Why christianity is impossible to believe...

[Arbo]

Yeah, it uses logic, reason and critical thinking. How horrible.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbOUBUVLvKw

[cadet]

Why atheism is impossible to believe.

Logically, there is an almost zero% (1x10^negative giant number) chance that we exist.
The fact that the universe is even here is incomprehensible.
The probability that the universe exists as it does is almost nigh.
The fact that for everything, there is a negative of said thing, just says that everything should be zero. (anti-matter, matter)
The probability that you exist is so small... taking into account just to your grandparents that you should exist.


If you take into account all of their parents, all the way up to the beginning of life. And then take into account that our galaxy formed. or that our planet balanced out, or that we've only been hit by one big meteor in trillions of years, or that the universe formed in such a way that it did, or that time exists, and the big bang even happening.... there is essentially zero% chance that you had the opportunity to post this.

[Arbo]

Ah, no addressing of the content of the video. Excellent.

[fj1200]

^Cliff notes? But without having watched the video, sure it's sometimes hard to believe but sometimes it's hard not too.

[cadet]

Ah, no addressing of the content of the video. Excellent.

And I thought the video was horseshit.
Now, count all the possibilities that are against you existing, and able to read this sentence.

[Arbo]

And I thought the video was horseshit.
Now, count all the possibilities that are against you existing, and able to read this sentence.

That we are here does not mean there needed to be a 'supreme being' that put us here. That's faulty logic.

[gabosaurus]

Yeah, it uses logic, reason and critical thinking. How horrible.


http://cdn.meme.li/i/mskgj.jpg

[Arbo]

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Are you red state's sister? :laugh2:

[Trigg]

1. Why would Jesus have been born in China? They didn't believe in God. They believe in Buddha.

2. He seems to lump Judaism and Christianity in the same pile. Although I am no where near a scholar is Judaism, I will say they do believe in God, but don't believe that Jesus was born yet and are waiting for his birth.

[Thunderknuckles]

2. He seems to lump Judaism and Christianity in the same pile. Although I am no where near a scholar is Judaism, I will say they do believe in God, but don't believe that Jesus was born yet and are waiting for his birth.
Judaism and Christianity are close cousins so I don't have a problem with them being lumped into the same pile. The primary difference between the two is that Christians believe that Jesus, the Messiah, is the Son of God, a deity himself descended from Heaven.
Jews also believe in the Messiah but he will be a mortal man descended from the line of King David. Other than that, our beliefs are pretty similar.

[Abbey Marie]

Two Christianphobic threads in the same day?

Perhaps you can explain to us why you feel the need to convince others who are minding their own business that their faith is bulls***? Cause from where I'm sitting, you appear to be the one with the problem, not them.

[aboutime]

Two Christianphobic threads in the same day?

Perhaps you can explain to us why you feel the need to convince others who are minding their own business that their faith is bulls***? Cause from where I'm sitting, you appear to be the one with the problem, not them.


Abbey. It appears. Someone you were addressing above has been working on proving how Ignorance REALLY IS bliss.

Anything to start trouble. Which is a means many of them use to disguise their miserable, self-destructive life behind being a bully.

[Arbo]

Two Christianphobic threads in the same day?

Perhaps you can explain to us why you feel the need to convince others who are minding their own business that their faith is bulls***? Cause from where I'm sitting, you appear to be the one with the problem, not them.

If a forum has a sub form for discussions about Religion, what exactly is to be discussed in said forum?

It is highly amusing that so many people stand up to bitch when it is their religion that is being 'attacked', yet so many remain silent when it is a different religion.

:laugh:


Abbey. It appears. Someone you were addressing above has been working on proving how Ignorance REALLY IS bliss.

Anything to start trouble. Which is a means many of them use to disguise their miserable, self-destructive life behind being a bully.

Congratulations! Yet another bit of OT from an idiot!

[logroller]

Two Christianphobic threads in the same day?

