White cop shooting - and the response

[jimnyc]

There was a shooting in St. Louis. It was a white police officer and a black teenager shot dead. Story - http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/violence-breaks-out-near-site-of-vigil-for-teen-killed/article_f9d627dc-e3c8-5bde-b2ab-7f0a3d36a083.html

Now mind you, the bullet is likely still warm. An investigation has barely started. And yet look at the response from the angry folks. What does stealing have to do with a shooting? Brawls and riots? Why doesn't this happen during other tragedies? These folks are the reason so many shake their heads at this stuff, complain about it - and then get labeled a racist for doing so. The people that do this stuff are animals.

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[Jeff]

I didn't watch the video's but wonder why it is always a white cop shooting a black child, I have watched this play out in many area's and the black youth is always pictured about 5 years younger than they really are ( that is what the media does wrong ) But why always a Black youth, maybe Black folks ought to keep there kids home at night, or maybe they ought to be home at night to see what there kids are doing, yes this sounds racist and I guess it is but I am responding to what is going on in the news.

No doubt there is police brutality in some cases but at 51 years old I have watched the black community riot and loot, wreck there own communities all over what they call police brutality, some things just don't add up. So these outlaw cops that go around shooting anyone they want but it just happens to only hit black kids, nope not at all but the media doesn't play it up unless it is a black youth because they know the riots and Looting will follow.

[Lemongrass Gogulope]

Yeah, it's not like they're a bunch of white people whose favorite team just won the Stanley Cup or something.

[Jeff]

Yeah, it's not like they're a bunch of white people whose favorite team just won the Stanley Cup or something.

Hmmm OK that makes it all better :rolleyes: And do you honestly believe that was all white ? Stupidity happens no matter the color but tell me where does it happen the most ?

[Lemongrass Gogulope]

I didn't watch the video's but wonder why it is always a white cop shooting a black child, I have watched this play out in many area's and the black youth is always pictured about 5 years younger than they really are ( that is what the media does wrong ) But why always a Black youth, maybe Black folks ought to keep there kids home at night, or maybe they ought to be home at night to see what there kids are doing, yes this sounds racist and I guess it is but I am responding to what is going on in the news.

I don't know any of the details of this case. I don't know what time it happened or the circumstances of why Michael Brown was stopped. But I do know that this guy was 18 years old, a legal adult, so parental supervision isn't the problem here. With that being said, are you sure you want to say that black people shouldn't be out at night? That sounds as if you are saying they are asking for it and I doubt that's what you meant.


No doubt there is police brutality in some cases but at 51 years old I have watched the black community riot and loot, wreck there own communities all over what they call police brutality, some things just don't add up. So these outlaw cops that go around shooting anyone they want but it just happens to only hit black kids, nope not at all but the media doesn't play it up unless it is a black youth because they know the riots and Looting will follow.

There are verifiable statistics showing minorities are more likely to be subjected to police brutality.
http://www.civilrights.org/publications/justice-on-trial/race.html

Also, it appears one black man is killed every day by police or vigilantes and so obviously the national media isn't reporting all of these cases in an effort to incite rioting and looting.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/1-black-man-killed-every-28-hours-police-or-vigilantes-america-perpetually-war-its

[Lemongrass Gogulope]

Hmmm OK that makes it all better :rolleyes: And do you honestly believe that was all white ? Stupidity happens no matter the color but tell me where does it happen the most ?
I never said it was right. But rioting over a sports team winning or losing certainly seems less of a valid reason to riot than frustration over what is perceived as police brutality.

Frankly, I don't understand the point of either. Where does it happen most? I'm not sure, but the sportsball people have a pretty long track record: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_riot

[jimnyc]

I didn't watch the video's but wonder why it is always a white cop shooting a black child, I have watched this play out in many area's and the black youth is always pictured about 5 years younger than they really are ( that is what the media does wrong ) But why always a Black youth, maybe Black folks ought to keep there kids home at night, or maybe they ought to be home at night to see what there kids are doing, yes this sounds racist and I guess it is but I am responding to what is going on in the news.

