Innocent man shot by Israeli snipers.

[jafar00]

American tax dollars at work.

An innocent man just searching for his family is deliberately targeted and killed by Israeli snipers and the medics nearby were prevented from helping him.

Was he HAMAS? Do you see any rocket launchers in the rubble? Any HAMAS fighters nearby?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ombfpDIKD2s

[NightTrain]

That's what happens to terrorists.

As an American Taxpayer, I'm willing to lob a tactical nuke into Gaza and pave it. Problem solved.

[Daniyel]

How do you know this is IDF sniper?
Why he survived a full shelling and left above all the wreckage instead of being buried below?
Why is he not wounded at all?
How come they were 3 feet from this guy, including the medics, but they didn't noticed he was there? ("no injuries here" the women)
Why is both the photographer and the wounded guy wear the same color of shirt?
And how come you know he wasn't a terrorist or at least carrying a weapon that he probably would've lose during the shelling?

Smells like fake, maybe or maybe not.. by the way why are they speaking English with (British-Arabic?) accent?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

American tax dollars at work.

An innocent man just searching for his family is deliberately targeted and killed by Israeli snipers and the medics nearby were prevented from helping him.

Was he HAMAS? Do you see any rocket launchers in the rubble? Any HAMAS fighters nearby?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ombfpDIKD2s
Let's just go with this is true as you presented it. So what is the big deal?
Why is this one man so damn important to you Jafar when the innocent Israeli women and children mean absolutely nothing to you!????
Do you even know the definition of the word hypocrisy?
One man wrongly killed yet your damn Hamas rockets civilians attempting to kill any , AS MANY OF ANY AGE OR GENDER AND YOU MAKE NO POSTS CONDEMNING THAT DELIBERATE SLAUGHTER!!!-TYR

[gabosaurus]

Hamas terrorists and Jewish terrorists. What's the difference?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f44_1405953311

[red state]

Let's just go with this is true as you presented it. So what is the big deal?
Why is this one man so damn important to you Jafar when the innocent Israeli women and children mean absolutely nothing to you!????
Do you even know the definition of the word hypocrisy?
One man wrongly killed yet your damn Hamas rockets civilians attempting to kill any , AS MANY OF ANY AGE OR GENDER AND YOU MAKE NO POSTS CONDEMNING THAT DELIBERATE SLAUGHTER!!!-TYR

I'll answer for jafart.....he's as much a scum-bucket as the scum bullying Israel. Most of them are bullies and as BULLIES they know only one thing and Israel is giving them what they've dished out and more (always have.....always will). Just put the scum on ignore and be done with them. The same arguments and lies of a couple years ago are still at play with good ole reliable jafart and the scum like him (above).

[jafar00]

How do you know this is IDF sniper?

Who else would be shooting at them during the Israeli invasion?


Why he survived a full shelling and left above all the wreckage instead of being buried below?
Why is he not wounded at all?

He was shot after. He was there looking for his family who may have been buried under the rubble. He was just an innocent guy.


How come they were 3 feet from this guy, including the medics, but they didn't noticed he was there? ("no injuries here" the women)
Why is both the photographer and the wounded guy wear the same color of shirt?
And how come you know he wasn't a terrorist or at least carrying a weapon that he probably would've lose during the shelling?

Smells like fake, maybe or maybe not.. by the way why are they speaking English with (British-Arabic?) accent?


A graphic video has emerged apparently showing a wounded Palestinian civilian being shot by what appears to be sniper fire in the Shuja’iya neighborhood in Gaza, amid reports that the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) has been using indiscriminate weaponry in populous areas.
The video, which couldn’t be independently verified, was released by the International Solidarity Movement (ISM), along with pictures of destroyed ambulances.


http://www.newsweek.com/graphic-video-allegedly-shows-wounded-civilian-killed-israeli-sniper-260122

BTW, are HAMAS hiding in ambulances too now?

[Daniyel]

http://www.newsweek.com/graphic-video-allegedly-shows-wounded-civilian-killed-israeli-sniper-260122

BTW, are HAMAS hiding in ambulances too now?
Whatever it is I find it very suspicious but we can leave the debate since you mentioned the ambulances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oesBeCFAlg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oesBeCFAlg)

[NightTrain]

Whatever it is I find it very suspicious but we can leave the debate since you mentioned the ambulances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oesBeCFAlg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oesBeCFAlg)

lol, nice, Daniyel!

