View Full Version : Texas crowd kills man after car hit girl
LiberalNation
06-20-2007, 01:17 PM
Now here's a way to over-react.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_on_re_us/crash_assault;_ylt=AoN5KQAqLhTpnvBH3pJwIrBvzwcF
AUSTIN, Texas - An angry crowd beat a man to death after a vehicle he was riding in struck and injured a young girl, police said Wednesday.
Police believe 2,000 to 3,000 people were in the area for a Juneteenth celebration when the attack occurred Tuesday night.
The driver had stopped to check on the little girl at the entrance to an apartment complex when a group of men attacked him, authorities said. The passenger, David Rivas Morales, 40, got out to try to help the driver, but the crowd turned on him, said police Commander Harold Piatt.
Morales was beaten to death by as many as 20 men and left lying in a parking lot, Piatt said. A preliminary autopsy listed blunt force trauma as the cause of death.
The little girl, 3 or 4 years old, was taken to a hospital with non-life threatening injuries.
The driver, who got away from the crowd, is cooperating with investigators, police said.
Piatt did not know how many witnesses had been identified, but thousands of people had been in the area for the daylong festival. He said no guns or knives appeared to have used in the fatal attack.
Juneteenth marks the day Gen. Gordon Granger arrived in Galveston in 1865 to share news of the Emancipation Proclamation, which freed slaves two years earlier on Jan. 1, 1863.
Well that's what you get for hurting a kid in Texas! I love it :)
LiberalNation
06-20-2007, 01:21 PM
It was an accident, the guy wasn't even responsible. He was in the passengers seat, they had no justification for killing him.
Guernicaa
06-20-2007, 01:30 PM
Niiiiiiccccceeeee...
We can only expect this heinous act from fucking retarded/uneducated/right wing southern trash.
...and they try and call Islam bad.
darin
06-20-2007, 01:45 PM
Niiiiiiccccceeeee...
We can only expect this heinous act from fucking retarded/uneducated/right wing southern trash.
...and they try and call Islam bad.
2000 killing 1 person vs. 12 killing 3000.
Your comparisons are fucking retarded and uneducated.
Rahul
06-20-2007, 01:53 PM
Now here's a way to over-react.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_on_re_us/crash_assault;_ylt=AoN5KQAqLhTpnvBH3pJwIrBvzwcF
Overreacting is right. This is just plain stupid. Reminds me of villages in the Third World (and, some of the cities where people have the 'village mentality'); when someone is spotted stealing, for instance, the person who catches the thief decides not to notify the police. Instead, a crowd gathers on the spot and starts to beat the thief up. . .
And this is Austin,TX we are referring to in this case; hardly what one would consider to be a village. . .
Dilloduck
06-20-2007, 02:08 PM
Overreacting is right. This is just plain stupid. Reminds me of villages in the Third World (and, some of the cities where people have the 'village mentality'); when someone is spotted stealing, for instance, the person who catches the thief decides not to notify the police. Instead, a crowd gathers on the spot and starts to beat the thief up. . .
And this is Austin,TX we are referring to in this case; hardly what one would consider to be a village. . .
You ain't seen nothin yet--wait until the real social wars begin.
Hagbard Celine
06-20-2007, 02:17 PM
You ain't seen nothin yet--wait until the real social wars begin.
I'll fly a blue flag right under this one :salute: :finger3:
darin
06-20-2007, 02:30 PM
seeing OTHER Juneteenth "Celebrations" on the news, I wonder if this too was a case of a 'race' of people rioting for no good reason?
Black Lance
06-20-2007, 02:37 PM
You ain't seen nothin yet--wait until the real social wars begin.
Social wars between whom?
I hope that whoever did this is held responsible and prosecuted. I am willing to give a wide berth to a citizens right to self-defense, but there was no self-defense involved here. There was just anger over an accident happening, and anger alone can't be considered a justification for crime.
nevadamedic
06-20-2007, 02:40 PM
Well that's what you get for hurting a kid in Texas! I love it :)
They guys were probably illegal anyways.
nevadamedic
06-20-2007, 02:43 PM
It was an accident, the guy wasn't even responsible. He was in the passengers seat, they had no justification for killing him.
It said the passenger got out to try and help the driver which probably means he got out trying to act like a tough guy and got schooled plain and simple.
Hagbard Celine
06-20-2007, 02:57 PM
It said the passenger got out to try and help the driver which probably means he got out trying to act like a tough guy and got schooled plain and simple.
Bottom line: They didn't deserve to die and the murderers who murdered them should be tried and sent to prison for manslaughter.
Abbey Marie
06-20-2007, 02:58 PM
Niiiiiiccccceeeee...
We can only expect this heinous act from fucking retarded/uneducated/right wing southern trash.
...and they try and call Islam bad.
Wow. Posts like this make you sound extremely bigoted. Juneteenth, the celebration where this occured, is an African American celebration. I'm anxious to see if you want to call the black folks right wing southern trash.
I'll wait...
Abbey Marie
06-20-2007, 03:00 PM
Well that's what you get for hurting a kid in Texas! I love it :)
You're joking, right?
KarlMarx
06-20-2007, 03:12 PM
This is one of three riots that occurred during Juneteenth celebrations, the other two happened in Milwaukee, WI and in Syracuse, New York...
definitely not southern states...
I thought Juneteenth was supposed to be a positive holiday
theHawk
06-20-2007, 03:19 PM
It hardly has to do anything with people from Texas.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/wisn/20070620/lo_wisn/13536976;_ylt=A0geu1LVinlGXbAAugAAAAAA
Milwaukee's Juneteenth Celebration ended in violence after a man was dragged from his car and beaten.
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Milwaukee police said an officer was also hurt while trying to break up a fight during Tuesday's celebration.
Several thousand people attended the festival celebrating the end of slavery.
Things turned violent when the festival came to a close, police said.
Police said a 33-year-old man was hurt when hundreds of teenagers swarmed around traffic in the area of North First and West Chambers streets.
They said people rocked the man's vehicle, smashed the windows, dragged him out of the car, and kicked and hit him.
He was treated at an area hospital for cuts on his face and a broken tooth.
He told police he has no idea why he was targeted.
Now, I'd like to see you yahoos say this is a result of a bunch of dumb right wing rednecks.....
theHawk
06-20-2007, 03:24 PM
Overreacting is right. This is just plain stupid. Reminds me of villages in the Third World (and, some of the cities where people have the 'village mentality'); when someone is spotted stealing, for instance, the person who catches the thief decides not to notify the police. Instead, a crowd gathers on the spot and starts to beat the thief up. . .
And this is Austin,TX we are referring to in this case; hardly what one would consider to be a village. . .
We do have a Third World culture in our society, its called the Hip-hop Thug culture....where walking around acting tough and getting in fights on the street gets you more status.
Guernicaa
06-20-2007, 03:40 PM
We do have a Third World culture in our society, its called the Hip-hop Thug culture....where walking around acting tough and getting in fights on the street gets you more status.
Yeah, sort of like the Italian, Irish, and other European based mafias of the early 20th century.
Guernicaa
06-20-2007, 03:41 PM
It hardly has to do anything with people from Texas.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/wisn/20070620/lo_wisn/13536976;_ylt=A0geu1LVinlGXbAAugAAAAAA
Now, I'd like to see you yahoos say this is a result of a bunch of dumb right wing rednecks.....
They're probably a-political. I take back that part.
But they could very well be red-necks.
Hagbard Celine
06-20-2007, 03:47 PM
We do have a Third World culture in our society, its called the Hip-hop Thug culture....where walking around acting tough and getting in fights on the street gets you more status.
Wild savages...
darin
06-20-2007, 03:50 PM
They're probably a-political. I take back that part.
But they could very well be red-necks.
Even if they were black? :)
theHawk
06-20-2007, 03:50 PM
Yea, rednecks come out of the woodworks to attent these celebrations of the end of slavery all over the country, and start riots and random beatings of people. Your hypocracy has been exposed.
Hagbard Celine
06-20-2007, 04:21 PM
Yea, rednecks come out of the woodworks to attent these celebrations of the end of slavery all over the country, and start riots and random beatings of people. Your hypocracy has been exposed.
If you used the term "redneck" liberally to mean "ignorant people," then these people could be labelled as rednecks regardless of their race. Traditionally though, rednecks are white. :dunno:
Haha, traditional rednecks...I kill myself sometimes :laugh:
Sitarro
06-20-2007, 04:37 PM
If you used the term "redneck" liberally to mean "ignorant people," then these people could be labelled as rednecks regardless of their race. Traditionally though, rednecks are white. :dunno:
Haha, traditional rednecks...I kill myself sometimes :laugh:
If you use the term "Democrat" conservatively to mean "dumbass" or just plain "asses" that will justify stupidity such as blacks rioting just for the hell of it and gang murdering in the most liberal southern city in the United States, then these animals could be labeled Democrat regardless of race. Traditionally though, Democrats are just guilt ridden white clowns and self serving minorities.
Haha, traditional Democrat asses(get it? The Dem symbol is an ass).....I kill myself sometimes:laugh2:
Abbey Marie
06-20-2007, 04:43 PM
They're probably a-political. I take back that part.
But they could very well be red-necks.
Taking it back because you were proven wrong does not change the fact that you showed yourself to be what you accuse Republicans, conservatives and Christians of being- bigoted and prejudiced.
Would you like to apologoize to white conservatives, or do we need Al Sharpton to cone on and demand an apology? :poke:
Dilloduck
06-20-2007, 05:27 PM
If you used the term "redneck" liberally to mean "ignorant people," then these people could be labelled as rednecks regardless of their race. Traditionally though, rednecks are white. :dunno:
Haha, traditional rednecks...I kill myself sometimes :laugh:
C'mon down and call all the blacks who killed a hispanic "rednecks"--I wanna watch. You're talking about the most liberal town in Texas, fool. You might wanna chat with all the rest of the blacks who stood around and watched too.
Hagbard Celine
06-20-2007, 05:44 PM
C'mon down and call all the blacks who killed a hispanic "rednecks"--I wanna watch. You're talking about the most liberal town in Texas, fool. You might wanna chat with all the rest of the blacks who stood around and watched too.
Where did the hostility come from? Fool? I don't give a sh*t about you or Texas so shove your attitude up your ass. Since when does making a light-hearted play on words equate to being a fool? Try this one on: Asshat.
Hagbard Celine
06-20-2007, 05:45 PM
If you use the term "Democrat" conservatively to mean "dumbass" or just plain "asses" that will justify stupidity such as blacks rioting just for the hell of it and gang murdering in the most liberal southern city in the United States, then these animals could be labeled Democrat regardless of race. Traditionally though, Democrats are just guilt ridden white clowns and self serving minorities.
Haha, traditional Democrat asses(get it? The Dem symbol is an ass).....I kill myself sometimes:laugh2:
Not sure what any of this has to do with Democrats :dunno: Nice non-sequitor.
Guernicaa
06-20-2007, 05:46 PM
Yea, rednecks come out of the woodworks to attent these celebrations of the end of slavery all over the country, and start riots and random beatings of people. Your hypocracy has been exposed.