No doubt there is police brutality in some cases but at 51 years old I have watched the black community riot and loot, wreck there own communities all over what they call police brutality, some things just don't add up. So these outlaw cops that go around shooting anyone they want but it just happens to only hit black kids, nope not at all but the media doesn't play it up unless it is a black youth because they know the riots and Looting will follow.

There are in fact similar deaths over the years with the races the opposite, as well as homicides of regular citizens of the same manner - it's just not national news - and Sharpton and the rest of the race baiters don't give a shit.

[jimnyc]

Yeah, it's not like they're a bunch of white people whose favorite team just won the Stanley Cup or something.

Probably more whites than blacks as hockey fans, no doubt... But I've seen many black fans in the midst as well.

But are you trying to state that somehow when that happens, its race related? The black folks in this case are doing all of these things based on a racial incident. This happens ALL THE TIME. Unlike some cities where occasionally the fans riot like idiots. And when this stuff happens, again, national news and the crazies come out. White folks are killed by blacks all the time - the response is very rarely, if ever, the same.

[jimnyc]

I don't know any of the details of this case. I don't know what time it happened or the circumstances of why Michael Brown was stopped. But I do know that this guy was 18 years old, a legal adult, so parental supervision isn't the problem here. With that being said, are you sure you want to say that black people shouldn't be out at night? That sounds as if you are saying they are asking for it and I doubt that's what you meant.



There are verifiable statistics showing minorities are more likely to be subjected to police brutality.
http://www.civilrights.org/publications/justice-on-trial/race.html

Also, it appears one black man is killed every day by police or vigilantes and so obviously the national media isn't reporting all of these cases in an effort to incite rioting and looting.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/1-black-man-killed-every-28-hours-police-or-vigilantes-america-perpetually-war-its

None of us here, nor at the crime scene, really has a clue yet. The ONLY thing definite that we can prove is the rioting and after effects.

Here in NY there are non-stop black/white issues and it's forever on the news and have the usual dolts race baiting. Almost ALWAYS black on white. Weird that those interested in preserving life, and complaining about senseless killing and such, don't feel the same when it's a white person who was killed. Yet when that black person is killed, I always see tons of white support. Watch the Trayvon Martin marches for example, where there were endless white folks in support as well.

[Lemongrass Gogulope]

Probably more whites than blacks as hockey fans, no doubt... But I've seen many black fans in the midst as well.

But are you trying to state that somehow when that happens, its race related?

No. I'm saying white people aren't immune from doing shitty things, too.


The black folks in this case are doing all of these things based on a racial incident. This happens ALL THE TIME. Unlike some cities where occasionally the fans riot like idiots. And when this stuff happens, again, national news and the crazies come out. White folks are killed by blacks all the time - the response is very rarely, if ever, the same.
Well, I disagree that it happens all the time. The reason why it makes the national news is because it's unique. And I don't watch the news, but when I did, they never reported everything. I could argue that people turn up missing all of the time. Why do only pretty white girls who turn up missing make national news?

[jimnyc]

No. I'm saying white people aren't immune from doing shitty things, too.

Never meant any different, I'm speaking of the responses to the incidents.


Well, I disagree that it happens all the time. The reason why it makes the national news is because it's unique. And I don't watch the news, but when I did, they never reported everything. I could argue that people turn up missing all of the time. Why do only pretty white girls who turn up missing make national news?

I don't want to look or blamed for being racist, but I can be here all day showing the percentage of black on white crime - pretty much beats white folks in EVERY avenue, and of course black folks make up 12-15% of the population. And the percentages aren't even close.

Just stole this, too lazy to do my own research!! But happily will if someone doesn't believe me, because my list will be MUCH longer than this:


Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 32% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 17% of Hispanic males and 5.9% of white males.

