19 Year Old Christian Girl With Knife at Her Throat Forced to Convert to Islam

[Jeff]

What a nice way to enter the Religion of peace :rolleyes:





Imagine being a 19 year old Christian girl who was picking corn in the fields near your home when suddenly you are captured by two gunman (http://www.zimbio.com/Nigeria+Today/articles/YuFM08wIjqN/Photo+Escaped+Christian+Lady+Narrates+How) that belong to a group of radical Islamic terrorists. They tell you that you are going to be their domestic slave doing cleaning and preparing meals for the terrorists. If you cry, they beat you. If you speak, they beat you. While captive, you are used as bait to lure other Christians to their traps where they are savagely attacked and have their throats slit. Your captors continually demand that you convert to Islam, but you refuse until one day, they place a knife at your throat and tell you convert or die (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/19/convert-or-die-nigerian-terrorist-group-boko-haram-tells-christian-women/). After watching these men slit the throats of other Christians, you know they will carry out their threat and you are terrified beyond belief.



http://lastresistance.com/3850/19-year-old-christian-girl-knife-throat-forced-convert-islam/

[red states rule]

They were not real Muslims and this is simply made up crap by people who hate Muslims

OK Jafar I saved you the trouble of making excuses for these bastards - go ahead and simply ignore more facts about the religion of peace

[Jeff]

They were not real Muslims and this is simply made up crap by people who hate Muslims

OK Jafar I saved you the trouble of making excuses for these bastards - go ahead and simply ignore more facts about the religion of peace

:lol:

Yes I knew that would be his response :laugh: but I googled it real quick and guess what, a entire page of the same story comes up :laugh: So that blows that theory !!

[Gaffer]

Was thinking the very same thing Red, you beat me to it.

[red states rule]

This is perfectly acceptable with Muslims and defenders of Islam

But handing out the Holy Bible on a street corner will get you beheaded in the ME or the left will scream "separation of church and street" here in America

[jafar00]

Boko Haram are not following Islam. Show me where forced conversion (if this story is even true) is acceptable in Islam.

[Gaffer]

Boko Haram are not following Islam. Show me where forced conversion (if this story is even true) is acceptable in Islam.

Show me where it's not.

[jafar00]

Show me where it's not.

There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. (2:256)

Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers. (60:8)

So render good counsel, for you are simply required to counsel, and are not invested with the authority to compel them. (88:21-22)

Obey Allah and obey the messenger, and beware! But if ye turn away, then know that the duty of Our messenger is only plain conveyance (of the message). (5:92)

Anyone who tries forced conversion is directly disobeying the Qur'aan and therefore not acting as a Muslim.

[red states rule]

There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. (2:256)

Allah forbiddeth you not those who warred not against you on account of religion and drove you not out from your homes, that ye should show them kindness and deal justly with them. Lo! Allah loveth the just dealers. (60:8)

So render good counsel, for you are simply required to counsel, and are not invested with the authority to compel them. (88:21-22)

Obey Allah and obey the messenger, and beware! But if ye turn away, then know that the duty of Our messenger is only plain conveyance (of the message). (5:92)

Anyone who tries forced conversion is directly disobeying the Qur'aan and therefore not acting as a Muslim.

You left out a few verses Jafar

pushing:

Quran (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.055) (8:55) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.055) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

Quran (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/048-qmt.php#048.029) (48:29) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/048-qmt.php#048.029) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Quran (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.030) (9:30) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.030) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Quran (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.012) (8:12) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.012) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Quran (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.123) (9:123) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Quran (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/005-qmt.php#005.033) (5:33) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/005-qmt.php#005.033) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

[jafar00]

You left out a few verses Jafar

pushing:
Quran (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.055) (8:55) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.055) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve

Quran (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/048-qmt.php#048.029) (48:29) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/048-qmt.php#048.029) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Quran (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.030) (9:30) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.030) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah... Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Quran (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.012) (8:12) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/008-qmt.php#008.012) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Quran (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.123) (9:123) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Quran (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/005-qmt.php#005.033) (5:33) (http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/005-qmt.php#005.033) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement




Still nothing to prove the point of this trashy thread.

[Drummond]

Boko Haram are not following Islam. Show me where forced conversion (if this story is even true) is acceptable in Islam.

'Not real Muslims'. There y'go ....

And Jafar, any thread highlighting the plight of a young girl with a knife held to her throat may seem 'trashy' to you, but some of us have compassion, and CARE when savages get up to this !!

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

'Not real Muslims'. There y'go ....

