View Full Version : Washington Has Denied a permit for a Non Stop ride for the Bikers on 9/11
We all knew this would happen and here is the apology.
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WE DONT NEED NO STINKING PERMIT ! WE HAVE OUR CONSTITUIONAL RIGHTS AND WE SHALL RIDE !
2 Millions Bikers to DC
FINAL DETAILS FROM THE NATIONAL "2 MILLION BIKERS TO DC" TEAM:
Washington DC has DENIED our permit for a no-stop ride through Washington DC. We find this regretful for the residents and businesses of that great city, and humbly offer our apologies. What could have been a one or two hour ride through will now likely be an all day event. We will be obeying all laws. We will be stopping at all stoplights, stop signs, and yielding to all pedestrians.
RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES OF WASHINGTON DC: On behalf of the National "2 Million Bikers to DC" Team, please accept our sincere apologies. We did the right thing and went through the proper channels to secure a no-stop permit to ride through your great city. We wanted to ride an established route, which would have taken us past the Viet Nam Memorial to the Lincoln Memorial, across the bridge into Virginia, and that's it! We would have been completely out of Washington DC, and your city would have been back to normal.
The National Team fully expected our permit to be rejected, and have already drafted a Plan-B. That Plan-B will be posted a little later today once the final details have been bolted down.
We know that California and Texas riders had kicks stands up yesterday. Many other western states have kickstand up today and throughout the weekend.
RIDERS: You are true, blue Patriots and we salute you for your participation in this event! Many of you have taken time off of work to be here. You have freely given of your time, your funds, and your bikes to ride shoulder to shoulder in this event. You have have left your families and your jobs to be here. Those of us who ride come from different clubs, chapters, and organizations. Some of us ride with family and friends and some ride alone. But on September 11th, we ride as one!! We ride to pay tribute and offer respect to those that lost their lives on that day 12 years ago, and to salute our troops engaged in the War on Terror. Riders!...we are the best of the best in America!! Our love for these people and this country is staggering, and we will make a display of Patriotism and solidarity America won't soon forget!!
Riders!...we lift you up to the Lord and pray that His hand and divine protection will ride with you all."
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jafar00
09-08-2013, 04:05 AM
I hope your day of riding goes off peacefully and without too many hitches tomorrow.
Glorious, 'we'll ask for permission, and if they say no we'll just do it anyway' xD
Kathianne
09-08-2013, 04:53 AM
Glorious, 'we'll ask for permission, and if they say no we'll just do it anyway' xD Not exactly. They had applied for permit to ride a particular route, without stopping for traffic lights, etc., sort of like a funeral procession does. It was turned down. So, they will still ride, but follow all traffic laws, etc. As stated, if they did have 2m riders, the no stop would have taken them through and out of the city in 2 hours, the denial though means the bikes and noise will be in the city most of the day. Choices.
Not exactly. They had applied for permit to ride a particular route, without stopping for traffic lights, etc., sort of like a funeral procession does. It was turned down. So, they will still ride, but follow all traffic laws, etc. As stated, if they did have 2m riders, the no stop would have taken them through and out of the city in 2 hours, the denial though means the bikes and noise will be in the city most of the day. Choices.
"If they did have 2m riders"
It'll be interesting to see how many their actual are. Considering they have something like 49 thousand Facebook 'likes'....
Also this makes the OP look kinda silly, because the bikers are not being denied a constitutional right as the poster etc implies
"If they did have 2m riders"
It'll be interesting to see how many their actual are. Considering they have something like 49 thousand Facebook 'likes'....
Also this makes the OP look kinda silly, because the bikers are not being denied a constitutional right as the poster etc implies
All these problems you have with the bikers but the Muslims marching are fine with you , got it , I understand your liberal mentality :rolleyes:
Noir if you had a clue you would understand that permits are the right way to do things , Bikers get them for all kinds of different events so that the bikers and the public are safe, think about it lets says only 10,000 bikers show up or hell say 5,000 do you realize the traffic nightmare that it will make? When the bikers get together to do a toy run for kids in need they always get a permit, do you not think the Muslims got a permit ? Noir I have personally seen where there was no police escort and I refuse to ride those rides, the last one I went on two bikes where hit by cars because the auto drivers got tired of waiting for the bikes to cross so they just pulled out ( and yes both rider's died and they where on a toy run for a orphanage that without the toys the bikers donated the kids wouldn't of received anything ) But the hell with them right , lets not worry about the 10 million Muslims that are suppose to be marching , that's right there doing something most normal people feel is wrong so you as a Liberal must approve of them
Not exactly. They had applied for permit to ride a particular route, without stopping for traffic lights, etc., sort of like a funeral procession does. It was turned down. So, they will still ride, but follow all traffic laws, etc. As stated, if they did have 2m riders, the no stop would have taken them through and out of the city in 2 hours, the denial though means the bikes and noise will be in the city most of the day. Choices.
