in 2014, nor 2000. There was nothing Christian about their behavior.

Shoe on the other foot .... what did we do in the 1700's about an occupying force in our country? The west has exploited the ME for centuries. Wouldn't you be kind of tired of having an Arab in your back yard telling you what to do and stealing your natural resources and charging you for it? I think we call that the American Revolution, right?

How about treason against our King?

No common sense nor logic applied. Western arrogance. We, the People can wage a war of terrorism against our own government (back when we had the balls to unlike now), and it's okay. But because we're so right and they're so wrong ... never mind it's none our damned business ... we can try to dictate to the rest of the world. Hypocrisy unbound. We don't practice what we preach. We ruin everything we touch.

[jimnyc]

Her point is actually valid. Extremists are extremists. Doesn't matter what they call themselves if their actions are contrary to their stated beliefs. Trying to apply arbitrary, selective parameters to the issue doesn't fly. Christians have murdered millions in the name of Christianity. Those bodies didn't go away in 2014, nor 2000. There was nothing Christian about their behavior.

Extremism is based on actions and beliefs - and Christians simply don't engage in that animal like behavior today, that the Muslim extremists live and breath still. There has GOT to be a reason that there are literally countless GROUPS of extremists within Islam - and one can barely count the same in Christianity. And it DOES matter that TODAY - there are deaths DAILY by Islamic extremists, and this is simply NOT happening from Christians.

Heads being cut off makes a difference. Being stoned to death makes a difference. Being executed in the hundreds makes a difference. Killing entire towns to try and form a caliphate makes a difference. Discriminating at the national level makes a difference. Subjugation makes a difference. Death for petty crimes that would get you a fine at best elsewhere, makes a difference.

Admittedly, Christians killed in the past, but the subject is today. Those folks aren't here and aren't a harm to life as we know it - Islamic extremism IS a threat right now. There really is no comparison, not unless this is a history class and we want to entertain the past, which I really didn't think this was about.

Other cultures and religions have evolved and became civilized, and Islam is exactly where it started at in the beginning - and in some places they are trying to reverse time and go back there.

You have an extremist that goes and pickets a funeral, tells people that God hates gays. This is always an example brought up. How many have they cut heads off of?
You have groups that cut off heads and are murderous thugs, taking over towns killing everyone in sight and terrorizing Christians.

Sorry, but there is literally no comparison between the two, not in today's world, not in the slightest.

[Gaffer]

Her point is actually valid. Extremists are extremists. Doesn't matter what they call themselves if their actions are contrary to their stated beliefs. Trying to apply arbitrary, selective parameters to the issue doesn't fly. Christians have murdered millions in the name of Christianity. Those bodies didn't go away in 2014, nor 2000. There was nothing Christian about their behavior.

Shoe on the other foot .... what did we do in the 1700's about an occupying force in our country? The west has exploited the ME for centuries. Wouldn't you be kind of tired of having an Arab in your back yard telling you what to do and stealing your natural resources and charging you for it? I think we call that the American Revolution, right?

How about treason against our King?

No common sense nor logic applied. Western arrogance. We, the People can wage a war of terrorism against our own government (back when we had the balls to unlike now), and it's okay. But because we're so right and they're so wrong ... never mind it's none our damned business ... we can try to dictate to the rest of the world. Hypocrisy unbound. We don't practice what we preach. We ruin everything we touch.

150 years ago the US had slavery. By your logic all folks today are slave owners and should be condemn for what people did in the past. There's only one group that continues it's past actions and that's muslims. They have not come out of that 7th century mindset. And I do lump all of them together. The scum floats to the top but the rest of the water holds it up and feeds it.

The Japanese had Shinto. They believed the emperor was a god. They didn't practice Buddhism as a whole. Shinto was outlawed after WW2 in Japan.

And before you start your attacks and threats remember, I AM a combat veteran. Been there done that. But for the purposes of this post it doesn't make any difference. So puffing out your chest with words won't get you anywhere except maybe a trip to the ER because your blood pressure went through the roof.

[red state]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
150 years ago the US had slavery. By your logic all folks today are slave owners and should be condemn for what people did in the past. There's only one group that continues it's past actions and that's muslims. They have not come out of that 7th century mindset. And I do lump all of them together. The scum floats to the top but the rest of the water holds it up and feeds it.

