State Dept. Won’t Say If Christian Toddler Jailed in Sudan is U.S. Citizen

[jimnyc]

(CNSNews.com) - The U.S. State Department on Monday declined to say if Martin Wani, a 20-month-old Christian boy imprisoned by the Islamist Sudanese government, is a U.S. citizen.

“You don’t know whether that little boy in prison is a U.S. citizen?” CNSNews.com asked State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki at the department’s Monday press briefing.

“I don’t have any more details to share,” Psaki said.

The State Department also would not say if the boy’s father, Daniel Wani, is a U.S. citizen and if, as the father has reportedly said, the U.S. Embassy in Khartoum asked the father to secure DNA evidence to prove his imprisoned 20-month-old son was in fact his son.

Meriam Ibrahim—the toddler’s mother and fellow prisoner--was sentenced to be executed last week by a Sudanese court. Her capital offense was refusing to renounce her Christian faith.

Daniel Wani, Meriam Ibrahim’s husband, is reportedly a naturalized U.S. citizen who has been seeking help from the U.S. State Department for himself, his son, his wife, and the unborn child, who Meriam Ibrahim is now carrying in the eighth month of pregnancy.

Meriam, 27, was born in Sudan to a Muslim father and Ethiopian Orthodox mother, according to Morning Star News, a Christian news site. Her father reportedly left the family when she was six and her mother raised her as a Christian. She and Daniel Wani married in the Christian faith in 2012 and had their first child, Martin Wani.

In February, she and the boy were imprisoned. At the time, she was five months pregnant. The boy is in prison with his mother, according to the Morning Star News, because Sudan will not allow his father to take care of him because his father is a Christian.

In March, a Sudanese court charged the mother with apostasy for professing Christianity after having been born of a Muslim father. The court also charged her with “adultery” for relations with her own husband because Sudan refuses to recognize the marriage of a Muslim woman to a Christian man.

Last week, after Meriam refused to renounce her Christian faith, the court sentenced her to be flogged for adultery and executed for apostasy.

On April 28, Morning Star News reported that Daniel Wani said the State Department was not being helpful to him, his U.S. citizen son, his unborn child and his wife.

“My wife was never a Muslim,” Wani told the Morning Star News. “As an American citizen, I ask the people and government of the USA to help me.”

Rest here - http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/state-dept-won-t-say-if-christian-toddler-jailed-sudan-us-citizen-1

[jafar00]

These Sudanese are crazy. Which one is it? The poor north, or the richer south?

[jimnyc]

These Sudanese are crazy. Which one is it? The poor north, or the richer south?

I agree that they are crazy, and beyond that. But these punishments - death for apostasy, flogging for adultery - are claimed to be Sharia law. If this is NOT the case, then why does Islam around the world ignore things like this, and not take the opportunity to make it clear to the world that this isn't in fact Sharia? Because a LARGE many still claim apostasy should be met with death, and as you see it's still practiced. Without denunciation and the amount of this happening still in quite a few nations, you can see why so many believe it to be a "normal" and valid punishment.

[NightTrain]

So the muzzies are going to execute that woman for not renouncing Christianity, huh?

Sudan had better be a fucking parking lot immediately afterwards.

What's with the State Department not knowing if they are U.S. Citizens? Does anyone in this administration know anything, other than how to hand out welfare and run roughshod over the Constitution?

[NightTrain]

NY Daily News says he is a U.S. Citizen from New Hampshire.


Daniel Wani, a Sudanese immigrant with U.S. citizenship, is now fighting for his wife's life after she was jailed with their 18-month-old son and sentenced to death for refusing to recant her Christian faith.

Meriam Ibrahim, 26, who's eight months pregnant, was sentenced to death Thursday after convicted of "apostasy." Because of the Islamic court's refusal to acknowledge her 2011 marriage to Wani, who's a Christian, she was also sentenced to receive 100 lashes for adultery.

Ibrahim and Wani married in a formal church ceremony in 2011 and have a son named Martin, who is with her in jail. The couple runs several businesses, including a farm south of Khartoum.



Since she married an American citizen, doesn't that automatically make her a U.S. citizen? It certainly makes the kid an American.

[jimnyc]

Because of the Islamic court's refusal to acknowledge her 2011 marriage to Wani, who's a Christian, she was also sentenced to receive 100 lashes for adultery.

The Islamic court won't acknowledge marriage because one is a Christian. The Islamic court sentenced her to a barbaric whipping because of adultery. The court based this on Sharia Law:


Meriam Yehya Ibrahim, who has a young son and is married to a Christian from South Sudan, violated Islamic sharia law, the court said. She insists she was raised Christian, not Muslim.

The court also ordered Ibrahim to be flogged for having sexual relations with her husband, since her marriage is not recognized by officials.

