Outrage as France become first country in world to ban pro-Palestine demos

[jafar00]

Unbelievable bias.

It's interesting to note that the legislation is based on a lie. This is the same info I have from people I know in France. JDL went through mostly Arab neighbourhoods, insulting and goading the residents into a fight. That fight along with massive propaganda efforts resulted in this French legislation against pro-Palestine rallies.

Criticism of Israel is NOT anti semitism.


There were false claims made last week that synagogues in Paris had been targeted by pro-Palestinian demonstrators.

In fact videos showed armed vigilantes from a group called the Jewish Defence League (LDJ) baiting demonstrators into fights.

There were no arrests among the LDJ, despite them fighting and smashing up property in full view of the police.

Six pro-Palestine protestors were arrested for a variety of public order offences, but none had been anywhere near Paris synagogues, which remained undamaged.

A judicial enquiry is set to be launched into the false allegations made about the synagogue attacks – ones which people claim were made up to demonise supporters of Palestine by associating them with anti-Semitism.


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[Daniyel]

It said that at least 7,000 pro-Palestinians participated, JDL are not over than 500, even armed with full combat gear and riot control I don't see how it is possible to make such scene happen with 500 people vs 3000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6k3RH3AUkc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6k3RH3AUkc)You can clearly see the protesters nature, very peaceful and calm.

[Kathianne]

I agree that banning protests is wrong, no matter how wrong the protesters may be. France instead should be looking to arrest those that caused the damage to synagogues, cemeteries, etc.

They certainly should keep ultra-Jewish groups separate from ultra-Muslim groups, but their real efforts should be brought to bear on those causing harm.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If France wants to do something meaningful and right they will ban all muslims there and start deporting the ones they have now IMHO.
Here is the truth and the reason for that.
Every muslim is taught to overthrow every non-Sharia government that they are "forced" to live under!!!
Islam teaches revolution and overthrow in every nation that they do not already rule with Sharia law! In short -Islam teaches treason in every nation it infects and does not yet control!! Fact-Tyr

[NightTrain]

Good on France!

That's the 2nd good deed they've done in a couple hundred years that I can think of.

The other Good Deed was when they blew up the Greenpeace ship in New Zealand.

[hjmick]

Good on France!

That's the 2nd good deed they've done in a couple hundred years that I can think of.

The other Good Deed was when they blew up the Greenpeace ship in New Zealand.


They backed us against mother England in the Revolutionary War...

[Drummond]

Good on France!

That's the 2nd good deed they've done in a couple hundred years that I can think of.

The other Good Deed was when they blew up the Greenpeace ship in New Zealand.

There's this one as well ....

http://www.voanews.com/content/frances-veil-ban-goes-into-effect-on-monday-119587889/137809.html


France becomes the first country to enforce a ban against the niqab, or Muslim face veil Monday, when new legislation comes into force.

[Drummond]

Unbelievable bias.

Ah, but at least you're entertaining with it, Jafar ...


Criticism of Israel is NOT anti semitism.

Not automatically so .. I'll give you that. Although there are a 'remarkably' high percentage of Muslims who'd defy such a conclusion.

I think it's all the rockets that sort of give the game away. Wouldn't you agree ?

[Kathianne]

Hey, if you are all arguing that France hasn't our constitutional restrictions, fine. I'm not seeing that though, just 'hey, get the Muslims.'

Guess the idea of the freedom OF religion and free speech and assembly just aren't that high on your lists?

Here's the deal, imo, people can disagree vehemently, still order can prevail.

[aboutime]

Hey, if you are all arguing that France hasn't our constitutional restrictions, fine. I'm not seeing that though, just 'hey, get the Muslims.'

Guess the idea of the freedom OF religion and free speech and assembly just aren't that high on your lists?

Here's the deal, imo, people can disagree vehemently, still order can prevail.

Kathianne. No disrespect intended here on this topic but. Have you investigated what nations like France, and the U.K. have been going through for more than a decade?
To make somewhat of a comparison.

France, Great Britain, and several other European nations have been feeling surges of Islamic, and Muslim exodus' into their nations in GREAT NUMBERS, and PROPORTIONS....MUCH like our SouthWestern, Border states have been experiencing those THOUSANDS of Children from Central American nations, and Mexico.

If the people in France, and other nations PRETEND nothing is happening...since they do not enjoy our Constitutional Freedoms.
Investigate the word CALIPHATE...extending into Europe.
I know you will disagree. But. REALITY means something to the people who are trying to stop those assemblies.

[Kathianne]

Kathianne. No disrespect intended here on this topic but. Have you investigated what nations like France, and the U.K. have been going through for more than a decade?
To make somewhat of a comparison.