The Japanese had Shinto. They believed the emperor was a god. They didn't practice Buddhism as a whole. Shinto was outlawed after WW2 in Japan.

And before you start your attacks and threats remember, I AM a combat veteran. Been there done that. But for the purposes of this post it doesn't make any difference. So puffing out your chest with words won't get you anywhere except maybe a trip to the ER because your blood pressure went through the roof.:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Nuff said!!!!!:clap:

[DLT]

She is setting an example they want the muslim women in USA to start following.
And very likely that idea will catch on if a few do it successfully here .
The Imams here are no better than the imams over there but quite possibly more restrained due to our laws and their greater since of caution and proper use of "timing".
If their man-in-hiding(bamboy) gives them a clear signal , they start acting IMHO...-TYR

Just imagine an America where.....

you can't even go to the local grocery store (Walmart) without worrying about some idiot muzzie radical wearing a bomb into the store and 'detonating it for Allah'.

It's coming. Leftie policies of no racial or cultural profiling and political correctness will ensure (if not enable and encourage) it.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap:

Nuff said!!!!!:clap:

TRUE DAT.....- :laugh:--TYR

[gabosaurus]

Ok, enough, this time you're answering...

I can rattle off a list of about 100 Islamic terror groups, responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths SINCE 9/11 ALONE. Can you please list some extremist Christianity factions that are performing similar acts? Don't backpeddle or pour your bullshit in here, nor disappear from the thread - either list these same groups in Christianity that are similar to Islamic terror groups, or admit you're trolling.

No one is trolling. You are trying to make one point and I am trying to make another. Your point is that more than 100 individual terror groups outweigh a handful of extremist Christianity factors. Which is true. MY point is that none of them, on either side, represent the true values of their religion.
It doesn't matter is there are thousands of extremist Islamic groups. Truth is, none of them bear any resemblance to the millions of peaceful Muslims in the world. Just as the relatively small number of pedophile Catholic priests doesn't represent the thousands who do a wonderful job leading their congregations each week.
All I am trying to get you (and others) to do and stop painting a large group of people with a broad, hateful brush. Which you continue to do because of extreme personal prejudice.

[Gunny]

Just imagine an America where.....

you can't even go to the local grocery store (Walmart) without worrying about some idiot muzzie radical wearing a bomb into the store and 'detonating it for Allah'.

It's coming. Leftie policies of no racial or cultural profiling and political correctness will ensure (if not enable and encourage) it.


TRUE DAT.....- :laugh:--TYR


I think the point was, the comparison to current day Christian extremists. Even if these filth aren't representative of Islam, they are still basing their filth on Islam, even if no one likes it. No matter how you slice it, there is no comparison between those animals and Christians of today. Whether an appropriate interpretation of Christianity, or an extreme version, neither are out there today killing like the extremist groups coming from the Islamic nations.

Art of War... know your enemy and fight him where he lives.

[jimnyc]

No one is trolling. You are trying to make one point and I am trying to make another. Your point is that more than 100 individual terror groups outweigh a handful of extremist Christianity factors. Which is true. MY point is that none of them, on either side, represent the true values of their religion.
It doesn't matter is there are thousands of extremist Islamic groups. Truth is, none of them bear any resemblance to the millions of peaceful Muslims in the world. Just as the relatively small number of pedophile Catholic priests doesn't represent the thousands who do a wonderful job leading their congregations each week.
All I am trying to get you (and others) to do and stop painting a large group of people with a broad, hateful brush. Which you continue to do because of extreme personal prejudice.

I paint the radicals with a large brush, because there is a large amount of them. And when I post, I post with facts. You can call it prejudice all you like, but it's still backed up by facts when I post. I have issues with terrorism, mass discrimination of women, subjugation of women, death penalty for petty crimes, lashings/whipping or even stoning for what would be petty crimes elsewhere. When I make a thread, or supporting post, I try to include articles and irrefutable facts when discussing these things. You always call it hate, no matter how many facts are included. Feel free to do so if I'm condemning an innocent person, but if calling out the list above is a "hateful brush" or you think it makes me hateful, well then tough shit on you. There are anywhere from 100-500 million radicalized Muslims out there. If an when any of them are involved in the shit that pisses me off, I will post to condemn it.

