Muslim man walks into church during easter mass,unfolds prayer mat and starts praying

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

MUSLIM MAN WALKS INTO CHURCH DURING EASTER MASS,UNFOLDS PRAYER MAT AND STARTS PRAYING (FRANCE)


http://halalporkshop.blogspot.com/2014/04/muslim-man-walks-into-church-during.html


The worshippers present at the scene were dumbfounded. This Sunday morning, in a collegiate church full to bursting, a man wearing a djellaba and headgear came to pray. He laid a carpet to the left of the altar, while the Easter mass was underway.

The man, visibly disturbed, read verses from the Koran before writing some lines in Arabic in the parish register. After having caused disruption for the first time during the mass on Palm Sunday one week ago in la Bedugue then in the collegiate church, some worshippers had warned the police.

A team came to ask him to leave the premises, calmly. The deputy commissioner, who had been notified of this disruption to public order, insisted on specifying: “We don’t need to generalise. This inappropriate attitude comes from an individual who is clearly disturbed.”

SOURCE
https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2014/04/21/france-muslim-unfolds-prayer-carpet-in-church-reads-koranic-verses-during-easter-mass/

No doubt but the man fully expected to be dragged out into the street and be beaten to death!!
Because anywhere in the world except USA had a Christian walked into Mosque during a muslim holy day service and done that he would have been so treated.

This also points to how confident they are in Europe that they will soon rule all of it by way of swords/bombs AND IRON FISTS..

They will soon be doing far worse here and it will be ignored by the authorities and chalked off to just be the work of an individual loon.

Notice the man was not arrested?? That's because they are already partially under the heel of their soon to be masters..
Freaking sad!!!!!!!!!
If Europe goes we will soon be next.. Fact..
World War 3 most likely will be Islam on one side and its still living opponents on the other..-Tyr

[fj1200]

Notice the man was not arrested?

Did he break the law?

[DragonStryk72]

Did he break the law?

It could be taken as trespassing, since he is obviously not there for mass, so yeah, in all technical point, he broke the law.

[fj1200]

It could be taken as trespassing, since he is obviously not there for mass, so yeah, in all technical point, he broke the law.

He walked into a church which is open to all and, presumably, left when asked. So no, I don't think he broke the law. And I don't expect the church was going to press the issue.

[Gaffer]

Next week he'll bring a couple of buddies.

[tailfins]

Next week he'll bring a couple of buddies.

That's what we call a witnessing opportunity. If it causes them to hear the Gospel, it's a victory for that church.


Isaiah 55:11King James Version (KJV)

11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

[DragonStryk72]

He walked into a church which is open to all and, presumably, left when asked. So no, I don't think he broke the law. And I don't expect the church was going to press the issue.

Had he refused, it would have been trespassing, but no, the church likely wouldn't press it, which makes it no less trespassing. The understood reason to go to church on Sunday, especially Easter Sunday, is to attend mass. If you are there solely to disrupt said mass, then you are there to harm the church, and thus, trespassing. I mean, the mall is open to all, but I can still get kicked out for disruptive behavior.

[Abbey Marie]

It may not technically be a crime, but an attempt to disrupt services on the holiest day in the Christian calendar is far from innocent.

I think Tyr's point is valid: Reverse the scenario, and a Christian in a French Mosque would surely be harmed. And fuggetaboutit it if Sharia Law were enforceable.

[fj1200]

Had he refused, it would have been trespassing, but no, the church likely wouldn't press it, which makes it no less trespassing.

Which renders the rhetorical question that was posed moot.

[Abbey Marie]

This is the part of the title that shows in the list of recent posts:


Muslim man walks into church during easter

I initially thought it was one of those jokes... ;)

[jimnyc]

All I can say for sure is that it appears a decent amount of restraint and understanding was used here. This could have easily went upside down. Kudos to those involved for showing others how it can be done, peacefully. I'd say if the gent came back and tried it again - then they should simply press charges and get a restraining order.

I don't know for sure how other places would handle it. But imagine that it's the midst of Ramadan and a Christian guy walks into a mosque, walks to the front and starts doing his own thing and being a disruption to their members? Dare I say I think it would end differently in the overwhelming majority of places.