Kat bikers do this with groups as little as 50 , they usually have a police escort so no one gets hurt, wheher it is 2 million or 40, 000 do ya realize the traffic it will make plus the wrecks that will happen ( without police escorting and blocking off intersections and other dangerous area's there will be wrecks and people getting hurt)
Kathianne
09-08-2013, 06:09 AM
Kat bikers do this with groups as little as 50 , they usually have a police escort so no one gets hurt, wheher it is 2 million or 40, 000 do ya realize the traffic it will make plus the wrecks that will happen ( without police escorting and blocking off intersections and other dangerous area's there will be wrecks and people getting hurt)
I see the sense in it, I don't know why DC would turn down the permit. Not only for safety, but also regarding noise. It would seem in the city's interest to have the group go through as orderly and quickly as possible.
I hope your day of riding goes off peacefully and without too many hitches tomorrow.
I hope so to jafar and I am sure it will, I wont be going though , to make the trip all the way to DC to sit in a traffic Jam and take a chance of being run over just isn't worth it to me, but I pray that those that do make it have a safe trip without any incident. This is the reason for no permits many won't go ( heck there may not of been many going anyway) but the government knows without the permits they just made sure someone will get killed up there .
All these problems you have with the bikers but the Muslims marching are fine with you , got it , I understand your liberal mentality :rolleyes:
I find it more funny than any sort of 'problem'
Noir if you had a clue you would understand that permits are the right way to do things , Bikers get them for all kinds of different events so that the bikers and the public are safe, think about it lets says only 10,000 bikers show up or hell say 5,000 do you realize the traffic nightmare that it will make? When the bikers get together to do a toy run for kids in need they always get a permit, do you not think the Muslims got a permit ? Noir I have personally seen where there was no police escort and I refuse to ride those rides, the last one I went on two bikes where hit by cars because the auto drivers got tired of waiting for the bikes to cross so they just pulled out ( and yes both rider's died and they where on a toy run for a orphanage that without the toys the bikers donated the kids wouldn't of received anything ) But the hell with them right , lets not worry about the 10 million Muslims that are suppose to be marching , that's right there doing something most normal people feel is wrong so you as a Liberal must approve of them
Well if the bikers do ride they do so at their own risk, not pleasant but that's the reality.
And its meant to be one million muslims, and two million bikers, neither of which will be anywhere near those which is hilarious xD
I find it more funny than any sort of 'problem'
Well if the bikers do ride they do so at their own risk, not pleasant but that's the reality.
And its meant to be one million muslims, and two million bikers, neither of which will be anywhere near those which is hilarious xD
You are exactly right about the One Million Muslims and when the Bikers said they would meet or double it was changed to 10 million , and by the way I never seen you post how Hilarious you thought it was until the bikers got involved , jeez I wonder why :rolleyes:
You post how wrong it is for some idiot to refuse to do what the cops tell him to but when people try to do things by the law and are turned down just so the Gov. can protect another group of people you are OK with that , Got ya , understand 100%
You are exactly right about the One Million Muslims and when the Bikers said they would meet or double it was changed to 10 million , and by the way I never seen you post how Hilarious you thought it was until the bikers got involved , jeez I wonder why :rolleyes:
You post how wrong it is for some idiot to refuse to do what the cops tell him to but when people try to do things by the law and are turned down just so the Gov. can protect another group of people you are OK with that , Got ya , understand 100%
That's even better, ohmalawd xD Grown adults have to think up and say this stuff, dying here.
That's even better, ohmalawd xD Grown adults have to think up and say this stuff, dying here.