Numbers and deaths DO matter. YOU want to compare the 2 "groups". Christianity is nowhere in the same universe when it comes to terrorism, death & destruction. Just because they don't represent the hundreds of millions who are peaceful - doesn't mean they don't exist - nor does the astronomical difference in numbers change. Sure, ignore the death and destruction, and then look at the similarities. Personally, I think the death and destruction they commit, and in the monstrous numbers, makes a pretty significant difference.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post

Her point is actually valid. Extremists are extremists. Doesn't matter what they call themselves if their actions are contrary to their stated beliefs. Trying to apply arbitrary, selective parameters to the issue doesn't fly. Christians have murdered millions in the name of Christianity. Those bodies didn't go away in 2014, nor 2000. There was nothing Christian about their behavior.

Shoe on the other foot .... what did we do in the 1700's about an occupying force in our country? The west has exploited the ME for centuries. Wouldn't you be kind of tired of having an Arab in your back yard telling you what to do and stealing your natural resources and charging you for it? I think we call that the American Revolution, right?

How about treason against our King?

No common sense nor logic applied. Western arrogance. We, the People can wage a war of terrorism against our own government (back when we had the balls to unlike now), and it's okay. But because we're so right and they're so wrong ... never mind it's none our damned business ... we can try to dictate to the rest of the world. Hypocrisy unbound. We don't practice what we preach. We ruin everything we touch.




150 years ago the US had slavery. By your logic all folks today are slave owners and should be condemn for what people did in the past. There's only one group that continues it's past actions and that's muslims. They have not come out of that 7th century mindset. And I do lump all of them together. The scum floats to the top but the rest of the water holds it up and feeds it.

The Japanese had Shinto. They believed the emperor was a god. They didn't practice Buddhism as a whole. Shinto was outlawed after WW2 in Japan.

And before you start your attacks and threats remember, I AM a combat veteran. Been there done that. But for the purposes of this post it doesn't make any difference. So puffing out your chest with words won't get you anywhere except maybe a trip to the ER because your blood pressure went through the roof.


The Japanese had Shinto. They believed the emperor was a god. They didn't practice Buddhism as a whole. Shinto was outlawed after WW2 in Japan.


I'll give it a shot at answering if nobody else will.

The Japanese practiced the Art of War during that period not any part of a peaceful religion(Buddhism)--- despite false claims that foolishly state otherwise..
The entire nation was geared for total war and murdered over a million civilians in China alone.
So despite the fact it was an attempt at trying to excuse modern wholesale murder by the Islamists today by citing historic wars there is the fact its inaccurate to boot by citing the Japanese were practicing BUDDHISTS during that period.

They were actually Shinto...


In modern scholarship, the term is often used with reference to kami worship and related theologies, rituals and practices. In these contexts, "Shinto" takes on the meaning of "Japan's traditional religion", as opposed to foreign religions such as Christianity, Buddhism, and so forth

A comparison fail plain and simple IMHO.. -Tyr

[Gunny]

Extremism is based on actions and beliefs - and Christians simply don't engage in that animal like behavior today, that the Muslim extremists live and breath still. There has GOT to be a reason that there are literally countless GROUPS of extremists within Islam - and one can barely count the same in Christianity. And it DOES matter that TODAY - there are deaths DAILY by Islamic extremists, and this is simply NOT happening from Christians.

Heads being cut off makes a difference. Being stoned to death makes a difference. Being executed in the hundreds makes a difference. Killing entire towns to try and form a caliphate makes a difference. Discriminating at the national level makes a difference. Subjugation makes a difference. Death for petty crimes that would get you a fine at best elsewhere, makes a difference.

Admittedly, Christians killed in the past, but the subject is today. Those folks aren't here and aren't a harm to life as we know it - Islamic extremism IS a threat right now. There really is no comparison, not unless this is a history class and we want to entertain the past, which I really didn't think this was about.

Other cultures and religions have evolved and became civilized, and Islam is exactly where it started at in the beginning - and in some places they are trying to reverse time and go back there.

You have an extremist that goes and pickets a funeral, tells people that God hates gays. This is always an example brought up. How many have they cut heads off of?
You have groups that cut off heads and are murderous thugs, taking over towns killing everyone in sight and terrorizing Christians.