No, my hypocracy has not been exposed.
Were you trying to say hypocrisy?
Dilloduck
06-20-2007, 05:53 PM
Where did the hostility come from? Fool? I don't give a sh*t about you or Texas so shove your attitude up your ass. Since when does making a light-hearted play on words equate to being a fool? Try this one on: Asshat.
Your "light-hearted" play on words was a bigoted slur on who you call "rednecks" who had absolutely nothing with a violent crowd of blacks killing an hispanic. Odd--none of the 3,000 other blacks there have any idea who did it so they are requested any info to be reported to crime-stoppers.
Guernicaa
06-20-2007, 05:55 PM
Taking it back because you were proven wrong does not change the fact that you showed yourself to be what you accuse Republicans, conservatives and Christians of being- bigoted and prejudiced.
Would you like to apologoize to white conservatives, or do we need Al Sharpton to cone on and demand an apology? :poke:
Actually, I hate Al, and Jesse, and the fact that they continue to try and rally people against innocent white people.
I do not consider them "holy", "liberal", or "conservative"... I consider them racist shit heads that need to remove themselves from public debate.
They are not smart enough to properly filter out the real racists from the innocents. IMO, the stripper needs to be jailed, Twana Brawley needs to be jailed, and Rainbow-Push should be sued.
The cases they get involved with usually have no evidence against the accused, and are always a white on black situation.
As of my knowledge, they have not ever rallied for an Asian, Hispanic, or any other race that's not black.
This is not to be confused with todays born-agains, who make their hatred very evident and seem to be proud of it.
Like Franklin Graham and now deceased Jerry Fallwell and their millions of followers.
Dilloduck
06-20-2007, 05:57 PM
Actually, I hate Al, and Jesse, and the fact that they continue to try and rally people against innocent white people.
I do not consider them "holy", "liberal", or "conservative"... I consider them racist shit heads that need to remove themselves from public debate.
They are not smart enough to properly filter out the real racists from the innocents. IMO, the stripper needs to be jailed, Twana Brawley needs to be jailed, and Rainbow-Push should be sued.
The cases they get involved with usually have no evidence against the accused, and are always a white on black situation.
As of my knowledge, they have not ever rallied for an Asian, Hispanic, or any other race that's not black.
This is not to be confused with todays born-agains, who make their hatred very evident and seem to be proud of it.
Like Franklin Graham and now deceased Jerry Fallwell and their millions of followers.
Name one town in America that had a Christian riot.
Nukeman
06-20-2007, 06:49 PM
Wow. Posts like this make you sound extremely bigoted. Juneteenth, the celebration where this occured, is an African American celebration. I'm anxious to see if you want to call the black folks right wing southern trash.
I'll wait...
I was thinking along the same lines. You willnotice that no mention of the killers color is noted. I will say that if it was a group of whites than this would already have been all over the news as a hate crime against hispanics.
Obama you are such a worthless tool. I hope this comes out to show your worthy minorities are the ones that caused this.. You bigoted moron...
Dilloduck
06-20-2007, 07:29 PM
I was thinking along the same lines. You willnotice that no mention of the killers color is noted. I will say that if it was a group of whites than this would already have been all over the news as a hate crime against hispanics.
Obama you are such a worthless tool. I hope this comes out to show your worthy minorities are the ones that caused this.. You bigoted moron...
You have any doubts? Being an Austinite I can personally guarantee you that there was not a crowd of 3,000 whites in East Austin. The perps are reported to be black but no one who stood by watching is going to snitch. Besides, they're all busy complaining how shitty the police treat them. Great folks. :laugh2:
Hugh Lincoln
06-20-2007, 07:34 PM
Niiiiiiccccceeeee...
We can only expect this heinous act from fucking retarded/uneducated/right wing southern trash.
...and they try and call Islam bad.
Actually, this was a Juneteenth celebration, and everyone there was black.
Dilloduck
06-20-2007, 07:39 PM
Actually, this was a Juneteenth celebration, and everyone there was black.
Actually there are a few hispanics who live there too. We're holding our breath that they don't decide to retaliate. Most likely the police will be sued again for not providing adequate security.
Trigg
06-20-2007, 08:12 PM
Actually, I hate Al, and Jesse, and the fact that they continue to try and rally people against innocent white people.
I do not consider them "holy", "liberal", or "conservative"... I consider them racist shit heads that need to remove themselves from public debate.
They are not smart enough to properly filter out the real racists from the innocents. IMO, the stripper needs to be jailed, Twana Brawley needs to be jailed, and Rainbow-Push should be sued.
The cases they get involved with usually have no evidence against the accused, and are always a white on black situation.
As of my knowledge, they have not ever rallied for an Asian, Hispanic, or any other race that's not black.
This is not to be confused with todays born-agains, who make their hatred very evident and seem to be proud of it.
Like Franklin Graham and now deceased Jerry Fallwell and their millions of followers.
And what are you exactly???
You start this thread with the stupid redneck remark and when you are informed that Juneteenth is a black celebration do you appologize like an adult??? NO!!
As for Jackson and Al they are racists, I completely agree. They are also very proud of their hatred, and they encourage blacks to have a pack mentality whenever dealing with "preceived" injustice.
You would come up a little in my oppinion of you if you would have the guts to appologize to all the innocent white Texans you condemed in your first post. :texflag:
nevadamedic
06-20-2007, 08:18 PM
Name one town in America that had a Christian riot.
Birmingham
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/riots.lead.to.call.for.faith.groups.to.work.togeth er/4372.htm
Dilloduck
06-20-2007, 08:27 PM
Birmingham
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/riots.lead.to.call.for.faith.groups.to.work.togeth er/4372.htm
:rolleyes:
5stringJeff
06-20-2007, 08:27 PM
They're probably a-political. I take back that part.
But they could very well be red-necks.
Juneteenth, the celebration of the announcement of the end of slavery, is celebrated almost exclusively by blacks. So odds are that the mob that beat this guy to death was black, not white.
Good try, though. :rolleyes:
Trigg
06-20-2007, 08:30 PM
They're probably a-political. I take back that part.
But they could very well be red-necks.
Watch this video. The beating was outside the Booker T Washington appartments. This was a black on hispanic attack.
http://keyetv.com/local/local_story_171110715.html
CBS 42) AUSTIN Austin police are investigating the death of a man attacked by a crowd in East Austin Tuesday night.
Police said at 9:31 p.m. Tuesday patrol officers responded to a “person down” call at 900 Thompson Street (map). There they found David Rivas Morales, 40, who had suffered trauma to his body. He was transported to a hospital and pronounced dead.
Police say preliminary investigation indicates that Morales was a passenger in a car that may have hit a small child in the parking lot of 900 Thompson Street. Immediately after the accident, somebody assaulted the driver of the car that struck the child. The child was taken to a hospital with non-life threatening injuries.
Witnesses said several black males assaulted Morales when he stepped out of the vehicle to try and stop the crowd from assaulting the driver of the car he was in. Police believe there were 2,000 to 3,000 people in the area when the driver and Morales were attacked.
The area is near Rosewood Park, where Juneteenth festivities were taking place Tuesday night.
The driver was able to leave the area in his car. Police recovered the vehicle and the driver is cooperating with Homicide detectives.
Detectives are asking anyone who may have witnessed this incident or who may have information to call the Homicide tip line at (512) 477-3588 or Crime Stoppers at (512) 472-8477. Crime Stoppers will pay up to $1000 for information.
This case remains under investigation by Homicide detectives. This was the 11th murder of 2007 in Austin[/B][/B]
It was an accident, the guy wasn't even responsible. He was in the passengers seat, they had no justification for killing him.
Your article has errors, it was the driver who died, and the passenger who got killed. Check your article again.
We do have a Third World culture in our society, its called the Hip-hop Thug culture....where walking around acting tough and getting in fights on the street gets you more status.
not sure I would even call it culture, but get your drift
It said the passenger got out to try and help the driver which probably means he got out trying to act like a tough guy and got schooled plain and simple.
The driver died.
And buddy, if you think helping your friend out in a fuck all like that is trying to act like a "tough" guy like it is a bad thing, hope I am never in a jam with you...
Dilloduck
06-20-2007, 08:59 PM
The driver died.
And buddy, if you think helping your friend out in a fuck all like that is trying to act like a "tough" guy like it is a bad thing, hope I am never in a jam with you...
Check Triggs post---passenger got the beaten to death while trying to protect the driver who got away and is cooperating with the police. I hesistate to drive through that part of town in the daytime. Whores and crackheads.
Gunny
06-20-2007, 09:00 PM
Check Triggs post---passenger got the beaten to death while trying to protect the driver who got away and is cooperating with the police. I hesistate to drive through that part of town in the daytime. Whores and crackheads.
Hell, I hesitate to drive through Austin period what with all the loony-left college kids running amock.
avatar4321
06-20-2007, 09:02 PM
This is an absolutely disgusting incident. And whats more outrageous is you race baiters pretending as though some "white trash" group of people was responsible when you know otherwise.
This is what liberalism does to people. it divides them into groups and makes them hate. This is what liberalism does when taken to its logical conclusion.
Check Triggs post---passenger got the beaten to death while trying to protect the driver who got away and is cooperating with the police. I hesistate to drive through that part of town in the daytime. Whores and crackheads.
Ok. I swear the article I read at lunch said it was the driver who got killed. Maybe they did not have the facts right yet, too fluid.
I stand corrected, thanks.
Edit:
but i stand by:
And buddy, if you think helping your friend out in a fuck all like that is trying to act like a "tough" guy like it is a bad thing, hope I am never in a jam with you...
Dilloduck
06-20-2007, 09:10 PM
Ok. I swear the article I read at lunch said it was the driver who got killed. Maybe they did not have the facts right yet, too fluid.
I stand corrected, thanks.
Edit:
but i stand by:
And buddy, if you think helping your friend out in a fuck all like that is trying to act like a "tough" guy like it is a bad thing, hope I am never in a jam with you...
The driver was insane to get out of his car i that situation but I'm sure it was instinctual to try to help the girl. I gotta admit that I would try to help a buddy who was getting the crap beaten out of him tho.
Trigg
06-20-2007, 09:15 PM
but i stand by:
And buddy, if you think helping your friend out in a fuck all like that is trying to act like a "tough" guy like it is a bad thing, hope I am never in a jam with you...
I commend the guy for getting out to help, you gotta have your friends back in these kinds of situations.
manu1959
06-20-2007, 09:19 PM
Niiiiiiccccceeeee...
We can only expect this heinous act from fucking retarded/uneducated/right wing southern trash.
...and they try and call Islam bad.
so a gang of black folk beat a latin dude to death.......hundred says they were muslim...
Dilloduck
06-20-2007, 09:21 PM
so a gang of black folk beat a latin dude to death.......hundred says they were muslim...
Katrina evacuees would be a much better bet.
manu1959
06-20-2007, 09:25 PM
Katrina evacuees would be a much better bet.
same difference.....
doubt it was a bunch of southern white dudes celebrating juneteenth
The driver was insane to get out of his car i that situation but I'm sure it was instinctual to try to help the girl. I gotta admit that I would try to help a buddy who was getting the crap beaten out of him tho.
