Racism charge-- A HANDY TOOL FOR COWARDS, LIBS AND ASSHATS= DEMS..

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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Blacks, use any excuse to steal. This one is just an excuse to riot to cover their stealing , a perpetual love of stealing from others. They do this every good chance they get. Not a more
lazy, irresponsible group in this nation that the Dem's favorite bought out leeches IMHO. These are the government leeches that gave us Obama.
Can not expect an reasonable, logical and rational response from such ignorant, brainwashed moronic people!
The black culture thrives on violence, hate and blame whitey for all its ills caused by its cultural rampant irresponsibility and laziness...
Fact, reality leads to TRUTH and truth is
they need a couple more centuries to advance to any decent level IMHO.
I love dishing out cold , hard and brutal truth. Too bad more don't understand it is a very necessary thing or else we end up with the very type of totally messed up nation we have now.
And ruled by a scum like obama!!!

Damn it, stop "auto correcting" the small -o- in the scum's ffing name!! I spell it that way exactly because I am not ignorant....--Tyr

FJ took great umbrage at this post by me on another thread and accused me of being a racist for posting the Truth.
Here is the thread where he can stay on topic and prove my post to be racist lies.
Ball in your court fj..
Dribble, quibble and drivel to your heart's content....
Show me the lies... Prove my lifetime observations are not only false but deliberate lies posted to besmirch innocent people.
Have at it..
I shall reply as my time permits it.. -Tyr

[Drummond]

FJ took great umbrage at this post by me on another thread and accused me of being a racist for posting the Truth.
Here is the thread where he can stay on topic and prove my post to be racist lies.
Ball in your court fj..
Dribble, quibble and drivel to your heart's content....
Show me the lies... Prove my lifetime observations are not only false but deliberate lies posted to besmirch innocent people.
Have at it..
I shall reply as my time permits it.. -Tyr:clap::clap::clap::clap:

FJ frequently resorts to goading-tricks when he can't argue more reasonably (or sometimes just for the hell of it ..). To publicly use the 'racist' accusation as one such trick is stooping to a new low.

I fully agree. Instead of such gutter tactics, FJ, try ARGUING YOUR CORNER, INSTEAD. Or, if you really can't, then I have a new experience for you.

Try admitting, just for once, that YOU ARE IN THE WRONG.

[aboutime]

not even 'fj' can change the truth. No matter how dishonest 'fj' wants to be. It's very 'obama' of him.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

FJ frequently resorts to goading-tricks when he can't argue more reasonably (or sometimes just for the hell of it ..). To publicly use the 'racist' accusation as one such trick is stooping to a new low.

I fully agree. Instead of such gutter tactics, FJ, try ARGUING YOUR CORNER, INSTEAD. Or, if you really can't, then I have a new experience for you.

Try admitting, just for once, that YOU ARE IN THE WRONG.

Mikey no wanna play.....

He may have tried to goad me but what he got instead was a challenge to prove that my lifetime experiences and summation of those was in error.
I hope he tries to prove that TRUTH is a racist act.. That claim is the very core of Political Correctness and PC is just leftist/lib/dem censorship of political opposition and Christian morality.--Tyr

[fj1200]

Mikey no wanna play.....

Say racist things don't be surprised when you're called a racist. :dunno:


To publicly use the 'racist' accusation as one such trick is stooping to a new low.

Wow, I get to hear you whine AND defend racist speech in one post. Awesome.

[logroller]

Racism is the belief that one's race is a predeterminant factor for their behavior or capacity, and that other races are inherently superior. To say that blacks use any excuse to steal and that they aren't as advanced as other races is racist whether its true or not. So far as the lies go, a lie is a deceptive act; for all I know tyr believes what he says; but the broad generalization of racism is false. I've known whites that steal and blacks who haven't-- thus is why painting with the broad brush of racism is a falsehood. Good for Fj pointing out such falsehoods.

[jimnyc]

Racism is the belief that one's race is a predeterminant factor for their behavior or capacity, and that other races are inherently superior. To say that blacks use any excuse to steal and that they aren't as advanced as other races is racist whether its true or not. So far as the lies go, a lie is a deceptive act; for all I know tyr believes what he says; but the broad generalization of racism is false. I've known whites that steal and blacks who haven't-- thus is why painting with the broad brush of racism is a falsehood. Good for Fj pointing out such falsehoods.

Current thread/posts aside - what if someone were to merely point out FBI statistics and census data?

[logroller]

Current thread/posts aside - what if someone were to merely point out FBI statistics and census data?
Depends on the conclusion. If I said, blacks account for a disproportionate number of violent crimes, that's not racist, it's just a fact; but if I infer someone is violent because they're black, that is racist because it presumes the cause for violent rage is race. Its symptomatic of the race perhaps, but race isn't the cause. It's be like saying, based upon gun-related homicide being the number one cause of death among young black males(for example, not necessarily a fact), that they are less bulletproof than other demographics. This is obviously not a valid conclusion, and its racist. The support data isn't racist, but the conclusion is. I can go on and on with examples, but the simple definition I provided is pretty clear. Do you believe that race is a determinant factor to ones capabilities and behavior? If you say yes, then that's racist. I think what people mean when they color things as racially-linked is the culture; but culture is learned, race isn't.

[jimnyc]

Depends on the conclusion. If I said, blacks account for a disproportionate number of violent crimes, that's not racist, it's just a fact; but if I infer someone is violent because they're black, that is racist because it presumes the cause for violent rage is race. Its symptomatic of the race perhaps, but race isn't the cause. It's be like saying, based upon gun-related homicide being the number one cause of death among young black males(for example, not necessarily a fact), that they are less bulletproof than other demographics. This is obviously not a valid conclusion, and its racist. The support data isn't racist, but the conclusion is. I can go on and on with examples, but the simple definition I provided is pretty clear. Do you believe that race is a determinant factor to ones capabilities and behavior? If you say yes, then that's racist. I think what people mean when they color things as racially-linked is the culture; but culture is learned, race isn't.

All fair enough. Usually this happens to me when I point out the huge percentage gaps in many different crimes, both violent and non-violent.

[Drummond]

Say racist things don't be surprised when you're called a racist. :dunno:



Wow, I get to hear you whine AND defend racist speech in one post. Awesome.

What you don't get to do, though, is to learn anything. As is only typical, eh ?

Your loss.

But then ... demonising labelling is an old trick of the Left. I've seen it all too often on my side of the Pond .. enough to consider it tiresome.

[logroller]

All fair enough. Usually this happens to me when I point out the huge percentage gaps in many different crimes, both violent and non-violent.
If your premise was simply that crime rates differ among different races, it's not racist.....but what was your premise????

[jimnyc]

If your premise was simply that crime rates differ among different races, it's not racist.....but what was your premise????

Not just that they differ amongst different races, but that in certain categories, blacks FAR outweigh other races. There have been and endless amount of reasons that criminal statistics have been brought up. When I do bring up the statistics, it is solely to show that it's a fact that black folks commit a disproportionate amount of violent and other crimes. I fully blame it on the culture and not because they are black. <--- that should apply to all scenarios. Blaming the black culture for much crime will often get someone labeled a racist.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Racism is the belief that one's race is a predeterminant factor for their behavior or capacity, and that other races are inherently superior. To say that blacks use any excuse to steal and that they aren't as advanced as other races is racist whether its true or not. So far as the lies go, a lie is a deceptive act; for all I know tyr believes what he says; but the broad generalization of racism is false. I've known whites that steal and blacks who haven't-- thus is why painting with the broad brush of racism is a falsehood. Good for Fj pointing out such falsehoods.



Racism is the belief that one's race is a predeterminant factor for their behavior or capacity, and that other races are inherently superior.

In my comment show exactly where I mention whites or any black/white comparison.-Tyr





To say that blacks use any excuse to steal and that they aren't as advanced as other races is racist whether its true or not. ^^^^^ Now you say truth is racist--you are obviously clueless and a pro-appeaser of the highest order. Hell., I pity you.. since you feel the need to not only appease but to deny truth in the process. Area where I live folks call that being a dumbass..

I see Jim already brought up the crime stats I had planned to cite but you then tried to mumbo jumbo that evidence in your circular false blather. It doesn't work that way Hoss. They are black and it is their culture get it -black culture is what it is because blacks make it so. Now you attempt to separate the two in your faulty thinking. -Tyr





Good for Fj pointing out such falsehoods

Cite what falsehood he supposedly pointed out. Not the ffing strawman crap you are trying to build.-Tyr


I made no black --white comparison but you are now explaining what?
Is you accusation that my comments prove racism. I say truth can not be racist only the chumps that say it is - are racist. I made absolutely no black vs, white comparison yet you now say truth is racist regardless of the opinion of the person citing said truth. In my opinion you are so full of it your eyes are brown!-Tyr

Blacks engage in far higher rate of crime than any other race yet you say anybody saying that proves they are racist. I have to laugh at the liberal stupidity on display when I read that massive load of horseshat.. . :laugh::laugh::laugh: -Tyr

[fj1200]

What you don't get to do, though, is to learn anything. As is only typical, eh ?

Your loss.

But then ... demonising labelling is an old trick of the Left. I've seen it all too often on my side of the Pond .. enough to consider it tiresome.

WTF are you even talking about?!? His language was out and out racist, if you can't see it you've taken this whole ally business WAY too far. If a supposed conservative starts talking like that he should be called out and that right quick.

[Drummond]

WTF are you even talking about?!? His language was out and out racist, if you can't see it you've taken this whole ally business WAY too far. If a supposed conservative starts talking like that he should be called out and that right quick.

... said like a true Leftie, FJ. Honestly ... for someone who's supposedly 'not one', you just can't help but prove the exact opposite on a truly remarkable number of occasions, can you ?

Demonisation of an unwelcome truth by demonising the one telling it, this is very typically Leftie.

FJ, I've no need to argue this out, because I certainly can't better Tyr's own posts (nor would I presume to try). Tyr makes an excellent point in saying that the truth cannot be racist. My suggestion .. instead of further demonisation, try taking on Tyr's point.

Except, of course ... that you can't ... can you ?

No wonder you resort to Leftie gimmickry in your answers. You've nothing else you can use.

.. Except ... HONESTY.

TRY ADMITTING YOU'RE WRONG.

[fj1200]

TRY ADMITTING YOU'RE WRONG.

OMG, this is why you're as dumb as F* and a hypocrite to boot. Go ahead and tell me how blacks needing "another couple of centuries to advance to any decent level" is not racist.

[Drummond]

OMG, this is why you're as dumb as F* and a hypocrite to boot. Go ahead and tell me how blacks needing "another couple of centuries to advance to any decent level" is not racist.

... see ? There it is AGAIN .. a variation on the very same tactic. Now, it's just insults.

The very fact that you have to KEEP doing this is a strong indicator that you know you're playing a weak hand.

Still, if you want a more in-depth reply (.. more so than you seemingly want to enter into yourself !), I'll give it a go. To the extent I can.

So, here's what I have to say.

The first point to make is that it's important to say that these are Tyr's own observations and experiences. I'm pointing this out because I think that the difference in country is relevant.

What Tyr observes is something I've recognised as true over here .. to a point, the specific point being that I think in the UK it's a diminishing truth. Bear in mind that we've had generations of Socialism here (.. off and on ..) ... which means that a dependency culture is more entrenched into the very fabric of our society.

This creates a more level playing field, and a greater cultural acceptance. People of varying races jump right in, taking advantage of what they can sponge out of the State. Immigrants especially. My guess is that Muslims are an increasing category of 'sponger', not caring to strive or to carve out for themselves a good life, instead relying on others to give them what they want. Things go wrong for them ... they wail at their misfortunes. Blaming others ... never themselves.

Abu Hamza, Muslim, hatespeech practitioner and terrorist supporter (and radicaliser) hated the UK ... but, 'strangely', never enough to refuse State handouts. He bemoaned the nature of the Society he was nonetheless a willing part of ... a willing sponger, anyway.

His hatreds had their - highly convenient - cutoff point.

My belief is this ... America is different, to the extent that this is more race-centred in the US than over here. You have a different race-mix. You have a different history. This is why it's better for Tyr to comment than myself, because he's reporting on experiences which are true for him, and his (and your ?) culture.

Tyr centred on thieving. In American culture, there's less State help, so less capacity to thieve on a grand scale. Here, with the State falling over itself to offer benefits, race-minority people can just jump in and take what they can get on the grandest of scales. And they do.

And ... here's the real point, I think ....

I think your own posting lends authentication, as if it needed it, to Tyr's posting. I do NOT see you challenging Tyr's comments in useful detail ... why is that ? SURELY, if he's wrong, you should be capable of doing this ?

But .. no. You name-call. You tack a demonising label on it, and on him. No detailed critique from you, no counterings of real substance .. just a term used in order to personally attack.

If that's the best you can do, FJ, you should quit taking Tyr on. You should willingly concede to him. But ... I'll just bet you won't. You'll do some more demonising, won't you, FJ ? After all, why not ?

It's the LEFT WING thing to do. It's what your beliefs, your very psychology, will lead you to do.

Because you argue in a vacuum. The vacuum that comes from zero substance .. but the need to push a propagandist stance.

Because that's what Left-wingers do. You'll hide behind jibes, expecting the weight of them to carry you, and to influence others. What you WON'T DO .. because it seldom helps Lefties to go in for it .. is to GROUND points of SUBSTANCE in REALITY. Because you have none.

Show me I'm wrong. I challenge you to.

[logroller]

I made no black --white comparison but you are now explaining what?
Is you accusation that my comments prove racism. I say truth can not be racist only the chumps that say it is - are racist. I made absolutely no black vs, white comparison yet you now say truth is racist regardless of the opinion of the person citing said truth. In my opinion you are so full of it your eyes are brown!-Tyr

Blacks engage in far higher rate of crime than any other race yet you say anybody saying that proves they are racist. I have to laugh at the liberal stupidity on display when I read that massive load of horseshat.. . :laugh::laugh::laugh: -Tyr
Please show me where I said you made a black/white comparison you little bitch.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Please show me where I said you made a black/white comparison you little bitch.
You blather on to Jim making dumbass comparisons after he presented exactly what I was going to present-the statistics showing that blacks more prone to stealing, drug dealing and violence. The facts don't lie but you spat out that dumbass circular reasoning straight from the dem/lib handbook. And praised fj for calling me a racist for telling the truth. Then you went on to say the act of telling the truth is itself racist!!! That is pure liberal insanity to the ffing max!!! Yet you hide and pretend not to be a liberal. I'd call that hiding cowardly.


