Islamist terrorists murder 50 sleeping college kids in Nigeria .

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://news.yahoo.com/nigeria-militants-kill-students-college-attack-095734028.html Nigeria: Militants kill students in college attack POTISKUM, Nigeria (AP) — Suspected Islamic extremists attacked an agricultural college in the dead of night, gunning down dozens of students as they slept in dormitories and torching classrooms in an ongoing Islamic uprising in northeast Nigeria, the school's provost said.

As many as 50 students may have been killed in the attack that began at about 1 a.m. Sunday in rural Gujba, Provost Molima Idi Mato of the Yobe State College of Agriculture, told The Associated Press.
"They attacked our students while they were sleeping in their hostels, they opened fire at them," he said.

He said he could not give an exact death toll as security forces still are recovering bodies.

The Nigerian military has collected 42 bodies and transported 18 injured students to Damaturu Specialist Hospital, said a military intelligence official, who insisted on anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the press.

The school's other 1,000 enrolled students have fled the college that is about 40 kilometers (25 miles) north of the scene of similar school attacks around Damaturu town, said provost Mato.

He said there were no security forces stationed at the college despite government assurances that they would be deployed. The state commissioner for education, Mohammmed Lamin, called a news conference two weeks ago urging all schools to reopen and promising protection from soldiers and police.

Most schools in the area closed after militants on July 6 killed 29 pupils and a teacher, burning some alive in their hostels, at Mamudo outside Damaturu.

Northeastern Nigeria is under a military state of emergency to battle an Islamic uprising prosecuted by Boko Haram militants who have killed more than 1,700 people since 2010 in their quest for an Islamic state. Boko Haram means Western education is forbidden in the local Hausa language
Just more --PEACE from the religion of peace. Murdering kids at an Agricultural college!! How dare they learn advanced methods of agriculture. Islam is a backward cult that has managed to find it permissible to use modern devices for murdering but often seeks to shun other modern advancements. But to kill well its permissible to use any modern technique or weapon. See the hypocrisy in these backward savages? -Tyr

[truthmatters]

Is history replete with christains killing in the name of god? yes

[hjmick]

Is history replete with christains killing in the name of god? yes


In the last hundred years?

[Arbo]

In the last hundred years?

Ah, that whole "Let's skip the timeframe that such things happened so we can ignore them" argument.

[hjmick]

Get over yourself.

I'm not avoiding any argument. I am well aware of the violent past of Christianity, just as I am well aware of the violent present of Islamic extremists. I am simply pointing out that time changes most things, people and religions especially. Most people and religions anyway.

Furthermore, you will learn that truthmatters is a bigger troll than most.

[Larrymc]

Get over yourself.

I'm not avoiding any argument. I am well aware of the violent past of Christianity, just as I am well aware of the violent present of Islamic extremists. I am simply pointing out that time changes most things, people and religions especially. Most people and religions anyway.

Furthermore, you will learn that truthmatters is a bigger troll than most.There logic is because, one denomination, of Christianity had a dark past, The Barbarians of to day are Justified, You can't denounce despicable atrocity's today because the Christians done something hundreds of years ago, stupid as it sounds it there logic.

[Arbo]

I'm not avoiding any argument. I am well aware of the violent past of Christianity,

It just so happens that whenever anyone brings up the horrible, bloody history of christianity, most people say exactly what you did.


Furthermore, you will learn that truthmatters is a bigger troll than most.

A troll no doubt, but pretty similar to several of the cabal of extremist right wingers. I wouldn't be surprised if truthmatters and the others were family.

[hjmick]

It just so happens that whenever anyone brings up the horrible, bloody history of christianity, most people say exactly what you did.


Perhaps that is because the bloody history of Christianity does not pose a threat today the way bloody present of Islamic extremist do? Christians did some pretty shitty things, that will get no defense from me, but I do not feel threatened by that past when I travel overseas. Islamic extremist are doing nasty shit today, that does give me pause when I travel overseas.


You seemingly wish to excuse the actions of those who distort and twist their religion today by pointing out those who did similar things centuries ago. Sorry, I'm not buying the bullshit.


