Which amendments do you really fight for...

[revelarts]

First Amendment - Freedom of speech, press, religion, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government


Second Amendment - Right for the people to keep and bear arms, as well as to maintain a militia


Third Amendment - Protection from quartering of troops


Fourth Amendment - Protection from unreasonable search and seizure


Fifth Amendment - Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property


Sixth Amendment - Trial by jury and other rights of the accused


Seventh Amendment - Civil trial by jury


Eighth Amendment - Prohibition of excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment


Ninth Amendment - Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights


Tenth Amendment - Powers of states and people

that's the outline of the amendments, people on all sides seem to fight for their favs.
IMO it seems to me that those on the right are mainly concerned about the 2nd amendment but are willing to fudge the others "for our safety".

"what part of 'shall not be infringed' don't you understand?!" is a clear call to the clear meaning of the 2nd amendment.
But peaceable assembly? doesn't seem as clear to some. the cops can beat you down and arrest you if you're not 'doing what they say' or don't have permits or are 'blocking' the sidewalk, or cars , or 'disturbing' the peace.

I'm going to highlight the bits i think the right, the left and libertarians are strongest and weakest on.
Purple = strong defense and promo of
Green = moderate or situational support of
Orange = Often no support at all

The LEFT
First Amendment - Freedom of speech, press, religion, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government


Second Amendment - Right for the people to keep and bear arms, as well as to maintain a militia


Third Amendment - Protection from quartering of troops


Fourth Amendment - Protection from unreasonable search and seizure


Fifth Amendment - Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property


Sixth Amendment - Trial by jury and other rights of the accused


Seventh Amendment - Civil trial by jury


Eighth Amendment - Prohibition of excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment


Ninth Amendment - Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights


Tenth Amendment - Powers of states and people


the RIGHT
First Amendment - Freedom of speech, press, religion, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government


Second Amendment - Right for the people to keep and bear arms, as well as to maintain a militia


Third Amendment - Protection from quartering of troops


Fourth Amendment - Protection from unreasonable search and seizure


Fifth Amendment - Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property


Sixth Amendment - Trial by jury and other rights of the accused


Seventh Amendment - Civil trial by jury


Eighth Amendment - Prohibition of excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment


Ninth Amendment - Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights


Tenth Amendment - Powers of states and people


The LIBERTARIANS (individual libertarians can be all over the map but in general)
First Amendment - Freedom of speech, press, religion, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government


Second Amendment - Right for the people to keep and bear arms, as well as to maintain a militia


Third Amendment - Protection from quartering of troops


Fourth Amendment - Protection from unreasonable search and seizure


Fifth Amendment - Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property


Sixth Amendment - Trial by jury and other rights of the accused


Seventh Amendment - Civil trial by jury


Eighth Amendment - Prohibition of excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment


Ninth Amendment - Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights


Tenth Amendment - Powers of states and people


that's my assessment, your millage may vary.
Personally I'd like to try ALL the amendments on FULL for a decade or 2.... just as an experiment.
to see what that looks like. Some folks are afraid of that though, that's TO MUCH freedom i guess.

I would ask you folks to rank your level of agreement with the amendments.
Taken as written, with a plain strait forward understanding. Giving the benefit of the doubt to the rights of the individuals (citizen or not) rather than to the gov't. Which is the spirit they were written in.

If you were brutally honest, where would you come down?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

First Amendment - Freedom of speech, press, religion, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government


Second Amendment - Right for the people to keep and bear arms, as well as to maintain a militia


Third Amendment - Protection from quartering of troops


Fourth Amendment - Protection from unreasonable search and seizure


Fifth Amendment - Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property


Sixth Amendment - Trial by jury and other rights of the accused


Seventh Amendment - Civil trial by jury


Eighth Amendment - Prohibition of excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment


Ninth Amendment - Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights


Tenth Amendment - Powers of states and people

that's the outline of the amendments, people on all sides seem to fight for their favs.
IMO it seems to me that those on the right are mainly concerned about the 2nd amendment but are willing to fudge the others "for our safety".

"what part of 'shall not be infringed' don't you understand?!" is a clear call to the clear meaning of the 2nd amendment.
But peaceable assembly? doesn't seem as clear to some. the cops can beat you down and arrest you if you're not 'doing what they say' or don't have permits or are 'blocking' the sidewalk, or cars , or 'disturbing' the peace.

