Even Egyptians want to see the end of Hamas

[jimnyc]

The bold/red portion describes many - who sympathize with a known terrorist organization to the world. They would rather support a terror group, solely because it's Jews they are fighting. Those doing so are directly supporting them, might as well have some funds directly deposited to the terrorists.

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Over the past week there are voices coming out of Egypt and some Arab countries -- voices that publicly support the Israeli military operation against Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

They see the atrocities and massacres committed by Islamists on a daily basis in Iraq and Syria and are beginning to ask themselves if these serve the interests of the Arabs and Muslims.

"Thank you Netanyahu and may God give us more [people] like you to destroy Hamas!" — Azza Sami of the Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram.

Isolated and under attack, Hamas now realizes that it has lost the sympathy of many Egyptians and Arabs.

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Sisi has thus far turned down appeals from Palestinians and other Arabs to work toward achieving a new ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.

Palestinian Authority [PA] President Mahmoud Abbas telephoned Sisi and urged him to intervene to achieve an "immediate ceasefire" between Israel and Hamas. Abbas later admitted that his appeal to Sisi and (other Arab leaders) had fallen on deaf ears.

Sisi's decision not to intervene in the current crisis did not come as a surprise. In fact, Sisi and many Egyptians seem to be delighted that Hamas is being badly hurt.

Some Egyptians are even openly expressing hope that Israel will completely destroy Hamas, which they regard as the "armed branch of the Muslim Brotherhood terrorist organization."

Sisi's Egypt has not forgiven Hamas for its alliance with Muslim Brotherhood and its involvement in terrorist attacks against Egyptian civilians and soldiers over the past year.

The Egyptians today understand that Hamas and other radical Islamist groups pose a serious threat to their national security. That is why the Egyptian authorities have, over the past year, been taking tough security measures not only against Hamas, but also the entire population of the Gaza Strip.

These measures include the destruction of dozens of smuggling tunnels along the border between the Gaza Strip and Egypt and the designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization.

True, there are still many Egyptians and Arabs who sympathize with Hamas, mainly because it is being targeted by Israel. But over the past week, there are also different voices coming out of Egypt and some other Arab countries -- voices that publicly support the Israeli military operation against the Islamist movement in the Gaza Strip.

This is perhaps because a growing number of Arabs and Muslims are fed up with the Islamist terrorists who are imposing a reign of terror and intimidation in the Arab world, particularly in Iraq and Syria. They see the atrocities and massacres committed by Islamists on a daily basis in Iraq and Syria and are beginning to ask themselves if these serve the interests of the Arabs and Muslims.

Sisi and other Arab leaders are now sitting on the fence and hoping that this time Israel will complete the job and get rid of Hamas once and for all. Palestinian Authority officials in Ramallah are certainly not going to shed a tear if Hamas is crushed and removed from power in the Gaza Strip.

The reaction of some Egyptians to the Israeli military operation has shocked Hamas and other Palestinians. As one Hamas spokesman noted: "It's disgraceful to see that some Egyptians are publicly supporting the Israeli aggression on the Gaza Strip while Westerners are expressing solidarity with the Palestinians and condemning Israel."

Addressing the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, Egyptian actor Amr Mustafa said that they should not expect any help from the Egyptians. "You must get rid of Hamas and we will help you," he said. He also called on Hamas to stop meddling in the internal affairs of Arab countries. "Pull your men out of Egypt, Syria and Libya," Mustafa demanded. "In Egypt, we are today fighting poverty that was caused by wars. We have enough of our own problems. Don't expect the Egyptians to give more than what they have already given. We've had enough of what you did to our country."

Rest here: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3d4_1405298101

[Daniyel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-0LKWoDdnc

The Muslim Brotherhood is highly affiliated with Hamas.
President El-Sisi knows that very well and so as the Egyptians, Sisi elected by 96% more or less.
I See peace and further greater affairs between Israel and Egypt in the near future.

[jafar00]

Nice the way you present state run Egyptian media reports as entirely factual :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-0LKWoDdnc

The Muslim Brotherhood is highly affiliated with Hamas.
President El-Sisi knows that very well and so as the Egyptians, Sisi elected by 96% more or less.
I See peace and further greater affairs between Israel and Egypt in the near future.

