Al-qaeda calls for car bomb attacks on american cities, targets abroad

[Jeff]

I thought according to our fearless leader the war on terror was over :rolleyes: It doesn't look it to me , with threats like this it looks like the war on terror may be over ( for some that hope the American people are stupid enough to believe it ) but the enemy is still playing.



The latest issue of Al-Qaeda's Inspire (https://ia600601.us.archive.org/18/items/INSPIRE-12/INS-EH.pdf) magazine contains an article about using car bombs in U.S. cities as well as abroad during election seasons, both presidential and congressional, as well as on Christmas and New Years Eve.

The cities and areas listed in the piece include Washington, D.C., New York, Northern Virginia, Chicago, and Los Angeles.
America is our first target, followed by United Kingdom, France and other crusader countries.

As for the field target for the car-bomb, you have places flooded with individuals, e.g. sports events in which tens of thousands attend, election campaigns, festivals and other gathering. The important thing is that you target people and not buildings:


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/03/15/Al-Qaeda-Set-To-Attack-American-Cities-And-Abroad

[jafar00]

Al Qaeda magazine? Now I've seen it all. Does it include fashion tips to ensure you have a good looking corpse after doing a suicide bomb?

[Jeff]

Al Qaeda magazine? Now I've seen it all. Does it include fashion tips to ensure you have a good looking corpse after doing a suicide bomb?


I am not sure , why don't you enlighten us ?

[Jeff]

Al Qaeda magazine? Now I've seen it all. Does it include fashion tips to ensure you have a good looking corpse after doing a suicide bomb?

Just because you try and blow it off as BS here ya go ! I love when some poster want to protect themselves simply by calling BS :laugh:



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Editor
Unknown; former editor Samir Khan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Khan) was killed in September 2011[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspire_(magazine)#cite_note-1)


Categories
Propaganda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda)


First issue
June 2010


Country
Yemen


Language
English

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Inspire is an English language online magazine reported to be published by the organization al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda_in_the_Arabian_Peninsula)(AQAP). The magazine is one of the many ways AQAP uses the Internet to reach its audience. Numerous international and domestic extremists motivated by radical interpretations of Islam have been influenced by the magazine and, in some cases, reportedly used its bomb-making instructions in their attempts to carry out attacks.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspire_(magazine)#cite_note-2) The magazine is an important brand-building tool, not just of AQAP, but of all al-Qaeda branches, franchises and affiliates.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspire_(magazine)#cite_note-3)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspire_(magazine)

[jafar00]

Just because you try and blow it off as BS here ya go ! I love when some poster want to protect themselves simply by calling BS :laugh:






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspire_(magazine)

How to make a bomb in your Mom's (US spelling!) kitchen? You can't make this stuff up. Comedy gold!

Edit: Are you sure this isn't from the Onion?

[jimnyc]

How to make a bomb in your Mom's (US spelling!) kitchen? You can't make this stuff up. Comedy gold!

Edit: Are you sure this isn't from the Onion?

A lot of it is explained on the Wiki page Jeff linked to, and has no less than 45 sources about it at the bottom. No one has ever claimed the brilliance of these muslim terrorists. But yes, they are that brazen, and it has been confirmed a long time back that Al Qaeda used the internet to plan attacks, as well as a tool of recruitment.

[jafar00]

A lot of it is explained on the Wiki page Jeff linked to, and has no less than 45 sources about it at the bottom. No one has ever claimed the brilliance of these muslim terrorists. But yes, they are that brazen, and it has been confirmed a long time back that Al Qaeda used the internet to plan attacks, as well as a tool of recruitment.

They need to try harder. I could pick apart their twisted ideology with ease.

[jimnyc]

They need to try harder. I could pick apart their twisted ideology with ease.

Maybe so, but they prey on the weak, illiterate and otherwise uninformed. To the retards that they recruit - what they are told is gospel and the only thing most of them know. They will swear that their knowledge and translation of the Quran is correct and you are wrong.

[jafar00]

Maybe so, but they prey on the weak, illiterate and otherwise uninformed. To the retards that they recruit - what they are told is gospel and the only thing most of them know. They will swear that their knowledge and translation of the Quran is correct and you are wrong.

This comes back to what I was saying about education being the best weapon against these people, not bombs. Any Muslim with the most basic knowledge about his religion would see straight through their lies and realise that Islam is not what they are preaching.

[Jeff]

This comes back to what I was saying about education being the best weapon against these people, not bombs. Any Muslim with the most basic knowledge about his religion would see straight through their lies and realise that Islam is not what they are preaching.


I have to agree with ya jafar , education is always the best weapon but that still doesn't make this story any less true

[jafar00]

I have to agree with ya jafar , education is always the best weapon but that still doesn't make this story any less true

I believe the Al CIAda theory. They are just too good a propaganda tool with which to demonise Muslims because of the way they are represented in the media as Muslims.

[jimnyc]

I believe the Al CIAda theory. They are just too good a propaganda tool with which to demonise Muslims because of the way they are represented in the media as Muslims.

Sure, push blame on the CIA for the endless attacks in endless countries by Muslims. Feel free to blame American intel for things on paper - but the Muslims who are committing these endless attacks, in endless countries, are not CIA.

[Voted4Reagan]

This comes back to what I was saying about education being the best weapon against these people, not bombs. Any Muslim with the most basic knowledge about his religion would see straight through their lies and realise that Islam is not what they are preaching.

