House votes to defund obamacare

[Larrymc]

http://www.foxnews.com/?cmpid=NL_breaking

[jimnyc]

http://www.foxnews.com/?cmpid=NL_breaking

Good! :clap:

And here's a direct link to the latest from their site - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/20/house-to-vote-on-plan-to-defund-obamacare-as-shutdown-fight-looms/

And another - http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/20/house-passes-spending-bill-defund-obamacare/

I don't care what side of the aisle you're on, bad legislation is bad legislation. It seems like each and every day we find out new crap about this act and how it's more harmful than helpful. This is what happens when you pass shit so you can read it. :rolleyes:

[Arbo]

It is the right thing. But it will never pass the Senate, and certainly not the Presidents desk.

[aboutime]

Despite all the recognition, and happiness this may bring to some.

"IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN!"

There are too many career politicians in the Senate who fear Obama, and his Veto power.

[Larrymc]

It is the right thing. But it will never pass the Senate, and certainly not the Presidents desk.It should be shot down, though its not likely, i think its wrong to force it, and its the wrong time to force more money out of peoples pockets, people are not even sure if they can continue to pay the bills or even have a job, and its the wrong approach the cost is what has to change, many people i know who have decent Insurance still can't afford to pay their percentage.

[red states rule]

How anyone can support or defend Obamacare is beyond me. The entire program is a total and complete clusterfuck

Now we have this gem as we are only a few days away from the "exchanges" opening





WSJ: Obamacare Software Can't 'Reliably Determine' Enrollees' Eligibility For Subsidies

The centerpiece of President Obama’s new health law is a collection of government-sponsored insurance exchanges, in which people who shop for coverage on their own can purchase health insurance, and gain a taxpayer-funded subsidy if their income is low enough. The exchanges are set to roll out on October 1, in less than two weeks. In other words, it’s crunch time. And in this morning’s Wall Street Journal comes word that the exchange software, for which the government has spent upwards of $88 million, still can’t correctly calculate the amount of subsidies that an individual applicant is eligible for. “There’s a blanket acknowledgment that rates are being calculated incorrectly,” one senior insurance executive told the WSJ. “Our tech and operations people are very concerned about the problems they’re seeing and the potential of them to stick around.”

The WSJ article (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324807704579085472970959370.html?m od=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories) was authored by Christopher Weaver, Timothy Martin, and Jeniffer Corbett Dooren. “If not resolved by the Oct. 1 launch date,” they report, “the problems could affect consumers in 36 states where the federal government is running all or part of the exchanges. About 32 million uninsured people live in those states.”


Glitches could lead to waste, fraud, and abuse

Here’s how it works. The exchanges offer individuals a subsidy on a sliding scale, depending on your income, to purchase insurance. If your income is near the poverty line, you get almost a full subsidy. If you make two to three times the federal poverty level—say $25,000 to $35,000 a year for a childless unmarried adult—you get a partial subsidy. And if you make more than four times the federal poverty level—about $46,000 a year—you don’t get any subsidy at all.

But tests on the software that calculates how much your subsidy is worth, if any, only began this week, according to the Journal reporters, even though they were “initially scheduled to begin months ago.” If enrollees’ subsidies are calculated incorrectly, it could mean that some people gain much larger subsidies than they’re eligible for under the law, and others miss out on subsidies they would otherwise obtain. “On the surface, you’d think this is pretty easy for a website to give you a price, but behind the scenes, the number of variables is very high,” says Michael Krigsman, an IT consultant.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/20/wsj-obamacare-software-cant-reliably-determine-enrollees-eligibility-for-subsidies/

[Arbo]

It should be shot down, though its not likely, i think its wrong to force it, and its the wrong time to force more money out of peoples pockets, people are not even sure if they can continue to pay the bills or even have a job, and its the wrong approach the cost is what has to change, many people i know who have decent Insurance still can't afford to pay their percentage.