And Jafar, any thread highlighting the plight of a young girl with a knife held to her throat may seem 'trashy' to you, but some of us have compassion, and CARE when savages get up to this !! Yes, we that have no Allah dust in our eyes blinding us do have compassion. None are so blind as are they who --refuse-- to see.. Tyr

[Arbo]

Show me where it's not.

That's not how it works. But I see that RSR put forth a bunch of stuff that doesn't prove it to be the case. It's entertaining to see that if jafar left, you all could just continue on having imaginary arguments with those not here.

[Arbo]

Still nothing to prove the point of this trashy thread.

Is there EVER any proof for much of the hate they spew?

[jafar00]

Is there EVER any proof for much of the hate they spew?

Unfortunately there are people that are filled with hate, and those that try to say Islam is at fault with no more evidence than the criminals said "Allahu Akbar" as they committed the crimes. Those are also filled with hate.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Unfortunately there are people that are filled with hate, and those that try to say Islam is at fault with no more evidence than the criminals said "Allahu Akbar" as they committed the crimes. Those are also filled with hate. Yes, I dearly hate evil and the murder of innocent women and children regardless of who engages in such brutal and dastardly deeds. Muslims engage in such deeds on a daily basis , if you so dislike what your brethren do why not stand up, speak out and condemn their cowardly and murderous deeds instead of excusing it by denial. If such are such wicked men lying about their faith why has Islam not defended itself against them? Islam kills all other offenders over far , far less. So no , your denials ring hollow Jafar. And all you declare non-Muslim liars pretending to be Muslim would very likely cut your head off for saying that if you stood within their evil reach. Far too many verses excusing their behavior. Islam riots and murders over a damn cartoon but supposedly turns a blind eye to such people perverting its faith! Poppycock , pure poppycock. Remember this Jafar, it is only in God's light that we can clearly discover our inner darkness. A darkness no man has ever refused save the One. THE GALLING YOKE OF THE LAW OF WORKS and its great load of condemnation are dropped when we take up the Word and submit to the Light. -Tyr

[Drummond]

Yes, I dearly hate evil and the murder of innocent women and children regardless of who engages in such brutal and dastardly deeds. Muslims engage in such deeds on a daily basis , if you so dislike what your brethren do why not stand up, speak out and condemn their cowardly and murderous deeds instead of excusing it by denial. If such are such wicked men lying about their faith why has Islam not defended itself against them? Islam kills all other offenders over far , far less. So no , your denials ring hollow Jafar. And all you declare non-Muslim liars pretending to be Muslim would very likely cut your head off for saying that if you stood within their evil reach. Far too many verses excusing their behavior. Islam riots and murders over a damn cartoon but supposedly turns a blind eye to such people perverting its faith! Poppycock , pure poppycock. Remember this Jafar, it is only in God's light that we can clearly discover our inner darkness. A darkness no man has ever refused save the One. THE GALLING YOKE OF THE LAW OF WORKS and its great load of condemnation are dropped when we take up the Word and submit to the Light. -Tyr:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Absolutely - well said, Tyr !!

[gabosaurus]

What a nice way to enter the Religion of peace :rolleyes:


I want to see independent confirmation of this story. I don't believe it for a second.

[Arbo]

I want to see independent confirmation of this story. I don't believe it for a second.

I did a few searches, and find no such thing. Just the normal talking head, uber-biased sites reporting what other talking head uber-biased sites have said.

[fj1200]

It could happen. That's the important thing to remember here. :slap:

[Arbo]

It could happen. That's the important thing to remember here. :slap:

There could be a muslim infiltration of the US government and tomorrow all the sleeper cells wake up and kill every citizen in America. It could happen. :laugh:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I want to see independent confirmation of this story. I don't believe it for a second. Wasn't this enough validation? --Tyr




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Yes I knew that would be his response but I googled it real quick and guess what, a entire page of the same story comes up So that blows that theory !!
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They were not real Muslims and this is simply made up crap by people who hate Muslims

OK Jafar I saved you the trouble of making excuses for these bastards - go ahead and simply ignore more facts about the religion of peace

[jafar00]

Wasn't this enough validation? --Tyr




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All that proves is the anti Islam propaganda machine is a lot better funded than the Islamic anti anything machine.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

All that proves is the anti Islam propaganda machine is a lot better funded than the Islamic anti anything machine. Jafar, de-Nile IS A RIVER IN EGYPT. Just Sayin'... Tyr

[Arbo]

Jafar, de-Nile IS A RIVER IN EGYPT. Just Sayin'... Tyr

Such delusion. You think it's far off, but it quite clearly is a heck of a lot closer.

[darin]

Those who pull verses out of context betray the intent of the author; whether you are pro or con on the issue.

