Chocolate milk ban passes UNANIMOUSLY in Connecticut

[tailfins]

Isn't there ONE CT legislator against the nanny state?

http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/dan-joseph/ct-votes-ban-chocolate-milk-school-lunches-over-fed-funding-sodium-concerns

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Isn't there ONE CT legislator against the nanny state?

http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/dan-joseph/ct-votes-ban-chocolate-milk-school-lunches-over-fed-funding-sodium-concerns

OBAMA'S BIAAAAATCH STRIKES AGAIN!
MOOOOCHELLE sticks her fatass nose into our children's food choices as if she is some great and magnificently genius on nutrition and parenting!
Just so damn typical of liberal/leftist elitist arrogance!-Tyr

[gabosaurus]

This is just one state being stupid. Chocolate milk is still served in most other states.

[Noir]

What concerns me is that if chocolate milk is not one of the available options, then students will decrease consumption of milk overall,

I like how they say this as if its a bad thing xD 'oh no, children may stop drinking a hormone packed cocktail intended for bovine calf!'

[jafar00]

High levels of Sodium? Are they serious?

Of course, they wouldn't want to say anything bad about the load of sugar packed in there would they? I'm guessing it would be High Fructose Corn Syrup too.

Pulling sugar out of the diets of kids is a good thing but they shouldn't need to lie about it. And the calcium myth was played as well. Calcium from milk is not readily absorbed and most of it goes to waste because of the lack of Mg, and vitamin D in the milk to help with calcium absorption. Kids are better off getting calcium from their greens, nuts, and fish like Salmon or Sardines.

While they mean well, they got their reasons muddled up.

[darin]

^^ Two people who missed the point.

Government should STFU about what parents want to feed their kids, even by proxy through schools.

[jimnyc]

Seriously, gonna bust the kids chops over damn chocolate milk? Take away too many choices and they'll be smuggling in cans of soda and/or energy drinks. I know it's got chocolate in it, but also milk. Is this even really necessary?

And will the "zero tolerance" kick in now, and kids get suspension for drinking chocolate milk? And just hope they don't have a pop tart on the same day. Take a bit, it now looks like a gun, sip the chocolate milk - and now you get expelled! :laugh:

[darin]

If they wish to 'take away' something? Take away kids from parents who refuse to raise their kids according to MY (and others like me) standards.

:D

[tailfins]

If they wish to 'take away' something? Take away kids from parents who refuse to raise their kids according to MY (and others like me) standards.

:D

One set of such parents is named Lou and Linda Pelletier. They are also from Connecticut, who won't lift a finger to get custody of their daughter back from the Massachusetts DCF. Massachusetts places a Connecticut resident in a Connecticut facility to quell public outcry but still maintains custody. How cockeyed is that?

It takes a village to destroy a family.

[Abbey Marie]

Chocolate milk today; harder drugs tomorrow.

What's wrong with you people? Don't you care about the children?

:rolleyes:

[darin]

One set of such parents is named Lou and Linda Pelletier. They are also from Connecticut, who won't lift a finger to get custody of their daughter back from the Massachusetts DCF. Massachusetts places a Connecticut resident in a Connecticut facility to quell public outcry but still maintains custody. How cockeyed is that?

It takes a village to destroy a family.

I would absolutely tactically-assault any facility keeping my daughter kidnapped.

[Abbey Marie]

i would absolutely tactically-assault any facility keeping my daughter kidnapped.

t. S. H.

[aboutime]

Just another step in the continued "Dumbing-down of America Process".

This is how socialism works. First they control where you live, what work you do, or don't do, who you can listen to, what you can say, what you can think, what you can eat, and what your religious beliefs may be..according to government across the board.

I know it sounds like a conspiracy but..."That's probably, exactly what it is!"

[Noir]

^^ Two people who missed the point. Government should STFU about what parents want to feed their kids, even by proxy through schools.

If the parents really desperately want their kids to drink choc milk, they can buy some for their darlings to take to school. Problem solved.

[darin]

If the parents really desperately want their kids to drink choc milk, they can buy some for their darlings to take to school. Problem solved.

And you missed the point.

[jimnyc]

If the parents really desperately want their kids to drink choc milk, they can buy some for their darlings to take to school. Problem solved.