[logroller]

None of the facts I've seen indicate it as a case of trespassing, possibly disturbing the peace but he was praying in church... if that's construed as criminal behavior, it sets a dangerous precedent IMO.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Did he break the law?

He surely did. Its called "disturbing the peace" and/or trespassing. Had a Christian done that in a Mosque he would be lucky if arrested was all he got out of it. More than likely he'd been beaten to death by the usual "angry mob" of peace loving Islamic zealots!!
And Jafar would be calling them --Not Muslim!!! --Tyr

[Drummond]

He surely did. Its called "disturbing the peace" and/or trespassing. Had a Christian done that in a Mosque he would be lucky if arrested was all he got out of it. More than likely he'd been beaten to death by the usual "angry mob" of peace loving Islamic zealots!!
And Jafar would be calling them --Not Muslim!!! --Tyr:clap::clap::clap:

Exactly !

There's no 'equivalence' issue here. Since Christianity truly is a religion of peace, the Muslim could expect to walk away unharmed. Ah, but reverse it ... and imagine a Christian entering a mosque, doing the Christian equivalent. A 'peaceful' exit just wouldn't be on the cards.

Imagine a Muslim cartoonist drawing a disparaging cartoon of Christ. Would you see protests in the streets of cities, Christian protesters baying for the death of the cartoonist ???

We all know how Muslims (... sorry, 'non' Muslims, as Jafar would say ??) react to cartoon disparagements of their Prophet, don't we ....

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

None of the facts I've seen indicate it as a case of trespassing, possibly disturbing the peace but he was praying in church... if that's construed as criminal behavior, it sets a dangerous precedent IMO.

Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Praying you say!!! Are you truly daft???
To what God?????

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No way are you this naïve!! So I must then take it that you struggled to find a way to defend this thing because he was Muslim.. [SIZE=4]SO TOMORROW I CAN GO TO A MOSQUE HERE AND DISRUPT THIER SERVICE AS LONG AS I
PRAY TO GOD AND JESUS!!! ??[/SIZE
And that lame post by you was the result of your spin... .... - :laugh:-Tyr


This defeats your amazingly naïve/gullible post and anybody when any sense at all knows it IMHO..


[SIZE=4]SO TOMORROW I CAN GO TO A MOSQUE HERE AND DISRUPT THIER SERVICE AS LONG AS I PRAY TO GOD AND JESUS!!! ??[/SIZE


It was spitting in the faces of the worshippers gathered there and you know it refuse to admit it!!! Why????

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Somebody tell me how a true Christian can defend Islam when it denies Christ's divinity....
Tell me how and why any Christian would bust their ass defending those that deny the Savior.
I ask because not just here but at other forums I see so-called Christians doing that as if their very life depended upon it..
Forgiveness is one thing but aiding a group to lead billions into darkness and miss Salvation offered only by Christ is not and can not ever be on the Christian agenda IMHO..

Yet we see people claiming to be Christian do that and do it with vigor and often even hate-filled malice. -Tyr

[jimnyc]

None of the facts I've seen indicate it as a case of trespassing, possibly disturbing the peace but he was praying in church... if that's construed as criminal behavior, it sets a dangerous precedent IMO.

Disturbing the peace IS criminal behavior.

You honestly think it would be bad precedent to charge someone with trespassing, or disturbing the peace? It would be a better precedent to allow anyone, from any religion, to walk into a church during services and go to the altar and do their own thing?

I think stating it as anything other than criminal behavior would be a bad precedent to set. Even though churches open their doors to one and all - that doesn't mean someone has a right to disturb Easter services, to approach the altar or to lay down carpets. He would have been more than welcome had he come in and sat in a chair, or knelt and prayed silently. But he went much farther beyond that, in literally "disturbing" the actual mass.

[tailfins]

Disturbing the peace IS criminal behavior.

You honestly think it would be bad precedent to charge someone with trespassing, or disturbing the peace? It would be a better precedent to allow anyone, from any religion, to walk into a church during services and go to the altar and do their own thing?

I think stating it as anything other than criminal behavior would be a bad precedent to set. Even though churches open their doors to one and all - that doesn't mean someone has a right to disturb Easter services, to approach the altar or to lay down carpets. He would have been more than welcome had he come in and sat in a chair, or knelt and prayed silently. But he went much farther beyond that, in literally "disturbing" the actual mass.