Certainly appears to be palestinians in those ambulances with AK-47s.

[Jeff]

Sad truth about war, innocents die, just ask all the civilians in Israel jafar ( or how about the World Trade Center ) that did nothing but get up and died.


jafar do the innocents that died by the hands of the scum you are protecting not mean anything to you ? Did ya ever stop and think maybe if Hamas hadn't kept firing rockets and killing innocents then maybe this man wouldn't of had to of been looking for his family in the first place?

War is Hell jafar , and remember when you mess with the Bull you get the horn !!! And unfortunatley innocents are now going to feel what Hamas has been asking for.

[jimnyc]

American tax dollars at work.

An innocent man just searching for his family is deliberately targeted and killed by Israeli snipers and the medics nearby were prevented from helping him.

Was he HAMAS? Do you see any rocket launchers in the rubble? Any HAMAS fighters nearby?

What a joke. All those people standing around. I understand that if they don't want to run out towards him - but they would all just stand there if a sniper was around? Pallie Wallies have been busted SO many times making shit up for propaganda... This one is too obvious.

[jimnyc]

Here, watch some more "Pallywood" made up crap, and there's days worth on Youtube!

<iframe width="640" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/awYMPzSrh5o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[aboutime]

Just an imaginary Disney character..bastardized into something filled with hate...

http://icansayit.com/images/jafar.jpg PROPAGANDIST NUMBER ONE.

[Drummond]

Let's just go with this is true as you presented it. So what is the big deal?
Why is this one man so damn important to you Jafar when the innocent Israeli women and children mean absolutely nothing to you!????
Do you even know the definition of the word hypocrisy?
One man wrongly killed yet your damn Hamas rockets civilians attempting to kill any , AS MANY OF ANY AGE OR GENDER AND YOU MAKE NO POSTS CONDEMNING THAT DELIBERATE SLAUGHTER!!!-TYR:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Exactly, Tyr, very well said !

JAFAR. You don't credibly pass yourself off as a 'man of peace, someone loyal to a 'religion of peace' ... then demonise one side AND ONE SIDE ONLY, AND REFRAIN FROM CRITICISING TERRORIST SCUM !!

Besides which, what in your video is independently verified ? What couldn't have been staged, the purpose being to help win a propaganda war ?

A PROPAGANDA WAR YOU ARE DOING YOUR BIT TO SUPPORT, JAFAR.

YOU EVEN CONFIRM THAT YOURSELF, JAFAR, WITH ... I QUOTE ....


The video, which couldn’t be independently verified

[aboutime]

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Exactly, Tyr, very well said !

JAFAR. You don't credibly pass yourself off as a 'man of peace, someone loyal to a 'religion of peace' ... then demonise one side AND ONE SIDE ONLY, AND REFRAIN FROM CRITICISING TERRORIST SCUM !!

Besides which, what in your video is independently verified ? What couldn't have been staged, the purpose being to help win a propaganda war ?




Tyr. Agreed. Notice how jafar put's so much effort into defending a SINGLE MAN, while IGNORING all of the Innocent Palestinian children Hamas uses as Human Shields behind the HAMAS COWARDS like jafar.

[Drummond]

Tyr. Agreed. Notice how jafar put's so much effort into defending a SINGLE MAN, while IGNORING all of the Innocent Palestinian children Hamas uses as Human Shields behind the HAMAS COWARDS like jafar.
:clap::clap::clap::clap:

No comment necessary in reply. Perfectly put.

[Drummond]

Jafar.

I want to see you post a condemnatory message against HAMAS'S SAVAGERY.

