Question

[Abbey Marie]

At least where I live, there are very few Conservatives, especially among us women. Dems are quite vocal about what they think of Conservatives. Greedy, selfish, uncaring, especially about children; the list goes on. Some of these characteristics go against the very nature of women, or at least, against how they like to be seen.

Given all that, what does it take for a female to identify as Conservative?

[aboutime]

Abbey. Though I will be ignored, and perhaps; laughed at, as usual. My answer to your question is rather simple.

Doesn't really matter what LABEL anyone cares to apply to women, or men. Seems to me. Based on personal experience over many, many years. I can almost instantly tell when speaking to both women, and men. Their knowledge, honesty, and willingness to seek out their own sources of information....based on Honesty, rather than Hearsay. And, can't forget how easy it is to tell the difference when Liberals rely on using the name calling, and accusations, unlike Conservatives who try to always use accurate, honest information which THEY NEVER NEED TO PROVE, or remember...since the Truth Never Changes...but Liberal Lies have to be UPDATED.

[Abbey Marie]

Thanks for replying, AT. While I don't think we can generalize to that extent, as there are some name-calling Conservatives, there is a lot of truth in your statement.

I just think that there is a bigger price to pay for women identifying as Conservative. Just look at how the media villifies Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, etc. You have to come to the internet to see anything like that happening against Dem women.

[Baba Booey]

Thanks for replying, AT. While I don't think we can generalize to that extent, as there are some name-calling Conservatives, there is a lot of truth in your statement.

I just think that there is a bigger price to pay for women identifying as Conservative. Just look at how the media villifies Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palin, etc. You have to come to the internet to see anything like that happening against Dem women.

You must not listen to much conservative radio.

[Abbey Marie]

You must not listen to much conservative radio.

Not much. Just Andrew Wilkow, and he talks more about economics than anything else. Do you think they go after liberal women to the same extent? Also, I assume liberal radio would be right there, so they would cancel each other out. What can compare to the major networks and the large newspapers?

Anyway, my original point was more about the effect of people you actually know/live nearby knowing you are a Conservative woman.

[Baba Booey]

Not much. Just Andrew Wilkow, and he talks more about economics than anything else. Do you think they go after liberal women to the same extent? also, I assume liberal radio would be right there, so they would cancel each other out. what can compare to the major networks and the large newspapers?

Anyway, my original point was more about the effect of people you actually know/live near knowing you are a Conservative woman.

Well, considering RW talk radio dominates the ratings I'd say they're a pretty major contributor to the demonization of liberal women. IMO, beyond cancelling each other out I think liberal women fare worse in the media which includes conservative talk radio.

Where do you see conservative women getting trashed? I'm not suggesting they're not, just curious where you see this.

Being that I'm not a women (wait, checking... yeah, it's still there) I'm not really qualified to answer that question beyond a general statement that pretty much my or anyone elses that I know, our political position really doesn't impact our day-to-day goings on.

[aboutime]

Well, considering RW talk radio dominates the ratings I'd say they're a pretty major contributor to the demonization of liberal women. IMO, beyond cancelling each other out I think liberal women fare worse in the media which includes conservative talk radio.

Where do you see conservative women getting trashed? I'm not suggesting they're not, just curious where you see this.

Being that I'm not a women (wait, checking... yeah, it's still there) I'm not really qualified to answer that question beyond a general statement that pretty much my or anyone elses that I know, our political position really doesn't impact our day-to-day goings on.


Baba. When you consider WHO those liberal women are. It seems they do a fine job, on their own in the demonizing game. Just consider liberal women like Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Debby Wasserman Schultz for starters. Truth is. Just those THREE liberal women are the ones who constantly make the accusations about Conservatives having a WAR on Women.
As for conservative women getting trashed. Try any of the Alphabet networks, and the number one PMSNBC network that thrives on demeaning women who don't dance to their Liberal tunes, or conservative women who expose them with TRUTH.

[Baba Booey]

Baba. When you consider WHO those liberal women are. It seems they do a fine job, on their own in the demonizing game. Just consider liberal women like Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Debby Wasserman Schultz for starters. Truth is. Just those THREE liberal women are the ones who constantly make the accusations about Conservatives having a WAR on Women.
As for conservative women getting trashed. Try any of the Alphabet networks, and the number one PMSNBC network that thrives on demeaning women who don't dance to their Liberal tunes, or conservative women who expose them with TRUTH.

Is that a draw play right out of the RWNJ handbook?

:laugh:

Well, you did accomplish mentioning several liberal women who are oft demonized by right wing media, at least you got that part right.

So there's absolutely no kookery factor to Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin?