You certainly crack me up Noir, hell life is easy for you, anything that is natural go the opposite way , be a crusader ( if ya could call it that ) liberals believe in all that is different, anything considered normal is wrong, as I said you post about some idiot refusing to open his window so police could do a Lisc. check and declare how wrong the police are but when a group tries to do things the way the law requires and are shot down for no good reason (ooo and they aren't liberals ) that is OK with you , the liberal way I know :rolleyes:
You certainly crack me up Noir, hell life is easy for you, anything that is natural go the opposite way , be a crusader ( if ya could call it that ) liberals believe in all that is different, anything considered normal is wrong, as I said you post about some idiot refusing to open his window so police could do a Lisc. check and declare how wrong the police are but when a group tries to do things the way the law requires and are shot down for no good reason (ooo and they aren't liberals ) that is OK with you , the liberal way I know :rolleyes:
No constitutional rights are being violated. Bikers free to bike, all is good.
Thinking about planing a 20 million man athiest-vegan-nonbiker march in my town next month.
Sure maybe two people will actually turn up, but if i *call* it a twenty million man march that makes it more impressive, right?
jimnyc
09-08-2013, 07:32 AM
No constitutional rights are being violated. Bikers free to bike, all is good.
Thinking about planing a 20 million man athiest-vegan-nonbiker march in my town next month.
Sure maybe two people will actually turn up, but if i *call* it a twenty million man march that makes it more impressive, right?
The constitutional part of the OP is written within the article and wasn't Jeff's words. I'll have to call him and show him how to separate his own thoughts and that of the article he is posting.
Anyway, these * million man/woman/person marches have been around for quite some time, and they rarely come close to what the numbers called for are. I also don't see where Jeff is promoting the size, so unsure why you are harping on that aspect.
Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
09-08-2013, 08:35 AM
Glorious, 'we'll ask for permission, and if they say no we'll just do it anyway' xD Since when is it wrong, unlawful or bad to gather a group together to ride to or thru a city? Breaking no law if I gather my family to do it in cars, motorcycles or trucks so why the sarcastic comment about "just do it anyway"? The fact that the D.C. authorities turned down the permit speaks volumes but you likely haven't a clue about that.. As I stated here in a previous post, let some fighting start between muslims and bikers and watch the bikers only get arrested or shot if it comes to gun play. And that's because their muslim buddy in the White house ordered it to be so. Which yet again shows not only his true colors but his treason also. -Tyr
jimnyc
09-08-2013, 08:42 AM
Since when is it wrong, unlawful or bad to gather a group together to ride to or thru a city? Breaking no law if I gather my family to do it in cars, motorcycles or trucks so why the sarcastic comment about "just do it anyway"? The fact that the D.C. authorities turned down the permit speaks volumes but you likely haven't a clue about that.. As I stated here in a previous post, let some fighting start between muslims and bikers and watch the bikers only get arrested or shot if it comes to gun play. And that's because their muslim buddy in the White house ordered it to be so. Which yet again shows not only his true colors but his treason also. -Tyr
I wonder if gay groups, black groups, liberals or other "sensitive" groups were to apply for certain permits, and were denied - they would be screaming discrimination and racism from the top of their lungs!
jafar00
09-08-2013, 04:09 PM
You are exactly right about the One Million Muslims and when the Bikers said they would meet or double it was changed to 10 million , and by the way I never seen you post how Hilarious you thought it was until the bikers got involved , jeez I wonder why :rolleyes:
You post how wrong it is for some idiot to refuse to do what the cops tell him to but when people try to do things by the law and are turned down just so the Gov. can protect another group of people you are OK with that , Got ya , understand 100%
There are only 2.6m Muslims in the USA according to the 2010 census. New York City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City) had the largest number of Muslims with 69,985. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States#By_city) If Washington DC has less than 69,000 Muslims, the hotels are going to be fully booked to accommodate the other 930k odd on 9/11 aren't they?
I think the maths is off a bit.
aboutime
09-08-2013, 04:18 PM
Imagine, if you will. The D.C. police attempting to stop EVERY Biker who rides through the city.
Then, imagine. How long it would take to stop each bike, impound each bike, arrest each biker, write a ticket, or wait for a paddy wagon to take the collection of bikers to the local lockup to await a judge???
Sounds like it could be a FUN DAY in Washington DC on Wednesday.
And...how many police officers WERE assigned to watch over the Million Muslim's?????
tailfins
09-08-2013, 04:23 PM
Imagine, if you will. The D.C. police attempting to stop EVERY Biker who rides through the city.