Perhaps you can explain to us why you feel the need to convince others who are minding their own business that their faith is bulls***? Cause from where I'm sitting, you appear to be the one with the problem, not them.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?42512-This-is-what-Muslims-teach-their-children

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?37131-Most-recent-muslim-terrorist-attacks

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43209-This-could-start-the-end-over-there!!!

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43163-Women-treated-like-dogs-again!-UK-muslims-do-their-thing!

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43105-Islam-in-America-a-plague-that-grows

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?42980-Somalia-Reports-indicate-American-jihadi-killed

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?42792-The-Islamic-future-of-Britain

Thats just from the religion forum in the last 3 weeks.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43234-%93Peace-Prize-Obama%94-Went-to-Kenya-in-2006-amp-Campaigned-for-His-Muslim-Terrorist-Cousi

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43198-quot-The-Flag-Of-Islam-Will-One-Day-Fly-Over-The-White-House!-quot

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43180-Feds-praise-Islam-s-work-for-women-s-rightsT

There's loads more.

I'm just saying that if spreading phobia is frowned upon I see much to be reckoned with.

[Arbo]

I'm just saying that if spreading phobia is frowned upon I see much to be reckoned with.

Ah, somebody get's the point of today's exercise. :clap:

[Larrymc]

Yeah, it uses logic, reason and critical thinking. How horrible.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbOUBUVLvKwThe perfect example of an educated idiot, he picks 98 thousand years out of thin air, with no way to verify it, even the ice samples they used for years has turned out to be bogus, God had a race that he compelled to follow him, angels, he wanted a race that would choose him, but he under estimated the power of sin on man as evident by his proclamation that he repentath at his creation, God dealt with man personally in the old testament, but man always failed, Jesus was sent to live with man as a man to endure all the temptations of man, this is why he alone can intercede for man, his the only one who can explain mans weakness to the Father, Its easy to just dismiss all this, but i say the ones that do are lazy, and don't care for the truth. Which is there prerogative, but that doesn't make them more enlightened than the Christian.

[Arbo]

Its easy to just dismiss all this,.

If one has the ability to reason, yes, it is.

[Larrymc]

Two Christianphobic threads in the same day?

Perhaps you can explain to us why you feel the need to convince others who are minding their own business that their faith is bulls***? Cause from where I'm sitting, you appear to be the one with the problem, not them.Arbo is like Homosexuals Christianity scares him, and his desperate for someone to agree with his, not so blissful ignorance.

[Larrymc]

If one has the ability to reason, yes, it is.Well that's one mans opinion.

[aboutime]

Well that's one mans opinion.


Larrymc. You just insulted all Real Men who are capable of having an opinion by suggesting that to Arbo.

[tailfins]

Two Christianphobic threads in the same day?

Perhaps you can explain to us why you feel the need to convince others who are minding their own business that their faith is bulls***? Cause from where I'm sitting, you appear to be the one with the problem, not them.

Don't they have Apologetics presented in your church's Sunday School classes? The teacher poses a question similar to these kinds of posts and you build a solid case to the contrary. I'm not in the mood to play "intellectual tennis" with an Atheist. I would just refer anyone with an interest in the topic to author Josh McDowell who wrote "Evidence That Demands A Verdict".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_McDowell

[Larrymc]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?42512-This-is-what-Muslims-teach-their-children

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?37131-Most-recent-muslim-terrorist-attacks

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43209-This-could-start-the-end-over-there!!!

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43163-Women-treated-like-dogs-again!-UK-muslims-do-their-thing!

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43105-Islam-in-America-a-plague-that-grows

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?42980-Somalia-Reports-indicate-American-jihadi-killed

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?42792-The-Islamic-future-of-Britain

Thats just from the religion forum in the last 3 weeks.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43234-%93Peace-Prize-Obama%94-Went-to-Kenya-in-2006-amp-Campaigned-for-His-Muslim-Terrorist-Cousi

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43198-quot-The-Flag-Of-Islam-Will-One-Day-Fly-Over-The-White-House!-quot

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43180-Feds-praise-Islam-s-work-for-women-s-rightsT

There's loads more.