A 96% election result falls in well with other dictator's "elections" like Mubarak, Saddam Hussein, or Quadhafi. I LOLed.

[Daniyel]

Nice the way you present state run Egyptian media reports as entirely factual :D



A 96% election result falls in well with other dictator's "elections" like Mubarak, Saddam Hussein, or Quadhafi. I LOLed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdel_Fattah_el-Sisi#President_of_Egypt
If you want a common sense? Fine.
He is also well respected in Israel unlike Saddam, Quadhafi, and Mubarak, and the other options like the Muslim Brotherhood for example.
So you tell me, Egypt interested in peace or war with Israel? I assume peace, what do you think el-Sisi position about it?
Let me tell you the Muslim Brotherhood opinion about peace with Israel, here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood) in a tiny square you can read HAMAS.
and don't take my word, take the word of the British guardian newspaper which by the way doesn't really favor Israel. (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/04/egyptian-court-bans-hamas-activities)

Nice try there Jafar.

[jimnyc]

Nice the way you present state run Egyptian media reports as entirely factual :D



A 96% election result falls in well with other dictator's "elections" like Mubarak, Saddam Hussein, or Quadhafi. I LOLed.

Does this change the fact of the article - that even the muslims in egypt would like to see the demise of Hamas?

Why do you have NO ISSUE condemning Israel, non-stop, every day, as much as possible and as vehemently as possible - but have trouble writing the same about Hamas, and even defend some of what they do, minimize it and/or sympathize with them?

Do you not realize that they are terrorists? And saying Israel is a "state sponsored terror group" doesn't make it so. But VERY telling that you can make that up and stick with it, but can't find the courage to do the same about Hamas, which is already recognized around the world as a terror group. Is it perhaps because their enemy at the moment is Jews?

[aboutime]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-0LKWoDdnc

The Muslim Brotherhood is highly affiliated with Hamas.
President El-Sisi knows that very well and so as the Egyptians, Sisi elected by 96% more or less.
I See peace and further greater affairs between Israel and Egypt in the near future.


Daniyel. Since you are new to this forum. I suspect you haven't seen how deeply that affiliation really goes, even here in the USA.

http://icansayit.com/images/Musbrohoodmem.jpg

[jafar00]

Does this change the fact of the article - that even the muslims in egypt would like to see the demise of Hamas?

Which Muslims in Egypt are they? I don't know any of them.


Why do you have NO ISSUE condemning Israel, non-stop, every day, as much as possible and as vehemently as possible - but have trouble writing the same about Hamas, and even defend some of what they do, minimize it and/or sympathize with them?

Do you not realize that they are terrorists? And saying Israel is a "state sponsored terror group" doesn't make it so. But VERY telling that you can make that up and stick with it, but can't find the courage to do the same about Hamas, which is already recognized around the world as a terror group. Is it perhaps because their enemy at the moment is Jews?

Who broke the ceasefire of 2012? Who constantly attacked Gaza during that ceasefire agreement?

This graphic shows the situation pretty well.

Israeli violations of the ceasefire agreement were almost weekly. Responses from Gaza (not necessarily from Hamas) were sporadic at best. I think Gaza showed great restraint before Israel started the latest violence with an air strike.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-F07y-Gax1XA/UvKDpEwhwZI/AAAAAAAAFVY/vS6xmEK44Zg/s1600/Gaza+Dynamics.png

[aboutime]

Which Muslims in Egypt are they? I don't know any of them.



Who broke the ceasefire of 2012? Who constantly attacked Gaza during that ceasefire agreement?

This graphic shows the situation pretty well.

Israeli violations of the ceasefire agreement were almost weekly. Responses from Gaza (not necessarily from Hamas) were sporadic at best. I think Gaza showed great restraint before Israel started the latest violence with an air strike.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-F07y-Gax1XA/UvKDpEwhwZI/AAAAAAAAFVY/vS6xmEK44Zg/s1600/Gaza+Dynamics.png

jafar. Of course YOU don't know any of them. How could you, while safely hiding in Australia...pretending you know nothing about propaganda???