Then, imagine. How long it would take to stop each bike, impound each bike, arrest each biker, write a ticket, or wait for a paddy wagon to take the collection of bikers to the local lockup to await a judge???
Sounds like it could be a FUN DAY in Washington DC on Wednesday.
And...how many police officers WERE assigned to watch over the Million Muslim's?????
Don't forget to ask the same question about the Occupiers! The tied up downtown Boston for weeks.
aboutime
09-08-2013, 04:25 PM
Don't forget to ask the same question about the Occupiers! The tied up downtown Boston for weeks.
TIT FOR TAT sounds good to me. The occupiers were idiots. The Bikers are proud of their country, and our military.
How many of the crusty, raping occupiers brag about that?
Trinity
09-08-2013, 04:53 PM
Nothing against Noir...but he's from what? the UK?....so his opinion on this means what? why?! whether it is 200 hundred bikes or 2 million..... personally you don't want to issue a permit.... ok that's cool..... but you will feel the presence, the easy way or the hard way... js
Nothing against Noir...but he's from what? the UK?....so his opinion on this means what? why?! whether it is 200 hundred bikes or 2 million..... personally you don't want to issue a permit.... ok that's cool..... but you will feel the presence, the easy way or the hard way... js
Whoops, forgot that opinions are only relevant if you're american....
Also idc about the permits being issued or not, its just funny that the bikers are trying to outdo the muslims who in turn are trying to outdo the bikers and lawd xD
Trinity
09-08-2013, 05:08 PM
Whoops, forgot that opinions are only relevant if you're american....
Also idc about the permits being issued or not, its just funny that the bikers are trying to outdo the muslims who in turn are trying to outdo the bikers and lawd xD
Like I said nothing against you personally....but if you really want to impress me.... get your ass over here.... hop on a bike and ride...:thumb:
oh and pics please....
There are only 2.6m Muslims in the USA according to the 2010 census. New York City (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City) had the largest number of Muslims with 69,985. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States#By_city) If Washington DC has less than 69,000 Muslims, the hotels are going to be fully booked to accommodate the other 930k odd on 9/11 aren't they?
I think the maths is off a bit.
Yes jafar you are correct, I spoke before checking , I looked it up and yall are exactly right and I was stupid enough to see a post on FB and believe it, OOO well I was wrong but that doesn't change what is going on, I also remember you and I arguing about numbers and I thought back then it was higher than 2 mill ( My mistake ) but seriously 2 mill or 10 mill a couple thousand bikers and yall lose and this article is proof of that , why else would DC not give a permit so everything could be safe for all up there , because they are hoping most bikers will stay home
Like I said nothing against you personally....but if you really want to impress me.... get your ass over here.... hop on a bike and ride...:thumb:
oh and pics please....
Trinity one must be able to hold the bike up to ride
But if Noir wanted to come over and ride I would be happy to ride with him
Nukeman
09-09-2013, 08:11 AM
I find it more funny than any sort of 'problem'
Well if the bikers do ride they do so at their own risk, not pleasant but that's the reality.
And its meant to be one million muslims, and two million bikers, neither of which will be anywhere near those which is hilarious xDThe point Noir is that they attempted to get a permit to ease traffic and make everything EASY on the inhabitants of our capitol. To give you some perspective, the last ride I participated in had about 3000 bikes and we did a "no stop" for 25 miles. It took us 30 minutes to do the ride from start to finish and the last rider left about the time the first completed the route. so the cross traffic was disrupted for 30 minutes or so. Now if a Ambulance or emergency crew had come through they would have stopped and allowed the crossing. With that number of bikes stopping at EACH and EVERY light and intersection it would have tied up traffic for at least 3-4 hours and that is just 3000 bikes. Imagine what it will be like if there are "only" 45,000 the city will be clogged and tempers will flair and there will be accidents. This could all have been eliminated/avoided IF the city had issued a permit like they do in EVERY other demonstration or march.
Why do you think they denied the permit???? Will it help or hinder the demonstration? Who looks bad by them NOT issuing a permit, the bikers or the city?? Do you think the city govt will list that they REFUSED to issue a permit or will the media portray it as a bunch of "dirty bikers" trying to start trouble? I'm betting on the latter......