The fact isn't what's written in the "holy" books - the fact is people are doing terrible things. If 'unreal' muslims did these things, 'real' muslims should hold them accountable. "real" Muslims must speak out publically and privately against these acts.

And those doing this acts should be removed from society.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Those who pull verses out of context betray the intent of the author; whether you are pro or con on the issue.

The fact isn't what's written in the "holy" books - the fact is people are doing terrible things. If 'unreal' muslims did these things, 'real' muslims should hold them accountable. "real" Muslims must speak out publically and privately against these acts.

And those doing this acts should be removed from society. Right on the spot. Islam does not attack those engaging in the murderous deeds because the Koran validates those deeds. That is what Jafar pretends does not exist and why he calls the murdering Islamists terrorists not Muslim. He seeks to avoid having to face the truth of what the Koran promotes and commands. Islam murders over a cartoon or a bad word spoken against Allah or Mohammad yet doesn't do a single thing to stop all these supposedly false muslim attackers defaming their religion!! Pure poppycock and he knows it. -Tyr

[jafar00]

Those who pull verses out of context betray the intent of the author; whether you are pro or con on the issue.

The fact isn't what's written in the "holy" books - the fact is people are doing terrible things. If 'unreal' muslims did these things, 'real' muslims should hold them accountable. "real" Muslims must speak out publically and privately against these acts.

And those doing this acts should be removed from society.

But we do speak out, and often. You're just refusing to listen and there is not enough sensationalism in the press to give us as much free publicity as terrorists are given.


Right on the spot. Islam does not attack those engaging in the murderous deeds because the Koran validates those deeds.

In your words, "pure poppycock!"

[Jeff]

I want to see independent confirmation of this story. I don't believe it for a second.


I did a few searches, and find no such thing. Just the normal talking head, uber-biased sites reporting what other talking head uber-biased sites have said.


It could happen. That's the important thing to remember here. :slap:

If y'all had bothered to read the first paragraph it gives you a address to Fox

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/19/convert-or-die-nigerian-terrorist-group-boko-haram-tells-christian-women/

[red states rule]

If y'all had bothered to read the first paragraph it gives you a address to Fox

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/19/convert-or-die-nigerian-terrorist-group-boko-haram-tells-christian-women/


Jeff that would require them to have an open mind and go into the thread with an open mind

You are asking WAY to much from those three

[Jeff]

Jeff that would require them to have an open mind and go into the thread with an open mind

You are asking WAY to much from those three

As I originally posted I looked up proof and it was there so they can twist it all they want if that makes them feel better :laugh:

As for Jafar , yes Jafar you do speak up but you are one, if and when you get others like you it will help your cause but when people see ONE speaking up it is hardly the majority.

[red states rule]

As I originally posted I looked up proof and it was there so they can twist it all they want if that makes them feel better :laugh:

As for Jafar , yes Jafar you do speak up but you are one, if and when you get others like you it will help your cause but when people see ONE speaking up it is hardly the majority.

Jeff I cannot recall you posting anything that was not accurate. But knowing you as I do - you would be the first to post a retraction if it did turn out to be false

However, the Three Stooges in question are appeasers and prefer to look the other way when it comes to terrorists and those that want us dead

[Jeff]

Jeff I cannot recall you posting anything that was not accurate. But knowing you as I do - you would be the first to post a retraction if it did turn out to be false

However, the Three Stooges in question are appeasers and prefer to look the other way when it comes to terrorists and those that want us dead

Brother I have posted stories that where shown to be wrong and yes when proved wrong I simply admit I was wrong but this article even after seeing it had a link to FOX news I googled it and all kinds of stand up sites backed the story so again we see what our resident Liberals are all about . :cool: Think about it one said it and they all jumped on board and all they had to do was read the first paragraph to know there side didn't hold water but so be the liberal way :laugh:

But in case y'all say FOX is no good how about

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/11/17/uk-nigeria-security-islamists-insight-idUKBRE9AG03Q20131117

OR

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/11/17/Boko-Haram-Kidnaps-Christian-Women-Forces-Them-to-be-Slave-Brides

[Jeff]

:lalala:

[Arbo]

If y'all had bothered to read the first paragraph it gives you a address to Fox

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/19/convert-or-die-nigerian-terrorist-group-boko-haram-tells-christian-women/

Yes, I saw that fox reported the story… they lean right, like all the other places reporting the story.

[jimnyc]

Yes, I saw that fox reported the story… they lean right, like all the other places reporting the story.