So is it reasonable to expect to have mob kill you for checking on the girl? I would think they would be more likely to if you just left.
The passenger though was not acting like a "tough guy" and did not get what he deserved. We have no idea what he tried to do. Maybe he had no choice but to get out. I am not sure I could have stayed inside and just "watched" the situation. That mob could just as easily break the windows and get to him, staying in the car is no refuge.
Dilloduck
06-20-2007, 09:34 PM
So is it reasonable to expect to have mob kill you for checking on the girl? I would think they would be more likely to if you just left.
The passenger though was not acting like a "tough guy" and did not get what he deserved. We have no idea what he tried to do. Maybe he had no choice but to get out. I am not sure I could have stayed inside and just "watched" the situation. That mob could just as easily break the windows and get to him, staying in the car is no refuge.
There's no reason in a crowd of 3,000 partying blacks. Even a black can tell you that. Black neighborhood-------wrong place. Night time of Juneteenth---wrong time. We have a new Hispanic police chief coming in----he was there during the DAYTIME--smart guy ( but good luck dealing with this crap)
avatar4321
06-20-2007, 09:49 PM
I commend the guy for getting out to help, you gotta have your friends back in these kinds of situations.
I agree. if your friends wont help you, who will?
I would think it was an honor to die protecting a friend.
There's no reason in a crowd of 3,000 partying blacks. Even a black can tell you that. Black neighborhood-------wrng place. Night time of Juneteenth---wrong time. We have a new Hispanic police chief coming in----he was there during the DAYTIME--smart guy ( but good luck dealing with this crap)
So you would have sat in the car?
manu1959
06-20-2007, 09:58 PM
So you would have sat in the car?
nope would have floored it and taken them all out...
Dilloduck
06-20-2007, 09:58 PM
So you would have sat in the car?
I would NEVER had driven there.
Dilloduck
06-20-2007, 10:10 PM
I would NEVER had driven there.
My mistake--his family lived there ( and are now asking for the death penalty ). It was reported that Mexicans who lived there were told they should be there because Juneteenth "wasn't for them". No worries--the ACLU, NAACP and LULAC are all here trying to keep the peace and blaming the police already. Gotta love it.
nope would have floored it and taken them all out...
And leave your wingman?
1000 + strong was the mob number
Rahul
06-20-2007, 11:33 PM
You ain't seen nothin yet--wait until the real social wars begin.
Between whom? Not sure what you are saying. . .
We do have a Third World culture in our society, its called the Hip-hop Thug culture....where walking around acting tough and getting in fights on the street gets you more status.
Well, I don't think this public beating has anythign to do with "hip hop culture" (by the way, you are referring to GHETTO culture, not necessarily hip-hop culture). There is a difference.
It hardly has to do anything with people from Texas.
Now, I'd like to see you yahoos say this is a result of a bunch of dumb right wing rednecks.....
While I wouldn't use that term specifically, there are ignorant people ALL over the world, from ALL races. Making this out to be a race issue is silly.
Sitarro
06-20-2007, 11:36 PM
Not sure what any of this has to do with Democrats :dunno: Nice non-sequitor.
Is this the term you meant?
Main Entry: non se·qui·tur
Pronunciation: 'nän-'se-kw&-t&r also -"tur
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, it does not follow
1 : an inference that does not follow from the premises; specifically : a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent
2 : a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said
Abbey Marie
06-21-2007, 12:08 AM
Check Triggs post---passenger got the beaten to death while trying to protect the driver who got away and is cooperating with the police. I hesistate to drive through that part of town in the daytime. Whores and crackheads.
Funny, those are two things libs are always calling for us to legalize- drugs and prostitution.
nevadamedic
06-21-2007, 12:22 AM
Funny, those are two things libs are always calling for us to legalize- drugs and prostitution.
Unfortunatly prostitution is legal here in Nevada in a couple counties. It seems like polititians on both side really support it because the brothel owners donate a ton of money to Campaigns and PAC's. It seems when they see or smell money their loyalties and morals go out the window.
Rahul
06-21-2007, 03:19 AM
Funny, those are two things libs are always calling for us to legalize- drugs and prostitution.
What is wrong with legalizing prostitution?
Rahul
06-21-2007, 03:21 AM
Unfortunatly prostitution is legal here in Nevada in a couple counties. It seems like polititians on both side really support it because the brothel owners donate a ton of money to Campaigns and PAC's. It seems when they see or smell money their loyalties and morals go out the window.
And, the girls are safe, have the right to tell their clients to use protection, and aren't operating on the edge of the law. . .
Doesn't go down well with them pseudo morals, does it now? ;)
Abbey Marie
06-21-2007, 07:26 AM
What is wrong with legalizing prostitution?
I rest my case.
Rahul
06-21-2007, 01:13 PM
I rest my case.
You have evaded the question. What is wrong with legalizing prostitution?
Hagbard Celine
06-21-2007, 01:17 PM
Is this the term you meant?
Main Entry: non se·qui·tur
Pronunciation: 'nän-'se-kw&-t&r also -"tur
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, it does not follow
1 : an inference that does not follow from the premises; specifically : a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent
2 : a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said
Way to miss the entire point and get hung-up on a one-letter spelling error :clap: You really caught me that time! Kudos! Imagine the chances that I'd miss spell the one vocabulary word you actually know! What are the odds? :rolleyes:
manu1959
06-21-2007, 01:18 PM
You have evaded the question. What is wrong with legalizing prostitution?
what is right about leagizing prositiuion....it is legal in amserdam move there....hell your country doesn't even allow sex toys....what is wrong with legalizing sex toys....
gabosaurus
06-21-2007, 01:25 PM
Your comparisons are fucking retarded and uneducated.
The pot calls the kettle black. Again.
The pot calls the kettle black. Again.
You have pot on the brain a lot lately...
Abbey Marie
06-21-2007, 02:03 PM
what is right about leagizing prositiuion....it is legal in amserdam move there....hell your country doesn't even allow sex toys....what is wrong with legalizing sex toys....
And I believe they were thinking of prosecuting one of their film stars for "being kissed" by Richard Gere. My, my, how does Rahul stand living in such a repressive country?
It was an accident, the guy wasn't even responsible. He was in the passengers seat, they had no justification for killing him.
If this was in Austin TX there's a good chance the dude was a homo (Austin has the highest percentage of homo's and libs in Texas) - and him helping the guy who hit the girl was the only excuse Texans needed to purge him :D
Hagbard Celine
06-21-2007, 02:28 PM
Let me see if I have the facts straight on this case: Guy accidentally hits girl. Guy gets out of car to see if girl is alright--she is. Mob kills guy. Passenger gets out to help guy getting beaten to death. Passenger deemed a homo. Mob goes free?
Let me see if I have the facts straight on this case: Guy accidentally hits girl. Guy gets out of car to see if girl is alright--she is. Mob kills guy. Passenger gets out to help guy getting beaten to death. Passenger deemed a homo. Mob goes free?
I said he "COULD HAVE BEEN" not that he 'was one".... :D
gabosaurus
06-21-2007, 03:12 PM
From the outraged reaction of many DP members, I am guessing that the crowd was black and the guy killed was white. That's how it usually works.
From the outraged reaction of many DP members, I am guessing that the crowd was black and the guy killed was white. That's how it usually works.
you are dense, the victim was hispanic... go crawl back under your rock
theHawk
06-21-2007, 03:46 PM
From the outraged reaction of many DP members, I am guessing that the crowd was black and the guy killed was white. That's how it usually works.
Did IQs within the liberal community plummet since the last Dimocratic primary debate?
First the dimwits are assuming this was done by rednecks in Austin, now they assume someone with the name of David Rivas Morales is white.
I would hope if people are going to come onto a message board to debate politics, they'd at least have an IQ higher than 70.
avatar4321
06-21-2007, 08:16 PM
Did IQs within the liberal community plummet since the last Dimocratic primary debate?
First the dimwits are assuming this was done by rednecks in Austin, now they assume someone with the name of David Rivas Morales is white.
I would hope if people are going to come onto a message board to debate politics, they'd at least have an IQ higher than 70.
I agree.. but then youd also expect her to actually read to. that might be too great an expectation for people.
Rahul
06-22-2007, 12:13 AM
And I believe they were thinking of prosecuting one of their film stars for "being kissed" by Richard Gere. My, my, how does Rahul stand living in such a repressive country?
Are you referring to the Shilpa Shetty issue?
If so, then let me advise you on a couple of things.
1. The idiots were wanting to (and filed a case, I think) against Gere, not Shetty.
2. I don't agree with this action at all, and find it to be highly hypocritical. Perhaps you could stop and ask me how I feel about a a certain issue before jumping to conclusions.
what is right about leagizing prositiuion....
I cited some benefits. Do you disagree with them?
it is legal in amserdam move there....hell your country doesn't even allow sex toys....what is wrong with legalizing sex toys....
My current country of residence really has nothing to do with this issue, or how I feel about prostitution. . .
nevadamedic
06-22-2007, 01:10 AM
I agree.. but then youd also expect her to actually read to. that might be too great an expectation for people.
:laugh2:
Pale Rider
06-22-2007, 02:19 AM
Niiiiiiccccceeeee...
We can only expect this heinous act from fucking retarded/uneducated/right wing southern trash.
...and they try and call Islam bad.
"Juneteenth" is a BLACK CELEBRATION moron. It's was blacks beating a man to death at one of their "get togethers." Blacks are violent by nature, but I'm a racist for saying it.
Pale Rider
06-22-2007, 02:34 AM
You have any doubts? Being an Austinite I can personally guarantee you that there was not a crowd of 3,000 whites in East Austin. The perps are reported to be black but no one who stood by watching is going to snitch. Besides, they're all busy complaining how shitty the police treat them. Great folks. :laugh2:
Exactly... how dare whitey the police man try and break them up while they're beating someone to death. Racist mutha fuckin' honkey crackas.
Pale Rider
06-22-2007, 02:52 AM
From the outraged reaction of many DP members, I am guessing that the crowd was black and the guy killed was white. That's how it usually works.
Just where in the hell do you get this stuff? Unfreakin' believable. We haven't had a toilet nugget like you for a LOOOOOONG time. Hopefully we won't again for a LOOOOOONG time.
I tell ya what... if I had any idea where you worked, I'd contact them, and show them what you say on this board. I'd like to see their reactions, since you "claim" you're a "counselor." Right now, I highly doubt that. I think you're a liar. No one as fucked up as you should be allowed anywhere near a youngster in need of counseling. You're a fucking disease.
5stringJeff
06-22-2007, 06:08 PM
I notice that ever since we all pointed out that blacks, not whites, killed this guy, Obama has quit posting in the thread.
I notice that ever since we all pointed out that blacks, not whites, killed this guy, Obama has quit posting in the thread.
or any liberal moonbats for that matter ;)
Pale Rider
06-22-2007, 07:02 PM
I notice that ever since we all pointed out that blacks, not whites, killed this guy, Obama has quit posting in the thread.