And don't go feeding me your bullshit line about being an offended Christian, that I'm attacking another religion. I'm an Atheist. I am not attacking a religion. I am talking about extremists who are abusing their religion, twisting it to suit their violent actions

[Arbo]

Perhaps that is because the bloody history of Christianity does not pose a threat today

Fanatics are always a threat, no matter what religion they hide behind.

To ignore the past is the best way to repeat it.

[cadet]

Just more --PEACE from the religion of peace. Murdering kids at an Agricultural college!! How dare they learn advanced methods of agriculture. Islam is a backward cult that has managed to find it permissible to use modern devices for murdering but often seeks to shun other modern advancements. But to kill well its permissible to use any modern technique or weapon. See the hypocrisy in these backward savages? -Tyr

Did you also notice that it seems that the kids were all Muslims, and the militants seemed to know the layout of the school?
This scares the crap out of me... And makes me happy that my roommates are anal about locking the door.

[jafar00]

Did you also notice that it seems that the kids were all Muslims, and the militants seemed to know the layout of the school?
This scares the crap out of me... And makes me happy that my roommates are anal about locking the door.

Damning proof Boko Haram are non Muslims.

Any one who kills a believer intentionally will be cast into Hell to abide there for ever, and suffer God's anger and damnation. For him a greater punishment awaits. (4:93)

I hope they like being roasted over a pit of hot lava.

[aboutime]

Damning proof Boko Haram are non Muslims.

Any one who kills a believer intentionally will be cast into Hell to abide there for ever, and suffer God's anger and damnation. For him a greater punishment awaits. (4:93)

I hope they like being roasted over a pit of hot lava.



NOTICE: To all DP members. Jafar now considers himself the DEFENSE of everything Muslim.

First jafar. You need to become a better lawyer.Choose One..
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[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Damning proof Boko Haram are non Muslims.

Any one who kills a believer intentionally will be cast into Hell to abide there for ever, and suffer God's anger and damnation. For him a greater punishment awaits. (4:93)

I hope they like being roasted over a pit of hot lava.



I hope they like being roasted over a pit of hot lava. I can and do agree with that ..:beer:

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Did you also notice that it seems that the kids were all Muslims, and the militants seemed to know the layout of the school?
This scares the crap out of me... And makes me happy that my roommates are anal about locking the door. Americans should take note of how they also murder their own that they believe follow the wrong Islam. Just think of how they will do we infidels if they ever get any power over us. And their entire mission is to get that power over us!!!!! --Tyr

[Trigg]

Damning proof Boko Haram are non Muslims.

Any one who kills a believer intentionally will be cast into Hell to abide there for ever, and suffer God's anger and damnation. For him a greater punishment awaits. (4:93)

I hope they like being roasted over a pit of hot lava.

http://www.irinnews.org/report/93250/analysis-understanding-nigeria-s-boko-haram-radicals



Boko Haram was formed by Muslim cleric Mohammed Yusuf in 2002, in Maiduguri. Initially peaceful, in June 2009 the radical sect waged a short-lived armed uprising in a bid to establish an Islamic state in the north. This was brutally crushed by the military in July 2009, leaving over 800 dead, mostly sect members.

During the crackdown, leader Yusuf and several other members including Yusuf’s father-in-law, Alhaji Baba Fugu, were killed in police custody (http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?reportid=85537).

Since January 2010, surviving sect members have reportedly been behind bomb and shoot-and-run attacks which have killed dozens of people not just in Maiduguri: An Abuja police HQ was bombed on 16 June.


jafarOO

They are muslims, they consider themselves muslims. You saying they aren't doesn't change the fact that THEY SAY THEY ARE.

YOU may disagree with what they are doing and what text they are following, but it doesn't change the fact that they are fighting to further THEIR religion.

[Arbo]

NOTICE: To all DP members. Jafar now considers himself the DEFENSE of everything Muslim.


Wow, how observant, considering he never said such a thing. :laugh:

[jimnyc]

The problem is that there are endless atrocities being committed in the name of Islam. Of course I don't believe they are peaceful people and are of course perverting their religion. But that still does little to change that they announce themselves as Muslims and make claims of performing their savagery in the name of Islam. More Muslims, especially leaders, need to stand up and at the very least continue to speak out against such acts. It's cool that Jafar does so, but it's the leaders who the world hear. It would also be nice if they took a proactive stance in going after the many terrorists and violent people and groups. This doesn't make the peaceful people bad, but sure gives off a vibe that they either support it, or don't care enough to stand up and try and crush it and get it out of their countries.