So Fox News, Breitbart & Reuters all screwed this one up? Do you think they got together to makeup her name and quotes too? Any one in that region of the world can easily dispute the story and bring her to light, I really don't think such huge media agencies are going to simply run with and/or make up stories that are false. I think this is legit based on the story coming out of both the UK and US and is on no less than 5 major media outlets that I could find.

[jimnyc]

Independent sources outside of the original article were asked for. Now 3 were given. I can add more if anyone else likes. But I would think with 2 countries and 3 independent sources reporting, it's now on others to "disprove" this if they say it's somehow made up, wrong or false.

[Arbo]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/11/17/uk-nigeria-security-islamists-insight-idUKBRE9AG03Q20131117


Reuters is more reliable, for sure. Make one wonder where the original story came from, has everyone just copied (as it seems) reuters? What a disgusting lack of journalism when other 'outlets' merely cut and paste others stories under their own name.

[jimnyc]

I'm not sure why some find this story so hard to believe. I'm not saying that it's "mainstream Islam" and something that happens everyday, but it does happen still - and aren't we talking about Nigeria? I just saw a video of 2 guys who got caught stealing less than $100 worth of items in Nigeria. The town folks beat them with sticks, put tires over their heads and lit them on fire.

I know some are perhaps tired of Islamic stories, but I personally wouldn't have even looked for multiple stories originally, as I've read a lot of this crap over the years. I only searched for multiple stories as some seemed hesitant to believe this story. But seriously, go to Google and do a search on Islami/Muslim forced conversions and you'll find that it still happens often in remote tribal regions, as does the death penalty for apostasy, which is another frowned upon activity that some will say doesn't exist or doesn't happen, but it does.

[fj1200]

I'm not sure why some find this story so hard to believe. I'm not saying that it's "mainstream Islam" and something that happens everyday, but it does happen still - and aren't we talking about Nigeria? I just saw a video of 2 guys who got caught stealing less than $100 worth of items in Nigeria. The town folks beat them with sticks, put tires over their heads and lit them on fire.

I didn't say I didn't believe it, Boko Haram are bad people but this is a story that is used to make broader points about Islam.

[jimnyc]

Boko Haram are not following Islam. Show me where forced conversion (if this story is even true) is acceptable in Islam.


Is there EVER any proof for much of the hate they spew?


I want to see independent confirmation of this story. I don't believe it for a second.


I did a few searches, and find no such thing. Just the normal talking head, uber-biased sites reporting what other talking head uber-biased sites have said.


It could happen. That's the important thing to remember here. :slap:


I didn't say I didn't believe it, Boko Haram are bad people but this is a story that is used to make broader points about Islam.

My bad then, it sounded like your post here sort of doubted the story. Those prior to you sure doubted the validity though.

As for my OWN opinion, there is NO doubt of so many of these stories. I just don't think they are representative of Islam as a whole, I don't think this is what the religion would really want of these people & I think those involved in this type of crap are savages and are generally perverting their religion.

But some (Gabby) would rather ignore the story and just question the messenger. And that's all I'm posting about, not Islam as a whole, but rather the sole story that is in the OP. And considering the LONG history of this kind of stuff and other savagery in tribal areas of Nigeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan... I'm surprised that someone would question the OP story at all.

[fj1200]

My bad then...

Not your bad, I know it could be read that way.

[Jeff]

Reuters is more reliable, for sure. Make one wonder where the original story came from, has everyone just copied (as it seems) reuters? What a disgusting lack of journalism when other 'outlets' merely cut and paste others stories under their own name.

Well Arbo I am not going to judge any journalism but I can tell you I did google this ( quickly :laugh: I might add ) but I did, and after seeing the Fox report and then seeing the others I posted it, all this whole thing proved was some are to quick to think others don't learn a lesson :cool:

[Arbo]

I'm not saying that it's "mainstream Islam" and something that happens everyday,

What? Not the norm for them? But, uh, but, haven't you been reading this forum? It is ALL OF THEM, ALL OF THE TIME.

:rolleyes:

[gabosaurus]

What? Not the norm for them? But, uh, but, haven't you been reading this forum? It is ALL OF THEM, ALL OF THE TIME.



Very true. And ALL Christians are like the Westboro Church. They all go picket funerals of dead soldiers. And ALL Catholics molest young children and have the church cover it up for them. Muslim extremists portray all Americans as mass murderers who shoot up elementary schools and shopping malls. American soldiers rape preteen Iraqi and Afghan girls and then sell them into sexual slavery.
You can read all about it in the Islamic versions of Fox News. Believe it or die.