[Daniyel]

Jafar matter of fact its simple, Hamas is not a charity organization, they are affiliated with the Muslim Brothers and the Islamic Jihad and so on with Iran and Iraq including Hezbollah and other humanitarian freedom fighters, no matter the statistics you'll show up, its all false since they are considered as fruits of the poisonous tree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree) and I say 3-No to them, No recognition, No negotiation, No peace (http://www.sixdaywar.org/content/khartoum.asp).
Poetically fits. :laugh:

[jafar00]

Jafar matter of fact its simple, Hamas is not a charity organization, they are affiliated with the Muslim Brothers and the Islamic Jihad and so on with Iran and Iraq including Hezbollah and other humanitarian freedom fighters, no matter the statistics you'll show up, its all false since they are considered as fruits of the poisonous tree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_the_poisonous_tree) and I say 3-No to them, No recognition, No negotiation, No peace (http://www.sixdaywar.org/content/khartoum.asp).
Poetically fits. :laugh:

Did you seriously just connect Hamas with Iran and Hezbollah?

[aboutime]

Did you seriously just connect Hamas with Iran and Hezbollah?

JAFAR. Are you seriously pretending, or acting as if you are surprised when such TRUTH is presented?

[Daniyel]

Did you seriously just connect Hamas with Iran and Hezbollah?
Fajr-5 rockets that reach Tel Aviv are Iranian and Hamas shot like 20 of them today just above my village.
And Hezbollah is also a Sunni organization although they might not agree with Hamas about Syria, Hamas doesn't really give a shit about anyone except themselves.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_foreign_relations
majdoube.

[NightTrain]

Which Muslims in Egypt are they? I don't know any of them.



Who broke the ceasefire of 2012? Who constantly attacked Gaza during that ceasefire agreement?

This graphic shows the situation pretty well.

Israeli violations of the ceasefire agreement were almost weekly. Responses from Gaza (not necessarily from Hamas) were sporadic at best. I think Gaza showed great restraint before Israel started the latest violence with an air strike.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-F07y-Gax1XA/UvKDpEwhwZI/AAAAAAAAFVY/vS6xmEK44Zg/s1600/Gaza+Dynamics.png

When providing information such as this, it's customary and expected that you link the source. Where is your graph from?

The poor slob that built this graph couldn't even keep his bias out of the legend - "Number of Israeli Violations" as opposed to "Number of Launches from Gaza".

Your sources are highly amusing with how completely inaccurate they always are and completely devoid of any real truth. Where did you get it and what are the author's sources?

[aboutime]

When providing information such as this, it's customary and expected that you link the source. Where is your graph from?


NightTrain. I thought you would recognize the source as coming from jafar's propaganda files labeled

"HAMAS INFORMATION TO SILENCE THE NON-BELIEVERS".

jafar's collection is nearly as vast as the "DNC Talking Points Manual, and Lie Fabrication Book."

[jafar00]

When providing information such as this, it's customary and expected that you link the source. Where is your graph from?

The poor slob that built this graph couldn't even keep his bias out of the legend - "Number of Israeli Violations" as opposed to "Number of Launches from Gaza".

Your sources are highly amusing with how completely inaccurate they always are and completely devoid of any real truth. Where did you get it and what are the author's sources?

Is it your contention that the Israelis have not violated the truce and other truces that came before it?

[Gaffer]

Is it your contention that the Israelis have not violated the truce and other truces that came before it?

You answer his questions then he answers yours, that's how it works.

[Jeff]

When providing information such as this, it's customary and expected that you link the source. Where is your graph from?

The poor slob that built this graph couldn't even keep his bias out of the legend - "Number of Israeli Violations" as opposed to "Number of Launches from Gaza".

Your sources are highly amusing with how completely inaccurate they always are and completely devoid of any real truth. Where did you get it and what are the author's sources?


Is it your contention that the Israelis have not violated the truce and other truces that came before it?


You answer his questions then he answers yours, that's how it works.

Seems simple enough to me, just answer the question jafar, I mean you are the first to scream about where a post comes from. But I guess when you are spewing lie after lie facts are just a pesky little thing that gets in the way :rolleyes:

[jimnyc]

Is it your contention that the Israelis have not violated the truce and other truces that came before it?