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At midyear 2007 there were 4,618 black male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 black males in the United States, compared to 1,747 Hispanic male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 Hispanic males and 773 white male sentenced prisoners per 100,000 white males.

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In 2005, Homicide offending rates for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites

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Lifetime Likelihood of Going to State or Federal Prison
This Special Report presents lifetime chances of going to State or Federal prison by age, sex, race, and Hispanic origin. Using standard demographic lifetable techniques, and assuming that recent incarceration rates remain unchanged, an estimated 1 of every 20 persons (5%) can be expected to serve time in prison during their lifetime. The lifetime chances of a person going to prison are higher for men (9%) than for women (1%) and higher for blacks (16%) and Hispanics (9%) than for whites (2%). At current levels of incarceration newborn black males in this country have a greater than a 1 in 4 chance of going to prison during their lifetimes, while Hispanic males have a 1 in 6 chance, and white males have a 1 in 23 chance of serving time. 3/97 NCJ 160092

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The US Dept. of Justice Website also reports that in England and Wales, blacks are 2% of the population, but 11% of inmates:

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CNN DATA:

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THE FACTS: Blacks, who represent just 12.5% of the U.S. population, account for a disproportionate share of violent crime. Still, the fact remains that whites commit more such crimes -- 54% vs. 45% for blacks, (even though blacks are 12.5% of the population) according to FBI arrest statistics. The numbers also vary widely depending on the crime, with blacks responsible for more murders and robberies (55% and 61% of these crimes, respectively) and whites committing more rapes and aggravated assaults (56% and 60%).

The bottom line: While a white person is far more likely to be victimized by a black than the other way around (21% vs. 7%), the chances are three times as great that a white person will be victimized by another white than by a black.

The exception here is robbery. Whites are held up by blacks 49% of the time and by whites only 37%. Still, though violent crime is predominantly white on white or black on black, it is also true that black criminals commit more crimes against white victims (nearly 1.1 million in 1992) than they do against blacks (just under 1 million).
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As you note, African-Americans have three times the abortion rate of whites. You don't mention, however, that, as Janet Reno's Justice Department flatly states that "blacks are 8 times more likely than whites to commit homicide." Therefore, blacks commit more murders than whites in total as well as per capita.

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Everybody acknowledges that incarceration rates among young black males are much higher than among whites or Hispanics. An August 2003 Bureau of Justice Statistics analysis shows that 32 percent of black males born in 2001 can expect to spend time in prison over the course of their lifetime. That is up from 13.4 percent in 1974 and 29.4 percent in 1991. By contrast, 17.2 percent of Hispanics and 5.9 percent of whites born in 2001 are likely to end up in prison.

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in "The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and Justice in America," produced by the "right-leaning" New Century Foundation in 2005, using the same FBI and Justice surveys, startling facts emerge:


"Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against other blacks." Forty-five percent of the victims of violent crime by blacks are white folks, 43 percent are black, 10 percent are Hispanic.

Blacks are seven times as likely as people of other races to commit murder, eight times more likely to commit robbery and three times more likely to use a gun in a crime.

"Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit violent crime against a white person than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery." (If decent black folks have trouble hailing a cab, and they do, these numbers may help explain it.)

Black-on-white rape is 115 times more common than the reverse.

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'Though blacks, 24 percent of New York Citys population, committed 68.5 percent of all murders, rapes, robberies, and assaults in the city last year, according to victims and witnesses, they were only 55 percent of all stop-and-frisks.

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[Lemongrass Gogulope]

With regards to public health, there are a number of academic literature and research studies, which underlie the major issues surrounding those who commit crime in communities of low socio-economic status, and how big an effect that this has on incarceration rates. Many research-based perspectives and findings have been dedicated to examine the social issues relating to crime in areas of low socio-economic status. The correlation between both drug activity and violence, as a result of a high crime rate is highlighted by Lum (2010). Furthermore, literature by Weatherburn, Snowball, & Hunter (2006) examines how characteristics such as employment and unemployment, source of income, and education levels can be used as a measure of explaining the relationship between incarceration rates for those in high and low socio-economic areas.