As to your bitch comment made about me ------You couldn't tie my left shoe punk.
Now kiss a real man's ass...
I knew when I started this thread that you'd jump in to try to save fj.
You try to preach to me once but I got your number right away.
All blather no matter.
Do ever try to talk to me like that in person will ya?
And yes, this is me laughing at your try at being a bad ass. :laugh::laugh::laugh:--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Not just that they differ amongst different races, but that in certain categories, blacks FAR outweigh other races. There have been and endless amount of reasons that criminal statistics have been brought up. When I do bring up the statistics, it is solely to show that it's a fact that black folks commit a disproportionate amount of violent and other crimes. I fully blame it on the culture and not because they are black. <--- that should apply to all scenarios. Blaming the black culture for much crime will often get someone labeled a racist.

Damn sure got me called one.. And now suddenly I am a bitch too according to the resident muslim appeaser and fool...
Dude is a liberal in hiding, always has been.--Tyr

[revelarts]

FJ an Log 1st comments make the key points.
Tyr your comments are racist and Jim if you don't take time to examine the stats yep your BS is just plan racist to especially since you have no problem piling on comments about monkeys etc.

Look, the dumb question is, do people act certain ways because they are Black or White or Native American or the devil made them do it.
Are Whites just BORN racist? i wonder. :rolleyes: Are Asians born good at math and kung fu?
Are Poles born stupid? Are the Irish sub human? SCIENCE once said the last one was true so it must be. Hilter's Scientist and clear head measurements said the Jews and Gypsies were sub human. they wrote it in papers and books so there ya go. And all the Germans experience told them that the Jews were just money hungry, subhuman, thieves. They are BORN that way right?
No, it's stupid, lazy, small provincial thinking that just serves to divide people and promote more misunderstanding.
Rather than what God intended, love and mutual respect for all created humanity.

But anyway, no minds to change here because they seems well made up.
However just FYI for people who want to use their highly evolved superior brains to think though the ideas.
Here are few bits from that naturally thieving, lazy and stupid Thomas Sowell.


by THOMAS SOWELL April 26, 2005 (extract)

For most of the history of this country, differences between the black and the white population--whether in income, IQ, crime rates, or whatever--have been attributed to either race or racism...Three decades of my own research lead me to believe that neither of those explanations will stand up under scrutiny of the facts. As one small example, a study published last year indicated that most of the black alumni of Harvard were from either the West Indies or Africa, or were the children of West Indian or African immigrants. These people are the same race as American blacks...

What then could explain such large disparities in demographic "representation" among these three groups of blacks? Perhaps they have different patterns of behavior and different cultures and values behind their behavior. There have always been large disparities, even within the native black population of the U.S. Those blacks whose ancestors were "free persons of color" in 1850 have fared far better in income, occupation, and family stability than those blacks whose ancestors were freed in the next decade by Abraham Lincoln.

What is not nearly as widely known is that there were also very large disparities within the white population of the pre-Civil War South and the white population of the Northern states. Although Southern whites were only about one-third of the white population of the U.S., an absolute majority of all the illiterate whites in the country were in the South.

The North had four times as many schools as the South, attended by more than four times as many students. Children in Massachusetts spent more than twice as many years in school as children in Virginia. Such disparities obviously produce other disparities. Northern newspapers had more than four times the circulation of Southern newspapers. Only 8% of the patents issued in 1851 went to Southerners. Even though agriculture was the principal economic activity of the antebellum South at the time, the vast majority of the patents for agricultural inventions went to Northerners. Even the cotton gin was invented by a Northerner.

Disparities between Southern whites and Northern whites extended across the board from rates of violence to rates of illegitimacy. American writers from both the antebellum South and the North commented on the great differences between the white people in the two regions. So did famed French visitor Alexis de Tocqueville...Slavery also cannot explain the difference between American blacks and West Indian blacks living in the United States because the ancestors of both were enslaved. When race, racism, and slavery all fail the empirical test, what is left? Culture is left.

The culture of the people who were called "rednecks" and "crackers" before they ever got on the boats to cross the Atlantic was a culture that produced far lower levels of intellectual and economic achievement, as well as far higher levels of violence and sexual promiscuity...While a third of the white population of the U.S. lived within the redneck culture, more than 90% of the black population did. Although that culture eroded away over the generations...It eroded away much faster in Britain than in the U.S. and somewhat faster among Southern whites than among Southern blacks, who had fewer opportunities for education or for the rewards that came with escape from that counterproductive culture.

Nevertheless the process took a long time. As late as the First World War, white soldiers from Georgia, Arkansas, Kentucky and Mississippi scored lower on mental tests than black soldiers from Ohio, Illinois, New York and Pennsylvania. Again, neither race nor racism can explain that--and neither can slavery.

The redneck culture proved to be a major handicap for both whites and blacks who absorbed it...The counterproductive and self-destructive culture of black rednecks in today's ghettos is regarded by many as the only "authentic" black culture--and, for that reason, something not to be tampered with...


...Color has obviously played a major role in determining the fate of many Americans, and yet a black ethnic group like the West Indians earns more than a predominantly white ethnic group like the Puerto Ricans, and the Japanese earn more than whites in general. The initial wealth of a group and its time of arrival are obviously important, as many wealthy “old families” show, but the Jews arrived late and penniless in the nineteenth century and are now more affluent than any other ethnic group....

I read Sowell's Book "Ethnic America: A History" several years ago which covers some of this (race, IQ, wealth, crime) and other aspects in more detail looking at various cultures/races in the U.S. and elsewhere and changes over time. And the various factors involved in different group accomplishments. But the thing is, he breaks the groups down FURTHER than simply "black, white or native" etc he brings in age, education, hours of education, books in the home, parents in the home, old money, etc etc and finds...
well he doesn't find one race "lazy, stupid and born criminals" as the klan and some here would say.
In one chapter he points out that the Italians, when they 1st arrived on the east coast in large numbers, had that exact same reputation "lazy, stupid and born criminals" and had the high rates of incarnation to "prove" it as well. They excelled in sports too btw. ei Rocky Marciano etc..
...anyway...

there are few pages of the book here that gives a taste of it.
https://cascourses.uoregon.edu/geog471/pdfs/1206/sowell.pdf
the high IQd here will take the time to read the few pages and very high IQd will read the whole book. then add the facts their to the current high end wisdom and adjust accordingly. Unless they already know it all, and their pure and unprejudiced personal experience is all there is to know of the world.


(A while back I posted something from Ann Colture No less that pointed out some o this and i also focused on the parenting issue with facts and stats. which pointed out that Pre 1950 black families were INTACT. and in some years more than Whites, (more than all whites now percentage wise) . But the welfare state and "free love" concepts hit the poor blacks with a 1-2 punch and have dropped the community to lows now which were NEVER the historical norm.
just mention this for those that care about history and facts that is. If not just keep name calling and assuming the worse ... "because they are black".)

[jimnyc]

FJ an Log 1st comments make the key points.
Tyr your comments are racist and Jim if you don't take time to examine the stats yep your BS is just plan racist to especially since you have no problem piling on comments about monkeys etc.

I'll admit that I have made an idiotic statement here and there, no denials. The words and pictures I posted were in fact racist. Although I was having some fun, that doesn't make it any less racist. With that said....

If I merely post statistics, and don't "examine them" - just merely pointing out FBI statistics and such - "your BS is just plan racist to"? Why would pointing out stats be racist, even without examining them? Are those stats somehow lying? Do they change if you stare at them long enough? Do those committing those crimes become less criminal if you examine further?

And NO, my mind will not change, not unless the statistics change.

Thomas Sowell is extremely intelligent and as far as I know has never committed a crime. He is also a former Marine.


"because they are black"

Sorry, but my comments are because of the crimes, not because of their color. I would say the same if a group of orange people somehow committed a highly disproportionate amount of the crimes while being a low percentage of the total population.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

rts;699998]FJ an Log 1st comments make the key points.
Tyr your comments are racist and Jim if you don't take time to examine the stats yep your BS is just plan racist to especially since you have no problem piling on comments about monkeys etc. [/I][/QUOTE]

No Rev, it was fact, it was truth and it was acknowledgement of reality made by me. Then that was unsoundly criticized by cowardly appeasers, blinded people... I don't do blind. I don't turn the other cheek to my attackers. I do not suffer fools gladly...

FJ would have quoted crime stats to refute my claim except he knew those stats supported my claim. Apparently he lives in a bubble and so do you since you just backed his play. I lived it , saw it, endured it and survived it yet here you two come and say , "how dare you state the truth--That's racist"! Logroller outright wrote that the truth is racist!

Well, here is a truth for you.
The truth is color blind. The truth stands alone and invincible. It is man that rationalizes to go around the truth when it suits his biases, purposes and lusts. Which is exactly what fj, logroller and now you have done. Add in accusing me of being a racist for my daring to post the truth. When the fact is I am brave enough to post when others are not! And I post it knowing how falsely I will be attacked.
Believe what you want, it is people that deny reality in favor of lies, propaganda and feel good moments that are now destroying this nation.

Congrats, you just joined them, hope you are proud to be aboard a ship with fools, asshats, liars , scum , destroyers, haters of morality and damn cowards!
I do not deny truth for man or beast.
I do not deny truth for a feel good, pat on the back moment.
I do not deny reality out of fear! --Tyr

[Jeff]

No Rev, it was fact, it was truth and it was acknowledgement of reality made by me. Then that was unsoundly criticized by cowardly appeasers, blinded people... I don't do blind. I don't turn the other cheek to my attackers. I do not suffer fools gladly...

FJ would have quoted crime stats to refute my claim except he knew those stats supported my claim. Apparently he lives in a bubble and so do you since you just backed his play. I lived it , saw it, endured it and survived it yet here you two come and say , "how dare you state the truth--That's racist"! Logroller outright wrote that the truth is racist!

Well, here is a truth for you.
The truth is color blind. The truth stands alone and invincible. It is man that rationalizes to go around the truth when it suits his biases, purposes and lusts. Which is exactly what fj, logroller and now you have done. Add in accusing me of being a racist for my daring to post the truth. When the fact is I am brave enough to post when others are not! And I post it knowing how falsely I will be attacked.
Believe what you want, it is people that deny reality in favor of lies, propaganda and feel good moments that are now destroying this nation.

Congrats, you just joined them, hope you are proud to be aboard a ship with fools, asshats, liars , scum , destroyers, haters of morality and damn cowards!
I do not deny truth for man or beast.
I do not deny truth for a feel good, pat on the back moment.
I do not deny reality out of fear! --Tyr

One only has to listen to folks cry about how many young black men are in prison to prove this point, I mean seriously the whole world is against them and incarcerate them for no reason :rolleyes:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

One only has to listen to folks cry about how many young black men are in prison to prove this point, I mean seriously the whole world is against them and incarcerate them for no reason :rolleyes:

Dude, DAT IS RACIST!!!!!!
How ffing dare you cite facts!!!!
How dare you not kiss ass!!!
You got your KKK robe back from tha cleaners yet?:rolleyes:

Here we had two people try to paint me as a racist for citing what I have lived seeing for almost 60 years! While they go about kissing ass and playing deny the truth to have pissy ass little feel good moments...
I don't do pansy ass crap like that and irks them so because deep down it convicts them of their shallowness, ignorance and cowardice.. They do exactly the same thing when defending the ffing murdering savages the muslims. FFK THAT, FFK THEM.-Tyr
Tough cookies says this man.

[aboutime]

No matter what fj, or the rev say. They still cannot, and will never be able to CHANGE the TRUTH.

The more they argue, and accuse to deflect, distract, and change the conversation.


At the end of the day. They can't make Lies become Truth, and Truth can never become lies.

And their problem is. They have never been able to prove...their lies. So, they call everyone else liars.

[Drummond]

No Rev, it was fact, it was truth and it was acknowledgement of reality made by me. Then that was unsoundly criticized by cowardly appeasers, blinded people... I don't do blind. I don't turn the other cheek to my attackers. I do not suffer fools gladly...

FJ would have quoted crime stats to refute my claim except he knew those stats supported my claim. Apparently he lives in a bubble and so do you since you just backed his play. I lived it , saw it, endured it and survived it yet here you two come and say , "how dare you state the truth--That's racist"! Logroller outright wrote that the truth is racist!

Well, here is a truth for you.
The truth is color blind. The truth stands alone and invincible. It is man that rationalizes to go around the truth when it suits his biases, purposes and lusts. Which is exactly what fj, logroller and now you have done. Add in accusing me of being a racist for my daring to post the truth. When the fact is I am brave enough to post when others are not! And I post it knowing how falsely I will be attacked.
Believe what you want, it is people that deny reality in favor of lies, propaganda and feel good moments that are now destroying this nation.

Congrats, you just joined them, hope you are proud to be aboard a ship with fools, asshats, liars , scum , destroyers, haters of morality and damn cowards!
I do not deny truth for man or beast.
I do not deny truth for a feel good, pat on the back moment.
I do not deny reality out of fear! --Tyr

Folks ... note the portion of text from Tyr that I've bolded.

This, to me, is what this is ultimately all about.

The Left are control freaks of the very worst sort. Left to their own devices ... and given the opportunity ... they'll precondition everyone to such a pitch that it'd be nigh on impossible to recognise any truth for what it REALLY is, without a conditioned response getting in the way.

I've see it in my own society, over generations. In microcosm, I'm also seeing a version of it here, in this thread.

