Mcdonald's Employees strike for $15/hr and Unions

[Fusco]

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/8/29/fast-food-workersstrikein60citiesdemanding15anhour.html



Thousands of fast-food workers kicked off a day of coordinated strikes in more than 60 cities nationwide on Thursday, walking off their jobs and forming picket lines to demand salaries of $15 an hour and the ability to form unions.

More than 4 million people work at fast food restaurants in the U.S., earning an average annual wage of $18,130 in 2010, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

But in New York City, for example, fast-food workers earning the minimum wage of $7.25 an hour struggle to pay their bills in a city where the average apartment rents for $3,017.19 a month, according to real estate research firm Reis.

Fast-food restaurant employees started picketing at 6:30 a.m. Thursday in front of a McDonald’s on 5th Avenue in midtown Manhattan, brandishing signs and chanting for better pay and benefits.


Bwahahahahahahaha!

Ill tell them what, pretty lucky they just don't get replaced. I know NY is full of people willing to work for less than $15/hr. And its not like one needs a BA to operate a fry machine (yet).

[Gaffer]

If I was managing those stores I would be calling all the latest applicants and putting up a now hiring sign. None of these turkeys would have a job tomorrow.

[Larrymc]

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/8/29/fast-food-workersstrikein60citiesdemanding15anhour.html




Bwahahahahahahaha!

Ill tell them what, pretty lucky they just don't get replaced. I know NY is full of people willing to work for less than $15/hr. And its not like one needs a BA to operate a fry machine (yet).Obama supporters no doubt, to stupid to realize that, they like every body else will be paying thirty bucks for a Big Mac, and the fools even want a Union that will take what ever they might gain.

[aboutime]

Hope they enjoy being Permanently Unemployed. If they thought they didn't earn enough yesterday. HOW MUCH will they enjoy NOTHING tomorrow?

I feel sorry for the Owner/Operators. They are the ones losing the most.

Somebody will just have to go elsewhere, other than MICKY-D's, and then...they can take their UNION, and the Minimum wage and stick it where the FRENCH FRIES never see daylight again.

[Larrymc]

Hope they enjoy being Permanently Unemployed. If they thought they didn't earn enough yesterday. HOW MUCH will they enjoy NOTHING tomorrow?

I feel sorry for the Owner/Operators. They are the ones losing the most.

Somebody will just have to go elsewhere, other than MICKY-D's, and then...they can take their UNION, and the Minimum wage and stick it where the FRENCH FRIES never see daylight again.They'll be fine Obama has extended unemployment, food stamps and free phones to name a few of the benefits of being a blissfully ignorant Obama supporter.

[aboutime]

They'll be fine Obama has extended unemployment, food stamps and free phones to name a few of the benefits of being a blissfully ignorant Obama supporter.


Yeah. I know. I was trying not to remind myself about that stuff. As for the Blissfully Ignorant. Anyone...and I do mean ANYONE who ever thought working at a Fast Food Joint was a Career in Live...other than as a manager/owner. They deserve whatever they WON'T GET now, if they think a Union is gonna help them survive.

As for the Unemployment, and food stamps, and phones. ONE DAY...all of that HAS TO COME TO AN END. Then...what will they do? Look for a minimum wage job sweeping up popcorn at movie theaters?

[Larrymc]

Yeah. I know. I was trying not to remind myself about that stuff. As for the Blissfully Ignorant. Anyone...and I do mean ANYONE who ever thought working at a Fast Food Joint was a Career in Live...other than as a manager/owner. They deserve whatever they WON'T GET now, if they think a Union is gonna help them survive.

As for the Unemployment, and food stamps, and phones. ONE DAY...all of that HAS TO COME TO AN END. Then...what will they do? Look for a minimum wage job sweeping up popcorn at movie theaters?well we see the answer to that daily on this forum, generally in a black on white crime nugget that we somehow find.:laugh:

[PostmodernProphet]

one Big Mac, hold the lettuce and unions....

[Truth Detector]

In hearing and reading about this story I was curious how part time employees without a labor contract can strike? :lame2:

[DragonStryk72]

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/8/29/fast-food-workersstrikein60citiesdemanding15anhour.html




Bwahahahahahahaha!

Ill tell them what, pretty lucky they just don't get replaced. I know NY is full of people willing to work for less than $15/hr. And its not like one needs a BA to operate a fry machine (yet).