[jimnyc]

Very true. And ALL Christians are like the Westboro Church. They all go picket funerals of dead soldiers. And ALL Catholics molest young children and have the church cover it up for them. Muslim extremists portray all Americans as mass murderers who shoot up elementary schools and shopping malls. American soldiers rape preteen Iraqi and Afghan girls and then sell them into sexual slavery.
You can read all about it in the Islamic versions of Fox News. Believe it or die.

But lets not forget the overall point, well at least mine. Sure, you can say there are some nutsos out there that pervert the Christian name and do bad things. But in today's world, current times, if you were to compare those who abuse or kill in the name of Christianity to the very same in Islam - its like 500-1 in Islam's favor. Simply put, there are a LOT more people perverting Islam to do evil things in this world than there are Christians doing similar. It doesn't make either religion better than the other, but it does show which religion is spawning those who pervert their religion much more often.

[jafar00]

As I originally posted I looked up proof and it was there so they can twist it all they want if that makes them feel better :laugh:

As for Jafar , yes Jafar you do speak up but you are one, if and when you get others like you it will help your cause but when people see ONE speaking up it is hardly the majority.

But we ARE the majority. The problem is, we don't get free publicity like terrorists get.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

But we ARE the majority. The problem is, we don't get free publicity like terrorists get. Really? Would that majority tolerate me blowing up innocent people claiming I am doing so for Allah? Answer= hell no! Yet it turns a blind eye to the Muslims that do just that. It does not kill them as it would infidels. Care to give a clear explanation of that? The lesser beings need to know why the double standard. . --Tyr

[jafar00]

Really? Would that majority tolerate me blowing up innocent people claiming I am doing so for Allah? Answer= hell no! Yet it turns a blind eye to the Muslims that do just that. It does not kill them as it would infidels. Care to give a clear explanation of that? The lesser beings need to know why the double standard. . --Tyr

What are you drinking/smoking?

We are all against ANYONE killing innocent people.

[fj1200]

What are you drinking/smoking?

That is a very good question.

Question to no one in particular: Would one freebase koolaid or just spike their weed with it??? :confused:

[Jeff]

That is a very good question.

Question to no one in particular: Would one freebase koolaid or just spike their weed with it??? :confused:

DOPE HEAD :laugh:

Heck I knew you being from the big city and all :laugh:

[fj1200]

DOPE HEAD :laugh:

Heck I knew you being from the big city and all :laugh:

That's POT HEAD to you and I'll thank you to look the other way when me and all my leftie/lesbie friends err, neighbors get together to toke up err, before going to meeting err, church. :slap:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

What are you drinking/smoking?

We are all against ANYONE killing innocent people. Really? I guess all those murdered people were just suicides then! So now you declare Islamists to be pacifists! It really should be me asking --what the hell are you smoking!??? Jafar, its a good thing if you are sincere in your beliefs about the peaceful way Islam should follow but it hardly represents reality. It is off by a long shot..... -Tyr

[Arbo]

But we ARE the majority. The problem is, we don't get free publicity like terrorists get.

Sorta like you don't see a thread denouncing child molesting police or abortion clinic bombers, eh? Oh that silly hypocrisy rears it's head often. ;)

[Nukeman]

Sorta like you don't see a thread denouncing child molesting police or abortion clinic bombers, eh? Oh that silly hypocrisy rears it's head often. ;)
I can guarantee that if those were occurring in the numbers that Islam is used as an excuse to kill and maim I and others would be on here denouncing those as well... It's all about the numbers!!!!!!! You know that though?!?!?!!?:poke:

[gabosaurus]

I am considering sending a young girl to Jim's house. She will hold her huge boobies to his face and force him to convert to Liberalism. :cool:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I am considering sending a young girl to Jim's house. She will hold her huge boobies to his face and force him to convert to Liberalism. :cool: Jim is too strong for that. He'd just let it go on about 5 or 10 minutes and then say--no thanks.. :laugh2:-Tyr

[gabosaurus]

Jim is too strong for that. He'd just let it go on about 5 or 10 minutes and then say--no thanks.. :laugh2:-Tyr

You have such little faith in the man. :cool:

[Jeff]

You have such little faith in the man. :cool:

I know him pretty well and I think TYR is wrong as well, he would hold on for longer than that :laugh:

[Kathianne]

I am considering sending a young girl to Jim's house. She will hold her huge boobies to his face and force him to convert to Liberalism. :cool:

young girl? No way, no how has Jim exhibited himself as into 'young things.' Actually Gabby, the perversions seem to have sprung from you own imagination. Imagine that!

[jafar00]

Really? I guess all those murdered people were just suicides then! So now you declare Islamists to be pacifists! It really should be me asking --what the hell are you smoking!??? Jafar, its a good thing if you are sincere in your beliefs about the peaceful way Islam should follow but it hardly represents reality. It is off by a long shot..... -Tyr

Actually my peaceful way IS Islam. You just confuse criminals and Muslims.