I also know many of these places aren't equipped to fight back against these vermin. But then they generally refuse help from other countries and/or condemn them.

[Drummond]

Fanatics are always a threat, no matter what religion they hide behind.

To ignore the past is the best way to repeat it.

-- OK. Here's a little litmus test for you.

How many Islamic terrorist groups (i.e groups identifying themselves as Islamic, whose aims are clearly stated to be the furtherance of Islamic goals) are there in the world today ?

Now, how many CHRISTIAN terrorist groups are there in the world today, likewise identifying themselves as Christian, whose aims are clearly stated to be the furtherance of Christian goals ?

Come up with an accurate tally of each, Arbo. Or .. even an informed estimate will do ...

[jimnyc]

As to those pointing out violence from Christianity in the past - I'll agree with you, they were mostly despicable, just as the acts are today by so many Islam, those acts you would ignore by preferring to point out the past. The prior horrid acts of ANY religion throughout time DO NOTHING to address current violence out of control by radical muslims. Sure, it's nice to take a trip down memory lane now and again, but current day violence, which HASN'T been fixed and civilized yet, should not be ignored.

[Jeff]

As to those pointing out violence from Christianity in the past - I'll agree with you, they were mostly despicable, just as the acts are today by so many Islam, those acts you would ignore by preferring to point out the past. The prior horrid acts of ANY religion throughout time DO NOTHING to address current violence out of control by radical muslims. Sure, it's nice to take a trip down memory lane now and again, but current day violence, which HASN'T been fixed and civilized yet, should not be ignored.

But ya have to wonder most of those pointing out the violence of Christianity in the past also say they don't believe in the bible or the religion, so are we cherry picking what we believe now ? Liberal are a confusing breed :eek:

[Arbo]

But ya have to wonder most of those pointing out the violence of Christianity in the past also say they don't believe in the bible or the religion, so are we cherry picking what we believe now ? Liberal are a confusing breed :eek:

Wait. So you are saying if you do not believe in a religion, you can't talk about the violence committed in it's name? Well, that's an interesting turn... I'm guessing most of you don't believe in Allah. :laugh:

[Jeff]

Wait. So you are saying if you do not believe in a religion, you can't talk about the violence committed in it's name? Well, that's an interesting turn... I'm guessing most of you don't believe in Allah. :laugh:

I am guessing you are really stupider than I originally thought , #1 I have never said Islam isn't a religion or posted video's showing how it is fake, I have posted where I don't believe what they do ( news flash genius I don't believe in any other religions that doesn't make them not real ) you are getting your Violence info from the Bible which you have posted is fake ( according to one thread why it is impossible ) but yet cherry pick out of it :poke:I don't doubt there is a religon of Muslims what I do doubt is that they are a peaceful religion, so run along Arboman and lets watch you punk out of another debate ( God that was funny !!)

[Arbo]

Some serious sidestepping there. LOL. Dude, it was your words, if you are bitching about others attacking a religion when they do not 'believe' in it, then you should at least remain consistent. You know what 'consistent' means, right? :laugh:

[Jeff]

Some serious sidestepping there. LOL. Dude, it was your words, if you are bitching about others attacking a religion when they do not 'believe' in it, then you should at least remain consistent. You know what 'consistent' means, right? :laugh:


Consistent Hmmmm like you consistently tell us how smart you are but when offered a one on one debate ya ran with your tail between your legs ? And as I said I believe there is a Muslim religion I don't believe it is the religion of peace ( hard to understand ? I am surprised for such a smart guy like you ) So lets try this one more time I have never posted video's or article's saying how Muslims are fake rather I just post what they do , or are all the beheading s and killings lie's as well ? And again you post video's showing why a certain religion is impossible but yet pick certain books from the bible to say it is Violent ( your words ) DUDE

[Arbo]

Consistent Hmmmm like you consistently tell us how smart you are

Ah, this LIE again. Be a man, prove it.

[jafar00]

http://www.irinnews.org/report/93250/analysis-understanding-nigeria-s-boko-haram-radicals




jafarOO

They are muslims, they consider themselves muslims. You saying they aren't doesn't change the fact that THEY SAY THEY ARE.