I guess it comes down to how formal the denomination is. Imagine this Muslim guy at a Pentecostal service when a "Esther from Sanford and Son" type starts yelling at the Muslim "Get thee hence Satan" or "Lord, deliver this man from the devil".

[jimnyc]

SO TOMORROW I CAN GO TO A MOSQUE HERE AND DISRUPT THIER SERVICE AS LONG AS I
PRAY TO GOD AND JESUS!!! ??

Just like this guy, if you walk into a mosque and go quietly about your way, and pray, and stay within the mosques practices, and don't disturb other worshippers, you'll be just fine. But if you do anything to stop or interrupt their gathering, then you too should get removed and get a fine or jailed.

I wouldn't condone anyone going into a religious house of worship for anything other than what the house is intended for. If someone is interrupting services, then they are possibly guilty of several offenses, depending on jurisdiction. I don't see a point in arguing jurisdictions and such though since this wasn't in the States. But I don't think any state would or should put up with someone going into another house of worship and being an interruption.

Also, a Muslim gent doesn't just accidentally end up in a church, at the altar, with his prayer rug. It's not like he opened the wrong door and ended up in the church instead of the mosque he intended to go to. Either he is el loco, or he wanted to be a disruption. But even if a mental wacko, it would still be criminal behavior, just that he "might" be able to get off in court due to his illness.

[jimnyc]

I guess it comes down to how formal the denomination is. Imagine this Muslim guy at a Pentecostal service when a "Esther from Sanford and Son" type starts yelling at the Muslim "Get thee hence Satan" or "Lord, deliver this man from the devil".

I understand that some houses of worship aren't quite as formal as others, but they all deserve the right to peacefully worship or attend mass.

If this guy simply walked in off the street, wanted to pray and had no ill will or desire to interrupt, he certainly wouldn't have brought his prayer rug, and most definitely wouldn't have went out of his way to go to the front of the congregation and the altar.

Also, in the USA - there IS actual code and precedent for not just disturbing the peace - but "disturbing a religious meeting" and other offshoots.

[Abbey Marie]

Just like this guy, if you walk into a mosque and go quietly about your way, and pray, and stay within the mosques practices, and don't disturb other worshippers, you'll be just fine. But if you do anything to stop or interrupt their gathering, then you too should get removed and get a fine or jailed.

I wouldn't condone anyone going into a religious house of worship for anything other than what the house is intended for. If someone is interrupting services, then they are possibly guilty of several offenses, depending on jurisdiction. I don't see a point in arguing jurisdictions and such though since this wasn't in the States. But I don't think any state would or should put up with someone going into another house of worship and being an interruption.

Also, a Muslim gent doesn't just accidentally end up in a church, at the altar, with his prayer rug. It's not like he opened the wrong door and ended up in the church instead of the mosque he intended to go to. Either he is el loco, or he wanted to be a disruption. But even if a mental wacko, it would still be criminal behavior, just that he "might" be able to get off in court due to his illness.

Not with the men, if you are female.

[jafar00]

No doubt but the man fully expected to be dragged out into the street and be beaten to death!!
Because anywhere in the world except USA had a Christian walked into Mosque during a muslim holy day service and done that he would have been so treated.

Is that so?

I took my humanist Uncle into several Mosques during Ramadan when he visited me in Cairo. Nothing happened to him while he watched us pray. He enjoyed it.


It may not technically be a crime, but an attempt to disrupt services on the holiest day in the Christian calendar is far from innocent.

I think Tyr's point is valid: Reverse the scenario, and a Christian in a French Mosque would surely be harmed. And fuggetaboutit it if Sharia Law were enforceable.

As someone who went to many French Mosques in France and has witnessed non Muslims observing the proceedings, the opposite is the truth. I remember one man, an observant Christian, held a cross in his hands the whole time. The reaction from the congregation was to talk about his faith and how we are not all that different afterall.


All I can say for sure is that it appears a decent amount of restraint and understanding was used here. This could have easily went upside down. Kudos to those involved for showing others how it can be done, peacefully. I'd say if the gent came back and tried it again - then they should simply press charges and get a restraining order.