Since 2/3's of the Billion plus Muslims world wide can neither read nor write... To understand the Quran wouldn't it be helpful if they could read it for themselves??

To allow a narrow band of clerics to determine what the scriptures say leads to radicalism, there is no ability on the part of the uneducated to form an independent opinion.

Islam needs to concentrate on educating ALL of it's people and bringing them into the 21st Century through Knowledge and understanding.

[Drummond]

I believe the Al CIAda theory. They are just too good a propaganda tool with which to demonise Muslims because of the way they are represented in the media as Muslims.

First, it was MI6 behind Choudary. Now, you've contrived an excuse to have a go at the CIA.

This is a variation on the 'It's all Bush's fault' mantra .. eh ? Basically, Jafar, do you blame the West for all Islamic terrorism ??

And if you're inclined to ... doesn't that mean that you're playing the terrorist game, propaganda-wise ?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Since 2/3's of the Billion plus Muslims world wide can neither read nor write... To understand the Quran wouldn't it be helpful if they could read it for themselves??

To allow a narrow band of clerics to determine what the scriptures say leads to radicalism, there is no ability on the part of the uneducated to form an independent opinion.

Islam needs to concentrate on educating ALL of it's people and bringing them into the 21st Century through Knowledge and understanding. ^^^ That truth will get you killed in muslim nations. You see its always been that a few privileged where allowed to rule the masses in Islam. Islam is a perfect opposite of any form of democracy. It has one dictator= Allah and one Vice-dictator = Muhammad. First one has never been seen and the second one is as dead as Abraham Lincoln. Yet the second dead one is worshipped as a Demigod that is considered infallible.
Knowledge is power and only Allah is to have power in Islam. So the Koran never commands the slaves to learn. Should they do so they will see the contradictions in the Koran. -Tyr

[jafar00]

Since 2/3's of the Billion plus Muslims world wide can neither read nor write... To understand the Quran wouldn't it be helpful if they could read it for themselves??

To allow a narrow band of clerics to determine what the scriptures say leads to radicalism, there is no ability on the part of the uneducated to form an independent opinion.

Islam needs to concentrate on educating ALL of it's people and bringing them into the 21st Century through Knowledge and understanding.

2/3 of Muslims illiterate?

I'd give you a new hat but it seems you are already wearing one. That is so ignorant!

http://freemasonrywatch.org/pics/kkk_hood.jpg


First, it was MI6 behind Choudary. Now, you've contrived an excuse to have a go at the CIA.

This is a variation on the 'It's all Bush's fault' mantra .. eh ? Basically, Jafar, do you blame the West for all Islamic terrorism ??

And if you're inclined to ... doesn't that mean that you're playing the terrorist game, propaganda-wise ?

Yes I do blame the West. It was MI5's support and promotion of Mohamed Ibn Abd Al Wahhab that started it all.

[Voted4Reagan]

2/3 of Muslims illiterate?

I'd give you a new hat but it seems you are already wearing one. That is so ignorant!



…the whole Arab world translates about three hundred books annually–one fifth the number that Greece alone translates; investment in research and development is less than one seventh the world average; and Internet connectivity is worse than in sub-Saharan Africa . *

(http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Education_and_Employment#cite_ref-3)

(http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:BookSources/9211261473)

Fifty-seven Muslim majority countries have an average of ten universities each for a total of less than 600 universities for 1.4 billion people; India has 8,407 universities, the U.S. has 5,758.
. . .
Of the 1.4 billion Muslims 800 million are illiterate (6 out of 10 Muslims cannot read). In Christendom, adult literacy rate stands at 78 percent. **




Large numbers of children in African and Arab countries are still shut out of classrooms, with primary school participation at below 60% in 17 OIC countries. More than half the adult population is illiterate in some countries, and the proportion is as high as 70% among women. Four out of 10 children in the African sub-region are out of school, as are a quarter of children in Arab member states.
. . .
Only 26 out of 57 OIC members are on course to achieve the primary education gender equality targets for 2005.***



The 57-member countries of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) have around 500 universities compared with more than 5,000 universities in the US and more than 8,000 in India. In 2004, Shanghai Jiao Tong University compiled an "Academic Ranking of World Universities", and none of the universities from Muslim-majority states was included in the top 500.****



The 2002 United Nations Arab Development Report, compiled by leading Arab scholars and intellectuals, reported that fewer than 350 books were translated into Arabic every year, less than one-fifth the number translated into Greek. The 2003 report added that the 10,000 books translated into Spanish every year exceeded those translated into Arabic— over the entire millennium.*****


Nearly half of all women in the Arab world are illiterate
Nearly one in three people in the Arab world is illiterate, including nearly half of all women in the region, the Tunis-based Arab League Educational Cultural and Scientific Organisation (Alecso) said Monday. Three-quarters of the 100 million people unable to read or write in the 21 Arab countries are aged between 15 and 45 years old, Alecso said in a statement.
Equally alarming, some 46.5% of women in the region are illiterate, the organisation reported, urging governments to put the fight against illiteracy at the top of their agendas



*↑ (http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Education_and_Employment#cite_ref-3) Rima Khalaf Hunaidi, Abdel Latif Youssef El Hamed, Nader Fergany - Arab Human Development Report 2002 (http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.un.org/Pubs/whatsnew/e02175.htm&date=2012-11-27) - United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), ISBN 9211261473

** (http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:BookSources/9211261473)Dr Farrukh Saleem - (http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:BookSources/9211261473)What went wrong? (http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://web.archive.org/web/20051129011120/http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/nov2005-daily/08-11-2005/oped/o6.htm&date=2012-08-14) - The News International, November 8, 2005

*** "Investing in the Children of the Islamic World" (http://www.unicef.org/policyanalysis/files/FactsheetInvesting.pdf), Unicef, Factsheet, November 2005 (archived (http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unicef.org%2Fpolicyanal ysis%2Ffiles%2FFactsheetInvesting.pdf&date=2013-12-01)).