Nukeman
09-09-2013, 08:13 AM
Trinity one must be able to hold the bike up to ride
But if Noir wanted to come over and ride I would be happy to ride with him
Ohh NO Jeff.. 2 wheel 2 nuts!!!!!!!!!! Unless it's your child!!! LOL.. Give him a wig and maybe!!:laugh::beer:
Drummond
09-09-2013, 02:20 PM
Nothing against Noir...but he's from what? the UK?....so his opinion on this means what? why?! whether it is 200 hundred bikes or 2 million..... personally you don't want to issue a permit.... ok that's cool..... but you will feel the presence, the easy way or the hard way... js
Just wanted to say that I have some sympathy with that point of view ... and I speak as another Brit (Noir's from Northern Ireland, I'm living in Wales, but an ex-Londoner, for what that's worth).
I don't personally see it as my 'right' to stand in judgment over the way America conducts its business, other than to comment on issues of treason, or anything which in my view is harmful to America's interests. It's quite easy for either Noir or myself to identify with values and standards which we may consider 'normal' from our British point of view, then try to graft those standards on to a degree of judgmentality in expressing a view here. But I say this is wrong. I've no interest in exporting 'Britishness' elsewhere and insisting I'm right to do so.
I say that I want the bikers to be free to ride where they choose, how they choose ... because if they're not free to, this is surely a violation of freedoms which your AMERICAN system should enshrine as their right. More, that in counter-protesting against a Muslim march, they're protesting against Muslims whose intention must be to offend America in the worst conceivable way they can.
I've the utmost sympathy for anyone who'll be hurt, angry, offended because of what those Muslims will be doing. The march is a travesty.
Abbey Marie
09-09-2013, 02:32 PM
Whoops, forgot that opinions are only relevant if you're american....
Also idc about the permits being issued or not, its just funny that the bikers are trying to outdo the muslims who in turn are trying to outdo the bikers and lawd xD
It may seem funny to a young liberal guy from across an ocean, but to many people here, Muslims marching puts us at the beginning of a sea change in this country. (Especially when they planned to march on September 11th). One that's been seen in a Europe that has already catered to Muslim demands. Whether or not you agree, I don't see anything funny about it.
fj1200
09-09-2013, 02:35 PM
But I say this is wrong. I've no interest in exporting 'Britishness' elsewhere and insisting I'm right to do so.
I say that I want the bikers to be free to ride where they choose, how they choose ... because if they're not free to, this is surely a violation of freedoms which your AMERICAN system should enshrine as their right. More, that in counter-protesting against a Muslim march, they're protesting against Muslims whose intention must be to offend America in the worst conceivable way they can.
You are aware that no one's rights are being violated and the bikers are free to ride where they like aren't you?
Drummond
09-09-2013, 04:39 PM
It may seem funny to a young liberal guy from across an ocean, but to many people here, Muslims marching puts us at the beginning of a sea change in this country. (Especially when they planned to march on September 11th). One that's been seen in a Europe that has already catered to Muslim demands. Whether or not you agree, I don't see anything funny about it.:clap::clap:
I for one agree, Abbey ! Nothing remotely funny at all about this.
That my part of the world tolerates and defers to so much of this is absolutely no reason at all why you should ! Besides, choosing 11th September is beyond forgiveness, as I see it. The intention HAS to be to deliver the most extreme of contention.
By the way ... though this has nothing to do with Washington, of course, let me post this ...
http://news.sky.com/story/1138990/edl-leader-tommy-robinson-charged-over-march
English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson has been charged over a march that was banned from passing through one of Britain's biggest Muslim communities.
Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, is charged with not adhering to the conditions of the march and inciting others to do the same.
He has been bailed and will appear in a magistrates court on October 22.
The far-right organisation had wanted to hold the rally in an area in Tower Hamlets, east London, which it says is "subject to Sharia law".
The Met Police allowed the protest to go ahead on Saturday, but under strict conditions which meant any march would be held at the outskirts of the borough and close to Tower Bridge.
What we have here is an example of where a Muslim community was favoured over those who dared to want to march through the area of London where they are located. Robinson and his group were expected to keep clear of that location, because to be present within that London borough would've been provocative ... to the Muslims living there.
Since they opted not to do that, it became a police matter, with arrests being made.
red state
09-09-2013, 05:00 PM
In that case, Drummond, MANY more Brits should have marched and either filled the jails or made big enough statement to the liberals in the UK and the muSLUMS that they aren't gonna take it any longer. That is what the bikers are doing and the liberals are making it (and will make it) as dangerous and uncomfortable as they can for those who dare to voice an opposing opinion.
