1500 year old bible confirms that jesus christ was not crucified – vatican in awe

[jafar00]

This is amazing! The Gospel of Barnabas basically reads like an Islamic text!

What do the Christians on this forum think about the Gospel of Barnabas and how does it affect your beliefs seeing as Barnabas was one of the Twelve Apostles?


Much to the dismay of the Vatican, an approx. 1500-2000 year old bible was found in Turkey, in the Ethnography Museum of Ankara. Discovered and kept secret in the year 2000, the book contains the Gospel of Barnabas – a disciple of Christ – which shows that Jesus was not crucified, nor was he the son of God, but a Prophet. The book also calls Apostle Paul “The Impostor”. The book also claims that Jesus ascended to heaven alive, and that Judas Iscariot was crucified in his place.
A report by The National Turk (http://www.nationalturk.com/en/1500-year-old-syriac-bible-found-in-ankara-turkey-16624) says that the Bible was seized from a gang of smugglers in a Mediterranean-area operation. The report states the gang was charged with smuggling antiquities, illegal excavations, and the possession of explosives. The books itself is valued as high as 40 Million Turkish Liras (approx. 28 mil. Dollars). Man, where is the Thieves Guild, when you need them?
Authenticity
According to reports, experts and religious authorities in Tehram insist that the book is original. The book itself is written with gold lettering, onto loosely-tied leather in Aramaic, the language of Jesus Christ. The text maintains a vision similar to Islam, contradicting the New Testament’s teachings of Christianity. Jesus also foresees the coming of the Prophet Muhammad, who would found Islam 700 years later.
It is believed that, during the Council of Nicea (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11044a.htm), the Catholic Church hand-picked the gospels that form the Bible as we know it today; omitting the Gospel of Barnabas (among many others) in favor of the four canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Many biblical texts have begun to surface over time, including those of the Dead Sea and Gnostic Gospels; but this book especially, seems to worry the Vatican.
The Catholic Church wants in
What does this mean to Christian-derived religions and their followers? Quite a tight spot. The Vatican has asked Turkish authorities to let them examine the contents of the book within the Church. Now that the book has been found, will they come to accept the it and its evidence? Will they deny it altogether? Call it a “Muslim lie”, as did the “Truth” Magazine, in 2000? To many, this book is a beacon of hope, that believers soon realize that the object of their adoration is arbitrary; and that all text, especially religious text, is subject to interpretation.
What does this mean to atheists/agnostics/secular thinkers? Is the text real? Fake? Does it matter? Hopefully, this news inspires the religious to ask questions, instead of pointing fingers or believing anything blindly. Please, don’t go poking fun or tossing around the “I told you so!”s. The biggest danger of faith is when people believe what they want to believe, defending against any and all evidence; especially when that evidence revolutionizes their foundation from the ground up. And the biggest culprit to that danger is the ego trap: rejecting/criticizing others, for being unlike you. For centuries, the “defense” of blind faith has driven nations to war, violence, discrimination, slavery and to become the society of automatons that we are today; and for just as long, it has been justified with lies. If you know better, act like it.

http://sonsonthepyre.com/1500-year-old-bible-confirms-that-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified-vatican-in-awe/

[Little-Acorn]

Is the ink dry on it yet?

[fj1200]

The Gospel of Barnabas ‘hoax’ (http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/bibbia-bible-biblia-13182/)
But alas, this extraordinary discovery is probably a hoax, the work of a forger who, according to some, could have been a European Jewish scholar from the Middle Ages. The most factual criticisms have come from the Syriacs. Indeed, anyone who speaks modern Assyrian (also known as neo-Aramaic) will find the inscription on the so-called ‘Gospel of Barnabas’ easy to read. However errors are just as easy to make out. Apparently, the main inscription, in a modern transliteration, reads: ‘b-shimmit maran paish kteewa aha ktawa al idateh d-rabbaneh d-dera illaya b-ninweh b'sheeta d-alpa w-khamshamma d-maran’. This apparently means: ‘In the name of the Lord, this book is written by monks of the high monastery in Nineveh in the 1500th year of our Lord.’ There is not enough space here to go through the grammatical and conceptual errors in detail, but experts in modern Assyrian assure us that they are obvious and quite significant. Apart from anything else, the inscription says ‘book’, but one never refers to a bible in Assyrian with the word ‘book’. The Bible is either referred to as New or Old Testament, or Holy Book. It is quite unlikely that monks could have made such obvious mistakes.