Here's a little something you can base that message on, Jafar ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel


Since 2001, Palestinian militants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_militant) have launched thousands of rocket (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket) and mortar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortar_(weapon)) attacks on Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel)from the Gaza Strip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip) as part of the continuing Arab–Israeli conflict (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict). As of July 2014 the attacks have killed 28 people,mostly civilians, and injured thousands, but their main effect is their creation of widespread psychological trauma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_trauma) and disruption of daily life among the Israeli populace. Medical studies in Sderot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sderot), the Israeli city closest to the Gaza Strip, have documented a post-traumatic stress disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-traumatic_stress_disorder) incidence among young children of almost 50%, as well as high rates of depression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder) and miscarriage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage).A public opinion poll conducted (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel#Public_opinio n_polls) in March 2013 found that most Palestinians do not support firing rockets at Israel from the Gaza Strip.The weapons, often generically referred to as Qassams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket), were initially crude and short-range, mainly affecting Sderot and other communities bordering the Gaza Strip. However, in 2006 more sophisticated rockets began to be deployed, reaching the larger coastal city of Ashkelon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkelon), and by early 2009 major cities Ashdod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashdod) and Beersheba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beersheba) had been hit by Katyusha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyusha_rocket_launcher), WS-1B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weishi_Rockets#WS-1B) and Grad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad) rockets. In 2012,Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem) and Israel's commercial center Tel Aviv (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv) were targeted with locally made "M-75" and Iranian Fajr-5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-5) rockets, respectively, and in July 2014, the northern city of Haifa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haifa) was targeted for the first time. A few projectiles have contained white phosphorus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus).

Attacks have been carried out by all Palestinian armed groups, and, prior to the 2008–2009 Gaza War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War), were consistently supported by most Palestinians, although the stated goals have been mixed. The attacks, widely condemned for targeting civilians, have been described as terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism) by United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations), European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union) and Israeli officials, and are defined as war crimes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime) by human rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights) groups Amnesty International (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesty_International) and Human Rights Watch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Watch). Indiscriminate attacks on civilians and civilian structures that do not discriminate between civilians and military targets are illegal under international law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_conventions#Protocols).

Israeli defenses constructed specifically to deal with the weapons include fortifications for schools and bus stops as well as an alarm system named Red Color (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Color). Iron Dome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome), a system to intercept short-range rockets, was developed by Israel and first deployed in the spring of 2011 to protect Beersheba and Ashkelon, but officials and experts warned that it would not be completely effective. Shortly thereafter, it intercepted a Palestinian Grad rocket for the first time.

Israel has responded to the attacks with several military operations in the Gaza Strip, among them Operation Rainbow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rainbow) (May 2004),Operation Days of Penitence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Days_of_Penitence) (2004), the 2006 Israel-Gaza conflict (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Israel-Gaza_conflict), Operation Autumn Clouds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Autumn_Clouds) (2006), Operation Hot Winter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Hot_Winter) (2008),Operation Cast Lead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Lead) (2009), Operation Pillar of Defense (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pillar_of_Defense) (2012), and Operation Protective Edge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Protective_Edge) (2014).
So, Jafar. What do you have to say, in reply to this account of anti-Israeli savagery ?

ANYTHING AT ALL ?

... oh, and unlike your anti-Semitic hate site, I don't think you can claim WIKIPEDIA to be a pro-Israeli hate site yourself.

[Daniyel]

Jafar, here you can find exactly what I said, a little while ago about this video.
Take a look and keep an open mind, the damage is already done. (http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/07/28/pallywood-films-an-alleged-israeli-atrocity-that-got-picked-up-by-many-in-the-mainstream-media/)

[aboutime]

Jafar, here you can find exactly what I said, a little while ago about this video.
Take a look and keep an open mind, the damage is already done. (http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/07/28/pallywood-films-an-alleged-israeli-atrocity-that-got-picked-up-by-many-in-the-mainstream-media/)



And most all of us here on DP know. The trained, baffled, partisan American MSM takes great pride in avoiding all possible means of showing such a video with HONEST remarks. Remarks that might make them sound racist against the OBAMA administration that is pretending, with John Kerry...Vietnam WAR HERO, and TRIPLE PURPLE HEART PHONY, that they are serious about a CEASE FIRE for Israel...while ignoring HAMAS.

[Drummond]

Jafar.

I want to see you post a condemnatory message against HAMAS'S SAVAGERY.