Research conducted by Lum (2010), emphasised that areas with a strong correlation between drug-related activity and violence are more likely to have a high crime rate. In addition, experts believe that this particular correlation is the result of relative deprivation, and that violence is known to occur in socio-economically disadvantaged and disorganised neighbourhoods (Ousey & Lee, 2002). When discussing this correlation, there are a number of factors which ultimately relate to socio-economic status and demographic location. These factors could include population density, unemployment, and the percentage of people from different ethnic groups (Lum, 2010). When discussing crime patterns in relation to socio-economic disadvantage, evidence has suggested that areas with a relatively high juvenile crime rate had shown obvious correlations with the high rates of rental units, high residential mobility, and a lack of infrastructural development (Lum, 2010).

Based on those findings, it can be said that due to the frequent changes in population regarding the transitory (living in the short term), and the economic status of the individuals that live in low socio-economic areas, leads to a lack of community regulation, which therefore leads to an increased opportunity to commit crime in those areas. Although the link between violence and socio-economically disadvantaged areas is a major focal point in regards to the patterning of crime in low socio-economic areas, Lum (2010) believes that factors relating to low levels of interaction within the community and teenagers being allowed out on the streets unsupervised at night, can explain breakdowns in social control which lead to crime. Alarmingly, research examined from Table 1 shows that in Australia, the percentage of youth that are allowed out very often at night in crime prone neighbourhoods is approximately 51%, in comparison to those in non-crime prone neighbourhoods with approximately 33.8% (Australian Institute of Criminology, 1998).

https://pub209healthcultureandsociety.wikispaces.com/The+Relationship+between+Low+Socio-Economic+Status+%26+Incarceration+Rates

It seems that SES is the major factor in determining whether or not someone will commit a crime. And you didn't include any studies showing the number of violent incidents an inner city child will be exposed to during their childhood or any information regarding the disproportionate sentences minorities receive when convicted of a crime.

[jimnyc]

With regards to public health, there are a number of academic literature and research studies, which underlie the major issues surrounding those who commit crime in communities of low socio-economic status, and how big an effect that this has on incarceration rates. Many research-based perspectives and findings have been dedicated to examine the social issues relating to crime in areas of low socio-economic status. The correlation between both drug activity and violence, as a result of a high crime rate is highlighted by Lum (2010). Furthermore, literature by Weatherburn, Snowball, & Hunter (2006) examines how characteristics such as employment and unemployment, source of income, and education levels can be used as a measure of explaining the relationship between incarceration rates for those in high and low socio-economic areas.

Research conducted by Lum (2010), emphasised that areas with a strong correlation between drug-related activity and violence are more likely to have a high crime rate. In addition, experts believe that this particular correlation is the result of relative deprivation, and that violence is known to occur in socio-economically disadvantaged and disorganised neighbourhoods (Ousey & Lee, 2002). When discussing this correlation, there are a number of factors which ultimately relate to socio-economic status and demographic location. These factors could include population density, unemployment, and the percentage of people from different ethnic groups (Lum, 2010). When discussing crime patterns in relation to socio-economic disadvantage, evidence has suggested that areas with a relatively high juvenile crime rate had shown obvious correlations with the high rates of rental units, high residential mobility, and a lack of infrastructural development (Lum, 2010).

