Obama "it's Bushes fault"

[Redrose]

Obama is blaming Bush for the pullout of our troops in Iraq. He is on film in 2010 taking credit for pulling our troops out. Is he nuts or just the biggest liar in history?

[Perianne]

Obama is blaming Bush for the pullout of our troops in Iraq. He is on film in 2010 taking credit for pulling our troops out. Is he nuts or just the biggest liar in history?

He takes any opportunity to take credit when it looks good on him, but to place blame on others when it looks bad for him. I have known people like him and I disliked and distrusted all of them; they were all jerks. Whether or not history will record it correctly, he is the worst president I can imagine. He is bad personified.

[aboutime]

Redrose. Simply put. OBAMA IS A PROFESSIONAL LIAR. Everyone knows it Except Him.

[Perianne]

Redrose. Simply put. OBAMA IS A PROFESSIONAL LIAR. Everyone knows it Except Him.

Don't you think even he knows it? It has become such a part of him that he simply does not care.

[Redrose]

He feels so superior, he thinks he's above criticism. That's scary.

To the Obamabots, if he says it, it must be true.

Where were those gullible people when I was selling time shares. Lol

[gabosaurus]

Bush started the war. It was up to Obama to end it and he has yet to do so. There is no reason why any U.S. military should be in Iraq or Afghanistan right now. None at all.

[Jeff]

Bush started the war. It was up to Obama to end it and he has yet to do so. There is no reason why any U.S. military should be in Iraq or Afghanistan right now. None at all.


Yes Gabs we know your OPINION now read the opening post, it has nothing to do with why we are there but rather Obama is blaming Bush for the pull out of troops. You can bet your Butt if it went well Obama wouldn't be mentioning GW, he would be thumbing his chest and saying I use to be a Seal but now I end wars !!! Bottom line is this is Obama's baby he owns it and has to take responsibility for what happens now no matter who started what.

Has this man taken any credit for anything that he actually did while in the WH ? Well I guess no one wants to take credit for all the scandals, other than that he hasn't done anything except blame GW.

[Lemongrass Gogulope]

I guess the fact that right wing pundits gave George Bush credit for ending the war in Iraq because the withdrawal was based on a time table he created has gone down the memory hole? And Obama never should have taken credit for it.


President Barack Obama told disabled veterans in Atlanta on Monday that he was fulfilling a campaign promise by ending U.S. combat operations in Iraq “on schedule,” by Aug. 31.


But the timetable for withdrawing U.S. troops in Iraq was decided during the Bush administration with the signing of the Status of Forces Agreement (http://usiraq.procon.org/sourcefiles/SOFA-11-19-08.pdf) (SOFA) by U.S. and Iraq officials on Nov. 16, 2008. The Iraqi parliament signed SOFA on Nov. 27, 2008.


The agreement (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/40337), which had been in negotiations since 2007, set a timetable calling for most U.S. troops to leave Iraqi towns and cities by June 30, 2009, with about 50,000 troops left in place until the final withdrawal of all U.S. military forces by Dec. 31, 2011.


http://www.rightwingnews.com/iraq/obama-takes-credit-for-bushs-iraq-withdrawal-timeline/


The last U.S. troops left Iraq in December 2011, while Barack Obama was president, but the “status of forces agreement” that governed the departure of U.S. troops was actually negotiated between Iraqi and U.S. officials in late 2008, under the auspices of President George W. Bush. In fact, none other than the Huffington Post actually pointed out that as president, Obama was actually interested in keeping troops in Iraq past the agreed-upon 2011 deadline (http://traffic.pubexchange.com/a/859bb5ce-85cb-4cd4-9315-6cf6ef59a727/3200bd6f-1bfa-430f-bb01-9a2c8e0c1984/http%3A//www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/obama-iraq_n_1032507.html), explaining that “the president ultimately had no choice but to stick to candidate Obama's plan -- thanks, of all things, to an agreement signed by George W. Bush.” Just six months before the Bush deadline, Obama tried to foist 10,000 U.S. troops on the Iraqis past 2011 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/05/us-troops-iraq-withdrawal-_n_890551.html).

http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/05/barack-obama-did-not-end-the-war-in-iraq

So, here are people saying that Bush deserves the credit for ending the war in Iraq, but they are now blaming Obama for doing what Bush negotiated in 2007. Talk about duplicitous.