NOBODY, here, has proven Tyr wrong. However, I've seen an attempt (rather, a number of them) to cry 'racist' .. to bring to the fore a preconditioned response to a recounting of truth which the Left is unwilling to ever allow unfettered and accepted expression.

The Left wants that blocking-response so hardwired into people that they cannot think past it. So it is that propagandist preference 'wins' the day.

It's true of the sort of subject considered (to the extent it HAS been) right here. If the Left had their way, the very same dictatorship of preconditioned response would equally apply in many more aspects of life.

What you end up with is people BELIEVING they're free thinkers, but instead they're just clones of Left-led preference. Enslaved to modes of thinking as delusional and rigid as their Leftie masters dictate.

Unwelcome truths are in danger of being freely expressed. Quickly, cry 'RACIST', stick your fingers in your ears, and wish that TRUTH to go away !!!!!

The Left requires you to respond in that way. Without though. Without reason. It's preconditioning ... it's societal slavery, masquerading as 'enlightenment'. Just .. think as we do, see only what we see, and a comforting fool's paradise is there to blind you.

Truths are only permitted if they can be sanctioned as 'politically correct' ... in LeftieWorld ....

I ask: do you want to be told how to think and feel ? Or do you want to face truths because they ARE such ?

Freedom, or blindness ? Which ?

Ponder this, folks. Those who've most stridently criticised Tyr .. aren't they those who've been previously identified as being significantly further to the Left than either Tyr or myself ? Ask yourself ... is this 'mere coincidence' ?

Or do I perhaps have a point worth - FREELY - considering ?

[logroller]

You blather on to Jim making dumbass comparisons after he presented exactly what I was going to present-the statistics showing that blacks more prone to stealing, drug dealing and violence. The facts don't lie but you spat out that dumbass circular reasoning straight from the dem/lib handbook. And praised fj for calling me a racist for telling the truth. Then you went on to say the act of telling the truth is itself racist!!! That is pure liberal insanity to the ffing max!!! Yet you hide and pretend not to be a liberal. I'd call that hiding cowardly.


As to your bitch comment made about me ------You couldn't tie my left shoe punk.
Now kiss a real man's ass...
I knew when I started this thread that you'd jump in to try to save fj.
You try to preach to me once but I got your number right away.
All blather no matter.
Do ever try to talk to me like that in person will ya?
And yes, this is me laughing at your try at being a bad ass. :laugh::laugh::laugh:--Tyr
So you can't show me where I said that. How embarrassing for you that your first line was so easily shown a falsehood. You invite this on yourself; you started a tread about how big of a racist you are, and you are, then get more pissed when I explain, definitively, that it was racist. The handbook you accuse me of using is the dictionary. If you don't like being a racist then change. Don't get all bitchy when someone says you're a racist-- fucking own it.

Admittedly, you're on your own on tying your shoes; I'm not your momma-- maybe the old lady will let you borrow her house slippers. So far as what I say to you in person , the next time a tornado moves your trailer north of the mason-Dixie line, look me up.lord knows you can't afford a plane ticket. In the meantime, I heard there's some coloreds in the whites-only bathroom, so you best get to bouncing bitch.

[logroller]

Folks ... note the portion of text from Tyr that I've bolded.

This, to me, is what this is ultimately all about.

The Left are control freaks of the very worst sort. Left to their own devices ... and given the opportunity ... they'll precondition everyone to such a pitch that it'd be nigh on impossible to recognise any truth for what it REALLY is, without a conditioned response getting in the way.

I've see it in my own society, over generations. In microcosm, I'm also seeing a version of it here, in this thread.

NOBODY, here, has proven Tyr wrong. However, I've seen an attempt (rather, a number of them) to cry 'racist' .. to bring to the fore a preconditioned response to a recounting of truth which the Left is unwilling to ever allow unfettered and accepted expression.

The Left wants that blocking-response so hardwired into people that they cannot think past it. So it is that propagandist preference 'wins' the day.

It's true of the sort of subject considered (to the extent it HAS been) right here. If the Left had their way, the very same dictatorship of preconditioned response would equally apply in many more aspects of life.

What you end up with is people BELIEVING they're free thinkers, but instead they're just clones of Left-led preference. Enslaved to modes of thinking as delusional and rigid as their Leftie masters dictate.

Unwelcome truths are in danger of being freely expressed. Quickly, cry 'RACIST', stick your fingers in your ears, and wish that TRUTH to go away !!!!!

The Left requires you to respond in that way. Without though. Without reason. It's preconditioning ... it's societal slavery, masquerading as 'enlightenment'. Just .. think as we do, see only what we see, and a comforting fool's paradise is there to blind you.

Truths are only permitted if they can be sanctioned as 'politically correct' ... in LeftieWorld ....

I ask: do you want to be told how to think and feel ? Or do you want to face truths because they ARE such ?

Freedom, or blindness ? Which ?

Ponder this, folks. Those who've most stridently criticised Tyr .. aren't they those who've been previously identified as being significantly further to the Left than either Tyr or myself ? Ask yourself ... is this 'mere coincidence' ?

Or do I perhaps have a point worth - FREELY - considering ?
The fact is that tyr is a racist. I proved it in my in my first post. He may not like being labeled as such; neither to blacks like being labelled as an indecent race-- but Tyr's free to be as such, just as Fj is free to be a leftie to you. You have no qualms calling Fj a leftie-- shouldn't Fj be afforded the same freedom of calling tyr a racist?

[Jeff]

You blather on to Jim making dumbass comparisons after he presented exactly what I was going to present-the statistics showing that blacks more prone to stealing, drug dealing and violence. The facts don't lie but you spat out that dumbass circular reasoning straight from the dem/lib handbook. And praised fj for calling me a racist for telling the truth. Then you went on to say the act of telling the truth is itself racist!!! That is pure liberal insanity to the ffing max!!! Yet you hide and pretend not to be a liberal. I'd call that hiding cowardly.


As to your bitch comment made about me ------You couldn't tie my left shoe punk.
Now kiss a real man's ass...
I knew when I started this thread that you'd jump in to try to save fj.
You try to preach to me once but I got your number right away.
All blather no matter.
Do ever try to talk to me like that in person will ya?
And yes, this is me laughing at your try at being a bad ass. :laugh::laugh::laugh:--Tyr


So you can't show me where I said that. How embarrassing for you that your first line was so easily shown a falsehood. You invite this on yourself; you started a tread about how big of a racist you are, and you are, then get more pissed when I explain, definitively, that it was racist. The handbook you accuse me of using is the dictionary. If you don't like being a racist then change. Don't get all bitchy when someone says you're a racist-- fucking own it.

Admittedly, you're on your own on tying your shoes; I'm not your momma-- maybe the old lady will let you borrow her house slippers. So far as what I say to you in person , the next time a tornado moves your trailer north of the mason-Dixie line, look me up.lord knows you can't afford a plane ticket. In the meantime, I heard there's some coloreds in the whites-only bathroom, so you best get to bouncing bitch.



Road Trip !!!

[Jeff]

Dude, DAT IS RACIST!!!!!!
How ffing dare you cite facts!!!!
How dare you not kiss ass!!!
You got your KKK robe back from tha cleaners yet?:rolleyes:

Here we had two people try to paint me as a racist for citing what I have lived seeing for almost 60 years! While they go about kissing ass and playing deny the truth to have pissy ass little feel good moments...
I don't do pansy ass crap like that and irks them so because deep down it convicts them of their shallowness, ignorance and cowardice.. They do exactly the same thing when defending the ffing murdering savages the muslims. FFK THAT, FFK THEM.-Tyr
Tough cookies says this man.

Then I am proudly a Racist !!!

Yoy know I really use to be a racist even though I had Black friends, Blacks had to earn my respect, now a days I give respect to all until they lose it. So if I am a racist for telling facts than so be it.

[logroller]

Then I am proudly a Racist !!!

Yoy know I really use to be a racist even though I had Black friends, Blacks had to earn my respect, now a days I give respect to all until they lose it. So if I am a racist for telling facts than so be it.
Be what you may, atleast you own up to it. But if the facts of the matter are blacks are more violent than whites, and my calling someone a bitch amounts to fighting words, then you might consider why blacks react with violence. Just saying-- respect is reciprocal.

[logroller]

​
Road Trip !!!
don't forget the tar and feathers. :laugh2:

[Jeff]

Be what you may, atleast you own up to it. But if the facts of the matter are blacks are more violent than whites, and my calling someone a bitch amounts to fighting words, then you might consider why blacks react with violence. Just saying-- respect is reciprocal.
Facts are facts Log, Our prisons are filled with Black men. Do you honestly believe they where all put there because the police are racist?

​
don't forget the tar and feathers. :laugh2:

Honestly If I was Tyr no tar and feathers would be needed , there has to be something to pour the tar on :laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So you can't show me where I said that. How embarrassing for you that your first line was so easily shown a falsehood. You invite this on yourself; you started a tread about how big of a racist you are, and you are, then get more pissed when I explain, definitively, that it was racist. The handbook you accuse me of using is the dictionary. If you don't like being a racist then change. Don't get all bitchy when someone says you're a racist-- fucking own it.

Admittedly, you're on your own on tying your shoes; I'm not your momma-- maybe the old lady will let you borrow her house slippers. So far as what I say to you in person , the next time a tornado moves your trailer north of the mason-Dixie line, look me up.lord knows you can't afford a plane ticket. In the meantime, I heard there's some coloreds in the whites-only bathroom, so you best get to bouncing bitch.

All you have proven is that you are a liar and a damn coward. What is this shit about trailers? Is that some of your high and mighty unbiased posting? I don't have any --"old lady" except my slowly dying mother you ffing weasel -- if you talk about my family again I will find you so we can have a person to person chat. WHICH ARE YOU WITH THIS INSULTING MY FAMILY --A MOD DOING IT OR JUST A DUMBASS MEMBER DOING IT-
WHICH HAT ARE YOU WEARING YOU FKKING BASTARD!
You show me where I've ever mentioned any member of you family. I don't play that shit you lowlife ffkking scum!


Will meet you halfway any day you say punk-ass piece of cowardly scum.
I live 7 miles south of Memphis TN.
A coward like you always talks big from a safe distance..
Lets you and talk where we can settle this like men do........-Tyr

[jimnyc]

So you can't show me where I said that. How embarrassing for you that your first line was so easily shown a falsehood. You invite this on yourself; you started a tread about how big of a racist you are, and you are, then get more pissed when I explain, definitively, that it was racist. The handbook you accuse me of using is the dictionary. If you don't like being a racist then change. Don't get all bitchy when someone says you're a racist-- fucking own it.

Admittedly, you're on your own on tying your shoes; I'm not your momma-- maybe the old lady will let you borrow her house slippers. So far as what I say to you in person , the next time a tornado moves your trailer north of the mason-Dixie line, look me up.lord knows you can't afford a plane ticket. In the meantime, I heard there's some coloreds in the whites-only bathroom, so you best get to bouncing bitch.

I'm not getting involved in any dispute between arguments, debates or even insults between members. I always thought that stuff best left to the community and the ignore button. But if the above is a reference to another members Mom - please toss that shit aside. If it was meant about a wife, same thing. Sometimes the momma jokes can fly, between friends, but when it's between 2 members who obviously don't care for one another, the words tend to take on a new meaning. I like both of you guys. It's a shame to see you guys wandering away from true debate, which you are both great at, to just fighting.

[jimnyc]

I don't have any --"old lady" except my slowly dying mother

Tyr, I'm sorry about your Mom. I know the feeling, trust me on that one. Completely set aside from all of this, I truly just wanted to have that recognized. I'm sure many have been through it, not just me. But no matter, it will never be easy for anyone. You and Mom are in my prayers.

[logroller]

Facts are facts Log, Our prisons are filled with Black men. Do you honestly believe they where all put there because the police are racist?

No. I believe they're there because they were convicted of crime. The fact is our prisons are filled with criminals. Do you believe they're criminals because they're black?

[aboutime]

No. I believe they're there because they were convicted of crime. The fact is our prisons are filled with criminals. Do you believe they're criminals because they're black?


LOG. Just to please you, and your scrambled, intentional attempts to play word games, semantics, and rhetorically speaking. You are becoming more of the LOW LIFE most of us have been warning others to avoid here.

Pretending ONLY YOU are able, or smart enough to twist context, and words that make you feel so much more intelligent than the rest of us is the same kind of STUPIDITY Gabby has attempted to use...and only convinced herself...and you how ONLY YOU ARE RIGHT.

Personally, LOG. You piss me, and others off with your HOLIER-THAN-THOU shitty attitude that belongs with that teacher who told the little girl she COULDN'T say "God bless you" when another little girl sneezed.

Every descriptive word TYR used in your behalf is light, and bashful, compared to the words YOU SO RIGHTLY DESERVE.
Hypocrisy is just one of them.

[Abbey Marie]

Tyr, I also would like to say how sorry I am about your Mom. I lost mine over 10 years ago, so I do understand.

[Jeff]

No. I believe they're there because they were convicted of crime. The fact is our prisons are filled with criminals. Do you believe they're criminals because they're black?

I believe they are criminals because they broke the fu**ing law, Log you come on here with your holier than thou BS, what's up with that ? I know you and fj are friends but fj is in no way needing of help from someone that needs to throw personal insults and to bring a man's family into things ( Hell I was Banned for doing that very thing a ways back , yes mine was worse but it was along the same lines, difference is was I was pissed and I tell it like it is, I don't play the baby ( sissy ) games ) fj is smart as a whip and although him and I disagree and a lot, hell most things I have a respect for him ( I have never seen him attack anyone with personal insults ) seriously man if you think you are helping a buddy, well lets just say fj will debate circles around you, he doesn't need the school yard dramatics.

The fact is the prisions are filled with Black inmates ( and others as well ) most all inner cities are Ghetto's and who lives there ? Not all Blacks are bad people but many do these things for no other reason than they want to be as outrageous as they can, if they worked a job as hard as they do breaking the law they would be rich.