Because it's the obamas and the rest of his moonbat liberal brethren that refuse to recognize the double standard in our society for blacks. Only whites can be racists in the liberal's eyes, not blacks. They're never racist.
Niiiiiiccccceeeee...
We can only expect this heinous act from fucking retarded/uneducated/right wing southern trash.
...and they try and call Islam bad.
Osama mocks what he's incapable of understanding, he mocks out of jealousy.
when someone is spotted stealing, for instance, the person who catches the thief decides not to notify the police. Instead, a crowd gathers on the spot and starts to beat the thief up. . .
And the problem with frontier justice is?
Old school is the best school.
Yeah, sort of like the Italian, Irish, and other European based mafias of the early 20th century.
Wrong, again no understanding, just spouting.
*yawn*
What is wrong with legalizing prostitution?
Nothing unless you live in India where they pimp out 6 year old girls. You dotheads have the morals of a toilet seat all living filthy in 14,000,000 person slums and shit, pimping out little girls.
Guernicaa
06-22-2007, 07:14 PM
Wrong, again no understanding, just spouting.
*yawn*
lolololololololol....Thats right..I'm wrong...
Al Capone sucha nice man!
lolololololololol....Thats right..I'm wrong...
Al Capone sucha nice man!
Correct, you are wrong. No understanding of the underlying dynamics.
Al Capone....LMFAO!
Lol Osama you gotta have a rep power higher than zero for it to be effective.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
What a freakin gomer!
nevadamedic
06-22-2007, 07:23 PM
Lol Osama you gotta have a rep power higher than zero for it to be effective.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
What a freakin gomer!
I think he believes it's the tought that counts :laugh2:
Lol Osama you gotta have a rep power higher than zero for it to be effective.:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:
What a freakin gomer!
:laugh:
Trigg
06-22-2007, 07:47 PM
lolololololololol....Thats right..I'm wrong...
Al Capone sucha nice man!
Nice to see you come back to the thread. NOW how about admitting you were wrong about the "racist, rednecks" you accused of beating up the hispanic??????????????????????????????????????
Did ya see the news article discribing the black perpetrators they are looking for????????????????????????????????
Page 3
Come on be a man and admit it.
Nice to see you come back to the thread. NOW how about admitting you were wrong about the "racist, rednecks" you accused of beating up the hispanic??????????????????????????????????????
Did ya see the news article discribing the black perpetrators they are looking for????????????????????????????????
Page 3
Come on be a man and admit it.
Obama:
Me at PRIDE 2006 in NYC.
http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/6906/2453399270100084141S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2453399270100084141PEYJUl)
Trigg
06-22-2007, 07:59 PM
Obama:
Me at PRIDE 2006 in NYC.
http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/6906/2453399270100084141S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2453399270100084141PEYJUl)
Ok........well.................
Obama come on be an It and admit you were wrong.
*how's that Yurt*
Nice to see you come back to the thread. NOW how about admitting you were wrong about the "racist, rednecks" you accused of beating up the hispanic??????????????????????????????????????
Did ya see the news article discribing the black perpetrators they are looking for????????????????????????????????
Page 3
Come on be a man and admit it.
Osama has no honour and is not a man, he will never admit fault.
Rahul
06-23-2007, 12:18 AM
And the problem with frontier justice is?
Old school is the best school.
I disagree. We are civilized human beings, not animals living in a forest or pirates on a boat in the ocean.
Nothing unless you live in India where they pimp out 6 year old girls. You dotheads have the morals of a toilet seat all living filthy in 14,000,000 person slums and shit, pimping out little girls.
I am unsure as to why you keep induling in name calling. Insults say more about yourself than the person you are insulting.
Nice dodge, regardless. Why is wrong to legalize prostitution in the US?
nevadamedic
06-23-2007, 01:00 AM
Osama has no honour and is not a man, he will never admit fault.
:laugh2:
I am unsure as to why you keep induling in name calling. Insults say more about yourself than the person you are insulting.
Nice dodge, regardless. Why is wrong to legalize prostitution in the US?
No, actually I nail you on the head everytime I rip you up, being that you are Indian says alot about your morals or lack thereof.
Prostitution victimizes...but being Indian where they pimp out children and its cool you wouldn't understand this. Don't give me any shit about prostitution being regulated either, i'm against government regulating anything.
Keep prostitution illegal, unless Rajiv you cannot get any other pussy?
Gunny
06-23-2007, 09:15 AM
No, actually I nail you on the head everytime I rip you up, being that you are Indian says alot about your morals or lack thereof.
Prostitution victimizes...but being Indian where they pimp out children and its cool you wouldn't understand this. Don't give me any shit about prostitution being regulated either, i'm against government regulating anything.
Keep prostitution illegal, unless Rajiv you cannot get any other pussy?
Have you seen the way they dress? Three bedsheets minimum. Who'd want it, if it could be found?:laugh2:
Rahul
06-23-2007, 11:18 AM
No, actually I nail you on the head everytime I rip you up, being that you are Indian says alot about your morals or lack thereof.
My morals are intact and I am not the one insulting otheres.
Prostitution victimizes...but being Indian where they pimp out children and its cool you wouldn't understand this.
You haven't substantiated that.
Don't give me any shit about prostitution being regulated either, i'm against government regulating anything.
What is wrong with prostituion being regulated? I gave you a list of whats good. Will you challenge that?
Keep prostitution illegal, unless Rajiv you cannot get any other pussy?
Personal remarks are not required. I am not Rajiv. Why should prostitution not be legalized in the US?
Gunny
06-23-2007, 11:20 AM
My morals are intact and I am not the one insulting otheres.
You haven't substantiated that.
What is wrong with prostituion being regulated? I gave you a list of whats good. Will you challenge that?
Personal remarks are not required. I am not Rajiv. Why should prostitution not be legalized in the US?
Wah.:rolleyes:
My morals are intact and I am not the one insulting otheres.
You haven't substantiated that.
What is wrong with prostituion being regulated? I gave you a list of whats good. Will you challenge that?
Personal remarks are not required. I am not Rajiv. Why should prostitution not be legalized in the US?
Holy fuck you asked I answered, don't like the answer don't read!
Personal remarks will come whenever I feel like it, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.
You need evidence of prostitutes being victimized? Are you kidding?
A survey conducted by Indian Health Organization of a red light area of Bombay shows:-
1. 20% of the one lakh prostitutes are children.
2. 25% of the child prostitutes had been abducted and sold.
3. 6% had been raped and sold.
4. 8% had been sold by their fathers after forcing them into incestuous relationships.
5. 2 lakh minor girls between ages 9yrs-20yrs were brought every year from Nepal to India and 20,000 of them are in Bombay brothels.
6. 15% to 18% are adolescents between 13 yrs and 18 yrs.
7. 15% of the women in prostitution have been sold by their husbands
8. Of 200m suffering from sexually transmitted diseases in the world 50m alone were in India.
9. 15% of them are devdasis.
III. Cases
There are several causes of child prostitution but some of the most important ones are as follows:
1. Devdasi system:- many of the devdasis are the girls who were dedicated to the Goddess Yellamma by their parents at a very young age. They are the servants of God as they are married to the Goddess. This ceremony takes place twice a year. The main one is during the second fortnight of January at Karnatakas Saudatti village in South West of Miraj. Once the girl is married to a Goddess she cannot marry a mortal.
The procurers frequent the place inorder to get the fresh supplies of girls as 4000 to 5000 girls are dedicated every year to the Goddess.
Attaining puberty is a secondary thing as there is a ceremony known as heath Lawni (or touching ceremony) whereby the girl is made over to the highest bidder.
A study revealed that one third, of which three fourth are under fourteen years, are in Bombay's cheapest brothels. They belong to the low castes like Mahars, Matangs, etc. who give low priority to education. They are so poverty stricken that Fathers, brothers and husbands do not hesitate to sell their daughters, sisters and wives.
Prevention of devdasis Act has been in the statute book since 1935 and amended recently but the system continues even today despite governmental ban, Still the girls are dedicated to the Goddess and forced into virtual prostitution and made to entertain males in order to invoke the blessings of the deity.
It was estimated that in Delhi 50% of the prostitutes are devdasis and in Bombay, Pune, Solapur and Sangli. 15% of them are devdasis,
(2) It is also noticed that young and old men prefer young and new girls.
(3) Growing poverty, increasing urbanization, and industrialization, migration, and widespread unemployment, breaking up of joint family system etc. are also responsible for the prevalence and perpetuation of the child prostitution.
(4) The influx of the affluent and not so affluent people from Gulf countries in India has boosted the flesh trade in cities like Bombay, Hyderabad etc. The parents are forced to part with their daughters for as little as 2 rupees tow two thousand in the fond hope that they would get two square meals in the moneyed new world.
(5) Quick marriages without proper knowledge of the bridegroom's family background leading to a divorce initiates the gravitation of girls to the red light area.
(6) Another inaction is after rape. A fifteen years old girl was brought to Dr, Gildas Clinic as she was suffering from the symptoms of an STD she had been raped and sold by a self styled social worker. The poor girl was forced into silence by the threats of dire consequences.
(7) The children are not lured into it but are thrust into it. There was a case of a sixteen years old girl who was sold to a brothel owner by her father following incest. 8% of these girls are victims of incest because of the myth-that one of the causes for an STD is intercourse with a virgin.
(8) Many a times when a child who has lost both his parents is looked after by the relatives and these relatives too force the child into prostitution.
(9) Child marriages are a common phenomenon even today and the bride is very much younger to the bridegroom so the husband drives the innocent wife into prostitution. There is a case where a girl of 13 was married off to a man of thrice her age three months later he abandoned her and married another girl. She returned to her poor parents and three months later a man promised her a good job and took her to Bombay from where he went and sold her to a middle aged woman at Kamatipura for rupees ten thousand and did not come back to take her.
(10) Some of them are lured to Bombay the tinsel town. They dream of stellar roles in films and mostly end up as prostitutes in the cages.
IV. Who are these girls, where then they procured from? How and why?
Tribal Kolta women and girls from Garhwal hills are compelled to become prostitutes to rescue their family from debt bondage. Poverty stricken young girls from Bengal and Nepal are lured with promises of attractive jobs and marriage. The agents came to know about the existing condition in the areas of U. P. Tehri Garhwal. Dehradun etc. The local Rajputs used to keep the men as animals and exploit their wives, sisters and daughters too. The agents were successful in convincing these women well and hence brought them to Delhi and Agra and sold them to the brothels there.
The phenomenon of commercialized trafficking of their girls found an easy acceptability among kollas as Nadeem Hasnain, an anthropologist researched the Socio-economic and cultural variables responsible for the bondage. In his book Bonded for ever (1982) says. "… Centuries of exploitation and extreme degrees of material and non material deprivation and the resultant wretchedness have taken the fight out of them and they can hardly resist the temptation of getting some hundred rupees even at the cost of selling their offsprings and wives. It is an economic battle for life".
Nearly 5000 teenagers and women in a Tehsil of sangli district in South Maharastra wait for the month of June when the Arabs come and the year long poverty and hunger of these women, children, and babies is dispelled over night. The flesh trade flourishes from June to September and makes all the people connected with it happy.
In Rajashtan teenage prostitution is catching up as men sit and smoke hukkas while women fix bargains years after passing of the suppression of immoral traffic of women and children act. The children of the age group between 12 yrs to 20 yrs practice prostitution after school hours. Most of these children are later sold to the brothels of Agra and Delhi.
In big cities women procures are on a lookout for girls and they get girls from Basti, Gonda, Gorakhpur, Shahjahanpur, which are particularly notorious areas. Trilokpur police said that in a period of a year one thousand girls were sold in Doomariyaganj tahsil alone.
Nepal has a very large female population and majority of them are illiterate and are very gullible and can be lured under any pretext. They are very religious and succumb to the promises of being taken to temples in India. They are fair skinned and attractive and a promise to get them into films tempts them. There is widespread unemployment in Nepal and the girls are totally unexposed to the outer world.
About 40% of these girls are habitual bidi smokers so a little bit of the soporific can be mixed in the cigarettes for e.g. Ganja, Charas before abducting them. The Govt. of Nepal plans to ban smoking for women for this reason. The procurers find new ways of abducting them. One of the ways is giving them the 'magic paan' (betel) which is cocaine mixed, as most of the girls are abdicts of paan and beedi fall an easy prey to the cocaine intoxication.
Another bait is that of dowry which exists in reverse from in Nepal. A man can buy a bride and then he brings her to Bombay or anywhere and sells her at a brothel. Bombay seems to be an end of the rainbow when the daughters disappeared, the parents did not try to find out because they neither had the resources nor the ability to do so. They are assured that each girl can look after herself and if she does not reach so far. But when the girls started disappearing more frequently the rumours filtered back to the villages the neighbours were told that she was working in Bombay.
The parents do not accept the girls back but the money they send to them 80% of the girls crossing the Indo-Nepal border fall victims to racketeers who include Government officials of the two countries.
Girls are also brought from Karnataka, Rajasthan and Andhra Pradesh and are assaulted and raped till they submit to this shameful life.
V. Conditions
In the seamy and sordid world where each painted faced hides its own talk of abduction coercion an submission the 'gharwali' or the 'madani' rules by force and is helped by 'Goondas'. The prostitute is deprived of her earnings till the price which was paid to buy her is procured. If she utters a word of dissatisfaction she is whipped. They are kept in sophisticated cages by their owners. The child prostitutes who are minors and virgins are kept under strict vigil in reserve as they are in great demand. The Arabs and Koreans are used to paying thousands for these girls. The girls are never lodged at the same place permanently and they are shifted occasionally to a dozen of brothels owned by the procuress of their own country to avoid familiarity with the customers or police detection.
The procurer first rechristens the girl and the cautions them against revealing their real names and also disclosing there true addresses to the customers. Thereafter they are trained on the ethics of flesh trade never to turn away any customer, to treat all customers well equally courteously and superficially and never to discuss personal matters and keep themselves clean. They are also given one weekly holiday. The brothels where minor girls are kept, have two entries so as to escape during the sudden raids.
The girls have to live in a really unhygenic condition with very little food. A dozen girls have to live in a 10 x 10 room and that too without any medical check ups. These girls are forced to work round the clock. They are excused only when they are physically very weak.
Madams have quacks to treat them who dispense debilitating remedies and also use dangerous and unhygenic methods of abortion. The quacks inject coloured liquid in the infected areas as the treatment for various sexually transmitted diseases such as syphilis, scabies, venereal wart etc. making the children never totally cured thus extending their hold on them. The girls are seldom taken for treatment as sex with a minor girl is a crime so the madams are scared of the criminal proceedings.
For decades the most important red light areas have been enjoying the police protection. The policemen themselves go to the brothels for tea snacks and girls. They inform the brothel keepers in advance about the raids which are scheduled to take place.
The police, the brothel keeper, and pimps share the major part of the earnings of the prostitutes and the rest of it that percolates down to the prostitutes is a mere pittance. It is alleged that the police and abet the running of the brothels. They accept the hospitability, money and free use of the girls. The police helps the brothel keeper even by bringing back the ones who have run away. In a case where a girl named Geeta who was ten years old was rescued by a hawker after many attempts was returned back to the brothel keeper by the inspector himself on the same day.
The escapes by the victims and recovery by the police are rare. The recoveries do not account for even 2% of the actual number of girls procured it different places.
Child prostitution does not exists only in India but also in other parts of the world.
"60 sex salves all from impoverished Dominican republic were found hidden in sealed containers unloaded at the port St. Thomas in U. S. Virgin Islands. 28 of these died and survivors were weak with no identity papers. They work for 18 hrs in a day and get only 20 dollars per client."
"Millions of third worlds young women and children are sold. Sexual slavery is becoming increasingly international and industrial incharacter".
An organization of Manila which exports girls had 18 girls between the ages of 10 yrs to 17 yrs ready to be exported with same sign tattooed on the right thigh.
In Thailand child prostitution is relatively discrete and tolerated by police.
VI. Effects
Practice of child prostitution is economically unsound, psychologically disastrous, and morally dangerous and harmful on even and individual child. One can hardly imagine the extreme trauma that a child under goes. There is a case of a child prostitute who lost her speech after being raped by one who had hired her. She is now placed in a deaf mute school for speech recovery.
The case of Tulsa a Nepali girl is more pathetic. Since the age of 13 she was sold and brought by many people and shifted from brothel to brothel and was forced by five to seven men every day. In this process she ended up with many diseases. She was taken to J. J. Hospital at Bombay. She was said to be suffering from meningitis, tuberculosis of brain, bone and chest and had an STD in advanced stage. The police took over sixteen months a file a charge sheet. Finally she was repatriated to Nepal. The culprits in the Himalayan. Kingdom were tried and imprisoned for 20 years.
Child prostitutes become ready recruits for flesh trade for they are rendered unfit for any other trade or calling not being educated or having any knowledge of any other trade.
Child prostitution itself is a criminal activity and serves as a catalyst for further criminal association in other fields. The helpless children are turned into mere pawns in the criminal syndicates which lead to a steady deterioration of morals.
50m of the worlds 200m prostitutes who suffer from STD are in India and they are mostly found to be affected by tuberculosis, meningitis scabies, chronic pelvic injections anaemia, syphilis, chaneroid. Tineacrutis, vevercal war etc. This was the scars that the child prostitution leaves on the child prostitutes can not be erased but to a certain extent can be minimised by the medical help.
VII. Law and child prostitution
The Immoral Traffic (Prevention) Act passed by both houses of parliament last August come into force from Monday 26th January 1987.
Under the amended act detention of a woman for purposes of prostitution is punishable with a minimum of seven years of imprisonment and maximum of life imprisonment Equally Stringent punishment will be awarded to those procuring children for prostitution.
Earlier, the act was known as suppression of Immoral Traffic in Women and Girls Act (SITA). The name of the act has been changed and it has been made more effective and stringent. The definition of prostitute itself has been changed to include persons of both sexes. Earlier it included girls and women only. The amendment takes into account the growing menace of male prostitution especially that involving young boys.
Under the new act there are three categories of victims-children, minors and majors. The children are those upto 16 years and minors are those between 16 to 18yrs and majors are those above 18 yrs. The earlier act recognized only women and girls - a women being one who has completed 21 years. Punishment for offences committed against these categories differ in severity Offences Committed against children and minors will be dealt with more severely than those against majors.
The new act provides for the appointment of a special police officer for investigating offences with inter-state ramifications the women who are resended by the police during raids will be questioned only by women police officers and if none is available they can be interrogated only in the presence of a female representative of a recognised welfare institution or organisation. To make a search or conduct a raid too the police officer has to be accompanied by at least two police women.
VIII. Rehabilitation
Rehabilitation of the prostitutes is a big problem because people donate for different causes like handicapped people, blind etc but when it cames to helping these girls not many are willing. There is a stigma attached to this profession once rescued the girls are sent to the Remand houses or the protective houses which are overcrowded, mismanaged, without facilities or vocational training and living conditions threadbare. The Government gives an aid of just Rs. 75/- per girl per month. So the girl realises that the life before was better and so when the pimp comes to claim them as a brother or a sister she readily goes with him or her to the old life.
IX. Conclusion
Our society has not only turned a blind eye to minor girls being enticed into prostitution but also is directly responsible for the continuance in growth of child prostitution. First the demand for virgin prostitutes, and secondly it abets child prostitution by failing to provide adequate facilities for orphan and destitute children. Unless so called respectable sections of the society rise in revolt against exploitation the future of younger generation looks bleak. We have to forget the idea of once a prostitute for ever a prostitute and think how can a child help what has been done her by an unthinking adult? We have to overlook their past and rehabilitate them as one of the agencies in Bombay called Savadhan headed by Mr. Gupta is doing. They have got 30 of prostitutes who were rescued married to respectable people of the society. The IHO has been clamoring for women police to patrol red light area because policemen themselves exploit the inhabitant of the Red light area. The Government should divert more funds for rehabilitation and private charitable institutions should also contribute what we achieve in science and technology will be negated if we cannot protect our minor girls who are being exploited. The Government should severely punish the people connected with this inhuman practice should be totally banned for the good of the future citizens of our country.
http://www.pucl.org/from-archives/Child/prostitution.htm
Hey Rajiv looks like your morals aren't intact.
Gunny
06-23-2007, 11:42 AM
A survey conducted by Indian Health Organization of a red light area of Bombay shows:-
1. 20% of the one lakh prostitutes are children.
2. 25% of the child prostitutes had been abducted and sold.
3. 6% had been raped and sold.
4. 8% had been sold by their fathers after forcing them into incestuous relationships.
5. 2 lakh minor girls between ages 9yrs-20yrs were brought every year from Nepal to India and 20,000 of them are in Bombay brothels.
6. 15% to 18% are adolescents between 13 yrs and 18 yrs.
7. 15% of the women in prostitution have been sold by their husbands
8. Of 200m suffering from sexually transmitted diseases in the world 50m alone were in India.
9. 15% of them are devdasis.
III. Cases
There are several causes of child prostitution but some of the most important ones are as follows:
1. Devdasi system:- many of the devdasis are the girls who were dedicated to the Goddess Yellamma by their parents at a very young age. They are the servants of God as they are married to the Goddess. This ceremony takes place twice a year. The main one is during the second fortnight of January at Karnatakas Saudatti village in South West of Miraj. Once the girl is married to a Goddess she cannot marry a mortal.
The procurers frequent the place inorder to get the fresh supplies of girls as 4000 to 5000 girls are dedicated every year to the Goddess.
Attaining puberty is a secondary thing as there is a ceremony known as heath Lawni (or touching ceremony) whereby the girl is made over to the highest bidder.
A study revealed that one third, of which three fourth are under fourteen years, are in Bombay's cheapest brothels. They belong to the low castes like Mahars, Matangs, etc. who give low priority to education. They are so poverty stricken that Fathers, brothers and husbands do not hesitate to sell their daughters, sisters and wives.
Prevention of devdasis Act has been in the statute book since 1935 and amended recently but the system continues even today despite governmental ban, Still the girls are dedicated to the Goddess and forced into virtual prostitution and made to entertain males in order to invoke the blessings of the deity.
It was estimated that in Delhi 50% of the prostitutes are devdasis and in Bombay, Pune, Solapur and Sangli. 15% of them are devdasis,
(2) It is also noticed that young and old men prefer young and new girls.
(3) Growing poverty, increasing urbanization, and industrialization, migration, and widespread unemployment, breaking up of joint family system etc. are also responsible for the prevalence and perpetuation of the child prostitution.
(4) The influx of the affluent and not so affluent people from Gulf countries in India has boosted the flesh trade in cities like Bombay, Hyderabad etc. The parents are forced to part with their daughters for as little as 2 rupees tow two thousand in the fond hope that they would get two square meals in the moneyed new world.
(5) Quick marriages without proper knowledge of the bridegroom's family background leading to a divorce initiates the gravitation of girls to the red light area.
(6) Another inaction is after rape. A fifteen years old girl was brought to Dr, Gildas Clinic as she was suffering from the symptoms of an STD she had been raped and sold by a self styled social worker. The poor girl was forced into silence by the threats of dire consequences.
(7) The children are not lured into it but are thrust into it. There was a case of a sixteen years old girl who was sold to a brothel owner by her father following incest. 8% of these girls are victims of incest because of the myth-that one of the causes for an STD is intercourse with a virgin.
(8) Many a times when a child who has lost both his parents is looked after by the relatives and these relatives too force the child into prostitution.
(9) Child marriages are a common phenomenon even today and the bride is very much younger to the bridegroom so the husband drives the innocent wife into prostitution. There is a case where a girl of 13 was married off to a man of thrice her age three months later he abandoned her and married another girl. She returned to her poor parents and three months later a man promised her a good job and took her to Bombay from where he went and sold her to a middle aged woman at Kamatipura for rupees ten thousand and did not come back to take her.
(10) Some of them are lured to Bombay the tinsel town. They dream of stellar roles in films and mostly end up as prostitutes in the cages.
IV. Who are these girls, where then they procured from? How and why?
Tribal Kolta women and girls from Garhwal hills are compelled to become prostitutes to rescue their family from debt bondage. Poverty stricken young girls from Bengal and Nepal are lured with promises of attractive jobs and marriage. The agents came to know about the existing condition in the areas of U. P. Tehri Garhwal. Dehradun etc. The local Rajputs used to keep the men as animals and exploit their wives, sisters and daughters too. The agents were successful in convincing these women well and hence brought them to Delhi and Agra and sold them to the brothels there.
The phenomenon of commercialized trafficking of their girls found an easy acceptability among kollas as Nadeem Hasnain, an anthropologist researched the Socio-economic and cultural variables responsible for the bondage. In his book Bonded for ever (1982) says. "… Centuries of exploitation and extreme degrees of material and non material deprivation and the resultant wretchedness have taken the fight out of them and they can hardly resist the temptation of getting some hundred rupees even at the cost of selling their offsprings and wives. It is an economic battle for life".
Nearly 5000 teenagers and women in a Tehsil of sangli district in South Maharastra wait for the month of June when the Arabs come and the year long poverty and hunger of these women, children, and babies is dispelled over night. The flesh trade flourishes from June to September and makes all the people connected with it happy.
In Rajashtan teenage prostitution is catching up as men sit and smoke hukkas while women fix bargains years after passing of the suppression of immoral traffic of women and children act. The children of the age group between 12 yrs to 20 yrs practice prostitution after school hours. Most of these children are later sold to the brothels of Agra and Delhi.
In big cities women procures are on a lookout for girls and they get girls from Basti, Gonda, Gorakhpur, Shahjahanpur, which are particularly notorious areas. Trilokpur police said that in a period of a year one thousand girls were sold in Doomariyaganj tahsil alone.
Nepal has a very large female population and majority of them are illiterate and are very gullible and can be lured under any pretext. They are very religious and succumb to the promises of being taken to temples in India. They are fair skinned and attractive and a promise to get them into films tempts them. There is widespread unemployment in Nepal and the girls are totally unexposed to the outer world.
About 40% of these girls are habitual bidi smokers so a little bit of the soporific can be mixed in the cigarettes for e.g. Ganja, Charas before abducting them. The Govt. of Nepal plans to ban smoking for women for this reason. The procurers find new ways of abducting them. One of the ways is giving them the 'magic paan' (betel) which is cocaine mixed, as most of the girls are abdicts of paan and beedi fall an easy prey to the cocaine intoxication.
Another bait is that of dowry which exists in reverse from in Nepal. A man can buy a bride and then he brings her to Bombay or anywhere and sells her at a brothel. Bombay seems to be an end of the rainbow when the daughters disappeared, the parents did not try to find out because they neither had the resources nor the ability to do so. They are assured that each girl can look after herself and if she does not reach so far. But when the girls started disappearing more frequently the rumours filtered back to the villages the neighbours were told that she was working in Bombay.
The parents do not accept the girls back but the money they send to them 80% of the girls crossing the Indo-Nepal border fall victims to racketeers who include Government officials of the two countries.
Girls are also brought from Karnataka, Rajasthan and Andhra Pradesh and are assaulted and raped till they submit to this shameful life.
V. Conditions
In the seamy and sordid world where each painted faced hides its own talk of abduction coercion an submission the 'gharwali' or the 'madani' rules by force and is helped by 'Goondas'. The prostitute is deprived of her earnings till the price which was paid to buy her is procured. If she utters a word of dissatisfaction she is whipped. They are kept in sophisticated cages by their owners. The child prostitutes who are minors and virgins are kept under strict vigil in reserve as they are in great demand. The Arabs and Koreans are used to paying thousands for these girls. The girls are never lodged at the same place permanently and they are shifted occasionally to a dozen of brothels owned by the procuress of their own country to avoid familiarity with the customers or police detection.
The procurer first rechristens the girl and the cautions them against revealing their real names and also disclosing there true addresses to the customers. Thereafter they are trained on the ethics of flesh trade never to turn away any customer, to treat all customers well equally courteously and superficially and never to discuss personal matters and keep themselves clean. They are also given one weekly holiday. The brothels where minor girls are kept, have two entries so as to escape during the sudden raids.
The girls have to live in a really unhygenic condition with very little food. A dozen girls have to live in a 10 x 10 room and that too without any medical check ups. These girls are forced to work round the clock. They are excused only when they are physically very weak.
Madams have quacks to treat them who dispense debilitating remedies and also use dangerous and unhygenic methods of abortion. The quacks inject coloured liquid in the infected areas as the treatment for various sexually transmitted diseases such as syphilis, scabies, venereal wart etc. making the children never totally cured thus extending their hold on them. The girls are seldom taken for treatment as sex with a minor girl is a crime so the madams are scared of the criminal proceedings.
For decades the most important red light areas have been enjoying the police protection. The policemen themselves go to the brothels for tea snacks and girls. They inform the brothel keepers in advance about the raids which are scheduled to take place.
The police, the brothel keeper, and pimps share the major part of the earnings of the prostitutes and the rest of it that percolates down to the prostitutes is a mere pittance. It is alleged that the police and abet the running of the brothels. They accept the hospitability, money and free use of the girls. The police helps the brothel keeper even by bringing back the ones who have run away. In a case where a girl named Geeta who was ten years old was rescued by a hawker after many attempts was returned back to the brothel keeper by the inspector himself on the same day.
The escapes by the victims and recovery by the police are rare. The recoveries do not account for even 2% of the actual number of girls procured it different places.
Child prostitution does not exists only in India but also in other parts of the world.
"60 sex salves all from impoverished Dominican republic were found hidden in sealed containers unloaded at the port St. Thomas in U. S. Virgin Islands. 28 of these died and survivors were weak with no identity papers. They work for 18 hrs in a day and get only 20 dollars per client."
"Millions of third worlds young women and children are sold. Sexual slavery is becoming increasingly international and industrial incharacter".
An organization of Manila which exports girls had 18 girls between the ages of 10 yrs to 17 yrs ready to be exported with same sign tattooed on the right thigh.
In Thailand child prostitution is relatively discrete and tolerated by police.
VI. Effects
Practice of child prostitution is economically unsound, psychologically disastrous, and morally dangerous and harmful on even and individual child. One can hardly imagine the extreme trauma that a child under goes. There is a case of a child prostitute who lost her speech after being raped by one who had hired her. She is now placed in a deaf mute school for speech recovery.
The case of Tulsa a Nepali girl is more pathetic. Since the age of 13 she was sold and brought by many people and shifted from brothel to brothel and was forced by five to seven men every day. In this process she ended up with many diseases. She was taken to J. J. Hospital at Bombay. She was said to be suffering from meningitis, tuberculosis of brain, bone and chest and had an STD in advanced stage. The police took over sixteen months a file a charge sheet. Finally she was repatriated to Nepal. The culprits in the Himalayan. Kingdom were tried and imprisoned for 20 years.
Child prostitutes become ready recruits for flesh trade for they are rendered unfit for any other trade or calling not being educated or having any knowledge of any other trade.
Child prostitution itself is a criminal activity and serves as a catalyst for further criminal association in other fields. The helpless children are turned into mere pawns in the criminal syndicates which lead to a steady deterioration of morals.
50m of the worlds 200m prostitutes who suffer from STD are in India and they are mostly found to be affected by tuberculosis, meningitis scabies, chronic pelvic injections anaemia, syphilis, chaneroid. Tineacrutis, vevercal war etc. This was the scars that the child prostitution leaves on the child prostitutes can not be erased but to a certain extent can be minimised by the medical help.
VII. Law and child prostitution
The Immoral Traffic (Prevention) Act passed by both houses of parliament last August come into force from Monday 26th January 1987.
Under the amended act detention of a woman for purposes of prostitution is punishable with a minimum of seven years of imprisonment and maximum of life imprisonment Equally Stringent punishment will be awarded to those procuring children for prostitution.
Earlier, the act was known as suppression of Immoral Traffic in Women and Girls Act (SITA). The name of the act has been changed and it has been made more effective and stringent. The definition of prostitute itself has been changed to include persons of both sexes. Earlier it included girls and women only. The amendment takes into account the growing menace of male prostitution especially that involving young boys.
Under the new act there are three categories of victims-children, minors and majors. The children are those upto 16 years and minors are those between 16 to 18yrs and majors are those above 18 yrs. The earlier act recognized only women and girls - a women being one who has completed 21 years. Punishment for offences committed against these categories differ in severity Offences Committed against children and minors will be dealt with more severely than those against majors.
The new act provides for the appointment of a special police officer for investigating offences with inter-state ramifications the women who are resended by the police during raids will be questioned only by women police officers and if none is available they can be interrogated only in the presence of a female representative of a recognised welfare institution or organisation. To make a search or conduct a raid too the police officer has to be accompanied by at least two police women.
VIII. Rehabilitation
Rehabilitation of the prostitutes is a big problem because people donate for different causes like handicapped people, blind etc but when it cames to helping these girls not many are willing. There is a stigma attached to this profession once rescued the girls are sent to the Remand houses or the protective houses which are overcrowded, mismanaged, without facilities or vocational training and living conditions threadbare. The Government gives an aid of just Rs. 75/- per girl per month. So the girl realises that the life before was better and so when the pimp comes to claim them as a brother or a sister she readily goes with him or her to the old life.