[jimnyc]

I guess the fact that right wing pundits gave George Bush credit for ending the war in Iraq because the withdrawal was based on a time table he created has gone down the memory hole? And Obama never should have taken credit for it.



http://www.rightwingnews.com/iraq/obama-takes-credit-for-bushs-iraq-withdrawal-timeline/



http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/05/barack-obama-did-not-end-the-war-in-iraq

So, here are people saying that Bush deserves the credit for ending the war in Iraq, but they are now blaming Obama for doing what Bush negotiated in 2007. Talk about duplicitous.

Well, it's not entirely that easy. Yes, plans were negotiated in the past. Wrongdoings were made from the past administration, I won't deny it nor defend it entirely. But the baton was passed and ownership as well. Also, times change, people change, circumstances change and leaders should adapt to those changes.

I'm not sure who wants to give Bush credit. Most conservatives I know think no plan should have been announced and that any speak of withdrawal was premature. With that said, the announcing of withdrawal a few years later, and those people displeased with it, that would remain the same. Obama also stated he would yank people out when he took office, and he didn't do that. And why? Because circumstances were different and he stayed the course to an extent. He stated earlier he would immediately start removing troops and have them all out within 16 months. That was wrong, and they stayed longer. I think it was the wrong time in 2011 too.

[Lemongrass Gogulope]

Well, it's not entirely that easy. Yes, plans were negotiated in the past. Wrongdoings were made from the past administration, I won't deny it nor defend it entirely. But the baton was passed and ownership as well. Also, times change, people change, circumstances change and leaders should adapt to those changes.

I'm not sure who wants to give Bush credit. Most conservatives I know think no plan should have been announced and that any speak of withdrawal was premature. With that said, the announcing of withdrawal a few years later, and those people displeased with it, that would remain the same. Obama also stated he would yank people out when he took office, and he didn't do that. And why? Because circumstances were different and he stayed the course to an extent. He stated earlier he would immediately start removing troops and have them all out within 16 months. That was wrong, and they stayed longer. I think it was the wrong time in 2011 too.
Here's another right wing source upset because Obama didn't give Bush credit for ending the war in Iraq:


Good for Obama for standing by the agreement he inherited. But it is telling about his weak political position that he offered no credit to the people who set this withdrawal in motion.

http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2011/10/21/obama-abides-by-bushs-timeline-for-leaving-iraq-although-you-wouldnt-know-that-to-hear-him-tell-it-video/


But that promised timeline went by the wayside, and the plan Mr. Obama executed was not his own but George W. Bush’s (http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/11/20081127-1.html). The timeline for troop withdrawal by the end of 2011 was established in the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) that the U.S. and Iraq agreed to in November 2008, before Mr. Obama took office.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2011/oct/22/obamas-iraq-failure/#ixzz3AHY6LCrC
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter (http://ec.tynt.com/b/rw?id=ctd-fI3Dar4z1uacwqm_6r&u=washtimes)

So first the right was angry that Obama didn't give credit to Bush for ending the war in Iraq and now they're angry because they think Bush is getting the blame? It's as if they've completely forgotten everything they said in 2011 and have wiped the slate clean. It's this amazing game of political hot potato.

[Gaffer]

Bo was on camera saying the war ended and he brought the troops home , but he didn't do it. Unfortunately he did name the one that did do it. It would be nice if we could identify the real president of this country.

One of his pundits tried to blame the American people for the with drawl, saying it was an unpopular war and BO was just following the will of the people. That's a first.

He screwed everything up and then finger points. And now innocent people are being slaughtered by mad men. Seen the pictures of the beheaded children? BO's policies have caused this and he continues to waffle even now while he vacations.