YOU may disagree with what they are doing and what text they are following, but it doesn't change the fact that they are fighting to further THEIR religion.

Do you believe what terrorists say?

By their actions, it is clear they are not Muslims.

[jafar00]

As to those pointing out violence from Christianity in the past - I'll agree with you, they were mostly despicable, just as the acts are today by so many Islam, those acts you would ignore by preferring to point out the past. The prior horrid acts of ANY religion throughout time DO NOTHING to address current violence out of control by radical muslims. Sure, it's nice to take a trip down memory lane now and again, but current day violence, which HASN'T been fixed and civilized yet, should not be ignored.

Do you say that Christian terror groups of the past/present are/were following Christianity as they claim(ed) to be doing?

[aboutime]

Do you believe what terrorists say?

By their actions, it is clear they are not Muslims.


jafar. Do you expect all of us out here to Believe what you say?

[truthmatters]

are you people going to have a war with one 5th of the worlds inhabitants? that is how many humans are Muslim in the world

[Nukeman]

are you people going to have a war with one 5th of the worlds inhabitants? that is how many humans are Muslim in the worldNope just the ones dumb enough to bring to our shores!!!!!!

You truly are an idiot aren't you!?!?!?!?!?!

[Nukeman]

Do you say that Christian terror groups of the past/present are/were following Christianity as they claim(ed) to be doing?
Yes they do!! As per their UNDERSTANDING!! Although their understanding may be flawed that is the fault of the "teacher" be it a priest/reverend/imam or whatever "educated" "holy man" you can think of.

One of the big issues YOU skirt is that in the Muslim/Islamic world there are MANY uneducated and illiterate people. They ONLY know what they are told/taught not what they read due to the fact THEY CAN NOT READ. This leaves the way wide open for a few to bastardize and take control of MANY. You want to bring the Islamic religion into the 21st century get your followers educated.... Wait if that was to happen they may think for themselves and rise up against those wanting nothing more than power over the IGNORANT MASSES.

Just because YOU say they are not true Muslims, in their hearts they believe they are who are you to judge otherwise. They are practicing what they have been taught through the words of their leader who is creating terrorist to further his agenda. Does that make those poor ignorant people less Muslim?? I think not since they are only doing what they have been taught. Just as the Christians 500 years ago were following corrupt leaders and a church that only wanted power..

The problem with Islam today is that the "leaders " have not taken a lesson from the past. during the time of the crusades the Christians are much like the Muslims of today and the Muslims were like the Christians today. Now if we can just synchronize the two in their tolerant forms we would be golden..

[Larrymc]

Yes they do!! As per their UNDERSTANDING!! Although their understanding may be flawed that is the fault of the "teacher" be it a priest/reverend/imam or whatever "educated" "holy man" you can think of.

One of the big issues YOU skirt is that in the Muslim/Islamic world there are MANY uneducated and illiterate people. They ONLY know what they are told/taught not what they read due to the fact THEY CAN NOT READ. This leaves the way wide open for a few to bastardize and take control of MANY. You want to bring the Islamic religion into the 21st century get your followers educated.... Wait if that was to happen they may think for themselves and rise up against those wanting nothing more than power over the IGNORANT MASSES.

Just because YOU say they are not true Muslims, in their hearts they believe they are who are you to judge otherwise. They are practicing what they have been taught through the words of their leader who is creating terrorist to further his agenda. Does that make those poor ignorant people less Muslim?? I think not since they are only doing what they have been taught. Just as the Christians 500 years ago were following corrupt leaders and a church that only wanted power..

The problem with Islam today is that the "leaders " have not taken a lesson from the past. during the time of the crusades the Christians are much like the Muslims of today and the Muslims were like the Christians today. Now if we can just synchronize the two in their tolerant forms we would be golden..I grew tiered of this ridicules argument, and considered attempting to explain the, ignorance of the people, and blindly following corrupt leaders, even King James knew it would not be wise to out right oppose the Church, so he had the Bible mass produced, and as the civilians began to be able to have and learn to read the Bible is when things started to change, much of the movement to come to America was by those seeking freedom from such religious rule. anyway thank you for pointing it out, and reminding me of the same lack of education is still controlling and oppressing many in the ME. although considering what your dealing with im sure you will still find, denial and argument.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

are you people going to have a war with one 5th of the worlds inhabitants? that is how many humans are Muslim in the world ^^^^ There it goes again. Another liberal speaking as if Islam is a solidly united block when trying to strike fear into its opposition but also only to happy to point out otherwise when its convenient to excuse some of murdering done by the Islamists! Trying to have it both ways again. Also I've posted several times here the numbers worldwide are that Christians still outnumber Islamists. --Tyr

[jimnyc]

Do you say that Christian terror groups of the past/present are/were following Christianity as they claim(ed) to be doing?