[fj1200]

This is amazing! The Gospel of Barnabas basically reads like an Islamic text!

What do the Christians on this forum think about the Gospel of Barnabas and how does it affect your beliefs seeing as Barnabas was one of the Twelve Apostles?

Of course that doesn't mean it was written by Barnabas but nevertheless, if it were true wouldn't that put Jesus on the same footing as Muhammad?

[jafar00]

The Gospel of Barnabas ‘hoax’ (http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/bibbia-bible-biblia-13182/)



Of course the Vatican would say that. Their whole house of cards would come crashing down if it became widely accepted.


Of course that doesn't mean it was written by Barnabas but nevertheless, if it were true wouldn't that put Jesus on the same footing as Muhammad?

Of course. They were both Prophets.

[fj1200]

Of course the Vatican would say that. Their whole house of cards would come crashing down if it became widely accepted.

No comment on the errors?

Besides, I think you overplayed your hand with "confirmed." :poke:

[aboutime]

Don't really care. I still insist. If EVERYONE just decided to MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, and stop interfering with what others say, do, or think. And stop trying to rewrite History to appease the mentally disabled who need constant attention because someone, or somebody insulted, or offended them. We might all get along much better.

But, I am reminded of General Tommy Franks who said: "YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!"

That seems to apply across the entire spectrum of humanity today.

[Gaffer]

Just happens to have been discovered in Turkey, imagine that. Maybe it can be included in the Lost Books of the Bible. There is some interesting reading. So is the Gnostic bible.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Just happens to have been discovered in Turkey, imagine that. Maybe it can be included in the Lost Books of the Bible. There is some interesting reading. So is the Gnostic bible.

Give me that book, a turkey sandwich and a 50 spot and I could have a high ole time tonight. Burn the trash, eat da sandwich and save the 50 spot for a rainy day!!!
I could just see the drool and slobber dripping when Jafar thought he could elevate his child molester over that of the true Saviour!!!
Flying SPAGHETTI MONSTER wrote Mohamboy sold Allah books for a copper coin and a BJ...:laugh:-Tyr

[NightTrain]

It's clearly not authentic.

In the future though, Jafar, you should probably link to a site a tad more... reputable... than a muslim musician's blog.

[Voted4Reagan]

This is amazing! The Gospel of Barnabas basically reads like an Islamic text!



Where do you think the Koran was derived from? It comes from the early writings of the Christians and was changed by it's authors to help convert people to the fledgling religion of Islam.

Do you think the Koran is a Unique text delivered to a singular man? No.. It has elements of Christianity, Judaism and other religions in it.

Islam is a hodge podge of writings of different religions.,... just like Judaism and Christianity.

Islam just had more to "Borrow" from the others seeing that it came well after the establishment of Christian and Jewish religions.

[Jeff]

This is amazing! The Gospel of Barnabas basically reads like an Islamic text!

What do the Christians on this forum think about the Gospel of Barnabas and how does it affect your beliefs seeing as Barnabas was one of the Twelve Apostles?


http://sonsonthepyre.com/1500-year-old-bible-confirms-that-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified-vatican-in-awe/

Another Hate site :rolleyes:


Please don't feed the Muslin trolls :laugh:

:lame2::bsflag::trolls:Many more can fit but you got the idea !!!


I am starting to worry about jafar, he got awful excited thinking his religion of peace ( better known as the religion filled with animals ) was all that, how can any human being seeing the violence this religion puts forward be excited about it, hmmm yes :terror::terror::terror:

[jimnyc]

1500 year old bible confirms that jesus christ was not crucified – vatican in awe

"confirms"? - Tell me, Jafar - WHO did all this confirming? And the Vatican is in "awe"? Who wrote this article, someone in grade school?

Try this link and come back with mainstream news sites even covering this "story".

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=1500+year+old+bible

[aboutime]

More of the "jafar propaganda program'.

Kinda reminds me of our version of the democratunderground site.