I can guarantee that if those were occurring in the numbers that Islam is used as an excuse to kill and maim I and others would be on here denouncing those as well... It's all about the numbers!!!!!!! You know that though?!?!?!!?:poke:

Islam is not their excuse. Islam condemns their every action, and you call it an excuse?

[Nukeman]

Actually my peaceful way IS Islam. You just confuse criminals and Muslims.



Islam is not their excuse. Islam condemns their every action, and you call it an excuse?REALLY????? If its not a bastardization of the religion than it has to be an excuse. Regardless of what you say these "people" BELIEVE they are following Islam as taught to them by their leader!!!!!!!!! If as you say the majority want to stop this than YOU and your brethren need to push for reform and STANDARDIZATION in the hierarchy of your religious body, that plus EDUCATION OF THE MASSES. My understanding (which I will admit is limited in some ways) is that anyone has the ability to become a religious leader with little or NO oversight by a central governing body to ensure EVERYONE is taught the same doctrine!!! This is what is fundamentally wrong with the way Islam is taught..

You can scream to the highest mountain that "they are not true Muslims" but in their hearts they ARE. It is, after all, WHAT THEY WERE TAUGHT TO BELIEVE!! How do you know YOU are not a true Muslim for your beliefs? You have no STANDARDIZATION, oh you have a core belief but other than that it swings so far in opposite directions. Now we have a few sects of Christianity that are way out there but no where near the numbers of those whom you claim are "not real Muslims". Once again I will point out that they believe they are true Muslims and who are you to take that beliefs away from them, due to the FACT that is what they were taught (they don't know any better and there is NO push for reform)..

[Arbo]

REALLY????? If its not a bastardization of the religion than it has to be an excuse. Regardless of what you say these "people" BELIEVE they are following Islam as taught to them by their leader!!!!!!!!! If as you say the majority want to stop this than YOU and your brethren need to push for reform and STANDARDIZATION in the hierarchy of your religious body, that plus EDUCATION OF THE MASSES. My understanding (which I will admit is limited in some ways) is that anyone has the ability to become a religious leader with little or NO oversight by a central governing body to ensure EVERYONE is taught the same doctrine!!! This is what is fundamentally wrong with the way Islam is taught..

You can scream to the highest mountain that "they are not true Muslims" but in their hearts they ARE. It is, after all, WHAT THEY WERE TAUGHT TO BELIEVE!! How do you know YOU are not a true Muslim for your beliefs? You have no STANDARDIZATION, oh you have a core belief but other than that it swings so far in opposite directions. Now we have a few sects of Christianity that are way out there but no where near the numbers of those whom you claim are "not real Muslims". Once again I will point out that they believe they are true Muslims and who are you to take that beliefs away from them, due to the FACT that is what they were taught (they don't know any better and there is NO push for reform)..

So if someone incorrectly claims they are muslim and does bad things, it is the responsibility of other muslims to correct the situation? But this isn't the case with catholic pedophile priests?

[Jeff]

So if someone incorrectly claims they are muslim and does bad things, it is the responsibility of other muslims to correct the situation? But this isn't the case with catholic pedophile priests?

The Catholic church has been dealing with these sick people since the beginning ( not as much as I would like at times ) but they are trying to deal with them even if it isn't punishment enough they are showing they are against there acts.

[Arbo]

The Catholic church has been dealing with these sick people since the beginning ( not as much as I would like at times ) but they are trying to deal with them even if it isn't punishment enough they are showing they are against there acts.

Oh yeah, they have been working real hard against it, by moving them around, hiding them, and generally doing their best to deny just about all of it. :laugh:

[Jeff]

Oh yeah, they have been working real hard against it, by moving them around, hiding them, and generally doing their best to deny just about all of it. :laugh:

Well your argument is that they do nothing like the Muslims, and as I said I wish sometimes punishments where much more severe they at least do something , and are you trying to say that NO priest has ever been really punished by the church , because I happen to know the one that molested Jim when we where kids did get in trouble :laugh:

[Arbo]

Well your argument is that they do nothing like the Muslims,

No, that's not my argument.


and are you trying to say that NO priest has ever been really punished by the church

No, i didn't say or try to say that, in any way.

You should stick to actual words said.

[Jeff]

No, that's not my argument.



No, i didn't say or try to say that, in any way.

You should stick to actual words said.