Once, I went to a Church in the UK and the priest let me pray in a quiet corner because there was nowhere on the street to do it discretely. I'm not surprised.


I don't know for sure how other places would handle it. But imagine that it's the midst of Ramadan and a Christian guy walks into a mosque, walks to the front and starts doing his own thing and being a disruption to their members? Dare I say I think it would end differently in the overwhelming majority of places.

You are wrong too. If a Christian goes into a Mosque, he/she is welcomed with open arms. It is our religious duty to discuss faith with them and see if they want to convert.

[jimnyc]

Once, I went to a Church in the UK and the priest let me pray in a quiet corner because there was nowhere on the street to do it discretely. I'm not surprised.

Had this guy went quietly into the back and did his thing, without interrupting the ongoing service, he probably would have been allowed as well. It's the up front at the altar, dropping his prayer rug, and reciting Quran verses, all during a mass, that was the issue. It's not that a Muslim went into a church, but rather because he did so during services and went to the altar.


You are wrong too. If a Christian goes into a Mosque, he/she is welcomed with open arms. It is our religious duty to discuss faith with them and see if they want to convert.

Had he quietly went in and went by what the mosque protocol was, perhaps. But doubtful if the christian bloke walked in and went to the "altar" and did his thing, ignored the Imams speaking or whatever they do, and interrupted others in the mosque during services.

It's what he did and how and when - not just because he walked in off of the streets to a church.

[jimnyc]

Not with the men, if you are female.

Had not thought of that. I wonder if... send a grown woman, without a hijab, a christian woman - let her enter mosques in various countries. Walk to prominent areas like this guy did and do her thing on her own, while disrupting the men that are there praying.

I can't imagine a single Islamic country where this ends well. I can't think of a single mosque that will simply sit back and allow this. The best she would hope for would be the same that the church did, which would be quietly escorting her out.

Some will deny it - but imagine Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Syria or other major Muslims nations - a Christian guy walks into a mosque. He's carrying his bible and wearing a large crucifixion around his neck. He goes to the front, kneels to pray, and starts reciting bible verses. Right or wrong - he is NOT simply getting escorted out in most places. He would be lucky if he escapes with just a beating.

Jafar - if this happens in an Australian mosque, or American, I do think the treatment would be less harsh. Similar to this story where the offender simply gets removed.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Is that so?

I took my humanist Uncle into several Mosques during Ramadan when he visited me in Cairo. Nothing happened to him while he watched us pray. He enjoyed it.

major differences Hoss.
First , your uncle was an invited guest(look that word up) and was escorted by a current member. Plus a relative of a current member..
Next is the biggie = your uncle didn't disrupt services by marching up front , parading a Christian cross and quoting verses the membership have no faith in. You stated he merely observed!!!

So your little comparison falls as fast as a rock to the bottom of the pond IMHO.

What was done was intentional disrespect and an arrogant display intended to show that Islam rules over all. It doesn't, not yet and never will as long as I am alive. As long as even one man rejects it Islam will not rule over all and your version of God(Allah) will meet the fate described in the bible by all that oppose Christ's divinity.
And yes, I know those words just presented by me may get me murdered some future day.

And that's the difference between a true God and a false one. The true ONE taught love, peace and gave a path to Salvation as a gift not an honor to be earned by human deeds. Did so by allowing the sacrifice of his own Son and that Son (Jesus) did so voluntarily.. for forcing would have denied free will which man has.. And Salvation must be a choice made using free will with no human use of force .. No use of sword, gun or bombs. -Tyr

[logroller]

Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Praying you say!!! Are you truly daft???
To what God?????

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No way are you this naïve!! So I must then take it that you struggled to find a way to defend this thing because he was Muslim.. [SIZE=4]SO TOMORROW I CAN GO TO A MOSQUE HERE AND DISRUPT THIER SERVICE AS LONG AS I
PRAY TO GOD AND JESUS!!! ??[/SIZE
And that lame post by you was the result of your spin... .... - :laugh:-Tyr


This defeats your amazingly naïve/gullible post and anybody when any sense at all knows it IMHO..




It was spitting in the faces of the worshippers gathered there and you know it refuse to admit it!!! Why????
wwjd?