I'm just saying that if spreading phobia is frowned upon I see much to be reckoned with.There's no phobia just those who believe, and those that don't, I think Americans have every reason to be suspicious of Muslims, if you choose to turn a blind eye, lets hope they migrate into your neighbor hood, cause many of use us would rather not be left to determine which part of the Qur'an they will hold to be true.

[Missileman]

1. Why would Jesus have been born in China? They didn't believe in God. They believe in Buddha.

Working under the premise that the Judeo-Christian god is THE ONLY god, do you suppose that He hates the Chinese and has no interest in their salvation whatsoever? Think of it like advertising. If you had the greatest product of all time to sell, would you advertise it in NYC, population 8 million or in Gurley, Nebraska, population 8?

[Abbey Marie]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?42512-This-is-what-Muslims-teach-their-children

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?37131-Most-recent-muslim-terrorist-attacks

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43209-This-could-start-the-end-over-there!!!

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43163-Women-treated-like-dogs-again!-UK-muslims-do-their-thing!

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43105-Islam-in-America-a-plague-that-grows

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?42980-Somalia-Reports-indicate-American-jihadi-killed

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?42792-The-Islamic-future-of-Britain

Thats just from the religion forum in the last 3 weeks.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43234-%93Peace-Prize-Obama%94-Went-to-Kenya-in-2006-amp-Campaigned-for-His-Muslim-Terrorist-Cousi

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43198-quot-The-Flag-Of-Islam-Will-One-Day-Fly-Over-The-White-House!-quot

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43180-Feds-praise-Islam-s-work-for-women-s-rightsT

There's loads more.

I'm just saying that if spreading phobia is frowned upon I see much to be reckoned with.

There is a vast difference between criticizing a religion when violent behavior is committed in the name of that religion, and trying to convince the faithful that their beliefs are illogical crap. If Muslims weren't carrying out jihad and barbaric acts just about everywhere you look, I doubt the people you cited would be saying anything at all about them. And certainly would not be trying to debunk their faith. Apples and oranges. In any event, I am the one who made the comment, and that is not really my MO, so it doesn't really apply much to me. I am not responsible for what others post.

There is something very ugly and small about coming onto a forum and trying to tell people of a specific religion that their beliefs are stupid. Especially when those people are essentially minding their business about their beliefs. One might wonder what those people and their beliefs have done here to him to warrant such posting. If people have been specifically hard-line proselytizing Arbo to convert to Christianity, then maybe it would have some merit. If they have, I've not seen it.

[Larrymc]

Working under the premise that the Judeo-Christian god is THE ONLY god, do you suppose that He hates the Chinese and has no interest in their salvation whatsoever? Think of it like advertising. If you had the greatest product of all time to sell, would you advertise it in NYC, population 8 million or in Gurley, Nebraska, population 8?Of course God cares for them, i believe its why we have missionary's and are called to take the gospel to all the earth, but i believe he make an opportunity for those not reached, but once you have heard the Gospel its your chose to accept it or not.

[Arbo]

Larrymc. You just insulted all Real Men who are capable of having an opinion by suggesting that to Arbo.

More OT from Mr. OT himself!


There is a vast difference between criticizing a religion when violent behavior is committed in the name of that religion, and trying to convince the faithful that their beliefs are illogical crap.

So you support the numerous anti-Islam rants that a few members of the form keep advancing, but don't support discussing if a religion itself?



There is something very ugly and small about coming onto a forum and trying to tell people of a specific religion that their beliefs are stupid.

You mean like all the anti-Islam threads? Or is it only when people 'attack' christianity that you get upset?