Perhaps for a change, the (R)'s should start listening to the independents, which they seem to keep loosing (And thus losing elections)

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/09/the-republicans-perilous-position-on-a-defund.php

[aboutime]

It should be shot down, though its not likely, i think its wrong to force it, and its the wrong time to force more money out of peoples pockets, people are not even sure if they can continue to pay the bills or even have a job, and its the wrong approach the cost is what has to change, many people i know who have decent Insurance still can't afford to pay their percentage.



Larrymc. Everyone here who knows anything about what is taking place in politics, and Washington with Congress, and Obama. Should also know, and accept that ALL OF THIS TAKING PLACE, over Obamacare, and the CR they are arguing about. Has a Bottom Line.

And. That Bottom Line has been the Only Goal Democrats, and Obama have had since FDR was alive in the 1940's.

In simple terms. SOCIALIZED MEDICINE! Nothing more, nothing less.
October 1st. The entire nation is going to see what their VOTES for Obama, and Democrats did to them. And there won't be anything those DEPENDENT, WHINERS can do.

[red states rule]

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[Larrymc]

How anyone can support or defend Obamacare is beyond me. The entire program is a total and complete clusterfuck

Now we have this gem as we are only a few days away from the "exchanges" openingSadly Obama intends to force this, Regardless of the issues,

[red states rule]

Sadly Obama intends to force this, Regardless of the issues,

Once the handouts start flowing to the takers, he figures it will never be repealed

Like the local drug dealer, once Obama has them hooked - he has them for life

[aboutime]

Once the handouts start flowing to the takers, he figures it will never be repealed

Like the local drug dealer, once Obama has them hooked - he has them for life



That BOTTOM LINE for Obama, and the Dems. Just watch.

[red states rule]

That BOTTOM LINE for Obama, and the Dems. Just watch.

Obama lap dogs (and YOU know who they are AT) measure compassion by how many people are dependent on a government program

And they are willing to spend every dollar you and I have to show their compassion

[Arbo]

Obama lap dogs (and YOU know who they are AT)

Can you name these 'lap dogs', and give links to anything that shows they are 'lap dogs'?

[red states rule]

http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/2012/Obama's%20Lap%20Dogs.gif

[Arbo]

That's not what you meant by your statement. But again we see a refusal to actually even attempt to back up your suggestions with actual data. Thanks.

[red states rule]

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[Larrymc]

Perhaps for a change, the (R)'s should start listening to the independents, which they seem to keep loosing (And thus losing elections)

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/09/the-republicans-perilous-position-on-a-defund.phpMyself i would most likely be an Independent, but their never going to split enough votes to win, The Republicans need to ignite their voters. and their incompetents lately may be doing it for them, with the Bikers and now the Truckers.

[Larrymc]

http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/2012/Obama's%20Lap%20Dogs.gifThe test for Obama Lap Dogs seems to be associating your self with the Democratic Party, all though there seems to be a few Republicans in the pack lately.

[Arbo]

The test for Obama Lap Dogs seems to be associating your self with the Democratic Party, all though there seems to be a few Republicans in the pack lately.

It appears RSR's test is: Do you agree with him. Nothing more.

[Kat]

I have a smile today....albeit a small one. But for today this is Obama>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://side-kicks.katkall.com/forum/images/smilies/209E04~111.GIF

[Larrymc]

It appears RSR's test is: Do you agree with him. Nothing more.I agree that would about cover it.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

It should be shot down, though its not likely, i think its wrong to force it, and its the wrong time to force more money out of peoples pockets, people are not even sure if they can continue to pay the bills or even have a job, and its the wrong approach the cost is what has to change, many people i know who have decent Insurance still can't afford to pay their percentage. Defund it and tell Obama to go suck eggs!! Congress has the purse for a reason... Obama and crew hooked and crooked it into law and hooked and crooked it into being upheld by Scotus too. In my opinion Justice Roberts should be jailed for his ever so obvious corruption in that case....--Tyr

[aboutime]

Can you name these 'lap dogs', and give links to anything that shows they are 'lap dogs'?



