PROOF: Judeo-Christian Bible Inspired of God

[Alter2Ego]

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:

There are various types of religions in existence with their own sacred books called bibles. The difference between the Judeo-Christian Bible and other religious books is that there is EVIDENCE showing it was inspired by Almighty God Jehovah. For instance, the Bible contains almost 2,000 accurately fulfilled prophesies, some written centuries before the fulfillment of the prophesied events. Secular history and archaeology bears this out. In addition, Bible writers had information that was not discovered by scientists and explorers until centuries later. Below are two such examples.

Example #1:
For a period of time in history, humans thought the earth was flat and that if one sailed too far out to sea, one was likely to sail off the earth. It was not until the 4th century B.C.E. that the Greeks theorized a spherical earth. But they were never able to prove it. By the 15th Century when Christopher Columbus claimed he discovered the new world, most Europeans correctly theorized that the earth is a circle or sphere.

It was not until after the first circumnavigation of the globe, led by Ferdinand Magellan in the year 1519 AD, that the theory of a 3-Dimensional, circular earth was supported by fact. More than 2,000 years before Ferdinand Magellan attempted to sail around the globe, the prophet Isaiah did not merely theorize but stated that the earth is a circle. Isaiah was inspired by God to write the following viewpoint description:

"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the CIRCLE of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)

SIDE NOTE: Circles can be 2D (flat) or 3D (an ORB or a SPHERE)


Example #2:
Prior to the 17th century AD, none of the best scientific minds could explain what causes the earth to be positioned in a stable orbit. Then in 1687, Isaac Newton published his theory that gravitational forces are the explanation behind the earth's stability. (Gravity is also the reason why humans can move around without fear of toppling off the earth into space.) More than 3,000 years before Newton's existence, under divine inspiration Moses wrote the viewpoint description that the earth hangs upon nothing (indicating invisible gravity), as follows:

"He [God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing;" (Job 26:7)


DISCUSSION QUESTIONS:
1. How could Isaiah have known that the earth is circular, considering that the writing of the book of Isaiah was completed in 732 B.C.E. and it wasn't until the 16th century AD/CE that Ferdinand Magellan proved the earth is a 3D circle when he circumnavigated the globe in 1519 AD/CE— -- 2,251 years AFTER Isaiah wrote that the earth is a circle?
http://didyouknow.org/sailing/
http://www.rmg.co.uk/magellan


2. How did Moses know that the earth hangs upon nothing, indicating invisible gravity, considering that the book of Job was completed in 1473 B.C.E. and it wasn't until 1687 AD/CE that Isaac Newton published his theory about gravitational forces -- 3,160 years AFTER Moses wrote that the earth hangs upon nothing?
http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blnewton.htm


3. Where did Isaiah and Moses get this info?

[jafar00]

"Inspired by". So not the actual word of God. That explains the errors and the complete departure from previous scripture such as found in the new testament.

I prefer the Final Testament. The Qur'aan :)

[jafar00]

Example #1:
For a period of time in history, humans thought the earth was flat and that if one sailed too far out to sea, one was likely to sail off the earth. It was not until the 4th century B.C.E. that the Greeks theorized a spherical earth. But they were never able to prove it. By the 15th Century when Christopher Columbus claimed he discovered the new world, most Europeans correctly theorized that the earth is a circle or sphere.

It was not until after the first circumnavigation of the globe, led by Ferdinand Magellan in the year 1519 AD, that the theory of a 3-Dimensional, circular earth was supported by fact. More than 2,000 years before Ferdinand Magellan attempted to sail around the globe, the prophet Isaiah did not merely theorize but stated that the earth is a circle. Isaiah was inspired by God to write the following viewpoint description:

"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the CIRCLE of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)

SIDE NOTE: Circles can be 2D (flat) or 3D (an ORB or a SPHERE)

The Qur'aan is more accurate.

The Earth is not round, it is flattened, or egg shaped.

وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا
And after that He spread the earth (Dahaahaa means Egg shaped) (79:30)

Strange but True: Earth Is Not Round (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-is-not-round/)It may seem round when viewed from space, but our planet is actually a bumpy spheroid (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-is-not-round/)



Example #2:
Prior to the 17th century AD, none of the best scientific minds could explain what causes the earth to be positioned in a stable orbit. Then in 1687, Isaac Newton published his theory that gravitational forces are the explanation behind the earth's stability. (Gravity is also the reason why humans can move around without fear of toppling off the earth into space.) More than 3,000 years before Newton's existence, under divine inspiration Moses wrote the viewpoint description that the earth hangs upon nothing (indicating invisible gravity), as follows:

"He [God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing;" (Job 26:7)

Interestingly there is a similar verse in the Qur'aan with the additional information that the mountains stabilise the Earth while it revolves.


خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا ۖ وَأَلْقَىٰ فِي الْأَرْضِ رَوَاسِيَ أَن تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ وَبَثَّ فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ دَابَّةٍ ۚ وَأَنزَلْنَا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ كَرِيمٍ

He created the heavens without any pillars visible to you and He placed mountains in the earth as pegs lest it should turn topsy turvy with you, and He dispersed all kinds of animals over the earth, and sent down water from the sky causing all kinds of excellent plants to grow on it. (31:10)

And more examples of gravity

إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُمْسِكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ أَن تَزُولَا ۚ وَلَئِن زَالَتَا إِنْ أَمْسَكَهُمَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ مِّن بَعْدِهِ ۚ إِنَّهُ كَانَ حَلِيمًا غَفُورًا
Surely Allah holds the heavens and the earth, lest they should be displaced there, for if they were displaced none would be able to hold them after Him. Surely He is Most Forbearing, Most Forgiving. (35:41)

We are even told about getting into space. Gravity is strong and if we want to escape it, we need something powerful.... like a rocket perhaps? :)


يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أَن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أَقْطَارِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ فَانفُذُوا ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطَانٍ
O company of jinn and men, if you have the power to go beyond the bounds of the heavens and the earth, go beyond them! Yet you will be unable to go beyond them for that requires infinite power. (55:33)


The proof of science game is very interesting. I also enjoy it :)

[aboutime]

The Qur'aan is more accurate.

The Earth is not round, it is flattened, or egg shaped.

وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا
And after that He spread the earth (Dahaahaa means Egg shaped) (79:30)

Strange but True: Earth Is Not Round (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-is-not-round/)

It may seem round when viewed from space, but our planet is actually a bumpy spheroid (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earth-is-not-round/)




Interestingly there is a similar verse in the Qur'aan with the additional information that the mountains stabilise the Earth while it revolves.


خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا ۖ وَأَلْقَىٰ فِي الْأَرْضِ رَوَاسِيَ أَن تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ وَبَثَّ فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ دَابَّةٍ ۚ وَأَنزَلْنَا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَاءً فَأَنبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِن كُلِّ زَوْجٍ كَرِيمٍ

He created the heavens without any pillars visible to you and He placed mountains in the earth as pegs lest it should turn topsy turvy with you, and He dispersed all kinds of animals over the earth, and sent down water from the sky causing all kinds of excellent plants to grow on it. (31:10)

And more examples of gravity

إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُمْسِكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ أَن تَزُولَا ۚ وَلَئِن زَالَتَا إِنْ أَمْسَكَهُمَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ مِّن بَعْدِهِ ۚ إِنَّهُ كَانَ حَلِيمًا غَفُورًا
Surely Allah holds the heavens and the earth, lest they should be displaced there, for if they were displaced none would be able to hold them after Him. Surely He is Most Forbearing, Most Forgiving. (35:41)

We are even told about getting into space. Gravity is strong and if we want to escape it, we need something powerful.... like a rocket perhaps? :)


يَا مَعْشَرَ الْجِنِّ وَالْإِنسِ إِنِ اسْتَطَعْتُمْ أَن تَنفُذُوا مِنْ أَقْطَارِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ فَانفُذُوا ۚ لَا تَنفُذُونَ إِلَّا بِسُلْطَانٍ
O company of jinn and men, if you have the power to go beyond the bounds of the heavens and the earth, go beyond them! Yet you will be unable to go beyond them for that requires infinite power. (55:33)


The proof of science game is very interesting. I also enjoy it :)







jafar. The shape of the Earth is NOT like your empty container, sitting on your shoulders above the YELLOW streak.

[Noir]

Formatting fail.

[Noir]

Well this is a jolly thread, with two off the most vague "examples" of "evidence" you are ever likely to read xD



"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the CIRCLE of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)

SIDE NOTE: Circles can be 2D (flat) or 3D (an ORB or a SPHERE)

CENTRE NOTE: Circles can not be 3D. A circle is Euclidean shape, and is defined as existing within one plane. You can't change mathematics in a 'side note' and expect to get away with it.


Prior to the 17th century AD, none of the best scientific minds could explain what causes the earth to be positioned in a stable orbit.