I'm going to highlight the bits i think the right, the left and libertarians are strongest and weakest on.
Purple = strong defense and promo of
Green = moderate or situational support of
Orange = Often no support at all

The LEFT
First Amendment - Freedom of speech, press, religion, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government


Second Amendment - Right for the people to keep and bear arms, as well as to maintain a militia


Third Amendment - Protection from quartering of troops


Fourth Amendment - Protection from unreasonable search and seizure


Fifth Amendment - Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property


Sixth Amendment - Trial by jury and other rights of the accused


Seventh Amendment - Civil trial by jury


Eighth Amendment - Prohibition of excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment


Ninth Amendment - Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights


Tenth Amendment - Powers of states and people


the RIGHT
First Amendment - Freedom of speech, press, religion, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government


Second Amendment - Right for the people to keep and bear arms, as well as to maintain a militia


Third Amendment - Protection from quartering of troops


Fourth Amendment - Protection from unreasonable search and seizure


Fifth Amendment - Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property


Sixth Amendment - Trial by jury and other rights of the accused


Seventh Amendment - Civil trial by jury


Eighth Amendment - Prohibition of excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment


Ninth Amendment - Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights


Tenth Amendment - Powers of states and people


The LIBERTARIANS (individual libertarians can be all over the map but in general)
First Amendment - Freedom of speech, press, religion, peaceable assembly, and to petition the government


Second Amendment - Right for the people to keep and bear arms, as well as to maintain a militia


Third Amendment - Protection from quartering of troops


Fourth Amendment - Protection from unreasonable search and seizure


Fifth Amendment - Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property


Sixth Amendment - Trial by jury and other rights of the accused


Seventh Amendment - Civil trial by jury


Eighth Amendment - Prohibition of excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment


Ninth Amendment - Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights


Tenth Amendment - Powers of states and people


that's my assessment, your millage may vary.
Personally I'd like to try ALL the amendments on FULL for a decade or 2.... just as an experiment.
to see what that looks like. Some folks are afraid of that though, that's TO MUCH freedom i guess.

I would ask you folks to rank your level of agreement with the amendments.
Taken as written, with a plain strait forward understanding. Giving the benefit of the doubt to the rights of the individuals (citizen or not) rather than to the gov't. Which is the spirit they were written in.

If you were brutally honest, where would you come down? Every damn one of those ten!!!! They are there so no need to choose. I favor slightly the 2nd because without it we have absolutely no way too defend the others. All that oppose keeping those ten I place firmly on the enemy of this nation list.. Which puts the azzmonkey in charge now clearly on top of that list IMHO. Tyr

[hjmick]

While I view all as being equally important, I believe that, without the First and the Second, the others mean nothing and cannot be defended from loss...

[logroller]

I'd say the first is foremost worth fighting for-- if those rights are forgone the other rights, enumerated or not, aren't worth fighting over.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I'd say the first is foremost worth fighting for-- if those rights are forgone the other rights, enumerated or not, aren't worth fighting over. There is a reason they are listed as first and second! As both are the foundation upon which the others rest. :beer:--Tyr

[Little-Acorn]

Which amendments do you really fight for...


You seem to be assuming that some are less important than others.....?

Why do you assume that?

[Little-Acorn]

If an angel came down and told me that I had to get rid of one of them, I'd probably choose the 17th.

If he said I had to get rid of two of them, probably the 16th and 17th. Those two did more to enable the Big Government that started exploding shortly after they were enacted.

And that's only because we've already gotten rid of the 18th, which gave a clear demonstration of the disaster that can result from government tryng to control the population instead of the other way around.

[revelarts]

Which amendments do you really fight for...
You seem to be assuming that some are less important than others.....?
Why do you assume that?
I think they're all important.
I've just noticed that others seem to defend some more vigorously than others. and at times make excuses for why some can or should be ignored or applied selectively.

For instants, some on the left that defend free speech for porn and witches, but have problem with the very mention of God in certain venues.
Some on the left will wail if the state illegal removal of computers from a home to search, but the same state could take a home or business from someone because of esoteric environmental designs and it's the thing the state should do.

while some on the right will scream if big gov't creates new gun laws that say they have to give up certain firearms, but if the same gov't searches homes without warrants and waterboards and jails suspects without trial, it's OK.