[jimnyc]

wwjd?

I would have passed the collection plate over to him. Thanks for asking! You did mean me, right? :dunno: :)

[Abbey Marie]

wwjd?

He would probably tell them that the only way to the Father is through Him. And that Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God.

And then turn over a table or two. He was no fan of inappropriate behavior even outside the Temple back in the day. ;)

[logroller]

Disturbing the peace IS criminal behavior.

You honestly think it would be bad precedent to charge someone with trespassing, or disturbing the peace? It would be a better precedent to allow anyone, from any religion, to walk into a church during services and go to the altar and do their own thing?

I think stating it as anything other than criminal behavior would be a bad precedent to set. Even though churches open their doors to one and all - that doesn't mean someone has a right to disturb Easter services, to approach the altar or to lay down carpets. He would have been more than welcome had he come in and sat in a chair, or knelt and prayed silently. But he went much farther beyond that, in literally "disturbing" the actual mass.

Ask yourself, does ejecting the man from church andcharging him with disturbing the peace glorify Him?

[jimnyc]

Ask yourself, does ejecting the man from church andcharging him with disturbing the peace glorify Him?

No, and that's why I originally gave kudos to those involved, for handling it in such a manner. But that doesn't mean that in all cases of interruptions that law enforcement or arrests shouldn't be involved. If someone comes into a house of worship and interrupts a service, or comes with ill intentions, then they should be at the very least removed, and perhaps have authorities called, depending on how bad their actions were. And do we believe it was just a coincidence that this took place on Easter? This was obviously designed for that day with the intent to disrupt, IMO. The church has to also take into account their parishioners who are being interrupted. While I think it's cool that they quietly did what they did, they would have been well within their rights to have him arrested and I really don't think it would have been a sinful thing to do, or otherwise un-Christian like.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

wwjd?



Abbey wrote

He would probably tell them that the only way to the Father is through Him. And that Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God.

And then turn over a table or two. He was no fan of inappropriate behavior even outside the Temple back in the day.


^^^^^^ I agree wholeheartedly with that estimation ...-Tyr

[logroller]

He would probably tell them that the only way to the Father is through Him. And that Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the children of God.

And then turn over a table or two. He was no fan of inappropriate behavior even outside the Temple back in the day. ;)
I agree with all except the table tossing; He did that, sure, but in a very different situation-- one where the temple was being used corruptly; such is not the case here. In this case, a man came and prayed, disruption or not. After flipping the table and benches Jesus said "my house will be called a house of prayer..." He doesn't say house of sermons, but prayer, which leads me to believe He would not then evict him for praying.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I agree with all except the table tossing; He did that, sure, but in a very different situation-- one where the temple was being used corruptly; such is not the case here. In this case, a man came and prayed, disruption or not. After flipping the table and benches Jesus said "my house will be called a house of prayer..." He doesn't say house of sermons, but prayer, which leads me to believe He would not then evict him for praying.
Jesus evicted the money changers for corrupting his Father's house. So why wouldn't he also evict a man that denies his divinity and was lost into a religion of corruption? A man that came there not to glorify His name or that of his Father but instead to taunt and arrogantly prove to the world that Christianity is to be derided and treated as if its an abomination..
I strongly agree with Abbey that he would put that man out just as he did the money changers in the Temple and it wasn't meekly and mildly!!

I ask again to you or anybody else that cares to answer, Is a Christian supposed to defend those that deny Christ, (defend the very evil that enslaves mankind)?? Every Islamist denies the Divinity of Jesus, in fact many even murder over it...
Care to answer since you have so defended them along with others? ..
I myself simply refuse to ever dishonor my Salvation by defending those that lead almost a quarter of mankind into darkness and eternal condemnation! --Tyr

[DragonStryk72]

:clap::clap::clap:

Exactly !

There's no 'equivalence' issue here. Since Christianity truly is a religion of peace, the Muslim could expect to walk away unharmed. Ah, but reverse it ... and imagine a Christian entering a mosque, doing the Christian equivalent. A 'peaceful' exit just wouldn't be on the cards.

Imagine a Muslim cartoonist drawing a disparaging cartoon of Christ. Would you see protests in the streets of cities, Christian protesters baying for the death of the cartoonist ???