Sorry, but there is literally no comparison between the two, not in today's world, not in the slightest.

I see. We don't anymore and our arrogance makes it okay to force it on those that don't believe what we tell them to.

Remember what I told you in PM? Look at your thanks. I hope I didn't miss any one of them. :)

[gabosaurus]

There are anywhere from 100-500 million radicalized Muslims out there.

I want to see your proof on this. Because I know you can't prove it. In fact, I will proclaim this a complete falsehood.

I can say that there are anywhere from one to five million brain dead Republicans out there. But I won't because I can't prove it. And I am not stupid enough to make a statement that I can't prove.

[aboutime]

I want to see your proof on this. Because I know you can't prove it. In fact, I will proclaim this a complete falsehood.

I can say that there are anywhere from one to five million brain dead Republicans out there. But I won't because I can't prove it. And I am not stupid enough to make a statement that I can't prove.


Gabby. Yes, you are. Your entire rant above proves your last line is false.

[jimnyc]

I want to see your proof on this. Because I know you can't prove it. In fact, I will proclaim this a complete falsehood.

I can say that there are anywhere from one to five million brain dead Republicans out there. But I won't because I can't prove it. And I am not stupid enough to make a statement that I can't prove.

Already posted here. Also, try doing a search on Google for 'percentage radical muslims'. Anyway...


A new Gallup poll is being touted as a “challenge” to western misperceptions of Islam. The survey was done on three continents and took six years to complete, and as the French news agency AFP reports, we’ve all been a little alarmist over here: “About 93 percent of the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims are moderates and only seven percent are politically radical, according to the poll, based on more than 50,000 interviews.”

Seven percent of 1.3 billion leaves us with . . . 91 million radical Islamists. And to think we were concerned! That piddling handful is nothing that can’t be taken care of with a little dialogue, a few billion in American aid, and some proper education. I’m feeling audaciously hopeful.

The guy in charge of the 6 year, 3 continent polling:


John L. Esposito, Ph.D., is a leading expert on the Muslim world. He is University Professor and a professor of religion and international affairs and of Islamic studies at Georgetown University and the founding director of Georgetown's Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding in the Walsh School of Foreign Service. He is also the past president of the Middle East Studies Association of North America and of the American Council for the Study of Islamic Societies and a consultant to governments and multinational corporations. Esposito is editor in chief of The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Modern Islamic World and Oxford Islamic Studies Online. His more than 35 books include What Everyone Needs to Know About Islam and Unholy War: Terror in the Name of Islam. He currently resides in Washington, D.C., with his wife, Jeanette P. Esposito, Ph.D.

Now figure in that the population is now about 2 - 2.5 billion? That number almost doubles. There's a LOT more out there and many think it may be actually anywhere from 15-25%.

Oh, and a brain dead republican would still make you look like the fucking dolt you are. Any more stupid questions? Of course you'll just deny anyway, but I too would deny it if I just made an ass out of myself again, for the 654,987th time.

[jimnyc]

Another fine example:

In a 2007 Pew Research poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified,[22]

19% of Muslims in France believed it could be justified rarely, and 6% thought it could be justified often.
25% of Muslims in Egypt in Turkey it could be justified rarely, and 8% thought it could be justified rarely.
9% of Muslims in Britain believed it could be justified rarely, and 3% thought it could be justified rarely.
6% of Muslims in Germany believed it could be justified rarely, and 1% thought it could be justified rarely.
9% of Muslims in Spain believed it could be justified rarely, and 6% thought it could be justified rarely.
9% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could be justified rarely, and 3% thought it could be justified rarely.
28% of Muslims in Jordan in Turkey believed it could be justified rarely, and 5% thought it could be justified rarely.
23% of Muslims in Nigeria in Turkey believed it could be justified rarely, and 8% thought it could be justified rarely.
8% of Muslims in Pakistan in Turkey believed it could be justified rarely, and 7% thought it could be justified rarely.
18% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could be justified rarely, and 2% thought it could be justified rarely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism

[PixieStix]

Her point is actually valid. Extremists are extremists. Doesn't matter what they call themselves if their actions are contrary to their stated beliefs. Trying to apply arbitrary, selective parameters to the issue doesn't fly. Christians have murdered millions in the name of Christianity. Those bodies didn't go away in 2014, nor 2000. There was nothing Christian about their behavior.