I think they were/are similar to the radicals from Islam today. I believe they thought they were true Christians and likely thought they were advancing their religion with their "work", but they were obviously way off course. I can't imagine any killing in the name of religion, or even wrongly in the name of religion, ever being the right thing to do. So IMO, if they did so and claimed to be doing so in the name of Christianity, they were just as bad as any Muslims today claiming to be doing their work in the name of Islam.

With that said, we still need to do more to stop today's actions. I think Islamic countries and leaders have a much better chance of helping to reel in these radicals than foreign countries do, but it seems like they are doing like .01% of what the rest of the world is trying to do. Also, I don't think the actions speak for all of Islam and I don't think it makes the others anything other than the peaceful people they are - but the reality is the perception. When 99 out of 100 of terror attacks are done by radicals claiming to be Muslims and doing so in the name if Islam, it's obviously going to reflect badly on the rest. I truly believe the countries where this crap exists have a duty to get much more strongly involved to eradicate these people.

[jimnyc]

Some serious sidestepping there. LOL. Dude, it was your words, if you are bitching about others attacking a religion when they do not 'believe' in it, then you should at least remain consistent. You know what 'consistent' means, right? :laugh:

You would do much better in concentrating on the actual debates and discussions than trying to infer that others are less intelligent than yourself. Sure, he's my brother, but I would defend any other member here if I see another concentrating on spelling, grammar or anything else to mock them. Karma usually comes along though. So while you may THINK you're more intelligent based on spelling or grammar, others always come along to knock you off of your cardboard made perch. My debate offer to you and ridiculous odds and payout still stands. Also, I never heard from you or Log about your debate, which I know nothing of. I'll put the same bet out there for you 2, but I have more confidence in him than I do myself. I'll lay $2k on Log if you beat him and you simply send me $100 if you lose.

[Larrymc]

I think they were/are similar to the radicals from Islam today. I believe they thought they were true Christians and likely thought they were advancing their religion with their "work", but they were obviously way off course. I can't imagine any killing in the name of religion, or even wrongly in the name of religion, ever being the right thing to do. So IMO, if they did so and claimed to be doing so in the name of Christianity, they were just as bad as any Muslims today claiming to be doing their work in the name of Islam.

With that said, we still need to do more to stop today's actions. I think Islamic countries and leaders have a much better chance of helping to reel in these radicals than foreign countries do, but it seems like they are doing like .01% of what the rest of the world is trying to do. Also, I don't think the actions speak for all of Islam and I don't think it makes the others anything other than the peaceful people they are - but the reality is the perception. When 99 out of 100 of terror attacks are done by radicals claiming to be Muslims and doing so in the name if Islam, it's obviously going to reflect badly on the rest. I truly believe the countries where this crap exists have a duty to get much more strongly involved to eradicate these people.Well said Jim, as in the pass, the Christians that began to been able to read the Bible for them self's were the ones, also coming out in Opposition to such behavior, and eventually put a stop to it, though there is still fanatics from Christianity, they never find approval from the church. and until Americans see this on a large scale from Islam, then there will never be trust in it IMO

[Arbo]

I would defend any other member here if I see another concentrating on spelling, grammar or anything else to mock them.

Hmm, you didn't say a word when MA did just that to me.


So while you may THINK you're more intelligent based on spelling or grammar,

And on your run with this non truth. So your previous 'apology' was not really an apology. You are free to find and link the 'frequent' times I do any such thing. LOL.

[jimnyc]

Hmm, you didn't say a word when MA did just that to me.



And on your run with this non truth. So your previous 'apology' was not really an apology. You are free to find and link the 'frequent' times I do any such thing. LOL.