For what?! Look, I've worked at a McDonald's in the last few years, and here's my a basic rundown of my day: Clock in, go to my station on the grill, check how many patties I've got and replace as needed cause the guy on before me didn't do the restock. When orders come in, put patties on grill eight at a time, and push button. When timer goes off, put patties in warmed bin, place in warmer.

Rinse and repeat for 5-9 hours. Clean down, go home.

This is not $15/hr work, it just isn't. Crap, unloading trucks was more taxing than McDonald's, and that doesn't pay $15/hr either, even with shift differential. These are menial jobs, they're not what you build a family on. If you want that kind of work, either move up to management, and work toward your own franchise, or look for jobs that do pay that kind of money. They are out there, I promise you.

This unrealistic expectation that every single menial job should pay whatever you want is just asanine, and hurts business. Do these people really they're all still going to be working for McDonald's if they win? Think about it, what's McDonald's going to do? They're to lay off, fire, and/or cut hours to keep the payroll as close to the same as they can get away with. That's pretty much every business on the planet these days, so why do they think this will be any different here?

Even if it did go through, guess what? McDonald's will go under from it, because they wouldn't be anywhere near to competitive in price to the customers anymore. Managers make a buck or two more an hour than the crew, so they get the bump as well, and on up the chain to the CEO. Meanwhile, BK and Wendy's remain unchanged, so their prices don't rise, and that's the ballgame for McDonald's, Ronald McDonald House (So thanks, you've managed to injured sick children as well), and all their other charities, but hey, you got yours, right? So fuck everyone else.

I mean, I get it, you want to be paid more for what is dirty work, but a six dollar an hour raise?! No god damned way. Maybe if you'd been reasonable, asking for more hours or a small raise in the base pay, but this? You just look like greedy assholes.

[Arbo]

I think this is another symptom of the 'entitlement' mentality. They think they are entitled to earn whatever they think is needed, no matter how unskilled the work.

I'm so damn sick of it.

Of course, they do not understand economics at all, and that a raising of the base line makes everything more expensive, so they end up exactly where they started in the end. Still piss poor working a crap job. I would so love to see a return to personal responsibility, where if people need a better paying job, they do what is needed to get there, be it hard work or more education, or whatever. Not only would a raise in the base line have no real effect in the long run in terms of how much extra cash they have, or how well they get by, it pushes out all those young kids looking for a summer job, or just getting started in the work force.

We have seen the same thing every time they have raised the minimum wage, they are all happy at first, then prices go up to match, as they HAVE TO, and they are no better off.

[aboutime]

I think this is another symptom of the 'entitlement' mentality. They think they are entitled to earn whatever they think is needed, no matter how unskilled the work.

I'm so damn sick of it.

Of course, they do not understand economics at all, and that a raising of the base line makes everything more expensive, so they end up exactly where they started in the end. Still piss poor working a crap job. I would so love to see a return to personal responsibility, where if people need a better paying job, they do what is needed to get there, be it hard work or more education, or whatever. Not only would a raise in the base line have no real effect in the long run in terms of how much extra cash they have, or how well they get by, it pushes out all those young kids looking for a summer job, or just getting started in the work force.

We have seen the same thing every time they have raised the minimum wage, they are all happy at first, then prices go up to match, as they HAVE TO, and they are no better off.



Arbo. Simple answer. If any of them understood Economics at all. They'd be smart enough NOT to settle for working at a fast food palace with others who have no idea what economics is.

[Arbo]

Arbo. Simple answer. If any of them understood Economics at all. They'd be smart enough NOT to settle for working at a fast food palace with others who have no idea what economics is.

Agreed.

[Fusco]

We'll ahh, we'll just slip that between Home Economics and Study Experience class (the one where you learn how to 'study' in high school).

[logroller]

For what?! Look, I've worked at a McDonald's in the last few years, and here's my a basic rundown of my day: Clock in, go to my station on the grill, check how many patties I've got and replace as needed cause the guy on before me didn't do the restock. When orders come in, put patties on grill eight at a time, and push button. When timer goes off, put patties in warmed bin, place in warmer.

Rinse and repeat for 5-9 hours. Clean down, go home.