I thought I was, and all I was saying is no the Catholics aren't perfect by no means but at least they stand up and say it is wrong ( yes the people do even if the Church was only moving these criminals around as you suggest ) the argument I feel is if Muslims came together and stood against some of the crimes committed ( as the Christians do ) then I wouldn't be worried about them trying to just say they aren't real Muslims, look at Jafar there is no way I believe he condones terror attacks at all but if he doesn't speak up ( which he does ) then he is just another Muslim making excuses , now saying he stands behind them is something all together different.

[Nukeman]

So if someone incorrectly claims they are muslim and does bad things, it is the responsibility of other muslims to correct the situation? But this isn't the case with catholic pedophile priests?How are they "incorrectly" claiming? In their hearts and as they have been instructed by their "leaders" they are practicing TRUE Islam. You overlooked the core of the problem just to bash Catholics, or to minimize the issues in the Islamic faith.. In most organized religions there is a hierarchy of leaders, elders, and learned individuals, my understanding is that ANYONE can "claim" to be a leader in the Islamic faith and the UNEDUCATED masses believe this to be true, so the fault lies with how they have organized the upper echelons of their faith.

Ultimately you have a number of men in power who USE that position to lead masses of people and trick them into thinking they are TRUE Muslims, who are we to say they are NOT true Muslims after all IN THEIR HEARTS THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE WILL OF ALLAH AS TAUGHT BY THEIR IMAN...

To answer your question YES it is the responsibility of other Muslims to point out the error of their ways and the FALSE teachings of their leader that is promoting hate to the UNEDUCATED!! Do you see a recurring theme of EDUCATION being the key to bringing the inconsistencies in Islam to a peaceful resolution!?!?!?!?!?

Now actually think about what I have posted and not deflect with Catholic bashing!!!!

[Arbo]

Catholics aren't perfect by no means but at least they stand up and say it is wrong

The church as a whole did NOT stand up and say it was wrong, as a matter of reality, their simply moving those accused to different parts of the country seems quite the opposite. Did individuals in the church say it was wrong? Maybe, but I never saw a giant outcry or movement and protests against it from members of the church. So why do you (or anyone else) expect those in any other religion to stand up and make massive public statements when it isn't required from members of other religions? Jafar has said such things are bad, and are not part of his religion over and over and over, and what does he get for it? Attacked. If this is the normal response from Americans, then why the hell would ANY muslim try to make the Americans feel better if it is clear they will just get shouted down with hate and intolerance from people, like happens here almost every damn day?

[Jeff]

The church as a whole did NOT stand up and say it was wrong, as a matter of reality, their simply moving those accused to different parts of the country seems quite the opposite. Did individuals in the church say it was wrong? Maybe, but I never saw a giant outcry or movement and protests against it from members of the church. So why do you (or anyone else) expect those in any other religion to stand up and make massive public statements when it isn't required from members of other religions? Jafar has said such things are bad, and are not part of his religion over and over and over, and what does he get for it? Attacked. If this is the normal response from Americans, then why the hell would ANY muslim try to make the Americans feel better if it is clear they will just get shouted down with hate and intolerance from people, like happens here almost every damn day?

Man quit twisting words

I posted clearly saying how Jafar is right


look at Jafar there is no way I believe he condones terror attacks at all but if he doesn't speak up ( which he does )

Now onto Catholics, Arbo you must of been in a hole if you have never heard the Catholic people speak out against the criminal priest and what little you say you might of heard :rolleyes: that is about how much more than the Muslims do ? Now Jafar posted the other day how Muslims do object in numbers but only the terrorist get the publicity and that may be true and I feel bad for Jafar ( and others like him ) but until I see more like Jafar no not all Muslims are terrorist but it doesn't look like the majority think it is wrong

[jimnyc]

The church as a whole did NOT stand up and say it was wrong, as a matter of reality, their simply moving those accused to different parts of the country seems quite the opposite. Did individuals in the church say it was wrong? Maybe, but I never saw a giant outcry or movement and protests against it from members of the church. So why do you (or anyone else) expect those in any other religion to stand up and make massive public statements when it isn't required from members of other religions? Jafar has said such things are bad, and are not part of his religion over and over and over, and what does he get for it? Attacked. If this is the normal response from Americans, then why the hell would ANY muslim try to make the Americans feel better if it is clear they will just get shouted down with hate and intolerance from people, like happens here almost every damn day?

At least in our country, the dealio with the priests was covered in a massive manner throughout almost every major media agency. Sure, people didn't protest at the Vatican daily, and I agree, the Church itself didn't do enough. But as a country, I think the USA could give some pointers, to speak out loudly, demand change and demand charges. Far too many of the priests got away with their crimes, but it wasn't for a lack of disgust and demands from people around the Country.