You didn't answer/comply with his request - which is to give a source for your data. Unless you made that graph yourself, someone needs credit for it.

[Daniyel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xuYcjubV7I&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g&index=3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VtENBF_yjo&index=7&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VtENBF_yjo&index=7&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VtENBF_yjo&index=7&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g)




I Got more.

[aboutime]

Seems simple enough to me, just answer the question jafar, I mean you are the first to scream about where a post comes from. But I guess when you are spewing lie after lie facts are just a pesky little thing that gets in the way :rolleyes:



Jeff. Collectively. All of us who ARE NOT jafar, have no need to accept, or believe ANY of his constantly repeated Propaganda here.

Notice how jafar can never PROVE lies, while always finding other reasons/excuses to disprove Honest, Truthful facts...HE CANNOT, and NEVER WILL CHANGE.

[jafar00]

Seems simple enough to me, just answer the question jafar, I mean you are the first to scream about where a post comes from. But I guess when you are spewing lie after lie facts are just a pesky little thing that gets in the way :rolleyes:

If you insist.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12758-israel-not-hamas-is-the-serial-truce-breaker-



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xuYcjubV7I&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g&index=3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VtENBF_yjo&index=7&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g)
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VtENBF_yjo&index=7&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VtENBF_yjo&index=7&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VtENBF_yjo&index=7&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g)




I Got more.

They are mouthpieces for the state. There is no freedom of press in Egypt. They just spout the state line. Like in the first revolution. State run media was 100% supportive of Mubarak right until the end.

[aboutime]

Jeff. jafar is forbidden from disclosing any of his propaganda sources. If he did so, and stopped trying to spread the hatred that his propaganda is based on. He might be surprised...down there in OZ, by a visitor with a very SHARP implement...just strong enough to SEVER A HEAD.

[Jeff]

If you insist.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12758-israel-not-hamas-is-the-serial-truce-breaker-



Seriously, this from the guy that yells about where post come from all the time, I do thank you for answering jafar but people that live in glass houses ( you know the rest ) I bet that site will tell you everything YOU want to hear.

I guess somethings come back to haunt you, it is best to remember your stance on things or better yet remember where you get your info before attacking others.

[NightTrain]

If you insist.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/12758-israel-not-hamas-is-the-serial-truce-breaker-

That wasn't so hard, was it?

So, the very first paragraph of the Middle East Monitor under the 'About Us' page reads :


The use or misuse of information is central to the conflict in the Middle East. There has been a growing need for supporters of, in particular, the Palestinian cause, to master the art of information gathering, analysis and dissemination. This requires well organised, focused and targeted operations. Such initiatives are virtually non-existent in the West today.

Doesn't sound very impartial, does it, Jafar? Nope, I guess not.

Thanks for the laugh, you delivered as you always do.

[aboutime]

That wasn't so hard, was it?

So, the very first paragraph of the Middle East Monitor under the 'About Us' page reads :

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Doesn't sound very impartial, does it, Jafar? Nope, I guess not.

Thanks for the laugh, you delivered as you always do.

NightTrain. jafar has no defense for his use of propaganda. You won't be getting any Honest answers since his endless propaganda machine is based on lies, and Hateful Fabrications. Designed to appease other, equally guilty liars.

[Drummond]

That wasn't so hard, was it?

So, the very first paragraph of the Middle East Monitor under the 'About Us' page reads :

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Doesn't sound very impartial, does it, Jafar? Nope, I guess not.

Thanks for the laugh, you delivered as you always do.

You beat me to it .. I'd just dug out that same 'About Us' comment myself, when I saw your post.

But never mind. When Jafar finds them, they're 'not' hate sites ... amazingly enough ...

One of those 'honorary advisers' the page refers to (... as it describes him ...) cited a contributor I've heard of before. Doing a little bit of digging ... I confirmed my suspicion. See this, on 'Lord Nazir Ahmed', of Rotherham ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazir_Ahmed,_Baron_Ahmed


Nazir Ahmed, Baron Ahmed (born 24 April 1957) is a member of the British House of Lords. He was appointed on the recommendation of Prime Minister Tony Blair in 1998. Many of his political activities relate to the Muslim community both in the UK and abroad and he has often attracted controversy. He was suspended for a time from the Labour Party in 2012 after he was misquoted as placing a bounty on U.S. President Barack Obama and former President George W. Bush.