This is not $15/hr work, it just isn't. Crap, unloading trucks was more taxing than McDonald's, and that doesn't pay $15/hr either, even with shift differential. These are menial jobs, they're not what you build a family on. If you want that kind of work, either move up to management, and work toward your own franchise, or look for jobs that do pay that kind of money. They are out there, I promise you.

This unrealistic expectation that every single menial job should pay whatever you want is just asanine, and hurts business. Do these people really they're all still going to be working for McDonald's if they win? Think about it, what's McDonald's going to do? They're to lay off, fire, and/or cut hours to keep the payroll as close to the same as they can get away with. That's pretty much every business on the planet these days, so why do they think this will be any different here?

Even if it did go through, guess what? McDonald's will go under from it, because they wouldn't be anywhere near to competitive in price to the customers anymore. Managers make a buck or two more an hour than the crew, so they get the bump as well, and on up the chain to the CEO. Meanwhile, BK and Wendy's remain unchanged, so their prices don't rise, and that's the ballgame for McDonald's, Ronald McDonald House (So thanks, you've managed to injured sick children as well), and all their other charities, but hey, you got yours, right? So fuck everyone else.

I mean, I get it, you want to be paid more for what is dirty work, but a six dollar an hour raise?! No god damned way. Maybe if you'd been reasonable, asking for more hours or a small raise in the base pay, but this? You just look like greedy assholes.
Just wanted to reiterate that those jobs require no skill-- they train you on ever aspect of your job. This is great for a job market because it teaches skills-- like, i don't know, showing up for work on time and accomplishing menial tasks, which are valued skills, and when people make a career out of it that ties up that job for the next unskilled job market entrant and robs him/her the same opportunity.

It would be interesting if McDonald's did give them the option of taking a raise but, as a condition they must contractually agree that it is a career path position that expires in a year (or two) and you must either move up or move out to make room for the next batch of job entrants. Seems fair, no?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Obama supporters no doubt, to stupid to realize that, they like every body else will be paying thirty bucks for a Big Mac, and the fools even want a Union that will take what ever they might gain.
Who doesn't know that this union push is clearly a promotion of the Obama machine. Obama would love to see the workers unite and there be one big union for all. That's how socialism works and communism illustrates how it governs. Communists have only murdered tens of millions and that's documented with no denying it. Consider as well if this thing grows and becomes a nationwide issue how it will further divide the nation--which is another goal of the great Divider. Don't think he and his people aren't behind this, a very ripe play for the coming 2014 elections.. One in which his party--the ffing Dems can promise the moon to get votes. Create a wedge issue, promote it , be on the winning side of it ! And the winning side for a politician is always giving stuff away. Never worry about the extremely costly long term effects just grab the short term wins and gains. That's the lib/leftist/dem way!!--Tyr

[aboutime]

Who doesn't know that this union push is clearly a promotion of the Obama machine. Obama would love to see the workers unite and there be one big union for all. That's how socialism works and communism illustrates how it governs. Communists have only murdered tens of millions and that's documented with no denying it. Consider as well if this thing grows and becomes a nationwide issue how it will further divide the nation--which is another goal of the great Divider. Don't think he and his people aren't behind this, a very ripe play for the coming 2014 elections.. One in which his party--the ffing Dems can promise the moon to get votes. Create a wedge issue, promote it , be on the winning side of it ! And the winning side for a politician is always giving stuff away. Never worry about the extremely costly long term effects just grab the short term wins and gains. That's the lib/leftist/dem way!!--Tyr

Tyr. Seems like this Union idea, pushed by the Obama mindless-set, is exactly their intention to put large companies like Macdonalds OUT OF BUSINESS. Removing competition by demanding employees be paid like High Paying Union Jobs....GM for example. Is just what Socialism, and Communism Ordered.

[DragonStryk72]

Just wanted to reiterate that those jobs require no skill-- they train you on ever aspect of your job. This is great for a job market because it teaches skills-- like, i don't know, showing up for work on time and accomplishing menial tasks, which are valued skills, and when people make a career out of it that ties up that job for the next unskilled job market entrant and robs him/her the same opportunity.

It would be interesting if McDonald's did give them the option of taking a raise but, as a condition they must contractually agree that it is a career path position that expires in a year (or two) and you must either move up or move out to make room for the next batch of job entrants. Seems fair, no?

Yeah, it also teaches you the most basic part of working in a kitchen so that, should you want to go elsewhere in the food service industry, they do not have to teach you the basic sanitary practices, or how to clean down a grill. McDonald's is a great temporary job, or even a career if you're going to keep moving up to own your own franchise location, or work up the corporate line, but the basic crew positions aren't meant to be permanent.

[Larrymc]

I think this is another symptom of the 'entitlement' mentality. They think they are entitled to earn whatever they think is needed, no matter how unskilled the work.

I'm so damn sick of it.

Of course, they do not understand economics at all, and that a raising of the base line makes everything more expensive, so they end up exactly where they started in the end. Still piss poor working a crap job. I would so love to see a return to personal responsibility, where if people need a better paying job, they do what is needed to get there, be it hard work or more education, or whatever. Not only would a raise in the base line have no real effect in the long run in terms of how much extra cash they have, or how well they get by, it pushes out all those young kids looking for a summer job, or just getting started in the work force.

We have seen the same thing every time they have raised the minimum wage, they are all happy at first, then prices go up to match, as they HAVE TO, and they are no better off.The only real change is while minimum wage workers break even everyone else pays more,

[Marcus Aurelius]

We'll ahh, we'll just slip that between Home Economics and Study Experience class (the one where you learn how to 'study' in high school).

My sons school calls this Family and Consumer Sciences .:laugh:

[fj1200]

I think this is another symptom of the 'entitlement' mentality. They think they are entitled to earn whatever they think is needed, no matter how unskilled the work.

I'm so damn sick of it.

Of course, they do not understand economics at all, and that a raising of the base line makes everything more expensive, so they end up exactly where they started in the end. Still piss poor working a crap job. I would so love to see a return to personal responsibility, where if people need a better paying job, they do what is needed to get there, be it hard work or more education, or whatever. Not only would a raise in the base line have no real effect in the long run in terms of how much extra cash they have, or how well they get by, it pushes out all those young kids looking for a summer job, or just getting started in the work force.

We have seen the same thing every time they have raised the minimum wage, they are all happy at first, then prices go up to match, as they HAVE TO, and they are no better off.

I doubt that the minimum wage is going to lead to inflation, the economy will adjust to reflect increased production costs IMO. The more insidious effect I think is that it causes firms to move away from labor oriented jobs to capital oriented jobs. Instead of flipping burgers by hand they run the burger flipper robot. More machines, less people, same costs overall.

[Jeff]

Yeah. I know. I was trying not to remind myself about that stuff. As for the Blissfully Ignorant. Anyone...and I do mean ANYONE who ever thought working at a Fast Food Joint was a Career in Live...other than as a manager/owner. They deserve whatever they WON'T GET now, if they think a Union is gonna help them survive.

As for the Unemployment, and food stamps, and phones. ONE DAY...all of that HAS TO COME TO AN END. Then...what will they do? Look for a minimum wage job sweeping up popcorn at movie theaters?

it is coming to a end, I believe I posted the article about the phone are all but done now and all the rest will eventually run out of money as well, Obama will never be able to sell to the American people why those sitting home doing nothing should get while those working get nothing( I know it is happening ) but as the money runs out to pay for these freebies he will have to try and find it somewhere else and people arent going to stand for it

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

I doubt that the minimum wage is going to lead to inflation, the economy will adjust to reflect increased production costs IMO. The more insidious effect I think is that it causes firms to move away from labor oriented jobs to capital oriented jobs. Instead of flipping burgers by hand they run the burger flipper robot. More machines, less people, same costs overall. I think that's pretty much on the mark. Machines do not require health insurance, holiday pay, time off and leaves of absence for giving birth. They also do not strike, bitch , shirk their assigned duties and steal. Businesses are in it for profit not humanitarian goals. Those are called Charities and somebody really should explain the difference to the Dem party and their candidates. -Tyr

[Fusco]

http://im41.com/archives/37451


The most expensive part of that flimsy burger from your local fast food joint isn’t what you put in your mouth; it’s the human hands that put it together. But this robotic burger-maker that preps, grills, and assembles your Royale with Cheese—automatically—may soon replace human line cooks altogether while saving the fast food industry billions.

[Marcus Aurelius]

http://im41.com/archives/37451

Well, someone has to keep the machine stocked with supplies... do maintenance... clean... etc. I think you'd need just as many, if nto more people, to use one of these.