The topic was conservative women, they get beat up all the time but it's ok to beat up liberal women. I know how this conversation goes, it's pretty stale to be honest.

[revelarts]

I hear you Abby, frankly i've never considered the idea that women might be shy about admitting they are conservative. But sure, i can see your point, conservatism is painted as dark, ugly and masculine by the MSM and culture in general.
the whole compassionate conservative PR thing never quite caught on back in 80'n 90's.
leaves women to just to decide to be honest with themselves and do what they think is 'right' despite the BS.

And do i think, liberal women in politics don't get the same kind of crap that conservative women do.
Pelosi gets called on her political lying while Palin get crap over hunting, her family, being in a beauty pageant, her faith, playing a musical instrument, her clothes and her husband AS WELL as her political views.
Wassermann Schulz, Mossoly Buan and Fienstien get crap for crazy left wing ideas and comments, But Bachmann and gets it from other quarters as well.

Among Republican's worse hits on democratic women have been against Michelle Obama, calling her a man and a monkey. Never heard much worse than that. Clinton's old Attorney General Janet Reno was called a man as well a few times. and I think Obama's Homeland Security chief has been as well. Hillary has been called Unattractive in a 100 ways by conservatives. It's gutter politics

Ann Colture's caught the "MAN" jibe from the left as well though. and been called "mean".

But Elizabeth hasslebeck is a great role model for many conservative women in general. She's far to much party line R for my taste but shes sincere, polite and VERY feminine. the other "view" women don't/can't really do much to make her look mean, unlady like or the other adjectives you used.

[aboutime]

Is that a draw play right out of the RWNJ handbook?

:laugh:

Well, you did accomplish mentioning several liberal women who are oft demonized by right wing media, at least you got that part right.

So there's absolutely no kookery factor to Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin?

The topic was conservative women, they get beat up all the time but it's ok to beat up liberal women. I know how this conversation goes, it's pretty stale to be honest.


Baba. Wherever you are trying, or intend to take this completely useless topic is....all your's.
Are you just looking for an argument, or do you have something important you intended to say after the patronization?
You can say, think, and do whatever you like with this.
I'm not gonna bite.

[Gunny]

At least where I live, there are very few Conservatives, especially among us women. Dems are quite vocal about what they think of Conservatives. Greedy, selfish, uncaring, especially about children; the list goes on. Some of these characteristics go against the very nature of women, or at least, against how they like to be seen.

Given all that, what does it take for a female to identify as Conservative?

Not real sure to answer that. "Conservative" is a political philosophy, not a gender issue. The difference I see is left wing woman are what you basically posted without saying it: big mouths with no regard for what anyone else around them believes nor for anyone else's feelings, and they love to make blanket accusations. They claim to believe in a political philosophy they long ago abandoned.

Conservatives are, well, conservative. It's a verb as well as a noun. :)

[fj1200]

At least where I live, there are very few Conservatives, especially among us women. Dems are quite vocal about what they think of Conservatives. Greedy, selfish, uncaring, especially about children; the list goes on. Some of these characteristics go against the very nature of women, or at least, against how they like to be seen.

Given all that, what does it take for a female to identify as Conservative?

I think those two words are key, "quite vocal." No matter who it is anyone who is vocal is going to shout down the other side no matter their capabilities in discussing anything. I saw an article the other day about Krugman and Senator Warren having some gabfest on stage and you just know that they weren't going to discuss anything more than leftie :eek: Dem talking point lines. I think that they pretty much had to one up each other with Krugman bleating out some line about the Republicans wanting to take us back to 1894.

But other than that it's just where you live. I live in a D neighborhood in an R state and don't really here that sort of stuff on a day-to-day basis.

[red state]

The difference I see is the attack on Conservative women by using LIES and other tactics (such as porn) to shut down the voice of women who DARE stand up for America and speak the truth. I say this because I've seen Conservative women misquoted, ridiculed for exposing certain things, speaking their mind and we've even heard Conservative women called the C word. Just look at how Palin was portrayed in SNL and with all the trashy photoshopped images and "look-a-likes" within the porn industry. The same thing may have been done to liberal women but I've not seen or heard of it so the burden of proof is on a liberal to produce this evidence. One thing is for certain; there is no shortage of evidence in Conservative women being abused by the left.

As for the accusations the left may make of Conservative attacking liberal women, the truth is not an attack. SIMPLE. From what I've seen, heard and read from these "so-called" attacks that the left cry about all the time comes from the threat lefties fear whenever their anti-Americanism is exposed. When truth and facts about the dangerous, and usually hateful, words that come from women leadership on the LEFT/wrong side of things, the liberals cry foul. Bottom line: The truth hurts and the left strive to inflict the same hurt they feel (from our TRUTH) by attacking us with LIES and trash talk, imagery and twists on words. Conservative women are 'conservative and they know full well the hate and false accusations one is likely to receive for daring to oppose and/or EXPOSE the LEFT for the evil it is.