Arbo. They seem to be people like you. Since you asked. Otherwise. Giving the obvious names would probably make you feel uncomfortable, and ask more questions.

[Arbo]

Arbo. They seem to be people like you. Since you asked. Otherwise. Giving the obvious names would probably make you feel uncomfortable, and ask more questions.

Well, that's part of what was asked. But we know the reality is this: People do not agree with some far right-wingers, so rather that deal with issues try to label them what their ideas clearly show they are not. Not a good strategy. :laugh2:

[red states rule]

The test for Obama Lap Dogs seems to be associating your self with the Democratic Party, all though there seems to be a few Republicans in the pack lately.

Yep, there are several RINO's who need to go. For some reason they believe if they work with Dems things will get better

Yet it only makes things worse

Then they are shocked when they are trashed by the liberal media and their "friends" across the asile

[red states rule]

Arbo. They seem to be people like you. Since you asked. Otherwise. Giving the obvious names would probably make you feel uncomfortable, and ask more questions.

Like his 2 buddies, one might think Arbo is playing dumb

The sad thing is - his is not playing

http://centristnetblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/blue_dog_democrats_like_obama_big_spending_sociali sm1.jpg

[Arbo]

Like his 2 buddies, one might think Arbo is playing dumb

The sad thing is - his is not playing

http://centristnetblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/blue_dog_democrats_like_obama_big_spending_sociali sm1.jpg

No comment on the topic I see, just ANOTHER picture, and more OT BS. Can't follow even the most simple of rules I see.

[red states rule]

If you want to insult Obama lap dogs - call them Obama lap dogs

[Arbo]

If you want to insult Obama lap dogs - call them Obama lap dogs

Except all you are doing, is destroying threads, per the norm, with your BS. Of course you have ZERO to back just about anything you say, which is expected.

[red states rule]

Except all you are doing, is destroying threads, per the norm, with your BS. Of course you have ZERO to back just about anything you say, which is expected.

This may come as a shock to you newbie - but this board does not and will not revolve around you and what you want

Get over yourself and stop trying to imitate FU by trying to boss people around

Until Jim makes you a staff member just STFU and spare us your mellow dramatics

[Arbo]

this may come as a shock to you newbie - but this board does not and will not revolve around you and what you want

get over yourself and stop trying to imitate fu by trying to boss people around

until jim makes you a staff member just stfu and spare us your mellow dramatics

.........


personal feuds - no surprisingly, members can sometimes get involved in personal feuds. We ask that these be kept off the boards. please don't derail threads by going "after" someone you don't like.

[Gaffer]

Except all you are doing, is destroying threads, per the norm, with your BS. Of course you have ZERO to back just about anything you say, which is expected.

And your not destroying threads?

[red states rule]

And your not destroying threads?



:clap::clap::clap:

[Arbo]

And your not destroying threads?

I am calling out an ignorant ass who does nothing but. Perhaps if you or anyone else had manned up and done it, he wouldn't be such a worthless member. If you paid even a bit of attention, you'd notice 90% of what he posts is attacks on others and OT images.

[Larrymc]

I am calling out an ignorant ass who does nothing but. Perhaps if you or anyone else had manned up and done it, he wouldn't be such a worthless member. If you paid even a bit of attention, you'd notice 90% of what he posts is attacks on others and OT images.Hold on now his been he a while, and most of us appreciate he input as much as anyone else.

[Gaffer]

I am calling out an ignorant ass who does nothing but. Perhaps if you or anyone else had manned up and done it, he wouldn't be such a worthless member. If you paid even a bit of attention, you'd notice 90% of what he posts is attacks on others and OT images.

At the risk of repeating myself. And your not destroying threads?

If you don't like someones posts, put them on ignore. Then you don't have to read them and be distracted. It's a simple solution. Now lets get back to the topic.

[Arbo]

If you don't like someones posts, put them on ignore.

Ah, stand up for 'your boy'. Pretty transparent.

[Trigg]

If this bickering continues I will move the offending posts to the cage.

[red states rule]

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[red states rule]

Back to the topic at hand


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