Hatred spills from every pore, and bleeds from the empty vacuum of liberal dysfunctionalism.

[NightTrain]

The Vatican was hardly "in awe". It was quickly dismissed as a hoax.

It was written about 500 years ago, in 1500 AD -- not 1500 years ago. Muhammed came along and started the whole islam business about 600 AD.

It's understandable that muslims want this book to be legit, because then they'd have proof in the bible about the coming of muhammed being foretold, but their claim doesn't hold water for several reasons.


Vatican Insider deduced the Bible as a fraud. They were able to translate some of the inscribed text in the beginning of the book, and it read, "In the name of the Lord, this book is written by monks of the high monastery in Nineveh in the 1500th year of our Lord." One of the main problems they saw with this intro is some of the language used. For one, monks would never refer to the Bible as just a "book," but rather a "Holy Book" or "Old and New Testament." There were also a number of grammatical and conceptual errors in the original language.

Another thing the book does is reject the Trinity, and it treats Jesus as a human, reported Vatican Insider.
The Gospel of Barnabas appears to mix facts from both the Bible and the Qur'an all while not fully leaning toward either of them because it gets facts wrong on both accounts. At some points of the text, it makes it seem as Jesus and Muhammad are the same person.


At the end of the Vatican's study they concluded the book was written by a Jewish man in the Middle Ages who was familiar with both Islam and Christianity. In one of the sentences in the book it refers to a unit of measurement in pounds. Vatican Insider, reported that pounds did not become a unit of weight until the Ottoman empire, which helps them date the manuscript at its earliest.


The only thing valuable about this book is the gold leaf used in it.

I think it's humorous that muslims are falling all over themselves to promote a hoax written by a Jew, of all people... and I don't think Turkey will be allowing scientific testing of it anytime soon. :laugh:

[jafar00]

Where do you think the Koran was derived from? It comes from the early writings of the Christians and was changed by it's authors to help convert people to the fledgling religion of Islam.

Do you think the Koran is a Unique text delivered to a singular man? No.. It has elements of Christianity, Judaism and other religions in it.

Islam is a hodge podge of writings of different religions.,... just like Judaism and Christianity.

Islam just had more to "Borrow" from the others seeing that it came well after the establishment of Christian and Jewish religions.

It's quite clear that the Qur'aan is a continuation of the Torah and Gospels but they were corrupted and people went astray which is why the message came again through another Prophet, Mohamed (saw).


It's clearly not authentic.

In the future though, Jafar, you should probably link to a site a tad more... reputable... than a muslim musician's blog.

OK

http://www.latintimes.com/1500-year-old-bible-discovered-turkey-indicates-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified-171471
http://www.breathecast.com/articles/gospel-of-barnabas-fake-recently-uncovered-text-draws-questions-of-ties-between-jesus-and-muhammad-15572/
http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/1500-year-old-bible-claims-jesus-was-never-crucified/
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/664544-1500-year-old-bible-rediscovered-in-turkey-ancient-document-reportedly-written-in-syriac/
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/1500-year-old-syriac-bible-finds-a-home-in-turkey/2013/12/14/


Another Hate site :rolleyes:


Please don't feed the Muslin trolls :laugh:


Hey! I wear good quality cotton. Muslin is for making cheese and greek yoghurt. :p


"confirms"? - Tell me, Jafar - WHO did all this confirming? And the Vatican is in "awe"? Who wrote this article, someone in grade school?

Try this link and come back with mainstream news sites even covering this "story".

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=1500+year+old+bible

"Confirms" comes from the title of the web page. I don't believe in altering titles as I post them.


The Vatican was hardly "in awe". It was quickly dismissed as a hoax.

It was written about 500 years ago, in 1500 AD -- not 1500 years ago. Muhammed came along and started the whole islam business about 600 AD.

It's understandable that muslims want this book to be legit, because then they'd have proof in the bible about the coming of muhammed being foretold, but their claim doesn't hold water for several reasons.

The only thing valuable about this book is the gold leaf used in it.

I think it's humorous that muslims are falling all over themselves to promote a hoax written by a Jew, of all people... and I don't think Turkey will be allowing scientific testing of it anytime soon. :laugh:

It is reported to be 1500-2000 years old which would put it before Islam.