Now you ( and others like you ) that are so righteous and color blind, why don't ya try this, walk into any Hood after dark and see how well these folks you stand here and argue for treat ya ( I have done it, hell I have slept in neighborhoods I am sure you wouldn't walk through during the day ) Honestly we both know ya aren't going to do it, the knocking of your knees would give ya away !!

[Jeff]

Tyr as you know we come from a different mold than some, we worked for a living and we stand for what we believe, we don't hide behind a computer screen and curse folks we do it face to face, forget this trash, chalk it up as another internet tough guy, you know the kind, has to get permission to put his Ba11s in the draw at night. But if this trash doesn't stop let me know, I will happily make a road trip with you.


And Brother I am so sorry about your Mom, I lost mine a few years back and there is nothing anyone can say that will make that easier, it still feels like it was this morning and it still hurts, But God will never give us more than we can handle and you will get through it, remember the better times, the times we all put in the back of our minds, the times that are so precious. Tyr you and your Mon will be in my Prayers !!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Thanks for the kind words guys. I truly appreciate that. We are facing that our mom may have a year or less but she is tough and I mean very tough . She may fool the docs and last much , much longer. Currently staying at my --house- with me , not a trailer. :mad:
Plans are to let my oldest sister care for her starting in about three weeks, then my oldest brother after that. If she is still alive after that period of time then she comes back to my home. Just too hard on one person. I know others have done it by themselves but luckily we are 10 children that can share the hardship of it all.
Again thanks all, Abbey thanks my friend, your kind words meant a lot to me...--Tyr

[Drummond]

Tyr, I'm sorry about your Mom. I know the feeling, trust me on that one. Completely set aside from all of this, I truly just wanted to have that recognized. I'm sure many have been through it, not just me. But no matter, it will never be easy for anyone. You and Mom are in my prayers.
:clap::clap::clap::clap:

A good post, Jim, good to see. I echo your sentiments !

[Drummond]

Thanks for the kind words guys. I truly appreciate that. We are facing that our mom may have a year or less but she is tough and I mean very tough . She may fool the docs and last much , much longer. Currently staying at my --house- with me , not a trailer. :mad:
Plans are to let my oldest sister care for her starting in about three weeks, then my oldest brother after that. If she is still alive after that period of time then she comes back to my home. Just too hard on one person. I know others have done it by themselves but luckily we are 10 children that can share the hardship of it all.
Again thanks all, Abbey thanks my friend, your kind words meant a lot to me...--Tyr

Just catching up on posts now, Tyr .. I was unable to visit this forum yesterday, only now able to rejoin for a limited time.

You, your mother, are both in my prayers. My very best to you (I've PM'd separately).

[Drummond]

I believe they are criminals because they broke the fu**ing law, Log you come on here with your holier than thou BS, what's up with that ? I know you and fj are friends but fj is in no way needing of help from someone that needs to throw personal insults and to bring a man's family into things ( Hell I was Banned for doing that very thing a ways back , yes mine was worse but it was along the same lines, difference is was I was pissed and I tell it like it is, I don't play the baby ( sissy ) games ) fj is smart as a whip and although him and I disagree and a lot, hell most things I have a respect for him ( I have never seen him attack anyone with personal insults ) seriously man if you think you are helping a buddy, well lets just say fj will debate circles around you, he doesn't need the school yard dramatics.

The fact is the prisions are filled with Black inmates ( and others as well ) most all inner cities are Ghetto's and who lives there ? Not all Blacks are bad people but many do these things for no other reason than they want to be as outrageous as they can, if they worked a job as hard as they do breaking the law they would be rich.

Now you ( and others like you ) that are so righteous and color blind, why don't ya try this, walk into any Hood after dark and see how well these folks you stand here and argue for treat ya ( I have done it, hell I have slept in neighborhoods I am sure you wouldn't walk through during the day ) Honestly we both know ya aren't going to do it, the knocking of your knees would give ya away !!:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Great post !

I'd just add what I've already basically said. Logroller, in common with Left-wingers like him (and I say this NOT to excuse him !!), has his agenda to follow. Left-wingers insist upon seeing realities in their own chosen way, ignoring anything that gets in the way of their preferred worldview. Note, Jeff, that Logroller, though he doesn't hesitate to be critical of you, can't directly refute what you've concluded with any proof that you're either wrong, or even inaccurate, in what you say.

And for all the squalid, thoroughly reprehensible attacks launched on Tyr, Tyr, too, is in the same position. Tyr has dealt in truth. Truth that isn't refuted with proof he's wrong ... just attacked.

The Left insists we see the world as they do, and preconditioned with a mindset, and preset kneejerk reactions, OF THEIR CHOOSING. What truths they don't like are demonised, the people expressing them, likewise. They want whole societies brainwashed into cloning their own brand of thinking.

For my own part ... I AM NOBODY'S PUPPET, AND IF TRUTH IS EXPRESSED, IT NEEDS TO BE ACCEPTED FOR WHAT IT IS.

I will think freely. I will not succumb to any disgusting pressures to bend to anyone else's biases or diversions.

NOR SHOULD ANYONE ELSE.

I do not represent Tyr in concluding with the following suggestion.

Logroller - you should surely see, from this thread, that you've gone way too far.

I suggest the following.

I consider that a public apology for your conduct on this thread is called for. OK ... you have a disagreement with Tyr, but in following your bog-standard demonising agenda (prompted by a political imperative, no doubt, but even so ...), you've taken your comments way outside of decent conduct.

You should apologise.

[logroller]

I believe they are criminals because they broke the fu**ing law, Log you come on here with your holier than thou BS, what's up with that ? I know you and fj are friends but fj is in no way needing of help from someone that needs to throw personal insults and to bring a man's family into things ( Hell I was Banned for doing that very thing a ways back , yes mine was worse but it was along the same lines, difference is was I was pissed and I tell it like it is, I don't play the baby ( sissy ) games ) fj is smart as a whip and although him and I disagree and a lot, hell most things I have a respect for him ( I have never seen him attack anyone with personal insults ) seriously man if you think you are helping a buddy, well lets just say fj will debate circles around you, he doesn't need the school yard dramatics.

The fact is the prisions are filled with Black inmates ( and others as well ) most all inner cities are Ghetto's and who lives there ? Not all Blacks are bad people but many do these things for no other reason than they want to be as outrageous as they can, if they worked a job as hard as they do breaking the law they would be rich.

Now you ( and others like you ) that are so righteous and color blind, why don't ya try this, walk into any Hood after dark and see how well these folks you stand here and argue for treat ya ( I have done it, hell I have slept in neighborhoods I am sure you wouldn't walk through during the day ) Honestly we both know ya aren't going to do it, the knocking of your knees would give ya away !!
I have been to the ghettos after dark. If I told you I've been arrested for murder, would that surprise you? Dont pretend you know me.

I live in bakersfield ca, took the time to head east, meet someone half way. I'll be in Colorado Springs October 7-11; be more than happy to meet up with anyone that thinks I hide behind the internet. My older sister and her family live there; she's married to a black guy and id like to see you more legitimate tough guys who aren't holier than thou explain to a twelve and fourteen year old how blacks are generally outrageously indecent ghetto thieves. In lookin forward to it. Anyone want my number to set it up? Send me a pm. I make no apologies for standing up against sometimes I think is wrong.

[aboutime]

I just finished reading ALL of the posts in this thread from Logroller. And, IMO. We (all of us) now know. Logroller has previously operated here as a hypocrite, and hidden phony.

We have all, also seen how Log managed to nearly totally fool, and convince Jim that Logroller was pretending to be other than what his words now prove...were all lies, to ALL OF US.

This is the Obama-ization of America finally showing is face in more ways than most of us cared to believe.

I have also paid much attention to the NEWS cycle, from PRO, and CON points of view and find myself CONVINCED.

We do not need to worry, or be concerned about "ISIS" or "ISIL" threatening to come here to the U.S.A.

No need to worry because. I AM CONVINCED....."THEY ARE ALREADY HERE", and awaiting a mutual order to act on their THREATS.

I do hope I am terribly wrong. But I am also feeling like AMERICA is now back to SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2001. When, like Holder and Obama are doing today. Bush, and Clinton only wanted to handle TERROR in American court rooms.

[Drummond]

I have been to the ghettos after dark. If I told you I've been arrested for murder, would that surprise you? Dont pretend you know me.

I live in bakersfield ca, took the time to head east, meet someone half way. I'll be in Colorado Springs October 7-11; be more than happy to meet up with anyone that thinks I hide behind the internet. My older sister and her family live there; she's married to a black guy and id like to see you more legitimate tough guys who aren't holier than thou explain to a twelve and fourteen year old how blacks are generally outrageously indecent ghetto thieves. In lookin forward to it. Anyone want my number to set it up? Send me a pm. I make no apologies for standing up against sometimes I think is wrong.

... Charming stuff. I mean, wow. Makes me really glad I post on this forum ....:rolleyes:

But here's the thing.

I don't doubt that you have your point of view. I'm also willing to accept that your representation of what you say you believe in is genuine, that you honestly represent whatever 'standards' you are loyal to.

But, you see ... the same is true of Jeff. And of Tyr. And of myself.

You may not choose to see things as the others of us do. But the big difference is this: you demonise what you are in opposition to, because you lack a basis for challenging the FACTUAL statements that have been presented to you, and to this forum.

Since you can't do this .. that being a pretty serious flaw in your position !! .. you pitch things in a way that detracts from that flaw. You don't RECOGNISE the flaw in any candid way. No, you divert from it instead - because you HAVE to.

We see the result .. don't we ? Personal attacks, demonisations, the bog-standard Leftie tactic employed to incessantly drive home a labelling of your opponent in such a way as to - you HOPE - force an emotional reaction that has others reject your opponents' positions.

This, Logroller, is trickery you have to indulge in ... because you lack a means to credibly employ any other approach.

It is also methodology I've seen repeated time and again from other Left wingers .. because they, too, have to go to such extremes because their positions are propaganda-based, not necessarily factually based. Left wingers don't deal in fact and in truth if it hurts their propaganda to do so.

That is a big, even critical, difference between the two polar political opposites. Conservatives are realists, we deal in fact and reality. We are grounded in the real world. If an unpleasant truth stares us in the face, we don't hide from it, deny it, look the other way.

But Left wingers are only grounded in reality when it suits them to be.

And we see where it's led you, don't we, in this thread. Personalised attacks. Name-calling, repeatedly, even almost incessantly, to gain the right emotional response from your audience.

I won't ask you if you feel any shame from employing such shady methods, because, of course, hell will freeze over before you ever will. And, Logroller, that is another difference between the Left and the Right ...

... we, demonstrably, have a claim to reputability that the Left WILL NEVER HAVE.

'Socialism is a reputability deficiency disease'.

Yes ... quite. QED.

'Have a nice day'.

[fj1200]

Show me I'm wrong. I challenge you to.

I've shown you and your jackboots to be wrong so many times that it's not worth the bother. FWIW I noticed that you failed to answer the question unless I missed it in your blather to back your buddy.


No Rev, it was fact, it was truth and it was acknowledgement of reality made by me. Then that was unsoundly criticized by cowardly appeasers, blinded people... I don't do blind. I don't turn the other cheek to my attackers. I do not suffer fools gladly...

FJ would have quoted crime stats to refute my claim except he knew those stats supported my claim. Apparently he lives in a bubble and so do you since you just backed his play. I lived it , saw it, endured it and survived it yet here you two come and say , "how dare you state the truth--That's racist"! Logroller outright wrote that the truth is racist!

Here's your claim:


Blacks, use any excuse to steal. This one is just an excuse to riot to cover their stealing , a perpetual love of stealing from others. They do this every good chance they get. Not a more lazy, irresponsible group in this nation that the Dem's favorite bought out leeches IMHO. These are the government leeches that gave us Obama.
Can not expect an reasonable, logical and rational response from such ignorant, brainwashed moronic people!
The black culture thrives on violence, hate and blame whitey for all its ills caused by its cultural rampant irresponsibility and laziness...
Fact, reality leads to TRUTH and truth is
they need a couple more centuries to advance to any decent level IMHO.
I love dishing out cold , hard and brutal truth. Too bad more don't understand it is a very necessary thing or else we end up with the very type of totally messed up nation we have now.
And ruled by a scum like obama!!!

There wasn't any truth in there, mere scapegoating by stereotype. I acknowledge that there are crime stats that one can point to and would be relevant in certain circumstances but Sowell, which you didn't bother responding to, completely countered your post. Either you believe the black race is "less advanced" or you don't. Your words said that they were which means that they were racist, if you didn't mean it then you can acknowledge that your post was, shall we say, incomplete.

For myself... I point to failure of government programs to explain demographic disparities. But that's just the leftie in me. :rolleyes:

[aboutime]

... Charming stuff. I mean, wow. Makes me really glad I post on this forum ....:rolleyes:

But here's the thing.

I don't doubt that you have your point of view. I'm also willing to accept that your representation of what you say you believe in is genuine, that you honestly represent whatever 'standards' you are loyal to.

But, you see ... the same is true of Jeff. And of Tyr. And of myself.

You may not choose to see things as the others of us do. But the big difference is this: you demonise what you are in opposition to, because you lack a basis for challenging the FACTUAL statements that have been presented to you, and to this forum.

Since you can't do this .. that being a pretty serious flaw in your position !! .. you pitch things in a way that detracts from that flaw. You don't RECOGNISE the flaw in any candid way. No, you divert from it instead - because you HAVE to.

We see the result .. don't we ? Personal attacks, demonisations, the bog-standard Leftie tactic employed to incessantly drive home a labelling of your opponent in such a way as to - you HOPE - force an emotional reaction that has others reject your opponents' positions.

This, Logroller, is trickery you have to indulge in ... because you lack a means to credibly employ any other approach.

It is also methodology I've seen repeated time and again from other Left wingers .. because they, too, have to go to such extremes because their positions are propaganda-based, not necessarily factually based. Left wingers don't deal in fact and in truth if it hurts their propaganda to do so.