Based on those findings, it can be said that due to the frequent changes in population regarding the transitory (living in the short term), and the economic status of the individuals that live in low socio-economic areas, leads to a lack of community regulation, which therefore leads to an increased opportunity to commit crime in those areas. Although the link between violence and socio-economically disadvantaged areas is a major focal point in regards to the patterning of crime in low socio-economic areas, Lum (2010) believes that factors relating to low levels of interaction within the community and teenagers being allowed out on the streets unsupervised at night, can explain breakdowns in social control which lead to crime. Alarmingly, research examined from Table 1 shows that in Australia, the percentage of youth that are allowed out very often at night in crime prone neighbourhoods is approximately 51%, in comparison to those in non-crime prone neighbourhoods with approximately 33.8% (Australian Institute of Criminology, 1998).

https://pub209healthcultureandsociety.wikispaces.com/The+Relationship+between+Low+Socio-Economic+Status+%26+Incarceration+Rates

It seems that SES is the major factor in determining whether or not someone will commit a crime. And you didn't include any studies showing the number of violent incidents an inner city child will be exposed to during their childhood or any information regarding the disproportionate sentences minorities receive when convicted of a crime.

Again, I'm too lazy to research right now - but look at places in West Virginia, almost all white, almost all broke, almost no crime. The majority of times when you find poor areas where whites are in a very similar position as blacks, the crime is less.

[Lemongrass Gogulope]

Multiple witnesses are coming forward saying Michael Brown was initially shot in the back. He then turned with his hands in the air and was shot several more times in the chest. That should be the story and not what a handful of assholes do in retaliation which is causing too many to look at this situation and saying, "those people are doing it again."

Again, white people riot, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:White_American_riots_in_the_United_States
http://gawker.com/video-of-violent-rioting-surfers-shows-white-culture-o-954939719
http://www.care2.com/causes/another-white-riot-in-kentucky.html

This shouldn't be used as an indictment against an entire group of people particularly in light of the fact that there were many more peaceful protesters than there were people rioting and those peaceful protests are largely being ignored.

[Jeff]

I don't know any of the details of this case. I don't know what time it happened or the circumstances of why Michael Brown was stopped. But I do know that this guy was 18 years old, a legal adult, so parental supervision isn't the problem here. With that being said, are you sure you want to say that black people shouldn't be out at night? That sounds as if you are saying they are asking for it and I doubt that's what you meant.

What I said was parents should be home with KIDS , adults and not being able to go out at night never came up

There are verifiable statistics showing minorities are more likely to be subjected to police brutality.
http://www.civilrights.org/publications/justice-on-trial/race.html

I bet there is, there are also stats showing more Blacks live in the inner cities, more Blacks are in jail, but none of this means anything right :rolleyes:


Also, it appears one black man is killed every day by police or vigilantes and so obviously the national media isn't reporting all of these cases in an effort to incite rioting and looting.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/1-black-man-killed-every-28-hours-police-or-vigilantes-america-perpetually-war-its

OK then what is on TV never happened and what has been spoke about on these very pages never really happened as well, spin it how you want but facts are facts

[gabosaurus]

Again, I'm too lazy to research right now - but look at places in West Virginia, almost all white, almost all broke, almost no crime. The majority of times when you find poor areas where whites are in a very similar position as blacks, the crime is less.

It's not always crimes. Sometimes it is harassment and perceived guilt when none is present.
Yes, the violence is unacceptable. Members of the black community dislike the violence as well. A lot of it comes from outside the community, where some just feel a need to get violent.
I haven't read much about the actual case itself, but there was one image I saw that was startling in itself. At the time of this chart, the Florence area stood about 60-40 in black vs. white residents. The area lies right outside St. Louis, which means it gets a lot of traffic of all kinds.

http://i.imgur.com/Gavcf0e.jpg

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[Gaffer]

This all just shows who the real racists are.

[gabosaurus]

This all just shows who the real racists are.

A lot of small town police forces are like that. The backwoods Southern mentality is present in a lot of places.


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[Lemongrass Gogulope]

This all just shows who the real racists are.
Who?

[jimnyc]

Multiple witnesses are coming forward saying Michael Brown was initially shot in the back. He then turned with his hands in the air and was shot several more times in the chest. That should be the story and not what a handful of assholes do in retaliation which is causing too many to look at this situation and saying, "those people are doing it again."