They rejected it because it goes against what they have decided that Christianity is. Without the crucifixion and the Trinity, Christianity is nothing. This kind of thing directly challenges Christian belief so I understand why you would be upset about it.

[NightTrain]

They rejected it because it goes against what they have decided that Christianity is. Without the crucifixion and the Trinity, Christianity is nothing. This kind of thing directly challenges Christian belief so I understand why you would be upset about it.


No, smart one... the monks that wrote it stated that they did so in 1500 AD. :poke:


Re-read my post.

[Voted4Reagan]

It's quite clear that the Qur'aan is a continuation of the Torah and Gospels but they were corrupted and people went astray which is why the message came again through another Prophet, Mohamed (saw).


no...It is not a continuation... it is an ADAPTATION.

Islam took Christian teachings as their own and changed the names and some passages. They added a few things and deleted others.

Mohammed only offered his own interpretation of teachings thousands of years old.

The Koran is nothing but the Muslim version of the Bible and the Torah.

The Koran was adapted to include christian and Jewish teachings in an effort to win converts in the early day of the Christian Faith.

Just like Christianity did with Pagans

Islam is just another attempt by men to win converts to what they consider to be " THE TRUE FAITH".

As for the "GOSPEL" of Barnabas... It has been a known hoax for centuries.
http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/masihiyyen/barnabas/rescue.html

[jimnyc]

http://www.latintimes.com/1500-year-old-bible-discovered-turkey-indicates-jesus-christ-was-not-crucified-171471
http://www.breathecast.com/articles/gospel-of-barnabas-fake-recently-uncovered-text-draws-questions-of-ties-between-jesus-and-muhammad-15572/
http://guardianlv.com/2014/05/1500-year-old-bible-claims-jesus-was-never-crucified/
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/664544-1500-year-old-bible-rediscovered-in-turkey-ancient-document-reportedly-written-in-syriac/
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/1500-year-old-syriac-bible-finds-a-home-in-turkey/2013/12/14/

Are you serious with those? They are shit sites running with the same story. That's not corroboration. And do you REALLY consider a single one of those to be "mainstream"? If this was 5% legit, every major news station and paper in the world would be running with it. I even helped you with a Google search, you couldn't find a prominent media outlet? Don't feel bad, I went 20 pages deep and all I found was garbage sites like you just posted that are repeating the same story.


"Confirms" comes from the title of the web page. I don't believe in altering titles as I post them.

Neither do I - but you posted it, and apparently believed it, so I directed my questions to you.

[aboutime]

Are you serious with those? They are shit sites running with the same story. That's not corroboration. And do you REALLY consider a single one of those to be "mainstream"? If this was 5% legit, every major news station and paper in the world would be running with it. I even helped you with a Google search, you couldn't find a prominent media outlet? Don't feel bad, I went 20 pages deep and all I found was garbage sites like you just posted that are repeating the same story.



Neither do I - but you posted it, and apparently believed it, so I directed my questions to you.


Jim. To jafar. All of those links are PURE "PROPAGANDA".
Jafar is so blinded by his own ignorance. He's like an Australian version of Obama...the Muslim Brotherhood Puppet, and Roach.

[fj1200]

It's quite clear that the Qur'aan is a continuation of the Torah and Gospels...

Stipulating to that, why is there such animosity between Muslims and the two other major religions; Judaism and Christianity?

[DragonStryk72]

Of course the Vatican would say that. Their whole house of cards would come crashing down if it became widely accepted.



Of course. They were both Prophets.

Um, dude, it's written in modern Syriac, a language that didn't even exist for hundreds of years after Christ. That has nothing to do with the Vatican, it has to do with centuries of time after the fact.