We all know how Muslims (... sorry, 'non' Muslims, as Jafar would say ??) react to cartoon disparagements of their Prophet, don't we ....

Well, here, he would likely be shown out, but in the ME, where Sharia Orthodoxy is the law of the land, he's pretty much taking a bullet in the brainpan.

In the end, though, it's really just a guy being a dick. And it doesn't matter if you reverse it or not. A Christian walking into a mosque and pulling this sort of thing is being just as much of a dick.

[jafar00]

Had this guy went quietly into the back and did his thing, without interrupting the ongoing service, he probably would have been allowed as well. It's the up front at the altar, dropping his prayer rug, and reciting Quran verses, all during a mass, that was the issue. It's not that a Muslim went into a church, but rather because he did so during services and went to the altar.

Well, to coin a phrase from your culture, this was a bit of a dick move and unbecoming of the behaviour usually expected of a Muslim.


Had he quietly went in and went by what the mosque protocol was, perhaps. But doubtful if the christian bloke walked in and went to the "altar" and did his thing, ignored the Imams speaking or whatever they do, and interrupted others in the mosque during services.

We have kids running around the Mosque all the time during services. Once in Egypt, a man came in off the street and hugged the Imam while he was leading the prayer. It was obvious he was a few chick peas short of a falafel so a few of the brothers talked to him after the prayer and found out he was homeless and had many problems. Last I saw him, he was sitting down with the Imam and a few others and was eating with them. I don't remember what happened next. I think he was set up with proper mental health care by one of the brothers in the Mosque.


Had not thought of that. I wonder if... send a grown woman, without a hijab, a christian woman - let her enter mosques in various countries. Walk to prominent areas like this guy did and do her thing on her own, while disrupting the men that are there praying.

If that happened in my Mosque, she would be confronted politely and asked to observe our customs and told we would be happy to have a chat if she likes. If a ruckus was caused we would just call the police like any other gatecrasher.


I can't imagine a single Islamic country where this ends well. I can't think of a single mosque that will simply sit back and allow this. The best she would hope for would be the same that the church did, which would be quietly escorting her out.

Obviously you have a terribly skewed view about Muslims. We are decent human beings. We don't have 3 heads and green scales under our head coverings.


Some will deny it - but imagine Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Syria or other major Muslims nations - a Christian guy walks into a mosque. He's carrying his bible and wearing a large crucifixion around his neck. He goes to the front, kneels to pray, and starts reciting bible verses. Right or wrong - he is NOT simply getting escorted out in most places. He would be lucky if he escapes with just a beating.

This happened in a Mosque in Alexandria. He sat next to us with a cross in his hands reciting salutations to Jesus the whole time. He was just visiting the Mosque with a friend. Some tried to convert him :)

[jimnyc]

If that happened in my Mosque, she would be confronted politely and asked to observe our customs and told we would be happy to have a chat if she likes. If a ruckus was caused we would just call the police like any other gatecrasher.


Obviously you have a terribly skewed view about Muslims. We are decent human beings. We don't have 3 heads and green scales under our head coverings.

Nope. I said it could go a couple of ways, and that she would be lucky to just be escorted out, which sounds exactly as you described. But I also stand my by views that in many other places it wouldn't quite end so well. I'm speaking about places like Pakistan, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt... In some places it's not so easy when it comes to women doing as they please and flipping their noses at authority, or to be disrespectful in a mosque. So no, I don't think muslims are monsters, but I do think there are tons of muslim holy places around the world where similar people would be met with violence.

[fj1200]

He surely did. Its called "disturbing the peace" and/or trespassing. Had a Christian done that in a Mosque he would be lucky if arrested was all he got out of it. More than likely he'd been beaten to death by the usual "angry mob" of peace loving Islamic zealots!!
And Jafar would be calling them --Not Muslim!!! --Tyr

Trespassing? Not really if he left when asked. Disturbing the peace? Debatable, would the Kingdom of God be advanced by them insisting he be arrested? The rest? Not really relevant.

[fj1200]

Somebody tell me how a true Christian can defend Islam when it denies Christ's divinity....
...

Yet we see people claiming to be Christian do that and do it with vigor and often even hate-filled malice. -Tyr

Who is defending Islam?