**** ↑ (http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Education_and_Employment#cite_ref-Husain_Haqqani_6-0) Husain Haqqani - Reasons for decline of the Muslim world (http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/reasons-for-decline-of-the-muslim-world-1.176750&date=2012-03-10) - Gulf News, May 2, 2007

***** Arab Media: The Web 2.0 Revolution (extended version) (http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://carnegie.org/publications/carnegie-reporter/single/view/article/item/71/&date=2012-08-09) - Carnegie Reporter, Vol. 5, No. 1, Fall 2008

[jimnyc]

The most disturbing trend in looking at the literacy rate in Islamic countries is the difference between men and women. In some places the rate is high, and it was pointed out elsewhere (not my words) that these places were former Soviet and such, and that the others were from a 'theocracy'. I marked in red the areas I thought were quite disturbing. (Fwiw - the literacy rate in the USA was 97.9% in 1993 and as of 2008 it was at 99.9 (and this is measured by "age 15 and over can read and write.") How can society as a whole succeed when the women aren't allowed to be educated and the literacy rates are so disgustingly low? The numbers as a total throughout ALL of these countries is mind boggling. And no, one can't simply blame this on "how can you get an education in a war zone" (before that happens). It's the lack of importance placed on education for starters. a HUGE disparity between men and women, and we all know why. There has been MORE than ample time over hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years to place importance on educating people, building schools and such. The Islamic nations in total have MANY more people, but a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of schools compared to the rest of the world.


<tbody>
Iran
total population: 72.1%
male: 78.4%
female: 65.8% (1994 est.)
Afghanistan
total population: 31.5%
male: 47.2%
female: 15% (1995 est.)



Algeria
total population: 61.6%
male: 73.9%
female: 49% (1995 est.)

Bahrain
total population: 85.2%
male: 89.1%
female: 79.4% (1995 est.)



Djibouti
total population: 46.2%
male: 60.3%
female: 32.7% (1995 est.)

Egypt
total population: 51.4%
male: 63.6%
female: 38.8% (1995 est.)





Jordan
total population: 86.6%
male: 93.4%
female: 79.4% (1995 est.)

Kyrgyztan
total population: 97%
male: 99%
female: 96% (1989 est.)



Kyrgyztan
total population: 97%
male: 99%
female: 96% (1989 est.)
Libya
total population: 76.2%
male: 87.9%
female: 63% (1995 est.)



Mauritania
total population: 37.7%
male: 49.6%
female: 26.3% (1995 est.)

Nigeria
total population: 57.1%
male: 67.3%
female: 47.3% (1995 est.)



Pakistan
total population: 37.8%
male: 50%
female: 24.4% (1995 est.)

Somalia
total population: 24%
male: 36%
female: 14% (1990 est.)



Syria
total population: 70.8%
male: 85.7%
female: 55.8% (1997 est.)

Tunisia
total population: 66.7%
male: 78.6%
female: 54.6% (1995 est.)



Turkmenistan
total population: 98%
male: 99%
female: 97% (1989 est.)
Uzbekistan
total population: 99%
male: 99%
female: 99% (yearend 1996)


Albania age 9 and over
can read and write
total population: 93%
male: NA%
female: NA% (1997 est.)
Azerbaijan
total population: 97%
male: 99%
female: 96% (1989 est.)


</tbody>

http://en.rafed.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1097:rate-of-literacy-in-islamic-countries&catid=156:did-you-know&Itemid=1009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Education/Literacy/Total-population
India - http://www.rina.in/national/the-literacy-rate-of-muslims-as-a-ratio-of-the-national-average-has-also-gone-up-k-rahman-khan/

[Voted4Reagan]

no reply from Jafar

[Drummond]

2/3 of Muslims illiterate?

I'd give you a new hat but it seems you are already wearing one. That is so ignorant!

http://freemasonrywatch.org/pics/kkk_hood.jpg



Yes I do blame the West. It was MI5's support and promotion of Mohamed Ibn Abd Al Wahhab that started it all.

You realise, of course, that Islamic terrorists would be delighted with your answer ?

You must be proud, Jafar ... playing into their hands like that.

Well, I've got news for you. Much though Islamists would love to rewrite history, it remains a fact that AMERICA DID NOT CAUSE 9/11 .. AL QAEDA DID. Not because they 'had to', but because they chose to.

Does it not occur to you that by suggesting any shift of culpability at all, you are gratuitously insulting the victims of that atrocity ?

[jafar00]

The most disturbing trend in looking at the literacy rate in Islamic countries is the difference between men and women. In some places the rate is high, and it was pointed out elsewhere (not my words) that these places were former Soviet and such, and that the others were from a 'theocracy'. I marked in red the areas I thought were quite disturbing. (Fwiw - the literacy rate in the USA was 97.9% in 1993 and as of 2008 it was at 99.9 (and this is measured by "age 15 and over can read and write.") How can society as a whole succeed when the women aren't allowed to be educated and the literacy rates are so disgustingly low? The numbers as a total throughout ALL of these countries is mind boggling. And no, one can't simply blame this on "how can you get an education in a war zone" (before that happens). It's the lack of importance placed on education for starters. a HUGE disparity between men and women, and we all know why. There has been MORE than ample time over hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years to place importance on educating people, building schools and such. The Islamic nations in total have MANY more people, but a tiny, tiny, tiny percentage of schools compared to the rest of the world.


<tbody>
Iran
total population: 72.1%
male: 78.4%
female: 65.8% (1994 est.)
Afghanistan
total population: 31.5%
male: 47.2%
female: 15% (1995 est.)


Algeria
total population: 61.6%
male: 73.9%
female: 49% (1995 est.)
Bahrain
total population: 85.2%
male: 89.1%
female: 79.4% (1995 est.)


Djibouti
total population: 46.2%
male: 60.3%
female: 32.7% (1995 est.)
Egypt
total population: 51.4%
male: 63.6%
female: 38.8% (1995 est.)




Jordan
total population: 86.6%
male: 93.4%
female: 79.4% (1995 est.)
Kyrgyztan
total population: 97%
male: 99%
female: 96% (1989 est.)


Kyrgyztan
total population: 97%
male: 99%
female: 96% (1989 est.)
Libya
total population: 76.2%
male: 87.9%
female: 63% (1995 est.)


Mauritania
total population: 37.7%
male: 49.6%
female: 26.3% (1995 est.)
Nigeria
total population: 57.1%
male: 67.3%
female: 47.3% (1995 est.)


Pakistan
total population: 37.8%
male: 50%
female: 24.4% (1995 est.)
Somalia
total population: 24%
male: 36%
female: 14% (1990 est.)


Syria
total population: 70.8%
male: 85.7%
female: 55.8% (1997 est.)
Tunisia
total population: 66.7%
male: 78.6%
female: 54.6% (1995 est.)


Turkmenistan
total population: 98%
male: 99%
female: 97% (1989 est.)
Uzbekistan
total population: 99%
male: 99%
female: 99% (yearend 1996)


Albania age 9 and over
can read and write
total population: 93%
male: NA%
female: NA% (1997 est.)
Azerbaijan
total population: 97%
male: 99%
female: 96% (1989 est.)

</tbody>

http://en.rafed.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1097:rate-of-literacy-in-islamic-countries&catid=156:did-you-know&Itemid=1009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Education/Literacy/Total-population
India - http://www.rina.in/national/the-literacy-rate-of-muslims-as-a-ratio-of-the-national-average-has-also-gone-up-k-rahman-khan/

Nice cherry picked data. Literacy does indeed suffer in impoverished or traditional countries and usually the women are less educated since they are busy looking after the family cooking, getting food etc....

Don't forget to mention majority Christian countries like

Ethiopia with 39% literacy (49.1:28.9% Men:Women),
Benin with 42.4% literacy (55.2:30.3)
Nigeria with 61.3% literacy (72.1:50.4)

How about Buddhist Bhutan? 52.8% literacy (65:38.7)

You also missed out Saudi Arabia with 86.6% literacy and a ratio of 90.4:81.3 which is pretty close and doesn't really back up your huge disparity theory about Islamic countries.

It's not as simple as saying Muslims are uneducated and don't educate their women. There are so many other forces involved.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate


You realise, of course, that Islamic terrorists would be delighted with your answer ?

You must be proud, Jafar ... playing into their hands like that.

Well, I've got news for you. Much though Islamists would love to rewrite history, it remains a fact that AMERICA DID NOT CAUSE 9/11 .. AL QAEDA DID. Not because they 'had to', but because they chose to.

Does it not occur to you that by suggesting any shift of culpability at all, you are gratuitously insulting the victims of that atrocity ?

9/11 was an inside job. :p

I was talking about the extremism that led some away from the Islamic path to form unIslamic terrorist groups that we see today.

[Gunny]

Nice cherry picked data. Literacy does indeed suffer in impoverished or traditional countries and usually the women are less educated since they are busy looking after the family cooking, getting food etc....

Don't forget to mention majority Christian countries like

Ethiopia with 39% literacy (49.1:28.9% Men:Women),
Benin with 42.4% literacy (55.2:30.3)
Nigeria with 61.3% literacy (72.1:50.4)

How about Buddhist Bhutan? 52.8% literacy (65:38.7)

You also missed out Saudi Arabia with 86.6% literacy and a ratio of 90.4:81.3 which is pretty close and doesn't really back up your huge disparity theory about Islamic countries.

It's not as simple as saying Muslims are uneducated and don't educate their women. There are so many other forces involved.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate



9/11 was an inside job. :p

I was talking about the extremism that led some away from the Islamic path to form unIslamic terrorist groups that we see today.

We ain't gonna get along, are we?

[jafar00]

We ain't gonna get along, are we?

We can always get along but disagree. But I guess friendly debate is easier to do over a pot of tea and some tasty kebabs than over the internet. ;)

[Jeff]

We ain't gonna get along, are we?


We can always get along but disagree. But I guess friendly debate is easier to do over a pot of tea and some tasty kebabs than over the internet. ;)



Can't we all just get along :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Naa that would be boring :laugh:

[jimnyc]

Nice cherry picked data. Literacy does indeed suffer in impoverished or traditional countries and usually the women are less educated since they are busy looking after the family cooking, getting food etc....

