Australia, muslim advocates for Sharia law. Blind eye turned.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/01/08/perth-man-delivers-radical-islamic-lectures 8 Jan 2014 - 5:56pm

Perth man delivers 'radical' Islamic lectures But the group's Facebook page speaks of hatred towards non-believers known as Kuffar (kah-fuh).

One section reads:

"We hate their constitutions, we reject their way of life, we reject their political systems, we reject their parliaments, we reject their Democracy, Capitalism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism and every other filthy disbelieving 'ism' that has come to act as a hindrance from Islam, the pure religion of Allah to rule from the East to the West."

Junaid Thorne.

"As Muslims, we do reject democracy, we reject other, we look to Sharia, Sharia law, as our main way of governmental system. Not that we are like trying to impose it here or anything. It's just that what we as Muslims want. Me personally, I want, I would love for Sharia law to be implemented here, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to impose it on anyone. But if there was an Islamic state where Sharia law was being implemented I would happily move there. Because as a Muslim, all Muslims, we see that Sharia law is our salvation, or our solution to the problems that we see nowadays."

Junaid Thorne says his lectures are simply about history and the pillars of Islam and believes there is a double standard when reporting on so-called radical ideas in Australia.

"If you had a laptop now and you opened the internet and we checked the ADL page, for example, the Australian Defence League, and you see the comments that are written there. It's clearly illegal comments. For example, you get: let's go kill these Muslims, let's go blow up their mosques, let's burn their houses down, let's rape their women. That's exactly state there for word and we haven't seen any media attention on them, we haven't seen any of them chased down or accused any of them. So I am concerned as to why focus is being on us Muslims and what we say rather than being just or being fair and implementing law on everyone."

Junaid Thorne says he'll continue to lecture on Islam wherever he's asked to go. Does anybody think the mosques here in America teach differently? They call that there radical Islam when the truth is its just fundamental Islam= true Islam. Jafar knows that is the truth. I BET HE WILL NOT DARE ADMIT HERE. HERE IN THE USA they are taught to be more careful and not to reveal too much truth about Islam to we dumbass infidels! Inside mosques with doors closed and secure that only muslims are present they teach/preach the real message. That is when the time is right all infidels must be converted or killed. Think those punks in Boston did all that for fun? They did it to prove their faith and gain their promised reward. --Tyr

[jafar00]

I fail to see the problem here.

[Drummond]

I fail to see the problem here.

How unfortunate.

But -- never mind. If I may switch the focus to my homeland (and my ex-home city, London) for the purposes of this post, perhaps, Jafar, you will see no problem with this, either .. ??

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/448684/Anjem-Choudary-Brick-Lane-protest-warns-Muslim-shop-owners-over-alcohol-sale


Business owners in Brick Lane in Whitechapel, on the edge of the city, were told on Friday they face 40 lashes if they continue to sell their "evil" products.

Brick Lane is one of London's trendiest areas and a popular location for Christmas parties.

Anjem Choudary, who used to lead the Al-Muhajiroun group which has been banned under terrorism laws, told the crowd: "The shops are run by Muslims and they know they are selling alcohol and they know the sale and consumption of alcohol is completely prohibited.

"We cannot live among the non-Muslims and see this evil take place."

Around 60 men and women in burkhas distributed warning letters to Muslim-owned businesses.

They also held up banners with slogans including: "Save lives, don't drink or sell alcohol! Stand for Shariah!"

Another simply read: "Islam is the perfect system for all mankind."

The protest, which was timed to coincide with the Christmas party rush this weekend, was delayed as a small group of English Defence League members organised a counter-protest.

Choudary told those assembled that Brick Lane was a "den of iniquity" and that he wanted Britain to live under Sharia law.

See this, Jafar ? A reality of the Sharia Law you see no problem with ... sell alcohol, be threatened with 40 lashes because you do ...

The individual Tyr quotes from wants the very same system to be introduced. He may 'claim' not to want to forcibly apply it -- but we learn from the likes of Choudary what the truth is. He wants it applied as a system which overthrows democracy .. and replaces it with intolerant barbarism.

[jafar00]

And I thought we were talking about a guy in Australia who's views appear to be far from those Muhajiroon idiots?

[revelarts]

I fail to see the problem here.


..."As Muslims, we do reject democracy, we reject other, we look to Sharia, Sharia law, as our main way of governmental system. Not that we are like trying to impose it here or anything. It's just that what we as Muslims want. Me personally, I want, I would love for Sharia law to be implemented here, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to impose it on anyone. But if there was an Islamic state where Sharia law was being implemented I would happily move there. Because as a Muslim, all Muslims, we see that Sharia law is our salvation, or our solution to the problems that we see nowadays."...

OK, if he REJECTS democracy he should not vote. and encourage his fellow Muslims not to vote as well. that'd be a good thing i think. especially since he doesn't want to impose any sharia on anyone.



But Aren't there any countries where Sharia laws is being implemented?
Why the heck is in the hated decadent "...Capitalism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism and every other filthy disbelieving 'ism'..." of the west? He should move to any of the dozen countries where at least large parts of Sharia ARE being implemented.
They'd welcome him and he'd be happy right?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

OK, if he REJECTS democracy he should not vote. and encourage his fellow Muslims not to vote as well. that'd be a good thing i think. especially since he doesn't want to impose any sharia on anyone.



But Aren't there any countries where Sharia laws is being implemented?
Why the heck is in the hated decadent "...Capitalism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism and every other filthy disbelieving 'ism'..." of the west? He should move to any of the dozen countries where at least large parts of Sharia ARE being implemented.
They'd welcome him and he'd be happy right? The goal is not to just live in nations already converted or being converted but to spread out and conquer other Western nations. Its their style of warfare by lying ,deceit and baby making mixed in with the use of terror. American muslims calling for blasphemy laws and lobbying politicians for same point to that. Certain politicians already jumping on that bandwagon point to a coming civil war IMHO. YOU CAN NOT APPEASE THESE SCUM INTO SUBMISSION RATHER JUST THE OPPOSITE OCCURS. Death by a thousand cuts started with these scum and its very effective. They have perfected the ruse of "playing the victim" light years farther than any other group on this planet. They are not the victims (a truth so many miss) they are the murderers and aggressors! They succeed in nations because they are correct-- their opposition lacks the fortitude and courage to take the hard steps to stop them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!--Tyr

[jafar00]

OK, if he REJECTS democracy he should not vote. and encourage his fellow Muslims not to vote as well. that'd be a good thing i think. especially since he doesn't want to impose any sharia on anyone.



But Aren't there any countries where Sharia laws is being implemented?
Why the heck is in the hated decadent "...Capitalism, Liberalism, Socialism, Communism and every other filthy disbelieving 'ism'..." of the west? He should move to any of the dozen countries where at least large parts of Sharia ARE being implemented.
They'd welcome him and he'd be happy right?

Lol. It is illegal not to vote in Australia. You get fined ;)

And yes, there are no countries where Shariah is implemented although there are some where some Shariah components are mixed in like Malaysia where I quite easily lived according to Shariah.

[revelarts]

Lol. It is illegal not to vote in Australia. You get fined ;)
well Oookk that's funny, but really. Since he in all seriousness rejects Democracy for religious reasons as such a horror and an offense to Allah. He should not be involved or vote. If it's wrong then he should PAY THE FINE.
as an alternative
Is there away that he could write in the word "sharia" for every vote. to guarantee that it'd go in the trash.
I can only assume that he was sincere in his rant against everything but Sharia, including REJECTING democracy in Australia and elsewhere.
If he votes he's a hypocrite.



And yes, there are no countries where Shariah is implemented although there are some where some Shariah components are mixed in like Malaysia where I quite easily lived according to Shariah.

Since Malaysia is closer to Shariah he should move there then. "But if there was an Islamic state where Sharia law was being implemented I would happily move there. Because as a Muslim, all Muslims, we see that Sharia law is our salvation, or our solution to the problems that we see nowadays."
Again if he doesn't move, then he's just running off at the mouth stirring people up over stuff he doesn't really believe himself.


But frankly it seems to me that since (according to you) Shariah is not practiced in any country on earth. And that it probably hasn't been practiced on Earth at anytime ( the way you and this fellow describe it) then maybe Allah must not REALLY want it practiced. There are 100s of millions of professing muslims in the world but not one country wants this perfect system from Allah? But it's suppose to cover the earth at some point? According to you NOT by violence. Mohammed died how long ago... in 632 A.D..
I'd have to say Jafar, it seems to me this is a small proof that Islam (as you define it) is not true.
Not one country?

[jafar00]

well Oookk that's funny, but really. Since he in all seriousness rejects Democracy for religious reasons as such a horror and an offense to Allah. He should not be involved or vote. If it's wrong then he should PAY THE FINE.
as an alternative
Is there away that he could write in the word "sharia" for every vote. to guarantee that it'd go in the trash.
I can only assume that he was sincere in his rant against everything but Sharia, including REJECTING democracy in Australia and elsewhere.
If he votes he's a hypocrite.



Since Malaysia is closer to Shariah he should move there then. "But if there was an Islamic state where Sharia law was being implemented I would happily move there. Because as a Muslim, all Muslims, we see that Sharia law is our salvation, or our solution to the problems that we see nowadays."
Again if he doesn't move, then he's just running off at the mouth stirring people up over stuff he doesn't really believe himself.


But frankly it seems to me that since (according to you) Shariah is not practiced in any country on earth. And that it probably hasn't been practiced on Earth at anytime ( the way you and this fellow describe it) then maybe Allah must not REALLY want it practiced. There are 100s of millions of professing muslims in the world but not one country wants this perfect system from Allah? But it's suppose to cover the earth at some point? According to you NOT by violence. Mohammed died how long ago... in 632 A.D..
I'd have to say Jafar, it seems to me this is a small proof that Islam (as you define it) is not true.
Not one country?

Correct. Not one country practises pure Shariah. Malaysia is close and for me is a preferred place to live. Perhaps he should move there! :)