That is a big, even critical, difference between the two polar political opposites. Conservatives are realists, we deal in fact and reality. We are grounded in the real world. If an unpleasant truth stares us in the face, we don't hide from it, deny it, look the other way.

But Left wingers are only grounded in reality when it suits them to be.

And we see where it's led you, don't we, in this thread. Personalised attacks. Name-calling, repeatedly, even almost incessantly, to gain the right emotional response from your audience.

I won't ask you if you feel any shame from employing such shady methods, because, of course, hell will freeze over before you ever will. And, Logroller, that is another difference between the Left and the Right ...

... we, demonstrably, have a claim to reputability that the Left WILL NEVER HAVE.

'Socialism is a reputability deficiency disease'.

Yes ... quite. QED.

'Have a nice day'.



Sir Drummond. A better question you might ask mr jackboots (his words, not mine) would be.

"Who died, and made you the sole authority, and ultimate source of information on such a topic?"

As I have stated in other posts. People like him claim
"ONLY THEY ARE CORRECT ABOUT EVERYTHING, while others ARE NOT PERMITTED TO KNOW, OR OFFER AN OPINION DIFFERENT FROM HIS."

[Drummond]

I've shown you and your jackboots to be wrong so many times that it's not worth the bother. FWIW I noticed that you failed to answer the question unless I missed it in your blather to back your buddy.



Here's your claim:



There wasn't any truth in there, mere scapegoating by stereotype. I acknowledge that there are crime stats that one can point to and would be relevant in certain circumstances but Sowell, which you didn't bother responding to, completely countered your post. Either you believe the black race is "less advanced" or you don't. Your words said that they were which means that they were racist, if you didn't mean it then you can acknowledge that your post was, shall we say, incomplete.

For myself... I point to failure of government programs to explain demographic disparities. But that's just the leftie in me. :rolleyes:

There's a simple answer to all of this, and I've already used it. But, AGAIN ..

All you're doing here is advancing a point of view. And indeed, you do say ... 'I acknowledge that there are crime stats that one can point to' which goes a little way towards conceding that material substance favours the opposite case to the one you want to put ... well done on that.

But ... where is YOUR MATERIAL PROOF that YOU are right ?

It's still missing, isn't it ?

I think you're just trying out a sideways-on attempt to make the 'racist' tag stick, but again, you're not actually presenting evidence to refute the factual material already presented by those you and your comrades would seek to demonise.

And I'm heartily sick of pointing this out.

Give the audience here PROOF that stats described are wrong. Mere pedantic perspective-manipulating just won't do.

I suspect this is my last word on the subject ..

[fj1200]

There's a simple answer to all of this, and I've already used it. But, AGAIN ..

All you're doing here is advancing a point of view. And indeed, you do say ... 'I acknowledge that there are crime stats that one can point to' which goes a little way towards conceding that material substance favours the opposite case to the one you want to put ... well done on that.

But ... where is YOUR MATERIAL PROOF that YOU are right ?

It's still missing, isn't it ?

I think you're just trying out a sideways-on attempt to make the 'racist' tag stick, but again, you're not actually presenting evidence to refute the factual material already presented by those you and your comrades would seek to demonise.

And I'm heartily sick of pointing this out.

Give the audience here PROOF that stats described are wrong. Mere pedantic perspective-manipulating just won't do.

I suspect this is my last word on the subject ..

I highly doubt it unless the TRUTH of Sowell's words that Rev posted scare you into slinking away. The proof of my statement was in the initial words and the rebuttal of those stats, which I accept as true for what they are, do not tell the whole story. Correlation is not causation, remember that.

You should try admitting you're wrong every once in awhile or do we get to hear some more of your leftie blather. Rev offered far more proof in one post here than you've ever offered of all my leftie positions you allege.

[Drummond]

Sir Drummond. A better question you might ask mr jackboots (his words, not mine) would be.

"Who died, and made you the sole authority, and ultimate source of information on such a topic?"

As I have stated in other posts. People like him claim
"ONLY THEY ARE CORRECT ABOUT EVERYTHING, while others ARE NOT PERMITTED TO KNOW, OR OFFER AN OPINION DIFFERENT FROM HIS."

That's the point of positions taken by those on the Left. They need to be seen to be unquestionably authoritative, unassailably so, on all they pronounce about. Because they're control freaks, intent on making everyone think just as they do.

When realities get in the way, there has to be an element of discrediting of anyone exposing unwelcome ones. This is what we've seen happen on this thread, in a typically Left-wing way. Demonise. Tag. Name-call. Use those tags, those labels, to generate a kneejerk emotional response that blinds a person to the unwelcome reality.

And Logroller's assertion of his arrest-history .... overkill, even for a Leftie ? Well .. I'd have thought so, but then again, maybe I'm too kind to the Left for my own good ?

It would certainly seem so. I should learn to be less charitable to them ...

'Mr Jackboots' is fitting .. applied TO THE LEFT. They require us to march in lockstep to them.

Well, not me. It'll never happen. I'm nobody's robot.

[fj1200]

'Mr Jackboots' is fitting .. applied TO THE LEFT. They require us to march in lockstep to them.

Well, not me. It'll never happen. I'm nobody's robot.

:laugh: You've already proven you are a robot for someone. ;)

[Drummond]

I highly doubt it unless the TRUTH of Sowell's words that Rev posted scare you into slinking away. The proof of my statement was in the initial words and the rebuttal of those stats, which I accept as true for what they are, do not tell the whole story. Correlation is not causation, remember that.

You should try admitting you're wrong every once in awhile or do we get to hear some more of your leftie blather. Rev offered far more proof in one post here than you've ever offered of all my leftie positions you allege.

Sowell makes assertions, and 'historical' ones, at that. At first sight it looks convincing, until you realise that all the text supplies IS assertions.

Where's the statistical evidence to back it up ?

Besides, Tyr and Jeff have both addressed present-day realities. I've still yet to see any definitive proof countering their statements. Plenty of name-calling, etc etc. Squalid stuff.

As befits Left-wing methodology.

The joke of it is, Left-wingers see something MERITORIOUS in it ...

[Drummond]

:laugh: You've already proven you are a robot for someone. ;)

Being permanently free of Left wing influence-tactics argues the exact opposite.

Pity you can't say the same.

[fj1200]

Sowell makes assertions, and 'historical' ones, at that. At first sight it looks convincing, until you realise that all the text supplies IS assertions.

Where's the statistical evidence to back it up ?

Besides, Tyr and Jeff have both addressed present-day realities. I've still yet to see any definitive proof countering their statements. Plenty of name-calling, etc etc. Squalid stuff.

As befits Left-wing methodology.

The joke of it is, Left-wingers see something MERITORIOUS in it ...

Sowell is a left winger now??? I've heard everything. The jack boot fits you.

Of course 353 pages of "mere assertions." :rolleyes:
http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-America-History-Thomas-Sowell/dp/0465020755


Being permanently free of Left wing influence-tactics argues the exact opposite.

Pity you can't say the same.

I'd say prove it or shut up but I know you won't shut up.

[Jeff]

I have been to the ghettos after dark. If I told you I've been arrested for murder, would that surprise you? Dont pretend you know me.

I don't want to know you but you keep popping up like a cancer. As for being arrested that certainly doesn't make you tough but it does explain your love for criminals.

I live in bakersfield ca, took the time to head east, meet someone half way. I'll be in Colorado Springs October 7-11; be more than happy to meet up with anyone that thinks I hide behind the internetm

I don't recall offering to meet you half way but if I did then lets do it, but I have been off the road now for a couple years so I don't offer to make trips as I use to, I think I do remember responding to a post with simply "Road Trip", if you take that as a offer for me to come out there to visit you so be it, but honestly I went this route with another internet Puke ( Virgil ) and after driving all night he punked out so no I don't take these offers to serious.

My older sister and her family live there; she's married to a black guy

This explains your fascination with Blacks well this or the fact you say you where locked up and more than likley belonged to Leroy.

and id like to see you more legitimate tough guys who aren't holier than thou explain to a twelve and fourteen year old how blacks are generally outrageously indecent ghetto thieves.

Stop putting words in my mouth ( a true sign of a punk ) I said the prisons are filled with Black, no need for me to come out to explain that tell them to look it up, you are more than welcome to show them this site, ooo there are many more if you choose to look, but honestly the stats black to white although higher for black is much closer than I thought, seems the blacks crying all the time about the poor black man being locked up is just another sympathy cry.

http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_percentage_of_black_men_in_prison_than _white_men

In lookin forward to it. Anyone want my number to set it up? Send me a pm. I make no apologies for standing up against sometimes I think is wrong.

As for the rest Blah Blah Blah. Said in true internet tough guy fashion !!!

[Drummond]

Sowell is a left winger now??? I've heard everything. The jack boot fits you.

I've no idea one way or the other. Neither have I made any assertions about that. But, if you need to .. well, I daresay it'll be in character.

353 pages, eh ? Hoping to silence me for a couple of days ?

My laughter will break the silence, I'm afraid.

And what do you expect me to do with your link ? Buy the book ? What if it turns out that doing so would put me in the position of supplying funds to someone who actually IS a Left winger ?

Shall I post you a link to some Ann Coulter publications ? Will you buy her books if I do ?

[Jeff]

I've shown you and your jackboots to be wrong so many times that it's not worth the bother. FWIW I noticed that you failed to answer the question unless I missed it in your blather to back your buddy.



Here's your claim:



There wasn't any truth in there, mere scapegoating by stereotype. I acknowledge that there are crime stats that one can point to and would be relevant in certain circumstances but Sowell, which you didn't bother responding to, completely countered your post. Either you believe the black race is "less advanced" or you don't. Your words said that they were which means that they were racist, if you didn't mean it then you can acknowledge that your post was, shall we say, incomplete.

For myself... I point to failure of government programs to explain demographic disparities. But that's just the leftie in me. :rolleyes:

Here is the difference between Fj and the other guy, Fj debates ( and yes the last I looked this is what this site is for ) and God knows there is no love lost between any on this post, but it doesn't turn into a personal insult fest, I don't agree with a lot of Fj's opinions but I do respect them and I respect the way he will debate them, and yes him and Tyr, Drummond and who ever else is involved can get ugly but it doesn't deteriorate into personal insults !!! This is why politics a side I have invited Fj to events outside this board, he has his political stands and I mine but he is also a well educated human being that I have had a good time with in person ( Glad he didn't show his liberal side :laugh: )

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I have been to the ghettos after dark. If I told you I've been arrested for murder, would that surprise you? Don't pretend you know me.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


--"if", :laugh2:--Tyr

[Drummond]

Here is the difference between Fj and the other guy, Fj debates ( and yes the last I looked this is what this site is for ) and God knows there is no love lost between any on this post, but it doesn't turn into a personal insult fest, I don't agree with a lot of Fj's opinions but I do respect them and I respect the way he will debate them, and yes him and Tyr, Drummond and who ever else is involved can get ugly but it doesn't deteriorate into personal insults !!! This is why politics a side I have invited Fj to events outside this board, he has his political stands and I mine but he is also a well educated human being that I have had a good time with in person ( Glad he didn't show his liberal side :laugh: )

Jeff, I'm tempted to think that I must be misinterpreting you.

My experience of FJ is vastly different. If I can rely on anyone on this forum to stoop to personal insults, instead of honest debate, it's FJ !!!

In fact, just minutes ago, I answered a post of his where he asked me if I'd maybe been on acid, as a young Leftie .. which is fairly typical of FJ. My experience of him is that he'll only debate fairly if he thinks he's winning. When he finds he's not, then fair debating goes completely out of the window. Post quotes are rewritten in order to try to ridicule the opponent. Or he'll just chuck an insult, or even a volley of them, at said opponent.

He CAN argue well, and even intelligently. But he'll never let his ego do any less than dominate his debates, so when he's losing, the nasty stuff emerges, 'on cue'. And as for his supposedly being a 'Thatcherite' .... I've proven, more than once, that he lacks even basic knowledge about her.

Sorry, Jeff. You seem to accept there are grounds for respecting FJ. Mine evaporated quite some time ago. Which I happen to think is a pity ... but it was also inevitable.

[Jeff]

Jeff, I'm tempted to think that I must be misinterpreting you.

My experience of FJ is vastly different. If I can rely on anyone on this forum to stoop to personal insults, instead of honest debate, it's FJ !!!

In fact, just minutes ago, I answered a post of his where he asked me if I'd maybe been on acid, as a young Leftie .. which is fairly typical of FJ. My experience of him is that he'll only debate fairly if he thinks he's winning. When he finds he's not, then fair debating goes completely out of the window. Post quotes are rewritten in order to try to ridicule the opponent. Or he'll just chuck an insult, or even a volley of them, at said opponent.

He CAN argue well, and even intelligently. But he'll never let his ego do any less than dominate his debates, so when he's losing, the nasty stuff emerges, 'on cue'. And as for his supposedly being a 'Thatcherite' .... I've proven, more than once, that he lacks even basic knowledge about her.

Sorry, Jeff. You seem to accept there are grounds for respecting FJ. Mine evaporated quite some time ago. Which I happen to think is a pity ... but it was also inevitable.

When I say personal Drummond I mean family, I am no saint myself and I do dish out ( what I guess is personal ) insults but I do try and leave family alone, I know you and Fj go back and forth a good bit as does Tyr and a few others, by no means am I siding with Fj I just feel he does keep his insults to the poster ( you , me , Tyr , ect... ) not family. I can live with people cracking on me, but where I live or how I take care of my family is the personal cracks I think crosses the line. I look at it this way with Fj, id I leave out politics I can hold a conversation with him and to me in order to do that yes I have respect for him.

[logroller]

As for the rest Blah Blah Blah. Said in true internet tough guy fashion !!!
I wasnt challenging you; although, Id me happy to come to you when I can. regarding my arrest disclosure, it was only for a few days becUse it was justified. That's no excuse IMO, I put myself in a position I shouldn't have. I wasn't a criminal; I just worked as hard I partied and the people I was with did too. Some guy started beating a friend with an asp and I drew down, he bolts and then pops back with a vest. So I shot him. I guess I should have stuck around but I didn't. I ran. Maybe its a punk move in your opinion, but I was scared.
Anyways, the reason I share this isn't to grow the cancer that you feel you am but to explain why I do what I do. I've always felt like I didn't belong. I used big words and liked math; I was teased as a nerd and no matter who I stood up to, I never felt like I belonged. Partying changed that; or so I thought; here I had a group that I belonged but it wasnt me.