[gabosaurus]

At least where I live, there are very few Conservatives, especially among us women. Dems are quite vocal about what they think of Conservatives. Greedy, selfish, uncaring, especially about children; the list goes on. Some of these characteristics go against the very nature of women, or at least, against how they like to be seen.

Given all that, what does it take for a female to identify as Conservative?

You don't need to identify yourself as anything. It shows in your thoughts and actions.
I don't walk around with a name tag that says "liberal." If I did, I would never be allowed into most of the places I go with my husband. He deals with a very conservative clientele. I can act very conservative if I want/need to.
It has to do with how you really feel. You can choose to be an activist, or you can just keep it to yourself.

[Kathianne]

I'm tired, been traveling all day, so this may make sense or not.

It seems to me that many female, Conservative members tend to go a bit strident, making it difficult for many conservative women to support them. Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman both have had those "Yeehaw" moments ala Howard Dean.

With that said, there's much they've said and supported that I agree with. Yet, they have been cringe worthy more than once.

Their opinions and actions are much more in alignment with my views than those of liberal females. However the only one of those that actually manages to get negative press is Wasserman Schultz, who is way off any base, she's just an idiot.

Truth is, Conservative voters tend to be hard on corrupt and stupid politicians of both sexes and parties.

Liberal voters keep mum, seem to ignore the gaffes of liberal politicians of both sexes. They hammer Conservatives, especially the women. This also goes for liberals in MSM.

Bottom line, conservative, female politicians face harsh audiences from both parties, especially females. Liberal politicians, especially females tend to get a pass from their female constituencies.

I do wonder though why women just seem to go beyond where they need to, in order to win. Those 'extra steps or comments hurt them...'

[SassyLady]

What does it take?

I identify as a conservative woman because I believe people should take personal responsibility for themselves and I have no trouble telling everyone I know.

[Kathianne]

What does it take?

I identify as a conservative woman because I believe people should take personal responsibility for themselves and I have no trouble telling everyone I know.
Yep. Even the 'out of there' conservative women do that, then they screw it up.

[Baba Booey]

Baba. Wherever you are trying, or intend to take this completely useless topic is....all your's.
Are you just looking for an argument, or do you have something important you intended to say after the patronization?
You can say, think, and do whatever you like with this.
I'm not gonna bite.

I know I'm going to get bored around here fast. Listening to sounding boards echo the same old scripted RW rhetoric gets old quick.

Believe it or not, I don't care, but Im a conservative. Exho chamerrs are dull and RW radio mocking birds hurt conservatism.

This country need smarter conservatives. The GOP mentality is obsolete.

[Abbey Marie]

You don't need to identify yourself as anything. It shows in your thoughts and actions.
I don't walk around with a name tag that says "liberal." If I did, I would never be allowed into most of the places I go with my husband. He deals with a very conservative clientele. I can act very conservative if I want/need to.
It has to do with how you really feel. You can choose to be an activist, or you can just keep it to yourself.

Kind of the mirror of how I feel here in Blue northern Delaware. I was really trying to point out the local, IRL aspects of this; not so much the national politicos that have been mentioned. People who put themselves in the public eye do have to expect to be a target in our nasty world.

I was talking about sitting at a school meeting, for one example, and everyone you talk to is quite open about the liberal ideals dear to their hearts. And assume that everyone else feels the same. At least that is how it is here. I have long felt that I cannot speak my mind. It sounds like in your area, you feel the same need to keep quiet. One of the reasons I love this board, is that I can vent my views without any real-life repercussions.

The other point I tried to make is that the traits that the left tries to paint Conservatives with are very anti-"traditional womanhood". The traits I first listed in the OP. I am not sure that women on the left are made to feel that way. Perhaps you feel the same way, and I am unaware of it.

[SassyLady]

I know I'm going to get bored around here fast. Listening to sounding boards echo the same old scripted RW rhetoric gets old quick.

Believe it or not, I don't care, but Im a conservative. Exho chamerrs are dull and RW radio mocking birds hurt conservatism.

This country need smarter conservatives. The GOP mentality is obsolete.

Perhaps you can enlightened us with a discourse in what a "smarter conservative" sounds like and believes in.

[jimnyc]

The left is weak and attacks the individual. The right attacks the women's stupid stances. 90% of the time this is the case. I have a study to back that up, but I'm not babysitting, so find the data yourselves. :thumb: