Children removed from family for home schooling...

[Arbo]

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/police-storm-homeschool-class-take-children-by-force/

Not generally a source I put much trust in. But the part that get's me is that this Administration actually fought to send this family back to Germany. It seems their view is parents have no choice or say in a child's education. So how long until they undo all the homeschooling here and start doing the same to citizens here?

[aboutime]

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/police-storm-homeschool-class-take-children-by-force/

Not generally a source I put much trust in. But the part that get's me is that this Administration actually fought to send this family back to Germany. It seems their view is parents have no choice or say in a child's education. So how long until they undo all the homeschooling here and start doing the same to citizens here?


Arbo. Not a stretch of any imagination on that. We all need to remember how Obama, and the Dems are slowly chipping away at everything, all at once. Obamacare, Military, Taxes, Dependency on Handouts, Free stuff, No leadership, and it all points toward their efforts to create a Socialist brand of America so strong. Nobody will be able to go back if many more millions of Uneducated Americans keep getting that Free Carrot dangled before them...over having to Work, or being their own independent Success.

[Kathianne]

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/police-storm-homeschool-class-take-children-by-force/

Not generally a source I put much trust in. But the part that get's me is that this Administration actually fought to send this family back to Germany. It seems their view is parents have no choice or say in a child's education. So how long until they undo all the homeschooling here and start doing the same to citizens here?

I'm guessing this is related to this rather old case?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/12/german-home-schooling-family-fights-to-stay-in-us/


German home-schooling family fights to stay in US By Doug McKelway (http://www.foxnews.com/archive/author/doug-mckelway/index.html)
<time itemprop="datePublished" pubdate="" datetime="2013-04-12T17:01-04:00">Published April 12, 2013</time>FoxNews.com





While the White House and many lawmakers push to grant legal status to immigrants who crossed the border illegally, the Romeike family thought they followed the rules -- but now face deportation.




They are devout Catholics who emigrated from Germany in 2008 to home school their six children in Tennessee. As Uwe Romeike told Fox News, it is illegal to do that in Germany.


"We don't have the freedom to home school our children in Germany," Romeike told Fox News.


The U.S. granted the Romeikes political asylum, but in 2010 the Justice Department intervened, ruling that home-schooling could not be used as grounds to seek citizenship.


The department has ordered the Romeikes be deported. "Now it means same thing as in Germany," Uwe Romeike said with a chuckle.


The family is appealing the ruling. Their case set for April 23 before the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati.


The Home School Legal Defense Association will represent them. It sees their denial of asylum as a fundamental threat to freedom. "In this particular case there is an equivalency between human rights standards and our constitutional rights. If our government takes the position that home-schooling is not a human right for the Romeike case to give them the basis of asylum, then it may not be a constitutional right for them as well," said Michael Farris of the HSLDA.


Immigration experts differ as to whether the Romeike's situation meets the criteria for asylum here.

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I believe in homeschooling if the parents are capable of doing so. I believe in Catholic education too. I don't think 'not having the right to homeschool in another country is grounds for asylum though.

[Kathianne]

Sorry, this is different, actually in Germany. We can't change Germany's laws.

[aboutime]

Sorry, this is different, actually in Germany. We can't change Germany's laws.


Kathianne. We know it took place in Germany, and there's no way we can do anything about what happens over there. But, it might be wise to just simply consider...if Democrats, and Obama are so determined to prevent Home Schooling, and Charter Schools here. Wouldn't it be a wonderful idea for someone from the administration...Like the Secretary of Education to attempt to disrupt, and change such things from being so competitive with the NEA, and National Education System?

You should see how that could affect all of us who have children. Or, would you support such a thing?

[Kathianne]

Kathianne. We know it took place in Germany, and there's no way we can do anything about what happens over there. But, it might be wise to just simply consider...if Democrats, and Obama are so determined to prevent Home Schooling, and Charter Schools here. Wouldn't it be a wonderful idea for someone from the administration...Like the Secretary of Education to attempt to disrupt, and change such things from being so competitive with the NEA, and National Education System?

You should see how that could affect all of us who have children. Or, would you support such a thing?

They've done what they can, though Obama has yet to take on parochial or home schools. When he does, we'll see what happens.

In the meantime, we aren't in any position to tell other countries what to do regarding education or smoking laws or recycling. Other countries intolerance of any of the above, are not the stuff of which asylum cases should be made. Otherwise, one can see a new flood of immigrants that might not actually have homeschooling or recycling in mind.

[Gaffer]

They could very easily have had their visas extended. But hey, they're white Germans, and catholic. Gotta ship them outta here.

[Larrymc]

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/police-storm-homeschool-class-take-children-by-force/

Not generally a source I put much trust in. But the part that get's me is that this Administration actually fought to send this family back to Germany. It seems their view is parents have no choice or say in a child's education. So how long until they undo all the homeschooling here and start doing the same to citizens here?If Obama has his way it will be in short order, especially if they are not teaching homosexual, and Islamist acceptance, and if they ARE teaching Patriotism, Biblical and or Conservative values.

[Arbo]

They've done what they can, though Obama has yet to take on parochial or home schools.

By intervening in the case, the administration took a stand. They sent them back to Germany. The same administration that want's to grant those here illegally a pass on breaking that law, sent back those who were here legally because he didn't like their reason for coming here.

A bit odd, don't you think?

[Larrymc]

By intervening in the case, the administration took a stand. They sent them back to Germany. The same administration that want's to grant those here illegally a pass on breaking that law, sent back those who were here legally because he didn't like their reason for coming here.

A bit odd, don't you think?They did not fit Obama's agenda, of keeping the democratic votes on welfare and uneducated.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

By intervening in the case, the administration took a stand. They sent them back to Germany. The same administration that want's to grant those here illegally a pass on breaking that law, sent back those who were here legally because he didn't like their reason for coming here.

A bit odd, don't you think? Actually not odd at all when one knows what Obama truly is= Enemy of this nation as it was founded. -Tyr

[logroller]

By intervening in the case, the administration took a stand. They sent them back to Germany. The same administration that want's to grant those here illegally a pass on breaking that law, sent back those who were here legally because he didn't like their reason for coming here.

A bit odd, don't you think?

Odd, because they weren't here legally, hence, being deported. There's a few cases that I found, the Wunderlichs and Romelichs (sp?). I believe they both came here illegally, i.e. without proper documentation, then sought asylum; it was initially granted but then found to be unjust grounds for asylum. Subsequent challenges and appeals have ruled that, based upon the nondiscriminatory application of the German law, its not a valid reason because it applies to all, so its not discriminatory against any one group, religious or otherwise, save those who don't want to send their kids to school.

I think the German law is crap, but its not a human rights violation.

So far as Obama's record on deportations, iirc, the numbers are pretty high in spite of his stance on the DREAM Act.
http://www.ice.gov/images/removal-statistics/removals-highest-priority.png

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/police-storm-homeschool-class-take-children-by-force/

Not generally a source I put much trust in. But the part that get's me is that this Administration actually fought to send this family back to Germany. It seems their view is parents have no choice or say in a child's education. So how long until they undo all the homeschooling here and start doing the same to citizens here?

not very likely. Homeschooling here is regulated by the states anyway, and as long as the state approves the curriculum, it's a non-issue.

[Marcus Aurelius]

regarding the 2008 case... That was in the beginning of 2008... BEFORE Obama was elected in November 2008. Really can't pin that one on the current administration. Fair is fair.

[Kathianne]

They could very easily have had their visas extended. But hey, they're white Germans, and catholic. Gotta ship them outta here.

To the best of my understanding, they are still here. A homeschooling group helped with a lawyer, the appeal is heading to SCOTUS. Should it be, really? If they win, this becomes a reason to enter and not leave. Not just from Germany, world wide. New way to get around the pesky immigration laws.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

To the best of my understanding, they are still here. A homeschooling group helped with a lawyer, the appeal is heading to SCOTUS. Should it be, really? If they win, this becomes a reason to enter and not leave. Not just from Germany, world wide. New way to get around the pesky immigration laws. Yet its government policy to allow illegal Mexicans to stay and to give them citizen benefits too.. Just highlights the hypocrisy, bias and injustice so rampant in our government. Also highlights the Obama administration's poor record on law enforcement. By law Obama has no legal authority to pick which laws he will enforce and which he will ignore or even actively counter! He has actively countered our standing immigration laws and even sued states that tried to enforce them .. That is actively countering a Federal law by obama. Should we continue to ignore and pretend that he commits no crime by doing so ,simply because Congress does?--Tyr

[Kathianne]

Yet its government policy to allow illegal Mexicans to stay and to give them citizen benefits too.. Just highlights the hypocrisy, bias and injustice so rampant in our government. Also highlights the Obama administration's poor record on law enforcement. By law Obama has no legal authority to pick which laws he will enforce and which he will ignore or even actively counter! He has actively countered our standing immigration laws and even sued states that tried to enforce them .. That is actively countering a Federal law by obama. Should we continue to ignore and pretend that he commits no crime by doing so ,simply because Congress does?--Tyr


You are giving too many issues to comment upon. How you arrive at the problems with Germans homeschooling and trying to seek asylum in Us to Obama and 'crimes' I'm a bit at a loss.

[Kathianne]

They could very easily have had their visas extended. But hey, they're white Germans, and catholic. Gotta ship them outta here.

Ya know, probably would have worked, they chose to make an issue of it.