In my eyes, the legal aspect of the shooting, and the response from the community, are 2 different things. If the above is true and proven in court, I hope the officer fries. The response I've seen from many wouldn't change my view of what happened.

[jimnyc]

It's not always crimes. Sometimes it is harassment and perceived guilt when none is present.
Yes, the violence is unacceptable. Members of the black community dislike the violence as well. A lot of it comes from outside the community, where some just feel a need to get violent.
I haven't read much about the actual case itself, but there was one image I saw that was startling in itself. At the time of this chart, the Florence area stood about 60-40 in black vs. white residents. The area lies right outside St. Louis, which means it gets a lot of traffic of all kinds.

More like 60/30 in Ferguson, but still a large difference in stops. But a LOT more goes into stops than just color, style of car, where they are driving...

There are known drug areas in many cities. And many of those areas happen to be in the black areas. It wouldn't be surprising to know that the cops are going to pull over more folks in the areas that have more crime and drugs. If you were to look at some of the crimes stats from the past 20 years (fbi stats), you will find a huge gap percentage in who commits many of the crimes. To somehow think it's all whitey or the police being racist, to me is ludicrous. That would mean that almost every city that has any diversity around the country have somehow worked together to make the stats somehow similar.

[jimnyc]

He makes a little sense :)

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[jimnyc]

Gilbert Arenas, who used to be one of my favorite basketball players. Since it's OK for blacks to say certain things, but whites are racist if they so much as even use the word as a repeat in a post, I can only assume what Arena has stated about Sharpton and such is A-ok He took to twitter:

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Arenas began by paying respect to the decedent and then castigating the black community:

I would like to start off by saying too the family of the victim GOD BLESS#RIPmichealbrown you will be missed: too EVERY African American out there..how dumb are we really???every time we hear some bad news, the first thing we do is #RIOT #ROB #STEAL #BURN sh-t in our OWN neighborhoods..this racism fight has never been #blackvswhite, it’s ALWAYS been #blackvsblack from what the stats.. About 10 riots from the black community over the years and the only thing damaged ,was the BLACK COMMUNITY by The BLACK COMMUNITY..only reason they issue riot police isssss just in case you actually got smart enough to walk 6 blocks ,YALL ain’t f---ing up white rich s--- smdh

But then he segued into an attack on Sharpton:

FAMILiES of the victims pleaseeeeee stop asking #alsharpton to speak or ur behalf,you have a better chance having #caesar the monkey from #planetoftheapes to get justice for you..the stats also show AL coon sharpton has not helped one situation he has protested at,he actually made it worst and because of him the jury goes the other way..(think about it) Jena six,trayvon and the list goes back way back..#AL ur like a #THOT in the club,lookn for attention what u said at trayvons rally #enoughisenough ur right were tired of u PRETENDING.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2014/08/14/Gilbert-Arenas-Rips-Sharpton-Black-Community

[Abbey Marie]

I never said it was right. But rioting over a sports team winning or losing certainly seems less of a valid reason to riot than frustration over what is perceived as police brutality.

Frankly, I don't understand the point of either. Where does it happen most? I'm not sure, but the sportsball people have a pretty long track record: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_riot

I have never heard of sports fans tweeting people to go riot in only black neighborhoods. As happened here with opposite instructions.

[Joyful HoneyBee]

A lot of small town police forces are like that. The backwoods Southern mentality is present in a lot of places.

Excuse me, but what? Are you speaking as an expert on the topic, or simply generalizing? Have you ever been to the south?

[Redrose]

I didn't watch the video's but wonder why it is always a white cop shooting a black child, I have watched this play out in many area's and the black youth is always pictured about 5 years younger than they really are ( that is what the media does wrong ) But why always a Black youth, maybe Black folks ought to keep there kids home at night, or maybe they ought to be home at night to see what there kids are doing, yes this sounds racist and I guess it is but I am responding to what is going on in the news.