So that's why I get so pissed when someone starts lumping whole groups together as lesser. Maybe nobody else here has ever felt less than and fucked with in their head, and I'm sure I could do better job of confronting it; so please accept my apologies for my shortcomings. It just enrages me when I see this pedantic labeling of others because I know how that hurts. I've joined in I feel worse; done the ignore thing but it persists; I strike back and I'm the asshole. What else am I to do? Fuck it I guess; this place just ain't for me.

[Drummond]

I wasnt challenging you; although, Id me happy to come to you when I can. regarding my arrest disclosure, it was only for a few days becUse it was justified. That's no excuse IMO, I put myself in a position I shouldn't have. I wasn't a criminal; I just worked as hard I partied and the people I was with did too. Some guy started beating a friend with an asp and I drew down, he bolts and then pops back with a vest. So I shot him. I guess I should have stuck around but I didn't. I ran. Maybe its a punk move in your opinion, but I was scared.
Anyways, the reason I share this isn't to grow the cancer that you feel you am but to explain why I do what I do. I've always felt like I didn't belong. I used big words and liked math; I was teased as a nerd and no matter who I stood up to, I never felt like I belonged. Partying changed that; or so I thought; here I had a group that I belonged but it wasnt me.


So that's why I get so pissed when someone starts lumping whole groups together as lesser. Maybe nobody else here has ever felt less than and fucked with in their head, and I'm sure I could do better job of confronting it; so please accept my apologies for my shortcomings. It just enrages me when I see this pedantic labeling of others because I know how that hurts. I've joined in I feel worse; done the ignore thing but it persists; I strike back and I'm the asshole. What else am I to do? Fuck it I guess; this place just ain't for me.

Thanks for sharing this with the forum.

But, really ... isn't there a big flaw in your reasoning ?

You say:


So that's why I get so pissed when someone starts lumping whole groups together as lesser.

... and ...


It just enrages me when I see this pedantic labeling of others because I know how that hurts.

But be honest, Logroller. What you're critical of .. haven't you done just the same ? If, according to you, you consider it all 'unjust', then can't you accept that the same unjustness applies to your own approach ?

You tagged people here as 'racist'. Why ... to compliment them ?? OR, to make them 'lesser' in other peoples' eyes ??

If it enrages you when you see 'pedantic labelling of others', then by what moral right do you freely indulge in the very thing you say you detest in others ??

On those grounds alone, you lose whatever moral high ground you want to carve out for yourself.

But you went further still, and pitched your attacks on a yet more personal level. Even IF you'd had the 'just' grounds for 'outrage' that you're reporting, I'm having a hard time seeing that what you did was any better.

And you didn't have those grounds in any case.

It's already been argued, and it's true ... what you reacted to was an honest recounting of a person's experiences, and the conclusion(s) that led to. Fact is, you had no way of countering, definitively and with decisive material, the actual accuracy of what you were being told ... for example, AREN'T your prisons full of black people ??

YES, or NO ? Truth, or untruth ?

You can disagree about what conclusions you draw from the facts of the matter. That is your right and your privilege. But, guess what ? OTHERS HAVE THAT VERY SAME RIGHT. And certainly without getting personally attacked.

Besides, if you were really hankering for such an altercation, why didn't you just take it to the Steel Cage immediately ?

I think I know why. You wanted your attacks to receive 'mainstream' attention, because they were done for wider effect ... as an intended manipulation of generalised sentiment and belief values. You were .. and as I've argued .. being FORMULAIC about it, operating according to a more Left-wing methodology. I've seen it before, many times. I'm sure I'll see it many more times in the future.

Whether or not you care to admit I'm right ... suit yourself. But I'm making perfect sense, and well you know it.

[DebateDrone]

Current thread/posts aside - what if someone were to merely point out FBI statistics and census data?

...And that is relevant how? Simply posting data is not proof of anything. You must show how that data is in correlation to your contention.

[jimnyc]

...And that is relevant how? Simply posting data is not proof of anything. You must show how that data is in correlation to your contention.

Data all by itself is proof of the statistics. If I created a thread called "crime statistics" and posted these statistics, and did so alone - that in itself is racist? My contention is that in certain categories, mostly violent crime, blacks commit an inordinate amount of those crimes, while making up a much smaller percentage of the population.

[DebateDrone]

Data all by itself is proof of the statistics. If I created a thread called "crime statistics" and posted these statistics, and did so alone - that in itself is racist? My contention is that in certain categories, mostly violent crime, blacks commit an inordinate amount of those crimes, while making up a much smaller percentage of the population.

Simply pointing out the statistics for blacks seems odd unless the intended implication wishes to go further.

[jimnyc]

Simply pointing out the statistics for blacks seems odd unless the intended implication wishes to go further.

I don't claim to know why the violent crime statistics are so leaning towards a race that makes up a smaller population. Above my pay grade. But sometimes when people point out problems within certain communities, I will offer up the statistics as perhaps a reasoning into some issues. Crime will tear down neighborhoods. I simply offer up the data and get accused of being a racist, going back ten years of online discussions.

And even without a prior discussion, and was simply pointing it out - it's STILL not racist. Not unless the person reading it cares to draw a conclusion based on their own opinions. But the data by itself is not racist. If it were, then the FBI is racist too. As they don't post this data for a discussion, they simply post the data as collected statistics.

[Gaffer]

It would be nice if there were intelligent people in the media, but then the media wouldn't be liberal.

Racism is a belief in ones own racial superiority over another. And that's not what we are dealing with now days. We are dealing with the old prejudice thinking. If you don't like black people, your prejudice, not racist. If you don't like white, people your prejudice, not racist. The term racist was hijacked by the media because they were too lazy to look up the real meaning of the word. Now everyone uses it. If you want to call someone a name because of their prejudice the correct term would be bigot, not racist.

[revelarts]

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[DebateDrone]

I don't claim to know why the violent crime statistics are so leaning towards a race that makes up a smaller population. Above my pay grade. But sometimes when people point out problems within certain communities, I will offer up the statistics as perhaps a reasoning into some issues. Crime will tear down neighborhoods. I simply offer up the data and get accused of being a racist, going back ten years of online discussions.

And even without a prior discussion, and was simply pointing it out - it's STILL not racist. Not unless the person reading it cares to draw a conclusion based on their own opinions. But the data by itself is not racist. If it were, then the FBI is racist too. As they don't post this data for a discussion, they simply post the data as collected statistics.

What law enforcement agencies are your sources on crime statistics? Do you use more than one source? What crime data sources categorize by crime and by racial \ ethnic make up?

What sources do you most use?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

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Rev. that movie shows how the system of law and justice worked I that time.
What we have now is an entirely different government, adherence to the Rule of Law and culture. Sure , it is nice to say and think that is the way to go but Hoss that way has been destroyed--the Justice system is itself to corrupt , too political and too in the tank for the new emerging government order.
This nation is to far gone for that to work. And that is because to try to use that process now to restore us to the right path is an exercise in futility.
In case you missed it my friend, -- Reason, Logic and Law ARE NOW UNDER LOCK AND KEY! There is no true Federal Department of Justice to correct or maintain the Representative Republic that the Founders gifted us!
The Law has not been replaced with belief in the Savior, willingness to ride along with the socialist Utopia propaganda now being fed to the masses.
No sir, we are too far gone, sad but true.
Any true reversing will not how to come by way of only one path.
A path they(government ) had engineered and prepped for.
No sir, we will not get off so easily.
It will take a civil war to reverse this and that is why they feel so damn smug and happy about where we are now.
They think or know most Americans will refuse to fight for their rights!
They bank on wiping out those that day real quickly.
And that my friend is -if- even that attempt to stop the agenda takes place.
Law can only be used to correct the system when the system itself obeys and adheres to the Rule of Law and the Constitution--currently it does not!! -Tyr

[jimnyc]

What law enforcement agencies are your sources on crime statistics? Do you use more than one source? What crime data sources categorize by crime and by racial \ ethnic make up?

What sources do you most use?

FBI, generally from the 1980's to current day. And they do categorize by race. I like to stick with such government sources. Do you think the FBI stats are inaccurate?

[Nukeman]

What law enforcement agencies are your sources on crime statistics? Do you use more than one source? What crime data sources categorize by crime and by racial \ ethnic make up?

What sources do you most use?Once again quit being obtuse and use "Google" it is your friend. Why are you hell bent on having others do your leg work?????

[fj1200]

I've no idea one way or the other. Neither have I made any assertions about that. But, if you need to .. well, I daresay it'll be in character.

353 pages, eh ? Hoping to silence me for a couple of days ?

My laughter will break the silence, I'm afraid.

And what do you expect me to do with your link ? Buy the book ? What if it turns out that doing so would put me in the position of supplying funds to someone who actually IS a Left winger ?

Shall I post you a link to some Ann Coulter publications ? Will you buy her books if I do ?

:laugh: Mayhap a bit of research would do you well. Thomas Sowell is frequently praised on this site. But what you could do without buying the book is understanding the points that he can make very well.

Would buying a Coulter book tell me something I don't already know?

[fj1200]

Jeff, I'm tempted to think that I must be misinterpreting you.

My experience of FJ is vastly different. If I can rely on anyone on this forum to stoop to personal insults, instead of honest debate, it's FJ !!!

In fact, just minutes ago, I answered a post of his where he asked me if I'd maybe been on acid, as a young Leftie .. which is fairly typical of FJ. My experience of him is that he'll only debate fairly if he thinks he's winning. When he finds he's not, then fair debating goes completely out of the window. Post quotes are rewritten in order to try to ridicule the opponent. Or he'll just chuck an insult, or even a volley of them, at said opponent.

He CAN argue well, and even intelligently. But he'll never let his ego do any less than dominate his debates, so when he's losing, the nasty stuff emerges, 'on cue'. And as for his supposedly being a 'Thatcherite' .... I've proven, more than once, that he lacks even basic knowledge about her.

Sorry, Jeff. You seem to accept there are grounds for respecting FJ. Mine evaporated quite some time ago. Which I happen to think is a pity ... but it was also inevitable.

/\Utter rot (is that what they say across the pond?)

If your imagination was capable of honest debate you would get it. When you recognize how utterly wrong you are then we can move forward.

[fj1200]

...And that is relevant how? Simply posting data is not proof of anything. You must show how that data is in correlation to your contention.

That's true for what it's worth.


Data all by itself is proof of the statistics. If I created a thread called "crime statistics" and posted these statistics, and did so alone - that in itself is racist? My contention is that in certain categories, mostly violent crime, blacks commit an inordinate amount of those crimes, while making up a much smaller percentage of the population.

Nope, not racist. And unfortunately true but as Sowell and others have pointed out race is not causation.

[fj1200]

It's already been argued, and it's true ... what you reacted to was an honest recounting of a person's experiences, and the conclusion(s) that led to. Fact is, you had no way of countering, definitively and with decisive material, the actual accuracy of what you were being told ... for example, AREN'T your prisons full of black people ??

YES, or NO ? Truth, or untruth ?

...

Whether or not you care to admit I'm right ... suit yourself. But I'm making perfect sense, and well you know it.

How are you right? That blacks make up the majority of those in prison and in the crime statistics? That has never been in question. The question is whether blacks are "more prone" or "centuries behind" and that has been shown to be false. Are you right that a person's personal experiences and conclusions are correct? No, that is not correct.


The rise of the welfare state in the 1960s contributed greatly to the demise of the black family as a stable institution. The out-of-wedlock birth rate among African Americans today is 73%, three times higher than it was prior to the War on Poverty. Children raised in fatherless homes are far more likely to grow up poor and to eventually engage in criminal behavior, than their peers who are raised in two-parent homes. In 2010, blacks (approximately 13% of the U.S. population) accounted for (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43) 48.7% of all arrests for homicide, 31.8% of arrests for forcible rape, 33.5% of arrests for aggravated assault, and 55% of arrests for robbery. Also as of 2010, the black poverty rate was 27.4% (http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmcensus1.html) (about 3 times higher (http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/income_wealth/cb11-157.html) than the white rate), meaning that 11.5 million blacks in the U.S. were living in poverty.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1672


A review of the empirical evidence in the professional literature of the social sciences gives policymakers an insight into the root causes of crime. Consider, for instance:

Over the past thirty years, the rise in violent crime parallels the rise in families abandoned by fathers.
High-crime neighborhoods are characterized by high concentrations of families abandoned by fathers.
State-by-state analysis by Heritage scholars indicates that a 10 percent increase in the percentage of children living in single-parent homes leads typically to a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime.
The rate of violent teenage crime corresponds with the number of families abandoned by fathers.
The type of aggression and hostility demonstrated by a future criminal often is foreshadowed in unusual aggressiveness as early as age five or six.
The future criminal tends to be an individual rejected by other children as early as the first grade who goes on to form his own group of friends, often the future delinquent gang.

On the other hand:


Neighborhoods with a high degree of religious practice are not high-crime neighborhoods.
Even in high-crime inner-city neighborhoods, well over 90 percent of children from safe, stable homes do not become delinquents. By contrast only 10 percent of children from unsafe, unstable homes in these neighborhoods avoid crime.
Criminals capable of sustaining marriage gradually move away from a life of crime after they get married.
The mother's strong affectionate attachment to her child is the child's best buffer against a life of crime.
The father's authority and involvement in raising his children are also a great buffer against a life of crime.