[Missileman]

Of course God cares for them, i believe its why we have missionary's and are called to take the gospel to all the earth, but i believe he make an opportunity for those not reached, but once you have heard the Gospel its your chose to accept it or not.
My post was in the context of the comment in the video about why God chose the ME to introduce himself and Trigg's question about it.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?42512-This-is-what-Muslims-teach-their-children

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?37131-Most-recent-muslim-terrorist-attacks

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43209-This-could-start-the-end-over-there!!!

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43163-Women-treated-like-dogs-again!-UK-muslims-do-their-thing!

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43105-Islam-in-America-a-plague-that-grows

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?42980-Somalia-Reports-indicate-American-jihadi-killed

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?42792-The-Islamic-future-of-Britain

Thats just from the religion forum in the last 3 weeks.

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43234-%93Peace-Prize-Obama%94-Went-to-Kenya-in-2006-amp-Campaigned-for-His-Muslim-Terrorist-Cousi

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43198-quot-The-Flag-Of-Islam-Will-One-Day-Fly-Over-The-White-House!-quot

http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?43180-Feds-praise-Islam-s-work-for-women-s-rightsT

There's loads more.

I'm just saying that if spreading phobia is frowned upon I see much to be reckoned with.

ok, hotshot feel free to post threads about Christians murdering innocent people all over the world in the name of their religion. NOBODY STOPPING YOU OR OTHERS FROM DOING THAT. Islam is criticized directly for its verses which promote violence and current events give credence to that and are subjects to be discussed in more than one forum. Spreading phobia you say. So presenting true events and links to verify is now suddenly a phobia exercise. Knock it off, this dumbass comparing apples and oranges. I tell you what when Christians start bombing and deliberately murdering innocent women and children you great defenders od Islam give me a call. Until then YOU AND OTHERS LOOK SILLY TRYING TO MAKE THE COMPARISON IMHO. YOU CAN PUT A SADDLE ON A DOG DOESNT MAKE IT A HORSE .. For you to stoop this low is amazing to me. -Tyr

[aboutime]

ok, hotshot feel free to post threads about Christians murdering innocent people all over the world in the name of their religion. NOBODY STOPPING YOU OR OTHERS FROM DOING THAT. Islam is criticized directly for its verses which promote violence and current events give credence to that and are subjects to be discussed in more than one forum. Spreading phobia you say. So presenting true events and links to verify is now suddenly a phobia exercise. Knock it off, this dumbass comparing apples and oranges. I tell you what when Christians start bombing and deliberately murdering innocent women and children you great defenders od Islam give me a call. Until then YOU AND OTHERS LOOK SILLY TRYING TO MAKE THE COMPARISON IMHO. YOU CAN PUT A SADDLE ON A DOG DOESNT MAKE IT A HORSE .. For you to stoop this low is amazing to me. -Tyr


Tyr. Gotta appreciate all the effort being shown to us in how they prove their Misery Index has climbed to greater heights in order to reach parody with their Ignorance levels.
Let's thank Log, fj, and Arbo for their excellent methods of proving something we no longer need to prove about them.
They aren't stooping low. It is impossible for them to stoop from the bottom.

[Arbo]

Tyr. Gotta appreciate all the effort being shown to us in how they prove their Misery Index has climbed to greater heights in order to reach parody with their Ignorance levels.
Let's thank Log, fj, and Arbo for their excellent methods of proving something we no longer need to prove about them.
They aren't stooping low. It is impossible for them to stoop from the bottom.

I'm surprised, more OT crap.