No doubt there is police brutality in some cases but at 51 years old I have watched the black community riot and loot, wreck there own communities all over what they call police brutality, some things just don't add up. So these outlaw cops that go around shooting anyone they want but it just happens to only hit black kids, nope not at all but the media doesn't play it up unless it is a black youth because they know the riots and Looting will follow.

Cops, Black and White, arrest Whites everyday, and shoot White people everyday in this country. Why is it an issue when the victim is Black?

My family is White, a very large extended family, 80+ people. Two second cousins in NY were in prison for drug dealing. They were arrested without incident.

An ex son-in-law, a White man, is in prison in Florida for Aggravated Assault with a deadly weapon ( a machete). Three counts PBL's (punishable by life) because he is a convicted felon out less than a year.
He was arrested without incident, even facing life in prison.

My Black son-in-law in Florida has been arrested a few times for minor stuff, mostly traffic issues, each arrest he resisted and got the snot beat out of him...and more charges. He blamed the police of course. I asked him why he fought the arrest. First he told me it's none of my business, I told him it affects my daughter so it is my business. He then said "nobody tells me what to do". That attitude gets you a body bag sometimes.

[aboutime]

Cops, Black and White, arrest Whites everyday, and shoot White people everyday in this country. Why is it an issue when the victim is Black?

My family is White, a very large extended family, 80+ people. Two second cousins in NY were in prison for drug dealing. They were arrested without incident.

An ex son-in-law, a White man, is in prison in Florida for Aggravated Assault with a deadly weapon ( a machete). Three counts PBL's (punishable by life) because he is a convicted felon out less than a year.
He was arrested without incident, even facing life in prison.

My Black son-in-law in Florida has been arrested a few times for minor stuff, mostly traffic issues, each arrest he resisted and got the snot beat out of him...and more charges. He blamed the police of course. I asked him why he fought the arrest. First he told me it's none of my business, I told him it affects my daughter so it is my business. He then said "nobody tells me what to do". That attitude gets you a body bag sometimes.



Redrose. Also with your question. Notice how recent reports in the MSM have announced that Black Americans..AKA African-Americans are NO LONGER considered Minorities in this nation.

So. It poses the question. When will White Americans take the gauntlet of PERPETUAL DISCRIMINATION from Black Americans. Since the so-called SHOE is now, almost squarely on the OTHER FOOT..."So to Speak"?

If Black Americans lose their exalted status as the PERPETUAL victims of discrimination, hatred, and ignorance. What will the Jesse's, Al's, and Obama's do to maintain their EXTORTION RING financial profits?

Who will become the White Version of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton who instantly run to the aid of the DOWNTRODDEN Whites?

[Trigg]

It's not always crimes. Sometimes it is harassment and perceived guilt when none is present.
Yes, the violence is unacceptable. Members of the black community dislike the violence as well. A lot of it comes from outside the community, where some just feel a need to get violent.
I haven't read much about the actual case itself, but there was one image I saw that was startling in itself. At the time of this chart, the Florence area stood about 60-40 in black vs. white residents. The area lies right outside St. Louis, which means it gets a lot of traffic of all kinds.

http://i.imgur.com/Gavcf0e.jpg




http://www.city-data.com/city/Ferguson-Missouri.html

This shows Ferguson to be around 65% black and only 30% white, so it makes sense that they would be the ones stopped most often. From the FBI crime statistics we already know that blacks commit far more homicides than their population should (around 50%). Therefor the arrests and stops sound about right.

Sorry to say, but if you have a certain group of people who commit the majority of crimes, they are going to be the ones arrested and watched.

[Redrose]

Redrose. Also with your question. Notice how recent reports in the MSM have announced that Black Americans..AKA African-Americans are NO LONGER considered Minorities in this nation.

So. It poses the question. When will White Americans take the gauntlet of PERPETUAL DISCRIMINATION from Black Americans. Since the so-called SHOE is now, almost squarely on the OTHER FOOT..."So to Speak"?