In 2013, Lord Ahmed was suspended again, this time for antisemitism; stemming from a report in The Times that he blamed a Jewish conspiracy for a prison sentence he received following a fatal motorway crash. The newspaper revealed that he appeared on Pakistani television and stated that he was imprisoned in 2009 because of pressure on the courts from Jews “who own newspapers and TV channels". He resigned from the Labour Party on 13 May.

On 14 March 2013, The Times newspaper in London revealed that Ahmed had blamed a Jewish conspiracy for his driving conviction. In an interview given in Urdu, broadcast on a Pakistani television channel in April 2012, the peer claimed that he was jailed because of pressure on the courts by Jewish owned media: "My case became more critical because I went to Gaza to support Palestinians. My Jewish friends who own newspapers and TV channels opposed this." He also alluded to further Jewish involvement regarding the judge, claiming that Mr Justice Wilkie was specifically selected to judge his case having previously been appointed to the high court after helping a "Jewish colleague" of former Labour prime minister Tony Blair during an important case. The Times pointed out that neither of these claims about the judge were factually correct.

Reactions were negative. Katie Wheatley, a criminal law expert, said that if Ahmed had made such claims in Britain he could have faced prosecution for a hate crime. The Labour party immediately suspended him, saying it "deplores and does not tolerate any sort of racism or anti-Semitism." Jewish organisations condemned the comments, with the Board of Deputies of British Jews, saying, "We are appalled by Lord Ahmed's alleged comments which recall the worst Jewish conspiracy theories."

'No bias there, then', eh, Jafar .. ?:laugh:

[Drummond]

You beat me to it .. I'd just dug out that same 'About Us' comment myself, when I saw your post.

But never mind. When Jafar finds them, they're 'not' hate sites ... amazingly enough ...

One of those 'honorary advisers' the page refers to (... as it describes him ...) cited a contributor I've heard of before. Doing a little bit of digging ... I confirmed my suspicion. See this, on 'Lord Nazir Ahmed', of Rotherham ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazir_Ahmed,_Baron_Ahmed



'No bias there, then', eh, Jafar .. ?:laugh:

On another of those 'honorary advisers' ... in this case, Professor Tariq Ramadan .... I've found him listed as a Hamas supporter. See ....

http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/01/international-list-of-hamas-supporters-published/


International List Of Hamas Supporters Published (http://hurryupharry.org/2009/03/01/international-list-of-hamas-supporters-published/)

Appeal for the removal of Hamas from the EU terror list!

On the occasion of the June 2009 European elections, we are launching an urgent appeal to all candidates for the 736 seats in the European parliament.

We ask that they actively pursue the immediate and unconditional removal of Hamas and all other Palestinian liberation organizations from the European list of proscribed terrorist organizations.

We further ask that they acknowledge the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and, by so doing, recognise, Hamas as a legitimate voice for the Palestinian people’s aspirations for national liberation.

***

The initiative was launched by Nadine Rosa-Rosso, a teacher and independent communist militant living in Bruxelles. It is a result of the Beirut Resistance Forum from 16-18 January 2009.

The first signatories are:

Jose Saramago (writer, Portugal)
Mairead Maguire (Nobel Peace Prize laureate, Ireland)
Danny Morrison (writer, Ireland)
Ronnie Kasrils (former South African minister)
Giulietto Chiesa (European MP, Italy)
Lucio Manisco (former European MP)
Gianni Vattimo (philosopher and former European MP)
Domenico Losurdo (director of the institute for philosophy, University Urbino, Italy)
Augusto Boal (theatre director, Brazil)
Gretta Duisenberg (chair Foundation Stop the Occupation, Netherlands)
François Houtart (professor emeritus Catholic University Louvain, Belgium)
Tariq Ramadan (professor, Oxford/Erasmus Universities) ...

[NightTrain]

You beat me to it .. I'd just dug out that same 'About Us' comment myself, when I saw your post.