[Missileman]

ok, hotshot feel free to post threads about Christians murdering innocent people all over the world in the name of their religion. NOBODY STOPPING YOU OR OTHERS FROM DOING THAT. Islam is criticized directly for its verses which promote violence and current events give credence to that and are subjects to be discussed in more than one forum. Spreading phobia you say. So presenting true events and links to verify is now suddenly a phobia exercise. Knock it off, this dumbass comparing apples and oranges. I tell you what when Christians start bombing and deliberately murdering innocent women and children you great defenders od Islam give me a call. Until then YOU AND OTHERS LOOK SILLY TRYING TO MAKE THE COMPARISON IMHO. YOU CAN PUT A SADDLE ON A DOG DOESNT MAKE IT A HORSE .. For you to stoop this low is amazing to me. -Tyr
I'm not defending Islam or Christianity...also not attacking either. Food for thought. I am willing to bet that a lot of Muslims believe they are committing moral(if you define moral as "what your god would have you do") acts to the exact extent as you believe their acts immoral. I know you don't believe it, but it is possible THEY have things right and Christians got it as wrong as the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, etc.. IOW, not that I believe it, it IS possible that Muslims are doing exactly what God would have them do.

[Larrymc]

More OT from Mr. OT himself!



So you support the numerous anti-Islam rants that a few members of the form keep advancing, but don't support discussing if a religion itself?



You mean like all the anti-Islam threads? Or is it only when people 'attack' christianity that you get upset?I see your Liberal mind is binding, so I'll attempt to clarify, Yes we discus Islam most days WHY? could it be because there is an attack on innocent people, by people claiming to be Islamist almost daily. in fact i can't recall such an attack in any other religious group, perhaps you can enlighten us, Please attempt to stay with in at least the last century.

[Arbo]

Please attempt to stay with in at least the last century.

Ah, parameters. It is noted this is the normal attempt to keep the violent history of other religions out of the discussion. Who bombs abortion clinics and murders abortion doctors, Muslims or Christians?

Liberal mind. LOL. Only a total idiot could read what I right and try to drop me in that box. But it seems there are a few of those around here. LOL

[jafar00]

There is a vast difference between criticizing a religion when violent behavior is committed in the name of that religion

So you still criticise the religion when the religion actually opposes what these people do? If the Somali group that went into Kenya were following Islam, they wouldn't have shot up a shopping mall.

[Missileman]

So you still criticise the religion when the religion actually opposes what these people do? If the Somali group that went into Kenya were following Islam, they wouldn't have shot up a shopping mall.
It happens far too frequently for Islam to be totally blameless.

[tailfins]

It happens far too frequently for Islam to be totally blameless.

Before being startled by the numerator, don't forget the one billion denominator. Proportionately the frequency may be less than you think.

[Missileman]

Before being startled by the numerator, don't forget the one billion denominator. Proportionately the frequency may be less than you think.
Perhaps you might share another religious group with a similar or even larger proportion.

[tailfins]

Perhaps you might share another religious group with a similar or even larger proportion.

I'm not trying to defend Islam. My worry is seeing political pressure to do things that will turn out making the Keystone Kops look good.

[Jeff]

Two Christianphobic threads in the same day?

Perhaps you can explain to us why you feel the need to convince others who are minding their own business that their faith is bulls***? Cause from where I'm sitting, you appear to be the one with the problem, not them.

Abbey when things get slow those that like to stir the pot always go to attacking Christianity ( it usually gets a rise ) I love the fact that our extreme being that will save those he feels worthy has decided that being people don't like the fact that one religion calls itself the religion of peace and then cuts people's heads off , marries babies and so on finds the need to trash Christians , * NEWS FLASH * people don't dislike a certain religon they dislike what that religon does and how they portray themselves in real life , with that said I honestly have no problem with anyone believing in what ever religion they want ( yes I would love to show everyone what I believe is the right way but we all have the right to go which ever way we want ) my issue is what goes along with certain religions and before ya go there I don't care what happened a 1000 years ago I worry about what is happening today !

[hjmick]

Two Christianphobic threads in the same day?

Perhaps you can explain to us why you feel the need to convince others who are minding their own business that their faith is bulls***? Cause from where I'm sitting, you appear to be the one with the problem, not them.



I'm beginning to think the noisy Atheists are afraid, terrified that they may be wrong...

