Can feminists just shut their trap about Pitbull?

[tailfins]

I get tired of crap like this:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/sara-cox-takes-on-rapper-pitbull-he-makes-my-soul-weep-with-the-way-he-sings-about-women-9436601.html


I actually liked him better when he was "Mr. 305" (Miami area code) rather than "Mr. Worldwide". So, I will again post a song by Armando Perez before he had to put up with the bullcrap.


So, put it there, culos! (culo = ass or asshole)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQUd4sAVmNI

[jimnyc]

Perhaps he ain't the greatest guy, dunno. I only know that my sister is in love with him. But like any other musical artist, and there are TONS I can't stand - switch the damn station if you don't like the music. And he's far from the first who talks smack about women and his escapades. All radio sucks - unless they're playing my music. :)

[Nukeman]

So where is all the feigned uproar over all the black rappers?!!?!??!? They have been saying much worse for decades...

[aboutime]

"Musical Artist?" Really? Where? This kind of noise. YES...I said Noise, is one of the best signs that more fully describe how LOW our society has fallen. And continues to fall.

Calling this stuff Music, is an insult, and offensive to actual, musicians, song writers, and lyricists from the past, and the future.

My apologies to anyone who honestly believes anyone who calls themselves PITBULLS is in it for anything but making money on the backs of the Perpetually Ignorant.

[gabosaurus]

We female people prefer good old fashion country songs like this one. Give it a listen. :cool:

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[tailfins]

We female people prefer good old fashion country songs like this one. Give it a listen. :cool:



1) Pitbull isn't married
2) A disinterested boyfriend would love to see a psycho ex-girlfriend do that and become a convicted felon.

[Jeff]

We female people prefer good old fashion country songs like this one. Give it a listen. :cool:

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Gabs I am surprised you would like a good ol conservative country girl !!! With that said I laugh at this video, if she had destroyed a classic car like that I am afraid she may of been beat to death but she certainly would of dealt with the law, but it is very entertaining and many woman ( my wife included ) thought she was a hero when this first came out :laugh: OOO yea and giving the fact that she is drop dead gorgeous doesn't hurt her much either, when she was on American Idol my kids would yell here comes Daddy's GF every time she took the stage ( I am old not blind LOL )

[Noir]

You get tired of people moaning about music artists.

Others get tired if hearing rape and female-objectification pour out of speakers.

I know which i'd consider more of an issue.

[jimnyc]

You get tired of people moaning about music artists.

Others get tired if hearing rape and female-objectification pour out of speakers.

I know which i'd consider more of an issue.

Simple, switch the station. Don't buy their CD's or anything at all. I'd say neither is an "issue".

[gabosaurus]

Gabs I am surprised you would like a good ol conservative country girl !!! With that said I laugh at this video, if she had destroyed a classic car like that I am afraid she may of been beat to death but she certainly would of dealt with the law, but it is very entertaining and many woman ( my wife included ) thought she was a hero when this first came out :laugh: OOO yea and giving the fact that she is drop dead gorgeous doesn't hurt her much either, when she was on American Idol my kids would yell here comes Daddy's GF every time she took the stage ( I am old not blind LOL )

Carrie Underwood is one of my daughter's favorites.
I remember the video coming out and men saying "Oh, she would get in real trouble for doing that!" And I would reply "depends on how many women were on the jury." :cool:

[tailfins]

Carrie Underwood is one of my daughter's favorites.
I remember the video coming out and men saying "Oh, she would get in real trouble for doing that!" And I would reply "depends on how many women were on the jury." :cool:

How many women do you know that skated on Felony Tampering With a Motor Vehicle? I do understand the sentiment, though. If a guy's going to be a playboy, he should flaunt it, not hide it. Then there's no cheating involved. There are boat loads of attractive women that follow playboys around like a lost dog.

[Noir]

Simple, switch the station. Don't buy their CD's or anything at all. I'd say neither is an "issue".

Good thinking, pretend the problem isn't there. And also if you're child is being bullied in school, get him to switch school, simple.

There is indeed a very real issue, and to not see the rape culture endorsed by the kinds of messages in these songs is an issue itself.

[gabosaurus]

Simple, switch the station. Don't buy their CD's or anything at all. I'd say neither is an "issue".

Conservative Republicans didn't feel that way about the Dixie Chicks. They pretty much flipped their lids.

[tailfins]

Good thinking, pretend the problem isn't there. And also if you're child is being bullied in school, get him to switch school, simple.

There is indeed a very real issue, and to not see the rape culture endorsed by the kinds of messages in these songs is an issue itself.