But never mind. When Jafar finds them, they're 'not' hate sites ... amazingly enough ...

One of those 'honorary advisers' the page refers to (... as it describes him ...) cited a contributor I've heard of before. Doing a little bit of digging ... I confirmed my suspicion. See this, on 'Lord Nazir Ahmed', of Rotherham ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazir_Ahmed,_Baron_Ahmed

'No bias there, then', eh, Jafar .. ?:laugh:

Yeah, I noticed that when I was digging around on that site. There were multiple persons in the House of Lords on staff... I was kind of surprised to see it.

[namvet]

Did you seriously just connect Hamas with Iran and Hezbollah?

did you seriously forget the connection???

[aboutime]

did you seriously forget the connection???



namvet. jafar, and his propaganda program also try to use the trick of "Intentionally Not Mentioning" anything that might make their lies more questionable.

Like our Liberal, Democrat politicians who intentionally avoid, or skirt around the truth to avoid being accused.

[jafar00]

did you seriously forget the connection???

There has been a Sunni vs Shia split for years. Especially now since Hezbollah is in Syria fighting for the dictator Bashar Al Assad against Sunnis. I think now more than ever, they would be worse enemies.

[Gaffer]

Years ago the muslim brotherhood put out a fatwa saying it was okay for sunni and shite to work together in destroy Israel. And so iran is sending missiles and equipment to hamas. It's really not hard to understand.

[Drummond]

Yeah, I noticed that when I was digging around on that site. There were multiple persons in the House of Lords on staff... I was kind of surprised to see it.

I wish I was !! The extent to which our political system is riddled with Left-wing types, people who delight in finding excuses to support anti-Israel causes, would also probably surprise you greatly.

Denis Healey comes to mind, for example. He became a Lord ... served in Harold Wilson's Government (1960's onwards), becoming our Chancellor of the Exchequer. In his early life he was a Communist (late 1930's).

He supported Tony Blair, but later turned against him for typically Left-wing reasons. Blair was too Right-wing for him.

You're 'enjoying' the spectacle of Obama's Leftieism, but for us in the UK, this sort of politician is generations-old. So, yes, you'll get British troublemakers EVEN from the Lords doing their damndest to skew things their way. 'Fingers in every pie' types.

[aboutime]

http://icansayit.com/images/ARAFAT.JPG I am an award winner like Obama. HAMAS....Can you hear me?

Do as I told you before I became your MARTYR, and TOP cesspool instructor.http://icansayit.com/images/ARAFAT.JPG

[NightTrain]

Is it your contention that the Israelis have not violated the truce and other truces that came before it?

Yes.

That is my contention.

Show me where Israel was the first to violate a truce.

Tread carefully, Jafar. You're in danger of making a fool of yourself again.

The interwebs are your friend. Use them.

[aboutime]

Yes.

That is my contention.

Show me where Israel was the first to violate a truce.

Tread carefully, Jafar. You're in danger of making a fool of yourself again.

The interwebs are your friend. Use them.
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NightTrain. We must remember WHERE, and WHAT jafar's sources are.

We have no need to CLAIM, or CONTEND anything jafar insists.

His sources are equal, or mirror our Democrat (DNC) sources that are intentionally repeated,
and repeated so often. Those who quote the LIES...they call facts. Actually are convinced, and
ignorant enough to believe their LIES are TRUE.
s
So. Every time jafar comes here to INSIST the Israeli's are as terrible as he insists.
That is their known technique of replacing Palestinian/Hamas members with the word "Israeli".

Jafar, and Hamas actually do believe....ALL OF US are just going to drop everything, and fall for
their lies because...THEY THINK WE ARE THREATENED like the Palestinians who so foolishly OBEY Hamas, and remain in their homes as HUMAN SHIELDS.

[jafar00]

Years ago the muslim brotherhood put out a fatwa saying it was okay for sunni and shite to work together in destroy Israel. And so iran is sending missiles and equipment to hamas. It's really not hard to understand.

I find it hard to believe that Hamas would work together with Iran while they hang people just for being Sunni.

[namvet]

I find it hard to believe that Hamas would work together with Iran while they hang people just for being Sunni.

where do think they get their guns walmart???