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

So you still criticise the religion when the religion actually opposes what these people do? If the Somali group that went into Kenya were following Islam, they wouldn't have shot up a shopping mall. Jafar, that is bull and you know it is. Islam has a documented history of being spread by the Sword and multiple verses to back up that being commanded by Allah. Myself and others are forced to present this truth OFTEN but it doesn't matter to most muslims because truth doesn't matter to them. Only absolute , blind obedience matters, A BLINDED AND SLAVISH SUBMISSION TO ISLAM . It is the ultimate thing going in brainwashing IMHO. -Tyr

[Arbo]

Jafar, that is bull and you know it is. Islam has a documented history of being spread by the Sword and multiple verses to back up that being commanded by Allah. Myself and others are forced to present this truth OFTEN but it doesn't matter to most muslims because truth doesn't matter to them. Only absolute , blind obedience matters, A BLINDED AND SLAVISH SUBMISSION TO ISLAM . It is the ultimate thing going in brainwashing IMHO. -Tyr

You wouldn't know 'truth' if it hit you in the ass.

[Missileman]

I'm not trying to defend Islam. My worry is seeing political pressure to do things that will turn out making the Keystone Kops look good.
You insinuated that my reasoning is faulty when I suggested that the religion of Islam must play at least some part in Muslim violence. I merely asked for evidence to justify your insinuation.

[aboutime]

The one, best thing about this thread is. Nobody who has posted here has any power to take away my faith, my belief in God, or change my mind.

So. It is inconsequential, and life for millions, and millions of Christians like me will go on. Despite whatever anyone else says, thinks, or does.

Tomorrow is Sunday. That means something to me, other than another Football day, and the last day before everybody with a job...goes back to work.

[Trigg]

Working under the premise that the Judeo-Christian god is THE ONLY god, do you suppose that He hates the Chinese and has no interest in their salvation whatsoever? Think of it like advertising. If you had the greatest product of all time to sell, would you advertise it in NYC, population 8 million or in Gurley, Nebraska, population 8?


Odd question, but here goes.

No I don't think he hates the Chinese, they simply don't believe in him. So why not head to a place that already acknowledges your existence.

What was the population outside of the middle east at that time? This is an area of the world that had a written language and functioning government. An area that believed in God. Seems like a great place to advertise yourself.

[Missileman]

Odd question, but here goes.

No I don't think he hates the Chinese, they simply don't believe in him. So why not head to a place that already acknowledges your existence.

What was the population outside of the middle east at that time? This is an area of the world that had a written language and functioning government. An area that believed in God. Seems like a great place to advertise yourself.

Don't you think if He'd made himself known to the Chinese 5000 years ago that the Chinese would be Christians also? That's one of the main points of the video. It makes absolutely no sense that if the Judeo-Christian god were real, and the one and only god, that he would keep himself secret from all of the other civilizations on the planet. And as Judge Judy likes to say, "If it doesn't make sense, it's not true."

[Trigg]

Don't you think if He'd made himself known to the Chinese 5000 years ago that the Chinese would be Christians also? That's one of the main points of the video. It makes absolutely no sense that if the Judeo-Christian god were real, and the one and only god, that he would keep himself secret from all of the other civilizations on the planet. And as Judge Judy likes to say, "If it doesn't make sense, it's not true."

No, I don't know that they would be. They already had an established religion. Most people stay in the religion they were born into.

There's another question. How do we know he didn't go there or any where else 5000 years ago and they just blew him off? OR they didn't have an established written language and so any knowledge he gave them wasn't written down.

[Missileman]

No, I don't know that they would be. They already had an established religion. Most people stay in the religion they were born into.

There's another question. How do we know he didn't go there or any where else 5000 years ago and they just blew him off? OR they didn't have an established written language and so any knowledge he gave them wasn't written down.

Since Buddhism didn't start until 500 BC, the one and only god would have been able to get in on the ground floor.

[Trigg]

Since Buddhism didn't start until 500 BC, the one and only god would have been able to get in on the ground floor.


Who knows exactly what did and didn't happen back then. We can only rely on what was written.