Here's a little something you can base that message on, Jafar ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel


So, Jafar. What do you have to say, in reply to this account of anti-Israeli savagery ?

ANYTHING AT ALL ?

... oh, and unlike your anti-Semitic hate site, I don't think you can claim WIKIPEDIA to be a pro-Israeli hate site yourself.



It's been several days since I posted this challenge to Jafar.

Needless to say, there's no reply. My invitation for Jafar to prove his self-asserted love of peace, therefore to express it through just ONE post condemning Hamas's savagery, has gone unheeded.

You are NOT anti-terrorist, Jafar, and you deceived us by promoting an image of you which said otherwise. You've worked hard to sanitise Islam, telling us that terrorism could never be supported by Islam. You, as a Muslim, assured us that the two didn't mix, that any terrorist also calling himself a Muslim could NOT be one, if also a terrorist !!

AND HERE YOU NOW ARE, THE SUPPOSED 'PEACEFUL' MUSLIM, NEVER OFFERING US CRITICAL COMMENTS AGAINST HAMAS, WHEN THEY'RE HEAVILY COMMITTED TO METING OUT BLOODSHED !! DEMONISING ISRAEL ... POST AFTER POST, YOU'VE DEVOTED TO THAT EFFORT. BUT NOT ONE WORD AGAINST HAMAS TERRORISTS .. NOT ONE.

YOU ARE BENEATH CONTEMPT.

[aboutime]

It's been several days since I posted this challenge to Jafar.

Needless to say, there's no reply. My invitation for Jafar to prove his self-asserted love of peace, therefore to express it through just ONE post condemning Hamas's savagery, has gone unheeded.

You are NOT anti-terrorist, Jafar, and you deceived us by promoting an image of you which said otherwise. You've worked hard to sanitise Islam, telling us that terrorism could never be supported by Islam. You, as a Muslim, assured us that the two didn't mix, that any terrorist also calling himself a Muslim could NOT be one, if also a terrorist !!

AND HERE YOU NOW ARE, THE SUPPOSED 'PEACEFUL' MUSLIM, NEVER OFFERING US CRITICAL COMMENTS AGAINST HAMAS, WHEN THEY'RE HEAVILY COMMITTED TO METING OUT BLOODSHED !! DEMONISING ISRAEL ... POST AFTER POST, YOU'VE DEVOTED TO THAT EFFORT. BUT NOT ONE WORD AGAINST HAMAS TERRORISTS .. NOT ONE.

YOU ARE BENEATH CONTEMPT.


Sir Drummond. A likely reason for jafar's silence could be...Like Hamas...under the phony Cease Fire. jafar is RE-ARMING himself with newly created, twisted words, and lies from the Palestinian/Hamas Propaganda book. What we in the Western World normally describe as TP, http://icansayit.com/images/toilpaper.gif

used to attempt covering up, and wiping away known HAMAS lies...

[tailfins]

American tax dollars at work.

An innocent man just searching for his family is deliberately targeted and killed by Israeli snipers and the medics nearby were prevented from helping him.

Was he HAMAS? Do you see any rocket launchers in the rubble? Any HAMAS fighters nearby?


I'm not going resort to the vitriol of the other DP members. All I will say is that I stand with Israel and that's that.

http://tcjewfolk.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/01/israeli-american-flag-300x224.jpg

[jafar00]

Jafar.

I want to see you post a condemnatory message against HAMAS'S SAVAGERY.

Here's a little something you can base that message on, Jafar ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel


So, Jafar. What do you have to say, in reply to this account of anti-Israeli savagery ?

ANYTHING AT ALL ?

... oh, and unlike your anti-Semitic hate site, I don't think you can claim WIKIPEDIA to be a pro-Israeli hate site yourself.



You speak of anti Israeli savagery, yet neglect to mention Israeli savagery. They have had a refugee camp under siege for the best part of a decade and have bombed them repeatedly. I'm surprised there hasn't been more than a few rockets in retaliation.

[jimnyc]

You speak of anti Israeli savagery, yet neglect to mention Israeli savagery. They have had a refugee camp under siege for the best part of a decade and have bombed them repeatedly. I'm surprised there hasn't been more than a few rockets in retaliation.