[aboutime]

where do think they get their guns walmart???


namvet. Once again. That tactic used by jafar is merely more of the same-old propaganda.

He doesn't know how to tell the truth.

[namvet]

namvet. Once again. That tactic used by jafar is merely more of the same-old propaganda.

He doesn't know how to tell the truth.

yeah I know. but its fun to be mean :laugh:

[aboutime]

yeah I know. but its fun to be mean :laugh:



namvet. CORRECT! And, in this case with jafar. Being mean is the same as telling the Truth!:laugh::laugh:

[Drummond]

I find it hard to believe that Hamas would work together with Iran while they hang people just for being Sunni.

I wonder why I'm bothering ... isn't this well known ?

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-celebrates-use-of-rockets-supplied-to-hamas/


Iranian military leaders on Monday celebrated Hamas’ use of advanced long-range rockets that were supplied to the terror group by the Iranian regime.
Iran’s role in arming Hamas militants with more sophisticated artillery capable of reaching deep into Israel has fueled concerns among lawmakers that U.S. negotiators are not doing enough to address Iran’s support for terror during ongoing nuclear discussions.

Israeli and United Nations officials have confirmed that Hamas is firing rockets on civilians provided to it by Iran.

A Senior Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) general praised Hamas’ rocket attacks on Monday and warned that between Hamas and other Iranian-backed terror groups, “all Zionists are within the range of the resistance’s missiles.”

“The defense capacity and capabilities of the Islamic resistance and Hamas forces has left no safe place for the Zionists in the occupied territories,” General Ramezan Sharif, head of the IRGC’s public relations department, said in public remarks Monday.

Palestinian terror groups, including Hamas and other Iranian-backed groups, are well armed and can strike Jewish civilians inside and outside of Israel, Sharif said.

“The quality and trend of action of the Palestinian resistance movement in recent days indicates that the defensive and offensive power of Hamas, Ezzedin Al-Qassam, and Quds brigades forces have increased so much that one can dare say that all Zionists are within the range of the resistance’s missiles,” Sharif was quoted as saying by Iran’s semi-official Fars News Agency.

The Quds brigades are an elite Iranian force that trains terrorists, including Hezbollah, and is responsible for waging terror attacks across the Middle East against Western targets.

Iran’s arming of Hamas is beginning to receive attention at the highest levels of the U.S. government as the terror group continues to barrage Israel with more sophisticated rockets aimed at Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and even the northern city of Haifa.

House lawmakers explicitly referenced Iran’s role in the conflict in a recent resolution supporting Israel’s right to self-defense.

[Daniyel]

I find it hard to believe that Hamas would work together with Iran while they hang people just for being Sunni.
But of course having mutual enemy brings the good in each other..I already posted about the Fajr-5/Shipments.

[jimnyc]

Did you seriously just connect Hamas with Iran and Hezbollah?

When it comes to fighting the Jewish - Islamic terror groups stand on the same side.

Gaza 'resistance' will defeat Israel: Hezbollah chief

Beirut (AFP) - Lebanon's Hezbollah is backing the Palestinian "resistance" in Gaza to defeat Israel, the Shiite movement's leader Hassan Nasrallah said on Monday.

Nasrallah told Hamas' exiled chief Khaled Meshaal by telephone: "Hezbollah and the Lebanese resistance stand firmly on the side of the Intifada and the Palestinian people's resistance, and support Hamas' strategy and the just conditions it has set to end the conflict."

Hamas is demanding Israel end its siege of Gaza and has called for the release of scores of prisoners from Israeli jails before it considers peace talks proposed by Egypt.

Nasrallah, meanwhile, expressed his "complete confidence in the resistance's capacity to defend itself and to achieve a new victory in July", a reference to Israel's failure to crush Hezbollah in its July 2006 offensive against Lebanon.

http://news.yahoo.com/gaza-resistance-defeat-israel-hezbollah-chief-150740925.html;_ylt=AwrBEiHgOc1TSm8AvwfQtDMD

[Kathianne]

When it comes to fighting the Jewish - Islamic terror groups stand on the same side.