Cherry picked? LOL I posted every last thing that was on the page I got it from. And that many countries with so many issues is hardly cherry picking. As for the women, while I haven't yet looked - I'm already willing to bet - that the majority of those places also are places where women have less rights. You say it's because they are home, I call bullshit. Of course they MAY be home, but most likely because they aren't allowed to work or get an education.

And even if they are just staying home, look at those numbers!!! Even the men in those places have absolutely horrid numbers.

The reasoning matters little to me anyway. The fact is, these societies want it this way. They want dumbed down citizens who can be controlled. This is how people get read astray on the religion, as it's much easier to have someone teach you radical ways than it is to learn to read and do so for yourself.

Also, my Mom was a stay at home Mom - and she was bright as a bulb. Just because they stay home doesn't mean they can't be educated. Why can't a woman who stays home for the family not have learned how to read and write?

[Drummond]

9/11 was an inside job. :p

If you meant that as a joke, it's a pretty sick one to attempt. More .. AGAIN, this surely insults those who died on that day.

But then, ARE you joking ? I really think you're not, Jafar. You've claimed before now, repeatedly, that Anjem Choudary 'is a MI5 stooge'.

So what did that make bin Laden, then, in your estimation ... a CIA stooge ??


I was talking about the extremism that led some away from the Islamic path to form unIslamic terrorist groups that we see today.

I see we're back to that - wholly unbelievable - theme of yours. 'Yes', all the world's terrorists are 'unIslamic', and it 'just so happens' that ALL terrorist groups, EVERYWHERE, are 'mistaken' when they identify themselves as Islamic .. ???!!??

What a 'coincidence' that so many terrorists, separated by thousands of miles, just 'coincidentally' misunderstand Islam in just the same way .. eh ??

Jafar -you go to ridiculous, ACTUALLY OBSCENE, lengths to sanitise your religion. There's a thread on this forum, 48 pages long the last time I checked, which testifies in spades as to HOW obscene the TRUTH is. Page after page of post after post, almost every one detailing DOZENS of deaths and mutilations, ALL DONE IN THE NAME OF ISLAM.

I've made this challenge to you before, and I'm making it again now. If a 'religion of peace' can be so misunderstood, so misinterpreted, then it must stand to reason that other such examples are readily seen from other religions. WHY SHOULD IT ONLY BE ISLAM THAT'S SO MISINTERPRETED ?? -- SO -- I challenge you, AGAIN, to start a thread that details dozens of 'Christian' terrorist murders committed every day.

Come on, Jafar ... what's stopping you ??

OR, COULD IT BE THAT ISLAM'S ADHERENTS ARE PART OF SOMETHING BARBARIC, MURDEROUS, THAT IS IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS A THROWBACK TO MORE SAVAGE TIMES ... AND THAT THE 'RELIGION' ITSELF ONLY DESERVES ITS EXTINCTION ??

By the way, Jafar, how's that support you have for Hamas working out for you ? Why so silent about it ?

[Drummond]

We can always get along but disagree. But I guess friendly debate is easier to do over a pot of tea and some tasty kebabs than over the internet. ;)

.. or even over a pint of lager and a nice, tasty bacon sarnie, eh, Jafar ?

Jafar - in all seriousness, you need to give serious thought about showing more respect for the victims of 9/11 and other atrocities carried out in the name of Islam (e.g the London bombings in 2005, resulting in both deaths AND mutilations). Your sanitising attempts go so far that they subvert (... were they to ever be believed ...) the truth of who, and what, is culpable for those many deaths and that suffering.

And that cannot be anything less than massively insulting to the victims.

If you want friendly debate, Jafar, none of this is conducive to that.

[jafar00]

Cherry picked? LOL I posted every last thing that was on the page I got it from. And that many countries with so many issues is hardly cherry picking. As for the women, while I haven't yet looked - I'm already willing to bet - that the majority of those places also are places where women have less rights. You say it's because they are home, I call bullshit. Of course they MAY be home, but most likely because they aren't allowed to work or get an education.

And even if they are just staying home, look at those numbers!!! Even the men in those places have absolutely horrid numbers.

The reasoning matters little to me anyway. The fact is, these societies want it this way. They want dumbed down citizens who can be controlled. This is how people get read astray on the religion, as it's much easier to have someone teach you radical ways than it is to learn to read and do so for yourself.

Also, my Mom was a stay at home Mom - and she was bright as a bulb. Just because they stay home doesn't mean they can't be educated. Why can't a woman who stays home for the family not have learned how to read and write?

I agree that some countries do lag behind in education and women often get less opportunity due to them having a different lifestyle to what you are used to in your affluent country. There are of course some who actively suppress women's education which is wrong. They could use Islam to get those rights back.

Yes, Islam to give women the rights to learn and work!

The Prophet Mohamd's (saw) wives are a good example.

Khadija was a sucessful business woman. Aisha is revered as one of Islam's greatest Scholars. I have no idea where the Taliban and others get the idea that women should not learn, but it wasn't from Islam!

Here are some Hadiths supporting education.

Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ashari: "The Prophet said, 'He who has a slave-girl and teaches her good manners and improves her education and then manumits and marries her, will get a double reward; and any slave who observes Allah's right and his master's right will get a double reward.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Manumission of Slaves, Volume 3, Book 46, Number 723)"

This by the way is also an example of how the Prophet (saw) also gradually phased out slavery which was common at the time. There were great rewards in educating and freeing slaves.