You couldn't condemn a terrorist organization during "peace" and we sure don't expect you to do so now that they are fighting the Jews.

Suppose Al Qaeda came to Palestine now, Jafar - would you support them? Sure, they would only be avenging deaths, and defending Palestine - but they ARE a known terrorist organization responsible for countless deaths. So I assume you would support Al Qaeda then too. And what if ISIS came to join the fight? Or Taliban? Are ALL terrorists suddenly ok if they are fighting the Jews, or is it just Hamas?

[Jeff]

You couldn't condemn a terrorist organization during "peace" and we sure don't expect you to do so now that they are fighting the Jews.

Suppose Al Qaeda came to Palestine now, Jafar - would you support them? Sure, they would only be avenging deaths, and defending Palestine - but they ARE a known terrorist organization responsible for countless deaths. So I assume you would support Al Qaeda then too. And what if ISIS came to join the fight? Or Taliban? Are ALL terrorists suddenly ok if they are fighting the Jews, or is it just Hamas?

Jim this reminds me of when I was living in Perth Amboy and the riots started ( all over a white cop arresting 2 Puerto Rican Guys ) well it is a well known fact that the Puerto Ricans and the Mexicans don't like each other in fact they are enemies but while fighting against the white folks ( a common enemy ) they joined together , after the riots they where then again enemies :laugh:

The answer is yes no matter who came in to fight the Jews jafar would side with them, I don't believe in a everyday situation he would but when it has to do with fighting Israel all rational thought is gone.

[DragonStryk72]

Hamas terrorists and Jewish terrorists. What's the difference?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f44_1405953311

Well, actually, there sizable difference. For one, the Israeli aren't terrorists. They give warning before they bomb, including such things as leaflets, phone calls, a phone app, and even a warning shot before they start firing.

As to why the civilian casualties? Well, that would be because Hamas store weapons and troops in civilian populations purposely, precise to make sure that Israel has to kill innocents to stop them. SO, basically, the civilian casualties are mostly on Hamas at this point.

[DragonStryk72]

You speak of anti Israeli savagery, yet neglect to mention Israeli savagery. They have had a refugee camp under siege for the best part of a decade and have bombed them repeatedly. I'm surprised there hasn't been more than a few rockets in retaliation.

Let's address that for a moment. They took the strip because Gaza continued to fire rockets into Israel, killing their people for decades. Once taken, they allowed for Freedom of Religion, letting the people of Gaza continue to worship as they see fit. Those bastards! What sort of assholes would give religious freedom to people?!

Now, Hamas is firing from Gaza, again, which is why the bombings exist, bombings that come with advance warnings in multiple forms. This is why they keep getting called counterstrikes. It's a very simple term, only being able to be done after someone has shot at you. And Hamas, just to up the ante, and get more ill will toward Israel, have been storing their weapons and troops in civilian locations, purposely forcing Israel to have to kill innocents if they want to defend themselves.

[jafar00]

You couldn't condemn a terrorist organization during "peace" and we sure don't expect you to do so now that they are fighting the Jews.

Suppose Al Qaeda came to Palestine now, Jafar - would you support them? Sure, they would only be avenging deaths, and defending Palestine - but they ARE a known terrorist organization responsible for countless deaths. So I assume you would support Al Qaeda then too. And what if ISIS came to join the fight? Or Taliban? Are ALL terrorists suddenly ok if they are fighting the Jews, or is it just Hamas?

I condemned Hamas on previous occasions for things like when they dragged the corpses of those spies through the streets. Corpse desecration is haram.

AQ, ISIS etc... would not come to the aid of Palestine. They are not working for the good of Muslims or of Islam. They are only interested in their own grasp on power for their own political purposes otherwise they would already be there.


Let's address that for a moment. They took the strip because Gaza continued to fire rockets into Israel, killing their people for decades. Once taken, they allowed for Freedom of Religion, letting the people of Gaza continue to worship as they see fit. Those bastards! What sort of assholes would give religious freedom to people?!

