Egyptian truce plan unravels after new fighting

[jimnyc]

For those that claim Israel always starts things. Here was a truce in the making, the terrorists say no and then continue the offensive. Israel needs to send in the troops and the air brigade, take out Hamas 100% once and for all.

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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — An Egyptian truce proposal for the conflict in Gaza quickly unraveled Tuesday, after the Islamic militant Hamas rejected the plan, Gaza militants fired scores of rockets at Israel and Israel responded with more than a dozen air strikes.

The speedy resumption of violence, less than a day after Egypt presented its cease-fire plan, illustrated that it will be harder this time than in the past to negotiate an end to Israel-Hamas fighting.

A key difference to a previous truce in 2012 is that Hamas does not trust the current rulers of Egypt who deposed a Hamas-friendly government in Cairo a year ago.

Israel had agreed to the Egyptian plan, proposed late Monday. Under it, a 12-hour period of de-escalation was to begin at mid-morning Tuesday. Once both sides agree to halt hostilities, they would negotiate the terms of a longer-term truce.

Gaza militants responded by firing dozens of rockets after the proposed start of the de-escalation, some of them reaching deep into Israel, though not causing injuries. Israel, which had warned it would strike Gaza harder than before if Hamas did not halt hostilities, held its fire for several hours, but resumed air strikes by mid-afternoon Tuesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/egyptian-truce-plan-unravels-fighting-131459401.html

[Kathianne]

For those that claim Israel always starts things. Here was a truce in the making, the terrorists say no and then continue the offensive. Israel needs to send in the troops and the air brigade, take out Hamas 100% once and for all.

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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — An Egyptian truce proposal for the conflict in Gaza quickly unraveled Tuesday, after the Islamic militant Hamas rejected the plan, Gaza militants fired scores of rockets at Israel and Israel responded with more than a dozen air strikes.

The speedy resumption of violence, less than a day after Egypt presented its cease-fire plan, illustrated that it will be harder this time than in the past to negotiate an end to Israel-Hamas fighting.

A key difference to a previous truce in 2012 is that Hamas does not trust the current rulers of Egypt who deposed a Hamas-friendly government in Cairo a year ago.

Israel had agreed to the Egyptian plan, proposed late Monday. Under it, a 12-hour period of de-escalation was to begin at mid-morning Tuesday. Once both sides agree to halt hostilities, they would negotiate the terms of a longer-term truce.

Gaza militants responded by firing dozens of rockets after the proposed start of the de-escalation, some of them reaching deep into Israel, though not causing injuries. Israel, which had warned it would strike Gaza harder than before if Hamas did not halt hostilities, held its fire for several hours, but resumed air strikes by mid-afternoon Tuesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/egyptian-truce-plan-unravels-fighting-131459401.html


When the Palis missiles get low, they'll want a cease fire. Rinse and repeat. That's what's been happening for decades now.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

When the Palis missiles get low, they'll want a cease fire. Rinse and repeat. That's what's been happening for decades now.

They always shoot up their supply then get the time to rebuild that supply(months or even years). Israel needs to go in and just kill them all. Then evict the remaining population from lands given in a bargain that was not kept!!!
If I traded a man my good hunting dog for his fine shotgun, he gets the dog and spends years hunting with the dog and keeping that shotgun I am going to take both as punishment! And yes that example did happen and yes I DID TAKE BOTH and gave him a damn good attitude adjustment in addition. Gave him the dog back two years after that but he learned his damn lesson.

[darin]

When the Palis missiles get low, they'll want a cease fire. Rinse and repeat. That's what's been happening for decades now.


Quite astute!

[Kathianne]

Quite astute!

;) I try.

[aboutime]

Problem is...this time. Iran is supplying HAMAS with the ammo, and rockets. It's nearly an unlimited supply Iran needs to keep up to date...for a reason.

Iran needs the World (U.N.) and Flustered Obama/Kerry to be offguard about the upcoming sanctions over the IRAN NUKE programs.

HAMAS is merely providing the distraction Iran needs. Just as they have done many times before.

IRAN, and HAMAS know Obama is gutless, and an appeasing POS who is Gelding material the rest of the World laughs at, and applauds.

Someday. MAYBE the United States of America will get a Real Man/Woman as President. Someday.???

I honestly wish I had more education, and the funds required to attempt to run as a "DARK HORSE" in 2016. But, my age, health, and lack of experience in becoming a professional LIAR....I mean Politician. Just isn't in the stars.
Let alone how most of the members here ignore, and laugh at me. While giving Obama all the rope he needs to HANG ALL OF YOU!

[jafar00]

Apparently Hamas heard about the peace deal from Egypt via the media. Is that any way to negotiate?

Israel is a serial truce breaker anyway.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12758-israel-not-hamas-is-the-serial-truce-breaker

[aboutime]

Apparently Hamas heard about the peace deal from Egypt via the media. Is that any way to negotiate?

Israel is a serial truce breaker anyway.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12758-israel-not-hamas-is-the-serial-truce-breaker



Thanks again jafar. YOUR HATRED REALLY IS EXPOSING YOUR LOST PROPAGANDA MACHINE.

Too bad you are safely tucked away, hiding in Australia, away from Honest people who would only laugh at your COWARDICE.

[jimnyc]

Apparently Hamas heard about the peace deal from Egypt via the media. Is that any way to negotiate?