We need to do away with this term bullying. It's a vague PC word whose meaning can be manipulated by those with an agenda. I like well defined terms such as aggravated assault, making illegal threats, theft, false imprisonment, etc. You should give a kid's school ONE chance to resolve criminal behavior. The next step should be a meeting with the District Attorney to file criminal charges against the perpetrator. I don't see you mention a problem that good honest law and order can't solve. If they don't communicate a specific action, a message isn't a crime.

[Noir]

We need to do away with this term bullying. It's a vague PC word whose meaning can be manipulated by those with an agenda. I like well defined terms such as aggravated assault, making illegal threats, theft, false imprisonment, etc. You should give a kid's school ONE chance to resolve criminal behavior. The next step should be a meeting with the District Attorney to file criminal charges against the perpetrator. I don't see you mention a problem that good honest law and order can't solve. If they don't communicate a specific action, a message isn't a crime.

Do you consider the word 'rape' to be a vague word?

Also i'm not saying this guys 'message' is a crime, or a criminal offence, but its one that we should not be supporting.

[jimnyc]

Conservative Republicans didn't feel that way about the Dixie Chicks. They pretty much flipped their lids.

all I ever saw with them was calls to tune them out or boycotting their shows... same as I'm saying, let the consumer decide.

[jimnyc]

Good thinking, pretend the problem isn't there. And also if you're child is being bullied in school, get him to switch school, simple.

There is indeed a very real issue, and to not see the rape culture endorsed by the kinds of messages in these songs is an issue itself.

my son was bullied at school and he did change schools, I hope you aren't pointing fingers?

But grown up music with kids is a parenting issue, and has zip to do with schools. And if a kid is brought up right, then hearing shit lyrics won't make a difference. But instead of personal responsibility, liberals would rather stomp things out that they disagree with.

[Noir]

my son was bullied at school and he did change schools, I hope you aren't pointing fingers?

I wouldn't be so crass, resembling yours or anyone else's actual children is coincidental - as to whether you blame the bullies victim or the bully for the bullying is on point of the discussion.


But grown up music with kids is a parenting issue, and has zip to do with schools. And if a kid is brought up right, then hearing shit lyrics won't make a difference. But instead of personal responsibility, liberals would rather stomp things out that they disagree with.

Its not just kids but adults too. The culture as a whole normalises rape and that women are objects. Mr Joe Bloggs relaxing by humming away to himself that ever catchy 'Women mean yes when they say no, dum dum dum' is a cog that keeps the wheel turning.

[NightTrain]

Conservative Republicans didn't feel that way about the Dixie Chicks. They pretty much flipped their lids.


Wrong again.

Country fans are a vastly conservative group of people as a whole, no matter the political affiliation. There was no lid-flipping, just a complete refusal to ever support that band again and to cleanse their collections by removing the offending Dixie Chicks portion.

However, it still brings a tear of joy to my eye when I remember the piles of Dixie Chicks CDs burning in piles in the streets down in Texas and the cancelled concerts and the nationwide boycotting by Radio Stations. Even years later one would play one of their songs and they'd get complaints.

Her monumental stupidity was in not knowing who the fans were. She wrecked their careers and instead of apologizing, was defiant about it and that sealed their fate.

Toby Keith had a nice feud with them as they evaporated, securing legions of lifelong fans in the process. The liberals tried to help them out, but they just didn't care enough to actually buy their music or go to their concerts - but they did give them non-paying props in the press.

Somehow she thought she would be the next John Lennon or something. Oooops.

I'm surprised the other bandmates haven't murdered her in her sleep.

[tailfins]

I wouldn't be so crass, resembling yours or anyone else's actual children is coincidental - as to whether you blame the bullies victim or the bully for the bullying is on point of the discussion.



Its not just kids but adults too. The culture as a whole normalises rape and that women are objects. Mr Joe Bloggs relaxing by humming away to himself that ever catchy 'Women mean yes when they say no, dum dum dum' is a cog that keeps the wheel turning.

Women also mean no when they say yes. Legal liability must be kept in mind regardless.

[Trigg]

Personally I'd be thrilled if cRAP went away completely but, I don't see that happening.


It's shit music that glorifies violence against cops and women. It's not allowed in my house.

[NightTrain]

Personally I'd be thrilled if cRAP went away completely but, I don't see that happening.


It's shit music that glorifies violence against cops and women. It's not allowed in my house.

Same here.

Or in my vehicles.

It's kind of nice to be Dad and making the rules.

[jimnyc]

I wouldn't be so crass, resembling yours or anyone else's actual children is coincidental - as to whether you blame the bullies victim or the bully for the bullying is on point of the discussion.

Thanks. Was on my phone earlier and jumped to conclusions. You know what they say about those who assume, and I do so all the time! My apologies. :)


Its not just kids but adults too. The culture as a whole normalises rape and that women are objects. Mr Joe Bloggs relaxing by humming away to himself that ever catchy 'Women mean yes when they say no, dum dum dum' is a cog that keeps the wheel turning.[/QUOTE]


Personally I'd be thrilled if cRAP went away completely but, I don't see that happening.