Shoe on the other foot .... what did we do in the 1700's about an occupying force in our country? The west has exploited the ME for centuries. Wouldn't you be kind of tired of having an Arab in your back yard telling you what to do and stealing your natural resources and charging you for it? I think we call that the American Revolution, right?

How about treason against our King?

No common sense nor logic applied. Western arrogance. We, the People can wage a war of terrorism against our own government (back when we had the balls to unlike now), and it's okay. But because we're so right and they're so wrong ... never mind it's none our damned business ... we can try to dictate to the rest of the world. Hypocrisy unbound. We don't practice what we preach. We ruin everything we touch.


Western arrogance?
So everything is America's fault?

You don't know much about Christians do you? Christians reach around the world to help people. But you want to condemn America and Christians and give a pass the islamic terrorists?

[PixieStix]

I see. We don't anymore and our arrogance makes it okay to force it on those that don't believe what we tell them to.


So forcing them to stop picking on innocent people is a bad thing?

They murder at random. And let's not forget that many of their victims are muslims, that didn't act muslim enough. Forced to live in a sea of shit with their little innocent enslavers

[PixieStix]

I asked you sincere questions, if you don't want to answer them, that is fine. No need in making it personal.

So, since I disagree with your opinions, then I am Fing with you? I do just fine by myself thank you

[PixieStix]

FYI Gunny. I know a lot about Islam. I tried for years to find some redeeming qualities. I looked and I looked. I studied to the point of Obsession. The only thing I found is that Islam is a religion that enslaves it's believers. And murders the non believers and polytheists.

It makes me sick to even think about reading any more of it's filth. It enslaves women and makes the world a more dangerous place.

If you think I am a hater for that, then so be it. If you disrespect people for stating their beliefs, based on what they actually know, then I don't know what to tell you. My sister in law was murdered for walking to church. So don't give me this "bring it" bullshit

[Gunny]

FYI Gunny. I know a lot about Islam. I tried for years to find some redeeming qualities. I looked and I looked. I studied to the point of Obsession. The only thing I found is that Islam is a religion that enslaves it's believers. And murders the non believers and polytheists.

It makes me sick to even think about reading any more of it's filth. It enslaves women and makes the world a more dangerous place.

If you think I am a hater for that, then so be it. If you disrespect people for stating their beliefs, based on what they actually know, then I don't know what to tell you. My sister in law was murdered for walking to church. So don't give me this "bring it" bullshit

I disrespect stupidity.

I disrespect idiots for stating wrote srcipt when they don't know what they're talking about.

[gabosaurus]

Now figure in that the population is now about 2 - 2.5 billion? That number almost doubles. There's a LOT more out there and many think it may be actually anywhere from 15-25%.

Oh, and a brain dead republican would still make you look like the fucking dolt you are. Any more stupid questions? Of course you'll just deny anyway, but I too would deny it if I just made an ass out of myself again, for the 654,987th time.

Thanks for the research stats. The current Muslim population is thought to be between 1.3 and 1.8 billion.
I can't see there being 60 million members of terrorist groups though. Or even that many who support it.

[jimnyc]

Thanks for the research stats. The current Muslim population is thought to be between 1.3 and 1.8 billion.
I can't see there being 60 million members of terrorist groups though. Or even that many who support it.

Here's a crappy looking page, but all stats show over 2 billion - http://www.usislam.org/MuslimStatistics/World-Muslim-Population2014.htm

Anyway, pages go from 23% of the world's population and anywhere from 1.6 billion as late as 2009 and over 2 billion today. As for what they support, do a simple search. While you may see large numbers against terrorism, attacks, discrimination.... you will ALWAYS find that the minority numbers to be anywhere from 10-40 percent, which is HUGE. Take out terrorism and leave just sharia the way it treats women currently, stonings, blasphemy laws and all the other antiquated crap and watch those numbers skyrocket. Too many areas WANT that radical interpretations of Sharia. I can post videos all day long if you like, as well as stories, facts & stats.