Each country that is predominantly Muslim, that has horrible things happening - I see more of these people being supported by tribal leaders or even lead by tribal leaders in areas.

I think these subjects are apples and oranges. Just having victims alone doesn't make them comparable. But you won't find anyone excusing the behavior of a pedophile, that's for sure. But at the same time, there are terrorists all over the world being supported in their communities. The actions like the OP here, supported in many, many regions of the world, as is death for SO many dumb reasons.

I'm not blaming the "average Joe" Muslim, as many of them are just like you and I, wake up and go about their days. This stuff starts at the top and needs to be lead by example. The leaders, presidents, army leaders - these are the people that need to stand up and do something, and talk to their people and put an end to it.

And while the destruction caused by the Church scandals is unfathomable, it's a speck in the eye compared to the death and destruction laid out by the fanatical Muslims in all areas of the world.

[Drummond]

Actually my peaceful way IS Islam. You just confuse criminals and Muslims.

You'll appreciate, Jafar, that in posing the following question, I'm soft-pedalling a bit on what I really COULD say on this subject.

However .... considering your unwavering support for Hamas .... and the gratifying stance you've clearly made on this thread .... I've a question.

The confusion of criminals v Muslims. Tell me, Jafar, which of those categories would you attribute to Hamas .. and, why ?

[aboutime]

Actually my peaceful way IS Islam. You just confuse criminals and Muslims.



Islam is not their excuse. Islam condemns their every action, and you call it an excuse?


Once again, jafar. Here you are defending what you claim to be the religion of Peace, and you tell us we are confusing criminals, and muslims. When the truth has become those two words being synonymous with everything BUT Peace.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Actually my peaceful way IS Islam. You just confuse criminals and Muslims.



Islam is not their excuse. Islam condemns their every action, and you call it an excuse? And apparently you confuse Muslims with non-Muslims.. :laugh:

[red states rule]

Yea, and these acts were not committed by "real" Muslims





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2013.12.07 (Homs, Syria) - The bodies of seven Christians are found brutally tortured and beheaded by Islamist 'rebels'.


2013.12.07 (Baghdad, Iraq) - Islamic fundamentalists murder nine patrons at alcohol shops.


2013.12.06 (Marawi, Philippines) - Moro Islamists murder a civilian.


2013.12.05 (Sanaa, Yemen) - Six doctors are among fifty innocents slaughtered in a massive suicide attack on a hospital.


2013.12.05 (Bosasso, Somalia) - Pro-Sharia activists detonate a car bomb that leaves seven dead.


2013.12.04 (Ambedkar Nagar, India) - Muslim activists gun down a Hindu.

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And of course these acts of terrorism were not committed by "real" Muslims either




21 February 2013. Hyderabad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyderabad,_India), Andhra Pradesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andhra_Pradesh). A series of two bomb blasts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Hyderabad_blasts) in a crowded place killed 16 people and 119 were injured. There were two blasts on Thursday at 6.58 p.m. and 7.01 p.m. The bicycle had a bag hung to its carrier, which the police believe had an Improvised Explosive Device (IED).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) 15 April 2013. Boston Marathon bombings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombings). Two brothers, Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnev, planted two bombs near the finish line of the Boston Marathon. The blast killed 3 and injured 183 others.[68] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks#cite_note-68)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Flag_of_Pakistan.svg/23px-Flag_of_Pakistan.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan) 7 May 2013. Hangu, Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangu,_Pakistan). In a wave of pre-election sectarian violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarian_violence_in_Pakistan) a suicide attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_May_2013_Syed_Janan_election_rally_bombing), at a rally for a candidate of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamiat_Ulema-e-Islam), a pro-taliban religious party, killed at least 15 people and injured more than 40 including an election candidate.[69] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks#cite_note-69)[70] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks#cite_note-70)[71] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks#cite_note-71)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ae/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) 22 May 2013 Two men with cleavers kill British soldier, Lee Rigby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Lee_Rigby) in London.[72] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks#cite_note-72)[73] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks#cite_note-73)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_Dagestan.svg/23px-Flag_of_Dagestan.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan) 25 May 2013 – Makhachkala (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhachkala), Dagestan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan). A female suicide bomber blew herself up in southern Russia's restive Dagestan, wounding 12 people.[74] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks#cite_note-74)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Flag_of_Iraq.svg/23px-Flag_of_Iraq.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq) 25 May 2013 – Samarra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samarra), Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq). A car bomb exploded near a bus killing six Iranians and one Iraqi. 14 others were wounded.[75] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks#cite_note-75)

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