[jafar00]

Nope. I said it could go a couple of ways, and that she would be lucky to just be escorted out, which sounds exactly as you described. But I also stand my by views that in many other places it wouldn't quite end so well. I'm speaking about places like Pakistan, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt... In some places it's not so easy when it comes to women doing as they please and flipping their noses at authority, or to be disrespectful in a mosque. So no, I don't think muslims are monsters, but I do think there are tons of muslim holy places around the world where similar people would be met with violence.

Such violence in a Mosque is an unthinkable monstrosity. A Mosque is a house of worship!

[Gaffer]

Such violence in a Mosque is an unthinkable monstrosity. A Mosque is a house of worship!

And munitions storage facility. :thumb:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Who is defending Islam?

Millions of gullible and blinded infidels. And some that play here.

When people demand truth that show evil be hidden they are actually defending those engaged in that evil. Or do you believe that "head in the sand"(preferably infidel heads) is a good way to go thru life?? I believe best medicine for the ignorant, foolish and blinded is truth and healthy large doses of it at that! -Tyr

[fj1200]

And some that play here.

Who would that be?

[NightTrain]

Such violence in a Mosque is an unthinkable monstrosity. A Mosque is a house of worship!


You must not get news over there other than Al-Jazeera. And here I thought Australia would have a decent news industry.

There were LOTS of mosques being used to fight from in the last 10 years, and a few of them even came complete with women and children to stand in the windows in front of the courageous muzzies firing AK-47s & RPGs over their shoulders at American soldiers.

Your version of 'unthinkable' is SOP to a great many other muzzies.

I'm beginning to think you're not very truthful, Jafar. Are you hiding something? Got something you want to get off your chest?

[NightTrain]

And munitions storage facility. :thumb:


Hahahaha!! You're still my hero, Gaffer.

[jafar00]

You must not get news over there other than Al-Jazeera. And here I thought Australia would have a decent news industry.

There were LOTS of mosques being used to fight from in the last 10 years, and a few of them even came complete with women and children to stand in the windows in front of the courageous muzzies firing AK-47s & RPGs over their shoulders at American soldiers.

Your version of 'unthinkable' is SOP to a great many other muzzies.

I'm beginning to think you're not very truthful, Jafar. Are you hiding something? Got something you want to get off your chest?

Well, you did bring them war and death. The Mosque is the best place of refuge. When you attacked them, they had no choice but to defend themselves, to the death if that was necessary.

If you were taking refuge in a Church and a foreign invasion army was firing on you, what would you do about it?

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Well, you did bring them war and death.

You're damn right we brought them war and death. It's better to fight wars on the enemy's turf than fuck up our own infrastructure... most civilized nations learned that a long time ago.

Since you didn't police your own, we had to. We've been over this before.

Bush told all of you that we'd make no distinction between terrorists and those that harbor them, they didn't heed the warning and they paid the price.


The Mosque is the best place of refuge. When you attacked them, they had no choice but to defend themselves, to the death if that was necessary.

Excellent. So, now that we've dispensed with the whole 'unthinkable' line of bullshit and you've smoothly diverted to justifying their involvement in using mosques as a fort...

You're wrong. They used the mosques as bases, battle planning & supply depots and when American forces were hunting the vermin down they all beelined to the nearest mosque. Those brave muzzies hid behind women and children while trying to get American soldiers to shoot them inside a Mosque for news cameras.

Other than trying to lure missiles to a mosque for news camera footage and forcing civilians to be their meat shields, how the hell was it the best place of refuge?

It's outright cowardice.

You know it, I know it, the world knows it.


If you were taking refuge in a Church and a foreign invasion army was firing on you, what would you do about it?

If that preposterous scenario somehow came to be, I would be a part of large-scale maneuvers alongside millions of other armed Americans that involved direct fighting with the enemy to kill them as quickly as possible instead of hiding behind women & children in religious places of worship.

Australia had a taste of bloody combat in WWI and WWII, I'm mildly surprised that with your country's honorable performance on the field of battle that you think it's okay to engage in this sort of behavior.

Did you learn these tactics while serving in the Royal Australian Navy? Somehow I think if your old commanders saw some of the shit you say these days they'd be mortified that you used to be one of them.