It's shit music that glorifies violence against cops and women. It's not allowed in my house.

It all reminds me of Howard Stern (and rap). Demeaning, misogynistic, gross, and every other comparable terminology. But do we tune out Howard, rap music & pitbull, or do we try and have them literally removed? I do the same, certain things won't be playing in my house. My son will be taught to the best of our ability. But there IS a market for Howard - for rap AND for this pitbull guy - and our 1st amendment should is a higher precedent than bad or demeaning music. Or bad or demeaning movies. Or bad or demeaning art.

Definitely not in my house either, but I wouldn't think for a moment that what someone else likes or listened to should simply be banned or disappear. We've all been hearing about the evils of various music from the Beatles, to Elvis, to Ozzy to Rap music to Pitbull crap. Yes, some is crap and not what I want my kid listening to - but the world won't end and all of our kids won't grow up as demeaning little bastards from listening to one of these people. If that happens, something else went wrong along the way.

[tailfins]

Thanks. Was on my phone earlier and jumped to conclusions. You know what they say about those who assume, and I do so all the time! My apologies. :)


Its not just kids but adults too. The culture as a whole normalises rape and that women are objects. Mr Joe Bloggs relaxing by humming away to himself that ever catchy 'Women mean yes when they say no, dum dum dum' is a cog that keeps the wheel turning.




It all reminds me of Howard Stern (and rap). Demeaning, misogynistic, gross, and every other comparable terminology. But do we tune out Howard, rap music & pitbull, or do we try and have them literally removed? I do the same, certain things won't be playing in my house. My son will be taught to the best of our ability. But there IS a market for Howard - for rap AND for this pitbull guy - and our 1st amendment should is a higher precedent than bad or demeaning music. Or bad or demeaning movies. Or bad or demeaning art.

Definitely not in my house either, but I wouldn't think for a moment that what someone else likes or listened to should simply be banned or disappear. We've all been hearing about the evils of various music from the Beatles, to Elvis, to Ozzy to Rap music to Pitbull crap. Yes, some is crap and not what I want my kid listening to - but the world won't end and all of our kids won't grow up as demeaning little bastards from listening to one of these people. If that happens, something else went wrong along the way.


We do neither. We learn Spanish so we can fully appreciate the nuances of Pitbull's talent. After all, aren't we supposed to be promoting diversity? If you criticize Pitbull, you're just being a racist. We need to respect the cultural differences and enjoy the boobies. Jim, I bet you'd even enjoy a Snoop Dogg music video.

[jimnyc]

We do neither. We learn Spanish so we can fully appreciate the nuances of Pitbull's talent. After all, aren't we supposed to be promoting diversity? If you criticize Pitbull, you're just being a racist. We need to respect the cultural differences and enjoy the boobies. Jim, I bet you'd even enjoy a Snoop Dogg music video.

I like many artists that others would probably would have liked to see removed completely! Iron Maiden, UFO, Eminem, Ozzy Osbourne & Black Sabbath, Skin 'n Bones, most 80's hair bands, Zeppelin. ACDC (oh boy, some of the lyrics!) Whitesnake...

My brother ranted at me on our recent trip when I put my Eminem cd on. So as not to torment him, I only played one track. Others think the same about him that they do pitbull. I don't listen to emulate my life after him, I do because I like his music, I like the beats and he sounds better. But his lyrics are filled with stuff about drugs and sex. - I won't force anyone to listen to my tastes. I wouldn't let my son listen to Eminem while I listen, nor on his own. If a kid is raised right, bad lyrics will be just that to them, lyrics for a song. But anyway, to each their own. Tune in or tune out!

With the lyrics included, and the idea is the same - rock and roll will never die! :)

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[jimnyc]

I gotta say, my musical taste varies, from band to band and from song to song. I'm generally willing to give ANY music a try. With that said, and while I know Pitbull has some controversial lyrics (like about another 50,000 bands/musicians). I found this song, a duo with another artist I don't care about, Christina Aguilera. It's actually a good tune made by both!!

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[tailfins]

I gotta say, my musical taste varies, from band to band and from song to song. I'm generally willing to give ANY music a try. With that said, and while I know Pitbull has some controversial lyrics (like about another 50,000 bands/musicians). I found this song, a duo with another artist I don't care about, Christina Aguilera. It's actually a good tune made by both!!