The scholarly evidence, in short, suggests that at the heart of the explosion of crime in America is the loss of the capacity of fathers and mothers to be responsible in caring for the children they bring into the world. This loss of love and guidance at the intimate levels of marriage and family has broad social consequences for children and for the wider community. The empirical evidence shows that too many young men and women from broken families tend to have a much weaker sense of connection with their neighborhood and are prone to exploit its members to satisfy their unmet needs or desires. This contributes to a loss of a sense of community and to the disintegration of neighborhoods into social chaos and violent crime. If policymakers are to deal with the root causes of crime, therefore, they must deal with the rapid rise of illegitimacy.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1995/03/bg1026nbsp-the-real-root-causes-of-violent-crime

Posted in another thread.


Teenagers tend to be low skilled. They lack the experience, knowledge and maturity of adults. That means they will be the primary victims of a minimum wage law. But why are black teens more heavily impacted than white teens? Black teens are far more likely to come from broken homes and attend some of the worst schools in the nation. Therefore, a law that discriminates against the employment of low-skilled workers will have a greater impact on black workers. Moreover, the minimum wage subsidizes racial discrimination. After all, if you must pay $7.25 an hour to whomever you hire, you might as well hire people you like the most, even if they are of identical skill.
http://www.creators.com/conservative/walter-williams/collusion-against-our-youth.html

There is no sense in your position.

[aboutime]

We must all keep in mind. Whenever posting in response to, or with fj. Only fj is RIGHT, and CORRECT about every topic.

Just ask him.

[Gunny]

We must all keep in mind. Whenever posting in response to, or with fj. Only fj is RIGHT, and CORRECT about every topic.

Just ask him.

Let's be honest though. That's true about all of us. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Some are just less right than ME.:laugh:

[Abbey Marie]

Let's be honest though. That's true about all of us. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Some are just less right than ME.:laugh:


:laugh2:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Would buying a Coulter book tell me something I don't already know?

Sure it would, if you opened your mind but I suspect that you have her judged to be a rightwing loon. Truth is that she is a genius..
Now, now, don't come both guns ablazin' away at me dude for saying that or else you will force me to prove it about her and then how silly ya gonna look??? ;)--Tyr

[fj1200]

Sure it would, if you opened your mind but I suspect that you have her judged to be a rightwing loon. Truth is that she is a genius..
Now, now, don't come both guns ablazin' away at me dude for saying that or else you will force me to prove it about her and then how silly ya gonna look??? ;)--Tyr

Actually the operative part of my statement was 'already know.' I don't expect I would gain too much useful information. But at least I don't look as silly as the author of the OP of this thread that has been thoroughly debunked. :)

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

But at least I don't look as silly as the author of the OP of this thread that has been thoroughly debunked. :)

debunked?
What, you fell of de bunk? :laugh:
Well next time take the bottom bunk so the trip down will be much shorter!
As to your claim of having proven me racist I say bullshit...

I stated truth , a truth you disagree with so you cast forth the racist charge --just like a liberal always does. However, that tactic does not work against me because I am not a coward nor am I a damn appeaser.

FBI stats do not lie yet you ignored those or else went with the insanely presented proposition that TRUTH is racist. You remember , that attempt to cut off using truth(facts) by somebody declaring that TRUTH IS RACIST!

You are famous here for declaring a false victory....

Now climb back on DE bunk and try again..- ;) -Tyr

[fj1200]

debunked?
What, you fell of de bunk? :laugh:
Well next time take the bottom bunk so the trip down will be much shorter!
As to your claim of having proven me racist I say bullshit...

I stated truth , a truth you disagree with so you cast forth the racist charge --just like a liberal always does. However, that tactic does not work against me because I am not a coward nor am I a damn appeaser.

FBI stats do not lie yet you ignored those or else went with the insanely presented proposition that TRUTH is racist. You remember , that attempt to cut off using truth(facts) by somebody declaring that TRUTH IS RACIST!

You are famous here for declaring a false victory....

Now climb back on DE bunk and try again..- ;) -Tyr

False victory? You're the one who started a thread to discuss your ignorant statements in another thread with a completely false premise. Nevertheless yes, debunked. You might want to review the thread and all of the posts that prove you to be wrong. Post #80 in particular is a fine summary which you and the knuckleheads have so far not addressed.

But again a liberal will cast a racist charge when, for example, a conservative disagrees with someone who happens to be black. I, a conservative, cast a racist charge against someone who makes racist statements. There's a difference there that I hope you can catch on to.

You could also point out where I have disputed FBI stats... oh that's right, you can't.

[fj1200]

Did you address this yet?


Go ahead and tell me how blacks needing "another couple of centuries to advance to any decent level" is not racist.


The first point to make is that it's important to say that these are Tyr's own observations and experiences. I'm pointing this out because I think that the difference in country is relevant.

What Tyr observes is something I've recognised as true over here .. to a point, the specific point being that I think in the UK it's a diminishing truth. Bear in mind that we've had generations of Socialism here (.. off and on ..) ... which means that a dependency culture is more entrenched into the very fabric of our society.

My belief is this ... America is different, to the extent that this is more race-centred in the US than over here. You have a different race-mix. You have a different history. This is why it's better for Tyr to comment than myself, because he's reporting on experiences which are true for him, and his (and your ?) culture.

Tyr centred on thieving. In American culture, there's less State help, so less capacity to thieve on a grand scale. Here, with the State falling over itself to offer benefits, race-minority people can just jump in and take what they can get on the grandest of scales. And they do.

First point. I can't address his own observations and experiences because I wasn't there. I could point out my own observations and experiences but it couldn't be validated. Nevertheless you'll have to agree that any one person relaying their observations and experiences is only anecdotal information, correct? FWIW I reject the difference in country argument because race is what was brought up.

Second point. I'm not really sure what point you're trying to bring up re: US vs. UK. The question centers around property crime and not partaking in living on the dole.


And ... here's the real point, I think ....

I think your own posting lends authentication, as if it needed it, to Tyr's posting. I do NOT see you challenging Tyr's comments in useful detail ... why is that ? SURELY, if he's wrong, you should be capable of doing this ?

But .. no. You name-call. You tack a demonising label on it, and on him. No detailed critique from you, no counterings of real substance .. just a term used in order to personally attack.

Actually your "real point" has already been addressed as the claims have been disputed by Messr.s Sowell and Williams who are not lacking in conservative credibility. :) Conservatives like myself are looking at the true causes of crime so that they can be addressed correctly.


Show me I'm wrong. I challenge you to.

Done. :)

[Drummond]

Did you address this yet?

What would you have me address, that hasn't already been covered ?

The issue isn't quite what you're characterising it to be. The answer, made previously, is simply that if the observation is TRUE, then it cannot be racist.


First point. I can't address his own observations and experiences because I wasn't there. I could point out my own observations and experiences but it couldn't be validated.

The weakness in this is that it works both ways. You've arrogantly rushed to judgment of Tyr, even though you admit you weren't on hand to be any judge of what he's reported. You label Tyr ... and certainly his conclusions ... but you can't give Tyr credit for having any capacity to judge for himself.

THAT, FJ, is a lamentable double standard. You DO judge, yet .... well .... HOW do you ?? On what basis, if not from preferential pre-judgment ?


Second point. I'm not really sure what point you're trying to bring up re: US vs. UK. The question centers around property crime and not partaking in living on the dole.

Both involve thievery, just different forms of it. The attitude prevalent in each is comparable.



Actually your "real point" has already been addressed as the claims have been disputed by Messr.s Sowell and Williams who are not lacking in conservative credibility.

I've no familiarity with Sowell, other than to see that the offerings observed appear to be in themselves anecdotal.


Conservatives like myself are looking at the true causes of crime so that they can be addressed correctly.

False.

1. You're not a Conservative.

2. Labelling from preconceived notions does not lend itself to any fair analysis of subject-matter. You label. You demonise, from a purely emotional standpoint, which is NOT 'looking' at the true cause of ANYTHING.

Accept that Tyr judges from observations which have validity to him, BECAUSE he has a basis for that validity. Make that the starting-point of your thinking.

[fj1200]

What would you have me address, that hasn't already been covered ?

The issue isn't quite what you're characterising it to be. The answer, made previously, is simply that if the observation is TRUE, then it cannot be racist.

You should address the out-and-out language that he used as racist. Your answer is downright ridiculous and irrelevant. His observation is false as it relates to the larger picture.


The weakness in this is that it works both ways. You've arrogantly rushed to judgment of Tyr, even though you admit you weren't on hand to be any judge of what he's reported. You label Tyr ... and certainly his conclusions ... but you can't give Tyr credit for having any capacity to judge for himself.

THAT, FJ, is a lamentable double standard. You DO judge, yet .... well .... HOW do you ?? On what basis, if not from preferential pre-judgment ?

I didn't rush to any judgement. I judged his words for specifically what they were. He could have restated his words but he chose to double down on them. As I said I can directly counter his observations with mine yet you rush to support his conclusion which can only be done by ignoring what studies show to be true.


Both involve thievery, just different forms of it. The attitude prevalent in each is comparable.

And as such is irrelevant to the topic at hand. If you want to have a conversation about how socialism sucks then we can but the question is what blacks are "prone to do."


I've no familiarity with Sowell, other than to see that the offerings observed appear to be in themselves anecdotal.

I just don't know what to say to that. Apparently you don't want to learn from what he has to say.


False.

1. You're not a Conservative.

2. Labelling from preconceived notions does not lend itself to any fair analysis of subject-matter. You label. You demonise, from a purely emotional standpoint, which is NOT 'looking' at the true cause of ANYTHING.

Accept that Tyr judges from observations which have validity to him, BECAUSE he has a basis for that validity. Make that the starting-point of your thinking.

:laugh:

1. Nobody agrees with you. Ask Abbey. ;)

2. I haven't demonised anything. I'm addressing your argument for what it is just as I addressed tyr's post for what it was.

3. I can show, and have shown, that his observation is wrong on a macro level.

[Abbey Marie]

You should address the out-and-out language that he used as racist. Your answer is downright ridiculous and irrelevant. His observation is false as it relates to the larger picture.



I didn't rush to any judgement. I judged his words for specifically what they were. He could have restated his words but he chose to double down on them. As I said I can directly counter his observations with mine yet you rush to support his conclusion which can only be done by ignoring what studies show to be true.



And as such is irrelevant to the topic at hand. If you want to have a conversation about how socialism sucks then we can but the question is what blacks are "prone to do."



I just don't know what to say to that. Apparently you don't want to learn from what he has to say.



:laugh:

1. Nobody agrees with you. Ask Abbey. ;)

2. I haven't demonised anything. I'm addressing your argument for what it is just as I addressed tyr's post for what it was.

3. I can show, and have shown, that his observation is wrong on a macro level.

FJ, do you disagree that you like to disagree? ;)

[fj1200]

FJ, do you disagree that you like to disagree? ;)

I disagree... I think. Wait. What? :cheers2:

EDIT:

j/k. I agree that I occasionally like to disagree. :)

[Drummond]

You should address the out-and-out language that he used as racist.

You're labelling. Again.


Your answer is downright ridiculous and irrelevant.

... and here begins some abusive commentary ?


His observation is false as it relates to the larger picture.

This is, as it stands, just a judgment call. Show me you're right.


I didn't rush to any judgement. I judged his words for specifically what they were.

-- Still labelling.


He could have restated his words but he chose to double down on them.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'double down' (is this an American term ?).


As I said I can directly counter his observations with mine ....

Do you really not perceive the double standard here ? If YOU posted an account of your 'observations', wouldn't you expect them to be taken seriously ? YET .... you are highly resistant to extending that principle to Tyr. And, why ? Because you prefer not to !


yet you rush to support his conclusion which can only be done by ignoring what studies show to be true.

So bite the bullet -- do you declare Tyr's observations to be falsehoods - to put it a little more bluntly, are you saying that Tyr has lied ?

And as for the 'studies' you suggest the existence of .. tell me, why do you accept THEIR worth ? Because you prefer to ?


And as such is irrelevant to the topic at hand. If you want to have a conversation about how socialism sucks then we can

Perhaps another time. Your efforts to defend it, whilst claiming a distance from it, promises to be entertaining.


.. but the question is what blacks are "prone to do."

What do incarceration-rates suggest is true for that ?


I just don't know what to say to that. Apparently you don't want to learn from what he has to say.

Likewise, because I know nothing about Sowell. He could be a mere propagandist, biased to the hilt.



:laugh:

1. Nobody agrees with you.

SERIOUSLY ?????


Ask Abbey. ;)

Abbey isn't the only person on this forum. And I can't account for her view, if it differs from mine.


2. I haven't demonised anything. I'm addressing your argument for what it is just as I addressed tyr's post for what it was.

NO demonisation ?? Did I imagine, then, seeing the word 'racist' from you ??


3. I can show, and have shown, that his observation is wrong on a macro level.

Nope (... whatever that precisely means ...).

[Abbey Marie]

I disagree... I think. Wait. What? :cheers2:


:cool:

[Abbey Marie]

...

Abbey isn't the only person on this forum. And I can't account for her view, if it differs from mine.

...





Wait, what?!

J/K, Drummond. You know I love ya!

[fj1200]

And this is your "honest debating"? :rolleyes: Paragraphs; an awesome invention.


You're labelling. Again.

Oh geez.


... and here begins some abusive commentary ?

Is everything abusive to you?


This is, as it stands, just a judgment call. Show me you're right.

What do you think I've been posting all this time? It's all there if you bother to read the links. Please, show me a willingness to learn, a willingness to admit that you're wrong, a willingness to admit that your friend may be wrong. I promise you, there isn't a leftie link in the bunch.


-- Still labelling.

:rolleyes: I've labeled TRUTH.


I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'double down' (is this an American term ?).

They don't gamble in the UK?


Do you really not perceive the double standard here ? If YOU posted an account of your 'observations', wouldn't you expect them to be taken seriously ? YET .... you are highly resistant to extending that principle to Tyr. And, why ? Because you prefer not to !

If my observations were shown to be false then they shouldn't be taken seriously.


So bite the bullet -- do you declare Tyr's observations to be falsehoods - to put it a little more bluntly, are you saying that Tyr has lied ?

And as for the 'studies' you suggest the existence of .. tell me, why do you accept THEIR worth ? Because you prefer to ?