Interesting that you support terrorists and how they are negotiated with - when those very same terrorists state that they will NEVER negotiate with Israel. How's that a way to negotiate, by stating "never" and saying you would rather see "jew blood"

You're on the wrong side in giving support to a terrorist organization. These guys are literally animals, scum, murderers - and you sympathize with them, make excuses for them. Why? Because their enemy is Jewish?

[jimnyc]

Apparently Hamas heard about the peace deal from Egypt via the media. Is that any way to negotiate?

Israel is a serial truce breaker anyway.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12758-israel-not-hamas-is-the-serial-truce-breaker

And regardless, did they or did they not turn down the peace offer? I read it in no less than 10 places myself, word for word from Hamas themselves that they would NEVER accept that offer, not unless EVERY thing they ask for was given to them.

So why does how they found out even matter if there answer was an unequivocal no and they start lobbing rockets again anyway?

[jafar00]

And regardless, did they or did they not turn down the peace offer? I read it in no less than 10 places myself, word for word from Hamas themselves that they would NEVER accept that offer, not unless EVERY thing they ask for was given to them.

So why does how they found out even matter if there answer was an unequivocal no and they start lobbing rockets again anyway?

Sisi and Israel made a deal with each other and without telling the Hamas govt about it, then demanded that they agree to an agreement they had no part in and which puts them in the same situation where Israel can pretend to agree, but continue taking land, assassinations, and kidnapping with impunity.

[Daniyel]

Sisi and Israel made a deal with each other and without telling the Hamas govt about it, then demanded that they agree to an agreement they had no part in and which puts them in the same situation where Israel can pretend to agree, but continue taking land, assassinations, and kidnapping with impunity.
So if we are capable of such a conspiracy, after Israel and Egypt bloody history, why can't the Palestinians lay down there weapons?

[aboutime]

So if we are capable of such a conspiracy, after Israel and Egypt bloody history, why can't the Palestinians lay down there weapons?



Daniyel. Don't know about you. But I do wonder how jafar manages NOT TO CHOKE on all of his repeated lies?

[Daniyel]

Daniyel. Don't know about you. But I do wonder how jafar manages NOT TO CHOKE on all of his repeated lies?
Its about common sense and logic I'm speaking, not facts or opinions...
May God have mercy upon us all.

[Drummond]

So if we are capable of such a conspiracy, after Israel and Egypt bloody history, why can't the Palestinians lay down there weapons?

Quite apart from the sheer bloodlust involved on the Gazan / Palestinian side, the fact is that if they DID 'lay down' their weapons, they could only do so as a purely temporary measure.

Hamas are committed to their Jihad. Their own Charter (and their nature as terrorist scum) demands it.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?46084-War-is-hell&p=695513#post695513

[Drummond]

Its about common sense and logic I'm speaking, not facts or opinions...
May God have mercy upon us all.

However reasonable this may be ... I can't exactly blame Aboutime for speaking out as he does.

You have to consider that bigotry, race hatred, a total and consuming desire to see Israel destroyed .. these passions, that fanaticism, is what drives Hamas and those allied to it.

And one thing you can depend on from Jafar is that he'll post whatever furthers his own determination to blacken Israel's reputation. This is simple and thoroughly provable fact on this forum, in thread after thread.

I have yet to see Jafar just ONCE so completely condemn Hamas that he won't equivocate, find SOME avenue, in managing to inject some trace of mitigation for the Hamas side. He's far more forthright in demonising Israel than Hamas, from what I've observed.

He can be critical of Hamas, and has been. But always, in Jafar-world, we get the 'blacker than black' picture of the opposition Hamas is committed against.

[Gaffer]

Recently jafar has shown that he's a real muslim and that hamas are real muslims. The number of so called moderate muslims seems to be dwindling rather quickly.

[Daniyel]

Recently jafar has shown that he's a real muslim and that hamas are real muslims. The number of so called moderate muslims seems to be dwindling rather quickly.
As I said Jafar, you are talking about a good side of the Palestinians and the Islam, meanwhile rockets being intercepted above my village, funny don't you think?

[aboutime]

Its about common sense and logic I'm speaking, not facts or opinions...
May God have mercy upon us all.


Daniyel (Danny). Please know, from my most sincere, heart-felt thoughts. How I personally feel, and wish that the enemies of Israel would suddenly change their hatred into honest fellowship of Humanity.

From the very beginning. When I personally began to learn, and understand how Lonely Israel, and her people actually are...sitting in the midst of so much hatred that surrounds all of you. I have never allowed myself to be anything but fully supportive of Israel in having the unquestionable right to DEFEND herself, and her people.

Members here, like jafar, are mere weapons of Ignorance, Hatred, and Stupidity...all caused by the propaganda about Jews that began prior to the Holocaust.

The people who call themselves Palestinians, supported by Hamas; are oddly similar in Ideology to our American versions of HATE mongers from the Left, and Democrat party who always SPEAK the largest lies, while hiding behind their phony hatred, directed at Israel, and Jews. Much like the Left, and Democrats pretend to care for Our Black Americans whom....democrats NEED to remain Uneducated...and Beholden to Leftist, Socialist, Destructive powers called LYING POLITICIANS.

If Hamas, and the Palestinians ACTUALLY wanted, and supported PEACE. We would have no need to be discussing it here.
And that Danny...is my HONEST take on what is happening.
Please know. Despite all the misunderstood rhetoric. I am fully behind You, and Israel.