France, Great Britain, and several other European nations have been feeling surges of Islamic, and Muslim exodus' into their nations in GREAT NUMBERS, and PROPORTIONS....MUCH like our SouthWestern, Border states have been experiencing those THOUSANDS of Children from Central American nations, and Mexico.

If the people in France, and other nations PRETEND nothing is happening...since they do not enjoy our Constitutional Freedoms.
Investigate the word CALIPHATE...extending into Europe.
I know you will disagree. But. REALITY means something to the people who are trying to stop those assemblies.

So you are cool with doing away with freedom of speech, religion, and assembly? Is that what you're saying?

[Drummond]

Kathianne. No disrespect intended here on this topic but. Have you investigated what nations like France, and the U.K. have been going through for more than a decade?
To make somewhat of a comparison.

France, Great Britain, and several other European nations have been feeling surges of Islamic, and Muslim exodus' into their nations in GREAT NUMBERS, and PROPORTIONS....MUCH like our SouthWestern, Border states have been experiencing those THOUSANDS of Children from Central American nations, and Mexico.

If the people in France, and other nations PRETEND nothing is happening...since they do not enjoy our Constitutional Freedoms.
Investigate the word CALIPHATE...extending into Europe.
I know you will disagree. But. REALITY means something to the people who are trying to stop those assemblies.

I wouldn't say that in the UK's case, they're pretending that 'nothing is happening'. If only it were that simple ....

No, in our case, our Socialists (when in power) actively pushed the thinking, backed by legislation they introduced, which had it that to do less than 'respect' Muslims and their wishes was a form of intolerance definable as racism. Labour actively encouraged immigration, insisted that tolerance always be extended to them. Over time and our treaty obligations (arranged by Gordon Brown, another Leftie), we became locked into EU laws on the issue as well. We've had one hell of a time chucking out 'radical' Islamist preachers in part thanks to EU 'human rights' laws.

I daresay that Constitutional freedoms would've been proof against that foreign influence, had we ever had them ?

[NightTrain]

They backed us against mother England in the Revolutionary War...

I thought of that, that's why I qualified it with "a couple hundred years".

[Jeff]

Good on France!

That's the 2nd good deed they've done in a couple hundred years that I can think of.

The other Good Deed was when they blew up the Greenpeace ship in New Zealand.

Dang I thought all they ever did good was come up with French Fries :laugh:

[jimnyc]

Out of all of the Islamic nations in the world - I wonder how many would allow marches by anyone other than Muslims? Well, at least without heads being sawed off. Where is the outrage about Christians being shut down like 2nd class citizens in Islamic countries? Why no word about that? No word about women who get shut down like animals when it comes to learning, driving and being a human being. When these countries ban such things, why aren't Muslims getting angry at those things?

Nonetheless, countries that allow freedoms of press, religion and speech should be moving forward, not backwards.

[aboutime]

Out of all of the Islamic nations in the world - I wonder how many would allow marches by anyone other than Muslims? Well, at least without heads being sawed off. Where is the outrage about Christians being shut down like 2nd class citizens in Islamic countries? Why no word about that? No word about women who get shut down like animals when it comes to learning, driving and being a human being. When these countries ban such things, why aren't Muslims getting angry at those things?

Nonetheless, countries that allow freedoms of press, religion and speech should be moving forward, not backwards.


Jim. LETS ASK JAFAR to answer your questions. Can't wait to see what his planned propaganda response looks like.

[jafar00]

Out of all of the Islamic nations in the world - I wonder how many would allow marches by anyone other than Muslims? Well, at least without heads being sawed off. Where is the outrage about Christians being shut down like 2nd class citizens in Islamic countries? Why no word about that? No word about women who get shut down like animals when it comes to learning, driving and being a human being. When these countries ban such things, why aren't Muslims getting angry at those things?

Well, Egypt allowed it. Yes even marches of Christians while the Muslim Brotherhood were in charge. Not now the old regime is back in though.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Hey, if you are all arguing that France hasn't our constitutional restrictions, fine. I'm not seeing that though, just 'hey, get the Muslims.'

Guess the idea of the freedom OF religion and free speech and assembly just aren't that high on your lists?

Here's the deal, imo, people can disagree vehemently, still order can prevail.

Those that hate, outlaw and have zero respect for the rights just mentioned deserve no right to be able to hide behind such IMHO.
The nation I made my remark about does not have our Constitution and in theory you stand rings bells but this is a very special case. As in do we encourage and protect the wolf packs that have one mission--that of our destruction!? Or more specifically should any nation coddle, protect and extend rights to enemies with it's own borders that exist only to overthrow it and enslave it's citizens!?
My firmly held stand is our Constitution does not apply to other nation's citizen nor should it apply to "spies" or enemies hiding within our borders that actively seek to overthrow this nation. Islam teaches that every non-muslim government is to be utterly destroyed and Sharia law put into place.
I can hold no other viewpoint since I rightly see Islam as a far , far greater evil and dark murdering force than were the Nazi's.
It is always a mistake to see Islam in the false light it presents itself, that of -The Religion of Peace.. It is exactly the opposite of that IMHO.
I am sure that within the next decade or two , hundreds of millions will come to know the TRUTH that I speak of in this matter.
Sorry to see that we differ so greatly on this subject my friend..-Tyr

[jimnyc]

While I disagree with the limiting of free speech and such, this is NOT "speech". This is how the Muslims in France protest - by hurling rocks and trying to start violence with the police.

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[Kathianne]

While I disagree with the limiting of free speech and such, this is NOT "speech". This is how the Muslims in France protest - by hurling rocks and trying to start violence with the police.

That is not a protest, it has become a riot.

[jimnyc]

That is not a protest, it has become a riot.

Oh, no doubt about that at all. But watch when the police crack down on the violence, and then the Muslims worldwide scream about how their rights were violated for a simple protest. The scenes are somewhat similar at related protests in other countries. It went from protest to riots and violence awfully quick. I guarantee you, mark my word, that some will try and blame Israel supporters for the violence. But look at the videos and photos coming out and it's just pure violence towards police and property.

[Daniyel]

That is not a protest, it has become a riot.

Like it said, it takes one idiot to burn the entire forest.
And yes Jim, the DailyMail.UK published a photo of the riots from a video (Khalid ibn Walid) that captured by the Jews inside the synagogue claiming the JDL charged the protesters with iron bars, literally reversed it.

[Noir]

Y'all should see how often the protestant parades in Northern Ireland descending into rioting. I assume those applauding France in this thread would also applaud Northern Ireland if it passed law to restrict and ban Christians parading and protesting here. Right?

[SassyLady]

Y'all should see how often the protestant parades in Northern Ireland descending into rioting. I assume those applauding France in this thread would also applaud Northern Ireland if it passed law to restrict and ban Christians parading and protesting here. Right?

Anytime, in any country, if "peaceful" protests are held and laws regarding those peaceful protests are adhered to there would be no need to ban anything.

However, once so called "peaceful" protests are just an excuse for rioting, then I think a ban is called for.

Would you do nothing and continue to let the protestors destroy your city? Regardless of their religion, race or political leanings?

[jimnyc]

Y'all should see how often the protestant parades in Northern Ireland descending into rioting. I assume those applauding France in this thread would also applaud Northern Ireland if it passed law to restrict and ban Christians parading and protesting here. Right?

Passed a law, no. But if they sent riot police out and beat the crap out of those purposely inciting violence and tossing rocks - no issue with that. Same as here with the Muslims. When they started tossing rocks and such, they should have been shot with the bean bag guns on the spot, or worse.

[aboutime]

Y'all should see how often the protestant parades in Northern Ireland descending into rioting. I assume those applauding France in this thread would also applaud Northern Ireland if it passed law to restrict and ban Christians parading and protesting here. Right?


Noir. You seem to insist that we take your words seriously because you are (as you claim) intelligent enough to recognize the difference between right, and wrong.
All of which mystifies me that you intentionally ignore, and never mention how...Those in the riots are doing what people do around the World to protest.
But..where you intentionally fall short here is. Failure to also recognize how it only takes a few TROUBLE MAKERS in any demonstration, or riot to ENERGIZE the uneducated, easily-led into taking part in the DAMAGE, and DESTRUCTION.

But then. Considering your past here. I fully understand how bluffing, and pretending to be someone you are not...tends to fall into the support category for those TROUBLE MAKERS...you FORGOT to mention.
So. Like jafar. And Our Inept Pretend President Obama.
What you don't say has far more weight than your spoken lies.

[red state]

There's a time and a place and we've allowed our enemies to take advantage of our CONSTITUTION in order to destroy it. The time to STOP our enemies is NOW cuz I'm tired of walking that thin line between being 'fair' and being silent while MY country crumbles around me.

Liberals want to scream against limitations of FREE speech............until a limitation on them and their enemies is concerned. They usual see fit to limit speech when it benefits THEM. The time is now to close our borders to ALL (legal and illegal) immigrants and to seriously question if our Constitution should allow our enemies a voice that calls for the destruction of said Constitution written by Christians.


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