Now, Hamas is firing from Gaza, again, which is why the bombings exist, bombings that come with advance warnings in multiple forms. This is why they keep getting called counterstrikes. It's a very simple term, only being able to be done after someone has shot at you. And Hamas, just to up the ante, and get more ill will toward Israel, have been storing their weapons and troops in civilian locations, purposely forcing Israel to have to kill innocents if they want to defend themselves.

Lets just look back as far as 2012. Israel completely ignored that particular peace deal by continued assassinations, bombings, incursions, kidnappings, the brutal siege and subjugation of Palestinians etc... Hamas responded with a few rockets but I think they showed great restraint in not letting loose with all they had sooner.

It's particularly disingenuous of you to put the blame squarely in Hamas' lap.

[jimnyc]

I condemned Hamas on previous occasions for things like when they dragged the corpses of those spies through the streets. Corpse desecration is haram.

AQ, ISIS etc... would not come to the aid of Palestine. They are not working for the good of Muslims or of Islam. They are only interested in their own grasp on power for their own political purposes otherwise they would already be there.

Still didn't answer my question, but we both know you would support ANY terrorist organization that went there to help Palestine.

[hjmick]

But Hamas is working for the good of Muslims and Islam because killing Jews is good, right "jafar?"

[jimnyc]

But Hamas is working for the good of Muslims and Islam because killing Jews is good, right "jafar?"

"jew blood is the best blood" - just ask the very guys he supports.

[aboutime]

I condemned Hamas on previous occasions for things like when they dragged the corpses of those spies through the streets. Corpse desecration is haram.

AQ, ISIS etc... would not come to the aid of Palestine. They are not working for the good of Muslims or of Islam. They are only interested in their own grasp on power for their own political purposes otherwise they would already be there.



Lets just look back as far as 2012. Israel completely ignored that particular peace deal by continued assassinations, bombings, incursions, kidnappings, the brutal siege and subjugation of Palestinians etc... Hamas responded with a few rockets but I think they showed great restraint in not letting loose with all they had sooner.

It's particularly disingenuous of you to put the blame squarely in Hamas' lap.


Right you are jafar. Much of that blame should also be given to people who Support Hamas.

Wait a second. That would be people like you jafar. Now it's no longer disingenuous, and you share the blame.

[DragonStryk72]

I condemned Hamas on previous occasions for things like when they dragged the corpses of those spies through the streets. Corpse desecration is haram.

AQ, ISIS etc... would not come to the aid of Palestine. They are not working for the good of Muslims or of Islam. They are only interested in their own grasp on power for their own political purposes otherwise they would already be there.



Lets just look back as far as 2012. Israel completely ignored that particular peace deal by continued assassinations, bombings, incursions, kidnappings, the brutal siege and subjugation of Palestinians etc... Hamas responded with a few rockets but I think they showed great restraint in not letting loose with all they had sooner.

It's particularly disingenuous of you to put the blame squarely in Hamas' lap.

Yes, let's look at that:



The proposed peace brokered by Egyptians collapsed with the renewed roar of air strikes and rocket attacks across the Gaza Strip — and both Hamas and Israel promising to escalate the violence.

The fragile peace was shattered by Hamas forces within just six hours of its start. The rocket launches were answered with Israeli military might.


Israeli authorities issued a warning Tuesday for tens of thousands of Gaza residents to leave their home by sunrise Wednesday, a prelude to attacks in the north and east.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/israel-resumes-airstrikes-gaza-hamas-militants-violated-de-escalation-article-1.1867129#ixzz39D5s6j00



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/israel-resumes-airstrikes-gaza-hamas-militants-violated-de-escalation-article-1.1867129

Hamas broke the peace, not Israel. Israel, again, fired counterstrikes.

You say you condemn them for some things, but they continue, up to present, to target Israeli schools and hospitals, as well as to load their schools and hospitals with their weapons and troops, to force Israel into the position of needing to accept killing innocent to hurt Hamas' military. Hamas has no such grounding in their targets, because they are terrorists.

[Drummond]

You speak of anti Israeli savagery, yet neglect to mention Israeli savagery. They have had a refugee camp under siege for the best part of a decade and have bombed them repeatedly. I'm surprised there hasn't been more than a few rockets in retaliation.

So you won't do it ? You just can't bring yourself to post anything critical of Hamas's latest terrorism ?