Many schools will toss the kids "contraband" in the garbage if it's not compliant. And no, I'm not kidding! When I was a kid I got a brown bag, a damn baloney sandwich and 50 cents for whatever liquid I could purchase to drink (usually 2 video games after school).

[tailfins]

If the parents really desperately want their kids to drink choc milk, they can buy some for their darlings to take to school. Problem solved.

How do you suggest they hide it? Would it be easier to smuggle some Quik or take an empty school white milk bottle home and put chocolate milk in it the next day?

[Noir]

How do you suggest they hide it? Would it be easier to smuggle some Quik or take an empty school white milk bottle home and put chocolate milk in it the next day?

The bIll removes the option from school cafes serving choc milk, i don't see were it states students can not bring in their own.

[tailfins]

The bIll removes the option from school cafes serving choc milk, i don't see were it states students can not bring in their own.

You are overlooking how implementation works in the US these days. The law sets an objective; the school board sets rules to implement the objective; the individual school carries out the implementation. There are cases where non-compliant food items are confiscated. If you read school handbooks many say that multiple incidents of rule non-compliance leads to disciplinary action. When you move, it's important to ask around, read the news and attend a school board meeting before signing a lease.

[Abbey Marie]

The bIll removes the option from school cafes serving choc milk, i don't see were it states students can not bring in their own.

It tends to come with the territory, Noir. The prohibited item becomes anathema, and the school will not tolerate its presence, however it arrived there.

[tailfins]

It tends to come with the territory, Noir. The prohibited item becomes anathema, and the school will not tolerate its presence, however it arrived there.

I was talking about this with my wife. Her solution is offer your kids a big breakfast and a late lunch. When the kids are asked why they aren't eating at school, they can reply "I can't eat the slop you call food; I'd rather tough it out 'til I get home." What if most kids did that?

[Noir]

You are overlooking how implementation works in the US these days. The law sets an objective; the school board sets rules to implement the objective; the individual school carries out the implementation. There are cases where non-compliant food items are confiscated. If you read school handbooks many say that multiple incidents of rule non-compliance leads to disciplinary action. When you move, it's important to ask around, read the news and attend a school board meeting before signing a lease.


It tends to come with the territory, Noir. The prohibited item becomes anathema, and the school will not tolerate its presence, however it arrived there.

Then the issue is with the school and board of governors (or american equivalent) not the government.

[Noir]

I was talking about this with my wife. Her solution is offer your kids a big breakfast and a late lunch. When the kids are asked why they aren't eating at school, they can reply "I can't eat the slop you call food; I'd rather tough it out 'til I get home." What if most kids did that?

"No more slop, bring back chocolate milk!
No more slop, bring back chocolate milk!
No more slop, bring back chocolate milk!"

[Drummond]

I like how they say this as if its a bad thing xD 'oh no, children may stop drinking a hormone packed cocktail intended for bovine calf!'

And the proof of great harm being done by this milk, is ... ?

[Noir]

And the proof of great harm being done by this milk, is ... ?

Much much much too much for me to be bothered to post, so rather, narrow it to a topic, one of say;
Hormones, Anti-biotics, Cancer, Calcium deficiency, Cholesterol, Diabetes, or Osteoporosis, and I can focus on one, or two problems if it so takes your fancy.

[Drummond]

Much much much too much for me to be bothered to post, so rather, narrow it to a topic, one of say;
Hormones, Anti-biotics, Cancer, Calcium deficiency, Cholesterol, Diabetes, or Osteoporosis, and I can focus on one, or two problems if it so takes your fancy.

Hormones. Can you cite chapter and verse on actual harm done ?

Antibiotics. I actually can't understand why you've included that. The connection between this and chocolate milk, is .. ?

Cancer. Are you serious ? Imagine someone being interviewed by a GP after that GP has just disclosed a diagnosis of a form of cancer. Is the resulting conversation AT ALL likely to involve said GP insisting that the patient be banned from going anywhere near chocolate milk ?!?

Calcium deficiency. Again, I'm not following. Have you looked at carton labels ? Have you seen evidence that calcium is extracted from chocolate milk ?? [I can't speak for the American market, but Noir should know this doesn't follow in British products ..]