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-sudan-court-sharia-christianity-20140515-story.html

There are tons of articles out there covering this story that state the same, that is not an isolated article.

So it's an Islamic court. Stating they are basing it on Sharia Law. But some state such penalties for such things, such as apostasy, are not only not under Sharia, but not Islamic. So I ask, are these people not Muslims? Is this not Sharia law? Because quite a few other countries employ eerily similar laws with identical punishments.

[jafar00]

I agree that they are crazy, and beyond that. But these punishments - death for apostasy, flogging for adultery - are claimed to be Sharia law. If this is NOT the case, then why does Islam around the world ignore things like this, and not take the opportunity to make it clear to the world that this isn't in fact Sharia? Because a LARGE many still claim apostasy should be met with death, and as you see it's still practiced. Without denunciation and the amount of this happening still in quite a few nations, you can see why so many believe it to be a "normal" and valid punishment.

There is no death penalty for apostasy in Islam. This is a made up law like many others for extremists to use to subjugate people.

[jimnyc]

There is no death penalty for apostasy in Islam. This is a made up law like many others for extremists to use to subjugate people.

It's a shame that even the leaders are not true Muslims, nor the courts in most Islamic nations and so, so many local tribal leaders and such. And the extremism and subjugation is rampant, as I can find variations of Sharia law and such barbaric penalties for apostasy, blasphemy & adultery. For things that are not Islam and people that are not Muslims, there sure are a lot of them in just about every Islamic nation out there, save one or two.

[jafar00]

It's a shame that even the leaders are not true Muslims, nor the courts in most Islamic nations and so, so many local tribal leaders and such. And the extremism and subjugation is rampant, as I can find variations of Sharia law and such barbaric penalties for apostasy, blasphemy & adultery. For things that are not Islam and people that are not Muslims, there sure are a lot of them in just about every Islamic nation out there, save one or two.

I've posted examples from the Qur'aan showing that the punishment for apostasy is hellfire in the afterlife and there are also examples of God talking about people who believe, then disbelieve then believe again ad nauseum, yet are not punished for it.

So you tell me where they got the death penalty from? Certainly not from the Qur'aan. In fact it goes against the teachings in the Qur'aan. Therefore, the law is not Islamic. right?

[NightTrain]

I've posted examples from the Qur'aan showing that the punishment for apostasy is hellfire in the afterlife and there are also examples of God talking about people who believe, then disbelieve then believe again ad nauseum, yet are not punished for it.

So you tell me where they got the death penalty from? Certainly not from the Qur'aan. In fact it goes against the teachings in the Qur'aan. Therefore, the law is not Islamic. right?

First, the definition of apostasy :


According to Islamic law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia) apostasy is identified by a list of actions such as conversion to another religion, denying the existence of God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_Islam), rejecting the prophets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_of_Islam), mocking God or the prophets, idol worship, rejecting the sharia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia), or permitting behavior that is forbidden by the sharia, such as adultery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina) or the eating of forbidden foods or drinking of alcoholic beverages.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#cite_note-9)[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#cite_note-10)

Next, what the majority of Muslim scholars think :


The majority of Muslim scholars hold to the traditional view that apostasy is punishable by death (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_capital_punishment) or imprisonment until repentance, at least for adult men of sound mind.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#cite_note-2)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#cite_note-KEY-3)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#cite_note-4)

[jafar00]

First, the definition of apostasy :



Next, what the majority of Muslim scholars think :

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We have two threads going on the same thing. Go read the other answer.

[Trigg]

NY Daily News says he is a U.S. Citizen from New Hampshire.





Since she married an American citizen, doesn't that automatically make her a U.S. citizen? It certainly makes the kid an American.

Marrying an American doesn't automatically give her citizenship.

The child is American, even if he was born in Sudan.

[Noir]

I'd love to hear the theological musings of a 20 month old theist...

[jimnyc]

I'd love to hear the theological musings of a 20 month old theist...

People over there and countries all around in that area and others, they kill children often for various other reasons, so imprisoning one should come as no surprise to anyone. And what are they going to do? Stone or hang a kid less than 2 years old? I can't understand why this child is not with proper care instead, as obviously he committed no "crime". Some sick, sick individuals.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Marrying an American doesn't automatically give her citizenship.

The child is American, even if he was born in Sudan.
Correct marriage does not grant citizenship . Also correct the child is an American and
there is no doubt on that being a legal fact.
Our liberal obama ran State Department is just like all things touched by that ffing, lying weasel--totally== ffkked up!
The father is American ,the son is American and State Department knows both are facts.
If that boy was Trayvon Obama would have already forced correct action by now.
The worthless bastard is indifferent because the parents are Christian while he Obama is a muslim in hiding! Fact.. -Tyr