[jimnyc]

Here's another right wing source upset because Obama didn't give Bush credit for ending the war in Iraq:


http://blogs.ajc.com/kyle-wingfield/2011/10/21/obama-abides-by-bushs-timeline-for-leaving-iraq-although-you-wouldnt-know-that-to-hear-him-tell-it-video/


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2011/oct/22/obamas-iraq-failure/#ixzz3AHY6LCrC
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter (http://ec.tynt.com/b/rw?id=ctd-fI3Dar4z1uacwqm_6r&u=washtimes)

So first the right was angry that Obama didn't give credit to Bush for ending the war in Iraq and now they're angry because they think Bush is getting the blame? It's as if they've completely forgotten everything they said in 2011 and have wiped the slate clean. It's this amazing game of political hot potato. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Personally, don't care about those sources. They can whine all they like. No announcements about troops leaving should have been made, No negotiated timetable, IMO - and Obama certainly shouldn't have made plans before he was even frickin in office. Obama broke his own timetable, and now wants to claim he is using Bush's timetable. While things were certainly set in motion back in 2007 - Obama took the baton and made his own decisions as CIC from that point forward. That's why many liberals were upset, as he didn't follow his own promises to them.

[Lemongrass Gogulope]

Personally, don't care about those sources. They can whine all they like. No announcements about troops leaving should have been made, No negotiated timetable, IMO - and Obama certainly shouldn't have made plans before he was even frickin in office. Obama broke his own timetable, and now wants to claim he is using Bush's timetable. While things were certainly set in motion back in 2007 - Obama took the baton and made his own decisions as CIC from that point forward. That's why many liberals were upset, as he didn't follow his own promises to them.
I agree that he broke his own timetable. But the right was very upset that he didn't give Bush credit for using Bush's timetable and now they're upset that he did.

Also too, no one has mentioned the fact that al-Maliki said US troop presence would not be extended past 2011. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204685004576045700275218580

So, regardless of the actions or inactions of Bush or Obama, the US was told to leave. Once that happened, what else could have been done by the US?

[jimnyc]

I agree that he broke his own timetable. But the right was very upset that he didn't give Bush credit for using Bush's timetable and now they're upset that he did.

Also too, no one has mentioned the fact that al-Maliki said US troop presence would not be extended past 2011. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204685004576045700275218580

So, regardless of the actions or inactions of Bush or Obama, the US was told to leave. Once that happened, what else could have been done by the US?

I'm pretty confident that "the right" doesn't speak for everyone. Almost every person I know from the right wanted any plans not announced, and thought we should have remained much longer. As for Maliki, we still could have remained. Iraqi authorities made all kinds of claims and demands over the years - but we owned the operation, and should not leave until the job is completed. For example, Obama wanted troops out long before 2010 - but he didn't, because obviously the job was not completed.

Anyway, my entire point of responding in this thread, is that Obama owned the war after he was in office. Blaming GWB's decision to go to war is retarded at this point and only serves to muddy the conversation and play the blame game (not meaning you). Very rarely can things be discussed about Obama and his decisions without GWB being somehow blamed. Even the economy - Obama outright stated in 2009 that he now owned the economy. Then when it sucked again, both himself and many liberals still blamed Bush.

[Gaffer]

I agree that he broke his own timetable. But the right was very upset that he didn't give Bush credit for using Bush's timetable and now they're upset that he did.

Also too, no one has mentioned the fact that al-Maliki said US troop presence would not be extended past 2011. http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204685004576045700275218580

So, regardless of the actions or inactions of Bush or Obama, the US was told to leave. Once that happened, what else could have been done by the US?

That's what was reported to the media by the govt spokes man. What actually transpired is classified.

Given all the lies that have come out of this administration, not to mention the presidents mouth, do you actually buy this it's al maliki's fault?

[gabosaurus]

Yes Gabs we know your OPINION now read the opening post, it has nothing to do with why we are there but rather Obama is blaming Bush for the pull out of troops. You can bet your Butt if it went well Obama wouldn't be mentioning GW, he would be thumbing his chest and saying I use to be a Seal but now I end wars !!! Bottom line is this is Obama's baby he owns it and has to take responsibility for what happens now no matter who started what.

Has this man taken any credit for anything that he actually did while in the WH ? Well I guess no one wants to take credit for all the scandals, other than that he hasn't done anything except blame GW.

I know exactly what it meant. And you last statement works both ways. Obama blames Bush, who blamed Clinton.