Again, are ALL Muslims this way? Of course not. But the percentage of Muslims supporting extremist ways, and strict sharia interpretations which lead to death and discrimination - is huge.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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Quote Originally Posted by Gunny View Post

Her point is actually valid. Extremists are extremists. Doesn't matter what they call themselves if their actions are contrary to their stated beliefs. Trying to apply arbitrary, selective parameters to the issue doesn't fly. Christians have murdered millions in the name of Christianity. Those bodies didn't go away in 2014, nor 2000. There was nothing Christian about their behavior.

Shoe on the other foot .... what did we do in the 1700's about an occupying force in our country? The west has exploited the ME for centuries. Wouldn't you be kind of tired of having an Arab in your back yard telling you what to do and stealing your natural resources and charging you for it? I think we call that the American Revolution, right?

How about treason against our King?

No common sense nor logic applied. Western arrogance. We, the People can wage a war of terrorism against our own government (back when we had the balls to unlike now), and it's okay. But because we're so right and they're so wrong ... never mind it's none our damned business ... we can try to dictate to the rest of the world. Hypocrisy unbound. We don't practice what we preach. We ruin everything we touch.







Quote Originally Posted by Gaffer View Post

150 years ago the US had slavery. By your logic all folks today are slave owners and should be condemn for what people did in the past. There's only one group that continues it's past actions and that's muslims. They have not come out of that 7th century mindset. And I do lump all of them together. The scum floats to the top but the rest of the water holds it up and feeds it.

The Japanese had Shinto. They believed the emperor was a god. They didn't practice Buddhism as a whole. Shinto was outlawed after WW2 in Japan.

And before you start your attacks and threats remember, I AM a combat veteran. Been there done that. But for the purposes of this post it doesn't make any difference. So puffing out your chest with words won't get you anywhere except maybe a trip to the ER because your blood pressure went through the roof.




The Japanese had Shinto. They believed the emperor was a god. They didn't practice Buddhism as a whole. Shinto was outlawed after WW2 in Japan.







Tyr wrote
I'll give it a shot at answering if nobody else will.

The Japanese practiced the Art of War during that period not any part of a peaceful religion(Buddhism)--- despite false claims that foolishly state otherwise..
The entire nation was geared for total war and murdered over a million civilians in China alone.
So despite the fact it was an attempt at trying to excuse modern wholesale murder by the Islamists today by citing historic wars there is the fact its inaccurate to boot by citing the Japanese were practicing BUDDHISTS during that period.

They were actually Shinto...





In modern scholarship, the term is often used with reference to kami worship and related theologies, rituals and practices. In these contexts, "Shinto" takes on the meaning of "Japan's traditional religion", as opposed to foreign religions such as Christianity, Buddhism, and so forth A comparison fail plain and simple IMHO.. -Tyr

Bump...

[Drummond]

What is the difference between the extreme factions of Christianity and the extreme factions of Islam?
Not much, if you think about it.

JIHAD is enshrined in Islam as a revered part of it .. indeed, I'd argue (who wouldn't ?) that it's the very backbone of Islam which keeps it as savage a creed that it is.

So tell me of the equivalence in Christianity, then. Tell me of present-day CHRISTIAN 'Jihads'. Tell us, if you can, that 'Jihad' even EXISTS in Christianity as it does in Islam.

I await your attempt at an apologist answer ...

[Drummond]

I get the point. Christian extremists nowadays are marginal.

I guess my point is if you think I won't drop a hammer on those terrorists ... try again. They never let us old guys play though. We'd have this shit wrapped in a week, and that's including 3 days in port in Thailand.

The terrorists use the religion as an excuse. But we're letting them.

... An excuse ?

How come, then, that so MANY of them just 'happen' to have latched on to precisely the SAME excuse ?

Pure coincidence ?

If really 'an excuse', can you explain how that works ?

[gabosaurus]

JIHAD is enshrined in Islam as a revered part of it .. indeed, I'd argue (who wouldn't ?) that it's the very backbone of Islam which keeps it as savage a creed that it is.


To understand the concept of Jihad, you first have to understand what it really is. And what it is not.

http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9

[aboutime]

JIHAD is enshrined in Islam as a revered part of it .. indeed, I'd argue (who wouldn't ?) that it's the very backbone of Islam which keeps it as savage a creed that it is.