IX. Conclusion
Our society has not only turned a blind eye to minor girls being enticed into prostitution but also is directly responsible for the continuance in growth of child prostitution. First the demand for virgin prostitutes, and secondly it abets child prostitution by failing to provide adequate facilities for orphan and destitute children. Unless so called respectable sections of the society rise in revolt against exploitation the future of younger generation looks bleak. We have to forget the idea of once a prostitute for ever a prostitute and think how can a child help what has been done her by an unthinking adult? We have to overlook their past and rehabilitate them as one of the agencies in Bombay called Savadhan headed by Mr. Gupta is doing. They have got 30 of prostitutes who were rescued married to respectable people of the society. The IHO has been clamoring for women police to patrol red light area because policemen themselves exploit the inhabitant of the Red light area. The Government should divert more funds for rehabilitation and private charitable institutions should also contribute what we achieve in science and technology will be negated if we cannot protect our minor girls who are being exploited. The Government should severely punish the people connected with this inhuman practice should be totally banned for the good of the future citizens of our country.
http://www.pucl.org/from-archives/Child/prostitution.htm
Damn ... a windmill dunk in rajev's face. :laugh2:
Rahul
06-23-2007, 01:11 PM
A survey conducted by Indian Health Organization of a red light area of Bombay shows:-
1. 20% of the one lakh prostitutes are children.
2. 25% of the child prostitutes had been abducted and sold.
3. 6% had been raped and sold.
4. 8% had been sold by their fathers after forcing them into incestuous relationships.
5. 2 lakh minor girls between ages 9yrs-20yrs were brought every year from Nepal to India and 20,000 of them are in Bombay brothels.
6. 15% to 18% are adolescents between 13 yrs and 18 yrs.
7. 15% of the women in prostitution have been sold by their husbands
8. Of 200m suffering from sexually transmitted diseases in the world 50m alone were in India.
9. 15% of them are devdasis.
III. Cases
There are several causes of child prostitution but some of the most important ones are as follows:
1. Devdasi system:- many of the devdasis are the girls who were dedicated to the Goddess Yellamma by their parents at a very young age. They are the servants of God as they are married to the Goddess. This ceremony takes place twice a year. The main one is during the second fortnight of January at Karnatakas Saudatti village in South West of Miraj. Once the girl is married to a Goddess she cannot marry a mortal.
The procurers frequent the place inorder to get the fresh supplies of girls as 4000 to 5000 girls are dedicated every year to the Goddess.
Attaining puberty is a secondary thing as there is a ceremony known as heath Lawni (or touching ceremony) whereby the girl is made over to the highest bidder.
A study revealed that one third, of which three fourth are under fourteen years, are in Bombay's cheapest brothels. They belong to the low castes like Mahars, Matangs, etc. who give low priority to education. They are so poverty stricken that Fathers, brothers and husbands do not hesitate to sell their daughters, sisters and wives.
Prevention of devdasis Act has been in the statute book since 1935 and amended recently but the system continues even today despite governmental ban, Still the girls are dedicated to the Goddess and forced into virtual prostitution and made to entertain males in order to invoke the blessings of the deity.
It was estimated that in Delhi 50% of the prostitutes are devdasis and in Bombay, Pune, Solapur and Sangli. 15% of them are devdasis,
(2) It is also noticed that young and old men prefer young and new girls.
(3) Growing poverty, increasing urbanization, and industrialization, migration, and widespread unemployment, breaking up of joint family system etc. are also responsible for the prevalence and perpetuation of the child prostitution.
(4) The influx of the affluent and not so affluent people from Gulf countries in India has boosted the flesh trade in cities like Bombay, Hyderabad etc. The parents are forced to part with their daughters for as little as 2 rupees tow two thousand in the fond hope that they would get two square meals in the moneyed new world.
(5) Quick marriages without proper knowledge of the bridegroom's family background leading to a divorce initiates the gravitation of girls to the red light area.
(6) Another inaction is after rape. A fifteen years old girl was brought to Dr, Gildas Clinic as she was suffering from the symptoms of an STD she had been raped and sold by a self styled social worker. The poor girl was forced into silence by the threats of dire consequences.
(7) The children are not lured into it but are thrust into it. There was a case of a sixteen years old girl who was sold to a brothel owner by her father following incest. 8% of these girls are victims of incest because of the myth-that one of the causes for an STD is intercourse with a virgin.
(8) Many a times when a child who has lost both his parents is looked after by the relatives and these relatives too force the child into prostitution.
(9) Child marriages are a common phenomenon even today and the bride is very much younger to the bridegroom so the husband drives the innocent wife into prostitution. There is a case where a girl of 13 was married off to a man of thrice her age three months later he abandoned her and married another girl. She returned to her poor parents and three months later a man promised her a good job and took her to Bombay from where he went and sold her to a middle aged woman at Kamatipura for rupees ten thousand and did not come back to take her.
(10) Some of them are lured to Bombay the tinsel town. They dream of stellar roles in films and mostly end up as prostitutes in the cages.
IV. Who are these girls, where then they procured from? How and why?
Tribal Kolta women and girls from Garhwal hills are compelled to become prostitutes to rescue their family from debt bondage. Poverty stricken young girls from Bengal and Nepal are lured with promises of attractive jobs and marriage. The agents came to know about the existing condition in the areas of U. P. Tehri Garhwal. Dehradun etc. The local Rajputs used to keep the men as animals and exploit their wives, sisters and daughters too. The agents were successful in convincing these women well and hence brought them to Delhi and Agra and sold them to the brothels there.
The phenomenon of commercialized trafficking of their girls found an easy acceptability among kollas as Nadeem Hasnain, an anthropologist researched the Socio-economic and cultural variables responsible for the bondage. In his book Bonded for ever (1982) says. "… Centuries of exploitation and extreme degrees of material and non material deprivation and the resultant wretchedness have taken the fight out of them and they can hardly resist the temptation of getting some hundred rupees even at the cost of selling their offsprings and wives. It is an economic battle for life".
Nearly 5000 teenagers and women in a Tehsil of sangli district in South Maharastra wait for the month of June when the Arabs come and the year long poverty and hunger of these women, children, and babies is dispelled over night. The flesh trade flourishes from June to September and makes all the people connected with it happy.
In Rajashtan teenage prostitution is catching up as men sit and smoke hukkas while women fix bargains years after passing of the suppression of immoral traffic of women and children act. The children of the age group between 12 yrs to 20 yrs practice prostitution after school hours. Most of these children are later sold to the brothels of Agra and Delhi.
In big cities women procures are on a lookout for girls and they get girls from Basti, Gonda, Gorakhpur, Shahjahanpur, which are particularly notorious areas. Trilokpur police said that in a period of a year one thousand girls were sold in Doomariyaganj tahsil alone.
Nepal has a very large female population and majority of them are illiterate and are very gullible and can be lured under any pretext. They are very religious and succumb to the promises of being taken to temples in India. They are fair skinned and attractive and a promise to get them into films tempts them. There is widespread unemployment in Nepal and the girls are totally unexposed to the outer world.
About 40% of these girls are habitual bidi smokers so a little bit of the soporific can be mixed in the cigarettes for e.g. Ganja, Charas before abducting them. The Govt. of Nepal plans to ban smoking for women for this reason. The procurers find new ways of abducting them. One of the ways is giving them the 'magic paan' (betel) which is cocaine mixed, as most of the girls are abdicts of paan and beedi fall an easy prey to the cocaine intoxication.
Another bait is that of dowry which exists in reverse from in Nepal. A man can buy a bride and then he brings her to Bombay or anywhere and sells her at a brothel. Bombay seems to be an end of the rainbow when the daughters disappeared, the parents did not try to find out because they neither had the resources nor the ability to do so. They are assured that each girl can look after herself and if she does not reach so far. But when the girls started disappearing more frequently the rumours filtered back to the villages the neighbours were told that she was working in Bombay.
The parents do not accept the girls back but the money they send to them 80% of the girls crossing the Indo-Nepal border fall victims to racketeers who include Government officials of the two countries.
Girls are also brought from Karnataka, Rajasthan and Andhra Pradesh and are assaulted and raped till they submit to this shameful life.
V. Conditions
In the seamy and sordid world where each painted faced hides its own talk of abduction coercion an submission the 'gharwali' or the 'madani' rules by force and is helped by 'Goondas'. The prostitute is deprived of her earnings till the price which was paid to buy her is procured. If she utters a word of dissatisfaction she is whipped. They are kept in sophisticated cages by their owners. The child prostitutes who are minors and virgins are kept under strict vigil in reserve as they are in great demand. The Arabs and Koreans are used to paying thousands for these girls. The girls are never lodged at the same place permanently and they are shifted occasionally to a dozen of brothels owned by the procuress of their own country to avoid familiarity with the customers or police detection.
The procurer first rechristens the girl and the cautions them against revealing their real names and also disclosing there true addresses to the customers. Thereafter they are trained on the ethics of flesh trade never to turn away any customer, to treat all customers well equally courteously and superficially and never to discuss personal matters and keep themselves clean. They are also given one weekly holiday. The brothels where minor girls are kept, have two entries so as to escape during the sudden raids.
The girls have to live in a really unhygenic condition with very little food. A dozen girls have to live in a 10 x 10 room and that too without any medical check ups. These girls are forced to work round the clock. They are excused only when they are physically very weak.
Madams have quacks to treat them who dispense debilitating remedies and also use dangerous and unhygenic methods of abortion. The quacks inject coloured liquid in the infected areas as the treatment for various sexually transmitted diseases such as syphilis, scabies, venereal wart etc. making the children never totally cured thus extending their hold on them. The girls are seldom taken for treatment as sex with a minor girl is a crime so the madams are scared of the criminal proceedings.
For decades the most important red light areas have been enjoying the police protection. The policemen themselves go to the brothels for tea snacks and girls. They inform the brothel keepers in advance about the raids which are scheduled to take place.
The police, the brothel keeper, and pimps share the major part of the earnings of the prostitutes and the rest of it that percolates down to the prostitutes is a mere pittance. It is alleged that the police and abet the running of the brothels. They accept the hospitability, money and free use of the girls. The police helps the brothel keeper even by bringing back the ones who have run away. In a case where a girl named Geeta who was ten years old was rescued by a hawker after many attempts was returned back to the brothel keeper by the inspector himself on the same day.
The escapes by the victims and recovery by the police are rare. The recoveries do not account for even 2% of the actual number of girls procured it different places.
Child prostitution does not exists only in India but also in other parts of the world.
"60 sex salves all from impoverished Dominican republic were found hidden in sealed containers unloaded at the port St. Thomas in U. S. Virgin Islands. 28 of these died and survivors were weak with no identity papers. They work for 18 hrs in a day and get only 20 dollars per client."
"Millions of third worlds young women and children are sold. Sexual slavery is becoming increasingly international and industrial incharacter".