[Jeff]

I know exactly what it meant. And you last statement works both ways. Obama blames Bush, who blamed Clinton.



I don't recall GW in his second term blaming everything on Clinton, But I am sure to a degree that happens, I just don't ever recall a president that took no responsibility for anything ,well except getting Bin Laden.:rolleyes:

[Drummond]

Yes Gabs we know your OPINION now read the opening post, it has nothing to do with why we are there but rather Obama is blaming Bush for the pull out of troops. You can bet your Butt if it went well Obama wouldn't be mentioning GW, he would be thumbing his chest and saying I use to be a Seal but now I end wars !!! Bottom line is this is Obama's baby he owns it and has to take responsibility for what happens now no matter who started what.

Has this man taken any credit for anything that he actually did while in the WH ? Well I guess no one wants to take credit for all the scandals, other than that he hasn't done anything except blame GW.

I think the truth here is that 'Gabs' isn't so much expressing an 'opinion', as just trying to push some propaganda. It's what Lefties do.

So much better than having respect for the truth, since truth doesn't serve Left-wing causes at all well ...

Anyway -- I thought the truth was well known ? Obama was strongly against the Iraq War, and was determined, if he made it to President, to get American troops out of Iraq just as soon as he could. This was an intention he was committed to following through on, some time before he reached High Office.

The driving force behind such an initiative wasn't Bush, but Obama.

http://millercenter.org/president/obama/essays/biography/print


In addition to inheriting an economy in severe recession when he took office, President Obama inherited two wars, one in Iraq and the other in Afghanistan. A long time opponent of President George W. Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003, Obama promised during the election campaign to withdraw American troops as soon as possible. In February 2009, he announced a plan to bring troop levels down from 160,000 to 50,000 by August 2010, including the removal of all combat forces. The remaining troops, he added, would be withdrawn by the end of 2011.

The withdrawal proceeded smoothly, in part because Obama was able to build on the gains achieved by Bush's "surge" of 20,000 additional troops in 2007, which had helped the government of Iraq to restore a measure of stability to the country.

By the way, I agree with Jim's earlier point, and I argued this myself, years ago: to announce, well in advance, what withdrawal plans you have ... is madness AT BEST. Personally, I see it as treasonous, because what Obama did was to give tactically advantageous information to an enemy of the country he was supposed to be serving !!!

I think it should've formed the basis for an impeachment. It's surely THAT serious.

[aboutime]

I don't recall GW in his second term blaming everything on Clinton, But I am sure to a degree that happens, I just don't ever recall a president that took no responsibility for anything ,well except getting Bin Laden.:rolleyes:


Jeff. Let's call gabby's bluff. Let's ask her to post a link (AKA PROOF) to back up her accusations about Bush blaming Clinton.

Being liberally tolerant, and fair..as gabby would insist. Show us the evidence gabby. Should be readily available for someone who claims to be so highly educated. Shouldn't it?

[Trigg]

having" finally gotten out of the rats nest, we certainly shouldn't go back. I was against going there when Bush did it, sooo regardless of who wants to take responsibility for getting us out, we need to STAY out

[aboutime]

having" finally gotten out of the rats nest, we certainly shouldn't go back. I was against going there when Bush did it, sooo regardless of who wants to take responsibility for getting us out, we need to STAY out


Trigg. Oh, how I wish I could agree with you on this but..IF we (The usa) does nothing. Would you be happy to see the results of the ISIS promise to COME TO NEW YORK, and start installing their CALIPHATE here?

Not trying to sound like "The Sky is Falling", but we can't deny the Reality confronting the World.

Our borders aren't closed. Our Illigitimate President is doing nothing, thousands of HUMAN BEINGS (doesn't matter what religion they are) are being killed every day by ISIS.
Our enemies are depending on OBAMA and our Wussy Democrat members of Congress to DO NOTHING because it might hurt them politically.

Yes. Iraq is a rats nest. But Rats have a way of finding places to hide. Why should WE help them come here?

And, to those who insist THEY CAN'T COME HERE. Really. Do any of us HONESTLY KNOW who is crossing our Southern Borders now?