Narrated AbudDarda': "Kathir ibn Qays said: I was sitting with AbudDarda' in the mosque of Damascus. A man came to him and said: AbudDarda, I have come to you from the town of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) for a tradition that I have heard you relate from the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). I have come for no other purpose.

He said: I heard the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) say: If anyone travels on a road in search of knowledge, Allah will cause them to travel on one of the roads of Paradise. The angels will lower their wings in their great pleasure with one who seeks knowledge, the inhabitants of the heavens and the Earth and the fish in the deep waters will ask forgiveness for the learned. The superiority of the learned over the devout is like that of the moon, on the night when it is full, over the rest of the stars. The learned are the heirs of the Prophets, and the Prophets leave neither dinar nor dirham, leaving only knowledge, and he who takes it takes an abundant portion. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Knowledge (Kitab Al-Ilm), Book 25, Number 3634)"


Narrated AbuHurayrah: "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If anyone acquires knowledge of things by which Allah's good pleasure is sought, but acquires it only to get some worldly advantage, will not experience the arf, i.e. the odour, of Paradise. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Knowledge (Kitab Al-Ilm), Book 25, Number 3656)"

(It is) a Book We have revealed to you abounding in good that they may ponder over its verses, and that those endowed with understanding may be mindful. (38:29)

Say: Are those who know and those who do not know alike? Only the those of understanding are mindful. (39:9)

And who can forget the very first word of the Qur'aan to Mohamed (saw) was "Read!"

Read in the name of your Lord Who created. (96:1)

The Taliban and whoever else suppresses a woman's right to an education is NOT following Islam. You are right to be against them, however don't blame Islam because Islam is the solution, not the cause.



If you meant that as a joke, it's a pretty sick one to attempt. More .. AGAIN, this surely insults those who died on that day.

But then, ARE you joking ? I really think you're not, Jafar. You've claimed before now, repeatedly, that Anjem Choudary 'is a MI5 stooge'.

So what did that make bin Laden, then, in your estimation ... a CIA stooge ??

I am not alone in seeing big holes in the simplistic official account of 9/11. The evidence doesn't point to the whole thing being done by a bunch of medieval goat herders.



I see we're back to that - wholly unbelievable - theme of yours. 'Yes', all the world's terrorists are 'unIslamic', and it 'just so happens' that ALL terrorist groups, EVERYWHERE, are 'mistaken' when they identify themselves as Islamic .. ???!!??

It's up to you to prove to me that they are in any way Islamic, despite what they claim. Was Joseph Kony's LRA a Christian group? He certainly claimed so.

I know these groups are in total opposition to Islam and have proven so in past threads. It's up to you now to provide some scripture that supports your interpretation.


I've made this challenge to you before, and I'm making it again now. If a 'religion of peace' can be so misunderstood, so misinterpreted, then it must stand to reason that other such examples are readily seen from other religions. WHY SHOULD IT ONLY BE ISLAM THAT'S SO MISINTERPRETED ?? -- SO -- I challenge you, AGAIN, to start a thread that details dozens of 'Christian' terrorist murders committed every day.

Come on, Jafar ... what's stopping you ??

There are copious amounts of propaganda against Muslims mostly from Israel such as Memri and other well funded and well supported organisations who's only purpose is the demonisation of Arabs and Muslims by misrepresentation, fact twisting or just plain lies. The opposite is not true. There are thousands of crimes committed around the world by Christians and people of other religions, however their religious affiliation is never mentioned until someone who may or may not be Muslim does something. It's is a problem of the media.


.. or even over a pint of lager and a nice, tasty bacon sarnie, eh, Jafar ?

You can have those. I will just have the kebab and perhaps a shisha :p

[Drummond]

I am not alone in seeing big holes in the simplistic official account of 9/11.

Ah ... conspiracy theory stuff. The kind of thing we see crop up only after a great length of time has first passed .. :rolleyes:


The evidence doesn't point to the whole thing being done by a bunch of medieval goat herders.

No, it points to a bunch of Al Qaeda thugs who went to great lengths to learn enough about flying planes so that their chances of succeeding in their Islamic terrorism were maximised.


It's up to you to prove to me that they are in any way Islamic, despite what they claim.

You mean, you want me to add 48 pages' worth of that proof, from the thread on this forum which catalogues Islamic terrorist atrocities on an almost daily basis ???


Was Joseph Kony's LRA a Christian group? He certainly claimed so.

Having never heard of him, I wouldn't know. Let me ask you in return if you're referring to a network of terrorist groups both spanning the globe, and killing and maiming on that same scale ?


I know these groups are in total opposition to Islam and have proven so in past threads. It's up to you now to provide some scripture that supports your interpretation.

First, show me how so many groups, right across the world, somehow manage to make exactly the same so-called 'mistake', if it really IS one. YOU CAN'T .. BECAUSE IT DEFIES LOGIC.


There are copious amounts of propaganda against Muslims mostly from Israel such as Memri and other well funded and well supported organisations who's only purpose is the demonisation of Arabs and Muslims by misrepresentation, fact twisting or just plain lies.

If your characterisation of Memri (for example) were true, wouldn't they have been discredited long ago ? YET .. there they are, still disseminating the material they do.

No, Jafar. There is way too much evidence against Jihadist, terrorist Islamists for you to dismiss it in those terms.

And since you mention Israel, tell us of the 'fiction' of all the Hamas attacks Israel has had to suffer !!! Explain your continuing, unwavering support of Hamas !!


The opposite is not true. There are thousands of crimes committed around the world by Christians and people of other religions, however their religious affiliation is never mentioned until someone who may or may not be Muslim does something. It's is a problem of the media.

THEN TAKE UP MY CHALLENGE TO OPEN A THREAD AND CATALOGUE IT ALL.


You can have those. I will just have the kebab and perhaps a shisha :p

Your loss, Jafar.:p

When you were over here, in the UK, did you ever watch Al Murray's 'The Pub Landlord' ? He has a comedy sketch in which he proposes certain 'evident proofs' of proof that God must exist. One such proof is about the enjoyment of bacon .....

.. Perhaps this helps to explain why the Al Qaeda 'hierarchy' are such miserable, sour little gits, with such a warped need to bomb the guts out of people (sometimes literally) .. ??

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

And who can forget the very first word of the Qur'aan to Mohamed (saw) was "Read!"

Read in the name of your Lord Who created. (96:1)

And please tell us how Allah's great servant Mohammad obeyed that command!! Don't ignore do give an answer.. Did he ever read? Ever learn to read and to write?? -Tyr

[jafar00]

And please tell us how Allah's great servant Mohammad obeyed that command!! Don't ignore do give an answer.. Did he ever read? Ever learn to read and to write?? -Tyr

Yes, he did.

[Drummond]

Jafar ... heyy, how's that 'Christian terrorist' thread coming along ?

.. I mean., we will see it .. ?

.. surely .. ???

Granted, the Islamic one has had ample material fed into it to manage 48 pages and counting. But surely you - IF you're correct - can give it a run for its money ?

... NO .. ???

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Yes, he did.

Really??? --Tyr




http://www.al-islam.org/authenticity-quran-shaykh-muslim-bhanji/prophet-muhammad-s-was-unlettered

Prophet Muhammad (S) was Unlettered

It is impossible for this Qur’an to have been produced by a single individual or to have been borrowed by him from other sources, particularly an individual who was unlettered, had not even studied, and had grown up in the degenerate environment of the Arabian peninsula at that time, an environment which was totally alien to science and philosophy.

All historians are unanimous that the Prophet was an unlettered man who had never known books or teachers and never learned how to write. The Qur’an itself addressed him as follows:

“Before this, you did not read any book, nor did you write anything with your hands”. (29:48).

Before the revelation of the Holy Qur’an, the Holy Prophet could neither write with his own hand nor could he read anything written by the others, and this is a fact vouched by one and all of the age of the Holy Prophet.

No opponent in the life time of the Prophet ever raised his voiced to challenge this verse, since for the forty years they stayed with him, they knew he was unlettered. How could have then the prophet authored such an unmatchable book by himself. With this fact in view, it would be sheer absurdity to say that what he delivered as the Qur’an was not the revelation from God, but a reproduction of what he read in the other scriptures and what he wrote, i.e. composed of and memorised.

One may wonder why God, the Almighty commissioned one who was deprived of the capacity of reading or writing as His Apostle? Was not the Prophet supposed to be the most knowledgeable one who was required to teach the people the Book and the wisdom? The answer is that inability to write and read does not mean ignorance, as the Holy Prophet was gifted divine knowledge through miracle, and according to some researchers, the Prophet knew how to read and write not through learning from a teacher but through divine inspiration and miracle.

Infact, the immediate next verse of the Holy Qur’an asserts that the Prophet was granted knowledge:

“Nay! It (Qur’an) is the clear signs in the breast of those who have been granted the knowledge” (29:49).

The Prophet (S) confirmed this by saying: “I am the city of Knowledge and Ali is its door”.

Whatever the case, the obvious fact remains the same: the one who had never learnt from any human teacher how to read or write, to present this incontestable and universally recognised truth - the Qur’an - which never before was revealed even to the great apostles in the past, could not have possibly been without its source being from above. Unfortunately, there were some who accused the Prophet that he learnt the contents of Qur’an from the others. But this is refuted by the Qur’an eloquently:

“Say (O Muhammad)! The Holy Spirit (Jibriil) has brought it (Qur’an) down from your Lord with the truth, that it may establish those who believe, and as a guidance and glad tidings unto those who submit (themselves to God). And indeed We know what they say: ‘It is only a man that teaches him’. The tongue of him whom they falsely hint at, is outlandish (foreign language, not eloquent, slang), while this language is Arabic (pure and) plain”. (16:102-103).

However, it is remarkable that such a man who had never studied from any mortal being, was given the most eloquent book: The Glorious Qur’an, and became the standard-bearer of a movement calling for science and free thought. It is said that the mystic object in keeping the Prophet unaware of the art of reading and writing was to help the people to recognise the Qur’an as a Word of God





“Before this, you did not read any book, nor did you write anything with your hands”. (29:48).


However, it is remarkable that such a man who had never studied from any mortal being, was given the most eloquent book: The Glorious Qur’an, and became the standard-bearer of a movement calling for science and free thought. It is said that the mystic object in keeping the Prophet unaware of the art of reading and writing was to help the people to recognise the Qur’an as a Word of God[/SIZE]



It is said that the mystic object in keeping the Prophet unaware of the art of reading and writing was to help the people to recognise the Qur’an as a Word of God

Sure seems like other Islamic authorities disagree with you on that.--Tyr

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

If you meant that as a joke, it's a pretty sick one to attempt. More .. AGAIN, this surely insults those who died on that day.

But then, ARE you joking ? I really think you're not, Jafar. You've claimed before now, repeatedly, that Anjem Choudary 'is a MI5 stooge'.

So what did that make bin Laden, then, in your estimation ... a CIA stooge ??



I see we're back to that - wholly unbelievable - theme of yours. 'Yes', all the world's terrorists are 'unIslamic', and it 'just so happens' that ALL terrorist groups, EVERYWHERE, are 'mistaken' when they identify themselves as Islamic .. ???!!??

What a 'coincidence' that so many terrorists, separated by thousands of miles, just 'coincidentally' misunderstand Islam in just the same way .. eh ??

Jafar -you go to ridiculous, ACTUALLY OBSCENE, lengths to sanitise your religion. There's a thread on this forum, 48 pages long the last time I checked, which testifies in spades as to HOW obscene the TRUTH is. Page after page of post after post, almost every one detailing DOZENS of deaths and mutilations, ALL DONE IN THE NAME OF ISLAM.

I've made this challenge to you before, and I'm making it again now. If a 'religion of peace' can be so misunderstood, so misinterpreted, then it must stand to reason that other such examples are readily seen from other religions. WHY SHOULD IT ONLY BE ISLAM THAT'S SO MISINTERPRETED ?? -- SO -- I challenge you, AGAIN, to start a thread that details dozens of 'Christian' terrorist murders committed every day.

Come on, Jafar ... what's stopping you ??

OR, COULD IT BE THAT ISLAM'S ADHERENTS ARE PART OF SOMETHING BARBARIC, MURDEROUS, THAT IS IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS A THROWBACK TO MORE SAVAGE TIMES ... AND THAT THE 'RELIGION' ITSELF ONLY DESERVES ITS EXTINCTION ??

By the way, Jafar, how's that support you have for Hamas working out for you ? Why so silent about it ?

Some say pray for them don't fight them!! I'd like to remind such people this!!! -Tyr


Praying didn’t save the victims at Constantinople 1453, nor in any of the other murdering conquests the Muslims engaged in! Only brute force stopped the Religion of Peaceniks from conquering both Northern and Central Europe. That same fighting force then drove them back. If de la Valette, Sobieski and Stahremberg relied on prayer only then Vienna and Malta would have met the same fate as Constantinople.


Did Charles Martel, (the Hammer) choose not to fight????-Tyr




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours

The Battle of Tours (October 732),[27] also called the Battle of Poitiers and in Arabic: معركة بلاط الشهداء‎ (ma‘arakat Balâṭ ash-Shuhadâ - Battle of the Palace of Martyrs)[28][29][30] was fought in an area between the cities of Poitiers and Tours, in north-central France, near the village of Moussais-la-Bataille, about 20 kilometres (12 mi) northeast of Poitiers. The location of the battle was close to the border between the Frankish realm and then-independent Aquitaine. The battle pitted Frankish and Burgundian[31][32] forces under Austrasian Mayor of the Palace Charles Martel, against an army of the Umayyad Caliphate led by ‘Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi, Governor-General of al-Andalus.

The Franks were victorious. ‘Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi was killed, and Charles subsequently extended his authority in the south. Ninth-century chroniclers, who interpreted the outcome of the battle as divine judgment in his favour, gave Charles the nickname Martellus ("The Hammer"), possibly recalling Judas Maccabeus ("The Hammerer") of the Maccabean revolt.[33][34] Details of the battle, including its exact location and the exact number of combatants, cannot be determined from accounts that have survived. Notably, the Frankish troops won the battle without cavalry.[35]

Later Christian chroniclers and pre-20th century historians praised Charles Martel as the champion of Christianity, characterizing the battle as the decisive turning point in the struggle against Islam, a struggle which preserved Christianity as the religion of Europe; according to modern military historian Victor Davis Hanson, "most of the 18th and 19th century historians, like Gibbon, saw Poitiers (Tours), as a landmark battle that marked the high tide of the Muslim advance into Europe."[36] Leopold von Ranke felt that "Poitiers was the turning point of one of the most important epochs in the history of the world."[37]

[jafar00]

Jafar ... heyy, how's that 'Christian terrorist' thread coming along ?

.. I mean., we will see it .. ?

.. surely .. ???

Granted, the Islamic one has had ample material fed into it to manage 48 pages and counting. But surely you - IF you're correct - can give it a run for its money ?

... NO .. ???

Why would I waste time doing that? I'd have to google a bunch of stories, find the religion of the criminal and twist the stories accordingly.
Enjoy your copy/paste thread. I'm not stooping to that level.


Sure seems like other Islamic authorities disagree with you on that.--Tyr

No. The dictionary agrees with me though. Just as an actor memorises his lines and "reads" them aloud, so too did Mohamed (saw). He memorised the revelation and recited them to others so that they may learn too.




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1 [reed] Show IPA
verb (used with object), read [red] Show IPA , read·ing [ree-ding] Show IPA .1.to look at carefully so as to understand the meaning of (something written, printed, etc.): to read abook; to read music.

2.to utter aloud or render in speech (something written, printed, etc.): reading a story to his children; The actor read his lines in a booming voice.

3.to have such knowledge of (a language) as to be able to understand things written in it: to be able toread French.

4.to apprehend the meaning of (signs, characters, etc.) otherwise than with the eyes, as by means ofthe fingers: to read Braille.

5.to apprehend or interpret the meaning of (gestures, movements, signals, or the like): to read asemaphore; to read sign language (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/language).