:clap::clap:What we have here is an example of where a Muslim community was favoured over those who dared to want to march through the area of London where they are located. Robinson and his group were expected to keep clear of that location, because to be present within that London borough would've been provocative ... to the Muslims living there.
Since they opted not to do that, it became a police matter, with arrests being made.
You should come to Northern Ireland and see what happens when the Protestants and Catholics march down eachothers streets...
Drummond
09-09-2013, 08:47 PM
You should come to Northern Ireland and see what happens when the Protestants and Catholics march down each others streets...
Thanks for that, Noir. But in case you've forgotten, I get at least most of the news media that you would (.. not including local radio stations, of course). BBC, Sky News, ITV, Channel 4 .. basically, they'd be the same broadcasts, wouldn't they ?
But you're missing a basic point, surely. Neither Protestants nor Catholics have recently set up their own communities based on a faith system alien to the UK !! In the case of the London community Robinson and his followers wanted to march through, their protest concerned what they said was the dominance of Sharia Law in the area (presumably meaning that the large Muslim community there was busily obeying the diktats of Sharia Councils, rather than the law of the land !!!)
Tell me that either your Protestants or Catholics are busily trying to implement Sharia Law, and I'll withdraw my disagreement with your post. Otherwise, I suggest you're drawing a non-viable parallel.
Tyr-Ziu Saxnot
09-09-2013, 09:19 PM
Just wanted to say that I have some sympathy with that point of view ... and I speak as another Brit (Noir's from Northern Ireland, I'm living in Wales, but an ex-Londoner, for what that's worth).
I don't personally see it as my 'right' to stand in judgment over the way America conducts its business, other than to comment on issues of treason, or anything which in my view is harmful to America's interests. It's quite easy for either Noir or myself to identify with values and standards which we may consider 'normal' from our British point of view, then try to graft those standards on to a degree of judgmentality in expressing a view here. But I say this is wrong. I've no interest in exporting 'Britishness' elsewhere and insisting I'm right to do so.
I say that I want the bikers to be free to ride where they choose, how they choose ... because if they're not free to, this is surely a violation of freedoms which your AMERICAN system should enshrine as their right. More, that in counter-protesting against a Muslim march, they're protesting against Muslims whose intention must be to offend America in the worst conceivable way they can.
I've the utmost sympathy for anyone who'll be hurt, angry, offended because of what those Muslims will be doing. The march is a travesty. Great post... A true Spirit of love of freedom and justice very evident in that post. A damn shame that you haven't immigrated here yet.. :beer:--Tyr
jafar00
09-09-2013, 09:28 PM
Yes jafar you are correct, I spoke before checking , I looked it up and yall are exactly right and I was stupid enough to see a post on FB and believe it, OOO well I was wrong but that doesn't change what is going on, I also remember you and I arguing about numbers and I thought back then it was higher than 2 mill ( My mistake ) but seriously 2 mill or 10 mill a couple thousand bikers and yall lose and this article is proof of that , why else would DC not give a permit so everything could be safe for all up there , because they are hoping most bikers will stay home
I vote conspiracy theory. Someone in the council providing the permission is a biker and decided to deny the permit to generate controversy enough to make more bikers want to attend ;)
:clap::clap:
I for one agree, Abbey ! Nothing remotely funny at all about this.
That my part of the world tolerates and defers to so much of this is absolutely no reason at all why you should ! Besides, choosing 11th September is beyond forgiveness, as I see it. The intention HAS to be to deliver the most extreme of contention.
By the way ... though this has nothing to do with Washington, of course, let me post this ...
http://news.sky.com/story/1138990/edl-leader-tommy-robinson-charged-over-march
What we have here is an example of where a Muslim community was favoured over those who dared to want to march through the area of London where they are located. Robinson and his group were expected to keep clear of that location, because to be present within that London borough would've been provocative ... to the Muslims living there.
Since they opted not to do that, it became a police matter, with arrests being made.
Admit it. EDL aren't exactly peaceful marchers. Perhaps the police are fed up dealing with their crap. Also, the UK is decent enough to have laws against racial violence as far as I know. It is not in the best interests of the community to have a bunch of boozed up white supremacists marching up to a Mosque to incite violence.
I vote conspiracy theory. Someone in the council providing the permission is a biker and decided to deny the permit to generate controversy enough to make more bikers want to attend ;)
As you try to be cute you hit the nail almost right on the head, there is a conspiracy it is Obama loving his Muslim brothers ( he knows dam well if 45,000 or 2 million bikers show and the Muslims try that tough guy trash they will be seriously hurt) your trying to be cute just shows how fair you want things to be, as for you trying to be cute because I told the truth you ought to try it and people wouldn't think of you as a guy that IS THE ONLY REAL MUSLIM, truth is something you and your brothers just don't have I understand but that wont stop me from admitting when I am wrong and for not out and out lying and you know what I feel good about that, you ought to try the truth once in a while and you , naaa never mind it wont happen
Admit it. EDL aren't exactly peaceful marchers. Perhaps the police are fed up dealing with their crap. Also, the UK is decent enough to have laws against racial violence as far as I know. It is not in the best interests of the community to have a bunch of boozed up white supremacists marching up to a Mosque to incite violence.
Has there ever been a peaceful March from the religion of peace ? Yes I am sure there was as long as they are getting what they want, you know like once they rid the rest of the world with any other religion Allah has then told them to be peaceful . Think about it though how can any group of people that worship a child molester be peaceful :rolleyes:
Drummond
09-09-2013, 09:53 PM
Great post... A true Spirit of love of freedom and justice very evident in that post. A damn shame that you haven't immigrated here yet.. :beer:--Tyr:clap::clap::clap::beer:
All very appreciated, Tyr (& the 'Rep', too !). Thanks !!!
Drummond
09-09-2013, 10:06 PM
I vote conspiracy theory. Someone in the council providing the permission is a biker and decided to deny the permit to generate controversy enough to make more bikers want to attend ;)
Admit it. EDL aren't exactly peaceful marchers. Perhaps the police are fed up dealing with their crap. Also, the UK is decent enough to have laws against racial violence as far as I know. It is not in the best interests of the community to have a bunch of boozed up white supremacists marching up to a Mosque to incite violence.
Translation: favour the Muslims at all costs, to the detriment of even the native Brits !
I don't know that the EDL are always peaceful, no ... they have as much of a capacity for being provoked as anyone else, after all.
But why is it 'crap', Jafar ? Is it their 'crap' that they, ENGLISH people, want to march in their OWN country, in a suburb of their country's capital city ??
You realise what you must be saying if you disagree, surely .. because THAT, Jafar would put you dangerously close to favouring .. guess who ? ANJEM CHOUDARY, but of course, someone you've claimed in the past to oppose !
As to your charge that they're 'white supremacists' ... I might concede that one if you were talking about the BNP. But this is the EDL we're talking about, whose leader said he'd be happy for other races, regardless of colour, to live and prosper in the UK, if only they'd try and integrate !!
But that's the problem with Muslim communities, Jafar, they DO NOT integrate. Rather, they bend their environment to suit THEM, insisting people defer to them, then defer some more. And when that's done, well, a spot of DEFERENCE is called for ...
People such as the EDL have the temerity to object to all that. We see the result.
Drummond
09-09-2013, 10:24 PM
FOR JAFAR .... THE LEADER OF THE EDL BEING INTERVIEWED BY BILL O'REILLY ...
http://www.theconservative.co.nz/?q=node/316
This link carries video footage of O'Reilly's interview with Robinson. Jafar, watch and learn !!
Thanks for that, Noir. But in case you've forgotten, I get at least most of the news media that you would (.. not including local radio stations, of course). BBC, Sky News, ITV, Channel 4 .. basically, they'd be the same broadcasts, wouldn't they ?
I assure you that you don't see the daily and weekly riot updates on any of those channels. Maybe the odd mention during marching season of the worst riots granted.
They don't even bother to put every event on our local media.
But you're missing a basic point, surely. Neither Protestants nor Catholics have recently set up their own communities based on a faith system alien to the UK !! In the case of the London community Robinson and his followers wanted to march through, their protest concerned what they said was the dominance of Sharia Law in the area (presumably meaning that the large Muslim community there was busily obeying the diktats of Sharia Councils, rather than the law of the land !!!)
Tell me that either your Protestants or Catholics are busily trying to implement Sharia Law, and I'll withdraw my disagreement with your post. Otherwise, I suggest you're drawing a non-viable parallel.
Lololol, so the two situations are pretty much the same, but not exactly the same, and since they're not exactly the same, its a non-viable parallel, ace.
You are aware that these EDL people would be denied the right to march down catholic streets here, and if they tried they'd be bricked and bottled out of it, right?
jafar00
09-10-2013, 07:46 AM
Translation: favour the Muslims at all costs, to the detriment of even the native Brits !
I don't know that the EDL are always peaceful, no ... they have as much of a capacity for being provoked as anyone else, after all.
But why is it 'crap', Jafar ? Is it their 'crap' that they, ENGLISH people, want to march in their OWN country, in a suburb of their country's capital city ??
You realise what you must be saying if you disagree, surely .. because THAT, Jafar would put you dangerously close to favouring .. guess who ? ANJEM CHOUDARY, but of course, someone you've claimed in the past to oppose !
As to your charge that they're 'white supremacists' ... I might concede that one if you were talking about the BNP. But this is the EDL we're talking about, whose leader said he'd be happy for other races, regardless of colour, to live and prosper in the UK, if only they'd try and integrate !!
But that's the problem with Muslim communities, Jafar, they DO NOT integrate. Rather, they bend their environment to suit THEM, insisting people defer to them, then defer some more. And when that's done, well, a spot of DEFERENCE is called for ...
People such as the EDL have the temerity to object to all that. We see the result.
This is why they try to keep EDL and Muslims apart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB6cn7bdm4M
Now I understand for a couple this is a hard thing to understand, yes one Muslim the other a liberal atheist, but both are smart people so why they can't understand how unfair this is and what problems it will create in DC is beyond me, why give the Muslims a permit but not the Bikers ( which many of them are veterans, heck some just returned, I guess there service to this country was OK but hell no can they get a permit to ride safely through our Countries capitol ) if y'all have ever been to DC most would understand this permit wasn't just for the bikers safety it was to make it more convenient for everyone in DC that day .
Thousands of bikers, maybe even tens or thousands or hundreds of thousands, will be “rallying” in Washington, D.C., Wednesday even though city officials reportedly denied them a permit for a straight-through drive that would have allowed them to travel quickly on roads that would have been blocked to cross-traffic.
Now, the bikers will be stopping at every stop sign or stop light, yielding to pedestrians wherever appropriate, and otherwise observing all traffic regulations.
The Muslim organization announced earlier it got a permit for its event.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/d-c-throws-up-roadblock-for-patriotic-bikers/
aboutime
09-10-2013, 01:48 PM
Bottom line on the Bikers tomorrow. If they are all Americans.
Since Washington DC, is the Capital of the United States.
ALL Americans have the freedom to visit that city whenever, and however they want.
Anyone who denies Any American from enjoying their Constitutional Rights is..violating said rights.
Marcus Aurelius
09-10-2013, 02:40 PM
You should come to Northern Ireland and see what happens when the Protestants and Catholics march down eachothers streets...
This...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/plans-for-first-mixed-catholic-and-protestant-school-in-northern-ireland-approved-8602939.html
Northern Ireland's first shared education campus for Catholic and Protestant schoolchildren has been granted planning approval.
Up to six schools with 3,700 pupils are expected to be based at a former Army barracks in Omagh, Co Tyrone, Stormont's power-sharing government revealed today. The relic of the region's 30-year conflict is to be transformed into a 126-acre development to educate the next generation together.
Drummond
09-10-2013, 04:21 PM
I assure you that you don't see the daily and weekly riot updates on any of those channels. Maybe the odd mention during marching season of the worst riots granted.
They don't even bother to put every event on our local media.
That might be a point I should concede. Although ... then again, the BBC's digital system allows you to access their 'red button' regional news headlines in text form, as you'll know. And, again .. local news output is available from their website.
Lololol, so the two situations are pretty much the same, but not exactly the same, and since they're not exactly the same, its a non-viable parallel, ace.
How are they 'pretty much the same' ?
You are aware that these EDL people would be denied the right to march down catholic streets here, and if they tried they'd be bricked and bottled out of it, right?
I've no idea. Though, if that WERE to be at all true, to what extent would media hype have primed such an attack ... or, such a ban ?
Did you watch the Robinson interview from the O'Reilly Factor clip ? Did you miss Robinson's list of the diverse groups they include as members ?
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