How can I declare his observations to be false. I do declare that his extension to an entire race is false as I've shown.


Perhaps another time. Your efforts to defend it, whilst claiming a distance from it, promises to be entertaining.

:facepalm99:


What do incarceration-rates suggest is true for that ?

Their suggestion is incorrect. Seriously read the links dude.


Likewise, because I know nothing about Sowell. He could be a mere propagandist, biased to the hilt.

Read for yourself or ask anyone here. It's not that hard.


SERIOUSLY ?????

Except for the knuckleheads but I left that out because I'm trying to debate honestly. :rolleyes:


Abbey isn't the only person on this forum. And I can't account for her view, if it differs from mine.

You're more than happy to take her statement that you're "not dumb" but her other opinion "you can't account for." :laugh:


NO demonisation ?? Did I imagine, then, seeing the word 'racist' from you ??

Nope. I correctly used a definition.


Nope (... whatever that precisely means ...).

It means read the studies and educate yourself. Do you need another dictionary?

[fj1200]

An experiment.


If YOU posted an account of your 'observations', wouldn't you expect them to be taken seriously ?

It is my observation that all Brits that I've come in contact with on message boards are pale, humourless, obnoxious, bloviating, blowhards that express undue, paranoid fear towards lefties.

My observations are TRUTH; they must be taken seriously.

[Drummond]

Wait, what?!

J/K, Drummond. You know I love ya!

Abbey, you're a sweetie .. ! ;)

Seriously .. if you want to lend FJ support, go to it.

[Drummond]

And this is your "honest debating"? :rolleyes: Paragraphs; an awesome invention.

[quote]Oh geez.

No, my monicker is 'Drummond'.


Is everything abusive to you?

Only that which IS abusive.

There's a bit of a clue in the word, FJ ...


What do you think I've been posting all this time?

You want a totally candid and honest answer to that ? I'll happily oblige. What you've been posting, all this time, is whatever you can contrive in order to launch attack-prose against Conservatives here. This thread is evidence of but one manifestation of that.


It's all there if you bother to read the links. Please, show me a willingness to learn, a willingness to admit that you're wrong, a willingness to admit that your friend may be wrong. I promise you, there isn't a leftie link in the bunch.

With lessons available to learn, then the latitude exists to learn them. That is the big difference between you and I (.. that, and the opposite ends of the political spectrum we are each loyal to). But what I see in your current posting is the beginning of a slide towards greater abusiveness .. once more. You seem incapable of breaking the pattern.


:rolleyes: I've labeled TRUTH.

Your labelling is an attempt at demonisation. At invoking a kneejerk reaction. But taken as a literal statement, I must agree with you here. You have, indeed, stuck a label on TRUTH.

Tyr's truth.


They don't gamble in the UK?

'They' do. But I do not. So I suppose that's the difficulty.


If my observations were shown to be false then they shouldn't be taken seriously.

:rolleyes:

You realise, FJ, that you're in danger of suggesting that you're less than perfect ??

But the parallel you're trying to draw doesn't work. Tyr's observations have not been shown to be false. They've been labelled, attempts at demonisation have been made. Nothing more.


How can I declare his observations to be false.

Short of lying, I don't know.


I do declare that his extension to an entire race is false as I've shown.

Here, you're trying an underhand attempt to re-establish the 'racist' tag. Again. But this is covered by the TRUTH assertion, something you've still failed to counter.


:facepalm99:

.... my own exact reaction to Leftieism.


Their suggestion is incorrect. Seriously read the links dude.

You're suggesting ... false information ?

Prove it.


Except for the knuckleheads but I left that out because I'm trying to debate honestly. :rolleyes:

Ignoring your abusive term ... care to place a number on that 'description' ? How many ?


You're more than happy to take her statement that you're "not dumb" but her other opinion "you can't account for." :laugh:

Absolutely correct !:coffee:


Nope. I correctly used a definition.

You did the Leftie thing of trying to demonise something you preferred to see rejected out of hand.


It means read the studies and educate yourself. Do you need another dictionary?

Thank you kindly.

[Drummond]

An experiment.



It is my observation that all Brits that I've come in contact with on message boards are pale, humourless, obnoxious, bloviating, blowhards that express undue, paranoid fear towards lefties.

My observations are TRUTH; they must be taken seriously.

But as a parallel, it just doesn't work. Not as it stands, anyway.

Tyr's observations were backed by statistical fact, were they not ? So tell me, to keep the parallel pertinent: what stats can you offer to back up your assertion ?

Besides, I'd definitely challenge that last part of the statement. To my knowledge, you've definitely been in contact with Brits who ARE Lefties (or inclined that way, anyhow ..) ! Are you telling me that they scare THEMSELVES ?:eek::eek:

[Abbey Marie]

Abbey, you're a sweetie .. ! ;)

Seriously .. if you want to lend FJ support, go to it.

I stand by my one post where I said he isn't a leftie, and you are smart. Beyond that, you two are capable of taking care of yourselves just fine without me.

:beer:

[Gunny]

I stand by my one post where I said he isn't a leftie, and you are smart. Beyond that, you two are capable of taking care of yourselves just fine without me.

:beer:

He IS right though. You ARE a sweetie. ;)

Now, you want me to tell them what a hard ass you can be if they piss you off? :laugh:

It ain't pretty, it's quick. and you die fast. :laugh:

But if you want to hit the express lane, go screw with kathianne. :laugh::laugh:

Y'all are actually trying to kill me, aren't you? Had me laughing my tail off for three days.

[Drummond]

I stand by my one post where I said he isn't a leftie, and you are smart. Beyond that, you two are capable of taking care of yourselves just fine without me.

:beer::beer:

[Abbey Marie]

He IS right though. You ARE a sweetie. ;)

Now, you want me to tell them what a hard ass you can be if they piss you off? :laugh:

It ain't pretty, it's quick. and you die fast. :laugh:

But if you want to hit the express lane, go screw with kathianne. :laugh::laugh:

Y'all are actually trying to kill me, aren't you? Had me laughing my tail off for three days.

Lol, have you been talking to my husband? He can tell when the Bronx in me is about to show up.
:laugh2:

[Gunny]

Lol, have you been talking to my husband? He can tell when the Bronx in me is about to show up.
:laugh2:

No. I've just seen you get ticked off. And you will note I just ran and hid and watched from the corner.:laugh:

In case you haven't noticed, I've screwed with everyone here but you. And kathianne. SHE scares the crap out of me.:laugh:

[Abbey Marie]

No. I've just seen you get ticked off. And you will note I just ran and hid and watched from the corner.:laugh:

In case you haven't noticed, I've screwed with everyone here but you. And kathianne. SHE scares the crap out of me.:laugh:

Haha, I can't hold a candle to Kath in that department! Who knew those Midwest girls were so tough?!

:scared:

[Gunny]

Haha, I can't hold a candle to Kath in that department! Who knew those Midwest girls were so tough?!

:scared:

Kathianne is MEAN. She yelled at me one time and jumped in my butt and I STILL don't know what I did. I was just being my sweet, eloquent little self. :angel:

Disclaimer: Kath has always been nice to me, even when she was chewing my a$$. :)

[fj1200]

:blah:

I did as you asked and responded to your post without abusing your tender little heart and for all my trouble you have avoided addressing the links I've posted or addressing questions I've asked and you have let your imagination prattle on while parsing my posts sentence by sentence all the while failing to prove any point you're trying to make. Address the facts that the conservatives I've linked that have completely blown a whole in your argument or admit you're wrong.


But as a parallel, it just doesn't work. Not as it stands, anyway.

Tyr's observations were backed by statistical fact, were they not ? So tell me, to keep the parallel pertinent: what stats can you offer to back up your assertion ?

Besides, I'd definitely challenge that last part of the statement. To my knowledge, you've definitely been in contact with Brits who ARE Lefties (or inclined that way, anyhow ..) ! Are you telling me that they scare THEMSELVES ?:eek::eek:

I posted 100% TRUTH. My observations are valid and must be taken as FACT.

[Gunny]

I did as you asked and responded to your post without abusing your tender little heart and for all my trouble you have avoided addressing the links I've posted or addressing questions I've asked and you have let your imagination prattle on while parsing my posts sentence by sentence all the while failing to prove any point you're trying to make. Address the facts that the conservatives I've linked that have completely blown a whole in your argument or admit you're wrong.



I posted 100% TRUTH. My observations are valid and must be taken as FACT.

The original premise of the thread title STILL holds true. Disingenuous people use it as a means of dismissing ANYTHING the other side has to say, even if what they say is true/fact. It's a FAVORITE tactic of the left on political message boards, or people who haven't the capability to address an issue. A PC label used as a scare tactic against the right because it works.

And I don't need a bunch of stats. I can see with my own eyes. MY observations are 100% valid.

Racism is racism. However, a rose by any other name is still ......?

[fj1200]

The original premise of the thread title STILL holds true. Disingenuous people use it as a means of dismissing ANYTHING the other side has to say, even if what they say is true/fact.

Its misapplication here is quite glaring.

[Drummond]

I did as you asked and responded to your post without abusing your tender little heart and for all my trouble you have avoided addressing the links I've posted or addressing questions I've asked and you have let your imagination prattle on while parsing my posts sentence by sentence all the while failing to prove any point you're trying to make. Address the facts that the conservatives I've linked that have completely blown a whole in your argument or admit you're wrong.



I posted 100% TRUTH. My observations are valid and must be taken as FACT.

I see that you have reverted to type, FJ.

Civil debate with you didn't last very long, did it ? You've even gone back to the abusive quote rewrites ...

For all you have argued, you still haven't manage to counter the point of origin of this thread. On the one hand you label, you demonise. On the other, you fail to invalidate and to conclusively prove false that which you've opposed from Tyr. Tyr has his observations, and you cannot show us that those observations are a lie.

I'm sure you will go on to use such tactics in future threads, where and when you think you can. You will do so because the TRUTH is that you are implacably opposed to the Conservatives on this forum.

You know it. I know it. There are others here who also have that knowledge. It only remains for you to pile ever more evidence of this, here, in the future.

Since you cannot abide by the basic standard of civil debate for any appreciable period, there can be no future to such an exercise ... as I'd already decided, truth be told ... so there it is. Enough.

I identify you for the troll that you are.

[Gunny]

Its misapplication here is quite glaring.

I disagree. The underlying facts are betrayed by the emotion of the poster; which, you choose to address the latter rather than the former.

[fj1200]

Civil debate with you didn't last very long, did it ?

Save your prattle. You didn't even attempt the topic at hand.

[Baba Booey]

Charges of "racism" are 3,000% more likely if the opposition is polar political opposite.

[fj1200]

I disagree. The underlying facts are betrayed by the emotion of the poster; which, you choose to address the latter rather than the former.

Huh? Sounds like a semantic argument to me. Racism has a definition and was exemplified by the original comments that kicked this whole thing off. Race is not the primary determinant of the outcome. I'm pretty sure I can't find any more conservative examples than Walter E. Williams, Thomas Sowell, the Heritage Foundation, and David Horowitz (I think) that have refuted the premise. Why is it that nobody, except for granny, has addressed those links?

[Gunny]

Huh? Sounds like a semantic argument to me. Racism has a definition and was exemplified by the original comments that kicked this whole thing off. Race is not the primary determinant of the outcome. I'm pretty sure I can't find any more conservative examples than Walter E. Williams, Thomas Sowell, the Heritage Foundation, and David Horowitz (I think) that have refuted the premise. Why is it that nobody, except for granny, has addressed those links?

First, I didn't want to read through all that prattle. Second, I don't have a discussion with links, I debate opinions with people. And it doesn't matter what your links say. I can read and I can see.

If you note, I did not say "racism" was the problem. The CHARGE of racism is. I drew a distinct line between the two.

[fj1200]

First, I didn't want to read through all that prattle. Second, I don't have a discussion with links, I debate opinions with people. And it doesn't matter what your links say. I can read and I can see.

If you note, I did not say "racism" was the problem. The CHARGE of racism is. I drew a distinct line between the two.

I have no problem debating opinions with people but when it's shown that an opinion is wrong, and provably so, a link is snappy thing to have. The "charge of racism" isn't really a problem when racism is evident. I can't stop anyone from being a racist but I can sure point out when someone's premise is incorrect.

[Gunny]

I have no problem debating opinions with people but when it's shown that an opinion is wrong, and provably so, a link is snappy thing to have. The "charge of racism" isn't really a problem when racism is evident. I can't stop anyone from being a racist but I can sure point out when someone's premise is incorrect.

"Racism" isn't really the problem when nothing more than the charge of racism is evident.

[fj1200]

"Racism" isn't really the problem when nothing more than the charge of racism is evident.

Uh, yeah. :rolleyes:




Blacks, use any excuse to steal. This one is just an excuse to riot to cover their stealing , a perpetual love of stealing from others. They do this every good chance they get. Not a more
lazy, irresponsible group in this nation that the Dem's favorite bought out leeches IMHO. These are the government leeches that gave us Obama.
Can not expect an reasonable, logical and rational response from such ignorant, brainwashed moronic people!
The black culture thrives on violence, hate and blame whitey for all its ills caused by its cultural rampant irresponsibility and laziness...
Fact, reality leads to TRUTH and truth is
they need a couple more centuries to advance to any decent level IMHO.
I love dishing out cold , hard and brutal truth. Too bad more don't understand it is a very necessary thing or else we end up with the very type of totally messed up nation we have now.
And ruled by a scum like obama!!!


:dunno:

[Gunny]

Uh, yeah. :rolleyes:

Just as logical and true as your statement.

[fj1200]

Just as logical and true as your statement.

What?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

[
QUOTE=Baba Booey;701922]Charges of "racism" are 3,000% more likely if the opposition is polar political opposite.[/QUOTE]

Methinks your observation hits the mark in this thread and my adversary's agenda.. :beer:--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

what?
huh?

[fj1200]

Methinks your observation hits the mark in this thread and my adversary's agenda.

You have an adversary? What, pray tell, is his agenda?