Cholesterol. An issue whether the milk is or is not flavoured, Noir, having more to do with fat content than flavouring.

Diabetes. OK, an issue .... equally true for sugared drinks NOT milk based. Diabetics aren't required to be less cautious about chocolate milk than they'd be of other sweetened drinks !

Osteoporosis. Well, calcium is in milk, sweetened or not. That answers THAT one ....

At the end of the day, Noir, nanny States are just a manifestation of control freakery. Allow it to creep into our thinking, and where would it stop ???

[Noir]

^I believe you misunderstand the context of my post, it was not aimed at chocolate milk, but rather all dairy milks. (As was mention in the OP link which i quoted)

[Drummond]

^I believe you misunderstand the context of my post, it was not aimed at chocolate milk, but rather all dairy milks. (As was mention in the OP link which i quoted)

I hadn't realised. Thanks for the clarification, then.

Though ... much of what I posted before still stands. And .. if you were thinking of ALL dairy milks, then why mention diabetes ? Unless my understanding of these things is skewed far more than I thought, isn't it true to say that dairy milk is not, of itself, a problem for diabetics ?

.. In fact ... !! .. >>>

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1340274/How-drinking-milk-protect-diabetes.html


Drinking milk may help prevent type 2 diabetes – the disease linked to obesity.

Contrary to the popular perception of dairy products as unhealthy, regular consumption could actually reduce the risk of developing the condition by up to 60 per cent, according to a study.

The ingredient responsible is trans-palmitoleic acid, a fatty acid found in the dairy fat of milk, cheese, yoghurt and butter.

Researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health in the United States say it can combat type 2 diabetes, which affects more than 2.3million Britons.

In the study, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, more than 3,700 participants were followed for 20 years by researchers. They took measurements including blood glucose, insulin and levels of fatty acids.

They found that higher levels of trans-palmitoleic acid were associated with healthier levels of blood cholesterol and insulin.

Overall, those with the highest levels of trans-palmitoleic acid had about a 60 per cent reduced risk of developing type 2 diabetes.

Lead researcher Dariush Mozaffarian said: 'The magnitude of this association is striking. 'This represents an almost three-fold difference in risk of developing diabetes among individuals with the highest blood levels of this fatty acid.'

The study also appears to confirm previous research showing that a diet rich in dairy foods is linked to lower risk of type 2 diabetes and related metabolic abnormalities.

This is from the Daily Mail. So, it must be true. Eh, Noir ?

[jafar00]

Calcium deficiency. Again, I'm not following. Have you looked at carton labels ? Have you seen evidence that calcium is extracted from chocolate milk ?? [I can't speak for the American market, but Noir should know this doesn't follow in British products ..]

Cholesterol. An issue whether the milk is or is not flavoured, Noir, having more to do with fat content than flavouring.

Diabetes. OK, an issue .... equally true for sugared drinks NOT milk based. Diabetics aren't required to be less cautious about chocolate milk than they'd be of other sweetened drinks !

Osteoporosis. Well, calcium is in milk, sweetened or not. That answers THAT one ....

At the end of the day, Noir, nanny States are just a manifestation of control freakery. Allow it to creep into our thinking, and where would it stop ???

Calcium Deficiency - With Magnesium, Vitamin D and K, and phosphorus, your body has a hard time absorbing the Calcium in Milk so most of it is excreted. Only Dairy lobbies push the calcium milk myth. The truth is, you are better off eating your greens to get calcium. There is nothing wrong though with a cappuchino, a nice chunk of cheese or some whipped cream, just don't rely on it to get your calcium. Google Calcium Myth

Cancer - High consumption of calcium is linked to elevated cancer risk.
Possible Increased Risk of Ovarian Cancer
Probable Increased Risk of Prostate Cancer (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-full-story/)

Diabetes - Yeh, the sugar. But for most Americans following the SAD diet, a bit of chocolate milk is the least of their concerns.

Osteoporosis - Maybe linked to the fact that people have been conditioned into thinking that milk is the best source of calcium leading to over consumption, but Osteoporosis has been on the rise despite increased consumption and lobbying.

Taking chocolate milk off the menu isn't going to change much. A complete rethink about diet is what's needed.