An organization of Manila which exports girls had 18 girls between the ages of 10 yrs to 17 yrs ready to be exported with same sign tattooed on the right thigh.
In Thailand child prostitution is relatively discrete and tolerated by police.
VI. Effects
Practice of child prostitution is economically unsound, psychologically disastrous, and morally dangerous and harmful on even and individual child. One can hardly imagine the extreme trauma that a child under goes. There is a case of a child prostitute who lost her speech after being raped by one who had hired her. She is now placed in a deaf mute school for speech recovery.
The case of Tulsa a Nepali girl is more pathetic. Since the age of 13 she was sold and brought by many people and shifted from brothel to brothel and was forced by five to seven men every day. In this process she ended up with many diseases. She was taken to J. J. Hospital at Bombay. She was said to be suffering from meningitis, tuberculosis of brain, bone and chest and had an STD in advanced stage. The police took over sixteen months a file a charge sheet. Finally she was repatriated to Nepal. The culprits in the Himalayan. Kingdom were tried and imprisoned for 20 years.
Child prostitutes become ready recruits for flesh trade for they are rendered unfit for any other trade or calling not being educated or having any knowledge of any other trade.
Child prostitution itself is a criminal activity and serves as a catalyst for further criminal association in other fields. The helpless children are turned into mere pawns in the criminal syndicates which lead to a steady deterioration of morals.
50m of the worlds 200m prostitutes who suffer from STD are in India and they are mostly found to be affected by tuberculosis, meningitis scabies, chronic pelvic injections anaemia, syphilis, chaneroid. Tineacrutis, vevercal war etc. This was the scars that the child prostitution leaves on the child prostitutes can not be erased but to a certain extent can be minimised by the medical help.
VII. Law and child prostitution
The Immoral Traffic (Prevention) Act passed by both houses of parliament last August come into force from Monday 26th January 1987.
Under the amended act detention of a woman for purposes of prostitution is punishable with a minimum of seven years of imprisonment and maximum of life imprisonment Equally Stringent punishment will be awarded to those procuring children for prostitution.
Earlier, the act was known as suppression of Immoral Traffic in Women and Girls Act (SITA). The name of the act has been changed and it has been made more effective and stringent. The definition of prostitute itself has been changed to include persons of both sexes. Earlier it included girls and women only. The amendment takes into account the growing menace of male prostitution especially that involving young boys.
Under the new act there are three categories of victims-children, minors and majors. The children are those upto 16 years and minors are those between 16 to 18yrs and majors are those above 18 yrs. The earlier act recognized only women and girls - a women being one who has completed 21 years. Punishment for offences committed against these categories differ in severity Offences Committed against children and minors will be dealt with more severely than those against majors.
The new act provides for the appointment of a special police officer for investigating offences with inter-state ramifications the women who are resended by the police during raids will be questioned only by women police officers and if none is available they can be interrogated only in the presence of a female representative of a recognised welfare institution or organisation. To make a search or conduct a raid too the police officer has to be accompanied by at least two police women.
VIII. Rehabilitation
Rehabilitation of the prostitutes is a big problem because people donate for different causes like handicapped people, blind etc but when it cames to helping these girls not many are willing. There is a stigma attached to this profession once rescued the girls are sent to the Remand houses or the protective houses which are overcrowded, mismanaged, without facilities or vocational training and living conditions threadbare. The Government gives an aid of just Rs. 75/- per girl per month. So the girl realises that the life before was better and so when the pimp comes to claim them as a brother or a sister she readily goes with him or her to the old life.
IX. Conclusion
Our society has not only turned a blind eye to minor girls being enticed into prostitution but also is directly responsible for the continuance in growth of child prostitution. First the demand for virgin prostitutes, and secondly it abets child prostitution by failing to provide adequate facilities for orphan and destitute children. Unless so called respectable sections of the society rise in revolt against exploitation the future of younger generation looks bleak. We have to forget the idea of once a prostitute for ever a prostitute and think how can a child help what has been done her by an unthinking adult? We have to overlook their past and rehabilitate them as one of the agencies in Bombay called Savadhan headed by Mr. Gupta is doing. They have got 30 of prostitutes who were rescued married to respectable people of the society. The IHO has been clamoring for women police to patrol red light area because policemen themselves exploit the inhabitant of the Red light area. The Government should divert more funds for rehabilitation and private charitable institutions should also contribute what we achieve in science and technology will be negated if we cannot protect our minor girls who are being exploited. The Government should severely punish the people connected with this inhuman practice should be totally banned for the good of the future citizens of our country.
http://www.pucl.org/from-archives/Child/prostitution.htm
Your original claim was that Indians in general support child prostitution. Where in this article does it say that?
FYI, the Devdasi thing only happens in villages, and is being outlawed (though progress is admittedly VERY slow).
As far as the demand for virgin prostitutes goes, is this only the case in India?? :sneaky:
From YOUR article: ""Millions of third worlds young women and children are sold. Sexual slavery is becoming increasingly international and industrial incharacter"." . . . This is not an Indian problem, it's a problem endemic to all third world nations.
But, you likely didn't understand that part, did you? ;)
Your original claim was that Indians in general support child prostitution. Where in this article does it say that?
FYI, the Devdasi thing only happens in villages, and is being outlawed (though progress is admittedly VERY slow).
As far as the demand for virgin prostitutes goes, is this only the case in India?? :sneaky:
From YOUR article: ""Millions of third worlds young women and children are sold. Sexual slavery is becoming increasingly international and industrial incharacter"." . . . This is not an Indian problem, it's a problem endemic to all third world nations.
But, you likely didn't understand that part, did you? ;)
Yeah I understand that you guys have perfected it...........pedophilia.
Nowhere else is their such a high demand for virgin whores, only in morally bankrupt and dirty India.
The facts are posted Gandhi, deflect away!
Rahul
06-24-2007, 12:17 AM
Yeah I understand that you guys have perfected it...........pedophilia.
You haven't understood nor have you backed your claim up.
Nowhere else is their such a high demand for virgin whores, only in morally bankrupt and dirty India.
Vulgar remarks are not necessary.
The facts are posted Gandhi, deflect away!
I am not Gandhi. Perhaps you could stop with the constant name calling and advise how exactly you come to the flawed conclusions that you do.
glockmail
06-24-2007, 12:32 PM
Niiiiiiccccceeeee...
We can only expect this heinous act from fucking retarded/uneducated/right wing southern trash.
...and they try and call Islam bad.
Fuck you, you liberal retarded/ignorant/left wing northern trash.
You haven't understood nor have you backed your claim up.
Vulgar remarks are not necessary.
I am not Gandhi. Perhaps you could stop with the constant name calling and advise how exactly you come to the flawed conclusions that you do.
*yawn*
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz *snore*
glockmail
06-24-2007, 12:40 PM
*yawn*
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz *snore*
So Rahul's an Injun? 'Splains his perverted avatar.
5stringJeff
06-24-2007, 01:12 PM
So Rahul's an Injun? 'Splains his perverted avatar.
The other kind of Indian. Elephants, not eagle feathers.
glockmail
06-24-2007, 01:19 PM
The other kind of Indian. Elephants, not eagle feathers. Yes I knew that. I have the utmost respect for Native Americans. Indians, however, tend to be perverts.
Gunny
06-24-2007, 05:02 PM
Your original claim was that Indians in general support child prostitution. Where in this article does it say that?
FYI, the Devdasi thing only happens in villages, and is being outlawed (though progress is admittedly VERY slow).
As far as the demand for virgin prostitutes goes, is this only the case in India?? :sneaky:
From YOUR article: ""Millions of third worlds young women and children are sold. Sexual slavery is becoming increasingly international and industrial incharacter"." . . . This is not an Indian problem, it's a problem endemic to all third world nations.
But, you likely didn't understand that part, did you? ;)
I bet he understands your exccedingly :lame2: attempt at deflecting from YOUR problem by pointing at someone else's.
You should take up a new hobby. You suck at this one.
Gunny
06-24-2007, 05:04 PM
Yes I knew that. I have the utmost respect for Native Americans. Indians, however, tend to be perverts.
Yeah, and while they starve, porterhouse steaks walk unmolested up and down the street.
Rahul
06-24-2007, 11:20 PM
I bet he understands your exccedingly :lame2: attempt at deflecting from YOUR problem by pointing at someone else's.
What problem did I avoid? Maybe you could be less vague.
Abbey Marie
06-24-2007, 11:57 PM
What problem did I avoid? Maybe you could be less vague.
You know, you contantly ask questions like this: "What problem did I avoid?" "What did I not answer?" Can you be less vague?" Etc.,etc., ad nauseum. May I politely suggest that you take your time and read more carefully, so you do not have to continually ask people to answer questions they have already answered and that are obvious to the rest of us?
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume it is a cultural or language problem for you. I am not trying to be mean; it just gets very frustrating to have to continue to repeat the obvious.
Rahul
06-25-2007, 02:19 AM
You know, you contantly ask questions like this: "What problem did I avoid?" "What did I not answer?" Can you be less vague?" Etc.,etc., ad nauseum.
I am constantly barraged with a steady stream of insults and am called offensive names. Many on here focus upon my character instead of the argument being made, but when boxed into a corner with facts, they make vague remarks such as the one above. What am I to do?
May I politely suggest that you take your time and read more carefully, so you do not have to continually ask people to answer questions they have already answered and that are obvious to the rest of us?
I have read everything and have deviated nothing. The accusation is untrue, and the quoted article was misleading.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt,
Thank you.
and assume it is a cultural or language problem for you.
I disagree. There are no language issues here. Neither is it a "cultural" problem. Perhaps you could stop jumping to unwarranted conclusions.
I am not trying to be mean;
It's alright.
it just gets very frustrating to have to continue to repeat the obvious.
Maybe you could ask Gunny to stop with the vague statements, and then the responses (in kind) would stop.
nevadamedic
06-25-2007, 02:23 AM
What problem did I avoid? Maybe you could be less vague.
:lame2:
nevadamedic
06-25-2007, 02:28 AM
I am constantly barraged with a steady stream of insults and am called offensive names. Many on here focus upon my character instead of the argument being made, but when boxed into a corner with facts, they make vague remarks such as the one above. What am I to do?
I have read everything and have deviated nothing. The accusation is untrue, and the quoted article was misleading.
Thank you.
I disagree. There are no language issues here. Neither is it a "cultural" problem. Perhaps you could stop jumping to unwarranted conclusions.
It's alright.
Maybe you could ask Gunny to stop with the vague statements, and then the responses (in kind) would stop.
No not, in my presence ever again will you talk degrading to Abbey. That woman is all heart. So quit your shit with her. She is too nice of a person to have to handle and deal with your constant bullshit. Besides im cutting into your cow worshiping time.
Rahul
06-25-2007, 03:41 AM
No not, in my presence ever again will you talk degrading to Abbey. That woman is all heart.
Maybe you could explain what I said that was so degrading to her.
So quit your shit with her. She is too nice of a person to have to handle and deal with your constant bullshit.
You sound angry and upset once again.
glockmail
06-25-2007, 07:28 AM
Yeah, and while they starve, porterhouse steaks walk unmolested up and down the street.
:laugh2:
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