Gaza 'resistance' will defeat Israel: Hezbollah chief



Beirut (AFP) - Lebanon's Hezbollah is backing the Palestinian "resistance" in Gaza to defeat Israel, the Shiite movement's leader Hassan Nasrallah said on Monday.

Nasrallah told Hamas' exiled chief Khaled Meshaal by telephone: "Hezbollah and the Lebanese resistance stand firmly on the side of the Intifada and the Palestinian people's resistance, and support Hamas' strategy and the just conditions it has set to end the conflict."

Hamas is demanding Israel end its siege of Gaza and has called for the release of scores of prisoners from Israeli jails before it considers peace talks proposed by Egypt.

Nasrallah, meanwhile, expressed his "complete confidence in the resistance's capacity to defend itself and to achieve a new victory in July", a reference to Israel's failure to crush Hezbollah in its July 2006 offensive against Lebanon.

http://news.yahoo.com/gaza-resistance-defeat-israel-hezbollah-chief-150740925.html;_ylt=AwrBEiHgOc1TSm8AvwfQtDMD

Pretty strait forward, 'allies against common enemy. We'll fight regarding Allah/salvation later.' Yeppers.

[aboutime]

Hezbolla, and Hamas are soon to learn...despite their threats. How "It's not nice to fool with Israel".

The U.N. can make all the demands they like. Obama can pretend he's being honest.

But. Israel, Like the U.S.A., and every other nation. STILL have every right to DEFEND themselves.

No matter WHO anyone thinks they are.

[jimnyc]

Hezbolla, and Hamas are soon to learn...despite their threats. How "It's not nice to fool with Israel".

Did you seriously just connect Hamas with Iran and Hezbollah? :lol::laugh2:

I know, it sounded dumb last time too!!

[aboutime]

Did you seriously just connect Hamas with Iran and Hezbollah? :lol::laugh2:

I know, it sounded dumb last time too!!


Doesn't sound dumb to me jim.:laugh: I'd be happy to repeat it every chance I get..for JAFAR.

[jimnyc]

Did you seriously just connect Hamas with Iran and Hezbollah?

Since you didn't reply to my subsequent reply, I doubt this will get acknowledged either - but others will see through the propaganda and also see that these terror groups get together when it's to fight the jews. One Islamic terror group is no different than the other, and the majority of them are supported in various ways by the worlds Muslims and their leaders. While Hezbollah fights in Syria, the whole world acknowledges both these groups terror ways, and acknowledges that a fear is that they might join in.

And while some talk of how Palestine is cornered and the blockade and all that garbage - WHERE are they getting these weapons from? They can't get food and supplies but magically get weapons? Thank Hezbollah/Iran for that.

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Fears grow other groups may join Hamas fight vs. Israel after Kerry peace effort fails



Hamas rejected Secretary of State John F. Kerry’s call for a cease-fire amid concerns that an agreement won’t be reached before other parties are drawn into its conflict with Israel.

A new jihadi media outlet called Al Fawaris released a video Wednesday calling on Gazans to endure the military operation. Its message said victory looms and that Muslims all over the world support them.

While Hamas is using tactics favored by Hezbollah, the Lebanon-based Islamist group has not shown signs of entering the conflict. Analysts say Hezbollah, which has offered words of support for Hamas, is fully occupied with Syria’s civil war.

“Right now, Hezbollah has way too much invested in the Syrian conflict to provoke an unnecessarily destructive war with Israel,” said Daniel Nisman, president of the Levantine Group, a geopolitical risk and research group based in Tel Aviv.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/23/hezbollah-warring-in-syria-could-join-fight-agains/

[Gaffer]

One of hama's goals is to draw in outside help. That's why they won't have a cease fire and use women and children as shields. Hezbo and iran are busy in syria and iraq and the sunni arabs are busy in iraq. Egypt is busy in Egypt. So hamas has to fight on until the others can have some sort of truce. Tribal squabbles, middle aged mindsets and pure ignorance make it hard to bring people together.

With the current US administration, now is the only time the arabs have to get it together and launch another all out multi-nation attack to try to destroy Israel. Such an attack would see an overwhelming number of democrat fund raisers across the US that the president would need to attend.