You've painted yourself as anti-terrorist in the past. NOW, when this is tested, you won't say ONE WORD against Hamas terrorists.

The Wikipedia link I sent you before, began with ...


Since 2001, Palestinian militants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_militant) have launched thousands of rocket (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket) and mortar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortar_(weapon)) attacks on Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) from the Gaza Strip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip) as part of the continuing Arab–Israeli conflict (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict).

THOUSANDS, JAFAR. But in the face of that, you say ... NOTHING.

But when it comes to attacking Israel ... there you are, always ready to come up with one intended to demonise. These days, you never fail to. In fact, you even sought out and posted anti-Israeli propaganda which was proven bogus. Did that give you pause for reflection ? I see no evidence of it !!

You say:


I'm surprised there hasn't been more than a few rockets in retaliation.

I SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THOUSANDS OF THEM IS MORE THAN JUST A 'FEW'' !!!!!

This just goes to show how far you'll go to sanitise the truth, in defence of your terrorist buddies.

As for your assertion of a 'blockade' .. well, what else do you do with a terrorist State, ruled by terrorists, who'll get for themselves as many rockets as they can lay their hands on ? WHY should Israel NOT blockade such attempts ???

[DragonStryk72]

You speak of anti Israeli savagery, yet neglect to mention Israeli savagery. They have had a refugee camp under siege for the best part of a decade and have bombed them repeatedly. I'm surprised there hasn't been more than a few rockets in retaliation.

Let's talk about that, shall we? The camp you're talking about, I assume, is the Gaza Strip. Now, here's the issue with that: Gaza was Israel's until 1994, when they willingly gave it to the Palestinians of the area as a part of a peace deal. Later, Hamas broke said peace, and took over Gaza. Israel then took it back, as the peace deal, upon which Gaza was contingent, had been broken.

So let me ask you this: If I were to give you a car, on agreement that you make regular payments until it's paid off, and you intentionally stop making payments, despite having the money for them, is it not my right to rescind ownership of the car from you?

[Jeff]

Let's talk about that, shall we? The camp you're talking about, I assume, is the Gaza Strip. Now, here's the issue with that: Gaza was Israel's until 1994, when they willingly gave it to the Palestinians of the area as a part of a peace deal. Later, Hamas broke said peace, and took over Gaza. Israel then took it back, as the peace deal, upon which Gaza was contingent, had been broken.

So let me ask you this: If I were to give you a car, on agreement that you make regular payments until it's paid off, and you intentionally stop making payments, despite having the money for them, is it not my right to rescind ownership of the car from you?

To much common sense here

[Drummond]

Let's talk about that, shall we? The camp you're talking about, I assume, is the Gaza Strip. Now, here's the issue with that: Gaza was Israel's until 1994, when they willingly gave it to the Palestinians of the area as a part of a peace deal. Later, Hamas broke said peace, and took over Gaza. Israel then took it back, as the peace deal, upon which Gaza was contingent, had been broken.

So let me ask you this: If I were to give you a car, on agreement that you make regular payments until it's paid off, and you intentionally stop making payments, despite having the money for them, is it not my right to rescind ownership of the car from you?:clap::clap::clap:

Great argument ! Well worth the 'Reputation' I've just sent (.. which I think I mis-spelled, because it mistakenly 'sent' before I corrected my typo ..).

I look forward to Jafar's answer (assuming he doesn't bail out ..).

[Jeff]

:clap::clap::clap:

Great argument ! Well worth the 'Reputation' I've just sent (.. which I think I mis-spelled, because it mistakenly 'sent' before I corrected my typo ..).

I look forward to Jafar's answer (assuming he doesn't bail out ..).

Hey Buddy if you need some spelling lessons just give me a holler :laugh::laugh:

[Drummond]

Hey Buddy if you need some spelling lessons just give me a holler :laugh::laugh::coffee:

Not spelling lessons, so much as typing lessons ..

[Jeff]

:coffee:

Not spelling lessons, so much as typing lessons ..

I can help with those as well :laugh: just ask Gabby :laugh: Drummond if I was you I wouldn't worry about a thing when it comes to typing or spelling. :thumb: