Former Guantanamo detainee implicated in Benghazi attack

[Jeff]

Sure let them all out :rolleyes: they won't be no problem at all.




U.S. officials suspect a former Guantanamo Bay detainee played a role in the attack on the American compound in Benghazi, Libya, and are planning to designate the group he leads as a foreign terrorism organization, according to officials with the plans.
Militiamen under the command of Abu Sufian bin Qumu, the leader of Ansar al-Sharia in the Libyan city of Darnah, participated in the attack that killed U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans, U.S. officials said.


http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=4301673%3ATopic%3A2290796&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_topic

[fj1200]

For what crime should he have been indefinitely detained?


drummond bait

[Jeff]

For what crime should he have been indefinitely detained?


drummond bait



I never said to indefinitely detain anyone but I suppose that would be all dependent on what they picked him up for , but it did work out well didn't it :rolleyes:

[fj1200]

I never said to indefinitely detain anyone but I suppose that would be all dependent on what they picked him up for , but it did work out well didn't it :rolleyes:

Well the only way to ensure that any detainee doesn't ever do anything bad is to indefinitely detain them. But you're right, it depends and that is the million dollar question that can hopefully be debated. Criminals do bad things all the time and are released and it's not uncommon for them to commit another crime.

[jimnyc]

If he was captured while involved in terrorist activities, and then committed another terror act or was involved - then they need to go in next time and take him out rather than put him in a place where he may get out again and do similar. I always said, just like cockroaches. Only one way to solve problems with guys like that, IMO.

[Jeff]

Well the only way to ensure that any detainee doesn't ever do anything bad is to indefinitely detain them. But you're right, it depends and that is the million dollar question that can hopefully be debated. Criminals do bad things all the time and are released and it's not uncommon for them to commit another crime.



Agreed fj


But honestly if the detainee is there for any kind of a security risk to our country then no there is no room in the world for those people, If a person can kill innocent people they have never even met over there hatred for the way they live then there is no hope of them ever being rehabilitated anyway .

[fj1200]

Agreed fj


But honestly if the detainee is there for any kind of a security risk to our country then no there is no room in the world for those people, If a person can kill innocent people they have never even met over there hatred for the way they live then there is no hope of them ever being rehabilitated anyway .

I think "any security risk" might be overly broad but not "killing innocents." Nevertheless it doesn't appear that this guy did anything heinous and was released to Libya where he was subsequently put in jail; Libya released him.

http://projects.nytimes.com/guantanamo/detainees/557-abu-sufian-ibrahim-ahmed-hamuda-bin-qumu/documents/3/pages/645


Repatriation and release (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sufian_bin_Qumu#Repatriation_and_release)Qumu was reported to have been released in October 2007.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sufian_bin_Qumu#cite_note-Spectator20071001-6) He was transferred to Libya on 28 September 2007 [7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sufian_bin_Qumu#cite_note-7) and was released from Abu Salim prison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Salim_prison) in 2010 following an amnesty for political prisoners.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sufian_bin_Qumu#cite_note-8)

BTW, there appears to be some doubt about his involvement.


Fox News reported Qumu as possibly being involved with and may have led the September 11, 2012 attack on the US Consulate in Benghazi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Consulate_attack_in_Benghazi), Libya that resulted in the murder of four US Diplomats including US Ambassador Chris Stevens.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sufian_bin_Qumu#cite_note-FoxNews.com-10) However, in September of 2012, a US national security official reported to Mother Jones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Jones_(magazine)) that "that report is wrong, there's no intelligence suggesting that he was leading the attack on the consulate that evening."[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sufian_bin_Qumu#cite_note-MotherJones-11) The NYT report purported this version. There are other reports that indicate members of bin Qumu's Derna group may in fact have been present in Benghazi at the time of the attacks.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sufian_bin_Qumu#cite_note-12)

[jimnyc]

Of course my comments above are based on the guilt of the accused being solid, as in it's a KNOWN terrorist, not just a guess. I'm not calling for the death of innocents or peaceful people - but if someone was involved somehow in a terror attack previously, and then somehow got miraculously released, and then is involved in another terror attack - they don't deserve to breathe our air.

Other portions of the Wiki FJ posted makes me believe that this guy probably is up to no good:


A disclosed file from 2005 on WikiLeaks alleged that he served as a tank driver in the Libyan army. He later allegedly traveled to Afghanistan and trained in Bin Laden's Torkham Camp. After fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, he allegedly worked as a truck driver for Wadi Al-'Aqiq, one of Bin Laden's companies in Suba, Sudan. He later joined the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, joined the Taliban in 1998, and he was a “probable member of Al Qaida and a member of the African Extremist Network.”

Trained with Bin Laden? Probable member of Al Qaeda? Extremist network?


In 2011 Qumu became the leader of a band of fighters in his hometown of Derna called Ansar al-Sharia during the 2011 Libyan civil war.

Not proof of anything, but after his release he once again gets involved in fights, and an illegal one from the countries standpoint. This group he joined disbanded after the attack in Benghazi.

[fj1200]

Of course my comments above are based on the guilt of the accused being solid, as in it's a KNOWN terrorist, not just a guess. ...

Other portions of the Wiki FJ posted makes me believe that this guy probably is up to no good:

I think if the evidence were solid against him of terrorist activity then he probably wouldn't have gone anywhere. And I think we should have a higher standard than "probably." Also, we didn't release him to the wild, we released him to his home country where he was incarcerated. Based on what I've seen I don't think he was released from Gitmo improperly. Most of the detainees are not nice people even if they are "innocent" so it shouldn't be a surprise when they get involved in other conflicts.

[jimnyc]

I think if the evidence were solid against him of terrorist activity then he probably wouldn't have gone anywhere. And I think we should have a higher standard than "probably." Also, we didn't release him to the wild, we released him to his home country where he was incarcerated. Based on what I've seen I don't think he was released from Gitmo improperly. Most of the detainees are not nice people even if they are "innocent" so it shouldn't be a surprise when they get involved in other conflicts.

Yeah, I hear ya. At least I'd like to believe, that those that literally had their hands in terror attacks that killed innocents, that those fucks are still in Cuba. But I have a 2 strike rule. A get out of jail free card only gets issued once. Next time he dies! :gunner3: http://i.imgur.com/UJkP3EU.gif

[fj1200]

Yeah, I hear ya. At least I'd like to believe, that those that literally had their hands in terror attacks that killed innocents, that those fucks are still in Cuba. But I have a 2 strike rule. A get out of jail free card only gets issued once. Next time he dies! :gunner3: http://i.imgur.com/UJkP3EU.gif

We can certainly hope but I don't know if us rube citizens are privy to such info. I did find this earlier:

The number of former Guantanamo recidivists was estimated by the DIA in 2008 to be "about 7 percent of those transferred from U.S. custody."
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/9/18/ex-guantanamo-prisonerkilledinsyria.html

If those numbers are true then we would love to have those recidivism rates for the US prison population.