If Black Americans lose their exalted status as the PERPETUAL victims of discrimination, hatred, and ignorance. What will the Jesse's, Al's, and Obama's do to maintain their EXTORTION RING financial profits?

Who will become the White Version of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton who instantly run to the aid of the DOWNTRODDEN Whites?


My Black friends were annoyed Sharpton showed up in Ferguson. He whips the crowd into a frenzy. He fuels the flames of racism to keep himself relevant.

[aboutime]

http://www.city-data.com/city/Ferguson-Missouri.html

This shows Ferguson to be around 65% black and only 30% white, so it makes sense that they would be the ones stopped most often. From the FBI crime statistics we already know that blacks commit far more homicides than their population should (around 50%). Therefor the arrests and stops sound about right.

Sorry to say, but if you have a certain group of people who commit the majority of crimes, they are going to be the ones arrested and watched.


Trigg. Along those same lines. We need to remember how certain portions of the Black community always point to the Extremely HIGH numbers of Black Americans in American prisons.

Despite the actual numbers, which happen to be much higher percentages for Black Americans. Logic SHOULD tell us. If Black Americans are committing crimes, and being incarcerated for those crimes. Who is responsible for those numbers? The victims, or the Perpetrators of those crimes?

We Americans who are not Black always get blamed for Discrimination, and those High numbers in prison. That's how the Perpetual Victims of Discrimination manage to remain Victims...BY THEIR OWN HAND.

[jimnyc]

So now, the shop that Brown and his friend robbed - the peaceful people that weren't allowed to assemble decided to go trash that place now. Unbelievable. Shop owners at times like this should be able to pull out their automatic rifles and protect their property/possessions. Amazing that the police back off, let it perhaps go to other stores, and them make no arrests.

THAT'S what happens when the police don't keep some order. Now the thugs out there apparently are free to steal without consequences, because many have become brainwashed. Sure, maybe don't be strong handed when a few thousand people are simply marching - but when they are doing things like this - they should go in with riot gear on, take every single person down and take them straight to jail.

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FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — Anger spurred by the death of a black teenager at the hands of white police officer boiled over again when protesters stormed into a Missouri convenience store — the same store that Michael Brown was accused of robbing.

Police and about 200 protesters clashed in Ferguson, Missouri late Friday after another tense day in the St. Louis suburb, a day that included authorities identifying the officer who fatally shot Brown on Aug. 9. At the same news conference in which officer Darren Wilson was named, Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson released documents alleging that Brown stole a $48.99 box of cigars from the convenience store, then strong-armed a man on his way out.

Just before midnight, some in what had been a large and rowdy but mostly well-behaved crowd broke into that same small store and began looting it, said Missouri State Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson.

Some in the crowd began throwing rocks and other objects at police, Johnson said. One officer was hurt but details on the injury were not immediately available.

Johnson said police backed off to try and ease the tension. He believes looting may have spread to a couple of nearby stores. No arrests were made.

"We had to evaluate the security of the officers there and also the rioters," Johnson said. "We just felt it was better to move back."

http://news.yahoo.com/police-protesters-clash-again-ferguson-085511380.html

[Gaffer]

The cops are militarized and all big and bad looking but what do we hear at the end of the night? No arrests were made. Excuse me?

[SassyLady]

It seems that SES is the major factor in determining whether or not someone will commit a crime. And you didn't include any studies showing the number of violent incidents an inner city child will be exposed to during their childhood or any information regarding the disproportionate sentences minorities receive when convicted of a crime.

Lemon .... how did the inner cities develop? How did the SES become so predominately black?

[Abbey Marie]

In certain neighborhoods, no one helps the police when they try to solve crimes; the police are vilified for enforcing the law in the first place, and then they are tried and found guilty in the media for anything they do that seems wrong, long before any evidence is in.

Perhaps it is time to withdraw police protection from certain neighborhoods altogether. Let the lawlessness that people seem so fond of have its way.