Then we get into the list of anachronisms that are seriously out of place, such as Christ supposedly being born during the reign of Pontius Pilate instead of Herod, which is several decades separated. Here a list:




It has Jesus sailing across the Sea of Galilee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galilee) to Nazareth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth) – which is actually inland; and from thence going "up" to Capernaum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capernaum) – which is actually on the lakeside (chapters 20–21); though this is contested by Blackhirst (http://www.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au/sae/arts/barnabas/criticism.html), who says that the traditional location of Nazareth is itself questionable.
Jesus is said to have been born during the rule of Pontius Pilate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate), which began after the year 26.
Barnabas appears not to realize that "Christ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ)" and "Messiah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah)" are synonyms, "Christ" (khristos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khristos)) being a Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language) translation of the word messiah (mashiach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mashiach)), both having the meaning of "anointed". The Gospel of Barnabas thus errs in describing Jesus as "Jesus Christ" (lit. "Messiah Jesus" in Greek), yet claiming that 'Jesus confessed and said the truth, "I am not the Messiah"' (ch. 42).
There is reference to a jubilee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_%28Christian%29) which is to be held every hundred years (Chapter 82), rather than every fifty years as described in Leviticus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviticus): 25. This anachronism appears to link the Gospel of Barnabas to the declaration of a Holy Year in 1300 by Pope Boniface VIII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Boniface_VIII); a Jubilee which he then decreed should be repeated every hundred years. In 1343 the interval between Holy Years was reduced by Pope Clement VI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Clement_VI) to fifty years.[16] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas#cite_note-Ragg_1907_xiii-16)
Adam and Eve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve) eat an apple (ch. 40); whereas the traditional association of the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_the_Knowledge_of_Good_and_Evil) (Book of Genesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Genesis) 2:9,17; 3:5) with the apple rests on the translation of the Hebrew Bible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_Bible) into Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin), where both 'apple' and 'evil' are rendered as 'malum'.
The Gospel talks of wine being stored in wooden casks (chapter 152). Wooden casks were a characteristic of Gaul and Northern Italy, and were not commonly used for wine in the Roman empire until after 300 CE; whereas wine in 1st century Palestine was always stored in wineskins and jars (amphorae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphora)). The Pedunculate or English Oak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Oak) Quercus robur does not grow in Palestine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine); and the wood of other species is not sufficiently airtight to be used in wine casks,[55] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas#cite_note-55)
In Chapter 91, the "Forty Days" is referred to as an annual fast.[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas#cite_note-Ragg_1907_xxxiii-36) This corresponds to the Christian tradition of fasting for forty days in Lent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lent); a practice that is not witnessed earlier than the Council of Nicaea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea) (325). Nor is there a forty days' fast in Judaism of the period (see Mishnah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mishnah) Tractate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tractatus_%28disambiguation%29) Ta'anit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%27anit_%28tractate%29), "Days of Fasting").
Where the Gospel of Barnabas includes quotations from the Old Testament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Testament), these correspond to readings as found in the Latin Vulgate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgate) rather than as found in either the Greek Septuagint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint), or the Hebrew Masoretic Text (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text). The Latin Vulgate translation was a work that St. Jerome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Jerome) began in 382 AD, centuries after the death of Barnabas.[56] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas#cite_note-56)
In Chapter 54 it says: "For he would get in change a piece of gold must have sixty mites" (Italian minuti). In the New Testament period, the only golden coin, the aureus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aureus), was worth approximately 3,200 of the smallest bronze coin, the lepton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_lepton) (translated into Latin as minuti); while the Roman standard silver coin, the denarius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius), was worth 128 leptons. The rate of exchange of 1:60 implied in the Gospel of Barnabas was, however, a commonplace of late medieval interpretation of the counterpart passage in the canonical Gospels (Mark 12:42), arising from the standard medieval understanding of minuti as meaning 'a sixtieth part'.
Chapter 91 records three contending Jewish armies 200,000 strong at Mizpeh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizpeh), totaling 600,000 men, at a time when the Roman army across the entire Empire had a total strength estimated as 300,000.
In Chapter 119 Jesus instances sugar and gold as substances of equivalent rarity and value. Although the properties of sugar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar) had been known in India in antiquity, it was not traded as a sweetener until industrial-scale production developed in the 6th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_sugar). From the 11th to 15th centuries, the sugar trade into Europe was an Arab monopoly, and its value was often compared with gold. From the mid-15th century, however, large-scale sugar estates were established in the Canary Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary_Islands) and the Azores (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azores), and sugar, although still a luxury item, ceased to be exceptionally rare.[57] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas#cite_note-57)



None of those points have anything to do with the Vatican, just the history of the actual, real world.