So tell me of the equivalence in Christianity, then. Tell me of present-day CHRISTIAN 'Jihads'. Tell us, if you can, that 'Jihad' even EXISTS in Christianity as it does in Islam.

I await your attempt at an apologist answer ...



Sir Drummond. I find this very interesting view of gabby to be informative as well. It tends to make me wonder how members of her family would react IF...they came home to gabby's house, and found a BLACK ISIS FLAG planted on the front lawn....next to the Severed Head of the Terrorist Loving Gabby?

[PixieStix]

To understand the concept of Jihad, you first have to understand what it really is. And what it is not.

http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9

What it is to ISIS and other terrorist groups seems to have the upper hand. Because Jihad as a warrior will get you the ultimate reward. But if you stay home and take care of your family. Not so much

An article by Daniel Pipes from 2002

http://www.danielpipes.org/990/what-is-jihad

It means the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims.

The purpose of jihad, in other words, is not directly to spread the Islamic faith but to extend sovereign Muslim power (faith, of course, often follows the flag). Jihad is thus unabashedly offensive in nature, with the eventual goal of achieving Muslim dominion over the entire globe.

Jihad did have two variant meanings through the centuries, one more radical, one less so. The first holds that Muslims who interpret their faith differently are infidels and therefore legitimate targets of jihad. (This is why Algerians, Egyptians and Afghans have found themselves, like Americans and Israelis, so often the victims of jihadist aggression.) The second meaning, associated with mystics, rejects the legal definition of jihad as armed conflict and tells Muslims to withdraw from the worldly concerns to achieve spiritual depth.




Another narration in Muslim is: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Let one of every two men go forth", and added: "Whoever stays behind (and looks well after the family and the property of those who have joined the expedition) will get half the reward of the warrior."


وعن أبي سعيد الخدري رضي الله عنه أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم بعث إلى بني لحيان، فقال‏:‏ ‏ "‏لا ينبعث من كل رجلين أحدهما، والأجر بينهما‏"‏ ‏(‏‏(‏رواه مسلم‏)‏‏)‏‏.‏

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Sunnah.com reference
: Book 12, Hadith 25


Arabic/English book reference
: Book 12, Hadith 1309

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[Gunny]

FYI Gunny. I know a lot about Islam. I tried for years to find some redeeming qualities. I looked and I looked. I studied to the point of Obsession. The only thing I found is that Islam is a religion that enslaves it's believers. And murders the non believers and polytheists.

It makes me sick to even think about reading any more of it's filth. It enslaves women and makes the world a more dangerous place.

If you think I am a hater for that, then so be it. If you disrespect people for stating their beliefs, based on what they actually know, then I don't know what to tell you. My sister in law was murdered for walking to church. So don't give me this "bring it" bullshit

FYI Pix. I know what you know, and you know I know it. It ain't a secret. So let's go from there.

I'm not defending Islam. I'm saying their religious war is none of our damned business. And yes, Western arrogance creates that. My God, how could ANYONE have a war and not want us meddling in the middle of it and telling them how to lose it?

You think they're bad? Couple that arrogance with the fact we have only self-interest at heart -- who controls the -- oil, I'm not seeing anything righteous about it. Our own culture sucks. Yet we choose continually to try and superimpose it on people who don't even understand the ideal of democracy.

We're just wasting people. They're not going to stop fighting us, and they aren't going to stop fighting each other. Let them kill each other off.

[BoogyMan]

Jim Jones rejected Christianity. I have pointed this out to you MANY times and you continue to post this lie. Each time you lose more credibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones




Jim Jones was was a solid Christian , deep in its faith and practicing it as is required...

He did not hide it to placate western sensibilities and delusions...

Jones felt outsiders failed to believe that his views represented CHRISTIANITY.

A lot of gullible people believed his propaganda. Now they are dead.

http://i.imgur.com/GzS54AD.jpg

[Gunny]

Doesn't matter what he claimed to be. His actions were not Christian. Actions speak louder than words.

[aboutime]

Jim Jones rejected Christianity. I have pointed this out to you MANY times and you continue to post this lie. Each time you lose more credibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones


BoogyMan. You should know by now. Gabby is just defending her relatives. Which explains all of her attempts to fabricate, and change the context of nearly everyone she always must disagree with here.