My apology was sincere, as I believe if you requested proof, and I couldn't produce it, I was in fact wrong. It's not my choice that you did so again. I can't apologize for what happened regarding that between you and MA as I didn't see it, but I'll take your word for it that he did.

What you ARE frequently doing as of late is making threads/posts that are more intended to piss people off and create drama than you are legitimately wanting to discuss things. I've owned these forums for a long, long time and I know what each member does once I get to know them. Hell, you're not alone, just more pronounced as the "new guy". This is nothing I haven't said to many, many before, so don't even try the bias game with me. I just think you would be better served ignoring people and sticking to subjects, as opposed to wanting to fight, or create threads/posts with the intent of doing so to try and play games aka point out hypocrisy. You would look better, and the board would be better served, if you replied in the threads where you don't like something that makes you want to create the other threads. Either that or don't open what you like. But the bottom line is this - any such drama that existed here when you arrived, you have attached yourself to and now became a part of it.

[Arbo]

My apology was sincere, as I believe if you requested proof, and I couldn't produce it, I was in fact wrong.

Then it seems quite odd that you would continue to make the same claims after apologizing for being wrong about them.


I just think you would be better served ignoring people and sticking to subjects,

I left the cage and tried that. At that point, based on your announcements to the whole forum about keeping the OT BS out of non-cage threads, I would have thought that the little cabal would have been smacked down when they continued. It doesn't appear so, as even though they claim to have me on ignore, they keep popping into threads and starting shit. Once it became clear that they have free roam to do as they please, it only made sense to confront them. And as it worked out, I am the only one catching shit for it, not those that are the root of it.

I have seen logroller, missile, nuke, sassy, cadet, tj, dragon and a few others that are free thinking and ask good questions and put out very thoughtful responses. Would love to see more of it.

[Jeff]

Consistent Hmmmm like you consistently tell us how smart you are but when offered a one on one debate ya ran with your tail between your legs ? And as I said I believe there is a Muslim religion I don't believe it is the religion of peace ( hard to understand ? I am surprised for such a smart guy like you ) So lets try this one more time I have never posted video's or article's saying how Muslims are fake rather I just post what they do , or are all the beheading s and killings lie's as well ? And again you post video's showing why a certain religion is impossible but yet pick certain books from the bible to say it is Violent ( your words ) DUDE

OK well we try the ignore thing but then I get on to see this idiot is now neg repping me :laugh: a guy that has his reps turned off because if he didn't he would be so far in the red it would be unreal , So for all those that say just ignore him it is hard to do with a guy like this that is obsessed with fighting with others, and yes fighting because when a challenge was offered to this genius he was as quiet as a church mouse and after three times of being offered this challenge and even being offered 5 to 1 odds he still stayed quiet so a debate isn't what he wants ,ooo he was quiet until he had to tell us all how Tyr wouldn't take his challenge and yes this was all in the same thread :laugh: this from a guy that feels he is smart enough to put others down all day , and please don't take my word for it go to the thread it happened in , it will be worth the read , it was funnier than any comic book ya ever read as a kid :laugh:

[jimnyc]

I will then add this in there too - I am working hard to get you guys to all ignore one another, or avoid the issues so that we can all get back to enjoying the board again. Please, no one, please don't go behind this and poke at others in private since the public side is being reeled in. Staff has access to every rep comment. We don't want to have to moderate every thread on the board, and then have to get involved with PM stuff when the board side is being fixed.

[Arbo]

OK well we try the ignore thing but then I get on to see this idiot is now neg repping me

Just as you did to me the 29th.


a guy that has his reps turned off because if he didn't he would be so far in the red it would be unreal

That's what happens when you and your buddies ignore the rules:


Reputation System - Should not be used as a means to harass someone. Please avoid vulgarity, threats or over the top comments. Staff can view comments and have the ability to delete comments. Additionally, reputation comments should be treated as private, and therefore comments left should not be discussed on the board.

As to the rest of your post ... :laugh:

[jimnyc]

Just as you did to me the 29th.



That's what happens when you and your buddies ignore the rules:



As to the rest of your post ... :laugh:

Once again, I just made a post in this thread to let the shit go, but you HAVE to get the last word in, and also outright ignore what I have been requesting of you via PM. Apparently you think you are innocent and that I am bluffing.

[hjmick]

Oy vey.