The reason the earth is positioned in a stable orbit is because of the conservation of angular momentum. Not mentioned in your bible quotes presented.


...stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon nothing;" (Job 26:7)

Again amusingly vague, what instead if the passage read "He [God] is stretching out the north over the empty place, hanging the earth upon something;"?
You would currently be saying 'That something referred to was gravity, how did moses know? Proof!'

I don't find these examples overly impressive, if you do, good luck.

[Alter2Ego]

"Inspired by". So not the actual word of God. That explains the errors and the complete departure from previous scripture such as found in the new testament.

I prefer the Final Testament. The Qur'aan :)

ALTER2EGO -to- JAFAR00:

The expression "inspired by," with reference to Scripture in the Judeo-Christian Bible = "the word of God."

The role of the dozens of men who penned the words of the 66 books within the Bible played is similar to a secretary who is instructed by an employer to write a letter on the employer's behalf. The thoughts in the letter are those of the employer despite the fact the secretary wrote the letter in his or her own words.


"Inspired by". So not the actual word of God. That explains the errors and the complete departure from previous scripture such as found in the new testament.

I prefer the Final Testament. The Qur'aan :)

What errors are you referring to? You have not identified any.

[Alter2Ego]

"{22} There is One who is dwelling above the CIRCLE of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gaze, who spread them out like a tent in which to dwell, {28} Have you not come to know or have you not heard? Jehovah, the Creator of the extremities of the earth, is a God to time indefinite. He does not tire out or grow weary. There is no searching out of his understanding." (Isaiah 40:22 and 28)

SIDE NOTE: Circles can be 2D (flat) or 3D (an ORB or a SPHERE)

CENTRE NOTE: Circles can not be 3D. A circle is Euclidean shape, and is defined as existing within one plane. You can't change mathematics in a 'side note' and expect to get away with it.


ALTER2EGO -to- NOIR:

As stated in my opening post, Circles are 2D as well as 3D. Below are websites where the word "circle" is defined as "orb" and "sphere"—both of which are 3D objects. Both websites even reference the Biblical quotation from Isaiah as part of their definition.


Definition #4 on this website defines CIRCLE as a "sphere" or "orb," both of which are 3D objects. In fact, the definition even uses the example of the quotation from Isaiah 40:22.

"A round body; a sphere; an orb
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth."

http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/circle



Definition #13 on this website again defines CIRCLE as 3D objects: "sphere" and "orb". This definition also ties in the quotation from Isaiah 40:22.

"a sphere or orb:
the circle of the earth."

http://www.definitions.net/definition/CIRCLE

[Noir]

ALTER2EGO -to- NOIR:

As stated in my opening post, Circles are 2D as well as 3D. Below are websites where the word "circle" is defined as "orb" and "sphere"—both of which are 3D objects. Both websites even reference the Biblical quotation from Isaiah as part of their definition.


Definition #4 on this website defines CIRCLE as a "sphere" or "orb," both of which are 3D objects. In fact, the definition even uses the example of the quotation from Isaiah 40:22.

"A round body; a sphere; an orb
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth."

http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/circle



Definition #13 on this website again defines CIRCLE as 3D objects: "sphere" and "orb". This definition also ties in the quotation from Isaiah 40:22.

"a sphere or orb:
the circle of the earth."

http://www.definitions.net/definition/CIRCLE

Find as many internet definitions as you like, it doesn't change mathematics.

[jimnyc]

I prefer the Final Testament. The Qur'aan :)


http://i.imgur.com/Zg3xeF4.gif

[Raman]

A globe/ Earth has no ends...

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"

http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_flat.htm

[aboutime]

"Inspired by". So not the actual word of God. That explains the errors and the complete departure from previous scripture such as found in the new testament.

I prefer the Final Testament. The Qur'aan :)

jafar. Or, something you prefer NOT to bring here in words. So, here's my interpretation from you.

http://icansayit.com/images/DOOMSDAY.jpg

[darin]

Anyone trying to PROVE their "holy" scripture completely misses the POINT of their scripture.

[jafar00]

Anyone trying to PROVE their "holy" scripture completely misses the POINT of their scripture.

I wasn't trying to prove anything. The Qur'aan isn't a science book, although there is some science in there if you look into it.

[darin]

I wasn't trying to prove anything. The Qur'aan isn't a science book, although there is some science in there if you look into it.


This was directed at the OP; not you specifically. Agreed - some ancient texts contain scientific truths; at least as-explained/identified by the common societal understanding of the day.

[Alter2Ego]

A globe/ Earth has no ends...