I was hoping to get some clarity from people here.
I agree with the Madison quote in my sig below

[Little-Acorn]

I think they're all important.
I've just noticed that others seem to defend some more vigorously than others.

That's because they are finding some being attacked more than others.

It has nothing to do with which ones are "more important".

ON EDIT: Except in the eyes of the attackers. They seem to find certain amendments more obstructive to their agenda, than others.

[revelarts]

That's because they are finding some being attacked more than others.
It has nothing to do with which ones are "more important".
ON EDIT: Except in the eyes of the attackers. They seem to find certain amendments more obstructive to their agenda, than others.

Well often it's partisan. When a D prez is breaking an amendment, the right is often Outraged.
When an R prez is braking an amendment, the left often goes into a frenzy.

the during the W Bush years the -
Forth Amendment - Protection from unreasonable search and seizure
Fifth Amendment - Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, private property
Sixth Amendment - Trial by jury and other rights of the accused
Seventh Amendment - Civil trial by jury
-were brushed aside by various edicts, and the right, for the most part , didn't have problem with it. While the left cried bloody murder.
Now that Obama is doing the same and bit worse to the same amendments, the left is , for the most part, OK with that. And many on the right are OUTRAGED at the horrible constitutional abuses under Obama and he should be impeached for it.

So maybe i should start a thread with the question,
what's more important, party loyalty or the the bill of rights.

[aboutime]

rev. You now sound more like a typical, left-leaning, uninformed liberal who picks, and chooses WHICH portions of the Constitution you Choose to obey, or follow, and which portions of the Constitution you want to obey and follow.
It has come down to a matter of WHO IS DOING THE INTERPRETATION of the amendments. Like Obama, and Holder. Both of whom...WITH YOU, seem to intentionally IGNORE those portions of the constitution you DISLIKE.

[revelarts]

rev. You now sound more like a typical, left-leaning, uninformed liberal who picks, and chooses WHICH portions of the Constitution you Choose to obey, or follow, and which portions of the Constitution you want to obey and follow.
It has come down to a matter of WHO IS DOING THE INTERPRETATION of the amendments. Like Obama, and Holder. Both of whom...WITH YOU, seem to intentionally IGNORE those portions of the constitution you DISLIKE.

Is there a another poster called "rev" on the board cause .. your not making sense here.
what am i supposedly ignoring?

[revelarts]

June 2013
In a 5-4 decision the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that crime suspects need to speak up if they want to invoke their legal right to remain silent. The ruling highlights the limited reach of the famous Miranda decision. "Popular misconceptions notwithstanding," the Constitution "does not establish an unqualified 'right to remain silent,'" said Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. . Rather, he said, the 5th Amendment says no one may be "compelled in any criminal case to be witness against himself."
....And although Salinas had a qualified right to remain silent under the 5th Amendment, a suspect must invoke his rights and say he wants to remain silent, the court ruled Monday. Salinas "alone knew why he did not answer the officer's question, and it was therefore his burden to make a timely assertion of the privilege," Alito said.
http://www.governing.com/news/federal/mct-supreme-court-outlines-limits-on-right-to-remain-silent.html


is this what the amendment means in plain language you guys?
Is it a bill of privileges?
This is a "conservative" judge making the above statement. A "Law and Order" man.

[revelarts]

Couple vids that show other people's bias against the bill of rights being applied seriously.

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[revelarts]

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r124/Loralei_01/Meme242_zpsfba6f7d1.jpg

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r124/Loralei_01/Meme242_zpsfba6f7d1.jpg The primary reason the founding fathers gave us the 2nd Amendment was so we could question the government and right it should it go tyrannical. And that's a pretty strong statement about not blindly yielding to a powerful government that has decided its way rather than the citizens way--which is exactly what we have now with Obama in spades. -Tyr

[revelarts]

"The Constitution. Every issue, every time. No exceptions, no excuses."
the motto and mission of the tenth amendment center

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/

[aboutime]

Didn't know what other thread to put this in. But technically...it kind of applies to the Constitution.

My wife saved it from the internet......5794