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The funny thing is they are complaining about stuff after he went English. Here's some full strength Pitbull with 220 MILLION views:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2tMV96xULk

[Noir]

The funny thing is they are complaining about stuff after he went English. Here's some full strength Pitbull with 220 MILLION views: YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2tMV96xULk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2tMV96xULk)

"Mami got an ass like a donkey, with a monkey,
look like King Kong, welcome to the crib,
305 thats what it is,
with a woman down ya shit dont play games,
they up the chain, and they let her do everythang and anythang, hit tha thang
and they love it gettin' it in, gettin' on"

Inspiring.

[jimnyc]

"Mami got an ass like a donkey, with a monkey,
look like King Kong, welcome to the crib,
305 thats what it is,
with a woman down ya shit dont play games,
they up the chain, and they let her do everythang and anythang, hit tha thang
and they love it gettin' it in, gettin' on"

Inspiring.

I agree with you - but - he is making millions and selling millions. So while I agree with you about much of his lyrics - I also think he's fully entitled to make his lyrics and be a recording artist, no different than any artist from any genre out there today. People listening and the consumers will decide if they last or not. If millions and millions didn't like this guys music, including his lyrics, he wouldn't be selling as he does throughout the world. But that doesn't mean you or I need to tune in. To each their own.

[jimnyc]

World Cup Song Disappoints World Cup Fans on Web

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The official World Cup song is hitting an off note with some soccer fans.

Critics on the Web say the single "We Are One (Ole Ola)" doesn't showcase enough of the host country, Brazil. Instead, Cuban-American Pitbull takes center stage, along with Bronx native, Jennifer Lopez.

Brazilian pop star Claudia Leitte appears in the video but for far less time than the other two performers. And the Brazilian-themed video, set in a stadium with Carnival dancers, Latin-style drummers, and energetic crowds, was actually shot in Fort Lauderdale, not South America.

Commenters have tweeted their displeasure and want to bring back Shakira's popular 2010 World Cup hit, "Waka Waka."

https://music.yahoo.com/blogs/music-news/world-cup-song-disappoints-world-cup-fans-on-web-183140943.html

[gabosaurus]

I agree with you - but - he is making millions and selling millions. So while I agree with you about much of his lyrics - I also think he's fully entitled to make his lyrics and be a recording artist, no different than any artist from any genre out there today. People listening and the consumers will decide if they last or not. If millions and millions didn't like this guys music, including his lyrics, he wouldn't be selling as he does throughout the world. But that doesn't mean you or I need to tune in. To each their own.

Luther Campbell earned millions with this song. Does that make him acceptable?

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/2livecrew/mesohorny.html

[Trigg]

Luther Campbell earned millions with this song. Does that make him acceptable?

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/2livecrew/mesohorny.html


shit lyrics no matter who wrote them.

[gabosaurus]

shit lyrics no matter who wrote them.

Absolutely. My parents were pretty lenient about what I listened to, but rap was never allowed.
Someone made my daughter a CD that had some rap songs on it last year. I looked up one of the songs and had her read the lyrics. Her response "That's really disgusting!"
I can see why tailfins enjoys Pitbull. They seem to think alike.

I’m just telling you the truth
Maybe I’m too blunt, but why front!
You got it going on, just pull up your skirt
I know what to do with your thong!
I’ma Pull it to da side and rub it down right
Let me know if I’m wrong!
She’s Freaky! She knows how to do what I like just right!
She’s Freaky! She likes you to talk dirty all night!
She’s Freaky! She likes her ass slapped when she rides!
She’s Freaky! And a freak is what I need in my life!

[jimnyc]

Luther Campbell earned millions with this song. Does that make him acceptable?

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/2livecrew/mesohorny.html

Of course that doesn't make them "acceptable", and I never even hinted otherwise. But he should STILL have the right to write the music he likes, and sell his music if there is a market willing to purchase. What you or I think of his crappy lyrics shouldn't change that. The 1st amendment gives artists the right to have crappy lyrics. There have been multi-million dollar sales from bands with MUCH worse than Campbell and Pitbull combined!

[tailfins]

Absolutely. My parents were pretty lenient about what I listened to, but rap was never allowed.
Someone made my daughter a CD that had some rap songs on it last year. I looked up one of the songs and had her read the lyrics. Her response "That's really disgusting!"
I can see why tailfins enjoys Pitbull. They seem to think alike.

I’m just telling you the truth
Maybe I’m too blunt, but why front!
You got it going on, just pull up your skirt
I know what to do with your thong!
I’ma Pull it to da side and rub it down right
Let me know if I’m wrong!
She’s Freaky! She knows how to do what I like just right!
She’s Freaky! She likes you to talk dirty all night!
She’s Freaky! She likes her ass slapped when she rides!
She’s Freaky! And a freak is what I need in my life!

The funny thing is that I learned about Pitbull three or four years ago from the radio stations my wife listens to. Before I married her the only time I listened to such stuff was on the radio crossing Brazil in a rental car. Pitbull is tame compared to stuff on Brazilian radio.