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"

http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_flat.htm

ALTER2EGO -to- RAMAN:

What point are you attempting to make with the above scriptural quotations? Please explain as I do not see anything significant in any of them.

[aboutime]

ALTER2EGO -to- RAMAN:

What point are you attempting to make with the above scriptural quotations? Please explain as I do not see anything significant in any of them.

Alter. If I may here? We have some members who are so deeply into quoting scripture, and using it as the END-ALL, FINAL answer to nearly everything in life. Nothing wrong with that. But strangely enough. The rest of us must deal with REALITY on a day-to-day basis. And reading the scripture will never solve common, human problems ALONE.

[Alter2Ego]

A globe/ Earth has no ends...

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"

http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_flat.htm
ALTER2EGO -to- RAMAN:

What point are you attempting to make with the above scriptural quotations? Please explain as I do not see anything significant in any of them.

Alter. If I may here? We have some members who are so deeply into quoting scripture, and using it as the END-ALL, FINAL answer to nearly everything in life. Nothing wrong with that. But strangely enough. The rest of us must deal with REALITY on a day-to-day basis. And reading the scripture will never solve common, human problems ALONE.

ALTER2EGO -to- ABOUTIME:

I am familiar with people who quote scripture and ignore context, which is what Raman is doing. But you mistakenly think Raman quoted those verses as an answer to something in life. Let me assure you that is not what is happening in this instance.

Raman quoted supposed "flat earth" scriptures to try to prove the Judeo-Christian Bible contains errors. His/her intent is to make the argument that the Bible writers thought the earth was literally flat and that therefore, the Bible is not the inspired word of Jehovah. Of course that is not what the verses are saying.


Let us see if Raman will show up and explain to the rest of us where those verses are talking about a literal flat earth.

[aboutime]

ALTER2EGO -to- ABOUTIME:

I am familiar with people who quote scripture and ignore context, which is what Raman is doing. But you mistakenly think Raman quoted those verses as an answer to something in life. Let me assure you that is not what is happening in this instance.

Raman quoted supposed "flat earth" scriptures to try to prove the Judeo-Christian Bible contains errors. His/her intent is to make the argument that the Bible writers thought the earth was literally flat and that therefore, the Bible is not the inspired word of Jehovah. Of course that is not what the verses are saying.


Let us see if Raman will show up and explain to the rest of us where those verses are talking about a literal flat earth.


Alter. As I told you in my first post to you. I will not argue about any of this. I don't really care what anyone's interpretation might be. They can say, and think whatever they want. That is their right.
I despise anyone trying to jam something so personal...down my throat because they feel so much more learned, or superior on the topic.
That, to me is hypocrisy as well.

[Alter2Ego]

Alter. As I told you in my first post to you. I will not argue about any of this. I don't really care what anyone's interpretation might be. They can say, and think whatever they want. That is their right.
I despise anyone trying to jam something so personal...down my throat because they feel so much more learned, or superior on the topic.
That, to me is hypocrisy as well.

ALTER2EGO -to- ABOUTIME:

I do not recall seeing anyone jamming anything down anyone's throat at this website thus far. Those that do not want to discuss the topic of my threads have done three things thus far:

1. They posted absolutely nothing in the thread.

2. They posted in the thread but spent the entire time arguing semantics and word meanings while avoiding the topic of the OP.

3. They posted skeptical remarks and then disappeared from the thread.

[aboutime]

ALTER2EGO -to- ABOUTIME:

I do not recall seeing anyone jamming anything down anyone's throat at this website thus far. Those that do not want to discuss the topic of my threads have done three things thus far:

1. They posted absolutely nothing in the thread.

2. They posted in the thread but spent the entire time arguing semantics and word meanings while avoiding the topic of the OP.

3. They posted skeptical remarks and then disappeared from the thread.

Alter. If you'd care to re-read what I said. At no time did I mention anyone's name, or accuse anyone here of doing what I said.
Which should have been a clue to you, as to why I did not wish to be involved in such discussions, or those semantic, rhetorical arguments.

[Raman]

ALTER2EGO -to- ABOUTIME:

I am familiar with people who quote scripture and ignore context, which is what Raman is doing. But you mistakenly think Raman quoted those verses as an answer to something in life. Let me assure you that is not what is happening in this instance.

Raman quoted supposed "flat earth" scriptures to try to prove the Judeo-Christian Bible contains errors. His/her intent is to make the argument that the Bible writers thought the earth was literally flat and that therefore, the Bible is not the inspired word of Jehovah. Of course that is not what the verses are saying.


Let us see if Raman will show up and explain to the rest of us where those verses are talking about a literal flat earth.

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"


Not a flat earth, my illiterate comrade. The quoted texts assume a geocentric solar system in which Earth is stationary. The reality is a heliocentric system in which earth and sun both orbit a spot between their centers (often simplified to Earth orbiting Sol).

It seems there are many illiterate persons on this board.

[aboutime]

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"
"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"
"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"


Not a flat earth, my illiterate comrade. The quoted texts assume a geocentric solar system in which Earth is stationary. The reality is a heliocentric system in which earth and sun both orbit a spot between their centers (often simplified to Earth orbiting Sol).

It seems there are many illiterate persons on this board.



Raman. Just wondering how old you are. I ask because I remember the 60's, and being in Greenwich Village, New York City in uniform. Getting to see what the word HIPPY, and DRUGGED OUT meant in person. In fact. In Washington Square. We stood and watched people who sounded much like you do here...standing on ORANGE crates, reciting their own Poem's, and claiming they had just witnessed THE HAND OF GOD...forcing them to do PSYHADELIC drugs to make them FLOAT across the city...without touching the ground!:laugh:

[Alter2Ego]

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"

"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"

"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"

"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"


Not a flat earth, my illiterate comrade. The quoted texts assume a geocentric solar system in which Earth is stationary. The reality is a heliocentric system in which earth and sun both orbit a spot between their centers (often simplified to Earth orbiting Sol).

It seems there are many illiterate persons on this board.

ALTER2EGO -to- RAMAN:

Before you start calling anyone illiterate, you should first work on your reading-comprehension skills, especially so you can read scripture and get the correct understanding of what you are reading.

The quoted scriptures do not assume a geocentric solar system with a stationary earth. None of the verses you presented above are talking about a literal stationary Earth. You are reading figurative speech, but because of your poor reading habit—cherry picking words and ignoring context—you end up not understanding what you are reading. Notice the break-down below of the first verse from list.


"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"

The expression: "it can never be moved" is merely the translator's choice of word for the New International Version (NIV Bible), which means literally that the earth is permanent and will never be destroyed. Notice the same verse from two other Bibles. Notice the words that are bolded within the quotations.

"He [Jehovah] laid the earth upon its foundations: it shall not be removed for ever." (Psalms 104:5 -- Darby Bible Translation)


"He [Jehovah] has founded the earth upon its established places; it will not be made to totter to time indefinite, or forever." (Psalms 104:5) -- New World Translation)

So Darby Bible makes it clear that the words "not be moved" is the same as "not be removed," while the New World Translation uses the words "not be made to totter," which also refers to permanence.

Proof that Psalms 104:5 is talking about the permanence of the earth's existence is found within the context (surrounding chapters). Below is a verse from one of the surrounding chapters that is directly related to Psalms 104:5. Again, notice the words that are in bold print.


"And he [Jehovah] began to build his sanctuary just like the heights, like the earth that he has founded to time indefinite." (Psalms 78:69 -- New World Translation)

[Alter2Ego]

"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 104:5)"

"The LORD reigns, he is robed in majesty; the LORD is robed in majesty and is armed with strength. The world [The deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established; it cannot be moved. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 93:1)"

"Say among the nations, "The LORD reigns." The world [Again, the deceiving translators should've said "earth", not "world"] is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 96:10)"

"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"


Not a flat earth, my illiterate comrade. The quoted texts assume a geocentric solar system in which Earth is stationary. The reality is a heliocentric system in which earth and sun both orbit a spot between their centers (often simplified to Earth orbiting Sol).

It seems there are many illiterate persons on this board.

ALTER2EGO -to- RAMAN:

I will now debunk your remaining "stationary earth" verses from the book of Psalms. Notice below.

Because every single chapter in the book of Psalms have the same context (they all have the same surrounding words, verses and chapters because they are part of the same book entitled "Psalms"), you are basically giving me wash, rinse, and repeat by quoting the very same language about the permanence of the Earth from the very same book of Psalms.


Just in case your reading-comprehension skills have not improved after you read my previous post, let me elaborate:

Psalms 104:5, Psalms 93:1, and Psalms 96:10 are all talking about the permanence of Earth, the fact that Earth will never be destroyed. This is confirmed by what is stated at Psalms 78:69, quoted below.


"And he [Jehovah] began to build his sanctuary just like the heights, like the earth that he has founded to time indefinite." (Psalms 78:69 -- New World Translation)


I will debunk Ecclesiastes 1:5 the next time I log in.